Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - WARNING! A CRASH IS COMING! Why Trumps Plan Will End Democracy

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

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Matt? No, you've never heard me say that. You've never heard me say that. I promise you. What do you think, the horrible thing that he's going to do during the next four years? I had a buddy of mine who was trying to convince me that I should be rooting for Trump. He's like, Trump's one of us. That's what he kept telling him. Trump's one of us.

I'm like, this was the first time? This was the first time. And that's what he was telling me. He's like, he's a bad guy. He's one of those guys that like goes against the system. And he goes, you're one of those guys that go against the system. He kept trying to, like, he would philosophize some. philosophize it, right?

And I couldn't argue with the logic of it, but I'm just like, I'm still opposed. I don't know. I go, yes, I'm probably going against my own values to despise Trump. But I'm doing that. If he'd run as a Democrat, you would

have been all for him. Probably. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I, I, my problem is I kind of herald the position of

presidency. And I just think it should be reserved for someone of good character, and I just don't think Trump has good character. Now, I'm not going to say I'm opposed to everything he's done. I'm, it like, what we were talking about earlier about the fact that he knows that the justice system is unfair. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, someone with that perspective at the top, I think, would be a good thing. But I don't know. I just, I just feel like the, I, our president should have good character, good moral character. Like Biden.

Like Biden. Biden has good moral character. Biden. You've got to be kidding me, really. What is wrong with Biden's character? You mean that you're talking about, what are we talking about? The millions of dollars that was laundered through his sons, he's selling paintings for hundreds of thousands of dollars, uh, that it's all going.

That's his son. Oh, stop, stop, stop, stop. What do you mean? Stop, stop. That's his son. What is his son? What is his son? What is his son?

I asked you about him. So your son is calling, your son, by the way. We're talking about his character, not his character. Right, because that money is all funneled back to Biden. Well, so killed. Or his son is using him as influence peddling, right? It's a son still. Right.

You've got to be kidding. No. So what about Trump's son? What about him? Which one's going, which one's in prison right now or should be in prison right now because his dad's going to, or same thing. Let me give you this example. Biden, um, pardoned his son. Okay. Clearly broke the law, right? He filled out that piece of, filled out the paperwork, said he

wasn't under the influence of drugs, got a weapon, absolutely smoking. Rock. The whole thing on camera, everything. Okay. I'm not going to pardon him. Not going to pardon him. What does he do? He pardons him. Now, wait a second. And that's fine. You have the right as a president to pardon whoever you want. That's how you feel it's your son. I get it. Absolutely. What about the other 16,000 people that are in prison right now for the same charge. They're not his son. So that's your justification? It's just his son.

They're not. He's got, he's got that, that is his privilege. I would say it, but, but I mean, I would say, okay, Matt has more than enough money to cover next month. Right. So there's a guy who needs 500 bucks. Matt could give him the 500 bucks, but it's Matt's money. you could

you could go to Wawa and there's seven homeless guys and you could take care of all of them and feed them. Why not? But right, but I'm not going to do it because it's my money, right? So on that same thing, it's his right as a president, one of the perks of this job, great bathroom, and I get to pardon anybody I want to. Why not pardon my son?

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how he graduated the head of his class? He graduated. And he plagiarized the speech. Plagiarized the speech, like everything. And they've just got them one after another

after another of him doing the same thing. So I think that if you had to say character, I certainly wouldn't say that Biden's character is any better than Trump's character.

I would. I would. I mean, You would, but I think that the record and the facts would show differently. Okay. So let me ask you this. Can you think of any flaws in Trump's character? I can, I don't, bro, I don't have enough paper and pen to write down all the flaws that are in his character.

Do you have enough? I don't think that there are enough paper and pen to write down all the flaws in every president that has ever been appointed. Or I'm sorry, every one election. All of them are flawed. you don't get to the top without having some flaws. But but not flagrant flaws. A flagrant flaw would be, well, would be cheating on your wife when she's pregnant.

That would be a flagrant flaw. And even if you were to come to that flaw, at least come and admit that you've cheated on your wife while you were pregnant. But once again, by your same argument, right, of you just saying, no, there's no, there's no. proof of this or there's no proof of right what's the proof that he cheated on his wife he said he didn't right he didn't so because he said he didn't he didn't so you don't think he slept with the porn star i'm saying we've got a porn star of upstanding moral uh moral values who says i'm going to say

because i met you one time i'm going to say you slept with me or you're going to pay me money So in the middle of an election, he says, fuck it, pay her off to get her to shut up because this is going to not, this is going to hurt me. Any man, true or not true, is going to make that payment. Well, I see, to me it's funny. But you're saying, no, no, she said it, so it's true. No, I'm saying that would you ever pay a porn star to say they didn't sleep with you?

I'm going to pay you to say you didn't sleep with. Well, to say that you. you didn't sleep with me. Like, why would I pay you to say you didn't sleep with me? Shut up. No, no, no. Hush money. That makes sense.

Unless, unless what? Like, like, I wouldn't pay someone to say they didn't sleep with me unless I slept with them. I wouldn't pay you to have someone. Yeah, I don't think you understand that. I would say, I would say, who cares if he slept with it? I agree with that. I would say that the job of president is this. But you're saying good moral character.

Right. But like the job of president is the CEO and manager of the country. Right. Trump, to me, is, if anything else, a good businessman. If anything else. I argue that. But go ahead. But I mean, so, but, you know, he's had bankruptcies or whatever that case, which is all a part of business.

Right. That's all a part of the influx of profit margin and things go up, things go down. Elon must never have a bank. Well, he's on a different brand. Elon Musk has threatened to have bankruptcy several times. Also, by the way, so Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos never had bankruptcy? I don't.

No, no, no. He's had the same exact bankruptcies that Trump has had. You know what he did? Trump personally has never had a bankruptcy. He can say I've never had a bankruptcy. He said it many, many times. And the news has actually come out and said, yes, personally he's never had one. Do you know how many companies Jeff Bezos has founded?

and started that have gone under? Yes. I watched a video of him. I believe he forced those companies to go under. I think he purchased them. I understand what you believe. What I'm saying is if you want, we can break out the video where he says he'll start,

and it's funny too when he does it. He'll name the type of the company that he, that Amazon put, you know, half a billion dollars into. And as soon as he says it, you're like, hey, what happened with that?

I do remember that. That was an app and this and guess what? And he said, like, we dumped all this money into it. We did it for three years. It tanked. And then he started, he'll name off like six of them. We did this, you know, 400,000 into this company, you know, went under. 300,000 in this one, went under.

Half a billion in this one, went under. All of those were bankrupt companies started by Jeff Bezos. But if he ran for president, the other side would say, you've claimed bankruptcy six times. No, I'm a businessman that has started several businesses that fail. That's what you do. Every businessman has companies that they've seen. started that failed. Right.

All right. I'll accept that. Let's just, I'll accept that. I'll accept that. So I mean, I think that what I think Trump,

you know, which in my, you know, you can decide good or bad, here's the thing. And it is true. It is that he's not even president yet. Everything bad,

people are already blaming on him. But he's also, and he's not even president. Hey, I saw a video of the other interview the other day, an interview the other day where He's sitting there, and they're like, well, what about this? He's like, okay, well, I'm not president.

Well, what about the economy of this? You said you're going to do this? He's like, I'm not president. I mean, the woman's blaming him. It's somebody, some chick from like CNN. And he's like, I'm not president. Yes, but you will be. He's like, yeah, but I'm not.

But here's the thing. Already, like all the tariffs and things that he's threatening to do, already these countries are ready to come to the table to renegotiate. And he's not president. The threat of him being president is enough. The threat of him saying, I will shut down the border. I will do this. I will do that.

I like all that. I don't want illegal immigrants walking across the border. It's coming. I think, you know, I think you come. Well, first of all, I think the economy is collapsing no matter what. I don't care who's in charge. We're in the middle. Yeah, we're in the middle of a bubble.

The real estate is, do you understand, it's more expensive to own? It is 30% more expensive right now to buy a house than it is to pay your rent. So the fact is, is that the bubble is huge right now. It's already slowly collapsing. I'm waiting for it to really bust. I think what it is, is it's a building that's coming down. And it doesn't matter if Trump's president or Kamala is president. It's a matter of how do we have this building come down in the best possible way?

Because it's coming down. Do we have a controlled explosion as it comes down so it doesn't take out all the other buildings? or do we let that fucker just fall over however it's going to fall? I think Trump brings it down in the best possible light so it doesn't take out all the other buildings. I think Kamalaite would have taken out four other buildings on the way down. I'm glad you feel that way. I mean, this is how I think.

I'm going to give you my opinion on Trump. I think because I'm not really either or those. I wouldn't have wanted to be in. This is how I feel about Trump. Trump is a breath of fresh air to me in that he's very opinion. He's called, you know, a fat bitch, a fat bitch. Like, sometimes, like, you have to respond that way. It's refreshing to me, like, his whole Rosie O'Donnell beef back in the day, like, I can look

at Donald Trump and say, I've seen him call a fat bitch a fat bitch or get angry at a bitch and call her out her name or something. He seems human to me. Right. He's very, what is that, conspiracy-oriented? So that means he's looking at things with a skeptical eye. I like that. Maybe he's a little too left wing with it.

But I like that he looks at everything with that skepticism because I also look at things with skepticism. Right. Here's the thing with me is that his first presidency, he's not polished. He's absolutely not polished. He's not a politician. He says things that come to his mind immediately. Right off the top of his presidency. probably some of them are stupid without a doubt not a lot of thought put it put into them

and i can think of numerous a numerous things that i thought like like when uh what was this name mccain had been shot down and was like uh they were like well mccain's a war hero and he's like well he got shot down and he was uh what he gets shot in a leg no he said he was he was in a hero because he got yeah but he's also a p ow for several years right and then he you know he was like, yeah, well, I like war heroes that weren't captured. Like, he made some crack offhanded crack like, okay, I get it. You said it and probably if you rethought it, you thought, well, that's probably shouldn't have said that.

That was a stupid thing to say. But me being someone who says stupid things all the time, I realize that sometimes you say it, you have a knee-jerk reaction and you say something stupid. The problem with him is, of course, another character flaw, is that he can't back off of it. He can't, because he's a narcissist, he can't then say, you know what, look, that was a dumb thing to say. He doesn't want to admit he's wrong. Narcissists don't want to admit they're long. The problem is most narcissists are also, end up being CEOs of companies. They're either

go to prison. Narcissists are great leaders. Right. But if you have a personal relationship with one, it's fucking horrible, right? Like it's a horrible, it's a horrible person to be married to or have the children have, typically it don't have great relationships with them. It's hard to have a personal relationship with them because it becomes all about them. But as far as being a leader, They're great leaders. You have to be a narcissistic. Some of the best leaders. Here's the thing, though, have you seen recently, and I watched, this was something Joe Rogan

had mentioned, that if you watch his more recent interviews, he's much more polished now. Like now he's not making those same mistakes, saying those same harsh things. He's not being quite as much of a kind of a jerk. He's not coming off quite as jerky because I think he learned in the first, well, the first his first term and throughout the second term how how they're twisting every single thing he says and he can't say something his answers are much much more polished now not perfect he's not Obama okay and I love Obama's not perfect no no I'm not saying he's perfect I said he's polished yes he was color I don't agree with with his politics and some of the things that he did

right but if you want to have a politician he he Bill Clinton Bill Clinton Great policy. You know, really good. Their answers were polished. They came off very authentic. They didn't come off crass. They didn't say stupid things. My favorite is the when Osama, I'm sorry, when, when, when, Iraq Obama, sorry,

no, but it's about Osama bin Laden. When Obama went up to the podium and announced that Osama bin Laden had been executed. And then, wait a way, though, that's compared, I've sent it to a couple times. It's also, I think he also went up to the podium and he did another one where some Al-Qaeda head of Al-Qaeda was shot and killed. Where Trump did that. No, no, but they compare it. Obama gets up and says, you know, Husseini Housada, Hussedah was, you know, was executed today through a drone strike. You know, the SEAL Team 6 came at.

He explains it very eloquently, like a general would explain it who's done it a thousand times. It was flawless the way he does it. You've seen this. I've sent this to you. And then Trump gets up. Then they compare when Trump goes in the same podium, walks up and announces that some Al-Qaeda person had been killed. He's like, we did it. No.

No, no, he goes, Dubaka, Ukeke, Kada, Obama was, we killed him. We got him. We executed him like a dog. You know, you think they come in the way, they came in the windows. you think they'd come in the door. They didn't. They came in the window. They killed him. It was horrible. He died like a dog in the street. I mean, you're going, oh my God, this is horrible. It's horrible. He can't pronounce the name. He can't, he can't explain what happened. He says, it sounds horrific. Obama makes it sounds like surgical precision. No one was, no one other than him was killed.

It was perfect execution. That type of stuff to me when Trump trips over that time. I like that. That's what I'm saying. I'm okay with that. I like him being, it's genuine. It gives more of a genuine. Even when he has those mess ups and he seems to me like everything, he's shooting more from the hip. Right.

And again, because he's so skeptical about stuff, he doesn't believe poop stinks. Like, I can kind of get behind it that a little bit. And I disagree with my dad. My dad just is a staunch non-Trump person. So we kind of got this rift. I don't think I'm a Trump person. I just would rather him over quite a few other politicians. One, because he's not a politician.

And there's that skepticism. And he's so crashed like that. Like he will just give it to you. It might not be the right thing to say. Right. He's saying it because it's how he feels. What about the, um, the, listen, I got to what about the Trudeau, the thing with Trudeau? and Canada.

About the border? Yeah, no, about the tariffs, where Trudeau said, look, you've got, you know, if you do this, it'll devastate our economy. He's like, well, wait a minute, if Canada can't survive as a country without ripping off the American public for $120 billion a year, he said, then we'll just make you a state. He goes, and you can be the governor. And that has, and that has, so he said that, and everybody laughed and joked around, and he goes, and then Trudeau goes, well, I think we'd be.

more of a left-leaning state so I don't know that would work out for he said no no it's okay we'll split it in half he said well because you know you break it up into the different districts you know this he goes and we'll make it make it reasonable so that it works for us and trudeau's like and everybody have you seen the firestorm that's listen they got all mr happy for or mr smiley or whatever his name is from a shark tank i forget his name but he's on cnn he's on all these shows because he's Canadian he's like listen 50% of Canadians are for this. Like, I mean, and Trump's now coming out saying,

listen, if they become a state, your taxes were dropped down by 60%, you would have no fucking, oh, Canadians are taxed like, you can't believe. They're socialists. Canada's a socialist country. It won't be. I think they said three months out of the year,

averages you pay taxes. No, that's more like America. It's more like it. It's like almost 50% that you pay in taxes in Canada. You have free health care, though. I like free. I like the idea of free health care, bro.

I like it. And you have free public transportation. I have like three friends up there that I can do that I want to go see when I get off my sentence. Get on the bus. Yes. Yeah, you just, but I mean, they shut up. What do you mean? Public transportation is there, there's no cost for public transfer.

They pay about 70% of their check goes to taxes. Yeah, it's outrageous. But all public. It's free. yeah and and so you get so so thousand bucks you're getting paid this week you get 300 yeah and and you understand that that there are parents there are families that are multiple families living in one dwelling because they can't afford there there there's a horrible there's a bunch of horrible things that are going on too well it's it's horrible there's no welfare so like if like public public workers

and stuff those that's welfare so you're like hey I can't find the job and I can't support myself Oh, no problem. You're going to live here and you're going to work here. Or they just don't, you don't have to work. I knew a guy, the guy that started our TikTok in Canada, we made a mistake. We started a TikTok. He was amazing. He ran it up to like 150,000 followers.

But he started it in Canada. Well, you can't get paid from a Canadian. If you open it in Canada, they don't allow you to get paid. So anyway, so, but he did it for about four or five months because he wasn't working. so he gets welfare to pay his rent or whatever during that time and then when he was he was a real estate agent so then suddenly the market picked up and people started selling homes and renting and stuff so he went back to work and he stopped getting paid like they have a system where and you think oh that's great well it's not great you're living off the most people are living off of the system the system up there is it's a failed system and what trump is saying is look we remove the border, let free enterprise. You'll be taxed the same way Americans are. And we'll, and then you have the protection of the United States. You can, we can, we can absorb your military. And then imagine how massive the United States would be at that point. So, you know, it would,

it would be beneficial to everyone. But it come, I think it probably came off maybe a joke as a joke, but it's turned, it's turned into something. And I think that a lot of the things that Trump says and wants to do, closing down the border, that it kills me. These guys are coming across the border. They're giving them. These people have $10,000, $10,000, $15,000 on their, on their, the little debit cards they're giving them. They're giving them free housing. And you've got veterans that are living in the street that they're turning benefits down, but you're giving billions of dollars to immigrants that are coming across the border. Like, you can come across. There's a legal way to come across. There's a legal way to come in here. Isn't that the people that's getting the benefits,

It's the one that come across legally? No. Illegally. If you walk across, they're giving you a debit card and housing. I don't understand. So what are they giving the legal ones? If you actually come legally?

Legally, I don't think you don't get nothing. You don't get nothing. So illegally, you get benefits, right? But if you come across and let them know that you're coming across and you're entitled to come across,

they're giving you nothing. You're talking about the wet foot, dry foot stuff. No, I'm talking about if you go, you go to the American, no, I'm saying you go to the American embassy,

and you say, hey, I want to immigrate to the United States. It's like a three-year waiting process where they review your application and why you should be allowed to come and what your reasoning is and that's all the whole thing. And then you get to come to the United States and then you get a green card and you're allowed to work. And then eventually after a couple of years, you go through, have to take a class and then you become a citizen. It's a hard, hard road to be a United States citizen. Or you can sneak across the border. They'll stop you.

They actually stop you. They register you. they give you a debit card or they tell you go talk to this guy go fill out this paperwork they give them a debit card and they let them go and you can go wherever you want you're registered even though these people like they have nothing like oh my name is you know juan pablo whatever and i don't really have a cell phone or anything i'm just getting here okay well contact us let us know but they're all undocumented at this point there's six or seven thousand i'm sorry six or seven million illegals that are in this country illegally that are undocumented they don't know where

they are when you come across we they fill out the paperwork you're so you're sorry you're supposed to stay in contact with us. The truth is you're not going to stay in contact with us. So they're all awaiting their eligibility to apply to be a citizen. But the truth is you're just going to come here and we're going to just work and send money back to Mexico and spend money and do whatever we want. Set people on fire, rape people, break into houses, whatever we want to do. Maybe pick oranges, but go ahead. Right. Pick a bunch of oranges, do whatever. And then eventually when it's my turn to apply and I don't apply and they can't find me and they put a warrant out for my arrest. Well, then you still have to check. You still have to catch me, which is what I had

expected the whole time. But maybe they stay in here for 10 or 15 years. And eventually someone like Trump comes along, hires a, puts this guy, what's his name, back in charge? And they now they're going to scoop them all up and throw them back into Mexico. As soon as Trump was elected, all of these caravans that were coming in from El Salvador and stuff, they stopped. They dispersed. They started going back because they realized they're going to close this fucking thing or we're not going to be able to get in. Well, who's getting the debit cards? The ones that are illegally coming in.

The ones that disappear and they don't report. Yes. Well, that's a way to track them. The debit card would be a way to... Seven million. Has the government ever done anything efficiently? Other than when you get off the plane in Oklahoma, other than getting off the plane in Oklahoma,

when you walk through that thing and they take the handcuffs off you and give you a bologna sandwich and stick you in that room. I've never, other than the prison system, I really haven't never seen them do anything really efficiently. You call that Oklahoma efficient? Bro, when you got off the plane and they marched us all down there and those guys took those handcuffs off,

I never had handcuffs taken off so fast. Oh, yeah, they do do that pretty quickly. Those guys were amazing. It was like they weren't even on. It was like they just yanked them right off. Here's your sandwich. Stand over there. It was like, what this happened?

But then they put us in this big ass fucking room. And then waited for four hours. It was like, this is, it broke down when I entered the road. Oh, yeah. Okay. But the removing of the handcuffs was efficient. Yeah, that was good. All right, no problem.

So, yeah, I mean, I think, like, you know, would I like it if Trump was more polished? Yeah, I would like it if he was more polished. I would like it if he didn't say a bunch of stupid things, you know, and make, say, you know, make mean tweets and say some horrible things. I would like that. But that's not to me. That's not, I'm not going to say. Trump's on Twitter more than me. Yeah, but I'm not going to say you can't run the country.

You know what I'm saying? And the other thing is, you know what bothers me? This is what kills me. Oh, I should mention this. This is good. You're going to love this. Of course not. Oh, my goodness.

So I have a, I'm not to say girl. I shouldn't say girl, right? You can't say girls. It's a woman. I have a woman. She's so little. She's so tiny. I can't even say woman.

She's like five foot two. So I have a Because of her age, wouldn't it? But go ahead. She's tiny. So her name is Brittany. And Brittany help me start my first website. Brittany always helps me come in.

Brittany's black, by the way. So Brittany always comes over and she'll help me build a website or help me. Anything I can't figure out, she'll figure out. Like, hey, I want to do this. I know we can do this. She's, oh, yeah, you can go on this site. We can do this. We do that.

Whatever. And I pay her. And she helped me when I wasn't able to, there was nobody helping me. This was when I was going to when I was in the halfway house. She helped me build a gym, helped me put up my first book, helped me all made a deal with her. You get 10% of the royalties, that kind of stuff. So she's always kind of been helping me. When Trump was elected, she told me she was terrified. And I went, why? And she goes, well, not so much for me, but for my brothers. And I went, why? And she goes, well, because they're black men. And I went,

what do you think's going to happen, Brittany? Brittany genuinely felt that the law enforcement was going to be rounding up black men and throwing them in jail and that they were going to be brutalizing, more so than they already do. They were going to be brutalizing them, that they were going,

like she really thought that it was going to be like open season on blacks, which is what, 13, 14% of the population, so half that is male, so what, 7% of the population? we're going to be incarcerated. Luckily the white men. Luckily, white females wouldn't allow that to happen.

The black population in the United States is around 13, 14% of the whole population. Black men are probably about seven or eight. But luckily white females won't allow that to happen. But go ahead. So she believed. And I remember being like, what, like talking to her and she was so adamant and concerned about it. Now, of course, Trump became president that didn't happen.

In fact, he signed some, he signed some laws into some, he signed some, he signed some policies and some laws in that actually let people go. I know lots of guys that got out a year early, two years early. I'm glad you attribute Trump to that. But go ahead. Oh, he signed it. That was Obama's thing with Coke. No. That was Pelosi and what's his name from New Jersey? Right. It was a policy. I'm sorry, it was a bill that had been circulating for about 12 years. And no. And guess who had been, guess what we had had Democratic,

presidents the whole time. Obama didn't sign it. They couldn't get it passed. Trump signed it. They couldn't get it passed. But go ahead. I'm glad you attribute that to Trump. I'm not taking anybody who looks into it would. Yes, he signed it. Right, he signed it. So he signed it. It went in and lots of people got let out. He pardoned a lot of people, right? So not nearly as many as Biden, of course. Or Obama. Or Obama. No, I'm a pardon. Right. So, um, Anyway, so we, so you moving forward, Trump goes, is president. The economy's booming. Everything's great.

He says stupid things every once in a while, whatever. But in my opinion, he was a good president. He does make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. You can't like everybody's policy. So he does fine. He ends up getting, you know, he ends up getting beat. Biden comes in.

Because of COVID. You think he got beat because of COVID? Yeah. Even he admits that. He said if the COVID thing hadn't happened. I don't think that I don't think I think I think Trump was just so brash I yeah I think he just wanted a change I think that the media had has always been against him yeah and I also think that he he made some mistakes he said some stupid things you know he he said some things like

he he made himself a target he made it not that he wasn't a target anyway people were just so ready for a change from him because there's just so much um but anyway so he he loses and the fact that he wouldn't admit that he lost bothers me, okay? I mean, whether you say, and I think that there were issues, I think there were issues in the, in the election, I think there were, but either way. In January 6th was peaceful touring of the Capitol. Right. But now you're going to tell me that there were like 10 fucking people killed during that whole thing, too. I'm just saying it was a peaceful touring of the Capitol. It was by the FBI. But the point is, is that I think he lost and he should have admitted he lost.

Either way, lost whether it was correct or not, whether the, there were the correct amount were whether there was the the vote was patted or it was fraud or it was whatever you lost so well i think that was the thing losing doesn't losing doesn't fit well with narcissism no no but so here's the thing four years go by and brittany and i are talking and she was saying do you think uh do you think it's good that Trump is had he was concerned I don't think he had been elected yet

he was about to I said oh I think he's going to win she was what do you think I said I think he's going to win I think he's going to win she was really I said yeah she says that makes me nervous and I said why and she said well you know it's just being you know being black and she goes on and on it and she's like so it worries me she's on I'm really feel like I'm kind of middle of the road between the two parties and even though I've never heard or say anything other than the standard rhetoric from the left. Regardless, here's what she said.

She's concerned because it's so hard being black and that she knows. And I said, well, you know, I had mentioned, I said, I want taxes to go down. I think we're taxed too much. I think that's like I wouldn't mind being taxed even more if we could get free health care or something like that. But everybody, of course, they're not in the comments. People are going to scream, oh, free health care is horrible, blah, blah, blah, yeah, I understand, but I'm pretty healthy.

So I'd like to go to the doctor for free. I'm not really worried about, you know, these catastrophic things. because if they happen, then whatever, I'm probably done anyway. The point is, is that, so as we're talking, I mentioned taxes, and she said, well, yeah, sure, for you. And I was like, what do you mean? And she said, well, I mean, you're already taxed less. And I went, what do you mean? She said, well, I go, what do you mean?

What do you mean that everybody's tax the same? She said, no, she said, she's blacks are taxed higher. And I went, what? And I, and she goes, yeah, we're taxed at a higher tax. bracket. And I went, do you believe that? And she goes, yeah. And I went, you think that if a white man makes 100,000, a black man makes 100,000, a white man pays in 25% of his, of his wages to taxes, you think that a black person is paid in more? And she said, yeah, I can show you my mom's W2. I can show you my, you can call my mom. I said, no, no, I'm not going to call your mom, because

your mom is obviously a person, one of the people that have told you this. They have you believing this, just like you thought they were going to round up your brothers and throw them in prison. This is obviously something that's going around in your circle. Do you really believe that constitutionally, it's acceptable that blacks are charged? You're like, is there a black tax? She's like, no, but they, oh, she will look, well, I don't know, but they, you're, as a black person, you're tax at a higher bracket.

I said, you've got to be, you don't really believe that. I said, I feel like you need to look into that. You really need to look at it. Blacks have a different perception of stuff that I think is kind of warranted. They're actually tax less because depending on your income, you know, they've got the earned income credit and everything. That's started by Ronald Reagan. So she's probably a little bit, that's all perception that she's been sold. So you think that if you make $100,000 and I make $100,000, both of us are W-2.

We both have the same. We pay the same tax. We pay the same. I think, I don't think it's differentiations. by your color. You know what I'm saying? I just think with everyone, but that's like one of those myths

they go around. But there's tons of those myths. That one's a little bit more on both sides. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that. But it's the perception. Like, that's our perception of things and stuff. And if you hopped in a car and drove, you know,

whatever, your tail lights out, your perception of your tail light out is a different thing than if a black guy, I hop in the car and my tail lights out. right that's the only thing on my mind i've never been the only thing on my mind is getting that tail like you heard what he said he's never been never been searched and listen i drive like a fucking maniac i've pulled i've been pulled over i told you when i was on the run i got so many tickets as a guy i'd stolen his identity i got so many tickets i had to go to traffic

school as him because he was going to lose his license and when i get pulled over like i'm never concerned i'm going to get like it doesn't even enter my mind they're going to say step out of the vehicle we want to bring the dog because you're Caucasian but he doesn't believe he doesn't believe he doesn't believe the tiny girl that uh black people got to get wrong it's the perception it's the perception i don't think like a president um or like a leader of the country can can change the what is it the perception that like law enforcement has of blacks no like do you think like yeah like a leader can shift that

because it's been I think because it's been I don't want to say that it's been proven like if I'm if I'm an officer Max just it absolutely

the perception of white people to the police as a perception of black people the police has absolutely been proven it was so I can go extreme in both ways

it was it was extreme enough that Roger Godell when George Floyd was killed, immediately got on there and said, you know what? Black people do get treated differently by the police because, like, that's how extreme it is that he saw that. But it's just a natural reaction because when I was a teenager, I was out with a white girl,

which is hard to believe. No, I'm just kidding. And I was living in a very nice apartment called Lookout Point. and when I pulled in, the police pulled up and was, hey, boy, do you live here, blah, blah, blah. And the white girl I was with, her name was Christian, was going bananas, right? So they've already got me in cuffs,

and she's screaming, oh, y'all are doing that because he's black, blah, blah, blah. So the cop looks at me and goes, it looks like you understand what's going on. I'm going to give you a few minutes to kind of explain it to her. Wow. And, like, that was my cue to say, bitch, if you don't calm down, they're going to kill me.

You're going to be a shot for an hour. You have every right to be upset, but I'm going to be on your time. My life is in your hands. I have a question. What do you think is going to be so horrible about Trump being president? For me or for everyone? For you, well, I can say first, what always kills me is that prior to the... Prior to him, the election, about a couple weeks beforehand, I noticed all the rhetoric from

the left was, this is an absolute threat to democracy. If he wins, we may never have another election. I fear that. Okay. So after the election, you know what they were talking about? We need to regroup so that during the next election, we can win and learn what we did wrong. That's true.

What next election? You spent weeks beforehand saying there will be no more elections. True. So what makes you think that you should even try? There's not going to be one. Like they were saying anything they had to say to get Kamala in there. And in the moment it flipped, like that's how stupid the American public are. We can lie to you right up to the day of the election and the day after the election.

We can say, okay, next year. What do you mean? Or next election. Yesterday you said there will never be another. election if he's elected. He was an absolute threat to democracy. So I'm wondering, so what do you think the horrible thing that he's going to do during the next four years is? I think the, like you said, I think the economy is going to crash. It's crashing anyway. You don't think it's going to crash anyway? I didn't. I didn't think it was going to crash anyway, but I think it

absolutely is with the, with the tariffs. For me, the benefit for Trump for me is, he handled one of my biggest addictions. I no longer watched the news. I was absolutely addicted to the news. I spent every waking hour with the news on my TV. I no longer watch the news, period. Because I'm just like, okay, I'm done. Like, I don't even want to hear

because as you say, there's so many facts and lies, it's hard to differentiate. And they did say that. And now they're like, we're going to regroup in four years from now because I guess that's the hope that they're looking forward to. And we hope that there's an election four years from now.

I just I just hope TikTok isn't banned. TikTok is the only thing that matters to me. Isn't it the 20th that's supposed to go down? I mean, is it the 20th? That's the same day easily. Well, here's what the problem is is that, is that Trump is a fan of TikTok. Yes. So there's a chance that that, first of all, it doesn't have to go down at all.

Okay. And TikTok's big everywhere. So we're not, I don't even know how they ban it. How do they keep us from logging into it? Oh, yeah, they can, yeah, they can shut it down that if you're coming from them, they'll, they'll know what your IP addresses in the United States IP addresses, just like the guy that started it in Canada, that they immediately knew. Oh, no, that's a Canadian IP address.

Yeah, like we can't get paid on that account because it was created in Tampa or in Canada. Oh, wow. So what I think, here's the whole thing. It doesn't have to be shut down. The Chinese just have to. to release their, their, um, uh, their controlling or their interest in it. Like, they can just sell it to an American company or any other company, a European anybody, like they can figure out how to keep it up.

And they claim that it's, it's doing something with data. Like, what data are they pulling? Their fear is that they're, they're gathering data on Americans and using it to their advantage. You know, like, like, is that true or not? I don't know, but I haven't seen the data. So I'm not in Congress. I haven't, I haven't been a part of these committees. I don't know what it is.

But it's enough that they got a bill to pass, right or wrong, whatever. So one, we hope that it stays open. And I also hope that all the politics and all the interest in politics dies down over the next few months because our last two months, it's crushed us. Yeah, it's a big reason why we're doing this topic now. Because when the election happened, all the stuff that was people were watching on YouTube were just election focused. It's all election. So like our interviews, they didn't perform as well.

because even me, who's someone who, like, very rarely cares or anything about politics, I was listening to political videos just to see what people had to say. Right. Even I was. I'm consuming politics, like, all the time. And I'm, and it's like. That's all I consume. Right.

So it's, and I've cut back. Right. And that's all I consume. So if somebody was going 50-50 watching podcasts and then political podcasts and then maybe true crime or something else, now it shifted to 100% politics. So our numbers, we had videos we put out that should have gotten 100,000. and 200,000 views, you know, they got 50, 40. Wow.

I mean, it was the same thing with this week right now, like the holidays, like this last week was a pretty low week just because most people just aren't on their phones. You know, they're traveling Christmas. It's like you're not reaching the full potential. So that's kind of where like what is the buzz going to be around January 20th? Like are people going to be clicking on political videos? Like that's why this video right now, it will be titled like Trump. Trump's America or something like that.

You know what I mean? Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, wow, that's kind of impressive. I didn't even know that. But listen, Christmas Day? Our lowest day, maybe of the year. Yeah, of the year. Yeah.

All these people with their families. Disgusting. At least put on one of our videos like in the background. Yeah, well, last year we had Christmas or holidays in prison. We didn't have that episode this year. Yeah, we had a holiday. I was thinking about that the other week. I'm like, how can we didn't do, you can't redo holiday in prison, I guess.

What was that? We just talked about, yeah, we talked about what it's like to be in prison during Christmas. Christmas meals, Christmas, you didn't. Oh, Christmas bags, you know, and I talked to, and I taught state, so I talked to several Christmas. Did they give you Christmas bags? Yeah. Really? Yep.

I always feel like the state wouldn't do that. Yeah, yeah, we had. What was normally in them? Listen, the people I talked to in jail said they were, they were small. We got Salvation Army kind of, this little Salvation Army package, socks. Oh, shampoos, I remember. We got shampoo conditioner, socks. They got, like, decent.

Like, we got, like, some potato chips and some cookie. No, chips. It wasn't, it wasn't food? Oh, yeah, yeah, because, you know, they were selling it. Yeah. You know, the guys were selling their package. Yes, they buy the bag. Exotics.

So this year, the Christmas bags, I'm not certain what happened because I talked to multiple people from multiple prisons, but unfortunately, I don't know what they did for sealing them, but they had them sealed with tape. So everyone assumed that they went in the bag and took some stuff out. The rhetoric behind it had me laughing. Everyone was complaining, they didn't give us shit. This is the smallest bag I've ever seen. They said that every year.

This is worse than last year. They said the bags actually fit inside the slot. They can slide it to them in the slot and the door. That's how those bags were never that small. No, no. Oh, listen, the first year I got there, it came in a big thing. It was huge. And it was, it was huge.

It was matte in the back. It came up to about your thigh. If you sat on the floor, it came up to about your thigh. You know, Reese. Food chips. Oh, God, bro, everything. I mean, they'd give you shower slides. They'd give you, like, stuff, you know, you know, a t-shirts, sour slides.

And, of course, tons of food, tons of, you know, snacks, chips, you know, sausages, you know, all kinds. And it was stuff that you couldn't get on commissary. So it was exotic. You know, Reese, the first, when I got there, the first time I got there was the first year they gave you one bag, which I was thrilled at. Everybody was complaining because the year before they'd given us, giving them two bags that size. So they all got two bags. And by the way, they used to go when you would go into, they would tell them bring your Tupperware, because you could buy Tupperware. bring your Tupperware when they went to the Christmas dinner

or Christmas or sorry the holiday meal they would have them they would give them food and then they would give them extra food to put their Tupperware and then they would go back to the unit with the food Wow that didn't happen when I got there but now that was happening It's been downward for feds. It's been downward trend

I'm telling you they were all going off One guy told me that he ate the whole bag on the way back from picking I thought that was That's the trend of all jails, all prisons Like they're trimming down, trimming down When I first first started doing my time Like the commissary limits were different

The items were different Bags were bigger cheaper soups were You could get five for a buck Now it's a dollar Per soup which is hard to believe That's insane A dollar of soup $30 for 30 soups

You should be able to get three soups for a dollar. Yep. When we first started, yeah, it was four. You get like two soups a dollar from the fucking store,

man. Have any of you guys been locked up with anybody who's like been in international prisons that are like way better in the States? I have.

The private prisons, he said? No, no. It's like international. Like someone in Norway. I have. Oh,

yeah. I've met people. Every person that I've run across, they're like, oh, this is a hotel. Yeah, I was going to say, most of them, though, most of the ones

I've been to are the prisons in the other countries are horrible or are like you have no idea now i've also met guys that have been in like spain yes and like in spain they actually have you actually get country globe yeah well and you get like like alcohol i want to say and i could be wrong somebody in prison right in prison there actually you get so much alcohol like a day like you get like a thing like boom a day you get bread you get medically i don't know why but it was maybe i don't know if it's wine or some kind of alcohol it was like there's there was all kinds of things you could have your watch you could have like these guys had all kinds of stuff it was like well in like mexico

prison is you're just behind the wall you can have everything shipped in like people's family can bring you in food alcohol whatever and if you have money yes you can have your own cell you can have all kinds of but if you don't have money yeah you're living you're you're yeah you're living in like buildings like there's there's no cells where walk through. You're just behind that wall. So it's like our own. Yeah, y'all figure it out. You can sleep wherever and whatever and y'all figure it out. Y'all police yourselves. Let us know if anybody's dead. We'll come get the body. So what else do you think? What else are you? What is your other concerned other than the economy with Trump? Our foreign affairs, I think some reason Trump's

attached to Putin. I think somehow Putin controls him. I just, that's what I believe. What do you want me to say? Okay. So other than that, other than, other than that. And what's his name from South Korea, North Korea? Kim. Kim Jong-un.

Yes. And somehow I think they, they have control and influence over him. And I think some of our secrets he'd be giving to them. So I just, I don't know. I mean, that's how I believe. I think the exact opposite. Yeah, I was going to say, do you have so patriotic. He's so American.

centric to me. I think he's concerned about you don't think he praises Putin? I think he respects him. Yeah, I think, and I can see that. I can see him, but then again, I can see praising someone, but drawing a hard line. I think he respects him. I don't

see a hard line. I don't see a hard line. He's a powerful alpha male. I just, and I think there's that respect there because he's this leader of this country. I also am a leader of a country in that narcissistic type of thing yeah so i think that there's that respect i don't believe i don't believe it's respect as a a human

being as a narcissist as a male i think i think somewhere in some line he's subservant i really i don't think they're equal but i really believe trump thinks he's beneath him and that but what way do you see that well because he praises he praises putin and putin doesn't praise him he just putin kind of like i would prefer to have him You know, and we work better together. But I think it's more Putin's, the style of their government and the style of what they do, that he's not going to openly, you know, praise him like that.

But I think because they're always together, they always interact. I do think that there's this mutual. So when our intelligence was telling him that it was Russia that was spying and he said, well, I don't see no reason why it would be. And then he kind of came back and said, well, you know, It's just like, I don't believe our intelligence agencies over Putin. I think Putin would not lie to me. You know what I'm saying?

That fits in with the type of person that Trump is very skeptical. Well, that, when they say, and he's like, but this is a good guy. You know, you don't just because it's Russia, mother, Russia, or, you know. And you don't. And see, that's the fear I have of Putin. Putin is the kind of guy that I'm not going to kill you, somebody else is. And I like that. I think that Trump's going to go in there.

And I think he's going to negotiate some kind of an agreement like, hey, you guys need to cut the wars. Well, I think he's going to give Ukraine to Putin. I don't think he's going to give all of Ukraine. But I think he's going to keep a portion. I think that's all he wants is a portion. I think you wanted the whole thing. I think he'd have taken the whole thing. They drove all the way into Kiev.

Well, they've been fighting all the way into Kiev. Right. Well, like the first day, he went straight for Kiev. So he was going to take the whole country. Only because he wanted like, hey, look, I'm going to take what I want. You're going to sit down. And he's like, no. As of right now, he hasn't got it.

The United States just dumping tons of money into this war. Like, that kills me. Like, we're going to give all this money to you guys to fight this war. To me, I think that's just stupid. I'd rather just, we'll just send the United States. Well, then we'll be at war with Russia. Well, then we're at war with Russia. I don't have a fucking problem with that.

Did you think Trump's going to go to war with Russia? No, I don't because I think Trump is like, look, we have our own problems. We have an economy that's failing. We need to go. You guys need to fix this and you have to fix it because we're going to cut the money off. So you guys will draw this line. And if you draw that line, we'll make sure it's maintained. So if you pass the line, we're just going to send America troops in.

And then it's going to be so bad because the truth is, is that North Carolina and South Carolina's National Guard to take out fucking the Soviet or could take out. And a Soviet army is garbage. It's horrible. I'm glad that got exposed. Right. And if it had been us, he'd be. No, it's garbage. It's horrible.

Probably China's army. China's the second. China's arms. So, you know, I think that that I think he's going to fix that. I don't think that's fixing. So invading another country is not. The optimal, so the optimal solution is Russia withdrawals back into Russia. Ukraine gets Ukraine.

And Russia pays them some kind of. some kind of reparations. That's the optimal solution. That's not happening. So the other option is we stop the fighting because we're not sending you any more money because we should be paying with all that money. We could have health care. Like what are we doing? Like we're not getting more money. We're definitely not getting health. We're not getting health care. I know that. That bothers me. But I'm saying why are we going to send all of this money here? And look, I think Russia's wrong. You don't get to invade other countries. But he has invaded. Like there's never any perfect solution. So the, well, I mean, let's say the best solution that probably,

the best result that ever probably occurred ever was World War II. Everybody got together and fought Hitler all the way back to extinction. And then we split their country up. That sounds fair to me. That sounds fair. Well, yeah, but know we're our own country. Fuck you. You guys keep starting wars. Go fuck yourself. We're splitting your country up. That's the optimal. optimal solution. The problem is... Well, that had happened to the Soviet Union. And that's what Putin is trying to undo. No, no, that didn't happen. These countries broke off and they allowed them to break off. And they started their own... That was Parastrika. They allowed these countries to become... First of all, Soviet Union gobbled these countries up. Correct. And then

finally, when the Soviet Union collapsed, they broke off and become their own countries again. Putin's trying to rebuild the Russian Empire. The USSR, yeah. Not the Russian. Not the not the SSR, he's trying to the former, the Russian empire, which is prior to the Soviet Union. He's trying to take back the gyms of Europe.

He doesn't want the, he doesn't want like, um, Kiev, Tajikistan as some country that's, that's fucking bankrupt and he's not interesting. He wants the jewels. There's, there's oil.

Well, and there's a nuclear, a nuclear plant. Right. He wants, that's what I want, these are the things that I want. That I can explain. and hold everybody's in the world's nuts because I got their power, their oil. The problem is that the other European countries aren't holding their weight. So it's like all of us get together.

Well, they don't have the resources. They do have the resources. We don't have the resources. You have any idea what the national debt is? It's fucking outrageous. It's blowing up. But our money is getting worth less and less every single day. But our, like, commercial value.

Yes. Thank you. Our commercial of what we buy and purchase is more, it's like by us being in debt is what's fueling the rest of the world. By us being the one to go, hey, we'll just make money out of nothing. And that's the premise of the United States. Debt generates income. Yes.

So even in. That's what we're living in. Even in our recessive, recessive times, the income, the commercial beast that the United States is, we will never go belly up. There are so many different countries that are tied financially to us. All of that is what's causing inflation. You're just limiting money. Right.

But the debt generates the income. Like we could the United States as a commercial entity. These other countries are the ones who are buying up our debt. It's all inflated. You can't just print money. Are we doing that? We're printing money. Yeah, you're just printing money.

That's what I'm saying. You can't just do it. No, because of it. Actually, it collapses. You'll have hyperinflation at some point. The only, look, and we don't produce anything. We're not producing anything. We're doing oil now.

That's not, we're producing, we're pumping it out of the ground. That's, you think oil's enough to sustain the entire United States? No. We don't manufacture anything, is what I'm saying. So what I'm saying, you know, you're right, is we manufacture food. You're right. So we're not going to go, well, we may go hungry, but we're not going hungry right now. But the point is, is like, you put in these tariffs.

to other countries and you say, hey, guess what? In China, we're putting in tariffs and you can build those cars in the United States and sell in the United States, or you ship them over here, then you have to pay higher prices. So what happens, or tariffs, so what happens is manufacturers here start building

because now, guess what, there's, it's not worth it to buy from the Chinese. So you start your own manufacturing and you become a manufacturing hub. We were the manufacturing hub in the 50s, 60s, 70s, you know, in the 80s. Until they figured out how they make it cheaper. Yeah, they're paying employees in India a buck an hour. We just saw it on the video.

Right. And what I'm saying is you put tariffs on. Look, it's going to hurt the other countries more than, it's going to initially hurt us. But once a manufacturing props up, you'll be, you'll have, you'll have workers again that are making 50 bucks an hour, $60 an hour. Like these guys that work in these factories now don't make that. They can't make that. I guess I've, I think the union. Okay, you're right.

So the 12,000 workers that work now. I'm talking about the 400,000 workers that all those jobs went over or the million workers that went to China. And that those jobs wouldn't be able to afford bringing those jobs here. Because the, the, what the cost of running a huge Nike factory over there has to be minuscule. Do you have any idea how much? But so Matt's thinking the tariff.

You're right. They're making them over there for $4.50. But you want to shave down profit margins for patriotism. For patriotism, yes. Patriotism. I want to have jobs in America. I think you worry about jobs. You worry about Americans.

But your heart and the financial prowess of this country is two different things. Like if I'm a business owner and I'm as American as the next and I love this country and it's opportunities. But if I had a business, if I'm starting a business, I'm, I'm already thinking about India. Right, right. Africa. Right.

You're like wherever the labor's cheap. Right. So, well, you put tariffs on those. Right. And so the person who's buying it just pays a tariff. So you're saying, look, I make, I manufactured this shoe. Two things happen. It cost me $2 to manufacture it.

And then I sell it in America for $10. I make an $8 profit, right? And you're going, well, I don't put a tariff on that of $10. Okay, so now I sell it for $20 and make an $8 profit. So two things. Two things happen. One, the fact that those shoes aren't made here. Right.

Or because it's two is because they sell them, they make them cheaper over there. But now there's a tariff. So now we can make them there. We can make them here now for the same price. So they lose those jobs and we get those jobs. It takes a little bit to build up the manufacturing, but we get those jobs. Why would you put those restrictions? And also, by the way, by the, by the, he say, he's saying now they can make it here.

I'm saying it because we get to hire American workers to do it. it. And I'm saying that, that one, those companies that are buying from China, those tariffs, by the way, those tariffs don't, don't, those tariffs that people are paying, if they say, no, fuck that, we're going to keep those jobs in China and we're going to, and we'll just pass those tariffs on, those fees onto the American public. Well, the government gets that money. So that helps. The two, we also, if they keep them there, you probably, maybe you don't buy those products there anymore. And three, or maybe they say, you know what, let's go ahead and manufacture it here, and we won't have as much of a profit margin here. Because people aren't

going to spend that extra money. They're not going to spend $200 for a pair of Nikes when they were buying them from China for, don't get with the, if you want to break out the actual, the actual dollar amount of $500 or $1,000 or whatever, we can do that. But in the end, if you double the prices, the demand goes down. So people don't buy as many. That's just the facts. So what did I do to the economy? what does it do to the economy so we're going to do the tariffs it's going to double the prices the demand goes down what does that do to the economy well if if to make those if it was a hundred thousand employees in china selling 100,000 shoes and they put tariffs on them and we said you know what we're going to do

we're going to go ahead and manufacture those here okay and we're going to double the price and so what does it do let's say it cuts the demand in half we still got we still got 50,000 new jobs in America that's what it did is the demand less yes but we got 50,000 we didn't have 50,000 there that transition is a process right maybe it's six months maybe it's year but in a year guess what what how long do you think it takes to set up a in the mean all right so I want to talk about in the meantime so let's just say a year in the meantime what does that that do to the economy? And so for six months, I don't get new Nike. Oh my God. I don't get a new iPhone that they're making for $30 and selling for a thousand. What is the percentage you think

foreign made goods or parts in goods? Tons. But he's not talking about putting tariffs on everybody. Just talking about China. He's threatening China. He's threatening Canada. He's threatening. He hasn't put tariffs on anybody. He's not even president. He's threatened. He's threatening. He's And just by the threat alone and knowing he's crazy enough to do it, you know what happens? They go, whoa, wait, wait, man, let's talk about this. Let's renegotiate NAFTA. Let's renegotiate these types of deals that weren't exactly fair. But what's the renegotiation?

The end goal is more jobs in America and less jobs overseas. So what would be- The end goal is more jobs in America. I don't care about overseas. All right. So more jobs in America, less jobs overseas. So the negotiation would be higher prices. Temporarily.

Okay. Prices. Temporary. Period. It costs more to manufacture. Let's assume that these companies, do you know how much profit do you think is on an iPhone? I mean, in what aspect?

80% of the cost of the phone, just the equipment? How much what their price point is? Do they make, do they make, if an, if an iPhone, iPhone cost $800, do they charge $1,000? I think they profit 80%. Yeah, I think they profit like $800, $900. It's a 100% profit.

So if the iPhone costs them, by the time they ship it over here, they build it, they ship it over here. And it's 400, 500 box. You know what they sell it for? A thousand. They double it. It's called business. Yeah, I understand. But you know what else is business is that if you want to make money on volume,

instead of just jacking your prices up, then you don't make 100% profit. Like most companies don't. Most companies, like, do you know what's a better phone than an iPhone? Most of them. Yeah. But they don't have 100% profit. So you know what iPhone would do is they drop their profit a little bit.

You drop your profit a little bit. And let's say you say, oh, you don't. Okay, well, then guess what? Then let's say you sell 50% less iPhones. I'm okay with 50% off. I've still got mine. I don't buy a new one every year. This is a fucking, what is it?

Like a, no, this is, no, it's not even, it's like a 12 or something. No, that's a 13. Is it? Yes. What are they at now? 16. Yeah, I don't have a 16. This thing's great.

Yeah, I have an 11 and a 13. This thing's great. I think I have 11. I think I have the same phone as you're. So it sounds to me. And you get 50,000 more jobs. But what, what you're saying is starting to become less American. It's more you, I think, I think, you're concerned.

But you're putting restrictions on me as a business. what if I want to take my business and take it over there take it over there but when you build a manufacturer if you build the manufacturing over there and you don't hire you're telling me you think it's American to hire Chinese to build to sell to American it's capitalism it's capital I think I think I can do that you can do that because it's my business you could do that we're just going to put tariffs on it okay so so and what I'm saying

and that's fine so what I'm saying is more jobs means that people more jobs in America mean that more Americans have money to buy things in America, manufactured by Americans. That's what it means. So I don't see how that's un-American. I'm going to learn about having Americans have jobs. You're saying more manufacturing jobs. More manufacturing. Because we're at a record unemployment right now. We're at a low. We're at a low- The economy was doing great. You just told me the economy is great. As I said, we're at a record unemployment. The economy is stable. No, our unemployment is low.

It's going up. Oh, it's, it's, listen, prices, when the housing, when the housing bubble collapsed. So you're saying more manufacturing jobs is what you're saying. Yes. Not necessarily more jobs, just more manufacturing jobs. That's what you're saying. I'm saying more jobs in general.

I think more manufacturing jobs produces more jobs pretty much everywhere. Well, true. But if you're at a record unemployment right now, you know what I'm saying if you had a low unemployment right now we're also just printing money correct that's not that's not I don't understand that you don't understand you can't just keep printing money you just can't I understand that's that's what happened that's what happened in you know after World War one uh in Germany I mean that's practically what started the the second World War is that they just got to a point where they couldn't they weren't

able to pay their bill so they just started printing money and it was worked great for a while and then eventually the money that the hyperinflation the money became worth nothing they're not america so i mean we we operated different we've been we've been operating we've been doing this since the inception of the no no no no because before we had gold we had gold in fort knox oh yeah the gold we were on the gold standard and yeah and nixon that's the 70s Which was fucking stupid, but whatever. I mean, it's, it's the kind of to go off of, and then they just sold the gold, by the way, but it's to kind of go off of the fact that we are the heartbeat that fuels the, the pumps the blood of economy through the entire world, or a majority of the world. Right.

You know, and other countries operate, like, even states don't have that, they have to make and balance their budget. Other countries operate within the limits of what they can produce and sell. But the fact that we are one of their main exports, right? We are the heartbeat of them. Your proposal is we're going to stop being the heartbeat of the world, and we're going to make sure we pump and do this all for ourselves, and we're going to kind of remove the jobs from the rest of you guys. But we owe debt to stay on top.

Right. Because right now, all these other companies. countries, their economies, you're like, oh, India's economy is great, right, at our expense. Oh, China's economy's great at our expense. Yes. Right. Fuck China. But the debt that we owe would probably prevent us from saying, yeah, sure, by us doing

this, we're laying off tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in your country. So you don't care about Biden. You don't elect a president to look out for China. Unless you, it's Biden. he's concerned about everybody else, everybody else except for the American citizens. That's what I'm concerned about American citizens. And I'm telling you the way it's working now is working.

You can't change tariffs is not going to change our dependency on these other countries for parts, food, and products. It will eventually, it will. It's never going to be 100%. Two things that worries me about. that. The two things. First of all, the impact on other countries and the fact that we owe them other countries like China, China buys most of our debt, and in turn, we buy most of our products from them. But second thing is you're exporting a lot of the labor that would be running these

manufacturing plans. Mexicans and illegal immigrants, a majority, now I'm not going to say that None of them are criminals because some of them are transporting drugs in. And that's a whole different story. And they're drug dealers. They put down drug dealers, but our insatiable appetite for drugs is what makes us so profitable. The one thing you're talking about on tariff-wise is doesn't even include the frigging our consumption of dope. But- Well, I mean, I think that drugs should be legalized.

Oh, I don't think That'd be horrible Well, weed is legalized You're not smoking a joint And being like, well, let's go rob a bank Well, wait a minute I think So opiates

Right They were legalized Right, but right now you can You can get opiates People get them anyway Like they're getting them anyway Right, but people buy them anyway They can buy them anyway

What I'm saying is Is it look You could go with this you could go with the model of, hey, let's do this. Let's go ahead and reduce the population, the incarcerated population by half. Let's put these guys up. I didn't deserve 26 years.

You could have given me five or six years or 10 years, and I would have done two or three years and been out and gone to a halfway house, put me on a monitor. That means that they were willing to spend about $500,000, $600,000 to incarcerate me. That wasn't going to help help. society. So, so you give me, so if you reduce that population and you say, look, you know what we're going to do? We're going to take Zach or we're going to put him on an ankle monitor. We're going to

send him home. He can go get a job and he's got to pay $100 a month for the, for the monitoring of the ankle thing. Or Zach, do you want to stay in prison for another 10 years? No, I'd rather do that. Of course. So he goes out. So you can easily reduce the prison population by half. But guess what? There's still that money. So we take that money and we go ahead and we take that money and you dump that into education. Then you go ahead and you tax, you make drugs maybe not necessarily legal. Do like a medical marijuana or whatever you want to do that where they can buy some kind of opiate or something, you know, some types of drugs, right? Like a lot of these drugs are, they have been legal at times, right? What about, shoot, you used to be able to buy, what were they

mother's little helpers? It was basically speed. Like most countries, a lot of countries, you could buy speed like make these things available and then the money that that generates take a portion of that money and put it into free rehabs if you have a problem we'll put you in free rehab for 30 days maybe 60 maybe 90 they're not gonna go okay well they're they're gonna here's the thing they are going to go if they want to get off they really want to get off they don't want to get all right exactly but here's but here's the whole thing you can work are free no no they're not free I didn't say free what I'm saying is that make them available make them cheap. Make them cheap and safe. Like right now, what is it? Finney has been prescribed and

been used for decades. It's safe. It's killing everybody. It is killing everybody because what they're doing with it. They're not cutting it. They're sticking into all these different types. They will abuse. Every single addict will abuse it. If you make it free and readily available, they're not free, but if now they can go to the corner store or whatever and purchase it, their tolerance is going to build up on this good, clean, safe drug. And then they'll be abusing that and they'll be overdosing over whatever they can get. Right. Well, it's not like we're losing Patriots here.

They had an opportunity. They had an opportunity. Well, wait a minute. They had an opportunity. If they wanted to get off, they do. Some people, look, no offense. Some people just, they, that's how they want to live their life. Yep.

Now, they might say, well, I'm hooked on drugs. Great. We can send you this rehab. Well, they go, they drop out in three days or a week or whatever. If you have quality rehabs they can go to and they just don't want to. Some people simply want to be drug addicts. That's all they want to do. You do know statistically, Matt, that white people are more on drugs than blacks.

I don't have a problem with that. Okay. And I'm just saying, give my people someplace to go for free so they can get off it. And you know what? If they don't want to get off it and they want to end up overdosing or be a professional dope head, that's fine. Because probably they're going to get it so cheap. They don't have to rob to do it. They could probably get some kind of manual labor job.

Let's face it, most drywallers, painters, roofers are on some kind of drug. Alcohol. Some kind of dope that is. You can drywall a house and lay carpet and put roofs on. On Craig. And beyond meth. So only this time, you don't have to pay a ton with it. And it's safe.

It's measured and it's safe. And you can be a functional attic. And if it's someday you want to get clean, we have a place for you to get clean. And you don't have to spend a whole bunch of time in prison. because it doesn't help you. I don't like that. That's the reason. I don't like how Amsterdam looks.

Have you been to Amsterdam? Not visually, but like free, not free drugs. It's beautiful. Like you can line up. It's beautiful. People have a problem. And that addiction shouldn't be capitalized on. Wait a minute.

So you're saying they have a problem, arrest them and throw them in prison. But you're not saying give them an opportunity. Because they're committing crimes. What I'm saying, you're saying that. But they're saying don't give them an opportunity to go to a 60-day rehab? But they do all the time. They literally, they're in and dorm after dorm after dorm where cats get coming in and go out. Come in and go out.

And when they come in, oh, you got a drug charge, drug program. You know, they go in the drug program. They clean up. They gain weight. They slick back the hair. They look fantastic. They leave and they give the drug something to eat on because they gain weight. And such, they're good and clean until they can get a hit.

So what you're saying right now, what I'm hearing is that the system, from right now is not working. It's not working because they focus, they focus on the, they focus on the seller of the, so there basically is, let's punish the people who are providing the drugs, right?

And which, which is usually marginalized communities. Because what happens is they give the drugs to the marginalized, the, the, the, the line to the streets is through the marginalized communities.

Because if you notice, they want help. for people on Finney. They went after the big prescription drug companies over the people who were on opioids and addicted to opioids. Yeah, like, so they're like,

well, let's just punish the people who are providing it to them. I mean, for a brief moment, they were arresting doctors. Yeah, yeah, they were profiting. That was a huge thing. For a brief moment. One person will have five, six groups.

You still, you guys keep, you have a great ability at pointing out what the problem is what's the solution the solution definitely isn't going to be to from the trickle down up like let's provide help for such and such because the fact that a matter is the fact is when you go on in Tampa in the on Nebraska all the shelters and stuff have beds available and some of the the you know the cove and all like these drug programs although you have to get on the waiting list and all that those places are available it's the want and just because like okay I'm addicted to a drug that doesn't make you go rob or do this or do that. Okay, once again, but what's the solution? It would be legalizing drugs because they've legalized marijuana and made it a multi-billion dollar industry.

Right, but that's not something that six is in favor of. Well, I mean, he's... People are profiting off of people's addiction. His answer leads to the legalization. They've proven that marijuana. marijuana is a non-addictive not physically addictive I know plenty of people who literally smoke all day long because they enjoy it right they they enjoy that I see a cigarette I know I know guys that do counter that they just like the smell of it I so I mean come on I smoke but like

right now now that which I'm not thinking damn I actually I am thinking I could use a joy yeah after these argument but I yeah I'm not thinking like okay we got you know it's not physically addictive like that. Yeah. Okay. It's physically addictive, but mentally it's addictive. You're constantly... You chase it. You enjoy it. Right. So I love to ride a motorcycle. I'm always thinking about it, but I'm not like going through the drones.

So what is... So there's some drugs you'd be okay with with legalizing, or is it just just, it's just pop because you... I like how it is now. Like, don't legalize and sell Brown. They do. Don't legalize and sell...

Opioids are... Well, you know what I mean. Like, let's not have, like, cure leaf. You know, let's not have, you know, dope dash. And you can, you know, I mean, it makes a lot of sense. I hear where you're coming from. That would be a huge influx of taxable monies. But you're profiting off of the blood of children. Like, you're like, you're, you know, you're profiting off of, you're profiting off of,

who's profiting off it now? who the dealers the immoral guys that are so what i'm saying is let's go ahead and let Pfizer and the other companies manufacture you can get yourself a little bottle and you can take a little pill and it's measured and it's cheap and it's inexpensive and they're taxed and we get rid of the dealers profiting off it because somebody's profiting off it oh wait is it the cartels Is it the local dealer? Is it everybody down the chain? They're all profiting.

So someone's profiting now. I'm saying, let's tax it. Let's make it safe. If you can't beat them, join them. I am. We'll become dope dealers, but we'll give you better dope cheaper. And we can tax it. Absolutely true.

And fix the roads. We can tax it and possibly. Well, and we can give you a safe drug rehab to go to if you want to change. I'm not saying you have to, but if you want to. And I don't mean, by the way, the drug hat one, you know, when they send you to a drug program in the state, they are garbage. They look like garbage. I'm talking about

a nice, clean facility. You get your, you get your latte in between class, run by professionals, like a decent place. Like, take a couple of decent ones. I don't see, I don't see that as a solution. I just see that there's no good answer. We're going to profit

off of what we can't fix. Did you ever see the movie Argo? I know exactly what you're talking about. I didn't see it. So, um, there's a, scene in Argo where they're trying to get the, they're trying to get the hostages. Well, it's not even the hostages. It's a group of, a group of Americans that have escaped to the Canadian embassy. I want to say there's five people there. I could be wrong. And the CIA is trying to come

up with a plan to get them out of Iran. And when they present the plan, he says, here's the plan we think we should go with and the director says so you think this is a good plan he says no no there are no good plans there's nothing but bad plans but this is the best bad plan you have he goes yes out of all the bad plans this is the best bad plan we have there are no solutions people are going to use drugs i'm saying what is the safest way we can do it so that we can collect the taxes and help these people and help society. I think there's growing pains. We would look horrible as a country.

In Oregon, in Oregon, they've tried. In Oregon. In Oregon. In Oregon. Ethics and moral problems. They've tried it. They've tried it. A couple of states have tried to have legal zones where people can go and actually use drugs.

Seattle. Hey, I have a question for you. What would happen to the cartel if Pfizer started making a form of ice or Pfizer started making these products nothing you don't think that cartels there has been a huge influx of marijuana

shops and cure leaves and all that people are still selling pot just fine you think that you think that it wouldn't harm the cartels at all I mean there obviously there would be a shift in but you know there's still something I can buy I can buy cartels ice

on the street for $100 or I can buy the same amount for $30. It's never cheaper. The cure lead that they sell and you go in Q and they've got seven different strands, 20 different

chain. It's the same. Very says Tyrone. Very expensive. And then when you want the good stuff, it's very expensive than the world. So what if you could buy it for instead of $100, it was $50? What if you could?

Big business, profitable America is not going to throw off some cheap, good dope. Right, but what if you could? Then, of course, I would prefer this option over that option. But as businessmen, just like Cure Leaf or whoever owns that, as businessman, you're not going to give this product when you know you can double that price. So it's not the pot.

So it's not the plan that bothers you. It's just the cost is the real issue. Nope, it's the plan. I wouldn't want to legalize drugs as, a thing with the face of my country. I don't want my country to look like legalized. I'm not talking about the perks and all of that. That's pharmaceutical stuff. I'm talking about pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine. Pharmaceutical grade brown. Which by the way, all of these are, all of these are, like oxies and, you know, these are all

opium. There's a difference between, there's a difference between selling drugs and they're And they're already giving for a medical purpose. There's a difference to me. I think that I think that that line changes constantly. It's blurred. It's constantly changing. Because it used to be 20 years ago, if you walked in to, look, the first time that I walked in, I had a prescription for Xanax. Okay.

You know what I told them? And this is true. I told them I had had a panic attack and I explained what had happened. And he said, oh, man, he said, you need to. I said, now I said, my dad told me that he had a prescription for Xanax and that I probably needed a prescription for Xanax. And he goes, yeah, of course. And he wrote me a prescription.

This is just the local general practitioner wrote me a prescription. That's how they all do. Right. Well, they don't now because I got out of prison and I went to go get a prescription for Xanax. And I went to three different doctors. And each one of them cost me $250 just to walk in the door and be told, no. No. Because they're abusing, they're abusing it.

They were. They were abusing it back when I got it. So the point is, is what happened was the line between what was medically necessary. And I never abused it, by the way. They were like, take it, you know, you can take it once a day, whenever you feel you have a panic attack, if you can't sleep. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle

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and I got very anxious, so I would take it. So I didn't abuse it. But I'm saying that medical line is constantly moving on what's medically necessary and what's, not necessarily. What I'm saying is, and I don't even think that a doctor should be prescribing, and I think you can go to like a head shop. Um, you know, so I mean, because clerk. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think, and I, like I said, I think you tax it. I think you redump the money. And I think it if you had to do some kind of price check, where you do a, where you do a price cap,

where you say, this is what we're charged. Why? Because the street values this. And we're trying to run the cartels out of business. That's what I think happens. Is it a good solution? No, it's a horrible solution. Is it immoral? I don't think it's any more moral than what's happening right now. I think taking some drug addict that's buying and selling or even selling just to get his enough money to feed his habit and you send him to jail for 15 years because he brought, he bought a 22 that doesn't even work to a $15 to, you know, to sell a $15 crock and you send him to, send him to prison for 15 years. Is that, that's moral?

Yeah. Is that immoral? Yeah, I do think. I believe you in that. I'm with you. And I'm even with you with the, you know, legal. get the tax the money i i see exactly where you're coming from i just think it's a bad solution but that's what he's saying it's the there's no good it's right lesser of the bad

it's because like there's no stopping it and could you imagine what you could do with the d a dea the dee who you we don't even need you you don't even need you you can take that you can take those 12 000 i don't know how many by the way somebody who's going to fact i think i think they all You take that 12,000 man, person, army, and you just say, we're done with you. We don't need you anymore. I love Trump's thing where he said the alcohol, tobacco, and fire, ATF. He's like, he goes, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, he said, isn't alcohol legal? Aren't firearms legal?

Isn't tobacco legal? Why do we have an ATF? Can we take those 5,000 fucking guys and get rid of them? They enforce abuses of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. No, they don't. It's a police force. It's not like they're going, it's not like they're going to all of the, like if you want to have them go to the gun stores and check records, okay, but they're not. They're setting up stings.

They're doing undercover missions. I don't need you to do undercover missions. We don't need you to do all that. I need you to go to make sure that these guys are getting the right proper, proper verification when someone applies to buy a gun. I need someone to, the police, by the way, if you get. pulled over and you're, you're a convicted felon in charge of a firearm. Guess what? That's a local crime.

I don't need a special ATF wing to come in and set up a huge thing. I think the local cop that pulls you over and searches your car because he smells marijuana and finds a gun. I think that's good. We can enforce that. I don't think the ATF. I agree with that. Do you know back in like around 2010-ish, you're right.

They were setting up stings. They were horrible. Did you remember the kid? Yes, they did that to multiple. They'd have some kid. They'd set up a fake robbery like, hey, we're going to rob six. They were just out there setting up kids, teenagers, to commit robberies, and they were shooting at them. They were reversed things, by the way.

They were reverse things. And the one that busted it was the kid that they went to his brother and they said to him to his brother, we know a guy or, sorry, they went to a kid and they said listen this kid never had a job by the way he's like 18 19 years old he lives at home doesn't have a job and they said listen we know where there's a then this is a CI we know where there's a drug house and there's a hundred thousand dollars in cash there in a couple pounds of marijuana whatever everybody

this is reverse john john gordon yeah but john gordon shot the guy so here's what happened yeah the kid uh um so that the get the kid he's on the couch his buddies are telling them like, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, all we're going to do is, is we're going to drive up there, we're going to go kick in the door, get the money, and leave. And the guys, like, I work there so you can actually rob me, you know what I'm saying, tie me up. I mean, he's setting up. Oh, this is in the drug house. Yeah.

So he's like, he's like, so I'm the guy, you'll be robbing, whatever. So the kid says, I didn't, I don't remember that. I'm the guy. Right, right. Well, there's two guys. And there's a couple guys. So the kid says, oh, okay, he's like, listen, though. Well, no, I think yours is wrong because they, one of the things they did.

the kid was, they said, we need you to bring a gun and an ID that said, I'm sorry, a badge that says you're a cop. And he says, well, I don't know where I can get a gun or a badge. And he says, bro, he said, you, you got to get a gun and badge. He's like, okay, well, my, my grandfather has a gun. I can probably go to his house. He has a gun. So he gets the gun. He gets the gun from his grandfather. By the way, it's like a 1910 cult revolver that doesn't have a pin. It doesn't work. Kid gets the gun. He's like, I got a gun. He's like, okay, he's like, I don't think it works. He's like, well, we don't need it to work because they don't need it. It could be plastic for all we care. They get in the car. He says, did you get the badge? The guy, kid goes, I don't have a badge.

And he says, it's okay. I brought one for you. He takes it, clip it on your belt. He clips it on his belt they get to the fucking place they go into the they jump out and they start heading to to the door to kick the door in and ATF get on the ground get on the ground get on the ground do you know why they had him bring a gun so it's an arm robbery it's an arm robbery it's an enhancement why do they have him bring the the badge the badge it's an enhancement you get a minimum man's story so he ends up getting he you can go to prison you can go to trial and get yourself 20 years or you can plead guilty and get 10. That's the case.

And the gun doesn't even work, by the way. But that doesn't matter. They don't care about that. So the point is, is that that's the case that the guy actually, like, fought the case all the way to the Supreme Court and got the whole thing overturned because they went from, in one, the first year they started doing it, it was 500 reverse stings. It went from 500 to, like, 1,500 to 3,500 to 8,500. In like four years, it went that.

because it was working so good. Yeah. Setting people up works well. And so eventually they said, okay, we're going to reverse our book because we're being told that we're setting these guys up and it's entrapment. In one case, I know, I'm not saying it was. Yeah, one case the judge threw it out and the prosecutor lost it. Like, you're right, that was a huge problem.

What I'm saying is why do we, do you understand what they were doing is ruining kids. Right, is entrapment. Black kids. It's entrapment. You got a good for you, bro. You got a 19 year old. kid who's never had a job who lives at his at his and he's broke parents house broke and you promised him he was going to get he was going to get one third of a hundred thousand dollars

and all he had to do was come with you with this broken gun like wow man you got him 10 years in prison right you got 10 years and 10 years in prison at 30 000 as 300 thousand dollars for you to get this kid who's playing video games on his mom's couch off the and his mom might have been like okay well that's going to save me a little bit of money you know on him going there but she's still got to go visit him the whole time and put money on his books the point is is that you're going to spend $300,000 to set up a kid that was never going to do a fucking thing and they and that those dudes patting his not a 10 year criminal no he's not a criminal at all he's just some idiot you're patting your he couldn't even fill out an application to get a job you're patting yourself

on the back you like you were so proud of yourself he's a real criminal we took one off the And they were so proud of themselves. They got rid of the... 500 to 8,500 in four years. They got rid of the entrapped. The feds got rid of the entrapped. I've helped about, when I was in jail for legal work, I helped about five people. And when they would tell me the story, I go, this is strangely familiar.

Like, all of them are identical to that. But a couple of people I help, there are situations where they actually shoot at those kids. Oh, yeah. That was John Gordon. He was the same thing. let's rob the guy and they start shooting at him yeah like they come in

they'll blast in with gunshots and everything and start shooting out I know a guy named Kevin who said that when they were going to the spot he hears the gunshots and he's about to grab his gun and he's looking around

and they come out of nowhere he's like had I grab my gun they were gonna kill me what was it what was it the same thing with the kid I think it was the same thing with the kid that lost his leg yes yes I remember his name his name was um

he only went because of His brother asked him to drive. And he said he didn't want to go. They killed his brother. And blamed him. Yes. They charged him with the murder. He got 30 years.

Wow. Patting themselves on the back, bro. Just taking off good clean people or good criminals off the street. We're doing the right things. They're saying these guys were predisposed. So their whole, they got rid of the. Any broke person's predisposed to that that fucking. That's what one judge said.

He's going to drive. He goes, you're targeting broke people. and promising them money. Easy money. You're taking somebody, I'm fucking broke, and here you come. And I'm going to give you a risky plan. Yeah, for easy money.

And you're telling me it's easy. And I'm walking right in, yeah, and I'm walking right into a trap. You know, my favorite is, my favorite is the drug deal where they say, hey, I'm going to sell you a bag here. I got you on, you're on wire. You're done.

I just sold it to you. You just committed a felony. Why don't I arrest you? No, no, we want to get a thing. few more buys. We get another one, another felony, another felony, another felony. Have we hit the mandatory minimum yet? Yes, we do.

Now we arrest you because before you could have got probation, but now you get five years. That's the same, you know what's so funny about those? Half the prison population can be reduced. And you haven't done a fucking thing to harm society at all, really just probably hoping to correct some injustice, really. I was in a dormitory with a gentleman, an older black guy, and he said, and he told me, he said, young man, that was back when I was young, he said, young man, I, I shit you not. I am here for $20 rock, got five years.

They sent him to five years. And all of his, you can tell the type of person, you know, he's a smoker, this and that. Not this career, rock seller or whatever, $20 worth of powder. And because it was rock. Yeah. Yeah. Five years. How much money are they going to spend up?

Five years and that's the state. So the state, is it state? The state is about $20,000 per person. The feds is about 32. State is 20. Here's the thing. So for five years, they're going to spend $100,000 to keep a fucking dude locked up for $20.

And they're going to tell themselves that that's okay. But here's the, here's the flip side of that coin, though. The recidicism, recidivism. Thank you. That is so high. So like as me, Johnny, I'm just playing the devil's advocate. As me Johnny citizen, I obviously don't want criminals, you know, while I'm going to the store.

So, like, guys that have this premise of being tough on crime and all that, that's why they get elected. No, because it's a selling point, bro. It's not, it's not hard. It's not harming anybody. I mean, it's not. They would say it is because the criminals, the guys that we've proven that commit crimes, they're getting out, they're going to jail, and they get back out and they do the same stuff again fast. They get out and jump to the crime.

Put him in a drug rehab and give him a job. And if he still fucks up, then make it reasonable for him to be able to buy it where he can work at a labor place and buy it. And he can smoke as much as he wants. So we're not going to keep throwing these guys in jail. It's a waste of resources. But playing the devil's advocate again, get them out, put them in a rehab, doing such and such and such. So now they may be thinking, I'm spending a lot of rehab.

It costs money. These programs take employees and putting all these guys on ankle monitors and stuff. Well, if you look at the data, ankle monitor just doesn't work. I disagree. Oh, no, I was just on it. So I'm going to tell you that there was a room. full of people that did not make it, won't make it. The small percentage of Matt Cox is out there that go to prison, develop a plan and become

so locked in that I'm going to change because I don't like this. I don't want anymore. The percentage of those people is very small. Right, but the alternative isn't to give up on them and throw them in prison for the rest of their life. The alternative is to keep spending more money to try to rehabilitate them. No, I agree. By the way, it's not, by the way, it's not more money. Because if you spend, if it's, if it's in the state, if it's $20,000 over the course of five years, that's $100,000. If this guy was on the street, I can spend $50,000 and you can educate him in some,

something to do where he can make, make a living. And then if he wants to keep using drugs, he can keep using drugs. That's fine because the drugs are are reasonably priced and they're safe. Now, I'm not saying that you're going to make him a financial manager while he's also doing crack or should I say rock. So while he's doing rock, you know, I'm not going to say you're a rock head, you're my rock head financial planner, although that'd be a great, you know, rock, rock head finance. Rock head finance. RHF, I saved you money. You didn't even know you had. But you know where he can work in a manufacturing job, you know, he can work in in something in a labor job. He can he can drywall. He can paint. He can do something like that. And then by the

way, those jobs, there's there's tons of those guys. Like I probably say 50, 60 percent of those labor forces have guys that are professional alcoholics or professional addicts, even if it's only cigarettes or something, cigarettes, alcohol, some kind of drugs. And they do great work. So I'm saying what's not an alternative way, what's not the solution is he goes, to jail for for five years here and then he gets out and two years later he gets another seven years and two years later he gets another he gets eight years like that's not the solution I can see it's it costs a drug rehab you can say hey man that's a nice drug rehab they put a lot of effort in that and they really really did a bunch of stuff and that that was an expensive drug

rehab you're right it was an expensive drug rehab it cost $10,000 for him to be there for a month it didn't cost 20 it didn't cost 30 it damn sure it didn't cost 100,000 and you know what maybe he maybe it fixes him maybe maybe to it's to your prison didn't so straight your point straight life is very very very difficult it's to your point society is especially with prices i did the drug rehab thing as a alternative to incarceration and it was an 18 month program uh they had the horses out there like it was a very nice program We got the bus to work and everything. And I got to sit firsthand with drug addicts.

And, like, my eyes were open to their perspective of stuff. Like, I met a guy who would steal his mother's clothes. Wow. And bring it to play it again, Plato's closet. Yeah, Plato's closet. Wow. And what they wouldn't buy. Well, I'm sure it wasn't clothes she wore.

No, no, no. It was clothes she wore. It was because he had run out of, stuff stealing in the house so he would steal what he could and what they wouldn't buy at plato he would just walk out the front door and drop it because i've gotten everything where else someone's i'm not going to bring it back home so i got to sit around people with that mindset and i watched them change right i and i learned a lot about myself in that situation i just put instead of rock, but money filled in that blank.

And there was a lot of addictive personalities that I have. Right. Mind you, all of that is well and good when you're in these rehabilitation centers. You're not drug dependent. You've got all the synapsis snapping and clicking. The minute you get out, what resources are available, for one, for two, you have to have someone with the correct mindset. You can't rehabilitate what's in here.

so when you're out and free and you don't have to go to bed because they turn the lights off at 8 and now you're free and clear and you have to get on the bus and go that's a different thing that's a different beast and it's hard for people

to make that change up here I had to walk to pay setters to day labor because I didn't have it walk home but I was committed to not going back again you think that every single person that went to that place when right got out and immediately got back on drugs i would say from my

experience 98 percent 98 98 98 out of 100 you think didn't go back because i i believe like some people got family that would damn hey that's his view and i say that confidently like because i knew people there even when i did the drug thing at falkenberg and they had the in-house drug treatment. So I ran into a lot of those people and I ran into the people that knew other people and the stories are all the same. Man, you know, oh, what's the name back? You know one thing I got shot. Or I'm riding my bike. I'll pull up at a gas day. And guess who I see? But the other was a name. And he's asking for a dollar. Right. Or three. You know, it's hard. Like the rehabilitation thing sounds fantastic. Help the homeless. All that stuff sounds,

but it is absolutely the person. Let's assume it's 2%. Okay. If we break out pen and pencil right now and take those 100 people that we're going to get five years at $20,000 in the state apiece, and 2% of them,

every one of them that goes into the drug rehab continually gets better and better and better. In the end, it's still a better, it's still a better solution to send them to read them to read, rehabs than it is to lock them up for five years. First of all, the five years is just their first prison incident. They're going to keep going back and come back.

Let's say 2% get better every single time. The drug rehab doesn't cost but 10 grand for 10 or six or six, their first 30 to 60 days. No, that drug rehab is way more expensive than they wanted out of my insurance, Phoenix House wanted for the 18 months. These people don't have insurance. I'm talking about a state-run facility, not something that's appointed by you know, the judge in your, yeah, I'm going to go into that one too. And you think that one cost how much? The state run one?

Yeah, I don't know. They're not charging $20,000 or $30,000 for 30 days. They're not charging that. And it doesn't matter anyway, because remember it was a five-year president sentence. It was $100,000. You're talking about $100,000 versus what? If they pay $20,000, $30 for 60 days? I'm talking to, you know what I'm saying?

And 2% keep repeating. In the end. And I think that that drug, and some people are just never going to change. They're not going to change. But they'll just keep going back and going back and going back. I'm talking to a friend of mine that gets out in, I think, April and very addicted to meth and has not taken any drug rehabilitation. So I was asking today, I'm like, I talked them on the phone over here. I'm like, what about your addiction?

He's like, well, I've been without it for eight years. and so I just have to not want to go around that and I want to get around my family. What do you think his chances are? Zero. He said he hasn't even had the urges anymore. Because he's there. Like, and everything's clean.

They're like, I could have got high when I was here, but I've been turning it down. That's different. That's different. Like, I could have got hot because his home boy might have bought, spent 20 bucks. On some pills there. What about the,

so you think the longer that that person has been addicted to, a drug, the more chance they go back to it? Not the length of time. It's absolutely the person. Well, he's saying that he's done. It's not only physically addictive. Like, it's like when I'm bored and I got nothing to do, that mind goes to to toiling on all the old stuff.

Or when I go to hang out and I'm with a chick and everything, those feelings come on. I'm with a chick. I usually smoke some meth. The sex is different because I associate good sex or good hanging out with the drug. So that's what it, now chilling sitting in P dorm, there's no real urge. The real urge is from when he's got.

Because when he had me convinced, Steve had me convinced this morning. Yeah, listen. Nope. Zero chance. It's, I wouldn't say zero chance. But what I'll say is this, if he doesn't believe himself that, like, that stuff is not even an option. That's what they said?

I mean, it's just, it's filthy. It's, like, you have to change your. So what is the percentage? What's the likelihood that I walked into a halfway house that had 100 people in it? I sat down with a chick, started flirting with her, ended up with her, married her, and she's a long-term drug addict, meth. and that I just happened to pick one of the 2% that doesn't re-offend as far as being going right back to meth

because I don't think that it's 2% because the likelihood that I walked in there sat with that person and ended up with that person because guess what everybody there was had gone to drug almost everybody there was probably for drugs I'd say 70% people have a feather but she would You were attracted to something that... Or maybe the percentage is a little higher.

Maybe it's a little higher. What was her perception of the meth? I mean, was she committed to not... She's been smoking ice. He was 11 years old? Yeah, but was she committed to getting off of it when she was there? Was her commitment like, I'm never doing it again? She's been committed to getting off meth many, many times.

She's gotten off for six months. She's gotten off for nine months. Every time she ever found out she was pregnant, immediately stopped doing it. and then she would have the baby and then whatever six months later a year later boom she start up again bam she started up again boom she started the guy she date this guy he does math they boom they start up again well that that's a trigger right if the guy you're dating does math but it's exactly how you it's up to uh rehabilitation after rehabilitation did she take rehab

they say all the same she did do art out she did do art out that life is different for that person right like they're with someone that supports them the journey becomes different. Yeah, she didn't have anybody of support, but I hear what you're saying. Especially her family. But I think Ardap is a huge, he doesn't. I think Ardap is a huge help.

I think what are you talking about? How many times have I said art? I think every person, I don't think you should be able to get out of prison until you take an Ardap style program. That's how good I think Ardap is. What? Wait, where's Matt?

Matt. No, you've never heard me say that. What have you done with me? You've never heard me say that. I promise you. What about your book, Matt? My book mocks it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

I think it's a great program. I mock the people, how many idiots? The people running the program, half of them are psychos. But I also think, I agree with that. People what R-DAP is. Oh. It's a residential drug treatment program inside of prison where for nine months, you go in, you go into drug and alcohol treatment.

What? You go into, thanks for that. You go into a special housing unit where every day you program several hours a day. I mean, everybody in the program is, everybody in that unit is programming. So they're all art at. Oh, I've been around that type of. Right. So it's nine months of behavior modification.

Nine months. They're not fucking. They're not fucking around, bro. No. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. And you're lucky because I'd say 25, well, I'd say 10% get kicked out, maybe 25% get refazed where you have to go back and do another three months.

I knew one guy who was like, he got refazed and he was like, man, it looks like another three months because, you know, they do it in phases, right? So something you go back and you like, there's like three phases. He's like, yep, looks like I'm going to go back. But one of your first, the first, one of the first things you learn is to take responsibility. Well, when he went into his team meeting and they were talking to him about his victims, he was like what victims I did Medicaid scams he's like I don't have any victims and so you're not taking responsibility for your actions so he got refazed back to the beginning oh nine I've seen

or maybe it was six maybe it was six months you can't the program's nine I've been right but he might go all the way back but you're losing him so right I'm sorry but yeah it's super super intense intense you're you're in you're in you're in a unit where you're living with someone and the accountability also comes with confrontation to where every morning you get up you have a meeting and they give you all of these designs they put names on different modes of thinking you know what I'm saying to kind of help you conceptualize what you might be doing and going through and they also do this thing where I'm supposed to hold you accountable where I'll stand up and I'll say I'd like to yeah I'd like to address

six for um i like to help six and you'd stand up and i go six i noticed you were doing this wrong and this wrong and i'm telling you that in front of the whole group so it's a little humiliating and embarrassing and they put you on the spot and then you have to accept what i'm saying and process it that is a very difficult thing for a lot of people and i'm gonna tell you something like this morning this morning when you were when we were talking to her about her cray cray Kray? Jess. Like, if you notice she didn't dispute it, whereas most people's normal reaction, when I'm

saying something about you, about them, is to argue that it's not true. She didn't dispute it. She just kind of says, well, it's a nice, Craig. It's like you accept. And I believe that that one of the things that R-Dap helps you, it helps you in dealing in situations and being able to be reflective and see yourself how other people see you. I believe that. Well, I mean, it helps you deal with stress, things that are triggers to move to drive.

It helps you deal with stress. It helps you. It's a, it's a behavior modification program. Yes. You have to work through books. You have to. It teaches you, what is that? Critical thinking.

Critical thinking. Absolutely. Like that's 90%. That's the biggest problem is to be able to think through. Most people don't, most people are reactionary. They don't think through all the steps. They react immediately. And then when suddenly they're in handcuffs, they're like, oh, my God, what happened?

This is bullshit. Did you know this was happening? You attack the guy. Yeah, but he said that it's irrelevant what he said. You had to know that the end result by attacking him was you were going to end up by handcuffs. So, you know, it teaches you to make those, what a normal, what I realize a normal person does instinctively. They don't attack somebody else immediately. They think through like, oh, I'm pissed and I'd like to fucking slap this.

I'd like to kill him. Right. But, you know, what's going to happen? I'm going to do that. I may get away with it now. He'll call the police. That guy called police. I'm going to end up.

The cops are going to show up. They already have my name. I'm going to end up in prison. Well, I think before that, they'll say it's not worth me murdering this guy or assaulting him. Because I'm angry. Did I tell you the. More like going to prison. I'd be okay with cracking a few people.

About a month and a half ago, I was in. And if you guys know me, I'm absolutely nonviolent, the most laid back person. And I tell you a month and a half ago, I was in Costco. And I'm in line. Did I tell you that story? We had it on the last podcast. The Costco incident. Yeah, yeah.

And with Boziac. Are we wanting to get two episodes today? Yes. Sorry. So we might need to wrap this one up. Oh, okay. All right. Right in the middle of my story.

Only, I told Boziac. You told that windows of all four of you guys. Oh, yeah. When a guy hit me with the bugging. Yes. He told you to move or something. And he hit me and he hit me and I looked at him and he goes, move.

Yeah, yeah. And the first thing I thought was, I wouldn't get a bond it's like I just I wouldn't get a bond so I would have to sit in jail that's exactly because I was about to turn that cart over

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