Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - WES WATSON IS A FAKE?! | EX GANGSTER REVEALS THE TRUTH

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

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I knew West Washington was a flake before I even never watched any of the prison genre channels. He's one of his videos, like he doesn't respond to nobody when they attack up, but he actually responded a little bit. I don't see why people have to talk about other people. He can't discredit what's being put out there. That's straight from the Department of Corrections. You can't deny that. He ain't ran no prison yard. I may be what I am, but I've ran prison yards. You know what I was part of an organization. I recruited people. I've made, I've really had people stick and stuff like that.

This dude has it. And I came across you because you did a video, um, on on uh west watson oh yeah right so how did how did that come about like i knew west watson was a flake before i even never watched any of the prison jodder channels right a lot of these dudes that came on back then were they're fake man all these dudes that like they were never part of no gangs or organizations they were just me just sat there did whatever they needed to do they were the base limit convicts all these dudes that have 500 000 to a million subscribers they were no buddies in the game so when i see west watson

I'm saying, I never want to attack him because I have nothing against, I have no hate towards him. Right. But he's fake. His stories, when I heard the story he did about the shoe, and I was in the shoe indetermined. He's talking about the South Siders are up at 3.30. I've never seen the South Sires get

up past 545, ever. You know what I'm saying? He's talking about fucking how they put him in this, all this shit that he's talking, man, this shoe's full of it. Like, just everything he's saying, and you can just tell. And he's talking about how dominant his group. I'm like, dude, your group's not even even the top three as far as the most dominant groups in the prison system.

This would be real. You know, you're not going to run nothing by no orders. You're going to do whatever the South Siders tell you to do in most places. So quit trying to pretend. And then when I started hearing the level four stuff, I got at somebody I know, who knows how to get at somebody to get the records pull. And so they pulled it. And so if you looked at it, it shows Donovan, which was reception, which is he said he went from Setanella before he went to he went to the shoe he said

and then he said he went to Setanella before he went to Arizona doesn't show you if he went to Setanella it says he went straight from fucking Donovan to fucking Arizona you know what I'm saying so I'm looking at all this stuff and I'm watching his videos and I'm like I already knew he's full of shit but I'm like dude this shit right here just

fucking proves everything he says he's full of shit he never was no level four the officer that that uh uh gave us to the person I know said that he never did no shoot time there's no street term that he allegedly claimed so it's all bullshit so I'm like, you know what, man? I dropped it for two reasons. One, it's going to get

fucking views. You're real. That was the number one reason why I dropped it because sometimes, hey, there's some things, we need that bump in our channel for that week. You could have 100,000 subscribers, but only getting 2,000 other videos sometimes. Yeah. Okay? You could have 20,000 subscribers, but every video is hitting 30-40. So that right there will give me the jump. I know it. Two, why not? Why not tell people with the truth? You know, I'm not hating on what he accomplished. I'm saying that the do's a fake. You know, it's like if you went to, uh, whatever, ever training a seminar or you're a sports fanatic and you want to go to some quarterback school, you know, you think you're getting fucking coached by fucking Joe Montana, man, but literally you know, you're getting fucking coached by a fucking high school quarterback.

That's the reality of it. And, um, that's up for people to make the decision if they want to support him or not. That's up to them. He maybe is a good motivator. I mean, I wouldn't that nobody talks to me the way he talks to people, you know, me? We'd be having issues, straight up. Right. And when I see it, I'm like, fuck these people like

And people, it's funny though Some people will defend them though Like, it's like, fuck here It's like, why they got West Watson like that, it's like, come on man You know, he's nothing that he portrays to be You know I did a video about him

I'm paying the AB I'm like I never said that he had to pay the AP He said it on no jumper He's the one that made that first statement Oh, I could just know some money If I go back in this stat You're not to go fucking whack the shit out of him, man.

You know what I'm saying? He was never on the level four. He paroled from a CCF, level two. So at the end of that, it just shows up to 2015. That shows the last place he was housed in Arizona. I don't know when he came back to the States. But he came back, I think, to a CCF. So he had to go through reception.

So I heard he went through Delano, they told me. So he went to the CCF, which is not even a prison. Those are fucking private-owned fucking cast, basically. Right. He was never in no shoe. He was never on no level four yard, and he was out of state that's all there's to it. He wasn't running no yard. I don't think he was a punk or nothing, but he was not the man that he portrays to be on looking YouTube.

Right. Well, I mean, listen, there's lots of guys like that, you know, there's lots of, you know, you hear the stories and it's like, that didn't sound right. Like, I don't see how you're behaving this way in prison. And I don't see these, these stories that you're, I'm not saying they're not true, but I don't see all these different things happen. happened to you and you know and look I I got people that you know people send me emails and they you know they they contact me on Instagram and you know they'll shoot me you know we shoot messages back and forth but you know and guys are like listen like they're they're saying all kinds of stuff about him like look that like that he ended up getting some kind of a benefactor

right away that basically has him put him up so he can shoot videos in like a condo so that he's driving a vehicle that it's not his like it's all these things like it's the whole fake it till you make it you know and and that's you know i get it some people do that but i also kind of get his story too because let's face it at i got now of a prison and never mentioned that i cooperated i could have said i filed two 2255s got my sentence reduced twice i could have come up with some bullshit story and i got 26 years but i ended up meeting this guy and he filed two 22 to 55s for me got you know seven years knocked off my sentence and and five years knocked off my sentence and could come up with some bullshit reason. Nobody's got to check. Nobody's got to go pull up page or look.

So I could have done all that, but I just thought, you know what? Transparency. You've got to be transparent. Well, you know what I thought was? And this happened in prison. I kind of thought, you know what? Like all your bullshit lies and fraud got you here. And I remember my buddy Pete telling me this. My buddy Pete said, you cannot, you cannot go to prison. continue to behave the way you did prior to prison, get out of prison, and not expect to come back to prison. And I thought, all my bullshit fraud, all these scams, all these lies,

if you get out and you continue bullshitting people, you're going to end up back in fucking prison. So you know what? If you have to tell the truth and you're going to get some shit for it, you're going to get some shit for it. Fucking say it. Be honest. Be one of the only honest guys out there.

And the people that matter will appreciate. that the people that don't matter won't and fuck them yeah so I mean I think that feels that's the sake seems like it was funny though he finally he finally did not respond to it but he gave a little response to it if you notice he may oh yeah what was it on what is one of these videos like he doesn't respond to nobody when the attack of but he actually responded a little bit I don't see why people have to talk about other people you're fucking fake man you know me accepted bro I mean like now you're gonna discredit it you can't discredit what's

being put out there that's straight from the department carbon to cricksh is you can't deny that right no same it's like the liver king like bro you're you're you've got an amazing fucking physique he's doing a bunch of like why are you going to lie about the steroids just say you're fucking doing like it's part of your scam that's why yeah i know i i just i just rather not i'd rather not be that person no he's and he's gonna get um he's gonna get um he's gonna get his supporters right some people why you gotta hate out mad it's not even hate another man just keeping it real if I can be transparent about my story

which is going to get a lot more criticism than anything he's done, right? Right. Why can he be real about his? He ain't ran no prison yard. I may be what I am, but I've ran prison yards. You know what I'm saying? I was part of an organization.

I recruited people. I've really had people stabbed in prison and stuff like that. This dude has it. Right. You know what I'm saying? There's no credibility there. Me, I may have done what I did because I felt

I felt what I did was the right thing from my family, Whether people were real with or not, I don't care. It was right for me and my family. But at the end of the day, you can't discredit everything that I've been through or what I done or who I was. You know what I'm saying? It's all right there.

So people are going to hate either way. And with him, it's like, man, you know, fuck, I wish I would have gotten on YouTube sooner. Where are you now? Are you in California? Or are you in California right now? Okay. Everybody raised in California?

California, Bay Area, to be exact. Okay. Okay. You know, small town, Melpitas, California, which is on the outskirts of San Jose. So I had everything. Open this way, San Jose, this way, San Francisco, just in the center of the bay. Small community, very diverse as far as different races. You had Mexicans, you had blacks, you had Filipinos, you had Asians, you had everything. So I didn't really grow up in a very racial environment. It was one of those very diversified environments. Right. You know, what about your, what about your parents?

What did they do for a living? Okay, well, my mom, my dad was a car salesman at that time, right? He was actually the general manager at Stevens Creek European, which at that time, they were the only the second dealership that did the European cars. So this is in the midst of the 80s, the 90s. Right. Well, and he was a general manager there, and it was rabbiast of Armenians that, I remember their names, Philippine Moore Duke, right?

That was their names. And man, they were doing, I don't know, they were doing a lot of illegal things back there. You know what I'm saying? There was a whole different type of era. A lot of the local drug dealers, like in Richmond and Seaside and all that, used to go in there. And what they would do is they would lay $10,000, $20,000 at a time and lease a car for a couple months and get a demo. Right. Because it would be Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and all that kind of stuff.

And I remember as a kid, man, young, man. My dad would come home with like a suitcase, all kinds of money. He never got arrested for anything. You know what I'm saying? As I got older, I asked him, man, what was all that money about? That's what he told me was what they used to do back then was the drug dealers. This was in the 80s. They would lease the cars to them because they couldn't purchase them

because the feds would try to get for tax evasions at that time. So my dad, that's how my dad was. You know, he was a big man, very violent, very abusive. Nobody tried his best. My mom, she was raised in the military family. She was a real estate broker later on in life. So, but at first she was just a regular stay-at-home mom.

And she was a victim of domestic violence as well. You know what I'm saying? So it was like one of those houses where you're, you're scared what you have to save the house because you don't know what's going to make that tick at the time. You know what I'm saying? I was one of those ones that just wanted detention and shit. I remember I would sit there,

sit there, wait for him to come home. And he would just come here and rub my head and just go on about his bed. business and shit, man. So, um, I had one of her brother and then one older sister. My sister, she, she ran as soon as she could, she could, man. My brother was about three years younger and stuff. And, uh, you know, uh, he kind of didn't go down the same path as me, but he started to suffer from drubby, these shit, you know what I'm saying? And, uh, now he's doing good, man, he has a, he has a, he has a YouTube channel too. He has, like, over 30,000 subscribers. He

has a business where he's making over 200 round a year and you know we all we all went different ways you know right oh sometimes it takes time to equal out you know what I'm saying sometimes you got to hit rock bottom go through some shit before you go listen this isn't working like I'm better off with less yeah then you know you know what I mean like I'm better off with less and just living a better life than than what I'm doing just something takes a lot sometimes takes a lot for people to get there. Most definitely. So,

go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, I was going to say. So, I mean, like, when you, you know, you were to high school, did you stay in that area? Or did your parents stay together? I mean, what? Let me get to that. It's kind of interesting, right?

You know, being a neglected kid, right? I always wanted to catch you this shit. So I didn't really have any male figures really, male role models in my life. And that, like, like, five, six years old and stuff, right? my dad elected to put me in t-ball right and this is a true story right so the first t-ball game right when i went to run right i was running like a fucking girl right right it's it horrified my dad and everything so immediately that falling week i was in taekwondo so i was at west coast taekwondo and um that kind took me in a whole different different way you know i mean that's when he started to get involved in my life

rights to compete, do demos and all that kind of stuff as a young kid. But it was kind of interesting that, you know, before that, you know, you had to have been there, man. Being as a kid, like, I was neglected, so I didn't know the basic things to do. Even when I went to prison, there were certain things as a man that I didn't know what was supposed to do. You know what I mean? I didn't know that shave right. I didn't know certain things that no father, that each father was supposed to show you. I don't know if it was contributed to my dad not and all because the way he was.

raised he was raised uh down south you know what i'm saying with uh he had a uh his mom was native american and his dad was crippled from polio and she was underage i guess and um she had three kids with him and she ran off with a preacher imagine that you know what i'm saying so you know he came from one of those hardline type of lifestyle so nowadays when i talk about all the stuff it doesn't i don't have no hate towards my dad or my mom it is what it is you know I think that they did the best that they could at the moment. That's my family. Right.

So how long, I mean, how did that, you know, develop? I mean, did you, you know, so the Taekwondo, I'm assuming, kind of toughened you up a little bit. Yeah. And you go to, you end up in middle school. Middle school. And by then, I was always, you know, fighting, getting in trouble. You know, I would do, I would go to the extreme. I was an attention seeker.

So I like the attention. You know, I do things at school just because I want to be attention to be popular and whatnot. Getting fights. You know, the gang stuff came up later on around 8th grade, 9th grade. That's when the gang last year started. And by then, they had already got through a split. My mom was, like I said, she was a homebody. And this was around 1990, I think, 89.

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Take the same. And so my dad had all the money. My brother won with my dad. I won't want my mom and my brother over there had everything. We were over there struggling. So I was already selling dope by the time I was like 14, 15 years old just to have clothes. How that, I mean, how did, like, how did that come about? Were the neighborhood kids you saw them doing it?

Somebody could approach you. Just the neighborhood, just rode up in the neighborhood and wanted to experiment. you know, looking at the older homeboys and wanted to be just like them and just you gravitate towards where you get acceptance, you know, and that's just how it was for me is I was one of those kids where I was running away

but I was already like 12 years old, 13 years old I was living on the side of the freeways and it wasn't if I came from a bad home though. Don't get me wrong as far as financially wise. It was just the things that were going on at home that were not good. It had nothing to do. Like, people don't understand that. It had nothing to do with the financial part of it.

Later on it was, but my mom, we were struggling. But at the beginning, it wasn't always like that. So I didn't come from no, like, we were middle class, you know. Basically, my dad basically spent what he wanted to spend his money on. Basically, if we didn't have nothing coming, we had nothing coming. That's just how it was. It doesn't sound good. No, it wasn't good.

It wasn't. So you're, you know, fighting for your, you know, fighting for the scraps or fighting just to stay alive. you know get enough that keep yourself going um so what happened like you know in high school like if you're selling drugs and this is in middle school no that was about that was middle school high school okay so you're selling drugs i mean are you you just doing it to you know just to get enough money or are you actually thinking hey i can turn this into something or you do you get you get no i got caught i got i got i got kind doing it right and i told my mom why i was doing it and then she figured out a way to get some clothes, you know, same. Because before, like, I'd have to borrow clothes

from the homeless from my neighborhood sometimes, right? Like, the shoes would be fucking too small, like, my feet would be bleeding, you know? Or the pants would fit. I'd have to find a way to fucking sag or do whatever I could because we just didn't have that, you know? And, you know, we made do with what we had. And it was just, you know, how it is in high school. If you start to have, like, you know, you never have kids just to put, like, patches over the holes, the Bobbs did, you start doing stuff in high school. When you're in high school, man, people are going to make fun of you. So I would do what I could and get what I could.

Because I was never, I was never a good thief. That was never one of those ones that go in there and go to Kmart or whatever it was back then and still fucking a whole bunch of clothes. I just couldn't do it. I'd get caught. You know what I'm saying? So someone drugs was a little bit easier for me. So how long did that go on?

I mean, did you end up graduating high school or did you get caught before that? Like, I ended up, uh, I didn't finish high school. Cool. They're going to the boys' ranch. For what? For an assault with a deadly weapon, a knife. What was that? What happened there?

Okay. Not a long story, right? I got the time. He had to do with my sister and her boyfriend at the time. And they were a little bit older. I was about 16 years old. And I was coming down from crank, I think, at the time. And, you know, I didn't want to go to school.

So I wasn't going to go to school. wanted to sleep. And so her and her boyfriend were trying to wake me up and they started saying I was on drugs. And so I grabbed the fucking knife and I started chasing after her and boyfriend, right? And then they just took off running. And so I go back into the house. I go to sleep. All I just want to do is sleep next to you know, I'll wake up. I got my police department with a gun straight at my head. I'm like 16 years old. Like, oh shit. So they got me for assault with a deadly weapon. From there, went to juvenile hall. I was going to end and out, juvenile all the time for stolen cars, just stupid stuff at the time, right? Nothing major.

yet um nothing major child went to prison you know but at that time i was just trying to fit in um joy riding uh you know beer and run stuff like that's what i was doing it was basically innocent not innocent stuff but teenage type of stuff you know i mean we've all done that you know beer runs smoking weed uh breaking into a band of apartments to kick with some females stuff like that that was the the level of crimes i was committing Like the Boys Ranch? Yeah, the boys' ranch. How long was that?

How long was that for? For juvenile, I think I was there for like 15 months. Whoa. But that's because I ran twice. So, okay, so you're, you're, I mean, you understand that most kids, they get in trouble. If they do get in trouble, if they get probation and then that's it. But you're, but that's, that, but you ended up with a 15-month sentence. 15 months sentence.

Well, it wasn't if he, he was based upon how. that you did. The program I had to do was only three and a half months. I turned it into a 15 months since. I'm lucky I didn't go to the youth authority, which was prison basically for juveniles. Because I caught an assault with a deadly weapon when I was in the juvenile hall. I hit some dude. A little melee happened with some Sudanials arrived, which is a rival gang, and I ended up hitting one with a chair. Okay. So you were already in a gang? Yeah, at this point. Yeah. And how did that happen? Did you approach them? They approach you? they approached us one night

one night we were just kicking back with a couple of the older homeboys and you know they started drinking right and they're getting riled up so they wanted to go fight somebody or jump somebody in so they ended up jumping me and another homeboy in that night

and it's just like any other gang you know they just take off on you for about like 45 seconds 60 seconds bunch of kicks bunch of you know they were in steel toes so it was pretty bad you know I remember I couldn't even fill my hands afterwards and I didn't get one good hit

in there at all but that was probably about 14 years old at time. Okay, so you end up in the, in whatever, the boys ranch, I want to say juvie, but in the boys ranch, and it drags out for 15 months. Yeah. Which is ridiculous. And so you get out, I mean, you didn't graduate high school in the, well, I guess you were pretty young. Well, I ended up, put it this way, I had to go to the county jail to get the time done. I actually never graduated the program

because I actually ran the last time right before I was 18 and they caught me. So I had to do 60 days in the county jail. I went from juvenile hall to the county jail. And this is what I was like, you know, I was a kid. This is in the 90s and I don't know what to expect. I still won't forget that.

That was a very scary time at first. You know what I'm saying? Because you heard all the stories about dudes raping young kids and shit like that and, you know, getting abused and all that. And you don't know what to expect. So I remember they walked me from juvenile hall to the county jail. and then they sent me to one section

that was the there was actually where I'm from my city right but it was like a big door with like 200 grown men all in the prison and it was just a whole different atmosphere from going from the boys ranch and juvenile law to now county jail was county jail better

it ended up being better yeah at first I was a little nervous right but after a couple of people that knew me you know that kind of made it made the made it a little bit easier and just the more action just to walk around and do what you wanted to do, but it was totally different,

whereas in juvenile hall, it was more structured for us. County Jail was, you know, to do what you want, pretty much. Yeah, it's just trying to keep yourself occupied. Yeah. So I, the hard, the worst part about being in prison is trying to just keep yourself occupied and entertained is, there's just nothing to do. In jail, anyway, in prison, at least you can go out to the yard,

and you can, you know, there's stuff, some stuff to do, but still, it's a lot of downtime. time. So when you got out, like, what's your mom saying, bro? What is your mom saying? Is she coming to see you and saying he was like, shape up? What are you doing? Man, she couldn't control me at that time. Nobody could. I got to that point where I didn't care. It didn't matter. And, you know, I'm saying? I feel bad now. But, like, there's nothing she could do. She pretty much had to write it out. Like, you know, I knew she cared, but there was nothing that she's seen that she could do that would change anything. And, like, I was the one that she worried the most other, oh, her

kids was me. You know what I'm saying? I'm the middle kid. So I'm over there. I'm, you know, first week out of county jail, my car gets shot up out there, getting a shootout. You know what I'm saying? You know, we're having people, we had a shootout at my house as well. You know what I'm saying? So like I think the first month we had about, let me see, there was about four or five shootings that we had that were all involving me. One of them was my car. And we ended up, I was only out for about six months, and that's when I caught a drive-by-shooting, and then ended up catching my prison case. And then lo and behold, my mom was actually selling the house, right?

The house that we lived in, I did the drive-by shooting in her car, right? I thought I got away. I thought I got away with the smooth, right? I'm a kid, right? I thought I got away with a smooth, so as I'm coming, I won't ever forget it. I got another homeboy, and I see all the cops come, and the cops come out of nowhere in the house. They had me, they had my mom.

It was on home for all at gunpoint. Basically, menace do all that stuff, right? And I come out like one of those guys on cops. You know, what are you guys doing here? What are you guys doing here? Like, you know, like a young kid, like a fucking idiot, right? Here's my language. And they got me.

And on that case right there, the bad thing about that case was everything went wrong. Not only were they not in the house at the time we did the shooting. They were right, their mom was driving right behind me. as we had the gun out they went to shooting at the house so I ended up getting a five-year prison term on that you know and that was my first standing prison and was based upon that shooting

so real quick the shooting this is basically what like your like guys in the gang saying hey we're going to go shoot up this house these are rivals or something yeah basically okay so you get five years where they send you where is it this is still and this is in California

so where do you where do you go first? Like, in there, like a, like a... They have a reception center. I mean, like, I went to San Quentin Reception Center. This was in the 90s. I forgot what a year it was, but I fought it for a little bit, right? And when I was fighting it, I played guilty, took a deal, right?

I ended up catching a... I almost caught another assault with a daily weapon and kept you murder when I was in the county jail, right? But just play guilty. And they tried to get me for a slicing where a dude got sliced from your to ear. right and this is I'm a kid and this is an interesting story too right it all started over

I was watching the TV and there's this one dude man he used to come in there and he was a big old dude like while I was dudes if you see like in the prison movie just fat with a big old mustache like this he's fighting three strikes right and I just didn't like him though because he was always getting pulled out by the cops at different hours working he was always in the cops here just look funny to me right

and this was that about 96 so back then there was no structure politics really in the county jail, right? You can sleep up there. You can get high if you wanted. You can do whatever you want. It's not like that nowadays. So everybody's asleep and I'm up and I'm watching X-Man, the cartoon. Now this guy goes up to the TV and he changes it to fucking NASCAR racing. Now, now today I like NASCAR racing and I didn't know if sports always take president over everything else. I didn't know this. But I thought he was disrespecting because I went and broke my razor, came from behind. I hid up from here to ear.

bam and then I hit him again right there and then I kicked him right while he was standing up he was a big old fat dude and you know I feel like I made him look like a bitch right and I went back to go to sleep right and so did you think he was just going to walk away be okay with it see I was I was a young kid I thought I didn't think that there was uh uh like jailhouse informants and snitches like that I didn't know that right off top they were gonna know who it was within like a half hour right I mean they came and I remember I won't ever forget it. They pulled me out first and they came back and they raped me my rights.

And, you know, I started acting up because I just played guilty, like I said, to a drive-by shooting. And so I started hitting my fucking my head on the window and acting all tough and crazy. The cops, fuck you motherfuckers. And they came in, they beat the shit out of me. They beat the

shit out of me, man. They had me all tight up with all kinds of, like, chains and stuff like that. and were dragged me, basically dragged me, because I was only about, let me see. I only weighed about 135 pounds. I was like 6'2 back then. Right? I was a skinny, scrawny kid.

And then I see a little paper boy. He ceased me. So I'm like, oh shit. He's wondering what's going on, right? Because he works, I guess, somewhere with a free staff there. So for about a week, they were trying to give me to admit that I stabbed this dude. They were coming back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And I was like, I don't know what to tell you guys.

And they even tried to send him in there. And then finally, they told me it's going to be interesting because I actually ran it to this dude years later in prison, right? Actually, they actually tell me like, look, the dude told us that you stabbed him, but he doesn't want to be on paperwork as a snitch. You know, I'm saying? Right.

So basically, you know, we're done with you. Yeah. All right. Okay. Cool. You know? So that right there, they were trying to give me for attempted murder, but they just couldn't buy the charges because,

he didn't want to be on paperwork. Right. But he had, I think he got like about 72 or 172 stitches, somewhere that range. Staples and all that. You know, nothing that's not proud of today, though, at all. Um, so then, then what? After you stay at, at, I mean, after you stay at the reception center, and what are they, they, I'm sure your classification must have been,

that didn't help your classification. Where'd they send you? Semi-Solano, level three. How do the levels work? Basically, I think it was zero, I forgot, could be wrong. Zero to 17, I think, was level one. I think it was like 18 to 31

was like level two or something like that. And then 32 to 51 was level three. And then 52 and over was level four. I know 52 and over was level four because I ended up with like 100 or something points being. that started I think with only like 30 points so are you saying like so the first level is that like kind of like a low

a medium okay so basically you went straight to basically what like a pin yeah yes the only living so I'm not the highest level pin but a pen yes okay I'm trying to think of the federal system I'm thinking you know low medium pin probably like a probably like

let me see you have the USPs FCIIs are what, silly to me, right? Um, it depends. Yeah, I mean, typically, yeah, there's cells,

but, you know, there can be, like the low I was at was, it was an open bay. But it was a low. Now, at the mediums, they're all cells,

you know, you got the stainless steel combo, toilet sink in there, they close it, they can feed you through the doors. They don't ever have to let you out. Okay. We would have to let you out for a shower.

So this would be, This would be a step below USP. Okay, basically. You know? I don't see, CCF, so I went to Slotto and was there, and that was just a, that was done by drugs and prison politics. So I was on that yard. It was off the hook.

I never seen so much drugs ever just in one prison. And this was one prison to where we actually had, our numbers were pretty good. You know what I'm saying? As compared to other places where they're not so good. as you know Suveo's a property the more dominant as far as population-wise

in the California system what cuts between the two groups the Solano was actually a place where we had the numbers so it was a little bit different experience at first and you know I was there for about

let me see 10 months and we ended up getting off with some Anna Larkats some Nazi lowriders okay can you say that again I don't understand what I was there for 10 months

until we ended up getting off with some Nazi lowriders what does that mean getting off with. Fighting melee. Okay. They rush me in the homeboy. You know.

Okay. Why? Any specific reason? I think that they feel offended, right? Because about two months before, we had to go get at them about being on our side of the yard, politics. And it was me and home. And we're both young, we're both scrauding.

We both have pale skin. So they're not liking that. You know, and they planned it. And we were doing the same program every day, which was part of our security procedures we're going to go get the reports from every building at the last yard so this was night yard

so every night we were doing the same thing we were going to this building and that building that building all the idea was watch what we were doing we're doing the same routine every day so I want to forget Matt it was me and another YouTuber a homie hangout rascal I'll never watch this channel

remember so we're walking and next you know all I know is I didn't hit this dude this big old They call him Tommy guns He just fucking takes off on me I get hit so fucking hard This is the one time That in prison where I got broken out

I got hit and I dropped I tried to get up again And hit me again I dropped So I had to do a somersault backwards To get on my feet And I'm a kid And so my punches were jello I was fighting to survive

Just to live another day You know same thing with him over there These dudes pretty much put hands on us Pretty bad man you know uh they had that man strength we were just fucking barely 18 19 at the time right and and six foot two and 135 145 pounds right yeah yeah yeah it'd be it'd be it'd be a fun outcome nowadays you know but you know um but then yeah you got to give it to them they gave it to us you know what I'm saying I'm not going to sit there a lot of dudes look they always win every

fight now we got broken off I mean I kind of broke the nose and they thought I was hit at first and I was pissed off though because I'd never been in a position where it was that bad where basically fucking just got dusted by some dudes pretty bad you know and I told myself I said I'm never going to let that happen again ever I'm always going to be like five steps ahead and I was ever since I was five steps ahead so what happened do you get you guys get thrown in the shoe I mean how do you cover that up like you know how do you not have that reported oh they got us they ran to the yard they put us in the handcuffs and took us to the whole right of the spot.

Yeah, because, you know, sometimes guys will get into a fight and then they'll try and stay in their cell or until the bruising goes down. They'll try, you know, and it never really works, but, you know, that kind of stuff. So they took us to the hole and that was it, went to our committee hearing, got found guilty, and then they sent sent me out.

They sent me to a prison called CMC East, which is in South of San Luis Obispo. And this is a trip. They came and did a special transfer. They transferred me out as a sole person by myself with two fresh officers in a car. I never experienced that ever. Like they even stopped in the middle of some small town called

Gilroy to let me use a restroom and they get out with the guns and let me go take a piss real quick. They bought me a soda and they were pretty cool. But they were trying to get information off me as we were taking the trip. And I think the reason why they did a single transfer was they were going to the state hospital which was, I think the Taskadero

to bring somebody back somewhere else. So he was just a matter of convenience. But at that time I felt special. so I get to this yard and you know I've already know that there's no really of my people there but I got to find out if there's any there so I go to R&R

and I ask them, you know, is there any northerners here and norther's I mean Nortenos and they said oh I think fuck man that's not a good sign right and I have this little Mongolia right here I mean like you know sure and I have my jab flats on I have this cold and stuff it's right

by the ocean now bear in mind I said I'm never going to it caught slipping again. So I go, I go to my cell. In a single cell, it's in an orientation spot on AQUOT. So when they pop is open, I go outside and these dudes come up to me and they're like smiling, right? They're like, oh, we don't play that here. And then they take off. I'm like, fuck, we don't play that here. So I go, I want to find out who these dudes are because I think they're my people. And if they're, you know, programming with certain enemies or, you know, allowing another group to dictate their program, there's the only be issue. That's not how we get down

So I get a secret from Blackie's like I go over there I start talking to this dude right And I ask him where he's from he goes Man I'm from Fresno I'm a bulldog That's like one of our number one enemies I'm like oh shit So I start to take off right

So these other guys come up to me And they They tell me like Hey man the South Siders are tripped off you Because you have a Mongolian You know what I'm saying They're gonna watch you The Sudeos want you to cut your town

I said I can shit we said uh you know uh we don't we don't play politics here and uh you know we like to do our thing we don't like to have problems here we're i told these things they go make get to step in you i mean so already knew i'm by myself and so as i'm coming across the yard i'm being called buster by these by these like skinheads and sudaos and i'm at the only northern around the fucking yard right they're talking shit over here over here and i'm nervous though and so finally some dude comes up to me and he's a christian he's from oakland from up north and he goes hey my family or Nortez-Aos, but, you know, I'm a Christian.

And I go, okay, that's cool. He goes, you got no homeboys here? I go, all right, he goes, you believe in the Bible? I say, yeah, but I'm not going to go that route because I respect that. Sorry, sorry, you knew what time I was. So when I was going to child, I didn't know what I was going to do, but I knew I was going to take off on somebody. So every time someone came too close, I was ready to jump.

And I was scared. You know, fear's going to make you react. Let's keep it real. I was in fear that that situation, anytime I could get rushed and stab, by any one of these dudes because that whole yard there's about 300 or 400 to look them

on that yard so I'm nervous I'm not gonna turn it's just you it's not gonna be good it's not gonna change there's no winning

in that situation no but it gets good though so I put a chow I remember two two young southsiders they came right by me I almost jumped right there

and they were tripping because it came too close to me so I'm in there I'm looking around everywhere like I don't know what to think you know like

fuck I couldn't even couldn't do anything you get the cladmy hand you get the ass is sweaty you start to have have farts and all that stuff you know those are the type of nerves i had right and so i'm going back in and i remember those dudes that were talking shit to me right you go off with tattoos all over his face right and i'm like oh right i'm gonna get this fucking dude i said i'm at least gonna wait i'm gonna get him last so when they jump on me i'll be

all right let me at least get one of them good so in there it was levels of floors so i went by where the seal was at and i was talking to the seal right and i seen as those guys came out i started stepping away from the CO and I went towards where they were coming as he was going up the stairs as he was the last one I took flight on him and I just dropped him to the floor right? Now I'm expecting to get jumped on. None of these

dudes jumped. Instead this dude came with pepper spray, pepper sprayed me do wrap the stairs, laid it down and getting a salt with battery on the yard. Okay. The salt with a battery on the yard. And so I'm tripping, man, because I'm thinking like, look how did I get away with this one?

because I should they should have gave me the business they should have and this dude whoever I took off on that was talking about all that shit he got scared when I took off on him and it was a programming yard nobody wanted to go to the hole I'm pretty sure being in the prisons like that where people talk a bill one but when it comes down to it they don't want to go to the hole they don't want to go to this other prison because maybe they have some issues they have to answer for it so they're going to try to prevent it they may act tough but when it's coming down down to it they're not going to bust a break right well from their um I

pretty much go to the hole. And I'm young, and I'm one of those ones that's pushing politics all the time and education. And I'm getting at certain homeboys that are there that this is out of the program I'm supposed to be. So some dude comes in from Salado, when I was in the hole in Salado that we had told to move on his roommate. And a dude refused to. He said he was going to do it. But when his roommate came back from classification, he didn't do it. So he's a PC.

So now he's in the hole, but he doesn't remember me. So I'm telling everybody in there what time I is with dude. And they're like, well, I believe you, but, uh, you. You know, I got to see the proof and all this stuff. I said, check this out. I go, I'm going to deal with dude. I'll deal with you. And this is like about two weeks after I already got caught the one battery.

So, they used to showers. This is the whole. This is different. They used to showers and groups of four. Right? So I made sure that I was the last one to go in, so I'd be the first one to get my cuffs off. I said, let this do go first. Jay, you get second and make sure the other dude, the low gets third.

So I get my cuffs up. not going to take off if I do with its cuffs still on. I'm going to wait. So I sat right there and I waited and as soon as the cuffs took off I just took off on them and they couldn't do nothing about it and it was bad because there was no gun tower in the section. They're not going to pop the door to go in there because they have to worry about their own security. So I had every which way I wanted to with this dude. His name was little local from Stockton just in Raleigh. So I was just needing them, dropping them, doing whatever I wanted to do with them that it got so, it got so boring that I stepped away, and that's when they just came

and dragged them out of there. Now, for that, I think I was 19 or 20 at the time. These, these correctional staffs, I had yet to go through any type of, you know, infliction of abuse or torment and all that, right? Or fucking them doing a power plate. They moved me off that tier, and they moved me to a whole other tier where they put me in the last cell on the only North Daniel. There's 43 cells this unit. Forty one of the one. them are Sudanials and two of them are NLRs. And they had me in the last cell. So every time I had to go to showers, anytime I had to go to legal law, yard, or anything,

these dudes used to talk shit through the fucking chair. They used to fucking try to gas me with piss and just, it was bad. I had to go through that for about a year. A year, year of basic retaliation on their part. And then they validated me as a gang member. Can I get the rest for real quick? Yeah, how does that work? How does, yeah.

I'll tell you right now All right So when I was there This was in 99 I believe Shoot 9 he was there No Okay He was in the medical word though

He was in Central and I wasn't there To other BQad But I was running to him sometimes But I'd go to visits Never really talked to him or anything But he was there at that time And same stuff was going on when I was there Matt like I told you

The retaliation by staff I ended up getting into it with his social warding I tried to kick over the table his name was McAllister So from there they put me in a management cell Which was a cell within the cell They stripped me down butt naked No mattress, right

No blankets, no running water For a whole fucking week They came in that day They go, okay, you know you're going to be in there a week Technically they were always supposed to keep me in there So I've seen a psych and let them make the determination But they made a determination based upon the fact that

I tried to kick over a table and I tried to fucking rush these social warden. My mom had drove all the way up there to visit me that weekend. Like 10, 12 hours, right? They turned her at the gate. Right? She wrote a letter about what happened

about the whole incident about the running water. How could she leave me in a cell with no running water and all this shit, right? They lied. They said that I incited the riot with a flood. You know what I'm saying? So they tried to cover their ass, man.

But they basically, from there, they put me up for an IG review. stuff came up What is that? Institutional gang investigation Okay So they were looking at me as a prison gang member And so

They put me up for review And they used some of the most pettiest step They could They used a Name and PFN number of someone That was my selling the county jail Before I ever watch prison You guys put me in the cell with them

How am I going to get validated For being in the cell with them? Right You know what I'm saying? They used that They used some stuff concept of leadership that I got from a book that I wrote out. They came from my actual book.

Not no in-structure. They used that. And they tried to use some, like, alleged letters. You know, you write other people at other institutions. And you write riddle. They tried to use that. But then it was really game-related. They had, like, 16. And they submitted

to Sacramento, and they validated me as a prison game. But I had to be there for about 13 months. okay so what what happened we had stopped where you said that they um made you a oh okay oh okay now i now i get it now i get it i'm feeling i just filled in the blinks right now yeah yeah that just made sense okay all right so so you're there so you're basically in the shoe well do they call it the shoe what you guys call it the hole what we call this okay there's only three shoes in california at that time there's pelican base shoe corporate shoe and and to ask me shoot.

All the other ones they call administrative segregation which is basically a shoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and you were there for 13 months? So are you alone for 13 months? You got a Sally?

No, Sally, hello. Do they give you books? Yeah, we get books. Okay, I was going to say. We had no hygiene on our commissary, you know. Hmm. I had to brush my teeth with two powder for a year. Fuck.

Oh, the other. No deodorant. No deodorant for a year. You know what I'm saying? That was terrible. I don't know how they're going to leave with it. I was in the shoe for like the longest. I was in the shoe several times, but the longest was like, I think, 45 days.

But listen, the shoe in the feds, you got a hot shower. You got a toilet sink combo. They're bringing, they're constantly coming up and down with books so you can read books. Yeah. Probably after about a month or so, I was like, bored of reading books because I didn't even have a cellie. They'd go by, they'd be like, Cox, you're taking a cell? And I'd be like, no, I really don't want a cellie. And then one day, after about a month or so, they came by.

They were like, Cox, you want a cell? I was like, fuck, yeah, put them in here. Like, I'm bored out of my mind after a month after just reading and reading. Because the first few weeks, I was like, this is not bad. You know, because you've got a shower. Like, you've got everything you need. You could get commissary. Like, not a bunch of commissary, but, you know, and you're reading.

It's like, fuck, I got to lay down and read. I can do pushups, lay down, read, take a shower. Like, fuck, this isn't that. bad. But listen, after a month or so, I can't imagine 30 times. I couldn't get a celly at the time, right? Right. And that was one of the first ones that be put on walk alone in California at that time when I hit the shoe yard for violence. So they weren't letting me go out to the group yard. They were putting me up on the group yard to go, but when they reviewed my C file, they seen all the assaults I had and stuff so they wouldn't put me after on the yard. So that was kind of a bummer. So I think

I did like 27 months that time. The last 27 months of the five years, I did basically isolate in the hole with no celly. I mean, let's face it though, bro. You brought that on yourself. I mean, you're, you know, go on. No, no, complain about it. Yeah. You know?

You know, it's like, what else are they going to do? Every time they put you in a general population, you're fucking trying to attack somebody. Yeah. So, or you're also just kind of being an attack. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, but I'm sure from the administration's point of view, they're like, fuck, you know, this guy's attacking people.

But really you're all, you're concerned about getting attacked. That's why I got to it with the associate warden When they said, well, why are you attacking people? I said, I didn't ask to come to this fucking, because back then, there was no such thing as PCs And half that yard was fucking PC. They'd send him anywhere. And that was the all point.

But we can't tell you, oh, I can't be on this yard because there's a bunch of dropouts on this yard. I can't tell them that. Right. You know what I'm saying? I got to go ahead on my business. And that's what was happening was I was sticking to the code. And I was kicking the salt after salt after salt.

We used to bone that. you know by the time I left there I had no way did I had to be any terrorist I had like three shoe turtles I had like a hundred or something points you know the problem with that is how many guys end up going to fucking prison for five years and it turns it'd be a fucking

20 or 25 year prison sinker I got lucky though I got lucky that I didn't you know what I mean I got like to get caught with anything uh this is a piece you know I mean because there was some instances that happened where you know I got away I don't talk about them right

there's a couple stabbing I did where I got away and um you know these ones were just batteries or fighting and all that so it wasn't as bad and you don't really lose much time off that but there's people like you said that they go in there with five years and the next thing you know they're doing life or they get killed nowadays like nowadays if you look at california department of corrections rehabilitation it's totally different than what i was in there they have more access to fucking cell phones drugs all this stuff out there and there's people getting killed left and right and it's not they're not getting killed by rivals, they're getting killed by their own people.

You know, some kid goes in there and owes some money on a fucking cell phone, and they're killing them over our own money on a cell phone. I was like, I've never heard of that shit before. You know, it's usually because the kid made a bad choice. So you're going to put the kid in a bad choice to where now you have to kill him by giving them a fucking cell phone. Makes no fucking sense.

You know, not once. They've done it three times at one dude, and they ended up killing them. The fucking, what you guys figured out the first time not to give the due to cell phone? Right. But, you know, they're hoping to put someone in a bad position to where they owe them. the money. Like some of these yards that these games are making like 50,000 to 100,000 a month now in California. That's a lot. There's nowhere near how it was when I was out there

at all. That's a lot of fucking money. Um, well, so what happened? You got out. Well, what happens when you get out? I'm going to, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you didn't get a job. No, he's telling used cars. No, I didn't. It did get a job. Yeah, no, but I have a feeling you didn't fucking. I worked to you guys. No, no, I was a courier for the real estate company, which is kind of kickback. You know, I dropped off all the loan docs and all that.

And then I was doing loan processing. Okay. So my mom was a real estate broker. My sister was a sales rep entitled. And then my wife at the time I ended up getting married to was a junior escrow officer. So I had ties in the real estate. And I was going to start a career company,

you know, when you have to drop off the, you know, titles and all that to get them put to record it or this and that. I got familiar with the real estate stuff, right? And so I was doing that, which was cool because I could be carrying a package for a title company at the same time I could be curing some other product. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying?

So I did play a game right off top, you know, with the prison gang. Right. But I came out there. I was told I was on probation. And I got pulled into a prison gang at the time. I was a newest other awesome member. And then I became an NF associate, Neustra for media associate, right?

And I was out there to function on the streets. And so back then, you had to go out there and you were put on probation. You had to get a job. You had to get a license, get insurance. Show your processor that you're doing good before they would even let you function with a regiment. And a regiment's kind of like a crew for the mob,

for the mafia kind of like, this is just Hispanic games. So I did all that. And within like three, four months, I said my number in and I get contracted by an individual name he was telling me his name was Daniel, Danny.

He ends up being the high profile and forming in Operation Black Widow, right? The big indictment that the NF had, the Duke Casper that you sit on Gangland. Right. Him, he's the one that plugged me in. He's dead now, passed away about two years ago, but he's the one that plugged me in

with another individual named Chico Roles. All these he just get caught in Operation Black Widow and they'll flip. you know what I'm saying so I had two dudes that were ready to hay mail to dry even though I was young in my career and so that was how my introduction into what the prison gang stuff was like on the streets it was all about money that's all was a little and there was you can trust nobody and it just got worse and worse so how does that I mean how does that for first of all you you had a regular job as a courier service like why are you still fucking with the gang

Because I committed myself to do it. That obligated myself. I bet they commit me before I parole. So I have to. If not, then they're going to want to kill me. No, this is all bad, bro. It's just all bad. No, it is.

It is all bad. I mean, you know, there's, okay. So, and your wife, what is your, and, I mean, your wife understands this and knows this. My wife was young. She was only like, when we got together, was when I got out. I think I was 23. she was 19

So does she not understand? She just she understood She just respected it You know She was she was I got her a job with my sister So she was all this was new to her She went from fucking you know

Ready getting out of high school Fucking at Little Caesars To now she's working out at a title company She's making good fucking money She worked her ass off So I would try to keep her away from that life As best as much as I could You know what I'm saying

There work understood what I did and see for the most part let me do what I needed to do so what what's happening at what point do the the cops or the was it like a gang task force get on on your case or you know well they were on me the whole time man but end up catching a case to go back to prison right and it was over another NF member that got out to the streets and he was just off to something hook he was just he was slam and meth and doing all this stuff that you're not supposed to do and just one of those dudes that's just treacherous

he was a treacherous dude he's a type of dude that would tie a whole family up and shit like that right and he wanted he wanted to go kidnap his cousin and hold him for ransom

because he had used his social security number while he was in prison this is the level of his thinking and then he's trying and he's trying to get at these connects I know right and talking about

yeah well those they're talking about snatching of people's kids and holding for ransom to focus some of the drug connects out there I'm like no I don't want to know part of this shit and so he wanted to get his cousin

and I remember whenever we gave him the gun. First he was upscaldi, and I got him in contact with some cats from Salinas, right? But he wanted to go back and do this holiday because he wanted to get this money. So next to you know, I'm at my house and I look up at the fucking screen

and there he is fucking his picture. One of her attempted carjapping, kidnapping. And next you know, he's walking through my fucking door. And he has on a garage unit for him, like the mechanics. Right. So, you know, and it was just one of those crazy stories.

I remember before he had this, he had this young chick that he was waiting in a turn 18 that was running around with him, right? Okay. And she and, and her friend, some gay guy. So this was fucking, I'm watching that NF member was supposed to be a fucking

criminal organizational game member, and he's doing, and he's doing all the shit that you're not supposed to be fucking doing. I'm like, what the fuck, man? Like, this shit isn't fucking right. I remember telling him to get out of my house with all this shit. So I remember this gay dude picks him up

with a young chick. And this dude was very abusive in prison towards people. You know what I'm saying that we're lower rank. me and him we just got along right i got left for a man but some of the stuff he showed me was just the wrong way i'll just tell you that i'll never forget he's he's fucking yelling at him in the back of the car they're out thank you for you motherfucking whoa whoa i'm like fuck i better get out of here so i take a cap to get my other car and we go to a motel and then they hit the motel and when they

hit the motel uh i wasn't able to flush on my drugs and then the cops knew me and they were there for him they wanted to him and stuff right Yeah, I was going to say they're out there coming for him, though. You don't know that, though? You don't realize that. I kind of knew it afterwards. You still got to get rid of everything. Yeah, I couldn't find everything.

She opened the door before I was ready. And I had my nine-month-year-old daughter at the time in the room and stuff, right? The drugs were around her. I wasn't using no drugs or anything around here. And so the cop comes in, and he knows me. He's named his officer, Secura. He's now a lieutenant. He used to be a gang task force 20 years before.

And so he goes, hey, you know, I go, man, you ain't heard my name out there. He goes, well, I heard you know fucking Luis Gonzalez. That was dude's name. We told. I'm like, fuck. And they're like, well, ma'am, you know, we'll let you go if you tell us where's that. Well, I don't know where's that. You'll let me go.

And so they started trying to fucking interrogate me. I don't know what you guys are talking about, this and that, right? And then they just put me in the cop car. They tried to interrogate my wife at the time. And they told her that I told them that I knew where he was at, that they were going to take my daughter. told him I didn't care if they were going to take my daughter I was going to do this and that they just tried to fucking pump fear to her and um they asked her if she knew where he was at and she denied she said no so she ends up getting released I go to jail and so she's 19

our daughter's maybe like seven months old she goes to the house she calls up homeboy because at that time we had to call our IDs remember on the phone you didn't have cell phones yet He tells him like, hey, get out from where you're at. The cops search his house. They got every number on this phone. They're probably going to hit up every place. So he was able to get away because of her calling him up. Okay, so she went from there to like two counties away.

Say like two counties and a state away. And since she gets there, they fucking, here comes the cops sitting in my mom's house. Right. And that's when they started to threaten her to take my daughter, all this stuff that talking about that I'm a prison gang member and that, I'm part of this and part of that and that she should just leave me and you know tell us where he's at the other guy

and she doesn't know anything they keep on threatening to take my daughter in so finally they leave a couple days later right they try to call her by the phone to threaten her well they did after the cops left my mom had her noir license right as did her partner

right who owned the the real estate branch right they would have notified giving my custody to my mom. So when the cops were making those threats, we said, you can't. We already give them custody to my mom. Right. When they're threatened the arrest her, she goes, where do I got to go? They told her to go to the Burger King right there in San Joseon on Peter's

Border. They never showed up. So we got over on that one, but they tried to pump as much fear on that, you know. You know, that's what type of, my first wife, that's how she was. You know, she didn't want to be part of life stop, but she knew what she needed to do. You know, and, yeah, that was that one incident right. there. So what's, what's happening with you? You're, they've got you, um, at what, the county jail? At the county jail. So, so I ended up running, taking over the county jail. All the OGs are over here in the old jail though. And it's just a section called, uh, what was it,

Little Max. And so I'm trying to get over there. And so I'm having her go visit over there. And I'm having ever find a phrase to go visit. So I'm in communication with them. And so I end up getting moved by classification down there and I bail out when I bail out I go to my hearing for the case and they put me on the stand for a Romero motion which is to dismiss your strikes

now my own attorney got me out of the fucking stand and said aren't you a prison gay member or validated this one and I did not expect this and he's trying to justify that to the courts why I couldn't go into drug treatment programs or anything like that that was going to help my case

so I'm on a stand not expecting And so I'm like, no prison game member. Isn't your fucking motto, blood in, blood out? I'm like, fucking, hey, this shit sounds like a fucking movie. It was like more than what it really was. Right. I was out on the streets, Bell. I mean, I was out for about two months out on Bell.

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So, I mean, back to your lawyer. Like, doesn't he understand that you're going to deny all that? Did he think you were going to admit to it, or did he just want it on the record? I don't know what he was thinking, to be honest with you. I didn't expect it, man. Like, you know, I wasn't even ready for the hearing that day. You know, I think he just wanted to get rid of me as a client, probably. You know, we've got his buddy's work.

Let's see if I can, let's see if we can get them off or not. You know, and that's what happened. So how much time did you get? 32 months. 32 months. Where'd you do that time? Corprian. With the Sanquin and then corporate again.

Okay. Same mobile chain. So what happens while you're there? I mean, nothing just. With prison politics, the prison politics. I was running San Quentin for a minute at that time. I was the RST over there. Got to corporate, and it was pretty much kick on back.

We didn't have really no issues at that time, like politically. And I was right there with the pot I was in was basically headquarters because that's where the regiment commander was. So we had no issues. It was an easy program. I already knew the routine. I already knew what needed to be done. So I was just there doing my job.

I was actually the maestro, which is teacher, for all the North Daniels that were there. So all the young Northerners or even older Northerners, I was the one that was schooling all of them doing their education, which is we haven't read essays, given topics, discipline,

whatever it may be. We had a whole phase list that each North Daniel had to go through while they were there, which was different educational phases. So every North Daniel was on a different page. So it was a lot of work for me. But it kept me busy, though.

You know, and with that, I was doing the legal law, and then I was studied at the time there's a stock market so that was my next thing that I wanted to do when I get out there with all the illegal money I was trying to make, right? Right.

I was how to diversify my portfolio and do all that stuff, man. I had like fucking plans, you know what I mean? Which they were working for a minute, right? But when you get a pro violation and you have your money invested in penny stocks, it's not always a good idea when you can't sell. Right.

You know? So I lost a lot of money on penny stocks when I was playing, you know. Um, okay. So, I mean, what happens? So you, do you get back out? Like, it's, it's uneventful when you go in. I mean, nothing happens. You get back out. Your wife still? I get back out to the streets and I go back to doing my own thing again, which is, you know, your wife was down with you the whole time. Yeah. Man, that's, that's, that's a solid chick. Yeah. So, you know, doing the same day, I had, I had my own little crew. So I had a little bit more jurisdiction. And, you know, we were extorting people, selling dope, all the stuff that you think of any type of organized crime on the streets. You know, every month I had to submit a certain quota, you know, for how much I produced. And then it just gets political on the streets as well, though, man. And, you know, there was a lot of hate, a lot of jealousy. Everybody's campaigning against each other or, you know,

a lot of betrayal. Just, I got one of those situations where one of these dudes, was a young old boy in mind he ended up trying to he had issues with me because for a minute when he was younger he was from a hood called B&M which is basically a second generation of my hood based in the sense right and he was younger and he was younger and he was younger I smacked the shit out of him when he was younger one time

you know and he ended up being my little homeboy though and when he was locked up I seen his wife who was my home girl I gave her money for diapers and stuff like that me and my wife would see her talk to her and what that and he gets out And he just, he wanted what I had, the position I had, the leadership I had. He wanted to be who I was. And so when he came out, I didn't want him to work with me.

So I directed him to work with somebody else. Because at that time, a lot of people who were paroling, they would get in contact with me in that area to who they were going to work with. So I put him with some O.G. So what are we doing? What's going on? What happened? Well, I guess we're talking about the guy I tried to sexually solve my wife. Oh, shit.

Well, at that time, since 2001 to 2006, you know, I went in for about 25 months for a little bit, but I was out from the streets, generated a lot of money, involved a lot of different criminal activities, right? Everything from extortion to laying people down, to drug dealing, whatever it may have been, right? Taxing people, finding people, whatever the organization asks me to do. Go out there and debt collect, I debt collect it. So, at this time, I was being grilled for a certain position to take over out there in the streets and being recruited as an F member at the time. And so people were touching base from different prisons with me and people that were coming out were being sent to me.

And I put him with an existing crew that they were going to be part of. So I put him basically with the crew with a dude that was a leader because he was a knucklehead, but he was my homeboy. Now, we were already having the issues real quick out there in the streets because where my area was at, he was out there trying to do business. and so one time I showed up to a trap spot which a trap spot is where you have people that are making your money right there right recently in my house I go in there

and get the money and my wife's there with me and I get dropped off over there and then he asked me if he can get a ride with my wife I have no problem with that I give his lady a ride home or anything so in the process of that happening she was pissed off at me

and she said let's smoke that joint you know spark that joint and he told her honestly I'm going to fuck the shit of you. She goes, you want to get killed? She was, nah, we're the ones taking care of shit on the streets, man, that I'll have her killed for trying to cross him up. And then he tried to sexually grab her, right? She didn't tell me at first. She thought that I put him up to try, try doing this stuff, right?

So when I found out, I flipped. I was like, I'm going to kill this dude. You know what I'm saying? Went to the homeboy, told him what happened. He says, okay, let's get this dude, right? I said, we can't. He's working with Lancho, who's a high-ranking member. We have to go through him. Now, this dude's promising Lancho that he can do this, that his ladies connected to the cartels and all this shit, right? So he's presented himself as like the Golden Goose, right?

So I'm requesting that we whack this dude, take him out because this dude is not even a member. And let's just say, no, hold up. You know, we'll deal with it in due time. I'm like, this is my wife, bro. Like, she's done nothing but helped the organization. She's not even a member. She doesn't believe in that of this shit,

but she does what I tell her. and it became one of those um i took it really personal man like here i am i made sacrifices i've caught time i've done what everything i'm supposed to do right this dude is disrespects my wife and you're telling me i can't handle my business so i was going to handle my business anyways but i seen them i was going to go against the grain and then i ended up getting caught up on the case and that's when uh the gang investigative units talked coming to see me and talking about that they were trying to put a green light on me for a minute i'm like green light I guess because I was pushing issues out there because I had requested all kinds of

stuff I'd say okay I brought up certain people's days I brought up Chucco's name and everybody else's name in regard to my wife you know I mean and I was pressing certain things I guess that they felt that uh you know being young right that they didn't like it they didn't like what they were hearing you know what I'm saying so I was becoming a problem um I would study though at that time the dude that when I rec that I had the issues with that assaulted my wife ends up coming to DVI, Tracy. I'm running the whole prison at that time.

I had to have him dude hit, right? So can I ask a question real quick? Yeah, go ahead. What sentence did you get to get you there? Like what? Now, Salis APD had a whole. They were trying to get me to work with him.

They just let the parole violation up. They didn't file charges on me yet. Okay, so they're just trying to get you kind of hemmed up and off the street. So they had me up in the streets, and I had to be contemplating whether I was going to work with them or not because of the situation. And so I ended up dealing with dude, and at that point, I'm like, man, I had to go through all this, and I ended up dealing with him, and now it's okay, because he owes this dude money. And at that time I was done, I was like, I'm cool. I can't fuck with none of these dudes.

There's no loyalty. The betrayal, like, the whole situation with my wife ruddy wrong, you know what I'm saying? And I caught a case because of how I felt about that situation. and when I found out that they were trying to put a green light on me I'm like dude I don't know these dudes nothing you're saying these guys over here condoning the dude that should be on Megan's law a sexual predator well you're one distinct and then if you're okay with it why did I have to wait till he owed you money and now you're saying he's all bad for me to fucking have him hit he should have been hit off top so I felt disrespected and

I was like you know what fuck these dudes and so part of getting out that's when the gang investigated unit and the FBI came and got got at me and I flipped you'm saying I started I said fuck these guys but I'm gonna go out you're gonna have a brilliant out on me anyways so I might as well go after the same dudes that disrespected me and my wife and that's exactly what I did right well listen real quick what happened you said the dude the guy showed up at the prison that you were running he shut up saying you put the head out on him well there's no hit on him right when he got there I used other reasons to have him hit he said that he was he said that he had status right which he didn't have because I remember

telling him that. That was one. And number two, he was speaking bad on an NFL member son. The dude that he was working with, he was speaking bad on his son. So I utilized all those to have to green light him to have him hit. None of it had to do with what happened with my wife. Because if I would have it did that, it would look too personal. But it was personal. Right. I was going to have him hit. One way to get hit. I was going to find a way to have him hit. You know what I'm saying? It would have been justified. So he gets hit. He goes to PC. and yeah I could say okay you know what everything's all good now but I was like nah fuck this shit you know and at that time I'd already taught to them so I already knew pretty

much that was going to eventually come out if I decided if we can't so um that's what is the FBI say what do they say when they come to you they basically um you know they already knew who I was right from Operation Black Widow and they asked me what my agenda was I said my agenda was to get these people right here off. I said, you know what? It's revenge, basically. Because I could have took down a whole lot of people, but it ended up only being three. Within two months, they ended up catching the, they ended up cutting off the investigation short

because at that time I was playing both sides. I was talking to them, the feds, the DEA, all of them, right? But at the same time, still going out there committing crimes. So this isn't in the prison. So street's out. Okay. The parole. So when I paroled I was initially working with

They had all these departments that were working And so they ended up trying it as a state case And it was only three cases And they tried to have me to do more I wouldn't do it Because I said that this is personal You know what I'm saying? This has nothing to do with just me

I wasn't trying to get out of no time I didn't care for us any of the time Because they caught me with a gun And some dope right Right piece of meth and a gun And they were watching me When they caught me It was speechless surveillance

and so when I went to Grand Jury Testimon I ended up doing three different control buys one for a PCP one for a gun

and then one for like a pound of meth you know what I'm saying and I turned over the safe that we had about the dope and when I went to the grand jury right which was a trip

because they had me in a motel and it was like the fucking movies they'd have fucking like me get into a car with another cop car behind me and another cup car in front of you used to go to testify

and shit right I was like this isn't that big of a deal but it just spot against three people on control guys and they got indicted. And the interesting thing about it was none of the cases that they built off me did these guys really get any time. But once they got caught up and they were behind the walls, they started doing this on the phone and doing deals. They got caught out a whole different indictment that caught them up. Right. You know, that got them a bunch of time. Yeah. So I testified in grand jury and, you know, I remember the questions

that they asked me, the DA said, you know, were you offered any time? I said, nah, I wasn't offered any time or anything. I'm not tripping up the time I got to do. I did this because of the disrespect betrayal that was done on to me and my family. You know, my wife being sexually soft and you guys just slept the neck like it's okay? No, it ain't okay. Fuck you guys. And so, I don't believe really in snitching or anybody doing that, but I don't judge anybody that does, you know what I'm saying? Because look at what I did. You know what I'm saying? And I don't try to just, I don't try to justify it, but I don't have no regret that I did it either, though.

Right. Look at those guys that they're no different off to the sexual predator. If you're okay with my wife being sexually assaulted, then you're no better off to the fucking sexual predator yourself. Because how up you should have been like, no, let's get this dude. And that's when I finally realized that that lifestyle was not about any loyalty. It's about every man for himself. You know, and so I went out with a bank.

You know, that was in 2007, shit, 17 years ago. you know and I've been away from that life for a lot of time I started for a minute I went back into an addiction for a while right after I was in the what do you call the it's not the it's like a relocation program they don't change your identity or nothing they just put you in a place away from your home they take care of your rent for a little bit I was only in that for one month right got kicked out okay now that's that a rule very well. I was just, I was young and hard-headed. And so I could have been in that program for like

six years, believe or not. You know, and I could have got my rent paid and worked and did all this shit, but I didn't. So they had it for a month. So next thing you know, I'm just out there on the streets doing the same stuff I was doing before, but without having any prison obligations and stuff, man. And it wasn't until my, my youngest son got put in CPS care. And I had been with some other chick and she was kind of a drug addict herself right that's when everything changed that's when I started like you know what man if he needs somebody to be there for so I started doing all the things I was I was CPS that was a perfect fucking the best dad that they ever had they wanted me to do a parent partner program where I talked to their dads here I am you know ex-prison

game member tattoos ex-fell and all this stuff I got the reunification services my son gave it to me before the mom first right right within that we had that we had services for a year

after they were done she ends up relapsing I ended up filing for full custody I had full custody I had full custody my son in 2018

so here I had fucking doing all the stuff I was going into programs I was going to you know church every week I was donating

time at the school doing all the stuff that I never did before with my two other daughters you know what can I interrupt real quick

what happened to your first wife because of all the stuff she left okay yeah she left you know she hasn't even dated anybody or got married or anything ever again you know it was a it was a rough situation you know um yeah she's she's still out there you know um my daughter's all grown up they're all adults now my daughter's a straight-a student you know other ones in high school so they're doing good to themselves but i wasn't in their lives like i should have been that i have a great and that was because i was badly my

on demons after leaving the gay lifestyle like there's a lot of regrets still because that's all I knew my whole life was the gang's lifestyle and the crimes and now here I'm changing it trying to be a better person you know it was it wasn't until later on that I was able to fulfill that then I started being a better parent then I ended up full custody of my youngest son you know I was doing all those things and then COVID happened and that's what kind of changed a lot of things in my life was the COVID thing um because I had custody my kid at the time I wasn't able to go to meetings and meetings kind of got scaled for a minute

and so I found YouTube to be another outlet that's trying to help you. Yeah, I was going to say, where were you living at this time? Did you go right back to the same old neighborhood? I mean, it was in the Bay Area, but nowhere close. Okay. Yeah, because I was wondering if you were concerned about retaliation.

First time, I was only 10 minutes from my neighborhood. I was out there. There was attempts on my life out there. You know what I'm saying? But I was ready for whatever came my way. care. You know what I'm saying? It was like a, how you say it? I was ready to go there, put it that way. You know what I'm saying? The influenced by the drugs and all that too, that kind of made me not really give a fuck out there. Later, you know, once I got off the drugs,

I started to care and that's when I started to try to be, parent, started to do everything different. And I wanted to help people because you learn about the best spiritual solution you have for yourself is when you're helping others. So that's what I started to sponsor man and I had commitments and I had all kinds of stuff going on and then COVID happened. So that's how I got involved in the YouTube stuff. I was watching the videos

Prison Gank stuff and then there was a friend that had a channel and he read his book on there and I'm in the book. I'm like, fuck, I could do this shit too. So next you know, I started the YouTube channel. And here we are now. Right. So how long, what year was that? 2018 or 19? It doesn't 20.

20. Okay. Yeah, because the early 20 was COVID. Okay. So how long did it take for you to do that? Was it like in the middle of the year? I was working with one channel called The Stories Read by a Current Prisoner. That's your buddy. That's my buddy. I was working with him and I brought some other people on.

And then we, one of two of us elected to start our own channel too. So that's when we had a common perspective. It was just me and another guy at first. Okay. You know, what happened? What happened to him? I think the first year was really good money. I think the second year we started to see a decline.

right and you know there was we weren't out of the same page and just he wanted to just do something different he wanted to work so the one that kind of started all the stuff he didn't mind giving me the channel you know what I'm me so even though he put just as much work into the channel you know I tell him that all the time but um you know there's only enough to really make for one person really to make it on this channel at that time because we weren't getting to the support there's a lot of hate when you start doing a YouTube channel you start to succeed yeah we were having lives where we were having like lies our lives were fucking classic we're making 500,000 dollars lives all the time people were just enjoying it we had people joking around next you know

you have to hate next thing you know everything you say people hold you to it you can just say one little thing and people were gonna fucking remember that and if you change your mind on that you're this and that you're a liar you're fucking bullshitter it's one out there's so much fucking there's such fucking assholes out there it's like yeah it's bad you know i had it got to the point so they were attacking my my wife well i ended up being remarried. They were attacking her. They were attacking me. They attacked my kids. All kinds of shit. They didn't have no fucking boundaries.

I'd never seen nothing like it. And I think it's other YouTube channels that were doing it, to be honest. Everybody's a badass in the comment section, you know? Honestly, typically, when I come back and respond to people, 90% of those people, like, and I'm not talking about violence. I mean, they're just calling you names or saying fuck stupid shit. And you just, I just address them. And a lot of times they're like, bro, I didn't mean nothing by that. I've been drinking. Or, you know, they start backpedaling immediately.

These were trolls. These were people like, you know, it's this guy, we got real nasty. I never seen nothing like it, man. And a lot of it was, they were associated with people I used to associate with. Because there were certain stuff that was put out there that only they knew. Right. You know, and then you see the all different sides. Like, I came into this not to fucking troll people or to attack people.

I trolled humans to try to help people and made me try to take a step back. And I was like, it changed my outlook about YouTube for a little bit. It's hard to, it's hard to help people on air, you know what I'm saying? or be of service. So I try to help people offline. I have better, better results. You know what I'm saying? So I don't try to cater myself

to be a positive channel or any of that. I'm a channel. It's entertainment. It's information. Whether it's talking about gangs, interviews, whatever it may be. It is what it is. And so no matter what,

you're always going to have someone that's going to critique what you're doing. You know, I'm always going to get fucking attacked for fucking when I flipped. Right. Rat, whoa, whoa, what's like, you're going to tell that to my face, are you? you know what I'm saying

the whole thing that gets me on that is this everybody will be quick to use that but no one says anything about why I did it. They don't talk about the fucking sexual assault. They don't talk about none of that. You know what I mean? To me, that's more of an issue that look, these dudes allow it. They're just like a predator. Fuck these dudes.

Well, it's that I think people say that to make themselves feel better. Like they can elevate themselves. It's a way to elevate themselves over you. They don't know what the situation. You know how many times I've talked to somebody who talks about, you know, oh, this guy's a rat and this guy's rat.

And you're like, okay, you cooperated. And they're like, yeah, but it was different. You don't understand what happened. Well, that's the same. It's always different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I get it. Everybody has the same excuse, right?

So it's like, you know what it? If you want to be in the streets, it's not acceptable. That's just the point of way. Right. Do I care? I don't care. You know what I mean? It's what it is.

I mean, listen, like to me, when I made that decision, it was like 12 years off of my sentence. and periodically somebody may call you a rat or you do the 12 years and people say that's a stand-up guy there was no decision I made that decision so quick I was like I'll take fucking you can call me a rat

every once in a while I'm not going to do 12 extra years fuck that yeah no no so and then it's and then it's like you know the other thing is I love it when people say you're a lying piece of shit no no no

I told the truth You're a lying rat No, I'm an honest rat You're lying See, I get told that You're a dropout, you're this nest Like look, man I function on the highest level

You can You know, I was part of the organization How are you going to sit there And tell me what the life's about When I've lived it I have nothing I have no actions to cry Against the organization

It's me against those individuals Who two are already no good They've already fucked up off their own Only one still in good standards But So I have to have have no access to grab with the previous group, you know what I'm saying? I don't try to fucking support or go against them, you know what I mean? It is what it is. What do you

channel, sorry, what is your channel focus on? What do you focus on on the channel? Well, see, when it comes to, like, the prison gang stuff, a lot of people call me the historian. Like, I know a lot about everybody, you know what I was involved with like Mexican mafia members, NLR, you know, NFs. So a lot of it is just about prison stories. I have some people come on to do interviews. Sometimes I'll do some historical stuff like, you know, what happened during this incident. Sometimes I'll bring a common topic up. And then sometimes I'll do current events, but with current events, I'm very careful because it involves criminal cases that are current. So I'll probably put out there what is not going to affect anybody in their case. Like I used

the word alleged at times. But even if you speak on a case, it's all hearsay. People don't realize that. You can talk on an open criminal case as long as you're not part of it. And anything you say is only hearsay. None of it can be used in court. People forget about that. And they should talk about it from a point that you were involved, then they can use that.

But if you're just speaking, okay, this is hearsay, this is what I feel or think or how it looks. It's only hearsay. But I'm still a little bit, how you say, selective on that

because, you know, I don't want to wake up any other giants that maybe have issues with what I do. Right. I like to keep the channel diverse. You know,

I've had rappers on. I've had, you know, actors, I've had everything on there. So there's no limitations. I've had cops on here, other game members, rivals, everything, and I've had my stories. So it's just a perspective of the life that I lived through my eyes, what I experience, what I see.

Everybody has their own truth of what they went through and what they've seen. And so when I speak, I speak only from what I know and what I see. Yeah. Hey, so how many videos a week do you put out? Anywhere from like three to like 10. Because I have another reaction channel, but that's just small. I'm just, I'm waiting to get some more equipment because, like, you know, I'll briefly talk about this. I'm out on bail right now.

Okay. You know, they mentioned that. Two aggravated assaults, is I'm saying. I'm not going to talk about it because I've not gave no statements. I go to court this Friday and I may be going to trial soon. You know? But they have offered me a deal down to two years bottom, four year top. And this is on a case where I allegedly shot two people they're saying.

So two years, four years, it tells you something that they're offering me that already. kind of tells you about the case. Right. I'll leave it there. So, yeah. So that's where I'm at today. And I want to get back to the stuff I used to him, which was all like a message, you know?

Like, YouTube's easy to get, you get consumed in it. I don't know if you go through that. Sometimes I get consumed in fucking my old past. Like, okay, flocco. I'm not really flocking in real life off of YouTube on fucking William. I'm somebody totally different.

Or I want to be something different. But sometimes I get, I get caught up in this ultra ego of who I used to be, that I'm that old person sometimes right after I come out of doing these videos. And I don't see it, but I've been pointed that out a few times. Yeah, I, you know, what's funny is when I started doing YouTube, there were so many things that I would see other YouTubers do that I just thought, that's just so stupid.

Like, these guys are consumed by this whole thing. That's ridiculous. But then you start putting out the videos. And then you start putting in the work. And then you start realizing like, like, you know, like it gets consuming because you're like, I've worked so hard for this. There should be a 50,000 video, 100,000 view video. Why do I like, yeah, I go to that too.

Like, I brought in some fucking key enemies. Like, I go, I know this is a beggar. Why not getting the views I deserve? Or how many have you done where you've done a video and like, as soon as we get off, I'm like, eh, that's like, it wasn't all that. That wasn't that great. You know, whatever. That won't get any views.

And then boom, it gets fucking 60,000 views or 70,000. I'm like, are you fucking serious? That was a horrible fucking story. It's a horrible video. I see this all the time. The algorithms like women. I can't figure out either. Yeah.

Exactly. I've tried everything. I've tried to fucking, and I don't, you don't need to put the fucking hashtag or nothing. I put out videos with no hashtags. I think it's 100,000 views. Yeah. Then I put the one that's perfect. You know, I think, okay, this is the video.

Look at the title. The thumbnail looks good. Okay, this is going to go. Right. time. Nobody's hard right now. It's going to hit the algorithm. Fuck. Five hundred views an hour. I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, man. I, I, you know, I don't know. Whatever. We'll see. You know, it's funny too because everybody, the first thing everybody asks is how many subs do you have?

Like you said, subs don't mean anything. The subs are just bragging rights. So if you could say, oh, I got 200,000 subs, like people are like, oh, wow, they're impressed. But you could have 200,000 subs, your videos are getting 3,000 views, and you're making no money, and I know guys that have 20,000 subs, and every video they put out gets 100, 200,000. Like, I'm like, why don't you have more subs? I know, I know some dudes where when you watch them, get their views, you're like fucking, how the fuck are they getting these videos too? Yeah. Seriously. You know what I mean? I like different channels. I like, you know, I like different types of content, but I, if you have 200,000 subscribers like you, right? Right. She'd at least get 25,000 every fucking video.

wouldn't you yeah that would be nice right not the way it is my I go to these 10,000 per video but it doesn't happen at one point we were hot it was every video was over 10,000 every video but that's that just like you said that's the algorithm like you said you you guys were doing really good for a while then it kind of it cooled off and then it'll come back up and I have like two months where it's like fuck this is it bro like we're doing great and we have two months where it's like Jesus bro then you see those that just take off and they keep on going you're like, what the fuck they got that I got right now? I've had videos where we put out the video and it got 8,000 views, 10,000 views.

Three months later, in a week it gets another 20,000. And then a week later, it gets another 30. And then again, next thing you know, within two months, it's got a hundred or, it's got 90 or 100,000 views. And you're like, what happened in the interim of that two months that suddenly it took off? Yeah, I've had that happen too. Like, I'm not watching it. I go get the video.

That's 40,000 views. Where did it get those views? it's insane i mean yeah you just can't like just like you said it's i can't figure it out but so i'm just going to keep doing what i'm doing because at this point it's paying my bills i like doing it i like talking to you know the guys that i get to talk to you know i think it's it's you know it's great and it's great to get these you know where these guys even though i don't even try and do this where these guys are like bro like you know you got me through a tough time in my life or what you said was inspirational or i look up to you and to me i'm not trying to be

be inspirational at all. But it is still pretty cool when someone says, wow, bro, like, I watch that video and that fucking, you know, that really moved me. Like, that really got me through a tough period of time or whatever it was. That's, you know, that's a good feeling. Yeah, because the thing about

you do you do that's great is you get to push your narrative, your story, your truth of which you walk people to the air, this is your brown. And that's why, I try to respect every other YouTube out there, but it doesn't mean if they always give the respect to which are. No. Yeah.

Well, how do you, how do you feel about the, how do you feel about this interview? It's good. Anything else want to go over? I'm good. Is there any questions you want to ask? Are you sure? Yeah. No.

I mean, I'm obviously, I'm curious about the case, but, you know, we talked about it before. And, you know, you obviously don't want to get into it. So I totally understand that. You can't because of the attorney stuff, you know. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's a weak case, though, man. You know, it's a one shot, hit two people. So it's a self-defense case, basically.

Yeah, I get it. So we got to see what happened. You know, pretty much this person was wanting to attack you for some time and tried to attack me. Right. You know, even though I'm not supposed to have a gun, I'd rather have one than not have one sometimes. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. If you liked the interview, please do me a favor. go to the subscription

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