Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - WES WATSON Is Going Back To Prison!? | FULL LEGAL BREAKDOWN

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

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His cell phone catches away. Shamed. Dan, your ground, has disappeared at this point. Once you're charged, it's a problem. He could do a few years. So the whole thing kind of started with, that the trolls were getting the better of them. Actually, the one thing was, we rolled it right back.

I don't know if you remember, you know, Jeff Nipper is? No. So Jeff Nipper is a science-based, you know, YouTuber. And he's got, you know, four million, a three-million, whatever, subscribers. he's at a beef with his other guy with his other not you not signed space lifter and this guy used to do that says you know he's outspoken mike van wick outspoken big ass dude tattoos oh i'm you know used to used to um you know uh he was a he was a security for drake and anyway incident happens they're in the gym you know one too many times together mike walks by jeff

Jeff sees him well Mike goes and does his own thing Mike Jeff takes his care man is like come me see the see the video like John Bravo covers all this and I know this too I know it's too very well and then he goes up to him with his camera and Mike's already told him like stay the hell away from me like he doesn't like him like Jeff already knows Mike does not like him and Mike's one of one of those fuck around and find out type of guys right goes up to him with his camera and then Mike just gives him up, you know, to the, basically like a throat push slash slash punch, whatever, and then sends this kid flying and then goes on him again, pushes him again, yada, yada, yada, that blows up. He goes online. Jeff tiggles, it goes online, takes a picture

of him at the, at the getting a CT scan, you know, whatever. That's kind of suss. And so there's a big feud now about Jeff, you know, the, you know, this big, this big guy pushing this small guy and Mike's not apologizing so we have this like everyone divided taking sides so Mike's got all the people in the one side being like effron and find out you know I I said I was like oh countability countability everyone could have done something and not this happened period so it's all happening and then all of a sudden your boy what's his name um Wes comments about it and he's like he puts a video like so there's this guy name this guy you know i think jeff whatever and he's at the gymny f's around with

this other guy big mike and mike hits me you know what he just got to do it's like he should he should have he should have actually beat he should have went even further you fuck around you find out blah blah blah blah blah and then that's when the kind of the spark gave us a little more attention because this thing is like going going bonkers right there's there's videos on videos of this thing and then john brothers a video on him and does you know does a video on like you know west watson finds out that west gets in a fight with um this dude at the gym at his gym um has a beef with west and he calls out west and then west calls the police on on uh on the guy so john gets john gets he's john gets like has i don't the fuck he does it but he gets he gets he gets

people to send them like i'm talking like not rumor shit but like receipts like he has the guy from the gym who have beef with with west watson send them like sent him the actual like voice messages this that that and the other so like i might even some stuff but either way so now john's got a video on you know this guy saying a week ago that you know you you know knock him out should have said this whatever i'm a tough guy blah blah then a guy actually like steps up to him he's like he's no longer So, like, yeah, so John makes another video. John actually is a prankster as well, too. He actually goes and messages at West.

And he's like, yo, all, you know, these pranks are like, yo, I'll fight you, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then obviously, Jeff, West sees what John looks like. John's, you know, fucking seen John Bravo in videos. He takes the whole fucking thing. He's like this, you know, and he blocks him. So he blocks, he blocks John Bravo. So John's like, okay, so John keeps digging in for stories.

and then all of a sudden you know um he's you know there's after that after the he made a comment on jeff nipper had he like like mike van wicks channel went down i'm talking with the trolls like there's there's there's there's a trolls who just want to see the world burn and then you have your influencers big fans who are a stick up for you for like for everything and then when they go over to someone's channel then the trolls insert themselves into and to acting like they're Jeff Nipper's best friends as well, too, or whatever. So the crew's there, and they're just fucking ripping, they're ripping, uh, what do you call it, um, Wes apart for saying this, whatever.

And then he starts talking about the, the trolls. Then he starts talking about it. Then he, then he ends up, um, collaborating and teaming up with, with, um, big boy and Cali Mussel, who are also, you know, same type of guys who've been to jail and act like their story is like this elaborate. story callie mussels like goes on and be like men always these men talking about men and blah it's like meanwhile callie mussels name is actually chuck basher he did gay for pay yadda yada yada so it's like you know so so now west is with cali muscle and um big boy

who are the the team the trifecta of like exacerbate your story as much as you possibly can and act like you're this like alpha males went to jail the same they're just like you know the birds of a feather fly together type of shit and then the the the the the trolls just it's it's it's it's on fire now they're just they're i've never seen troll work like this put it for my life and i think penguins and a little a big a big uh big gamer 20 12 something i don't millions of subscribers he starts talking about him so like he's like so everyone's talking about it and you can see now addressing on every video he's addressing the trolls he's addressing the trolls he's addressing the trolls he's saying you know fucking weirdos who just talk about men

these are just but these guys so he's taking the part of like someone he's saying is kind of true right it's like they have nothing else to do but to just talk about you and send you mean messages and this and that and the other but then he's responding in that way where he could tell he's like he's pissed right and then he calls him out so he's like if you want to know whatever come to my gym it'll just be me and you we'll go outside yada yada yada and then that was it like from that it was like it was just they just they kept on fucking going to him and you could see him just bothered by it because he knows they're going they're going and they're giving bad you know business reviews they're calling the jimmy's at and doing

whatever they do their they the trolls will do their work they you don't want an order 66 on your asked him anybody right and what do they do it what was it hasn't he been um oh shoot swatted a couple times i might might have i don't know i've i saw one video where west the cops show up at the house they they get out come out of the house put your hands up he's like no no no he said i've been i was swatted i didn't call i didn't and then the cops were like get out turn around he's like yeah you don't have to do all this he was i was swatted he goes you guys came here last week i got swatted last week yeah so it's like that's twice and listen he's yelling at the cops and you know of course he turns around and they cuffs up he does everything he's supposed to do but still same

thing like they're they're they're definitely they're ruthless yeah yeah they're absolutely ruthless right and it's like so like you know and like you know and and i got i have i have empathy for anyone like no one deserves to get you know it's it's a little bit of the cancel culture you know type behavior you know do everything you can to cancel somebody right and like you know like they'll they'll do it to themselves like if you think about it really like like west did it to himself he's going to end up doing that regardless of trolls yeah he's he's canceling himself out he's he's he's um uh you know he's kind of imploding he's you know yeah is he's he's self-destructing literally thank you that's what i was trying to say self-destructing yeah yeah so like you know so you see you see all

the um you know he's like all the videos he's in if you read the comments you know the comments are being you know leftist and that there's there's there's the mean pages about him calling him peg like because of the life because again when you're a guy like that and you live your life and try to be what you're not you talk like you're not you lie you do all these things so he's got his ex-girlfriend that's like coughing up you know you know you know pillow talk stories of him being actually like his girlfriend likes to peg him this is like from his actual ex-girlfriend's like like you know from a word telling what he has in his actual like in his little man purse that he carries so all these secrets of him are all being you know exposed and people are just jumping on it and making

videos so he's like I it's I laugh but like I don't wish that on any but I don't give a fuck you are it sucks like that's that's got to suck you know what I mean but if you if but if you the thing is like one thing about trolls is they don't really necessarily do it just to anybody you know what I mean like there's one thing about trolls that I I don't like trolls regardless but they don't just attack people that are just doing nothing you don't I mean they're not yeah sometimes you bring it on yourself of course like if you if you do troll shit troll's gonna come and get you right and that's basically that's how that's how it kind of happened he talk shit he literally went online and it's on the video was pretty cool um he went

online said come whatever this dude is like messages them and this is on the video it's like he messes like hey he's like won't you fight somebody you know blah blah and he's like anytime any place he's like tell me where he's i'll show up he's like he's like eight o'clock on eight o'clock in the morning on uh on uh weekdays and weekends literally says it in the in the text right to the guy and then he says some other shit and i guess that's where i guess he drops to embalm there but we can figure that later on then another video i can do and get more views right so that's going to end up being the you show up we'll go outside right so he shows up he shows up he you know he puts his camera down we see him put his camera down

he because he even said i'm like this guy's putting his camera on they probably he probably took him up with his offer and lo and behold he literally did so he went there expecting to fight west watson right now you're an idiot like no one's fighting i said this in my video no one's fighting anybody fair like those days are fucking done and gone if you're gonna literally if you think that someone's gonna be like yeah man coming over and we'll fight like the olden days will duke it outside it's like not not gonna happen but he he puts his camera down goes over he's like what's up man like let's do this and then that's when basically everything happens but if you actually watch the breakdown he pushes west and then he kind of backs up and then west takes off his belt and

and flashes at him and i made a point about this because i broke this entire video down like the whole video and i'm like after they because he got you got beat up bad it was like maybe like two two three minutes of like you the video that's a long that's a long beating right like i'm talking 50 some odd punches kicks a dumbbell a weight belt hair pulled out of his head like his dread was pulled out of his head hopefully those are like you know i don't maybe there are you know extensions regardless he got up after like as soon as was done he was literally right up like all his face got fucked up whatever we don't really see it do you see blood though but he got up and after watching that video i'm looking at there i'm like one time my life

will happen i got jumped once i jumped more than once but i got jumped and by two guys and one guy pulled a police baton and he hit me the leg right instantly instantly i'm like you're not serious and i just you know i got the i got the basically beat up actually being both up um i got the police on front of them be what hit one guy you're right off of the guy i'm literally like his face like punched up and that was it and i remember that being like because like we're in front of i'm like if someone's serious they're not going to pull a piece with tonne over anything and hit you in the fucking leg right if they're serious hitting you in the head and you're not getting up you like you don't remember like you know and they're not going to announce to you that you're going to you know they're like

school fight the school in the court they lure me into you know chatting with them right so kind of at that point i'm like something's going on maybe don't want to jump me i don't know i'm prepared for it and then i get in the leg with a baton i'm like they're not serious so when i watch this video and i'm like you flinched at him number one you weren't serious about actually hitting them you had to keep up with your with your persona because after they fought and beat him up i'm looking at them like myself alone if i had if it was just me alone one or two of my punches on top of a person like this you're not getting up you have a broken jaw your faces you're you're not so you're getting carted away in an ambulance they didn't when I look at it like that I'm like you

weren't actually serious about actually hurting this dude that or you're completely really weak but like it's to be serious you know people that are dangerous if they if the group of your if a group of dangerous people like jumped you you're not walking away so all the punches and all the kicks and all the things that they did even though the even the kicks they kicked them as foot was like plan or flex if i want to hurt somebody my my my toes point i'm putting you with my you know i'm kicking i'm not just kind of you know soccer kicking you you know what i mean so i looked at the entire fight that they did i my conclusion immediately

like you guys actually aren't who you are trying to say that you are because if you were all four of you would not allow that kid to even walk away like that kid's not getting up he popped up after it was like you know and then did a police report after right so like how serious are you really to hit somebody 50 times and that person still get up so i listen so well i had a few things but first of all like west didn't fight him fairly you know what i'm saying like he didn't take up say let's go out in the parking lot my buddies can stay here instead they all jump in. Right. They're all swinging on him. So that's already a major issue as far as... For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or

sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. As far as in like Florida, stand or ground is concerned, you know what I'm saying? Like that's, that's, now you, like, West may have had a one on one with the guy because he showed up and that probably would have been okay no charges but when these other guys jump in it it took on a a whole new situation like they have no right to jump in and then when the guy hit the ground and he kept kicking him whether it's whether you're saying it's serious or not which i i agree and i can have something to say about that but but the fact that once the guy

was down and he was retreating and you kept kicking him okay your your stand your ground has disappeared at this point like that's over you know like like your your whole defense for he approached me yeah he approached you he didn't approach you and all of your buddies right and then he certainly went once you were no longer a threat like you can't you keep kicking the guy you know so he has an issue there but and i can tell you right now like having been in prison and seeing fights listen a 30 second to a minute fight is a long time that's a long time to fight even if you're in good shape yeah so the other thing is and I always hate this about movies. Matter of fact, we were watching my wife and I watched

the last episode of Landman the other day. And this guy, these guys are punching this dude in the head. I mean, he's got like a back over. And they're smashing him and smashing them and they're doing all this, you know, really, really beating the hell out of it. And of course, when it's over, he gets up and he walks away. He's cut up and bloody a little bit, doesn't go to the hospital. And I might, listen, if a guy punches you four or five times to the face, face and really connects and this guy had no defense he's got a bag over his head so he can't even see it coming yeah your nose is broken caved in probably your eye socket is probably broken and caved in your jaw you're missing teeth there was one punch where it was right here you're missing

teeth like that's you've got at least a couple of teeth are caved in and he's an old guy he's a 65 year old man so i'm saying the guy on uh yeah on landman so i'm saying having been in prison and seeing fights I can tell you right now, I saw a fight one time, and at the end of the fight, and it was like a minute and a half, and it went on forever. Yeah. The guy had a bunch of dreads pulled out of his hair, out of his head. He had, there was a tooth laying in a pool of blood. I mean, it was brutal. Yeah.

And these guys beat, I mean, broken noses. I mean, their faces are rearranged. And to be honest with you, these weren't, these were two guys that were probably. probably in their 40s or 50s. You know what I'm saying? Like these were not like 25 year old guys, 30 year old guys. Like they should not have been fighting. Like you're not in a position.

You know, they're in good shape. But for God's sakes, your body just doesn't hold up well. And you're at 40s and 50s to be fist fighting. Yeah. What's really funny about that is that whole fight started because in prison, you kind of have a space. This is where my chair sits. I watch TV. I've been here.

This is my space. the other guy sat in his space and he said hey bro i've been here i've been in this for i've been here for 10 years that's my space the guy's like all right man gets up and leaves he's like do me favor bro like you don't sit there again you know this is my little piece of real estate yeah yeah and the next day he comes in the guy sitting got his chair sitting in his space again and he went he walked in and stopped and i was there like i looked over because i'd seen the first I just happened to have seen first altercation and the next day I happened to be there again just by coincidence looked over saw him walk in the door looks at the other guy

looks where he is and goes walks upstairs goes to the broom closet gets a broomstick comes back downstairs walks up behind him bow and smashes him in the back of the head with the broomstick the guy just falls over boom hits the ground he's out yeah the other guy walks upstairs at the broomstick and about you know 10 seconds later he comes to he stumbles around a little bit he realizes what happened he goes up the stairs and then the fight for the next minute and a half there's a screaming pulling hair knocking in a shit falling in prison's not a it's not a good environment to fight in because everything's made of steel and concrete so Anytime you stumble or hit something, like, it doesn't move.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hang into a table, it doesn't move. Like anything you stumble into or a hit, like you're, you're hurt. It's a lot of it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I can only imagine if four guys jumped on a guy and really wanted to do some damage. I mean, you're, he probably shouldn't have stood up. Like, I don't know how, you know, so what are you suggesting?

Do you think it was choreographed? No, no, no, no, I don't know. I don't think it's, I don't think it's, so I want to make that clear. I didn't in my video. Like, I'm not saying it's choreographed. Okay. I like, you know, I don't like, you know, because I try to, you know, prize what I preach.

So I don't go on and like, hey, I know, I know this guy and this guy and this guy. You know, I've been like, you know, my life, my life led me to pass to experience a lot of things. So when I, when I see, when I see things like this happen, I don't, look at as like oh you're faking it i look at as like you don't have this you don't have the the stomach to actually be that kind of person okay you don't have the stomach to actually want to hurt somebody right you want to act like you're tough you want to act like you can hurt somebody you want to act that way because if you actually did you would have you would like so for for instance when he took his belt off he flinched first time he flinched at the guy at the black

guy right he does this and then black guy moves away and then it doesn't until his other buddy goes behind him and then he actually you know hits him with the belt he gets him a couple of ties with tight twice of the belt right he's telegraphing things right it's like here's your way here's your way out i kind of don't want to do this you know what i mean right when you when you're around people like you know you've been around people that I can say that you've been around people that you know for a fact they're either wonder killers right they don't care about human life they don't they have no regard for your safety they do not care right there are those people in the world that do not care the buddy mine is dead from a guy like that right that happens those kind of people don't have to say who they are people know who they are if you're if you're unlucky to be in the situation with them it's guarantee that you're either dead or in the hospital guy like jet a guy like the guy like Wes Watson and all his buddies aren't those guys right they're not they're

not choreographed not faking it they're carrying out what they're they're carrying out the the persona that they had to act and be right he's got to act like this tough guy he's got to act like this dude like if you know to be honest a real tough guy in this entire situation would have like yo guys chill out I'm going outside take care of this if he like walk walk out if he does something funny then whatever like I'm walk out with this guy. I'm going to take care of business. It could be back inside or whatever, right? That's, that's, that would that new, that new timeline is me respecting West Watson to the endth degree. I'm like, yo, good shit, man. That's, oh shit. I mean, you talk a lot of shit and

this night, but you went outside and handle business, right? That's what, that's what a tough guy does. A guy that actually is as dangerous as West Watson wants to act like he is or a guy who's actually as tough as what Westman wants to act like he is, he does that one thing or he's just at a point where I don't give a flying fuck about going back I don't care we're going back to jail I'm going to kill you and then that's what happens right there's guys who don't care to go back to jail those guys are not those those guys are just those guys dangerous right and if that and if the same guy black guy another lifetime walks up to these type of guys that guy isn't getting up after 54 punches to the face two kicks two two

slaps by a a belt a weight belt and hit with you for the dumbbell right you tell a little story with one guy who's walked us here as casually and got a broomstick and hit him in the back of the head right not telegraph you just like i'm the they're not saying it they're just going to take care of it right so for me it's when i watch this i'm like you caught you that this is the the classic situation where you took things too far and now you had to act like something that you're not and you don't know how to act that way and you're either for that life or you're actually not and he's not for that because he did something that he's like you know damn well if you you're going to jail like you you're hopefully luckily you hope hope the god that something

happens where they can be like yeah it was self-defense like all four you guys need to do that like whatever you know but he doesn't want to go back to jail right he doesn't want to do that at all but he had to act he had to he had to carry out his act and and continue to beat him up and and being that you watched the video he's in there you get in talking shit like he's in a movie you know just got act like your fucking tough fade and walks on and kicks him again and you know and when he's the in between other times when he's fighting and stuff and he's talking shit then when he guys you know when he finally britt and the guy breaks it up and he's walk away he's like you got a tough guy huh you and he still he still put on his act it's like dude he's putting on the show which is

not going to play well in front of a jury no because like right right after he was like he's like I don't know if you saw him in he said pull the cameras pull the cameras though self-defense as he literally said after this I'm like you're telling you in your mind think this is pull the cameras dude like you're fucked like you went you went way too far right there's no stand your ground laws and you pulled out a belt and whacked the guy twice with it then punched him when he was on the ground got up to be able to say a full sentence walk around a fucking bench and then kick him again and then continue to fight him after that like literally that's that's that's what that's what's what's what's buddy's gonna say well they're fuck too like is like more because

they were never they were never in danger right yeah and in the moment too because you like the um because you can see in john bro's video you can see the um who actually called the police because the guy that actually runs in trying to break things up he's in there like trying to pull thing that's another thing i was i broke down i'm like because i look at things like very in-depth And I'm like, this little man here who's got gloves on, who's probably the guy who cleans the gym, who takes care of stuff. That guy probably knows everybody in the gym. The guy that cleans the gym knows everybody in the gym. Right.

Right. So he knows West Watson. He knows the guy he came in the gym. He knows whatever. And then you see the guy try and break it up. You know, he can't break it up. He gets up. And you can see him running away.

And that I can tell that's the guy who actually went and called the police to stop it, right? Because he comes back in and he's like, pull the tape. tells me a bullet tapes whatever so i look at this guy i'm like this guy who's small goes in there as brave as he is it goes to break this thing up i'm like if if if if if if if if if if wess is a dangerous cat and he's all the things that he says nobody is breaking that fight up right nobody is i've in situations where it's like don't get involved like don't not get involved like that guy that guy came in you want to fight those guys go the fuck over there and don't care but don't don't don't don't get involved because it'll be your ass right so when a guy can be like i'm gonna go in here

and be mr you know save him all which is good for him like good for for being that and caring whatever just goes to show me that he what kind of person he knows that west watson is right what's probably deep down the side of really really nice dude bet she is really fucking nice ass dude who's just probably you know just you know trying to be this guy because there's a lot of guys like that who are in and doing you know i know a lot of guys i've known that end up getting charges. It's like, you didn't have, you, you came from a middle to upper class family.

What are you doing? What are you doing selling drugs for? Like, you don't need to do that shit. And then now you're, now you got to go to jail because you fucked up. It's like, well, like, that's the life you tried to act. Do you not understand that that's what comes with his life? You know what I mean? So it's like, West is probably a nice ass dude who probably didn't,

didn't do anything wrong. It was like, you know, got, got mixed up, trying to figure out who he was and then all of a sudden he's on jail for a violent crime that he probably shouldn't have been involved in the first place and now he's got to do seven years and he's like man i fucked up and he seven years spends in there and see some fucked up shit and he's still trying to because he's probably got to keep this persona or something while he's in jail and then seven years later he gets out of jail and he's like man humility to the fucking nth degree and he tells the story to one person and the person's like wow and he's

probably got some good shit to say and you're like man that's fucking awesome he's like man i changed the guy's life and he's like and he says it again and he's like oh shit this story's pretty good and he's like yo well then i was actually the dawn of the fucking before that i was actually selling this and he's then the story gets this and that and he's got more tattoos realize he's got a shitty hairline and shaves his fucking head and now he's renting cars and he's got to be this fucking dude and then here we are today that's i i know i know people man i can read people yeah i i don't think he's it i don't think he was i don't think he came out a nice guy i don't think you went in a nice guy i think he was always looking meathead he was probably he's

probably he wasn't he wasn't to the extent of what you know i i know i know i think i think the money and the fame uh probably turned him into a state jackass and that's you know and now it's it's taken on a life of its own he's consumed he's consumed by you know all of these things that he's acquired and he believed he's believed yeah i was going to say it's connected to his identity he's believed he believes his own press which is always a mistake yeah yeah always your biggest downfall is when you do nothing but surround yourself by sycophants who do nothing to tell you you're wonderful like that's a major problem yeah um uh yeah so we'll uh it's funny i've i always think about there was a guy i was locked up with there's a lot of guys i was locked up with it like

we're i don't want to say serial killers because they were typically paid like they weren't killing because they had a compulsion they were paid like there was a guy who was literally he got i think what do you get like 30 years 40 years they got 40 years anyway and i mean he was a he was a killer like he was killing for the uh for the the cartel in Columbia for the Colombian cartel he'd been locked have a while that's how old it was right how old he was but he'd murdered and he was in multiple books like there were multiple books where they were talking where they would talk about him he eventually gets caught he gets 40 years 40 years. I mean, he cooperates. He gets 40 years. That was, that was his, that was the best deal he was going to get was 40 years for cooperating. Like you bring down like 30 guys and you still get 40 years. So he still, I forget what it was 15, 20 people. Yeah. So he was, he was, he was, he was a Colombian. He's always loud. But he was, you know, you would never know it. You would never know it talking to him, you know.

uh and then i remember there's another guy we called him uh it's they called them old man i think was an old man jim anyway um and i remember one time we used to i painted when i first got locked up and i was in the painting room and he would talk to me nice guy i'd help him carry stuff you know he's in his late 60s very quiet and he was placing paintings behind paintings and putting him up on the lockers, right? And he's been told not to do that several times by the correctional officer, the CEO. And so finally the CEO comes in, this female CEO comes in and she starts yelling at him. And she's like, Jim, what did I tell you? I told you last time, if he fucking did that. And she starts screaming at him in front of everybody. And he looked at her and all of a sudden, he just goes,

and he starts laughing. And he's trying not to laugh. She goes, what's so funny? He goes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's got, you're right. You're right. I, um, yeah. he said i'll get it down i'll put it in the workshop i'm sorry i'm going to be mailing it out it won't be here next week and she was like oh okay so when i was helping him carry some stuff later that day and we're walking i said jim i said um keep my i'll tell you so jim was a very very scared you know he'd murdered probably probably 10 people yeah i remember he he specifically murdered about five people that were actual witnesses against him in a crime. So we're walking and I go, I said, when, you know, whatever, Lieutenant so-and-so is yelling.

I said, why did you start laughing? And he goes, it dawned on me. He said that if we were on the outside, I'd have cut that bitch's head off, stuck her head in the trunk of my car and driven around with it for a week until it started smelling. He said, but I'm in prison now and I have to just listen to her and take it. goes and it just struck me as funny and i just thought and he and he was like he is right his life's funny and i thought and he's not joking here he's not joking and he was nicest guy you'd never think and the only reason i even knew why he was locked up because he was actually locked up for like a drug conspiracy yeah and i used to one of my buddies was like you like jim huh i was like yeah he's

cool i like jim he's a nice guy and he goes he is he said but you know why he's here, right? And I went for drugs. He said, yeah, yeah. He said, you understand? He said, but you have to understand, Matt. He said, Jim went to trial or was going to trial in the state back in the late 70s. I said, okay.

Back in the late 70s, you could, it was very easy to get out of a like a county jail. There was lots of programs. It wasn't a lot of security. He said, you know, he said in the late 70s, he was going to go. to go to trial and I went okay he said you know he was a member of a biker gang and stuff and he goes and he had murdered someone and there were witnesses and I was like okay he said so he waited until about 10 days before his trial when you get the witness list and he said once his lawyer gave him the witness list two days later he escaped he said so

a year later he comes back to the jail and says hey my name is jim so-and-so he said uh um you guys are looking for me and they ran him they're like oh my god yeah you're escaped and they put cuffs on him and they bring him in the jail they process him and his lawyer shows up a week later and says he says i'm i'm ready to go to trial and they go oh he goes oh okay yeah it's gonna take a month or two okay so you know because they have to start over well they find one of of the witnesses was shot three times. Another witness was had disappeared completely. Another one they had he tied her true. And these are, this isn't what men. These are like three women, two men. He tied to a tree, cut her throat in the, in the woods. Another one, like all five

witnesses are either missing or deceased. Yeah. And he knew. So he escaped. It took him a year to track them all down and kill him. And then he goes back to jail and says, I'm ready to go to trial. They held them for another five or six months trying to put something together. They eventually had to drop the charges. He walks out of jail. The feds come in and like a year later they grab them because the feds pretty much, the federal government can pretty much grab you for anything. They put together a drug case. He was involved in. He gets 20 years in the feds and whatever. The point it or no, I think it was like 30 years or something. But the point is, is like this guy was the nicest guy you'd ever meet he was he was truly dangerous and i've had friends that you're i'm

sitting here eating i'm eating at the medium with three murders and all of them not like accused like they've murdered people nicest guys they'll linger hey you don't know you just got here let me get i'll give you some shower slides and hey bro uh you know yeah cox you got no no problem uh hey i'll i'll talk to so and so for you and see if i can get that taken care i mean just nice eyes but the truth they were truly, truly dangerous, and they didn't have to pretend. Yeah. I don't have to scream and holler

and tell you what a badass I am because the truth is, I'm extremely dangerous. Right. Yeah. So that's, that's, you know, and I'm not saying West Watton, Wathen wouldn't beat my ass like a small child.

I'm just saying in general, he has a lot of bolstering. It's, yeah, it's exactly what it is. And it's, it's, um, yeah, it goes those saying. It's, you know, you, if it had been a fair fight he wouldn't have fought no i mean that's that's why i didn't right

the guy did this like literally said like you know he's like come and west watson is like i made some jokes in the video it's pretty entertaining but you know he's like yeah come on over because like when you see when you see the first video the first video that you see when he when it happens like yeah man some seven foot some big monster comes in your seven foot five he's all right to not to take care whatever it's like but you didn't yeah didn't take He didn't say, all right, bro, let's go outside. You guys stay here, let's stay. You guys jumped him with weapons, right?

Like, they took him, they took him down. It's not like Wes punched him and then he went down and then they all got him. He got surrounded. Right. And Wes hit him with a belt while the other guy was behind him, pushed him down. And then West grabbed him and then start. So it was like, it was like a messy, you know, a collaboration of like you're, you know, so it's like you know you're not tough you know you're not and it doesn't matter what like people

still like you know he's got a good message it's like you messed out the door like your message means nothing any means nothing when that's like I just said in an alternate reality west says yo guys chill out for a second just watch make sure he doesn't have boys outside and you know come make sure nothing happens I'm going to take care of this then we're all saying west is west is west I'm all Hey, I, that guy's, that's stand up for me, man. If he beats a dude's ass, cool, man. You literally told the guy come down. If you want to be a troll and talk shit to you, come on down and talk shit to me.

And then you go outside and take care of it. Cool. And he had every opportunity to do that. Even if he got beat up, even if he got beat up, I would respect Wes Watson for going out and doing what he said and getting his ass kicked. I would respect that. And nothing else, we would all respect it. But he didn't do it.

He not only called. They're guys you get into a fight in, in prison. Guys will test you. And honestly, they don't care if you win the fight as long as you're willing to fight. That's what they're concerned with. They'll know, like, you know, the guy's not going to win, but I want to know if he'll fight. Like that's their concern. And that's funny you say that because it's like, okay, Wes has been to jail.

And I'm sure West probably knows that as well too. Right. Right. So if he's been to jail and he knows that has and understands that, now he's in a setting where he asked what would you do when you're if you were in jail west since you're a mr jail guy right you would have you would have fought him you would have been like hey guys help me you would have fought him because if what he did in the jail you'd have been like a pussy you'd be like oh yo this guy's what wait a minute right if you were in if you're in jail

and you tell people you oh man come and fight me but you don't do i'm sure you used to don't do that but like say you did and you're an idiot and you do that and one guy says all right cool and comes up to you and you go to your boys like this hey guys help me out i'm sure i'm sure of it i'm sure the next thing after that is you're fucked right so it's like all the things that west says he was in jail he's he's not in the in in in in real life all the experience he has while he's in jail for seven years he expresses it the opposite when he's out like all the like no like even for yourself like you know you when you have somebody who's been in jail before and they say all that That's why I saw a lot of the dismantling of West was from other guys who've been in jail.

Plus, I know, like, you know, I'm just like, I know people have been in jail. I'm like, this is how you act. It's not how you act at all. Like, no one does this. Like, you can see immediately, no, that's not how you act. Like, you know, no one glorifies, you know, it's okay to have a story. You know, you made your story arc as you went to jail. You were humbled and you made it out and it, you know, cleared your mind, this and

that and you're living a different life that's i'm all for that story but like when you glorify it and you make that the pinnacle of your everything yeah it's like you know at that point it's like yeah you're you're not who you say are so what do what do you think happens i mean i know you're you're in canada so you don't you don't really know the uh the states uh i know i know enough I know enough. Did he get arrested where there charges have arrested? So I don't know yet. Because it has to be like, you know, he's because the guy says he wants to press charges.

So I know here like, you know, they're either going to get you or you turn yourself in, right? Right. And you get processed, right? So he's having it processed by going in himself or whatever. Depending on all the evidence they're going to get from, you know, like, you know, the, the guy is going to obviously give him his cell phone because his cell phone catches his cell phone catches everything which is right like his cell phone caught the entire the entire angle right and then the cameras from up top will catch the other angle once they see that and he decides because no in can have to you don't you don't have to press charges

um you can the the crown here can be like conceding like we're pressing charges like it's that's assault right whatever they i don't know if he's going to say when they get all the evidence it's like hey by the way i want to press charges on that guy that guy that guy that guy and that guy as well too right which i would um i think that if anything happens west will get charged um you know and also it depends on who the guy is too like this guy could be you know he's definitely it's definitely against it because he's he's talking to the police right so i would have i would have if this never hit the if that guy didn't press charges then i'd like west is fucked even more because if that guy goes in there and he doesn't you know press you know the cops say if we

ran that report then it says the guy didn't want to press charges i'm thinking this guy is one of those dudes and you're now f you know west because he's coming back and you're fucked but he presses charges so he's not that kind of guy so i think he's going to know i think he probably get you know depends on how far i go with that i think he could probably get whatever the minimum charges for but also west is also like a convicted felon felon so he's oh yeah he's Yeah, he's been in trouble multiple times. He's a career. Yeah.

I don't know what is, what is, uh, what is, uh, what is, like his parole, um, conditions aren't even, you know, like, how long has he been out of jail for? Yeah, I'm sure he's off. Like, typically, and there are exceptions, but typically you have like five years pay. Well, it depends. Typically, you'll have like, there's like two years, three years and five years of probation. I don't know what it is in California. I'm assuming he got out and he had some kind of supervised release like a

probationary period, but he's been out for at least five years. Yeah. So he's off of that. He's not on probation. I don't think he'll get probation for an assault charge. If the guy hadn't, if it had just been an argument in the gym and these guys had attacked him, it'd be different. In fact, the guy went down there, he certainly contributed to it. But, but West doesn't get to walk away because it's no long, it's not really, it's at the very least, it's an assault charge. Right. Yeah. It's a violent crime. And a violent crime. Florida they don't they don't they don't they're not fans of violent crimes yeah um you know once you're charged it's like you can get you've got some leeway but once you're charged

it's a problem so you know he could he could probably do a few years but but then again you know he's got money he could he could try and go to try yeah i can't imagine him go to trial because all they really have to do is show of show his videos and how he behaves and i don't see anybody on the jury being okay with his behavior i mean yeah i the only thing i i think and i might get like completely just like whatever they had to be careful i say but he's a black dude in florida i don't know a lot of things a lot of things get a lot of things get passed when it's the what's the black guy being victimized or becoming a victim or saying their victim or playing victim role or is the victim in it in that case and it's not like he's a you know walking into a

where it's you know he was minding his own business he did contribute to that and depending on what kind of jury you're in front and depending who it is that could sway in the favor of west very slim i don't like it just there's too much there's there's too overwhelming that is like you know anybody in the jury that sees the way west behaves thinks to themselves i would be okay with him being my neighbor well can they can they um can they use a like can they use because i know you can um that can they use some of this youtube stuff oh i'm sure if it it helps contribute to the environment that he was creating come down here you want i got a fucking problem come down here i'll take you know and they're like

look this is how this is who this person is because he took it because he took um he took it off oh he says let's take let's take a couple things off already which he knows now that's he's already yeah yeah so he's he's he's already yeah so he's like in and like which is like you know use your fucking brain like what do you like like for me i'm i'm always like i'm always aware of my surroundings i'm always aware like there's like who who can see this what's around like what is my surround look like there's no way this guy did that all that and it was like yeah i'm good like there's there's three different camera angles on the entire thing right and and violent like i'm talking like when you watch it you

there's not one part of that video that looks like one part the guy's guilty he pushes him and that's it he walks up he's like so what's up basically and then gives him a push and then that's it and there's like there's a there's a there's a stall there's a basic a little bit of a you know standoff for like 10 seconds maybe maybe right and then it gets you know whatever so if with all the what i see all the evidence that's there him being already a convicted you know felon i'm I'm sure his records always stand. I was seeing maybe two to three for aggravated assault when I was 18. And I was, and I was defending my, actually defending myself from two guys.

And I put them both, I put them both in a coma. Like two, I've knocked them both out pretty bad when I was younger. Actually, I was 17. I was turning 18 and I was, they were trying to chime me as an adult. So I've got aggravated, like the highest kind of aggravated assault. and that's you know that's just myself in canada right cana's a little more has a little more leeway yeah a little leeway in the state so you know what i mean and you and like you and then the other top of that is like he can sue them on top of it so like that's a like that alone like the skip

the church is i'm suing your ass like that that alone like he's because he definitely went to the hospital there's definitely hospital although his kids got you know in our insurance is free back home like our non insurance but like you know you go to hospital your tax pays for it and down there if his if his you know his bill that bill's gonna be a that's a bill if he's if west is smart he tries to get his lawyer to go to the kid or go to the guy and pay um you know and whatever give him 50 grand or something you know a hundred grand to not to press charges or to kind of you know whatever here Does he have a hundred grand?

Huh? Does he have a hundred grand? He says he's got tons of money. I don't think he does. That's the thing. I don't think he. And it's going to be way more. If I'm,

if I'm that kid and I'm not, and I'm not from, I'm not from the street kid. I'm a, I'm a normal ass kid that just got my ass beat by West Watson. I can promise that kid even went in there being like, hey, if he does,

you know, not do this by like fair, I'm definitely pressing charges. And I'm definitely fucking them over. And a hundred thousand, bucks i don't know much i don't much uh insurance would be or for a hospital visit plus stitches plus whatever you'd have to go five grand it's probably five grand it's you know they stitched him up and like he didn't stay over night or anything i don't think but you know let's say it's five

grand it doesn't the five grand's irrelevant i mean you know obviously you know i'm thinking he's if i'm saying if west is smart he tries to get this guy to take a hundred thousand dollars and west ends up pleading guilty and doing three years, you know, on probation. That would be the best kind of deal he could possibly get. We're going to drop the charges. Yeah. No, you could do that. You could make that argument.

But let's say, you know, or maybe, maybe Wes ends up getting a year. See, if the kid's smart, West takes the charge, then he sues him because now he's admitted he's done something wrong. He's gone and allocated. He said, look, I was wrong. I pled guilty to an assault. charge. I'm now on probation. Now, guess what? We're at now we're going to go to trial. What is your defense going to be at trial that you, you weren't wrong? Right. Yeah. You've already pledged

guilty. And I'm sure, like, I don't know if this, you know, like, I don't know what your lawyer cause. Like, I don't always like, like, I'm sure if you don't have the money, you're getting like legal aid and then you're getting like the least amount of help. No, but lawyers would be lined up to that all they got to do is go on West's channel and look at all of his stuff. Yeah. So, I'm like, is he like enough of a lawyer, if I'm a, if I'm a greasy lawyer, or whatever i'm gonna be like hey kid by the way here's how much money we can get from this and here's what you do right here looking at a million you know right you know she's do their insurance company shoot whatever you got to get money out of them because canada's not you can't just sue people in

canada it's not a it's not like you know their first stories the kid burned themselves that you know burnt their tongue or something that you know a costume of dolls and sued them for millions you know and that you know that stuff happens in the united states canada you're I had a buddy of mine in the elementary school that was on a field trip and got pushed out of a window in Chicago, on a field trip in Chicago, pushed out of the window. Cracked the window, got pushed, fell out, fell out. I think I made his story, something like that. And he sued the school board. And it took him like 70 years for it to go through and get him to get like, I don't even think he got like a million. I don't think he got a mill. Maybe like half or something like that, right? Right. That's, that's Canada. States, you're, you, you, you, you own half of Chicago. You sue Chicago. You sue, you sue everybody. You know what I mean. So it's, so it's for, you know, for, like I said, I said from the beginning, if, like, he's, West is screwed regardless. Like, I don't know how he's going to. I don't know how he's going to, I don't know. You get drops the charges and the state doesn't pick up the charges. I don't think the state would pick up the charges. But, but, you know, they'll pick up the charges in some instances like domestic violence or something.

You can get to that point where the, where the cops show up a couple of times and then the wife drops the charges or the girlfriend says it, no, I don't want to press charges. Well, after once or twice, then the state will just pick it up and say, no, no, no. Yeah, a candidate is different. You have, like, she, they have to be like, yes, he did, or she did, yeah. But you guys fighting and how that worked out, I don't know, they got, it's such a slam dunk case. You have to think, that's a dream case. I have all the evidence right here. This guy's going to take a plea.

Because if he goes to trial, he can't possibly go to trial. He certainly can't get on, he certainly can't get on the stand and defend himself. No. Because that brings up all these videos and it brings up all of your past arrests. Like, you've been in prison before for doing this, haven't you? You've been on probation before. You've been, this is just who you are. You're an absolute menace.

Yeah. It's, it's, it's, and it's like the three other guys. It's like the three of the dudes. I'm surprised at like that we have like I can I'm one way to predict is in the next like my I don't make more than the month the next like there's content for John Bravo for the next I don't know year because you're gonna because the next video will be like okay so now I actually know the guy of the this piece of shit asshole who's like this he's going to get probably every one of the guys are in the background of those guys we're to have probably videos that

if this guy charges those guys as well too because again like he's it's not just west that hit him it's like there's a guy hit him with the that kicked him there's a guy the other guy um the took is he's taken off his watch during you know while he's talking to west and then goes behind with a with a with a dumbbell right so it's like this guy any lawyers he's like listening but there's four guys we're part of the chest pressing charges and then when they're all guilty then we're suing them and that's 500,000 that's a half a million minimum that you're going to get from this entire thing like and then you know paying the paying your your lawyer fees and stuff they're going to it's going to be easy for this to be i don't know like i said it's got to be

these got to have so we got hopefully has the biggest horseshoe up his ass or some kind of weird ass bullshit racial shit comes up and all of a sudden west watson's off the hook but If that doesn't happen, he's screwed. Like, it's, you know, so I don't. I'm trying to look and see, like, all I see so far is Instagram and YouTube videos. Like, there's no, I don't see any news reports that say he's been charged. I know he's been, I know that there's a thing that talks about an arrest report. Did you see that one?

There's one guy who reads, like, the guy. Yeah, I have the, my last one, my last video, um, I got. the uh john sent me the um the transcript the report um the police report and he does she does say he's he's pressing charges right so what i wonder why there's been no news because it's no it's not really i don't know if it's that big like TMZ covered the uh covered jeff nipper and what he called fly which is weird um so i don't know i maybe still maybe still going through you you you You used to be able to just kind of go online and really pick up, you know, look for the police report transcripts and get it when it's when it's been the public, when it's released in public. But I don't know.

Yeah, so I guess what is it, the gym, the gym owner basically said, or kicked him out. Did he? I had seen that somewhere where the gym owner was basically like, yeah, you're not coming back here. like he's because the kid's probably going to sue the gym owner yeah you know you're going to throw that in there to try and get a hold of his um yeah like it says it states sue suing everybody you're suing you're suing yeah right you're suing the gym owner suing west and all the buddies there you're suing the fucking for like why are you making belts they're so easily detachable whipable you know like i don't know like you can like I said you got a case for

it if you got a case you're going to get a case for it and these you know it's it's it's it's over like it's that's that's that you know we you watched in real time the dismantling of a fake internet personality yeah i watched your interview your breakdown of the west watson thing yeah you know i've been a huge fan of his for years um so i don't know if you've ever i'm i'm sure you haven't watching the videos but my buddy and i we've like you know just mock him you know yeah like because Because both of us had been, like, I was in a media, a federal prison that was a medium, a security prison. And I was only there for about three years. The rest of my time, I did about nine years in a low security prison.

You know, not that things don't happen there, but it's not obviously, probably more fights in the low. They're just less violent. And then my buddy has actually been in, I want to say he's been in two pins. And, you know, and I, look, I've interviewed enough guys and known enough guys and met enough guys that have been in pens. And all of them are just like, yeah, you know, you just don't behave like this in a penitentiary. I mean, nobody's going to allow you to behave like this. And I think we had talked about this, as far as Wes is concerned, that, you know, when he first came out, he was actually a little more mellow, you know. And he seemed like he had some some good advice.

He's just gone, it's, I guess money or freedom or something has just, you know, it's just amplified all of the negative stuff that he has to say. And, and then it's getting worse and worse. And you know, you know how it is once you start, well, as far as crime is concerned, once you start getting away with things, you become emboldened by it. and you keep that envelope and before you know it you know you get slapped back down or arrested or and i think everything i think for certain personality types everything is like that you keep pushing that envelope yeah and uh apparently it didn't go well for it's really been kind of falling apart for a while now yeah yeah what are your what are your thoughts on that yeah i was um like like i said i watched john's video today and i kind of did like my wrap up like what i think

might be the wrap up, I'm sure it will be more on like what, you know, the repercussions of what's going on. But for me, I was just like, I, you know, I made the point that it's like, you know, time reveals everything. You know what I mean? It's like in time basically is like, you know, undefeated. So I look at a guy like Wes Watson because I know, I have, you know, I know people in my life that, you know, that are what West tries to act like. And it's a, it's not, It's not even like an unwritten rule. It's just like you don't, you don't carry yourself like that. Like people who are dangerous, who are whatever,

they don't tell you they are. Like you just know they are. Right. Like, you know, whispers, rumors or something, that person alone will not be like, I'm dangerous or I'm successful or whatever. And I think guys like him are like, you know, they went to, they went to prison and like, you know, like prison sucks no matter what. Like I don't care how long you go for it sucks, period.

Like it's, you know, that alone. own is like you know like you don't have to big up being in prison you know what I mean like everyone knows like you know like the biggest you know the the worst way people you know the to punish people is by is by taking them away from people you know what I mean like it's you know there's there you don't have to you know really lay down how hard prison was whatever but for guys like Kim and I know guys like him who've like done like minimal time whatever and then they create this persona when they leave and it's not who they actually are so while they continue to ride this persona then they have to like now they have to dive deep and now

they have to become it now they everything about them has to be it and they build on more and more than eventually like situations like with west same thing it's like their true colors start to actually show you know what i mean like i made the biggest the point my video was like what the biggest mistake people make when it comes to trolls is actually acknowledging them because trolls have a specific job online right is without trolls like just be serious even having trolls you know social media will be kind of boring to be honest like it's like it's like I want them around but like they have their place yeah their goal their goal is to is to get you emotionally not only emotionally engaged but to

actually engage and to actually acknowledge them and when you and when you do it's like game over right if you if you acknowledge them and like West did it and then I publicly be like call them out like he has a face to whatever troll it is it's just like the their products they just fucking went over to his channel and his products and just did what trolls do and that's what they do and he did the wrong way and then you can see that like you know if being an alpha male you know what I mean like you could see it got to him right like it literally

Like, you can't, if you're like, oh, fuck the trolls, man, I don't go fuck with trolls. You don't, you don't, if you don't care what trolls, I don't talk about trolls. Like, you don't let everybody know that, you know, weird. He made, I don't know how many videos he's like a bunch of weirdos. And like, I think every video, at least 10 in a row, we're talking, we're, we're addressing the trolls. And you can see that they were literally getting under him, like in, under his skin. He's, you know, made comments about it to the point where he calls him out. And then, like, you know, he's a victim of his own demise, right?

I think John, I said this in the video. John Bravo did a good job, you know, getting this stuff. But, like, if it wasn't for the trolls, John Bravo would have no content because the trolls exposed who Wes Watson really was. Because he's an alpha dude. He's an alpha male. You know, Tom Brady doesn't go into his DMs and like, fuck you for Tommy. I deflated the footballs. Like, guys who are somebody don't really care.

And guy like Wes just kind of got exposed. like fairly easily it was like an unraveling of a month's work from just a fucking cool you know you know first of when he first came out like I did I did several a buddy of mine named Zach we did several videos where we were like we just watch and you know they were just reaction videos and just you know kind of laughed and joked about it his behavior and and boy let me tell you his fans like came out of nowhere you know they just you know you simp you this you that it's like Okay, well, first of all, none of that's true.

You know what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? It's like, they say, like you said, they're trolls. They're saying anything. Yeah. Get a reaction. And it's funny because when you say like that they have, you know, they have their place, my editor, his name is Colby, he'll take content. Like, let's say I have an interview with somebody.

And in the middle of the interview, I'm like, wow, man, that reminds me of the movie, whatever. And then the guy I will say, what movie is that? And I'm like, oh, you've never seen that? And then I give him a quick rundown of the movie. Colby will take that clip and he'll clip it. So it really sounds like I'm saying, I robbed three banks. I ran over and I did this and this. And then he'll release that video knowing that it sounds like I'm telling someone else's story as my own.

and those videos do better than any video where I'm just telling my story because the the content or I'm sorry the comment section goes nuts this guy's lying that's the that's the theme to the movie heat he never did that everything this guy says is a lie other guys are saying no you don't understand he's explaining this this is Matt Cox he's he did this and so they'll go back and forth and that video that little TikTok or short will end up getting 6 million views. Right, right. If it had been, you know, something else might get 50,000 views. And so he has no problem doing that. So the interaction with some of these trolls, you know, I can see interacting with them or feeding into it, them to get the interaction to push the videos. But I don't think that's what he's doing.

No. I think it's getting under his skin. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And his whole story, since he came out of. about five years ago, has slowly, I mean, initially the story, it's a good story. It's an interesting story. This is what happened. And really, a big part of West's story was that he went to prison and he kind of got enlightened and he changed his life and he was going

to live his life in a different way. And obviously that spun off into something, you know, disturbing, let's say, almost sinister, where I can't tell you how many guys have contacted me and told me, bro, I, you know, I paid to talk to West Watson and, you know, I said I'm whatever it was. I forget the amount. It was like 500 bucks. And, you know, I was supposed to talk to him for whatever, 30 minutes. And the guy got on the phone with me. He called me a bitch four times and hung up on me twice and then stopped answering the phone and took my money. Yeah. And these guys are like, they're like, this guy, you know, this is a complete scam. And then so that's been happening for a while.

And then he's, he's been, he's becoming more and more animated, more and more derogatory towards other people. And then his story a couple years ago started falling apart where it was, you know, you weren't, you didn't do 10 years. You did like seven. You didn't do it in this facility. You were in this facility. You weren't a shock caller. You know, you didn't behave like this in prison. The guys that were locked up with you said, you were extremely quiet.

But there were all of these things that came out that he wasn't being honestly about. And here's the part that bothers me about that. Because look, I've been locked up 13 years. And I've been locked up with pathological liars. I'm not saying it's a pathological liar. I'm just saying that he's main if he's embellished his story. So, you know, and listen, everybody does it. I give you an example.

For a while, I, you know, so I didn't do 13 years. I did like 12 years and eight months. What am I going to do? I'm going to say 12 years and eight months every single time somebody says. So I say, you know, so I wound up. You know, of course people say that. I don't sit there and say, oh, yeah, yeah, I went to, I went to prison for bank fraud. Well, you know, the truth is I could list, you want me to list eight charred, the eight frauds that it, you know, I say, yeah, yeah, it was bank fraud.

It was, and bank fraud related, you know, because I don't want to have to mention all the other charges. So I can see doing that. But he didn't have to manufacture and embellish his story. Right. Seven years is a long time to go to prison. Right. What you went to prison for was a violent crime. Right. You know, what you were doing was, you know, selling drugs, collecting for drug, for drug deaths, that sort of thing. Like, you're not, you're not lying about your crime. You may be lying about the money you were making because other people, of course, have come out and said that he was not making a lot of money. He was kind of a drug addict and, you know, whatever that he was living. He was sleeping on people's couch. of course he says oh i was a millionaire before i went to prison like come on stop that's not true yeah yeah yeah but but what bothers me is like you didn't have to embellish your story you're you have a solid story and you were building a solid i mean a solid future when you got out of prison initially yeah and it went off the rails and you became a complete you know nut job and you started

just insulting every single person and you started you know you started bullying people and running big kind of like running scams yeah and you know you're spending all this money it's funny because some of his initial things that he said when he got out of prison the things he does now let me put it this way like he he's never owned a business so people take will take them they'll pay him for like business coaching yeah for what you've never owned a successful business That's like, and listen, I've owned a construction company, a development company, a real estate company, and a mortgage company. And if you came to me and said, Matt, man, you've owned all these companies. You were super successful.

I'd like to pay you. I'm not going to take your money because all the businesses that I own were based on fraud of some type. Every one of them contains some type of fraud. Now I'm not saying I can't do the books. I can keep the books. I can tell you where to spend your money. I can do those types of things. But I'm not going to do that because it comes from a place where, of course, my businesses were successful.

They were based on fraud. Fraud was my go-to. They were always going to be successful. And I don't feel confident enough to give you advice and have you invest your money in me and the things that I say because I can't say I've run a successful business, you know, unless you consider YouTube, but that's since I got out, you know, without it being, you know, based on some type of fraud. And so that's not right. So for this guy to get out and giving people business advice. Like what are you doing? You're a drug dealer.

Yeah. You know, and apparently not a great drug dealer, not even a great criminal. Yeah. And he's just gone. He's just the more money you get, he gets, you know, you're renting a house. You're renting a vehicle. You're spending tons of fucking money. You know, it's, the stuff that, like, it is, it is an ego out of control.

Yeah. And, you know, luckily, you know, or unluckily, you know, we have YouTube and we're getting to watch it, you know, unravel. But I'm telling you right now, listen, years ago, you can watch my videos. We were talking back then talking about how it was going to unravel. There was no way he could continue to behave like this and not have a catch up to you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I said, time reals everything, right? And yeah. And it kind of just goes back to the other point I made before. It's like, you know, I've been, I've been guilty of it, right? When I first, like, I was, I didn't. come from you know money whatsoever i was broke i was poor um when i started to make money i made foolish spends right like you know that's i'm gonna get a bag right i'm gonna get bag and i got a bag because you know when you have a bag you have money and that's when you're wealthy that's what you have to do right and you know and quickly realizing like that's not actually happens like i have i have friends and know people that have coach who are just you know who have money like you know they unlimited some amount of money and you're like and you see how they act and you're like they don't act like that so when i see when i see a lot of what west does i see a lot of what i've

done before now i never take to the limit to be like hey man you know i'm making all this money i buy a bag to be like hey i i can afford this bag now and i got a cool Gucci bag but like and that was you know to me it was like you know i made this much money it's a you know reward for me but it still made me feel a certain way i thought some of actually my client about this um actually my appointment center because he likes west watson and i'll tell him the same thing about like you know the bag i had then i'm like my client when i go to when to go trainer she has a wicker back basket um next to her island in her kitchen nice nice nice beautiful house in that in that wicker basket is bags like just bags probably a good maybe 20 30 000

of designer bags that are you know just chuck there when she goes picks when up throws it over and goes out you know what i mean and that's when i was when i look at that remember one day was like Here you are with your bag, thinking you're this and that, and this is like pocket change to somebody else. It's like, people who have money don't try to show you they have money. Right. So when a guy like Wes comes out of jail, like, you know, he has like, because again, like it's like seven years. Like I guess that any jail time sucks. Like I don't do.

Whoa. It will sing for five for five months. Like you know, like, you know, jail sucks. Yeah. Any jail sucks. Seven years is, is, is, is, I don't, one year. is respectful enough to be like, I don't care, but seven years in jail, I'm pretty sure seven years in jail, probability, you're going through some natural shit. It's going to happen.

No one's going to get in jail unscathed in seven years. Some shit's going to happen to you. So you'll most likely end up having some legitimate stories in jail, whether you experience it like yourself or you've seen it close up and personal. All was he experienced in jail for seven years is again agree with you is didn't have to be touched that alone could have been like ride that story and stay there but because he probably wasn't from money probably what didn't didn't have money before or you know had kind of like wealth in his life gets out sells his story his story makes money he's now getting money has no clue what he actually has to do with it or how to you know how to really care himself like a person who actually has money and then what

happens knows people that that happens like you know I know people itself who've got you've got money you know they went in the YouTube game and all of a sudden they got a ton of money and you see them change you watch them change and you watch people change that have never really had that kind of money before because people who have money they know how to act so then and they're not influence and they're not in their life isn't changing all of a sudden so guy like west is going to come out with a store that he could have easily rode and never had any shit have in the first place i'll respect the guy i don't give a fuck you're in jail for a year or seven years doesn't matter i respect that but to that to but to fabricate it to the to the lengths that he did

to now he has to play this role he doesn't really know how to handle money and he's got to tell everybody he has money all the he's he's a perfect example of the opposite of what he says if someone says they have a lot of money they probably don't have a lot of money yeah save there's super strong, they're probably not that strong. If they say they're dangerous, they're probably not dangerous. If they say they're fucking alpha, they're probably not alpha. On July 18th, get excited. This is big!

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And it's like, it's sad, but it's a very common thing that, you know, people get on, And especially, it's YouTube in general, to be honest, because YouTube's a thing, YouTube's this, the platform where you can recreate who you are. You can come on here. And if not people really know you, or if you're that dumb to think people aren't going to do a background checks on you, if that arrogant, you'll come on here and you'll try and you'll act like something that you aren't. And right now there's a lot of guys getting exposed.

There are a lot of people who are now that like, they're just getting exposed because they're being, you know, unnecessarily arrogant. saying things in interviews where it's exposing you know who you actually are and you know it's just you know it's uh west isn't immune to it you know what I mean and now here he is where it's like he's not going to recover from this there's no fucking way he's going to recover from this you're like unless unless he's like unless he comes up and like I'll tell you this there's always one out on YouTube there's always one out and it's the it's the ultimate apology right everyone has one one ultimate and he will do it we'll do it right but but but that shows that

shows somebody's like humility right if you effed up now the liver king tried that shit and didn't work because like we all knew he was like lying he's like a piece of shit but at west is like if west came on was like yo man like i mean i fucking blew it like i can't be like you know you know like i didn't have the money much money before i thought this would you know i just you know i was you know all all the things that we know and came on like this is why I did this and and you know I thought it would create more of a persona I thought it would do this people give him pass because you still went to Joe over seven years still he still did these things or they're still like underlying truth about him but there's also like it was unnecessary like completely unnecessary like I have my

my life's I got a lot of things in my life that I've had some great roller coasters you know some obviously tear ups and downs whatever and I can easily fabricate the shit out of it because I got luck I got tattoos I can make you know I get people like I'm old enough so my story goes way back before internet time so I can I can fabricate all the shit I want but you know eventually it's like how long can you act on that for because eventually you got to you have to but then you have to live a lie right and that's just exhausting right I was going to say like I was living a lie before prison living a lie and I listen I'll tell you something this is what a buddy of mine told me one time I always like to say that I think he stole it from Einstein. But he says he didn't. He gets upset when I say. So, and it was that you cannot go to prison.

And this is really one of the things that really kind of made it click for me. And he said, you cannot go to prison and continue to behave in the manner that got you to prison and then leave prison and not expect to come back. And that's the whole thing, is that and for example for me like i left prison extremely humbled and i think that's what happened with west that's why when he first came out he was reasonable you know what i'm saying he was reasonable you know he was still kind of a kind of a act that did the tough guy thing which is kind

of a jackass move but maybe he's just a that's just who he is i don't know but i think he had been humbled and i think he was probably in a much better frame of mind and i know i was when i first got out of prison and you know i was just super happy just to be able to watch youtube just be able to turn the channel just to be like i moved into i stayed in the halfway house for seven months i lived in a in a so i lived in a rooming house in a room for you know i rented a room for this from from someone um and for 18 months i you know the first car i had i remember i had to go to miami couple months two three months when i got out of prison i had to borrow my mother's car because the vehicle i had was not going to make it to miami you know like that's how bad it was it's like ooh

this is dicey don't want to be halfway there you had to borrow my mommy's car yeah yeah yeah had no problem like oh hey do you make it okay i'm like yeah yeah i borrowed my mom's car you know they were like i know you were worried about your car yeah i borrowed my mom's car like i'm not i'm not ashamed yeah i mean is it embarrassing you know maybe it is it is but you know what i've been so humbled i'm not and i'm not concerned with your opinion of me your opinion of me means nothing you know my opinion of me and there's maybe one or two other people in my life that their opinion means something to me and other than that that's it yeah so i ended up buying another car kept it for about i had that car for about two years so and when i

moved into the place i am now and i do youtube out of here i'd been doing youtube for six or eight months and one day i realized and i had a brand new car by the way and i was thrilled with this car it was brand new you know it was like wow wasn't a great car it was like a what was it oh gosh i can't even remember it was a um a jeep sport something i mean really like a chick's jeep you know but But anyway, I was driving it and it had a little screen in it and it had a warranty. It was brand new and I was excited. And after I'd had it maybe a year or almost probably two years, let's say, and I moved in here, I've been in this place for about eight months, nine months. It dawned on me one day that I hadn't, I'd driven my car once in the last month because I wake up in the morning and my wife takes us to go work out at L.A. Fitness.

and my wife drives us back and when we would go somewhere typically like sometimes she would drive right or maybe I'd take my vehicle and we'd go somewhere to go to dinner and come back but that wasn't happening a lot right like I'm trying to get on my feet I'm not like I get a much money and and then I remember when I thought to myself I haven't driven my vehicle but one time in last month and then the last month I drove it maybe three times and the times that I drove were like to go pick up dry cleaning or go to the store to get to get creamer like i didn't need to do that i could have just called my wife and said hey when you come home can you pick up creamer yeah yeah i don't need this vehicle and i'm paying seven hundred

dollars a month with insurance and everything else and i remember i she came home one day and i went listen i'm gonna i'm gonna trade my car in yeah and she goes well i said well i was just thinking about this like i'm i don't go anywhere and i'm paying seven hundred dollars a month and i could Uber 10 or 20 times and not come up with 700 bucks because everything's right around here. And I went, if I really have to go somewhere, then I'll just take your car. And she goes, yeah, if you want to do that, that's fine. I haven't had a car in over a year. Wes Watson cannot imagine not having a vehicle.

When I tell people, when I show up somewhere in an Uber or something and I go to dinner or someone and I walk out and I call my oh I'm waiting for my Uber they go you know what's what's up your car and I go oh I don't have a car and they're like well well I mean why what's up with that I'm like I just don't need one I never drive one so I just Uber and they people look at you like yeah like because people are they're tied to that kind of thing that's like a representation of them and it's super important and yeah and I think when I went to prison it broke me all the way down and I kind of was able to rebuild my psyche the way I wanted to live. And that's tough. Yeah. Because there have been times, listen, I am an arrogant, cocky, narcissistic prick. It is a struggle for me not to do the whole.

Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Yeah. Yeah. And so every once in a while, you know, luckily I have my wife with me. And every once in a while, I'll meet a fan or something. It'll like, oh my God, bro, I watch all your stuff. You're amazing. And I'll be like, amazing. Do you hear that? He said amazing. and she'll be like, you're not all that. Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah. Well, I'm lucky. Wes obviously doesn't have anybody in his life like that.

Yeah, yeah. You have to have somebody to, you know, to yank trains. You do, you do, but you're also like, it's like, I've, I'm still going on that journey of, like, self-awareness and emotional intelligence or something. Like, I've been, that has been my 100% my main priority for over a decade. And I can tell you that even for you saying this, it's, it's not just like, I do you need someone that's in your corner. The fact that you want to do it the first place, right? Like it's, it doesn't matter, yeah, it doesn't matter like how much, how many people could be.

He might have the, he might have all the right people in this corner. I met some people that know Wes Watson that I talk to that, you know, swear that Wes is this and that and another. And I'm like, you seem like a good cat, right? Right. And, you know, maybe he has a lot of people like that in his corner, but he just, you know, it's up to that person. You have a level of self-awareness that majority people just do not have. Like that take, like, for me, like, getting a car for me was a massive thing because just for me, it was like freedom. I can now drive. And like, I used to not have money to be able to buy a car. Like a car, my first car, my mom co-signed for me. And I, it was a, it was a Hyundai Sonata. And I got, you know, my boy to put some, you know, some like, you know, subs in the back and shit. And, you know what I mean? Couldn't afford gas or it was like gas sometimes.

There's only maybe 20 bucks a tank at the time. And then the oil was never done because the car went and could put because the oil was never done. Because I couldn't afford getting the oil done, right? So the car had for like a year is now gone. right my favorite analogy when it comes to like when it's what i talk about bodies and cars i'm like if you don't put gas if you don't put oil in your car the best car in the world if you don't do it enough times cars done your body you cannot give it food the right oil it will still run the body is 100 percent efficient the car is like 35 percent efficient i got the analogy from my life

experience of like you know i want a car and get a car can't afford the car now to have the car the car is gone right so for me it was like you know getting that then the second car i got it was like car because it needs to be practical and we need to get around and works over here i got to get the clients this and that and the other and it's like it's uh it's it's a it's a it's a very hard like material things material wealth is very hard for people to really separate from value and the self-worth and when you're someone like you like myself because i have to be very aware of that you know i have a gold chain on i have a gold what this is on you know the people like you wear goals like the only reason why I have gold is because for the longest time I

couldn't wear jewelry because number one I couldn't afford jewelry but I had to get it had to be like it had to be stained the steel or something because I'd break out so I have like these like rings around my neck that were like just itchy and stuff and gold for me actually doesn't break out at all even some silver as well like I've always wanted to wear gold but couldn't I wear gold I got this from my friend anyway either way it looks good but for me when it comes like my self worth and value. It's a journey that is consistent of self-awareness to know that you have to be able to separate yourself from the material things that you think that are going to make your life that much better or make the or make you think that people receive you in a

different light if you're wearing a certain type of clothes, X, Y, and Z. And if you don't have the self-awareness, you end up draping yourself in this like expensive costume that underneath the costume is still this person faking to be in this outfit that eventually time's going to be like you're not that person and wherever you're at when that day comes could be like you know an event catastrophic like this for west or just like you know you said one of those days you were like wait a minute this is fucking stupid what am i doing just kind of get rid of it and you kind of dumb your things down and you kind of get you know get back to ground zero and live but it's yeah but it has to be like a moment of self-awareness that you have to decide yourself.

So like you're, you are, you know, you're not the normal person, like at all. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think, yeah, I was going to say, it's funny. I remember I had a buddy who was a real estate agent. He was going to buy a new car and he was a new real estate. And he was like, yeah, what do you think I should get? And I went, I mean, to get something with four doors. And he was like, why?

I said, well, because you're going to be driving clients around in it. but he was 25 years old you know what I'm saying this is what this is 20 years ago 25 years old he comes back with like you know like a like a Nissan this is back in like the 350s had come out like he comes out like a two C I'm like what do you do well just tell them to follow me and I'm like what you know what you know what you know use your head bro you know anybody you know he's a kid he's a child and so I can see having nice I would have a nice vehicle but see to me a nice vehicle is not something that's too $200,000. It's a vehicle that's, you know, 50, 60,000, maybe 100,000, well, not, not even that, but something that if I had to drive clients around or, you know, I'm bringing my, you know what I'm saying? I just wouldn't spend, I just can't imagine spending the kind of money that this guy spends. It wouldn't matter if I had it or not. I wouldn't spend it. It's something, just like you would said, I've known lots of guys that were multi-millioners. So I used to, you know, do real estate. And I would borrow money from hard money lenders.

So you have a hard money lender meet you at the house, right? Like, let's say I want to go buy a house for $100,000 because I'm going to renovate it and I'm going to try and sell it for two or $300,000. You have a hard money guy come there and he looked at the house. These guys are lending, they have credit lines worth $2 or $3 million. They have $4,000 or $5 million in the bank. They're living in a house that, and this is 20 years ago, they've got a house that's $3 million. They're showing up in a 10-year-old Volvo. Right.

Yeah. and they're in blue jeans and a t-shirt or maybe maybe an eye you know an e-zah they've had for five years and they get out and you're like this guy doesn't look like he's got you know two pennies to rub together this guy's worth millions and that's and they're always super humble and hey what what are you what are your plans here like how much that you know they're not jerk-offs they're not screaming and hollering scream it look at me look at me what are you driving oh you're driving that piece of shit you know bro the tire on my Bugatti cost with your car like or you're so trying so hard to prove yeah it's like you're going broke

proving to everyone you have money right it's just silliness and it's so insecure that this is how you behave you saw him on that the fresh and fit the the yeah that's the first that's the first time i i saw him i saw him before i'm sorry i saw a couple times before but the first time i saw it was on that that panel and uh and he started you know yelling that that dude about having bitch tits and this and that i was like but this also like i'm also like i'm so anti red pill like that whole that whole group of people like and he's one of the he's one of the the few left over from the red pill um manosphere right era right like the you know fresh and fit the andrew tates the all the you know red pill bullshit um and all those guys when i saw them come

out like all them i'm like these guys just insecure dudes it's this like red pill like what the fuck you're talking about so yeah the first time i saw him was that one time and i'm like this guys a joke yeah i would say i'm i'm probably 80% on board with those guys but the 20 the problem is i feel like 20% of you know what i'm saying like like yeah i'm okay with the you know act like a guy i act like a man wake up early yeah workout work provide like that's 80% of what they're saying the problem is they they take it too far so yeah i 100% a bully like now you you take it to a point And then you become, you start becoming a bully. And that's unacceptable.

Like now you're degraded. You start to the point where you degrade people, where you, but now you've gone too far. It wasn't one of the things that, the Andrew Tate thing, where he started saying, you know, the, you should be able to have as many wives as you want. You should be like, listen, bro, stop, stop, stop. The culture that you live in, the Western culture that you live in is what, it's what built, you know, this country. your country you know western society is based on Christian values and you're talking about you know you don't need to get married you have as many wives as you want they do what you say they're your property there it's like oh listen bro it's too much what you've gone too far find a wife be happy

have children work hard provide for your family and that's really the recipe to a successful you know be faithful that's successful for that that is the recipe for a successful wife treat people how you want to be treated like this is the same stuff that your father told you yeah yeah this is you know but the other stuff that standing on stage calling this guy you know having bitch tits and fat and he's disgusting you're not rich if if you don't make this is something that um oh gosh what's his name uh um graham uh not graham uh i forget his name anyway gosh i'd write on i can picture his face too makes me want to punch him um wait he all that dude No, he's a, he's a real estate investor.

Oh, I know. Yeah, the Cardone or? Cardone, thank you. Yeah, yeah. He got on stage and he was yelling at like he's, first of all, people are paying, they're paying $2,000, $3,000 to see you. Some are paying $10,000. Some are paying, you know, $15,000, $30,000 to come see you. And the guy's in the back, he's calling losers. Did I just pay $5,000 for you to call me a loser? And then he has this thing where he says, if you're not making $400,000,000,

plus a year, you should be ashamed of yourself. You're a loser. So you just called the guy that stocks the the shelves at the grocery store, a loser. You just called your butcher a loser. You just called fast food workers. They're all losers. The guy that sells you, your car is a loser, the mechanic that keeps this, the people that keep this country running. 90, 90% of the country, you just called losers. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're just a scumbag, bro. Like, that's just a scumbag thing to say. And not just that, your values may be off.

Some guys, they don't, I'm not saying they turn down 400,000. Some guys, they make up 50 or 100,000 a year. They teach their little kids basketball or, you know, the T-ball, and they're married, and they get to have dinner with their family every night. And that's what they wanted out of life. so your values are different than their values right right you're saying they have have your values or they're a loser like come on yeah guys i i saw it's yeah we're on the same you're how you're how old you're about my old you you're by my age no way bro i'm way

older than you i'm a hundred i'm 55 years old i mean you look for young still i'm I'm just chill it, man. You look good. I'm 40, I'm 42 this year. So you're a baby. You're a big. 402. Look, every, every, every time I get older and I was going to, and you're black.

You got the black skin. You got the good skin. I will take it out. So when you're 60, I'm going to be my 50. I'm going to be a baby still. I'll take it. I'm all for it. I was, I was, I agree.

I got it. I have to rewind because I know your boy will point. put this out in snippets and then someone's like john doesn't think does john's not an alpha male dude i'm not off and i do believe so eight 19 years ago a buddy of mine was like you need to read the rational mail and i'm like what's that and i'm like it's if anyone if you know if you know the rational mail is it's the guy who started manosphere alpha male stuff his stuff he's writing stuff were like back years ago so i actually i i started reading this stuff and the stuff you do and is in the rational

male look it up it's pretty good but it's basically every principle that all the red pill stuff is from is from this dude um the guy who created the rational male so i'm all for because i studied it and i understand what it i understand it to the actual principles of it and the principles of it i do agree with i do agree with some of it like 80 percent yeah i agree like i do agree like yes of having a family is a really good thing being a man of the house is but being a man of the house doesn't mean that my wife is some submissive useless you know just dude right dishes my mom my mom's 80 82 this year my dad just turned 86 today and my mom was was was was cooking and working and my mom was saw my dad upside the head if you know if he was you know acting up but you know i i didn't grow up in a you know

the women should do nothing all they should be serving you and they're dumb and they're stupid they they say that that kind of stuff i was like you guys had you guys had some pretty good stuff and then it went if you want people to actually change their thought process in terms of like only fans and you know actually making a point that yeah only fans yeah you're making money but it's not going to do much for you in the end and like you know yeah a guy that the guy that you want to want to be with is probably not going to want to be with that only fans that's that's normal to say that but it's also to degrade the person too is not going to sell too much either right so so i want to like make that clear that i get it i think

you know i think the guy that really resonates with me is jordan peterson yeah he's he's he's my can't he's a cany cat but uh i got my ups and down with him he's really yeah like i have like he's one of the guys who is i i can i can um so a lot of stuff he says i agree with but he's also one of those guys who are extremely intelligent in their field and then they talk out of their field and they and they kind of say things that kind of like go in circles and they're really saying much other than what they actually do know i do agree with a lot of stuff that he does say i can pinpoint a lot of things i disagree do i not like him i like him still i also think he's a brilliant mind yeah i don't have to i don't have to like everything taught you to like somebody yeah i i think he's a really

mind do i think he's like you know the man of the just some things that i won't agree with like but again when it comes down to it that whole like manosphere red pill stuff is uh that's where he's that's where that's where that's where west watson's from during when when when the pandemic happened the pandemic brought you youtube like a new breed of of creators and then i think it was during that time that's when everything like you know the black lives matter and and you know um the me too movement all these things and then alpha male red pill manosphere came out

and like everything there's always truce to the foundation and then the wrong people driving the fucking vehicle and that's that's all that's what it is and that's basically what happens is you get these guys who have these you know they take the right insights of you know the traditional nuclear family values and all that stuff

and then they sprinkle it with a bunch of bullshit that is rage bait and it sells because if you look at it like yourself, what you preach should have millions of people following it. You should be able to sell out fucking stadiums from your story, right? Because it's a real one. It's a real, it has a real, you know, meaning. It has real, you know, success. But people don't want that. They want to pay Grant Cardone.

They want to pay the idiots. who are going to sell you and tell you you're a fucking loser because you make under if you don't got 36 houses by time you're 12 it's like you know that but they'll pay for that they'll pay for west watson they'll pay what's watson money like i don't feel bad for a person that calls up west watson and gets fucked over like i don't like if you can't see that you're getting fucked over like if you can't see from the start like this sang old saying is like only fools get fool by fools right they keep you can't you know like west watson's a fool you know what i mean if you get fooled with that guy's like i'm not gonna get high by him are you saw him were you

like hey man that guy's the real deal and you're like wait a minute something about that guy you immediately were like no something wrong it's like yeah well when i heard these when i heard these prison stories i was just like so you know you've been it doesn't yeah the more he talked the more i was like no no you know and then someone were just flat i was like i that's just absolutely untrue like nobody nobody behaves like this you know last year we started off last year with with uh cat william is basically dropping the ball on everybody i'm sure you saw that yeah and then like not not not too much longer everyone's getting dismantled it's pee ditty all right like nothing like it's not done yet you know what i mean like those are just those are all things that are just unraveled and like

part of west watson thing it was part of last year so like this is this 2025 is going to be the the year that everything gets revealed right all the things that we're wondering about with like these cases and these you know these uh you know people will be getting exposed we're going to see the results of all those like who's who's going to be the list of names who's going to be what's going to happen to west watson who's going to who's the next fake guy and i could tell you know there's a lot of guys even in our fitness industry that are that are slowly being like being you know um exposed as being like not exactly who they say they are you know what i mean like it's just i think this is that year that that uh in the in the numerology

number it's nine is a year of like you know transformation and like you know leaving all things behind them and you know fully moving forward so maybe we're going to see all of that happen very soon so i think in the next couple weeks i'm going to see it they're going to be videos galore i'll know i'll know probably this week um from john johns tirelessly he needs to be like an fbi or something like he's in the wrong profession like it's the amount of stuff he gets out of this like i don't know it's pretty crazy i'm i was going to say i'm actually doing a video tomorrow with a guy who has a whole conspiracy theory based on the why or the fires in L.A.

I mean, you know, because there's all these theories. And it's so funny because I remember thinking, like, I'm kind of listening to the theories. I'm like, oh, come on. And then Gavin Newson comes on and is already talking about rebuild. Like, they're still burning. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about, yeah, we've got a whole new plan.

We're going to do this. We've been talking to. It's like, bro, people are still, they're still finding bodies. Yeah. What are you talking about? You know, it's. and and he's he's like he's in front of like a bunch of burning buildings and he's all smiling and yeah what are you doing bro your whole sit burned down because you're an idiot i think i think we're

just or i think we're in for a uh a year to just i you know what i mean like i think a lot of us like i don't maybe agree but like my last year was like uh was a challenge like it was like a very challenging year and I got through it and I I know I definitely I'm grateful for the challenges because it made me stronger and I feel like this year it's like what else can you do to me man I'm ready for this year but I feel like this year is is gonna be one of those like it's gonna show us a lot of the finished the finished stories of a lot of things that we you know that were that were kind of like still waiting for you know what I mean like and there's and and and be honest like people are getting

sloppy like the more and more the more and more technology evolves the more we see how sloppy humans are in terms of like them you know being honest you know being a little how low they are what kind of information they actually want to put out or find out our governments aren't as honest as they were or health system or all these things that we're seeing more and more of the more technology starts to evolve the faster word gets around you can't hide anymore you can't you can only hold lies for so long your secrets are no longer ever secrets you know so it's I'm like a conspiracy theorist but I definitely definitely after the old vid situation and you know I'm just kind of

like I look at things a little more you know skeptically yeah I'm a more of a skeptic you know skeptic when I'm like I don't know it seems a little too seems a place too easily in that situation like you know so I don't know state farm canceling insurances well houses are being burned it's like so what's like what the fuck like that's a thing you know so i don't know yeah yeah i'm not sure how that's possible but yeah i hear you it's possible we'll see we'll see it'd be an interesting year yeah yeah listen hopefully people just keep watching youtube i just need people to watch myself you're gonna i was watching stuff with youtube um if you because it's funny when you're

talking about like how did you how's you how was you two doing this and that and i was i got you know i was always watched because i'm always trying to look up for whatever you know and i was watch this one um creator and like people are watching youtube differently if you recognize that your views or some or subs or whatever it's because of this and i was like okay i know for sure that they're actually are listening to us because i know it's a fact like there's no there's no there's no events or bust about it your phone's on you got to turn the part i figure what is but if your phone's on right now and you're talking it is track it is listening to what you're saying so they're no right so as soon as i got off and i was on there i was

like what the hell and she was literally saying that people are watching youtube way differently now than last year they're like people are they're they're they used to watch it because they're like really they want to be informed now they're they're watching it before like even last year they're recognizing that they're watching it because out of just sheer habit right so they're they're doom scrolling and a lot of you know they're watching stuff on youtube just because they're watching it now people are being more aware of what they're watching so now they're just dropping off things that they no longer want to have interest in or find that you know or bring you know what I mean so there's a lot of things that are happening with viewers in terms of like

their awareness of what is what is social media mean to me in my life and if you're not adding to that person now they're just cutting you off right so if they don't want to hear about crime anymore gone they're like they realize oh by the way fitness is actually like fitness is actually sickening in my life and i don't want to hear about that shit anymore i'm cutting off fitness and there there goes you know ex-nonous like so a lot of these things are happening i've i was doing a big dive into you know the state of of the uh the mindset of the subscribers you know so it i was going to say i definitely you know what what i equated us having a

our numbers were down and partially in no it started in you know in November and December but that was really we kind of we considered that as a result of the election because everybody was focusing they were consuming political content and then and then of course afterwards it was the

aftermath and now this month it's the same thing it's just more of the same because now now it's all the of what Trump's doing, you know, every other day he's making some new decision and saying something new that it's causing people to go, the left is going, ah, it's chaos. And the right's going, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so it's, it's once again, it's just more. So, you know, I was talking to Colby and we were hoping all of our, we're hoping all of our numbers. Once he takes office, we're like, well, once he takes office, we're hoping. I'm thinking once he takes

office, then it's probably even more of the same. So it may be another, I was thinking, yeah, once he takes office it'll be February will be better but the truth is I'm thinking maybe March or April like we probably have a few bad months ahead of us yeah I think I think it's gonna you know I think it's just the way you purpose your your content your content is great I think it's if you play within you know the some of the topics that are happening keyword them and kind of get people in I think you I think you're probably fine yeah we're gonna kind of why we're focusing more on trending topics yeah yeah we're gonna try and do more trending topics like this yeah yeah yeah i personally don't think like i don't know enough about the west watson thing

isn't enough you know what i'm saying like it's not enough it's not like engrossing because it's been done and then it's hard because you can't show the video and it's it's a it's a timing thing if he gets when he gets charged and suddenly there's a bunch of articles that's a whole other wave of west well yeah like so for me i piggyback as soon as i as soon as you know um john put that has a video out i'll do a reaction to it immediately because if i do one i know i'll get good views on it if i do one after greg ducet gets it and then someone else gets it i'm like this thing's not getting anything so it's like you got like when it comes to reaction and stuff it has to go out immediately if you wait for it a day like because i'll the videos i put it like usually i post every you know um five days a week

on this on a 12 o'clock you know a noon time or one o'clock and it will get your views when it's a reaction video the west watch and stuff like literally put it up like i was like get the video right now i'll do a video i'll do recording my guy put this out and it'll be like you know eight o'clock at nighttime and i'll get really good views because people are in people are just interested in what's going on right you want your perspective on it you know you just got like you can't you can't say the same thing that he's saying it's like you know they know that it's coming to my channel they're going to get a good perspective of like what's your perspective of this situation and especially if you know people that are involved in it too or you know because me and john are our buddies and people know that

we've you know we've you know talked with each other's channels it's like it's almost like a collaboration in a sense where you know i want to you know i know i know this i know the situation but i want to hear this guy's point of view on this and what's this guy say about this thing too and it become this like you know roundtable almost so it's it's it's all about like when you post it and then like how how you deliver what you're saying, right? Because again, like, you can have somebody watch it. And if they're like, fuck, this video sucks in like, you know, 30 seconds, there goes your views, right?

So it's, yeah, it's, uh, I think, I think you, I think you get a lot out of the video, to be honest. Like, it's, it's a good topic. It's, um, there's a lot you can learn from the situation on a lot of fronts. Like, we've covered a lot. And it's like, like I said, like, when I come, it comes to YouTube, you got to be, you got to stay who you are. because if you decide to be something and you start getting views because of that you have to stay that person right as soon as you deviate from there people don't want to watch your content it's like a same same thing for me is like i've got i almost got pigeonholed into just doing only fucking training videos like if i talk and i i made sure that i did like i have four pillars nutrition training supplementation mental health so any kind of video i put out it has to have some of those those pillars in there but in some degree

So I, at one point, it was almost like, if you don't do how to do this or a five best, five worse video, you're not getting views on anything. So I made sure that I did different types of content. So I, you know, so I don't get like kind of like watered down or just like pigeonhole. But, you know, if you get pigeonholing and do it, you're fucked. And that's Wes Watson. That's a lot of guys who, they got to be that guy now. And then all of a sudden if I try to be that actor that new guy, it's like, I don't want to watch anymore. The algorithm doesn't work with you.

well we'll see what we'll see what he does with this we'll see what happens over the next year he's exactly because it's gonna take it's like you know you know what court works re-man delayed remand delay push it off man that's yeah that's like a year's worth of content coming out so what is the name of your channel johnny shrieve okay yeah it's like johnny shrieve But it's just Johnny Shreve. It's the easier cost brand. Everything's Johnny Shreve. Right.

Johnny ShrewFitness.com. Johnny ShreveFitness.com. Johnny Shreve, same thing. Makes it easy. Do you do? You know what? No. I do and I don't.

I hate TikTok. I just, it's just another platform. It's like, oh, I've learned the algorithm. And this apparently is going to get canceled pretty soon. Well, and if you're in Canada, you can't monetize it. You can't. So yeah, that's the other thing, too. Like, it's like, you can't.

So you can't. you can by getting a VPN and or get somebody to manage your channel in the States which is ridiculous so but yeah like our our law is like our you know our government actually is our prime minister literally yeah he got canceled literally but he made he made a plan that he passed a bill that that F dars our viewership when it comes to the it's a bill C-11 it's actually a censorship act they brought back and disguised it as another as another fucking whatever but it literally effed our views um we can't post certain things i can't we can't even see like i can only see cnn fox abc mbc if i

have my vpn on if i don't it's blocked i can't see it so it's like yeah it's so it's like youtube instagram instagram that's all i say too snapchat yeah it's snapchat snapchat but yeah that's all platforms i'm on Johnny Shreve, that's it. Are they going to be able to reverse that when the new guy comes in? So that's one of my test to see if, like, let's see if things actually change because it's a very easy thing to change. That's something that he put in because he was, like, you know, you heard about the freedom rally with the trucks that drove across Canada to the capital

and we're going to make a bunch of change, whatever. Because of stuff like that, he put in this law. so there wasn't any more misinformation that was put around X, Y, Z. So for me, that's a very easy thing to tell if our government's going in the right direction, if they cancel out things that he's put in place. And that's a very easy thing to be like, hey, man, that shouldn't be there, take it away. There you go. But if that doesn't go after he's gone, then I'm like, for sure, you guys are just a bunch of jokes.

The government's just say what they want to say to make sure that we keep our shut it or we don't you know we can fuss enough but not too much to actually make any type of real change so we'll see if that happens he also stepped down but made it so nothing can happen until march so stupid shit man hey you guys i appreciate you watching do me favor if you like the video hit the subscribe button um also we're going to leave all of uh all of johnny's uh links in the description box so go in the description box click on them follow him, uh, and subscribe to his channel. Uh, once again, I appreciate you watching. And please consider joining my Patreon. I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See you.