Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - WES WATSON STORIES ARE FAKE | EX GANGSTER REVEALS THE TRUTH

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

WES WATSON STORIES ARE FAKE | EX GANGSTER REVEALS THE TRUTH

I knew West Washington was a flake before I even never watched any of the prison genre channels. He's one of his videos, like he doesn't respond to nobody when they attack up, but he actually responded a little bit. I don't see why people have to talk about other people. He can't discredit what's being put out there. That's straight from the Department of Corrections. You can't deny that. He ain't ran no prison yard. I may be what I am, but I've ran prison yards.

You know what I'm saying? I was part of an organization. I recruited people. I've really had people and stuff like that. This dude has it. And I came across you because you did a video on West Watson. Oh, yeah.

Right. So how did that come about? I knew West Watson was a fake before I even never watched any of the prison Jodder channels, right? A lot of these dudes that came on back then were fake, man. All these dudes that, like, they were never part of no gangs or organizations. They were just, they just sat there and did whatever they needed to do. They were the base limit convicts.

All these dudes that have 500,000 to a million subscribers, they were no buddies in the game. so when I see Wes Watson I never want to attack him because I have nothing against I have no hate towards him but he's fake his stories when I heard the story

he did about the shoe and I was in the shoe indetermined he's talking about the South Siders are up at 3.30 I never seen the South Siders get up past 545

ever ever you know what I'm saying he's talking about fucking how they put him this all this shit that he's talking man I'm like man this shoe's full of it

like just everything he's saying he's just you can just tell and he's talking about how dominant his group i'm like dude your groups not even even the top three as far as the most dominant groups in the prison system this to be real you know you're not going to run nothing by no orders you're going to do whatever the southsiders tell you to do in most places so quit trying to pretend and then when i started hearing the level four stuff i got at somebody i know who knows how to get at somebody to get the records pull and so they pulled it and so if you looked at it it shows donovan which was reception which is he said he went from

Setanella before he went to he went to the shoe he said and then he said he went to Setanella before he went to Arizona doesn't show he went to Setanella it says he went straight from fucking Donovan to fucking Arizona you know what I'm saying

so I'm looking at all this stuff and I'm watching his videos I'm like I already knew he's full of shit but I'm like dude this shit right here just fucking proves everything he says he's full of shit he never was no level four the officer that that gave us to the person I know

said that he never did no shoe time there's no street trim that he allegedly claimed so it's all bullshit so I'm like you know what man I dropped it for two reasons one it's gonna get fucking views right you're real that was the number one reason why I dropped it because sometimes hey there's some things

we need that bump in our channel for that week you know you could have 100,000 subscribers but only getting 2,000 other videos sometimes yeah okay you could have 20,000 subscribers but every video is hitting 3040 so that right there will give me the jump I know it too why not why not tell people with the truth

you know um i'm not hating on what he accomplished i'm saying that the do's a fake you know it's like if you went to uh whatever ever training seminar or you're a sports fanatic and you want to go to some quarterback school you know you think you're getting fucking coached by fucking joe montana man but literally you know you're getting fucking coached by a fucking high school for it that's the entirety of it and um that's up for people to make the decision if they want to support him or not that's up to them he maybe is a good motivator i mean i wouldn't that nobody talks to me the way he talks to people people. You mean? We'd be having issues, straight up.

Right. And when I see that, I'm like, fuck, man, get these people like, and people, it's funny though, some people will defend them though. Like, it's like, fuck here, it's like, why they got West Watson like that? It's like, come on, man. You know, he's nothing that he portrays to be. You know, I did a video about him, you know, paying the AB. I'm like, I never said that he had to pay the AP. He said it on no jumper. He's the one that made that first statement

Oh, I could just throw some money If I'd go back in this, that You're not to go fucking whack the shit out of him, man You know what I'm saying? He was never on the level four He paroled from a CCF, level two So at the end of that, it just shows up to 2015 That shows the last place he was housed in Arizona

I don't know when he came back to the state But he came back, I think, to a CCF So he had to go through reception So I heard he went through Delano, they told me So him from Delano, then he went to the CCF Which is not even a prison And those are fucking private-owned fucking cast, basically. Right.

He was never in no shoe. He was never on no level four yard. And he was out of state that's all there's to it. He wasn't running no yard. I don't think he was a punk or nothing. But he was not the mad that he portrays to be on fucking YouTube. Right. Well, I mean, listen, there's lots of guys like that.

You know, there's lots of, you know, you hear the stories and it's like, that doesn't sound right. Like, I don't see how you're behaving this way in prison. And I don't see these stories that you're, I'm not saying they're not true, but I don't see all these different things happen to you. And, you know, and look, I got people that, you know, people send me emails and they, you know, they, they contact me on Instagram and, you know, they'll shoot me, you know, we shoot messages back and forth. But, you know, and guys are like, listen, like they're saying all kinds of stuff about him. Like, look, like that, like that he ended up getting some kind of a benefactor right away that basically has him put him up so he can shoot videos in like a con. so that he's driving a vehicle, that it's not his. Like, it's all these things. Like, it's the whole fake it till you make it. You know, and that's, you know, I get it.

Some people do that. But I also kind of get his story, too, because let's face it, and I got out of prison and never mentioned that I cooperated. I could have said I filed two 2255s, got my sentence reduced twice. I could have come up with some bullshit story. And I got 26 years, but I ended up meeting this guy, and he filed 22255 for me, got you know seven years knocked off my sentence and and five years knocked off my sentence

and could have come up with some bullshit reason nobody's got to check nobody's got to go pull up page or look so I could have done all that but I just thought you know what transparency you got to be transparent well you know what I thought was and and this happened in prison I kind of thought you know what like all your bullshit lies and fraud got you here and I remember my buddy Pete telling me this my buddy Pete said you cannot you cannot go to prison continue to behave the way you did prior to prison get out of prison and not expect to come back to prison and I thought all my bullshit fraud all these scams all these lies if you get out and you continue bullshitting people

you're going to end up back in fucking prison so you know what if you have to tell the truth and you're going to get some shit for it you're going to get some shit for it fucking say it. Be honest. Be one of the only honest guys out there. And the people that matter will appreciate that. Yeah. The people that don't matter won't. Fuck them. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's the

same. It seems like the same. You know what's funny? He finally did not respond to it, but he gave a little response to it if you notice. Oh, yeah. What was it on? What? It was one of these videos, like, he doesn't respond to nobody when they attack him, but he actually responded a little bit. I don't see why people have to talk about other people. You're fucking fake. man. You don't mean accept it, bro. I mean, like,

now you're going to discredit it. You can't discredit what's being put out there. That's straight from the Department of Corrections. You can't deny that. Right. No same. It's like the liver king. Like, bro, you're fucking, you're, you've got an amazing fucking physique. He's doing a bunch of stuff like, why are you going to lie

about the steroids? Just say you're fucking doing, like, it's part of your scam, that's why. Yeah. I don't, I just, I'd just rather not, I'd rather not be that person. No, and he's going to get, he's got to get, um, he's going to get his supporters, right?

Some people, why you got to hate other mad? It's not even hating another man, just keeping it real. If I can be transparent about my story, which is going to get a lot more criticism than anything he's done, right? Right. Why can he be real about his? He ain't ran no prison yard. I may be what I am, but I've ran prison yards.

You know what I'm saying? I was part of an organization. I recruited people. I've made, I've really had people stabbed in prison and stuff like that. This dude has it. Right. You know what I'm saying? There's no credibility there.

me I may have done what I did because I felt I felt what I did was the right thing from my family whether people were real with or not I don't care it was right for me and my family but at the end of the day you can't discredit everything that I've been through or what I done or who I was you know I'm saying it's all right there so people are going to hate either way

and with him it's like man you know fuck I wish I would have got on YouTube sooner where are you now are you in are you in California or are you in I'm going to hear it right now. Okay. You know, everybody raised in California?

California, Bay Area, to be exact. Okay. You know, small town, um, Pitas, California, which is on the outskirts of San Jose. So I had everything. Open this way, San Jose, this way, San Francisco, just in the center of the bay. Small community, um, very diverse as far as, uh, different races. You had Mexicans, you had blacks, you had, uh, Filipinos, you had Asians, you had everything. So I didn't really grow up in an event.

very racial environment. It was one of those very diversified environments. Right. What about your parents? What did they do for a living? Okay, well, my mom, my dad was a car salesman at that time, right? He was actually the general manager at Stevens Creek European, which at that time, they were the only the second dealership that

did the European cars. So this is in the midst of the 80s, 90s. Right. Well, and he was a general manager there and it was rabbi some Armenians that I remember their name is Philip and Morduke right that was their names and man they were doing I don't know they were doing a lot of illegal things back there you know I'm saying there was it was a whole different type of era a lot of the local drug dealers like in Richmond and uh seaside all that used to go

in there and um what they would do is they would lay 10 20,000 dollars at a time and lease a car for a couple months and get a demo right because it'd be Lamborghinis Ferraris and all that kind of stuff and I remember as a kid man young man my dad would come home with like a suitcase all kinds of money he never got arrested for anything you know what I'm saying as I got older I asked man what was all that money about that's what he told me was what they used to do back then was the drug dealers

this in the 80s they would lease the cars to them because they couldn't purchase them because the feds would try to get for tax evasions at that time so um my dad that's how my dad was you know he was a big mad very violent um very abusive nobody tried his best my mom uh she was raised in military family she was a real estate broker later on in life so um but at first she was just a regular stay-at-home mom and uh she was a victim of uh domestic violence as well you know what i'm saying so it was like one of those houses where you're you're you're scared what you have to save the house because you don't know what's gonna make dad tick at the time you know what i was one of those ones that just wanted attention and shit but i like i remember i would sit there

sit there, wait for him to come home and he would just come here and rub my head and just go on about his business and shit, man. So, I had one of her brother and then one older sister. My sister she ran as soon as she could, she could, man.

My brother was about three years younger and stuff and, you know, he kind of didn't go down the same path as me, but he started to suffer from these shit, you know what I'm saying? And now he's doing good, man. He has a YouTube channel too. He has like, over 30,000 subscribers.

He has a business where he's making over 200 round a year. And, you know, we all went different ways, you know? Right. Well, sometimes it takes time to equal out. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you've got to hit rock bottom go through some shit before you go. Listen, this isn't working. Like, I'm better off with less than, you know, you know what I mean?

Like, I'm better off with less and just live it a better life than what I'm doing. Sometimes it takes a lot for people to get there. Most definitely. So, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, I was going to say, so, I mean, like, when you, you know, you were to high school, did you stay in that area? Or did your parents stay together?

I mean, what? Let me get to that. It's kind of interesting, right? You know, being a neglected kid, right? I always wanted to catch you this shit, so I didn't really have any male figures really, male models in my life. And that, like, like, five, six years old and stuff, right? my dad elected to put me in t-ball right and this is a true story right so the first t-ball game right when

i went to run right i was running like a fucking girl right right it's it horrified my dad and everything so immediately that following week i was in taekwondo so i was at west coast taekwondo and um that kind of took me in a whole different different way you know i mean that's when he started get involved in my life, but I used to compete, do demos and all that kind of stuff as a young kid. But it was kind of interesting that, you know, before that, you know, you had to have been there, man, like, being as a kid, like, I was neglected, so I didn't know the basic things to do. Even when I went to prison, there were certain things as a man that I didn't know what was supposed to do. You know what I mean? I didn't know that shave right. I didn't know certain things that no father,

that each father was supposed to show you. I don't know if it was contributed to my dad not in all, because the way he was raised, he was raised down south, you know what I'm saying? He had a, his mom was Native American and his dad was crippled from polio. And she was underage, I guess, and she had three kids with him, and she ran off with a preacher.

Imagine that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, he came from one of those hardline type of lifestyle, so nowadays when I talk about all this stuff, it doesn't, I don't have no hate towards my dad or my mom, it is what it is. You know, I think that they did the best, that they could at the moment.

That's my feeling. Right. So how long, I mean, how did that, you know, develop? I mean, did you, you know, so the Taekwondo, I'm assuming, kind of toughened you up a little bit. Yeah. And you go to, you end up in middle school. Middle school.

And by then I was always, you know, fighting, getting in trouble. You know, I would do, I would go to the extreme. I was an attention seeker. So I like the attention. You know, I do things at school just because I want to be attention to be popular and whatnot. Getting fights. You know, the gang stuff came up later on around 8th grade, 9th grade. That's when the gang lifestyle started.

And by then, they had already got through a split. My mom was, like I said, she was a homebody. And this was around 1990, I think, 89. She got her real estate license and stuff. And so I'm pretty sure you know as a real estate agent in the beginning, you don't always make money unless you're selling houses. No, take the same. And so my dad, my dad had all the money. My brother won with my dad.

I won my mom and my, my brother over there had everything. We were over there struggling. So I was already selling dope by the time I was like 14, 15 years old just to have clothes. How that, I mean, how did, like, how did that come about? Were neighborhood kids you saw them doing it? Somebody approached you, like. Just the neighborhood, just rode up in the neighborhood and wanted to experiment, you know, looking at the older homeboys and wanted to be just like them and just you gravitate towards

where you get acceptance, you know, and that's just how it was for me is I was one of those kids where I was running away, but I was already like 12 years old, 13 years old. I was living on the side of the freeways and it wasn't if I came from a bad home though. Don't get me wrong as far as financially wise. It was just the things that were going on at home that were not good. And nothing to do, like people don't understand that. It had nothing to do with the financial part of it. Later on it was. With my mom, we were struggling. But at the beginning, it wasn't always like that. So I didn't come from no, like, we were middle class, you know, basically, my dad basically, uh, spent what he wanted to spend his money on. Basically, if we didn't have nothing coming, we had nothing

coming. That's just how it was. That doesn't sound good. No, it wasn't good. It wasn't good. It wasn't good. So you're, you're, uh, you know, um, fighting for your, you know, fighting for the scraps or fighting just to stay alive to, you know, get enough that keep yourself going. Um, so what happened, like, you know, in high school, like, if you're selling drugs, and this is in middle school? No, that was about, that was middle school high school. Okay. So you're selling drugs. I mean, are you, you just doing it to, you know, just to get enough money or are you actually thinking, hey, I can turn this into something? Are you, do you get, you get, you know, I got caught.

I got caught doing it, right? And I told my mom why I was doing it. And then, She figured out her way to get some clothes, you know, same. Because before, like, I'd have to borrow clothes from the homeless from my neighborhood sometimes, right? Like, the shoes would be fucking too small, like, my feet would be bleeding, you know? Or the pants would fit. I'd have to find a way to fucking sag or do whatever I could because we just didn't have that, you know? And, you know, we made do with what we had. And it was just, you know how it is in high school.

If you start to have, like, you know, you never have kids just to put, like, patches over the holes, the moms did. You start getting stuff in high school. When you're in high school, man, people were. to make fun of you. So I would do what I could and get what I could. Because I was never, I was never a good thief. That was never one of those ones that go in there and go to Kmart or whatever it was back in and steal fucking a whole bunch of clothes. I just couldn't do it. I'd get caught. You know what I'm saying? So with someone drugs was a little bit easier for me. So how long did that go on? I mean, did you end up graduating high school or did you get caught

before that? Like, I ended up, uh, I didn't finish high school. I needed to go into the boys' ranch. Um, for what? What? For, for, for, for a, so with a deadly weapon, a knife. What, what was that? What happened there? Long, okay. Now a long story, right? I can get the time. he had to do with my sister and her boyfriend at the time and they were a little bit older I was about 16 years old and I was coming down from crank I think at the time

and you know I didn't want to go to school so I wasn't going to go school I wanted to sleep and so her and boyfriend were trying to wake me up and they started saying I was on drugs and so I grabbed a fucking knife and I started chasing after her and boyfriend right and they just took off running and so I go back into the house I go to sleep but all I just want to do is sleep next to you know I'll wake up My police department was a gun straight at my head.

I'm only like 16 years old. Like, oh, shit. So they got me for assault with a deadly weapon. From there, I went to Juvenile Hall. I was going to end and out. Juvenile all the time for stolen cars. Just stupid stuff at the time, right? Nothing major yet.

Nothing major until I went to prison, you know. But at that time, I was just trying to fit in. Joy riding, you know, beer and runs. Stuff like that is what I was doing. It was basically innocent, not innocent. stuff, but teenage type of stuff, you know, I mean, we've all done that. You know, beer runs, smoking weed, breaking into abandoned apartments to go kick with some females, stuff like that. That was the level of prize I was committing.

But you ended up in the, and you said like kind of like the boys ranch? Yeah, boys' ranch. How long was that? How long was that for? For juvenile? Like, I think I was there for like 15 months. Whoa. But that's because I ran, I ran twice. So, okay, so you're, I mean, you understand that most kids, they get in trouble. If they do get in trouble, they get probation and then that's it. But you're, but that's, that, but you ended up with a 15-month sentence. 15 months sentence.

Well, it wasn't, it was based upon how good you did. The program I had to do was only three and a half months. I turned it into a 15-month sentence. I'm lucky I didn't go to the youth authority, which was prison basically for juvenile. Because I caught an assault with a deadly weapon when I was in. the juvenile, oh, I hit some dude. A little melee happened with some Sudanials arrived, which is a rival gang, and I ended up hitting one with a chair. Okay. So you were already in a gang? Yeah, at this point. Yeah.

And how did that happen? Did you approach them? They approached you? They approached us one night. One night we were just kicking back with a couple of the older romeboys, and, you know, they started drinking, right? And they're getting riled up. So they wanted to go fight somebody or jump somebody in. So they ended up jumping. and me and another homeboy in that night. And it's just like any other gang, you know, they just take off on you for about like, you know, 45 seconds, 60 seconds, a bunch of kicks, a bunch of, you know,

they were in a steel toe, so it was pretty bad, you know. I never, I couldn't even fill my hands afterwards, and I didn't get one good hit in there at all. But I was probably about 14 years old at that time. Okay, so you end up in the, in whatever, the boys ranch. I want to, I want to say juvie, but in the boys ranch, and it drags out for 15 months which is ridiculous

and so you get out I mean you didn't graduate high school in the well I guess you were pretty young well I ended up put it this way I had to go to the county jail to get the time done I actually never graduated the program because I actually ran the last time right before I was 18 and they caught me

so I had to do 60 days in the county jail went from juvenile hall to the county jail and this is what I was like you know I was a kid this is in the nine he's in and I don't know what to expect. I still won't forget that. That was a very scary time at first. You know what I'm saying?

Because you heard all the stories about dudes raping young kids and shit like that and, you know, getting abused and all that. And you don't know what to expect. So I remember they walked me from juvenile hall to the county jail. And then they sent me to one section. That was the...

There was actually where I'm from my city, right? But it was like a big dorm with like 200 girl men, all been to prison. And it was just a whole different atmosphere from going from the boys' ranch the juvenile law to now County Jail. Was County Jail better? It ended up being better.

At first I was a little nervous, right? But after a couple of people that knew me, you know, that kind of made it made a little bit easier and just the more actions to walk around and do what you wanted to do, but it was just, it was totally different. Whereas in juvenile hall, it was more structured for us. County Jail was, you know, to do what you want pretty much. Yeah, it's just trying to keep yourself.

occupied. Yeah. The hard, the worst part about being in prison is trying to just keep yourself occupied and entertained is there's just nothing to do. In jail anyway, in prison, at least you can go out to the yard and you can, you know, there's some stuff to do, but still, it's a lot of downtime. Um, so when you got out, like, what's your mom saying, bro? What is your mom saying? Is she coming to see you and saying he was like, shape up? What are you doing? Man, she couldn't, she couldn't control me at that time. Nobody could. I got to that point to where I didn't care. it didn't matter and you know what I'm saying I feel bad now but like there's nothing she could do she pretty much had to write it out like you know I knew she cared but there was nothing that she's

seen that she could do that would change anything and like I was the one that she worried the most of all her kids was me you'm saying I'm the middle kid so I'm over there I'm you know first week out of county jail my car gets shot up out there getting the shoot out you know what I'm saying we're having people could we had a shootout at my house as well you know what I'm saying so like I think the first month we had about let me see there was about four or five shootings that we had that were all involving me one of them was my car and uh what ended up I was only out for about six months and that's when I kind of drive-by shooting and then it ended up catching my prison case and then lo and behold my mom was actually selling the house right the house that we lived in

I did the drive-by shooting in her car right I thought I got away I thought I got away with the smooth right I'm a kid right I thought I got away with a smooth so as I'm coming I won't ever forget it

I got another homeboy and I see all the cops come and the cops come out of nowhere and the house they had me they had my mom it was my homeboy all at gunpoint

basically men just do all that stuff right and I come out like one of those guys on cops you know what are you guys doing here what are you guys doing here like, you know, like a young kid, like a fucking idiot, right? Here's my language, and they got me. And on that case right there, the bad thing about that case was

everything went wrong. Not only were they not in the house at the time we did the shooting, their mom was driving right behind me as we had the gun out there went to shooting at the house. So I ended up getting a five-year prison term on that. You know, and that was my first standing prison and was based upon that shooting. So real quick,

The shooting, this is basically what, like, you're, like, guys in the gang saying, hey, we're going to go shoot up this house. These are rivals or something. Yeah, basically. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Um, so you get five years.

Where are they send you? Where is it? This is a still, and this is in California. So where do you go first? Like, in there, like a, like a, like a. It's a, they have a reception center. I mean, like, I went to San Quentin Reception Center. This was in the 90s.

Um, that's probably a year was. but I fought it for a little bit, right? And when I was fighting it, I played guilty, took a deal, right? I ended up catching a... I almost caught another assault with a daily weapon, the Captain Murder, when I was in the county jail, right? But just played guilty, and they tried to get me for a slice where a dude got sliced from your to ear, right?

And this is, I'm a kid, and this is an interesting story, too, right? It all started over... I was watching the TV, and there's this one dude, man. He used to come in there, and he was a big... old dude, like, well, I was just, you see, like, in the prison movie, just fat with a big old, no, stuff like this, and he's fighting three strikes, right? And I just didn't like him, though, because he was always getting pulled out by the cops at different hours working. He was always in the cops' ear, just looked funny to me, right?

And this was about 96. So, back then, there was no structure politics really in the county jail, right? You can sleep up there, you can get high if you wanted, you can do whatever you want. It's not like that nowadays. So everybody's asleep, and I'm up when I'm watching X-Man, the cartoon. Now, this guy goes up to the TV and he changes it to fucking NASCAR racing. Now, now, today I like NASCAR racing, and I didn't know if sports always take president over everything else. I didn't know this. But I thought he was disrespecting, so I went and broke my razor, came from behind, and I hid him from here to ear. Bam.

And then I hit him again right there, and then I kicked him right while he was standing up. He was a big old fat dude. And, you know, I feel like I made him look like a bitch, right? And I went back to go to sleep. Right? And so, did you think he was just going to walk away and be okay with it? See, I was a young kid. I thought, I didn't think that there was, like, jailhouse informants and snitches like that.

I didn't know that right off top they were going to know who it was within like a half hour. Right. I mean, they came and I never, I won't ever forget it. They pulled me out first and they came back and they read me my rights. And, you know, I started acting up because I just played guilty, like I said, to a drive-by shooting. and so I started hitting my fucking my head on the window and acted all tough and crazy

the cops fuck you motherfuckers and they came in they beat the shit out of me man they beat the shit out of me man they had me all tight up with all kinds of like chains and stuff like that and uh were dragged me basically dragged me

because I was only about let me see I weighed about 135 pounds I was like 6-2 back then right was a skinny, scrawny kid and then I see our little paper boy he ceased me so I'm like oh shit he's wondering what's going on right

because he works I guess somewhere with a free staff there so for about a week they were trying to give me to admit that I stabbed this dude they were coming back and forth back in forth back and forth and I was like I don't know to tell you guys and they even tried to send him in there

and then finally they told me it's going to be interesting because I actually ran into this dude years later in prison right actually they actually tell me like look the dude told us that you stabbed him but he doesn't want to be on paperwork as a snitch you'm saying?

Right So basically, you know, we're done with you. Yeah. All right. Okay, cool. You know? So that right there, they were trying to give me for attempted murder,

but they just couldn't buy out the charges because he didn't want to be on paperwork. Right. But he had, I think he got like about 72 or 172 stitches, somewhere that range, staples and all that. You know, nothing that proud of today, though, at all. um so then then what after you stay at at i mean after you stay at the reception center and what are they they i'm sure your classification must have been that didn't help your

classification where they send you simi salano level three level three okay how do the levels work um basically i think it was a zero i forgot could be wrong zero to seventeen i think was level one i think it was like like 18 to 31 was like level two or something like that and then 30 32 to 51 was level three and then 52 and over was level four I know 52 and over was level four because I ended up with like a hundred or seven points being um that started I think with only like 30 points so are you saying like like so the first level is that like kind of like a low a medium uh okay so so basically you went straight to basically what like a pin yeah it's the only living so

Not the highest level pin, but a pin. Yes. Okay. I'm trying to think of the federal system. I'm thinking, you know, low, medium pin. Probably like a, probably like, um, let me see, uh, you have the USPs, FCIs are, are what, silly of you, right? Um, um, uh, it depends. Yeah, yeah, I mean, typically, yeah, there's cells, but, you know, there can be, it can be, like the low I was at was, um, it was open.

Bay. But it was a load. Now, at the mediums, they're all cells. You know, you got the stainless steel combo, toilet sink in there. They close it. They can feed you through the doors. They don't ever have to let you out. Okay. We would have to let you out for a shower. So this would be a step below USP. Okay. Basically. Yeah. That'll see a CCF. So I went to Slotto and was there and that was just a, that was done by drugs and prison politics. So I was on that yard. It was it was, it was, of the hood. I never seen so much drugs ever just in one prison. And this was one prison to where we actually had, our numbers were pretty good. You know what I'm saying? As compared to other

places where they're not so good. As you know, Sudan is a property, the more dominant as far as population-wise in the California system. What comes between the two groups. The Salado was actually a place where we had the numbers. So it was a little bit different experience at first. and, you know, I was there for about let me see 10 months and we ended up getting off with some of our cats some Nazi lowriders. Okay, can you say that again? I don't understand.

What? I was there for 10 months until we ended up getting off with some Nazi lowriders. What does that mean getting off with? Fighting melee. Okay. They rushed me in the homeboy. You know, okay. Why? Any specific reason? I think that they feel offended, right?

right because about two months before we had to go get at them about being on our side of the yard politics and it was me and home and we're both young we're both scrauding we both have pale skin so they're not liking that you know and they planned it and we were doing the same program every day which was a part of our security procedures we're going to go get the reports from every building at the last yard so this was night yard so every night we were doing the same thing we're both this building

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That's what we're doing. We're doing the same routine every day. So I won't ever forget, Matt. It was me and another YouTuber, a homie hangout, Rascal. I'll never be watched his channel. Remember. So we're walking, and next year you know,

all I know is I didn't hit this dude, this big old, they call him Tommy Guns. He just fucking takes off on me. I get hit so fucking hard. this is the one time that in prison where I got broken out I got hit and I dropped

I tried to get up again and hit me again I dropped so I had to do a somersault backwards to get on my feet and I'm a kid and so my punches were jello that I was fighting to survive just to live another day

you know same thing with him over there these dudes pretty much put hands on us pretty bad man you know they had that man strength we were just fucking barely 18 19 at the time right

and six foot two and 135 145 pounds right yeah yeah yeah it'd be a it'd be a fun outcome nowadays you know but you know um but then yeah you got to give it to them they gave it to us you know what I'm saying I'm not going to sit there a lot of dudes look they always win every fight now we got broken off you I mean I had a broken nose and they thought I was hit at first and I was pissed off though because I I'd never been in a position where it was that bad we're basically fucking just got dusted by some dudes pretty bad you know And I told myself, I said, I'm never going to let that happen again, ever.

I'm always going to be like five steps ahead. And I was, ever since I was five steps ahead. So what happened? Do you get, you guys get thrown in the shoe? I mean, how do you cover that up? Like, you know, how do you not have that reported? Oh, they got us. They ran to the yard.

They put us in the handcuffs and took us to the whole ride of the spot. Yeah, because, you know, sometimes guys will get into a fight, and then they'll try and stay in their cell for until the bruising goes down. They'll try, you know, and they never really. works but you know that kind of stuff so they took us to the hole and that was it went to our committee hearing got found guilty and then they sent sent me out they sent me to a prison called uh cmc east which is in south of abispo and um this is a trip they came and did a special transferer they transferred me out as a sole person by myself with two first officers in a car

i never experienced that ever like they even stopped in the middle of some small town called Eeroids, let me use a restroom, and they get out with the guns and let me go take a piss real quick. They bought me a soda and they were pretty cool, but they were trying to get information off me as we're taking the trip. And I think the reason why they did a single transfer was they were going to the state hospital, which was, I think, the Tascadero, to bring somebody back somewhere else. So I think it was just a matter of convenience, but at that time I felt special. So I get to this yard and, you know, I've already known that there's no really of my people there. but I got to find out if there's any there

so I go to R&R and I ask them, is there any northerners here? And northerners, I mean, Nortez and I mean, Nortez. And they said, oh, I think, fuck, man, that's not a good sign, right? And I have this little Mongolia right here. I mean, like, you know, sure, and I have my jab flats

on, I have this cold and stuff, it's right by the ocean. Now, bear in mind, I said, I'm never going to get constantly up in again. So I go, I go to my cell. In a single cell, it's, you know, orientation spot on AQUOT. So when the top is open, I go

outside, and these dudes come up to me, and they're like, smiling, right? They're like, oh, we don't play that here. And then they take off. I'm like, fuck, we don't play that here. So I go, I want to find out who these dudes are because I think they're my people. And if they're programming with certain enemies or allowing another group to dictate their program, there's going to be

issues. That's not how we get down. So I get a secret from Blackie, so I go over there, I start talking to this dude. right? And I ask him where he's from, he goes, man, I'm from Fresno, I'm a bulldog. That's like one of our number one enemies. I'm like, oh, shit. So I start to take off, right? So these other guys come up to me and they, uh, they tell me like, hey, man, the South Siders are tripping off you because you have a Mongolian. You know what I'm saying? They're going to watch you, the Sudeos want you to cut your towel. I said, uh, you know, uh, we don't, we don't

play politics here and, uh, you know, we like to do our thing. We don't like to have problems here. I told these things, they go, man, get to step in, you know what I mean? So already knew I'm by myself. And so as I'm coming across the yard, I'm being called buster by these, by these, like, skinheads and Sudeos. And I'm at the only northern around the fucking yard, right? They're talking shit over here, over here. And I'm nervous, though. And so finally some dude comes up to me, and he's a Christian.

He's from Oakland from up north. And he goes, eh, my family are North A, but, you know, I'm a Christian. And I go, okay, that's cool. He goes, you got no homeboys here. I go, all right, you go to that you believe in the Bible? I say, yeah, but I'm not going to go that route because I respect that. Sorry, sorry, you knew what time I was. So when I was going to child, I didn't know what I was going to do, but I knew I was going to take off on somebody.

So every time someone came too close, I was ready to jump. And I was scared. You know, fear's going to make you react. Let's keep it real. I was in fear that at that situation, any time I could get rushed and stabbed by any one of these dudes because that whole yard was about 300 or 400 to them on that yard. so I'm nervous it's not gonna turn

it's just you it's not gonna be good there's no winning in that situation no but it gets good though so I go to chow I remember two young southsiders they came right by me I almost jumped right there and they they were tripping because it came too close to me so I'm in there I'm looking around everywhere

like I don't know what to think you know like fuck I couldn't even eat couldn't do anything you get the cladmy hand you get the ass is sweaty you start to have have farts and all that stuff you know Those are the type of nerves I had, right? And so I'm going back in, and I remember those dudes that were talking shit to me, right? You go off with tattoos all over his face, right?

And I'm like, oh, I'm going to get this fucking dude. I said, I'm at least going to wait. I'm going to get him last. So when they jump on me, I'll be all right. Let me at least get one of them good. So in there, it was levels of floors. So I went by where the seal was at, and I was talking to the seal, right? And I seen when those guys came out, I started stepping away from the seal,

and I went towards where they were coming. as he was going up the stairs as he was the last one I took flight on him and I just dropped him to the floor right now I'm expecting to get jumped on none of these dudes jumped instead this dude

they came with pepper spray pepper spray me do wrap the stairs laid it down at getting a salt with battery on the yard okay the salt with battery on the yard and so I'm tripping man because I'm thinking like look how did I get away with this one because I should they should have gave me the business

They should have. And this dude, whoever I took off on that was talking about all that shit, he got scared when I took off on him. And it was a programming yard. Nobody wanted to go to the hole. I'm pretty sure being in the prisons like that where people talk about build one, but when it comes down to it, they don't want to go to the hole. They don't want to go to the prison because maybe they have some issues they have to

answer for it. So they're going to try to prevent it. They may act tough, but when it's coming down to it, they're not going to bust a break. Right. From there, I pretty much go to the hole. and I'm young and I'm one of those ones that's pushing politics all the time and education

and I'm getting at certain homeboys that are there that this is out of the program that's supposed to be. So some dude comes in from Salado when I was in the hole in Salado that we had told to move on his roommate and a dude refused to. He said he was going to do it but when his roommate came back from classification he didn't do it. So he's a PC.

So now he's in the hole but he doesn't remember me. So I'm telling everybody in there what time I'm doing with dude and they're like, well I believe you but you know I've got to see the proof and all this stuff. I said, check this out. I go, I'm going to deal with dude. I'll deal with you. And this is like about two weeks after I already got caught the one battery. So the day, they used to showers, this is the whole, this is different. They used to

showers and groups of four. Right? So, I made sure that I was the last one to go in, so I'd be the first one to get my cuffs off. I said, let this do go first. Jay, you get second and make sure the other dude, the low gets third. So I get my cuffs up. I'm not going to take off on you. with its cuffs still on. I'm going to wait. So I sat right there and I waited and as soon as the cuffs took off, I just took off on them.

And they couldn't do nothing about it, and it was bad. Because there was no gun tower in the section. They're not going to pop the door to go in there because they have to worry about their own security. So I had every which way I wanted to with this dude. His name was little local from Stockton, just in Raleigh. So I was just needing them, dropping them, doing whatever I wanted to do with them, that it got so boring that I stepped away. and that's when they just came in and dragged them out of there.

Now, for that, I think I was 19 or 20 at the time. These professional staffs, I had yet to go through any type of, you know, infliction of abuse or torment and all that, right? Or fucking them doing a power plate. They moved me off that tier, and they moved me to a whole other tier where they put me in the last cell on the only North Annual. There's 43 cells this unit. 41 of them are Sudanials and two of them are NLRs.

and they had me in the last cell so every time I had to go to the showers anytime I had to go to legal law or yard or anything these dudes used to talk shit through the fucking chair they used to fucking try to gas me with piss and just it was bad I had to go through that for about a year

a year, year of basically retaliation on their part and then they validated me as a gang member can I get the rest real quick yeah how does that work how does, yeah I'll tell you right now all right So when I was there

This was in 99 I believe Shig Night was there No Okay He was in the medical word though He was in Central And I was in there to other B-quad

But I would run into him Sometimes when I'd go to visits Never really talked to him or anything But he was there at that time And Same stuff was going on when I was there Matt like I told you The retaliation by staff

I ended up getting into it with his associate warden I tried to kick over the table his name was McAllister. So from there they put me in a management cell, which was a cell within the cell. They stripped me down butt naked, no mattress, right? No blankets.

No running water for a whole fucking week. They came in that day. They go, okay, you know you're going to be in there a week. Technically, they were always supposed to keep me in there until I've seen a psych and let them make the determination. But they made a determination based upon the fact that I tried to kick over a table and I tried to fucking rush these things. social warden. My mom had drove

all the way up there to visit me that weekend. Like 10, 12 hours, right? They turned her at the gate. Right? She wrote a letter about what happened about the whole incident, about the running water. How could she leave me in a cell with no running water and all this shit, right? They lied. They said that I incited the

riot with a flood. You know what I'm saying? So they tried to cover their ass, man. But they basically, from there, they put me up for an IG review. Stuff came up. What is that? Institutional gang investigation. okay so they were looking at me as a prison gang member and so uh they put me up for review and they used some of the most pettiest step they could they used a name and pfn number of someone

that was my selling the county jail before i ever was prison you guys put me in the cell with them how am i going to be in the cell with them right you know what i'm saying they use that they used some stuff concept of leadership that i got from a book that i wrote out they came from actual book, not no in-structure. They used that. And they tried to use some, like, alleged letters. You know, you read other people, other institutions, and you write riddle. They tried to use that. But then it was really game-related. They had, like, 16. And they submitted it to Sacramento, and they validated me as a prison game. But I had to be there for about 13 months. Okay. So what happened? We had to

where you said that they, um, made you a, oh, okay, oh, okay, now I, now I get it. Now I get it. I'm feeling it. I just filled in the blinks right now. Yeah, yeah, that just made sense. Okay. All right. So, so you're there. So you're basically in the shoe. Well, do they call it the shoe? What do you guys call it the hole? What? We call this, well, okay, there's only three shoes in California at that time. There's Pelican Bay shoe, corporate shoe and Tatsby shoe. All the other ones they call administration, administrative segregation, which is basically a shoe.

yeah yeah um so and you were there for 13 months so are you alone for 13 months or you got a sally no sally hello do they give you books yeah we get books okay we had no we had no hygiene on our on our commissary you know I had to brush my teeth with two powder for a year fuck no deodorant no deodorant no deodorant for a year

you have saying that was terrible I don't know how they got to leave that I was in the shoe for like the longest I was in the shoe several times but the longest was like I think 45 days but listen the shoe in the feds you got a hot shower you got a toilet sink combo they're bringing they're constantly coming up and down with books so you can read books yeah probably after about a month or so I was like bored of reading books because I didn't even have a sally they'd go by they'd be like Cox you're taking a sally and I'd be like nah I really don't want a sally and then one day after For about a month or so, they came by. They were like, Cox, you want to sell it? I was like, fuck, yeah, put them in here. Like, I'm bored out of my mind after a month after just reading and reading. Because the first few weeks, I was like, this is not bad.

You know, because you've got a shower. Like, you've got everything you need. You could get commissary. Like, not a bunch of commissary, but, you know, and you're reading. It's like, fuck, I got to lay down and read. I can do push-ups, lay down, read, take a shower. Like, fuck, this isn't that bad. But listen, after a month or so, I can't imagine 30.

I couldn't get a celly at the time, right? Right. And that was one of the first ones that be put on walk alone in California at that time when I hit the shoe yard for violence. So they weren't letting me go out to the group yard. They were putting me up on the group yard to go. But when they reviewed my C-file, they seen all the assaults I had and stuff so they wouldn't put me after on the yard. So that was kind of a bummer. So I think I did like 27 months that time.

The last 27 months of the five years, I did basically isolated in the hole with no cell. I mean, let's face it though, bro. You brought that on yourself. I mean, you're, you know, go on. No, no, I'm not complaining about it. Yeah. You know? You know, it's like, what else are they going to do?

Every time they put you in a general population, you're fucking trying to attack somebody. Yeah. So, or you're also just kind of being an attack. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, but I'm sure from the administration's point of view, they're like, fuck, you know, this guy's attacking people. But really, you're all, you're concerned about getting it.

That's why I got to it with the associate warden when they said, well, why are you attacking people? I said, I didn't ask to come to this fucking, because back then there was no such thing as PCs and half that yard was fucking PC. They'd send him anywhere. And that was all the point. We can't tell you, oh, I can't be on this yard because there's a bunch of dropouts on this yard. I can't tell

them that. Right. You know what I'm saying? I got to go ahead on my business. And that's what was happening was I was sticking to the code and I was catching a salt after salt after salt. We used to bone that. You know, by the time I left her, I had Not only did I have to be any terrorist show,

I had like three shoe turtles and had like 100 or something points. You know the problem with that is? How many guys end up going to fucking prison for five years? And it turns it'd be a fucking 20 or 25 year prison. I got lucky though. I got lucky that I didn't, you know what I mean?

I got lucky to get caught with anything of a piece, you know what I mean? Because there was some instances that happened where, you know, I got away. I don't talk about them, right? There's a couple of stabbings I did where I got away. You know, you know, These ones were just batteries or fighting and all that, so it wasn't as bad.

You don't really lose much time off that. But there's people, like you said, that they go in there with five years, and the next thing you know, they're doing life. Or they get killed nowadays. Like, nowadays, if you look at California Department of Corrections, Rehabilitations, it's totally different than what I was in there. They have more access to fucking cell phones, drugs, all this stuff out there, and there's people getting killed left and right.

And it's not, they're not getting killed by rivals. They're getting killed by their own people. you know some kid goes in there and owes some money on a fucking cell phone and they're killing them over our own money on a cell phone I was like I've never heard of that shit before you know it's usually it's because the kid made a bad choice so you're gonna put the kid in a bad choice to where now you have to kill them by giving them a fucking cell phone makes no fucking sense

you know not once they've done it three times of one dude and they ended up killing them fucking what you guys figured out the first time not to give to do the cell phone right but you know they're hoping to put someone in a bad position to where they owe the money like some of these yards these games are making like $50,000 to $100,000 a month now in California. That's a lot.

There's nowhere near how it was when I was out there at all. That's a lot of fucking money. So what happened? You got out. Well, what happens when you get out? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you didn't get a job.

No, he's going to be telling used cars. No, I didn't get a job. Yeah, no, but I have a feeling you didn't fucking. I work too. jobs. Well, no, I was a courier for the real estate company, which is kind of kicked back. You know, I dropped off all the loan docs and all that. And then I was doing loan processing. Okay. So my mom, like, was a real estate broker. My sister was a sales rep and title. And then my wife at the time I ended up getting married to was a junior escrow officer.

So I had ties in the real estate. And I was going to start a, I was going to start a career company, you know, when you have to drop, uh, jump off the, uh, you know, all the titles and all that to get them for the record it or this and that. I got familiar with the real estate stuff, right? And so I was doing that, which was cool because I could be carrying a package for a title company at the same time I could be carrying some other product. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying?

So I did play again right off top, you know, with the prison gang. Right. But I came out there. I was told I was on probation. And I got pulled into a prison gang at the time. I was a newest other awesome member. And then I became my NF associate. a nurse for media associate right and i was out there to function on the streets

and so back back then you had to go out there and you were put on probation you had to uh get a job you had to get a license get insurance show your proxer that you're doing good before they would even let you function with a regiment and a regiment's kind of like like a crew for the mouth for the mafia kind of like this is just Hispanic games so i did all that and uh within like three four months i said my number in and I get contracted by individual name

he was telling me his name was Daniel, Danny he ends up being the high profile informant in Operation Black Widow right, the big indictment that the NF had the Duke Casper that you sit on Gangland right

him he's the one that plugged me in he's dead now passed away about two years ago but he's the one that plugged me in with another individual named Chico Roles all these he just get caught in Operation Black Widow now flipped you know what I'm saying so I had two dudes that were ready to hang out to dry even though I was young in my career and so that was how my introduction into what the prison gang stuff was like on the streets it was all about money that's all was a little and there was you can trust nobody it just got worse and worse so how does that I mean how does that for first of all you you had a regular job as a courier service like why are you still fucking with the gang

Because I committed myself to do it. That obligated myself. I bet they commit me before I parole. So I have to. If not, then they're going to want to kill me. No, this is all bad, bro. It's just all bad. No, it is.

It is all bad. I mean, you know, there's, okay. So, and your wife, what is your, and, I mean, your wife understands this and knows this. My wife was young. She was only like, when we got together, was when I got out. I think I was 22, 23. she was 19

So does she not understand? She just she understood She just respected it You know She was she was I got her a job with my sister So she was all this was new to her She went from fucking you know

Ready getting out of high school Fucking at Little Caesars To now she's working out at a title company She's making good fucking money She worked her ass off so I would try to keep her away from that life As best as much as I could You know what I'm saying

There work She understood what I did and she, for the most part, let me do what I needed to do. So what's happening? At what point do the cops or was it like a gang task force get on your case or, you know? Well, they were on me the whole time, man, but I ended up catching a case to go back to prison, right? And it was over another NF member that got out to the streets. And he was just off the, he was just slamming meth and doing all this stuff that you're not supposed to do. one of those dudes that's just treacherous. He was a treacherous

dude. He's a type of dude that would tie a whole family up and shit like that, right? And he wanted, he wanted to go kidnap his cousin and hold him for ransom because he had used his social security number while he was in prison. This is the level of his thinking. And then he's trying to get at these connects I know, right? And talking about, yeah, well, those,

they're talking about snatching of people's kids and all of them for ransom to focus some of the drug connects out there. I'm like, no, I don't want to know part of this shit. And so, he wanted to get his cousin, and I remember we gave him the gun first he was upscaldi and I got him in contact with some cats from Salinas right but he wanted to go back

and do this holiday because he wanted to get this money so next to you know I'm at my house and I look up at the fucking screen and there he is fucking his picture Wandafer attempted carjapping kidnapping and next you know he's walking through my fucking door and he has on a garage unit for him

like the mechanics right so you know and it was just one of the One of those crazy stories that I remember before he had this young chick that he was waiting to turn 18 that was running around with him, right?

Okay. And she and her friend, some gay guy. So this was fucking, I'm watching that NF member was supposed to be a fucking criminal organizational gay member and he's doing

and he's doing all the shit that you're not supposed to be fucking doing. I'm like, what the fuck man? Like, this shit isn't fucking right. I remember telling him to get out of my house when all this shit

so I remember this gay dude picks him up with a young chick and this dude was very abusive in prison towards people. You know what I'm saying that we're lower rank. me and him we just got along right i got left for a man but some of the stuff he showed me was just the wrong way i'll just tell you that i'll never forget he's he's fucking yelling at him in the back of the car

they're out thank you for you motherfucker whoa whoa i'm like fuck i better get out of here so i take a cap to get my other car and we go to a motel and then they hit the motel and when they hit the motel uh i wasn't able to flush on my drugs and then the cops knew me and they were there for him they wanted him and stuff right Yeah, I was going to say they're out there coming for him, though. You don't know that, though? You don't realize that. I kind of knew it afterwards.

You still got to get rid of everything. Yeah, I couldn't find everything. She opened the door before I was ready. And I had my nine-month-year-old daughter at the time in the room and stuff, right? The drugs were around here. I wasn't using no drugs or anything around here. And so the cop comes in and he knows me. He's then named officer, Secura.

He's now a lieutenant. He used to be a gang task force 20 years before. And so he goes, hey, you know, I go, man, you ain't heard my name out there. He goes, well, I heard you know fucking Luis Gonzalez. That was dude's name. We told. I'm like, fuck. And they're like, well, ma'am, you know, we'll let you go if you tell us where's that.

Well, I don't know where's that. You know, let me go. And so they started trying to fucking interrogate me. I don't know what you guys are talking about, this and that, right. And then they just put me in the cop car. They tried to interrogate my wife at the time. And they told her that I told them that I knew where he was at, that they were going to take my daughter.

I told him I didn't care if they were going to take my daughter I was going to do this and that they just tried to fucking pump fear to her and they asked her if she knew where he was at and she denied

she said no so she ends up getting released I go to jail and so she's 19 our daughter's maybe like seven months old she goes to the house

she calls up home boy because at that time we had to call our IDs remember on the phone you didn't have cell phones yet and tell us him like hey get out from where you're at the cops search his house

they got every number on this phone they're probably going to hit up every place so he was able to get away because of her calling him up okay so she went from there to like two counties away say like two counties and a state away and she gets there

they fucking here comes the cops sitting in my mom's house right and that's when they started to threaten her to take uh take my daughter all the stuff that talking about that I'm a prison game member and that I'm part of this part of that and that she should just leave me and you know tell us where he's at the other guy

and she doesn't know anything they keep on threatening to take my daughter in so finally they leave a couple days later right they try to call her phone to threaten her well they did after the cops left my mom had her noir license right as did her partner right who owned the the real estate branch right they would have notified giving my dollar custody to my mom. So when the cops were making those threats, we said, you can't. We already give them custody to my mom. Right.

When they're threatened arrest her, she goes, where do I got to go? They told her to go to the Burger King right there in San Jose, on Peter's Border, they never showed up. So we got over on that one, but they tried to pump as much fear on that, you know. You know, that's what type of, my first wife, that's how she was. You know, she didn't want to be part of life stuff, but she knew what she needed to do. You know, and, yeah, that was that one incident right there. so what's what's happening with you you're they've got you um at what the county jail at the

county jail so so i ended up running taking over the county jail all the old gs are over here in the old jail though and it's just a section called uh what was it little max and so i'm trying to get over there and so i'm having her go visit over there and i'm having her find friends to go visit so i'm in communication with them and so i end up getting moved by classification down there and I bail out. When I bail out, I go to my hearing for the case. And they put me on the stand for a Romero motion, which is to dismiss your strikes.

Now, my own attorney got me out of the fucking stand and said, aren't you a prison game member or validated this one? And I did not expect this. And he's trying to justify that to the courts why I couldn't go into drug treatment programs or anything like that. That was going to help my case. So I'm on a stand not expecting this. I'm like, now I ain't no prison gang member.

isn't your fucking uh model blood in blood out i'm like fucking hey this shit sounds like a fucking movie was like more than what it really was right i was out on the streets bell i mean i was out for about two months out on bell because i just did 11 months i went from shaking into an sly right for only two days right three days later i was in san quentin so i mean back to your lawyer like doesn't he understand that you're going to deny all that did he think he was were going to admit to it or he just won it on the record? I don't know what he was thinking, to be honest with you. I didn't expect it, man.

Like, you know, I wasn't even ready for the hearing that day. You know, I think he just wanted to get rid of me as a client probably. You know, got his buddy's work. Let's see if I can, let's see if we can get him off or not, you know, and that's what happened. So how much time did you get? 32 months. 32 months. Where did you do that time?

Corprian. Went to Sanquin and then Corparen again. Okay Same mobile chain So What happens while you're there I mean Nothing just

Prison politics The prison politics I was Ray St. Quinn for a minute At that time Um I was the RSD over there Got to corporate It was pretty much kick on back

We didn't have really no issues at that time Like politically And I was right there with The pot I was in was basically headquarters because that's where the regimentor was. So we had no issues. It was an easy program. I already knew the routine.

I already knew what needed to be done. So I was just there doing my job. I was actually the maestro, which is teacher, for all the North Daniels that were there. So all the young Northerners or even older Northerners, I was the one that was schooling all of them doing their education, which is we haven't read essays, give them topics, discipline, whatever may be. We had a whole phase list that each North Daniel had to go through while they were there, which was a different education.

phases. So every Northdale was on a different page. So it was a lot of work for me. But it kept me busy, though. You know, and with that, I was doing the legal law. And then I was studied at the time to the stock market. So it was my next thing that

I wanted to do when I get out there with all the illegal money I was trying to make, right? Right. I had diversify my portfolio and do all that stuff, man. I had like fucking plans, you know what I mean? Which they were working for a minute, right? But when you get a when you get a pro violation in You have your money invested in penny stocks.

It's not always a good idea when you can't sell. Right. You know? So I lost a lot of money on penny stocks when I was playing, though. Okay, so, I mean, what happens to what? So do you get back out? Like, it's uneventful when you go in? I mean, nothing happens.

You get back out. Like your wife still? I get back out to the streets and I go back to doing my thing again, which is that. Your wife was down with you the whole time? Yeah. man that's that's that's a solid chick yeah so um you know we're doing the same day i had i had my own little crew so i had a little bit more jurisdiction and you know we were taxing extorting people selling dope all the stuff that you could think of any type of uh

organized crime on the streets you know um you know every month i had to submit a certain quota you know um for how much i produced and then um it just gets political on the streets as well though man and you know there was a lot of hate a lot of jealousy everybody's uh campaigning against each other or you know a lot of betrayal just uh i got one of those situations where one of these dudes was a young whole boy in mind he ended up trying to uh he had issues with me because for for a minute when he was younger he was from a hood called bmn which is basically a second generation of my hood based in instance right and he was younger and i remember back in 95 i smacked the shit out of him when he's younger one time you know and uh

And he ended up be my little homeboy, though. And when he was locked up, I seen his wife, who was my home girl. I gave her money for diapers and stuff like that. Me and my wife would see her, talk to her, and whatnot. And he gets out and he just, he wanted what I had, the position I had, the leadership I had. He wanted to be who I was. And so when he came out, I didn't want him to work with me. So I directed him to work with somebody else.

Because at that time, a lot of people who were paroleing, they would get in contact with me in that area to who is. they were going to work with. So I put him with some O.G. So what are we doing? What's going on? What happened? So I guess we're talking about the guy I tried to sexually solve my wife. Oh, shit. You know, at that time, since 2001 to 2006, you know, I went in for about 25 months for a little bit,

but I was out from the streets, generated a lot of money, involved a lot of different criminal activities, right? everything from extortion to laying people down to drug dealing, whatever it may have been, right? Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size? Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. asking people, finding people, whatever the organization asked me to do. Go out there and debt collect, I debt collect it.

So at this time, I was being grilled for a certain position to take over out there in the streets and being recruited as an F member at the time. And so people were touching base from different prisons with me and people that were coming out were being sent to me. And I put him with an existing crew that they were going to be part of. So I put him basically with the crew with a dude that was a leader because he was a knucklehead, but he was my homeboy. now we were already having the issues real quick out there in the streets because where my area was at he was out there trying to do business and so one time i showed up to a trap spot which a trap spot is where you have people that are making your money right there right there recently in my house i go in there and get the money and my wife's there with me and um i get dropped off over there and then he asked me if he can get a ride with my wife i have no problem with that i give me his lady a ride home or anything so in the process of that happening

She was pissed off at me, and she said, let's smoke that joint, you know, spark that joint. And he told her, honestly, I'm going to fuck the shit out of you. She goes, you want to get killed? She goes, nah, we're the ones taking care of shit on the streets, man, that I'll have her killed for trying to cross him up. And then he tried to sexually grab her, right? She didn't tell me at first. She thought that I put him up to try doing this stuff, right? So when I found out, I flipped.

I was like, I'm going to kill this dude. You know what I'm saying? Went to the homeboy, told him what happened. He says, okay, let's get this dude, right? I said, we can't. He's working with Lencho, who's a high-ranking member. We have to go through him. Now, this dude's promising Lencho that he can do this,

that his ladies connected to the cartels and all this shit, right? So he's presented himself as, like, the Golden Goose, right? So I'm requesting that we whack this dude, take him out because this dude is not even a member. And Lynch is saying, no, hold up, you know, we'll deal with it in due time. I'm like, this is my man. my wife, bro. Like, she's done nothing but helped the organization. She's not even a member. She doesn't believe in none of this shit, but she does what I tell her. And it became one of

those, um, I took it really personal, man. Like, here I am. I've made sacrifices. I've caught time. I've done what everything I'm supposed to do, right? This dude is, this respects my wife. And you're telling me, I can't handle my business. So I was going to handle my business anyways, but I've seen them. I was going to go against the grain. And then I ended up getting caught up on the case and that's when the gang investigative units were coming to see me and talking about that they were trying to put a green light on me for a minute. I'm like, green light, I guess because I was pushing issues

out there. Because I had requested all kinds of stuff. I'd say, okay, I brought up certain people's days. I brought up Chukal's name and everybody else's name in regard to my wife. You know what I mean? And I was pressing certain things, I guess, that they felt that, you know, being young, right? That they didn't like what they were hearing. You know what I'm saying? I was becoming a problem. I would study it, though. At that time,

the dude that when I had the issues with that assaulted my wife ends up coming to DVI, Tracy. I'm running the whole prison at that time. I had to have him dude hit, right? So can I ask some question real quick? Yeah, go ahead. What

sentence did you get to get you there? Like what? Now, Salis APD had a whole. They were trying to get me to work with him. They just let the pro violation up. They didn't file charges on me yet. Okay. So they're just trying to get you kind of hemmed up and off the street. So they had me up in the streets and I had to be contemplating whether I was going to work with them or not because of the situation. And so I ended up dealing with dude. And at that point, I'm like,

man, I had to go through all this and I ended up dealing with him and now it's okay because he owes this dude money. And at that time I was done. I was like, I'm cool. I can't fuck with none of these dudes. There's no loyalty. Um, the betrayal. Like, Like, the whole situation with my wife ruddered me wrong, you know what I'm saying? And I caught a case because of how I felt about that situation. And when I found out that they were trying to put a green light on me, I'm like, dude, I don't know these dudes nothing. You know what I'm saying?

These guys over here condoning a dude that should be on Megan's law, a sexual predator. Well, you're one victim then if you're okay with it. Why did I have to wait till he owed you money? And now you're saying he's all bad for me to fucking have him hit. He should have been hit off top. So I felt disrespected. And I was like, you know what? What? Fuck these dudes.

And so prior to getting out, that's when the gang and investigated unit and the FBI came and got got at me. And I flipped, you know what I'm saying? I started, I said, fuck these guys. But I'm going to go out. You didn't have a real light on me anyways. So I might as well go after the same dudes that disrespected me and my wife. And that's exactly what I did. Right.

Well, listen, real quick. What happened? You said the guy showed up at the prison that you were running. He shut up saying you put a head out on him. Well, there was no hit on him, right? When he got there, I used other reasons to have him. hit. He said that he had status, right? Which he didn't have because I remember telling him that. That was one. And number two, he was speaking bad on an NF member son. The dude that he was working

with, he was speaking bad on his son. So I utilized all those to have to greenlight him to have him hit. None of it had to do with what happened with my wife. Because if I would have to do it, it would look too personal. But it was personal. Right. I was going to have him hit. One word another he was going to get hit. I was going to find a way to have him hit. You I'm saying, and it would have been justified. So he gets heated, he goes to PC. And yeah, I could have said, okay, you know what? Everything's all good now, but I was like, nah, fuck this shit.

You know, and at that time, I'd already talk to them, so I already knew pretty much that was going to eventually come out if I decided if we can't. So, um, that's what is the FBI say? What do they say when they come to you? They basically, um, you know, they already knew who I was, right, from Operation Black Widow. and they asked me what my agenda was I said my agenda was

to get these people right here all I said you know what it's revenge basically because I could have took down a whole lot of people but it ended up only being three within two months

they ended up cutting off the investigation short because at that time I was playing both sides I was talking to them the feds the DEA all there right but at the same time

still going out there committing crimes so this isn't in the prison So streets now Okay The parole So when I paroled I was initially working with

They had all these departments That were working And so they ended up trying It as a state case And it was only three cases And they tried to have me Do more I wouldn't do it Because I said that

This is personal You know what I'm saying This has nothing to do with just me I wasn't trying to get out of no time I didn't care if I didn't do time Because they caught me with a gun And some dope Right

Right P, some meth and a gun And they were watching me when they caught, it was briefly surveillance. And so when I went to grand jury testimony, I ended up doing three different control buys, one for a PCP, one for a gun, and then one for like a pound of meth.

You know what I'm saying? And I turned over the safe that we had about the dope. And when I went to the grand jury, right, which was a trip because they had me in a motel and it was like the fucking movies. They'd have fucking like me get into a car with another cop car behind me and another cop car in front of you used to go to testify and shit, right?

I was like, this isn't that big of a deal. bill. But I testified against three people on control bias and they got indicted. And the interesting thing about it was none of the cases that they built off me did these guys really get any time. But once they got caught up and they were behind the walls, they started doing this on the phone and doing deals. They got caught out a whole different indictment that caught them up. Right. You know, sad got him a bunch of time. Yeah. So I testified in grand jury and, you know, I remember the questions that they asked me. The DA said, you know, were you offered any time?

I said, nah, I wasn't offered any time or anything. I go, I'm not tripping up the time I've got to do. I did this because of the disrespect to trial that was done on to me and my family. You know, my wife being sexually soft, and you guys just slept up next like it's okay? No, it ain't okay. Fuck you guys. And so, you know, I don't believe really in snitching or anybody doing that. But I don't judge anybody that does, you know what I did.

You know what I did? You know what I'm saying? And I don't try to just, I don't try to judge. I don't try to justify it, but I don't have no regret that I did it either, though. Right. Look at those guys that they're no different off to the sexual predator. If you're okay with my wife being sexually assaulted,

then you're no better off to the fucking sexual predator yourself. Because how up you should have been like, no, let's get this dude. And that's when I finally realized that that lifestyle was not about any loyalty. It's about every man for himself. You know, and so I went out with a bank. You know, that was in 2007, shit, 17 years ago, you know. And I've been away from that life for a lot of time. I started for a minute.

I went back into an addiction for a while right after. I was in the, what do you call the, it's not the relocation program. They don't change your identity or nothing. They just put you in a place away from your home. They take care of your rent for a little bit. I was only in that for one month, right? Got kicked out. Okay.

Now, I thought it rules very well. I was just, I was young and young and hard-headed. And so I could have been in that program for like six years, believe it or not. You know, and I could have got my rent-paid and worked and did all this shit, but I didn't. So I only had it for a month. So next to you know, I'm just out there on the streets doing the same stuff I was doing before, but without having any prison obligations and stuff, man. And it wasn't until my youngest son got put in CPS care and I had been with some other chick.

and she was kind of a drug addict herself, right? That's when everything changed. That's when I started like, you know what, man? He needed somebody to be there for her. So I started doing all the things. I was, I was, CPS said that was a perfect fucking, the best dad that they ever had. They wanted me to do a parent partner program

where I talked to their dads. Here I am, you know, ex-prison gang member, tattoos, ex-fell and all this stuff. I got the reunification of services. My son gave it to me before the mom first. Right? Right. Right.

Within that, we had that, we had services for a year. After they were done, she ends up relapsing. I ended up filing for full custody. I had full custody. I had full custody to my son in 2018. So here I had fucking doing all this stuff I was going into programs. I was going to, you know, church every week. I was donating time at the school.

Doing all the stuff that I never did before with my, I had two other daughters, you know. What, can I interrupt real quick? What happened to your first wife? Because of all the stuff she left. She left. Okay. Yeah. She left.

And she hasn't even dated anybody or got married or anything ever again. You know, it was a rough situation, you know. Yeah, she's still out there, you know. My daughter's all grown up. They're all adults now. My daughter's a straight-A student, you know. Otherwise in high school. So they're doing good to themselves.

But I wasn't in their lives like I should have been. That I have a great. And that was because I was badly my own deal. after leaving the gay lifestyle like there's a lot of regrets still because that's all I knew my whole life was the gang's lifestyle and the crimes and now here I'm changing it trying to be a better person you know it was it was until later on that I was able to fulfill that then I started being a better parent then I ended up full custody of my youngest son you know I was doing all those things and then COVID happened and that's what kind of changed a lot of things in my life was the COVID thing because I had custody my kid at the time and I wasn't able to go to meetings and meetings kind of got scaled for a minute and so I found YouTube to be another outlet to try to help people.

Yeah, I was going to say, where were you living at this time? Did you go right back to the same old neighborhood? I mean, it was in the Bay Area but nowhere close. Okay. Yeah, because I was wondering if you were concerned about retaliation.

First time, I was only 10 minutes from my neighborhood. I was out there. There was attempts on my life out there. You know what I'm saying? But I was ready for whatever came my way. I didn't care. You know what I'm saying? It was like a, how you say it?

I was ready to go there, put it that way. You know what I'm saying? The influenced by the drugs and all that, too, that kind of made me not really give a fuck out there. Later, you know, once I got off the drugs, I started to care, and that's when I started to try to be, fair, started to do everything different. And I wanted to help people because you learn about

the best spiritual solution you have for yourself is when you're helping others. So that's why I started to sponsor men and I had a commitments and seen and I had all kinds of stuff going on and then COVID happened. So that's how I got involved in the YouTube stuff.

I was watching the videos, prison gig stuff, and then there was a friend that had a channel and he read his book on there and I'm in the book. I'm like, fuck, I could do this shit too. So next you know, I started the YouTube channel. And here we are now.

Right. So how long, what year was that? 2018 or 19? It doesn't 20. 20. 20, okay. Yeah, because the early 20 was COVID. Okay.

Okay. So how long did it take for you to do that? Was it like in the middle of the year? I was working with one channel called The Stories Read by a Current Prisoner. That's your buddy. That's my buddy. I was working with him and I brought some other people on. And then we, one of two of us elected to start our own channel too. So that's when we had a common perspective. It was just me and another guy at first. Okay. You know, what happened? What happened to him? I think the first year was really good money.

I think the second year we started to see a decline Right And you know there was We weren't out of the same page And just he wanted to just do something different He wanted to work So the one that kind of started all the stuff

He didn't mind giving me the channel You know what I mean So even though he put just as much work into the channel You know I tell him that all the time But um You know there's only enough to really make for one person We'd make it on this channel at that time Because we weren't getting to the support

There's a lot of hate When you start doing a YouTube channel You start to succeed Yeah We were having lives where we were having like Like lies, our lives were fucking classy. We're making $500,000 lives all the time. People were just enjoying it.

We had people joking around. Next you know, you have to hate. Next thing you know, everything you say, people hold you to it. You can just say one little thing, and people were going to fucking remember that. And if you change your mind on that, you're this and that. You're a liar. You're fucking bullshitter. It's one out.

There's so much fucking, there's such fucking assholes out there. It's like, you know. I had, it got to the point that they were attacking my wife. I ended up being remarried. They were attacking her, they were attacking me, they attacked my kids, all kinds of shit. Like, they didn't have no fucking boundaries. I'd never seen nothing like it. And I think it's other YouTube channels that were doing it, to be honest.

Everybody's a badass in the comment section, you know. Honestly, typically, when I come back and respond to people, 90% of those people, like, and I'm not talking about violence. I mean, they're just calling your names or saying, fuck, stupid shit. And you just, I just address them. And a lot of times they're like, bro, I didn't mean nothing by that. I've been drinking. Or, you know, they start backpedaling. Immediately.

You know, these were trolls. These were people like, you know, it just got real nasty. I never seen nothing like it, man. And a lot of it was, they were associated with people I used to associate with. Because there were certain stuff that was put out there that only they knew. Right.

You know, and then you see the all different sides. Like, I came into this, not to fucking troll people or to attack people. I trolled humans to try to help people and made me try to take a step back. And I was like, it changed my outlook about YouTube for a little bit. It's hard to, it's hard to help people on there, you know what I'm saying? Or be of service. So I try to help people offline. I have better, better results.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't try to cater myself to be a positive channel or any of that. I'm a channel. It's entertainment. It's information. Whether it's talking about gangs, interviews, whatever it may be. It is what it is. And so no matter what, you're always going to have someone that's going to critique what you're doing.

You know, I'm always going to get fucking attacked for fucking when I flipped. Right. Rat, whoa, whoa, what's like, man? You ain't going to tell that to my face, are you? You know what I'm saying? really. The old thing that gets me on that is this. Everybody will be quick to use that, but no one says anything

about why I did it. They don't talk about the fucking sexual assault. They don't talk about none of that. You know what I mean? To me, that's more of an issue that, look, these dudes allow it. They're just like a predator. Fuck these dudes. Well, it's that I think people say that to make themselves feel better.

Like, they can elevate themselves. It's a way to elevate themselves over you. They don't know what the situation. You know how many times I've talked to somebody who talks about you know, oh, this guy's a rat and this guy's rat. And you're like, okay, you cooperated. And they're like, yeah, but it was different. You don't understand what happened.

Well, that's the same difference. It's always different. You know what I'm saying? Like, I get it. Everybody has the same excuse, right? So it's like, you know what it is? If you want to be in the streets, it's not acceptable. That's just the point of way.

Right. Do I care? I don't care. You know what I mean? It's what it is. I mean, listen, like to me, when I made that decision, it was like 12 years off of my sentence. And periodically, somebody may,

called you a rat or you do the 12 years and people say that's a stand-up guy there was no decision there's no i made that decision so quick i was like i'll take fucking you can call me a rat every once in a while i'm not going to do 12 extra years fuck that yeah no no um so and then it's and it's like you know the other thing is i love it when people say um you're a lying in piece of shit no no no i hold the truth you're a lying rat no you're a lying rat no No, I'm an honest rat. You're a lie. See, I get told that you're a dropout, you're this nest.

Like, look, man, I function on the highest level you can. You know, I was part of the organization. How are you going to sit there and tell me what the life's about when I've lived it? I have nothing. I have no access to grind against the organization. It's me against those individuals who, two are them already no good. They've already fucked up off their own. Only one still in good standings.

But, so I have no access to ground with the previous group. You know what I'm saying? I don't try to fucking support or go against them, you know I mean? It is what it is. What is your channel, sorry, what is your channel focus on? What do you focus on on the channel? Well, see, when it comes to, like, the prison gang stuff,

a lot of people call me the historian. Like, I know a lot about everybody. You know what I was involved with, like, Mexican mafia members, NLR, ABs, you know, NFs. So a lot of it is just about prison stories. I have some people come on to do interviews. Sometimes I'll do some historical stuff,

like, you know, what happened during this incident, sometimes I'll bring a common topic up. And then sometimes I'll do current events, but with current events, I'm very careful because it involves criminal cases that are current. So I'll put out there what is not going to affect anybody in their case. Like I used the word alleged at times. But even if you speak on a case, it's all hearsay.

People don't realize that. You can talk on an open criminal case as long as you're not part of it, and anything you say is only hearsay. None of it can be used in court. People forget about that. And they should talk about it from a point that you were involved, then they can use that. But if you're just speaking, okay, this is hearsay, this is what I feel or think, or how it looks. It's only hearsay.

But I'm still a little bit, how do you say, selective on that. Because, you know, I don't want to wake up any other giants that may be have issues with what I do. Right. I like to keep the channel diverse. You know, I've had rappers on. I've had, you know, actors. I've had everything on there. So there's no limitations.

I've had cops on here, other game members, rivals, everything, and I've had my stories. So it's just a perspective of the life that I lived through my eyes, what I experienced, what I see. Everybody has their own truth of what they went through and what they've seen. And so when I speak, I speak only from what I know and what I see. Yeah. Hey, so how many videos a week do you put out? Anywhere from like 3 to like 10. Because I have another reaction channel, but that's just small.

I'm waiting to get some more equipment because, like, you know, I'll briefly talk. about this. I'm out on bail right now. Okay. You know, they'd mention that. Two aggravated assaults, is what I'm saying? I'm not going to talk about it because I've not gave no statements. I go to court this Friday and I may be going to trial soon. You know?

But they have offered me a deal down to two years bottom four-year top. And this is on a case where I allegedly shot two people there saying. So two years, four years, it tells you something that they're offering me that already. Kind of tells you about the case. Right. I'll leave it there. Yeah, so that's where I'm at today And I want to get back to the stuff I used to

Which was all like a message, you know, like YouTube's easy to get, you get consumed in it I don't know if you go through that Sometimes I get consumed in fucking my old past Like, okay, flaco, I'm not really flocking in real life Off of YouTube on fucking William I'm somebody totally different Or I want to be something different

But sometimes I get caught up in this ultra ego Of who I used to be that I'm that old person sometimes right after I come out of doing these videos and I don't see it but I've been pointed that out a few times yeah I you know what's funny is when I started doing YouTube there were so many things that I would see other YouTubers do that I just thought that's just so stupid like these guys are consumed by this whole thing that's ridiculous but then you start putting out the videos

and then you start putting in the work and then you start realizing like like you know like it gets consuming because you're like I've worked so hard for this there should be a 50,000 video 100,000 view video why do I like yeah I go through that too like I brought in some fucking key enemies like I go I know this is a beggar why not I get in the views I deserve or how many have you done where you've done a video and like as soon as we get off I'm like eh that's like it wasn't all that that wasn't that great that you know whatever that won't get any views and then boom it gets fucking 60,000 views or 70,000 I'm like

Are you fucking serious? That was a horrible fucking story. It's a horrible video. I see this all the time. The algorithms like women. I can't figure out either. Yeah. Exactly.

I've tried everything. I've tried to fucking... You don't need to put the fucking hashtag or nothing. I put out videos with no hashtag. I think it's 100,000 views. Yeah. Then I put the one that's perfect. You know, I think, okay, this is the video.

Look at the title. The dumb-mail looks good. Okay, this is going to go. Write high. Nobody's high right now. It's going to hit the algorithm. Fuck. 500 views an hour.

I'm like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, man. I, you know, I don't know, whatever. We'll see. You know, it's funny, too, because everybody, the first thing everybody asks is, how many subs do you have? Like you said, subs don't mean anything. The subs are just bragging rights.

So if you could say, oh, I got 200,000 subs, like, people are like, oh, wow, they're impressed. But you could have 200,000 subs. Your videos are getting 3,000 views, and you're making no money. and I know guys that have 20,000 subs and every video they put out gets 100, 200,000. Like, I'm like, why don't you have more subs? I know, I know some dudes

when you watch them, get the reviews, you're like, fucking, how the fuck are they getting these videos, too? Yeah. Seriously. You know what I mean? I like different channels. I like, you know, I like different types of content, but if you have 200,000 subscribers like you, right?

Right. She'd at least get 25,000 every fucking video. Yeah. Yeah, that would be nice. Right? Not the way it is. I go to at least $10,000 per video, but it doesn't happen. At one point, we were hot.

Every video was every video was over $10,000. Every video. But just like you said, that's the algorithm. Like you said, you guys were doing really good for a while. Then it kind of, it cooled off. And then it'll come back up. And I have like two months where it's like, fuck, this is it, bro. Like, we're doing great.

And we have two months where it's like, Jesus, bro. Then you see those that just take off and they keep them going. You're like, what the fuck they got that I got right now? I've had videos where we put. put out the video and it got 8,000 views, 10,000 views. Three months later, in a week, it gets another 20,000. And then a week later, it gets another 30. And then again, next thing you know, within two months, it's got 100 or, it's got 90 or 100,000 views.

And you're like, what happened in the interim of that two months that suddenly it took off? Yeah, I've had that happen too. Like, I'm not watching it. I look, I go get the video. That's 40,000 views. Where did it get those views? It's insane. I mean, yeah, you just can't, like you said, it's, I can't figure it out.

but so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing because at this point it's paying my bills I like doing it I like talking to you know the guys that I get to talk to you know I think it's it's you know it's great and it's great to get these you know where these guys even though I don't even try and do this where these guys are like bro like you know you got me through a tough time in my life or what you said was inspirational or I look up to you and to me I'm not trying to be be inspirational at all but it is still pretty cool when someone says wow bro Like, I watched that video and that fucking, you know, that really moved me. Like, that really got me through a tough period of time or whatever it was.

That's, you know, that's a good feeling. Yeah. Because the thing about you, that's great is you get to push your narrative, your story, your truth of what you walk people to the year. This is your brown. And that's why I try to respect every other YouTube out there, but it doesn't mean if they always give the respect to which are. No. Yeah. Well, how do you feel about the, how do you feel about the, how you feel about the, how you feel

about this interview. Anything else want to go over? I'm good. Is there any questions you want to ask? You sure? Yeah. No. I mean, I'm obviously I'm curious about the case, but we talked about it before and you know, you obviously don't want to get into it. So I totally understand that. You can't because of the attorney stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah. You know, it's a weak case, so, man, you know, it's a one shot, hit two people. So it's a self-defense case, basically. Yeah, I get it. So we got to see what happened. And, you know, pretty much this person was wanting to attack you for some time and tried to attack me.

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