Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Wes Watson’s Sentence REVEALED by Lawyer

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

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There's a minimum of around on the second charge, on the girl. There's a lot of Wes Watson cursing, a lot of. descriptors, and then we are going to talk actual knowledge. Because that's, I tell you, and you know this to be true, you can watch like hours of this Wetswatson stuff and not figure out a lot of what's going on. No. No. Well, I have, and you, you're a criminal defense attorney and you've been doing it in Florida

for. Since 93, 33 years. Wow. I've had so many West Watson's in my. life. I mean, really. And one of the things is when people start talking about what his sentence is going to be and things of that sort, I'm like, oh, God, you guys just have not dealt with Florida. The goat alpha male. West Watson. There's alpha male competition out there, but West Watson was really, he was a good story, too. Right. But most of, not all of, because I know a couple of guys that

do the whole, they have the whole, what is it, red pill, alpha male, you know, the whole thing, right, they preach the same stuff that West does more eloquently. But these are, some of these guys are just massive guys, like big, like they beat West to a pulp. But that's few and far in between. For the most part, Wes is, he's a big guy. He's a big, scary guy. I mean, he's not, I think he says he's like six foot tall. or something. I think he's like 5-8.

Everybody that's met him, wait, what was his name? In the John Bravo video. Oh my gosh. He always gets upset, which is 6-2, That Lion motherfucker. Yeah, because he points it out in the police report. He's like, in the worst thing of all, look at that.

Oh, they are merciless, too. I mean, just in case you didn't know how tall he was, they'll, like, circle it on the reports, they'll put it, zoom up on it, yeah. No mercy. reports say that he's like six foot? No, says five,

says five, oh, let me see. Some of the arrest reports say five eight. Do they? Do they? Some of them do. Oh,

what God? Yeah, so he, I heard about West Watson. Big Herc had interviewed Wes Watson. And so Big Herc interviews me.

It's a great interview. Like, he's going really well. Right. And then it's funny, too, because when I went to California you before.

I'd seen some of his videos. And I noticed that a lot, that they had issues with people that cooperate. Right. I don't know if you know this, in the criminal world. I'm very familiar with that. They're very upset about this.

Yes. They call them they've got mean names. They've got rhymes. Rat. Yeah. They've got horrible names for these guys. Whole rap songs. Horrible.

Devoted to this. Whole albums. So at one point, somebody had said that, I guess in a comment or something, And somebody complained about somebody that Big Herk had interviewed. And he said, you said you'd never interview a rat. And in that, he explains, no, no, the guy, here's what he did.

He didn't cooperate. And he explains why he said, I would never do. And so I read that and thought, hmm. But I reached out to him. Say, hey, I'm going to be in California. I don't know if you were interested in interviewing me. He came back like, absolutely. Right.

We got on the phone. said, yeah, let's set it up. And I said, or maybe this was through text. And I said, hey, would you, I said, have you, do you know my story? Are you, you okay with me coming on? I'm sure you know my story. He said, absolutely, I know your story. And I keep my, my story at that point, I had just been on a podcast. I got like two million views. Nice. I do not think he knew my story, clearly. Because when we eventually sit down together and we have a talk, the first hour and change goes great. And then I get arrested and I cooperate.

And he is not happy. Right. And I lean into it. Yes. I mean, I lean into it because I can see he's not happy. But I don't really go all in because I'm also, it's also COVID. I'm in a hotel in downtown L.A. that is probably 99% vacant.

Right. And it's him and a buddy of. his who just did 10 years in state prison, and they both have done 10 years. And these are very big guys and really don't want to upset this guy too much because he could crush me. Because, you know, that's typically, you know, kind of that street guy's go-to move is crush someone, you know, harm them, beat him up. Sure. And I don't think I would offend it well. And I don't think anybody could have heard to be screaming, you know, if I'd have been like, help, help, fire, fire. Right. Nobody would come. So, but anyway, we did the whole thing.

We got to do a little bit bickered a little bit back and forth, and he stormed off. But during the course- He stormed off. No, no, it wasn't just stormed off. When they had to change, like, the SD cards, he got up and walked around the room like an angry bull. Just to calm down? Because of the snitching. Of course. Yes.

Wow. Very upset about it. And his cameraman, who's literally, I mean, we're talking about from here down tattoos. Right. Everything's tattooed. is like a Hispanic guy. And he's like, I guess his name, he called him like Eric or something. Anyway, he's like, calm down here.

I think his name was Eric. He's like, calm down, bro. It's all right. It's no big deal. And I'm sitting there thinking, I don't know if I'm going to make it out of here. I'm like, what is he most upset about that he's sitting in the room with a guy that cooperated that I'm arguing about it? Right.

That I'm not backing down. Right. Or that he's going to have to play this tape when he's told people he would Never. Right. Is this a waste of time? But it's clearly he keeps going. We keep going.

So we go, whatever, he breaks it up in like three parts. I really don't think any of them did that well. To be honest, they got like 30, 40,000 apiece. Yeah, yeah. At the time, we're like, oh, that was good. But then we did a reaction video to it. Our reaction video crushed it. Right.

But his channel also has really gone downhill. Like, it's just, I don't know that it was over really uphill or doing well. But it went up, and now it's kind of just play. It was so funny is that he's got a, he's got he he probably could have a hugely successful with just a couple of tweaks you could have a hugely successful channel but whatever that's not my problem i mean it's a great title it's a great concept listen he's and he did 10 years he robbed some banks he's got a good message he's not a bad guy right and also i'd also like to mention this too um he was the most professional person i dealt with the and i was dealing with every you know people that have they they have um degrees in finding i'm being interviewed by all these big time people that have

professional people. Right. He was the most responsive. He answered every question. He was, I mean, just really on it. Everybody else is like two days later you get a return or you have to send another email or another text or another. It's just that they're not responding or, you know, and then they want you on the show.

They can't give you a time or then they just suddenly, suddenly just before you're supposed to get the time or the address, they just stopped responding. You're like, the fuck's going on. What this person? You called me. This is a dating scene all over again. Jeez. So anyway, he, at one point, he ends up talking about Wes Watson.

He didn't say Wes's name, but he talks when we're talking about setting up a channel, because I was talking about setting up a channel, he ends up saying, yeah, man, a lot of these guys, he said, get out of prison. And then they beg me to come on the channel. He's like, he said, like this one guy, he's not going to mention his name, but you'll know who I'm talking about. Because he gets out of prison, said he's pushing a whole coaching thing. and, you know, he describes West Watson to a T. Right. And I'm sitting there thinking, oh, okay, I know who this is.

And he says, I bring him on the program. He said he blows up because I brought him on the program, which he really did. Wow. And he said, now he said he's blowing up. He's all over the place. He said, he won't return a phone call. Wow. He said, because I was talking about how I was trying to use this to kind of jumpstart my, a YouTube thing.

Right. So ungrateful. Right. And he was very upset, very upset. So I understand. Then I started watching Wes's content a little bit. And it's just a maniac. Right.

And then I did the whole, then we did the whole reaction videos, right? Like we started, you know, punching up. You know, we did the whole, what is it? Clout chasing, where we're trying to, you know, we're trying to use Wes's name. Right. So we get two guys. It's me and my buddy who. was in a pen, a federal pen. Right. And it's explaining that this is, like, what he's describing

is not what a federal, what a pen is like. Right. You know what I'm saying? This is not prison. I mean, I went to a medium. Like, I'm saying, and by the way, West didn't, I don't think he ever even went to a pen. I think he went to some medium security places, but I don't think he was in a pen. And I don't think he was in a California pin. He's always talked about California pins. Right. But I think he did his time in another state that was housing people from California. Really? Okay. So, and I could be wrong. You know, maybe, maybe I'm wrong. I don't. I don't. I think so. I think you're right. Was it Colorado that he did it in? Yes. I think so. And so, but he tells stories and he was, he's entertaining. It is entertaining. It is funny to a degree.

Then you get to a point where it's like, you find out you're talking to, he's telling young men how to behave. And it gets to be like, I don't know. Right. It seems like a bad idea. And then then guys start contacting me through Instagram and they're telling me, I just paid West Watson $500. to yell at me for 10 minutes. He hung up on me three times. I called back three times. He called me a bitch five or six times, hung up the phone. He was, but he took my $500.

Like I was supposed to get a 30-minute consultation, and I talked to him for five minutes in between the hang-ups, maybe 10 minutes total. He's like, and he won't even answer the phone now. And the guy's laughing his ass off. Right. It's an experience. He's like, I had one guy say,

listen, I will pay for you to film yourself talking to West. Watson. And I was like, it's so great. I was like, I can't do it. Oh, I can't do it. It's like a gold mine. Well, first of all, he's got to hang up immediately. You know, he's got to hang up fairly quickly. I'm like, what am I going to talk to him about? What am I? You know, I guess I could have tried to talk to him about YouTube or something. This guy's like, I'll pay for it. Anyway, so we bring my buddy Zach on and we had this huge conversation. We did, I think one or two videos about him, two, two videos about him, kind of bashing him a little bit. I don't think we said anything that was inaccurate other than he's got a good message for the most part 90% of it's good.

It's like Andrew Tate. 90% of it's good, you know, get up in the morning early, work out, you know, stop bitching about women being, you know, not liking you. You know, then you need to become the kind of guy that women do like, you know, stop playing video games. Stop, you know, like, whatever, you know, like, you know, get ahead, start working on yourself. So he's got a similar message only told horribly. And so we talked about that and we, you know, that was, that was pretty much it.

Right. Like, and then at that point, we kind of stopped doing the reaction videos just in general because, one, well, I don't really care about getting the hate, but you get to a point where they're not bringing in the views. And then you can do that when you're starting out, right? It's kind of clout chasing, right? You're clout chasing clout. And then you can do that when you start out. But then when you get to 100, 150, 200, then it's like, what do you?

what are you doing? Like you're not, you got to deliver. You're just bashing this guy. Right. At this point, you need to be able to, you need to be able to survive on your own. Right. Like a big boy. But some of it is creative, bashing and funny.

Well, some of it, like this video, is informative. Right. We're going to educate. Yes. People need to know. People need to know. So he's been incarcerated before. And at some point, in California.

And at some point, he ends up getting a lengthy sentence, right? Because wasn't he collecting, he was collecting on behalf of somebody, and I could be wrong, he was collecting on behalf of somebody, and it ended up being like a strong arm robbery or something where he beats the guy up and he takes his money, something along those lines. And he had already been incarcerated from my understanding several times on and off, like a lot of these guys. And then he ends up getting a stiff prison sentence and he does what, do you know? Nine years. Nine years. He does nine years. Did he get nine years? or do you do 90 years?

I think he did nine years. Oh, okay. No, you may be right. I think he did, he did a bit of time. Yeah. I think it was like 09 that he got sentenced. He might have got out in 18.

I can't do the math. Right. But it's a good stint. And the crimes are different in California. They're labeled different. So, but they were serious. All of them were serious.

Like what we would call aggravated battery, what he did in the Miami gym thing, he kind of did. up there. Yeah. Really. And that's mandatory prison in Florida. Just that charge alone is, it just scores so high.

And then he's got the burglary. So he broke in. And then he robbed somebody. I mean, it's like a trifect of things that went on in California that got him that nine years. So then he gets out of prison. After, according to him, he was the shot caller for all prison penitentiaries throughout the entire state.

And he was running everything. and the guards reported to him. And so according to it with. So he was kick ass. He was doing kick ass. He had a great time. So then he got, but he retrained himself.

He read some books and decided he was going to change his life and get out and be like a coach or something. So he gets out of prison. He does a couple of podcasts, several of them. And that kind of launches his career. And then at some point, he gets smart. And he says, California's taking like half my fuck. fucking paycheck. These guys are serious about this. And I heard Florida, it's confiscation. I mean, they're just confiscating money. And I heard that Florida doesn't have a state income tax.

I heard if you make a million dollars in Florida, you're probably walking away with 750,000 of it. So he moves to Miami. And depending on who you believe, he rents a Bugatti or leases a Bugatti, leases a couple of big cars, leases a really nice house, really nice, and starts a YouTube channel. Well, he started the YouTube channel in California, where he would sit on a bench out in the, did you ever see him? They're amazing. Are they?

Very good. He sits on a bench in a park, and he does this with his own. So you can see the van, like this, and the camera's right here. I mean, I can't, the pose is, it's exhausting. But it tells you about this, fucking, I knew this guy named Smoke in federal prison, or in prison, not federal, sorry, in state prison. And I, and I said, smoke, you know, and smoke mouth off it. I jam my fingers and I.

And then he, it's horrible. Like, it's just, it makes me sad. So he's talking about his confrontations in prison? In prison. That's just his YouTube schick for a little while. Well, some of it. Some of it. And sometimes, you know, obviously it dwindles down to, you know, you always got to be, you know, you always got to look out for yourself and you got to, you know, he's got always has a message weaved in there. And then people will come on the comments and say, bro, this guy, apparently he was beating people up every single day in prison. Then other guys are like, no, no, no, that story he just told is from another, from another, he was just telling a story about another inmate or he's stealing people's stories or he's, whatever the case is, is that. So, you know, there's haters.

I don't know whether it's true or not. But it does appear that he was smashing a lot of guys in prison. But he also read some books. And he came out and he started the podcast and then he moved to Miami. And then he started charging people to yell at them, coach them. Disguised as coaching or somewhere, you know, involved in yelling, there's some coaching. And cursing. There's a lot of curse words, high volume.

maybe some content in there. I've watched some of it, and some of his advice is not bad. If you dropped it in a chat GPT and said, can you eliminate the anger out of this? What's the message? Here's the message. Every now, at least in the beginning, it wasn't a horrible message. And then it just got into ego and just, ugh. Yeah.

So he starts charging outrageous amount. of money. And people are paying like $11,000 a month like for the silver package, you know, and it's like progressively getting worse. And he's, and these guys are paying for, you know, whatever, so many months. And I remember one guy came on the channel. He said he texted him. So he was paying? No, he didn't. But he texted, you know, you text him. He'll come back immediately. He's just sitting there at home. Nothing hits like home cooking. And Hello Fresh makes it easy to do more of it. I'll be honest. Most nights, I'm busy researching true crime stories or recording podcasts. So cooking a big meal from scratch isn't always easy. But with HelloFresh, everything shows up at

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okay, man, let me think about it. You ain't got to fucking do it. You're going to think about it. What are you going to do? You go ask your fucking mom about it. You're going to ask your fucking old ladies, she'll linge you the money. It just loses it on him. He's like, fuck, I say, let me think about it. Goes nuts on him. And then he said in another, in another something like Wes had done like a live or something that he was in the chat and he mentions, like he's like, hey, that sounds like a, you know,

oh, hey, that sounds interesting or something like that. He's like, oh, you shut the fuck up, motherfucker. You don't even have fucking $2,000 to come to the fucking mastermind. Like, he remembered him. Wow. He's like, fuck. Wow. But he does.

belittles you. And I told you about the guy that got yelled at. And then I, I've, there's, there's other people that have told me like, hey, man, I paid this guy like $2,000 for whatever. And I talked to him one time and then he just blocked me. Like, I was supposed to get like a week's worth of whatever. I talked to him one time. He used he did not know what he was talking about. Right. He's got to, I'm going to help coach you on how to get customers for your business or on how social, like, what are you talking about? You've never run a legitimate business. Right. And anything dealing with money, I mean, you would have to say so far away from this guy. Unbelievable.

I've heard him talk about money. Oh, you should rent everything. Well, you've heard the saying if it flies, floats, or fucks, you know, it's better to rent. Other than that financial advice, he's telling people some things I was rolling my eyes. So you're going to lease a house for $30,000 a month or whatever. I heard it was more than that, but it was a lot of money. You're going to lease a house probably because you cannot qualify to get a mortgage on a house. So it's easy to say, oh, you've got to lease everything.

Wait a minute. You can't afford everything. That's why you're leasing. Come on. You're leasing a house because that house is $7 million or something or whatever, and you don't have. And you can't obtain a mortgage on it because even if you have the down payment, you don't have the credit history. You don't have the, and you can't show with the income yet. Right.

You just started. Anyway, it reminds me of this. Do you know how many people have reached out to me and wanted to talk to me about real estate or opening a real estate business? And I've run a development company. And I've run a mortgage company. And it's like, yeah, but you ran. I'm like, yeah, but do you understand that the mortgage company? You now listen to a word I said on my podcast.

Right. And I'm not. My go-to move is not legit business. Absolutely. I'm like, I'm like, you have to understand. I can tell you how to set up your books and your bank account. and, you know, what's going to be a, you know, an expense. And, you know, I can tell you, I can help you with, you know, set up, let's say your tax,

your basic understanding of the same thing you'd get on YouTube. But guess what? My businesses that were successful were backed on fraud. Right. Like fraud. My secret recipe was fraud. Right. You know?

So go out and buy a house and, you know, because I would walk into a place and I'd look at it and I'd go, all right, yeah, we'll take it. We're going to flip this. Yeah. And they go, right. And, you know, the guy, the person selling the house who's an investor and it's a shithole house, he's like, okay, you want to get back with them? No, no, no, no.

Well, let's write up a contract right now. I'll take it for 40. Right. And they're like, wow, you seem really confident. Yeah, because I know there's no way I'll not make money on this house. Even if I put more money into the house that it's worth, I'll refinance it. Right. Twice if I have to.

I'll get the money back. I'll rent it out. I'll make the payments. I'll, you know, it doesn't. A couple homeless people will buy this thing. Of course. Yeah, I get it. Like, I'm going to sell it.

Yeah. It may be a legitimate buyer with somebody else's credit or maybe he doesn't even have a job. It's I'll get rid of it if I have to or if I'll rent it out. Right. You know, I'm not going to lose on it, but it's all based on fraud. And I always tell people, I'm like, look, I can tell you my first thing I'm going to tell you is do not hire someone who went to federal prison for bank fraud to help you run your lending institution. Right. And I had a guy in California who owns a finance company.

and he was interested in me coming and helping set up a mortgage company. Right. And I said, I'm not going to do that. And they were like, no, listen, you've got a base salary, you'll get this. I'm like, and all of that sounds good. I was like, first of all, my wife's family lives here. He's like, no, no, she can move. Listen, the amount of money, you'll be able to fly her back.

No, and I get it. But the bottom line is, do you understand what my charges are? And he was like, right, right, right. He's like, no, I understand, but here's the thing. Like, we'll have this guy. He'll be the manager. You just come and we'll just say you're the guy who you're doing. kind of quality control. I'm like, no, but people aren't stupid. If there's a room of people,

and I understand that there's going to be a room, most people will be at home, but there will be people there. And at some point, they're going to notice they have a question and they talk to John about it. And then John walks off into this office where they know I am and he come back with the answer. And when that happens three or four times, they start to realize, I think that guy Cox is running this fucking business. I think he's answering the questions. I notice he's given the sales meetings. That doesn't sound like quality control. That doesn't sound like fraud prevention. Like this guy looks like he's running the place. I said, and you'll need one disgruntal employee, just one. And they'll go, and when they hear it's me, you're going to get an article made.

That article's going to get an investigation. And we may have done nothing wrong. It doesn't matter. Your name is smeared. Right. And your legitimate financial institution, which does other things, right? Stocks, bonds, other things. Because it's a time. to this. Now you're smeared. Now your business you've run for 15 years is attached to some guy who's a fraudster that's now working, running your, they're going to make it sound like I'm running the fucking place. Absolutely. It's a horrible idea. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that to you. I'm not going to do it to me. And at no point can I be in front of a federal judge and be believed. Like even he's telling exactly the truth. The U.S. prosecutor will twist it.

And the judge will say, I'm believing him over you because you're a fraudster, Mr. Cox, and you knew better. And I do know better. Right. If you didn't know better, you should have known better. Right. Right. So it's YouTube for me. Right. Well, you're doing great. Thank you. Thank you. This is good. This is good. Now, we have had a few people come on the show, actually, who are West Watson believers. Oh, yeah. We had Taylor Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh. We've had another guy who owns a gym in South Florida. Wow, that does.

The gyms do not surprise me, but. And the guy that owned the gym, when I said, so, Wes Watson, he's like, no, Wes is a good guy. And he went to bat for old Wes. And I was like, oh, okay, well, you said, you don't understand. He's not really like that person. And I was, oh, okay, okay. Taylor, was it, you say Taylor, was it Tyler? Was Tyler?

There was Tyler Kavanaugh. Am I saying it wrong? Cavanaugh. Was he Kavanaugh paying him the monthly due? No, I think. Silver member. Initially, initially he did. Kavanaugh has a story.

Yeah. Tony Torres is the other guy. Oh, yeah, Tony. So I should talk to old, tell you, say, Tony, what are you thinking now? How do you feel good? No, still feel good about this? So, so, no, Kavanaugh was a Navy SEAL who eventually, I don't know if he was asked to leave or he was thrown.

I don't think he was thrown out. But I think he was probably asked gently to leave because he'd been in several fights, right? Right. Big guy. Right. And he had left and then he didn't feel like he was ready to give it up. So he went and joined the Foreign Legion. Oh, wow.

Right? That's the coolest thing ever. I didn't even know it was a really, there really was a foreign language. Well, I did because I knew a guy in prison that wanted to join the Foreign Legion. But I kind of thought, like, is there really a Foreign Legion? I don't know. So I heard I knew there was, but apparently there still is. Kavanaugh goes, and I think he did like six years there.

And then towards the end, he had started his coaching business. And they came to him and they were like, look, you got to hang this up. You can't be doing this and be in the foreign language. Oh, interesting. He said, and my contract with him was just about to run out. So I was like, okay, I'll just, I'm going to let it run out then, then I'm going to leave here. And he said, I had a few months to wrap it up. And then I left.

And now he went to Miami. He knows West. works out with Wes, I think, and hangs out with him. So we also mentioned it to Kavanaugh about his. I said, what's up with this guy? He's like, good guy, bro. Good guy. Right.

And he said, yeah, I don't talk about other people. I don't talk about other people. So you didn't get anything. Got nothing out of him. I'd love to know what he thinks now if he still stands behind that. Wes is a good guy. You know, because honestly, one of the arrests, you can, you can, it's still a douchebag thing, but you can almost say,

F around and find out. I mean, really, that was a little, that was a little staged. Yeah. Like, not on Wes's part either. No, no, no, no. Yeah, the guy clearly went down there. Wes is inviting people that. Well, we'll get into it.

But one of them, it's like, part of it's okay, part of it's not. Yes. But then the second one with the girlfriend and his first girlfriend has a story to tell. Has a story to tell too. Right. That he's extremely abusive. But then, of course, she went back to him because I have a buddy of mind. who interviewed her.

Is she back now? No, no, no. She went back after that. She was with them for like a year or so. And then they broke up. And then he met this new girl, the one he smacked around. Right. So let's, so he moves in Miami, starts his whole thing.

What happens in Miami? He was kicking ass. Elevation, Jim, doing well. I see no, no issues other than the fact that he talks a lot. a crap, obviously, online. And we have to separate when these celebrities, and I guess he was celebrity of sorts. Yeah, sure. When they start.

He's YouTube famous. Yes. When they start saying stuff, you can't. I owned a recording studio for many years, even while I was a defense attorney. And you get people behind the mic, and they will say things. And I'm like, that sounds like a confession or two about all the, whatever you did in this rap song. Right.

Oh, no, no, no, this is just my persona, right? So I do think people have this persona on social media. I think this guy had this persona on social media. Now, he might have been the real deal also. I don't know Wes at all. But for this guy to come to his gym and sort of take all this seriously. And then I think... So this is the first...

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We'd love to talk, business. Right, where supposedly, I mean, I haven't seen the, I haven't seen the Instagram messages or whatever. People were mouthing off to Wes. It sparks engagement. It pushes your video. He screams. You scream.

They go back and forth. They start screaming at each other. Like some of our best videos were there's something controversial and people are arguing and it helps boost the views. So he's screaming at some guy and he kind of puts out, puts it out there. And I don't know that he was screaming at this guy. Right. He was yelling at people and commenting and he posts something where he says,

listen, I work out every day at this gym at this time. If anybody wants to come down there, we will go in the parking lot and we'll handle it in the parking lot like two men. Like he definitely says we'll go in the parking lot. It'll be, you know, man against man, whatever. And he says this. Right. And so I don't know how many days later it is. What does Johnny Bravo call him? The seven foot monster. Right. Yes. The seven. This is horrible. The seven-foot monster comes in, walks in the gym, sees Wes working out with three of his buddies. I want to say three. I could be wrong.

What am I meant two? I think it was three. But he's working out with two or three other guys, puts his phone down. Absolutely. Turns it on. Yeah. Videos walks over to Wes and starts mouthing off to him. You know, something along the lines of, you know, hey, you know, I'm here.

You said you wanted to. He pushed West too. He actually pushed him, which in Florida. Stay in your ground. Legally, now you, you've just elevated this thing. You, you exchange some words on social media. Who cares, dude? Right.

And you said you're going to take it to the parking lot, but you put your camera right there in the gym and you push the guy. You're ready to go right there. Right. You just, not that any of this is contractual. Like these people, you and I both know, no fights are fair. Let's be honest. Is there ever a fair fight on planet Earth?

No. Like, unless you are literally MMA, you see a box. Yes. They make it as fair as they can. But outside of that ring and those organizations that regulate, you will never have a fair fight. We have seen it. You saw it while you were doing your time. I've seen it defending it.

And I always tell my people, here's the thing. If you win the fight, you're the one arrested. 99 times out of 100. You want to win this fight? Fine. Then you're going to go to jail. Not the guy. The loser never goes to jail.

You know you lost the fight when you're the one calling the police and saying, I lost this fight. Go arrest the guy that beat the crap out of me. This guy beat me up. Yeah, this guy beat me up. But this guy that shows up at that gym, he pushes Wes. I saw that much of the video. It's kind of hard to see some of the video. Now, in Florida, the problem is how much, how much of a beat down do you get to give somebody that invited you to fight and invited a beatdown?

Yeah. Okay, you got what you asked for. Now what? Where do we go from here? Now, he didn't ask for a barbell to the head. Like, that's ridiculous. All right, that's what I'm saying. That's criminal.

And I've seen it, and I've even mentioned this in a video where I said, listen, initially, you've got a fair fight. You've got stand your ground. Yeah. I don't have to back down. You don't have a matter of fact, we can have a fist fight right here. Nothing wrong with that. Let's go.

We have a fist fight, but it's when someone won. Well, someone's down and out. Right. They're down. They're on their knees. You don't get to start kicking them. You don't start kicking people to head. This guy, you've clearly won the fight.

He's down. And then your buddy, you don't get to take your weight belt and start smashing them. Right. You don't get to grab a dumbbell. Your buddies don't get to jump in and start kicking the guy and punching the guy. Now there's three guys beating up one guy who's admittedly a big guy. But once he's clear, he's crawling and he's down. Now, the rest, all of that other stuff,

to me, in my opinion, and I'm not illegal, but in my opinion, it's like, okay, now you've, now this is a criminal case. Right. Now this isn't like, hey, we're going our separate ways. Because what people don't realize is in Florida,

if these two guys had a fist fight in the gym and a couple guys' jams didn't broke it up or one guy hit the ground holding his nose, the cops show up and say, what happened? Well, I was mouthing off. This guy came down here. He pushed me. I punched him.

We got into a fist fight. He beat me up. I hit the ground. I think my nose is broken. And they'd have been like, they said, okay, well, sounds to me like you should go home. Right. And, you know, seven foot monster, I think you should go home too. You shouldn't have come down, but he shouldn't have invited you to come down.

Right. So, you know, okay, you guys go your separate ways. But when the guy hit the ground and he's no longer a threat and you're just beating on him and beating him, and your buddies are joining in to beat on them. And you're beat. And this, that goes on for a while. You can't see a lot of it, but you can see enough to know he's down. He's on his knees. And he's just getting smashed.

smashed and smashed by multiple people using weapons. People are like, oh, it was a weight belt. I don't want to get hit by a weight belt. Wait belts are the fucking leather. They're this fucking thick. They're hard as hell. Some metal on the end of it. It's going to hurt.

Yeah, it's going to hurt. So anyway, so that's what I saw. So is that what, am I wrong? No. How do you feel legally? I don't disagree with you, but I don't know what this guy said either. So because I saw the body cam where Wes Watson is like, I didn't want to fight this guy. I told him to go.

I said, I'm not fighting you. And you may have 100 reasons why you're not going to fight that day. Look, I just got down with my workout. I just pulled. I don't care what his reason is. I'm going to go to dinner. I got my Bugatti outside. I just got a new tires.

Yeah, exactly. Something on my face. Whatever his schedule did not permit a beat down, whatever it was. And so now he's like, I have to. change my schedule to beat this guy down. And here he goes. I just don't see the criminality until it turns into the gang beating, like you said. But even then, I don't think it sends the right message that people can show up and literally get physical with you first.

The seven foot monster shows up, pushes him first, and the guy won't leave, won't leave, won't leave. if it's true what Wes Watson said, which is, hey, I told him I didn't want to fight. I told him I didn't want to fight. Like, okay, now, now what happens? Then he pushes him. And then that's, okay. Yeah. Now, how much of a beat down do you get to give somebody?

Before it becomes criminal. Yeah, before it comes criminal. And because I don't get to see the whole video and what have you, we see the after effects on the body cam where the guy was, you know, kind of beat up and he can't talk right and okay, that was a little much for sure. But man, the guy's got an aggravated battery and a battery and a bunch, you know, a few things that they're defensible. I'm telling you, it's first of all, it's mutual combat. Florida has, I mean, we've all watched hockey games.

I mean, these folks basically agree if they piss each other off, they are going to fight. Right. And they're going to bloody each other right there on the ice ring half the time. Nobody goes to jail. Nobody goes to jail. And this is similar in the sense that you are literally potentially, you're creating your own hockey ring, you're just setting up the cameras, but now you don't like how it ended. And also use some common sense here. You invited four guys to a fight, really. And now you're complaining that you fought with four guys. Now, do I think that's right? Of course, I don't think that's right. But it goes back to the rule that.

we have in the universe. It might be a universe rule. There are no fair fights on the street, right? Is the street ever fair? Come on. No. We have seen so many videos where they're getting cheap shots. How many videos have we seen where somebody goes down and they get more kicks when they get down? I think we could change the law in Florida and say the kick while they're down is an extra crime. I could go along with that. Literally. It's an enhancement. Yeah, it's an enhancement. It's aggravated kicking while the guy is down. We could go for that. And I might vote for that.

I'm fine with it, but we don't have that law. Right. We have a law that says you get to agree to fight. That is literally Florida's mutual combat law says you can agree to fight. These guys agreed to fight. Right. So I don't know where to draw the line because we have to see the whole video. But just because this dude lost and got kicked while he was down, I'm still not sure.

So I want to mention something that, so Wes does get arrested. Yes. Gets arrested, goes to jail, bonds out. And while he's out, there's a YouTuber. I want to say he's a kid, maybe he's in his 20s or something, early 20s or something. So there's a YouTuber and they see Wes in what, if I memory serves me, it was in like a restaurant. he a couple of got a couple of his buddy the YouTube streamer and his buddies are see West they're like oh you're West Watson they but I don't think Wes knew he has his camera on like it's running oh so Wes ends up saying do you want to play it did you find it I can find it it's like basically it's like a streamer you know people right which is streaming yes and West sees them you're Wes Watson and you're in public so you're in public and he's like hey what's happening with that whole thing and Wes ends up saying saying, ah, these motherfuckers, you know, he's like, fucking DA.

So he goes on a little bit, if I remember correctly. He goes on and he basically says, they're asking for five years. Yes, I heard that. Okay. Yeah. And he said, oh, but, you know, I got my attorney. We think we can get him down to maybe three, two or three. But yeah, they definitely want me to serve two or three.

Not sure. I think we can get it down to three. Something along those lines is what he's saying. and so that guy ends up putting it up and it blows up. And then, you know, of course, I'm sure Wes was like, motherfucker. I feel like he didn't know the camera's on. I could be wrong. He didn't.

I don't think he did either. I saw that footage. And I do agree with you. The sentiment is we want fair fights, even though we know that never happened. But if they become unfair, you're going to get criminal. You're just going to be charged. You have to do some time. Yeah.

You just have to be charged. have to accept that. If you want to be unfair, just take your punishment, dude. Like, be a man, man up. Like, you screwed up, barbell man screwed up. Whoever brings a barbell into this thing while the guy's already down, come on, dude, you're going to do some time. You just can't do that. But, yeah, like I said, if it had just been a fight, just the two of them had just, you know, thrown hands and stayed on their feet, you know, that would have been it. If the guy had gone down and he stopped, That would have been it. You know, but no, it was, that's not what happened at all.

So, all right. So now Wes is, he's out on bond. He's, it's funny too, because he's being sued. And so Johnny Bravo does a whole thing on him being. I can only imagine. After calling him a fucking piece of shit. I don't know. There's probably some content in between the effing piece of shit.

He's being sued. The seven foot monster's lawyers like suing him. They're suing him. Right. Like, they're not, they're in the process of, uh, of the suit and they do a deposition. And I mean, it, Wes is just, you know, Johnny Brava reads, you know, he, he's in character. Wes is in character. Yeah, he's definitely.

He's just, he's, he's talking about the guy, talking about his family, talking about, is like, are you, you know, because of the lawyer's like, are you threatening my family? That's not what I said. I said, how would you like it if someone did this to your family? How would you like someone who came to your, your family's house, banged on your door, said this to your wife, said, This is like, okay, well, that's not exactly what happened. Like what, but, you know what I'm saying? He started feeling like, are you threatening me?

They go, and Wes is just absolutely in character, just cussing and everything and, and going off and they're going, that poor fucking lawyer. I have a, I have a friend of mine. He's a defense attorney, and he and I are on opposite spectrums on depositions. And his deposition strategy is very simple. He is maximum asshole in deposition, maximum asshole. maximum asshole, just a dick, as much as he can be a dick, especially in, how do I say this without setting off alarms, when a man physically takes advantage of a woman or what have you, and now

you're deposing that woman. His goal for his client is that that woman walks out of that room or that man walks out of that deposition and says, I never want to see that defense attorney again. Right. I don't want to be on the stand when that guy is coming at me. again. And it's very successful. I am the complete opposite. I'm like, just give me as much. Just keep talking. I'll do the transcript and I'll find some motions to get rid of this. You know, just keep, keep them talking. But there is some good strategy in terms of that guy

irritating on purpose. I think it's unethical, but it's an effective defense strategy. I don't feel like the attorney was it. I think just anything he said. West was just being West. Anything he said, Wes went off on him. Right. You know, he's calling him names. He's doing it. It just got progressively worse and worse and worse. And so he's in the middle of being sued because obviously this guy is not waiting for the – he knows there's going to be a guilty plea of some kind.

Like the government's not backing off. And I have a question for you. Well, I mean, obviously we know why the government's not backing off. But is the government taking into consideration this guy has a lengthy criminal record. in California and that they can bring that into the court? Absolutely. What if Wes, well, if it's similar, they're all similar crimes, right? So yeah.

A little bit. Right. So if, because it's my understanding that in the state, if you have several bank fraud charges, let's say. Right. They can't. And you get into a fist fight. Right.

If they can't bring up. those previous charges because it's a completely different crime. And two, unless you get on the stand, if you get on the stand and you testify, then they can say, you've been arrested before, having you, Mr. Fox? Right. And it was crimes involving dishonesty, which is a whole separate question. Now, you're hitting on something very important. We call that in Florida the Williams rule.

It's real simple. If you robbed a bank before and now you could caught robbing another bank, that doesn't come in. Oh, it doesn't come in. But if you were wearing a clown suit, right? You were wearing a clown suit and you had big orange hands and you did that again. It's sufficiently similar. They call it like a fingerprint. Like this is your MO, right?

It's not just a random bank robbery, but you wear a certain clown suit. You do it in a certain way. Now you have this fingerprint of how you do it. But even though you've already been convicted of these other crimes. These other bank robberies. What I'm in, the separate crimes come in in two different ways in Florida and only two ways. Number one, your client is dumb enough to take the stand. If your client is dumb enough to take the stand, the prosecutor gets to say, just like you said,

hey, didn't you rob a bank before? Right. Not the details, but they do get to say, you were convicted of robbery back in whenever. Yes, I was. And you were convicted of that, yes, I was. it's a little more involved than what I just made it sound. But if you want to get really crazy in Florida, which they do, and it's called the Williams rule,

it means you did the exact same shit. So if he got into a fight in a similar manner, it breaks down the same way. It's like Wes Watson's fight fingerprint just shows up in California and shows up in Florida. now you got trouble. Now they could get that in, potentially. I don't see any way they can do it.

In this case, there's probably no way. Because California, first of all, I think he went to trial in California, too. He didn't, I don't think he copped a plea in California. There ain't no bitch in his blood. No, he went to trial. He went to trial in California. Maybe that's why he got hit so hard because maybe, I don't know, maybe that plea might have been lighter, but he went to trial and then he did his time.

Yes, I can see them bringing up some stuff from California. The second way California, the real way California is going to factor in is that if you or I committed this gym offense, we'd get us, we'd have to do a certain amount of time. I get that. But because Wes has these other crimes, it adds a lot of time to what he's going to do. So during sentencing, that's one comes. Right. During plea negotiations and sentencing, it actually talks. the hands of the judge. So the judge has to look at this piece of paper called a score sheet,

and that score sheet says, Your Honor, you have to give this guy at least, say, five years. You can't give him four. You can't give him three. So there's a range. There's a range. And for you and I, that range is going to be nothing for the gym case. It's going to be, say, 21 months. The minimum would be not even two years. For him, like I wrote some napkin things down on what it's going to be like. For you and I, but I have a criminal history. That's true. But yours would be washed away because if you have a 10-year break from... Even if you're incarceration? Yeah, 10 years from your incarceration. Have you been from release?

Yeah, 10 years from release. I haven't been 10 years. It's been six years. Oh, it's only been six years. Then you're still... I'm doing more than 21. months? Yeah, yeah, you are for the gym thing and the other things, a whole nine yards. But so look, on the gym thing, I've got them down at a minimum of 55 months, a minimum. Now, this is a starter pack here because he could get a minimum of 59 months depending on how they score California. There's an art, it's not a science in terms of what you did in California. how many points do we give you for doing if you did it in Florida?

Right. But here's the kicker. The kicker is you take that 55 months, which is minimum, and then you've got to add the injury points, what we call injury points. Now, Wes is looking at, like, say, a minimum of seven years. So depending on how you score it. So you get to score it as moderate injury,

slight injury, severe injury. I say it's moderate to severe. If he's in the moderate range, he's got a minimum of 6.1 years. Minimum. That's just on the gym case. If it's severe, and I don't think it was severe injury, because I saw the body cam, and the dude was talking, he was walking around and all that. If it is severe, then he's looking at a minimum of more.

So now, something else you have to consider it. I just said the judge has to do this. Now there's a way to get around this, and his attorneys are going to get. get around this, I think. And the way to get around it is what we call a downward departure. And that's just a fancy way of saying, we have this list in Florida. If you make this list, then you get to go under that seven years. If you don't make that list, you don't get under it. And one of the things is if the victim provoked the incident, you get to go under that seven. Okay, which he did, which we feel like he did.

He absolutely did. He didn't provoke the barbell to the head. He didn't provoke the kicks while he was down. But he definitely... Yeah. He definitely contributed towards the fight in itself. And that could get Wes a lower sentence than what he is legally entitled to. Okay.

So we have to keep our eye on that because that could happen. So if that's the case, what are you thinking... What do you think is a reasonable sentence? Because they are going to... If they can use that... to get around these kind of this this minimum, get them under the range, then what are you thinking? Like how far under does it go typically? Is it two years?

You can go as far under as the judge is willing to go. And because this is sort of an F around and find out kind of situation, it kind of depends on what judge you have and how that judge reacts viscerally to, you know, we don't want to encourage. Or do we want to encourage randoms showing up fighting and then when they lose the fight, the other guy gets sent to prison? Like we should at least send a message that says, hey, you can't necessarily lose the fight and then expect this guy to do the max. So I think if I were Wes's attorney and you get a three-year offer, I think you just got to take three.

I realistically think he's in the five to six range on this, and that's it. All those videos are like, he's going away for live. He's doing 20 years. I bet he does no more than six on the gym fight. Now, because he took California to trial, there's like that wild card in me that says he could take this to trial too. Have a little spectacle. He might walk, walk free. He could.

He could. And also remember, and this hasn't happened. yet, but it's, I don't know why it hasn't happened yet. But that attorney is going to file for immunity on, you know, on stand your ground issues, where you don't have to stand your ground in your house. So he could file at some point for immunity. And that's a great law in Florida because you don't need a jury, right? Stand your ground.

You get to test this thing out. You have a mini trial with the judge. And then the judge could say, hey, Wes, I think you're entitled to immunity on this. You know, I think this guy provoked it, whatever. And you told him to go. You told him you didn't want to fight. He pushed you. He got physical first.

So I'm going to, I'm going to give you immunity. Politically, I don't think that'll happen. But legally, I don't see why his defense attorney wouldn't ask. So what about if he got to? goes to trial and he let's do, he does not take the stand, will the state, will the state attorney, will they be able to play YouTube videos of him? Yes. Even if he doesn't take the stand? Even if he doesn't take the stand, because if he says something incriminating, right? You can't go to trial.

Right. If he says something incriminating and if his mouth is moving, it could be incriminating. Yes. So, and that's a gold mine, man. Come on. Come on. Right. Like, if you're his lawyer, are you saying, like, I don't care that they're only going to five.

You got to take five. Right. You cannot go to trial. These people will crucify you. In Florida, if you go to trial, because in the federal system, you go to trial, there's a penalty. Now, it's not a written penalty, right? Like it's not on the books, but you know, if they're offering you five years and you go to trial and you lose, you're doing 15 or 20. We have a trial penalty.

It's an unwritten rule. Right. But believe it or not, some judges don't impose it. And some judges even go in the reverse direction. Some judges hear the whole story. My prosecutor, I think you're a little ambitious on this. I'm going even lower. I've seen it.

It's happened before. So I don't know, but the YouTube is going to be very limited. That doesn't happen in Wes's case. We both know that. Nobody's going to watch a 30-minute version of, or a 30-minute collage of or montage of Wes's YouTube snippets and be okay with him walking the street. They're going to be like, this guy got to go. Well, you're right.

That is true. but that part is not coming into trial. I don't know what he said since the gym thing that is going to be admissible. It has to be some factual because if you show up at trial and your defense attorney starts saying or on cross-examination like, well, West said this and West said that, and then they get to play the tape. They're like, they get to rebut that. Right. So I don't know how that trial is going to go. Mr. Watson is a kind soul.

But we got something. Right, exactly. You just open the door. He would never. Wait a minute. We're going to get, I think we're going to get a trial before we get the trial, because I think we're going to get a stand-your-ground trial, and that trial is going to show us everything.

We're going to see, it's just a mini-trial. And if that doesn't work, that will be Wes's signal, dude, everything played out. You can see, they've shown their hand. And do you really want to go to trial after you saw what they've got? Maybe he does. Maybe he doesn't. I don't know.

He said, Wes said some good things on body cam to the cops. Like, he insisted, man, I told this guy did not want to fight. It did not want to fight. I did not want to fight. He wanted to fight anyway. So some of the stuff is good for him. Yeah. The actual fight is bad for him.

Right. But, you know, so. So, Wes had a shot of maybe a few years. You're saying five, maybe three or four. Had he kept his ego in check and his jealousy in check. Right. But that is not what happened. No.

No. No. It's not evil. It's all bad. It's all bad. And. So how long, before the second incident, how long, is the projected trial date for something like that

or like how long would be the projected sentencing for something like that? Could it be prolonged for six months a year? It's going to be years. It's going to be drag it out. Yeah, it's going to be dragged out. And I saw something, and I don't know if I was right or wrong or if I even interpreted it right or wrong,

but they were saying like they didn't know who he was when they gave him bond the first time. Is that true? Like if they knew who he was, would they maybe say, this guy, he doesn't get no bond. He's going to stick around. No, I think that on the first time he would have had a higher bond, but under Florida law, even though he had the California 2009 incident, Florida would have given him a bond.

They would have. So even though they didn't know he had that, they would have given him a bond. So when he got bond this time, the judge said, stay out of trouble. Right. Stay at a trouble. Or next time you won't get a bond. Until trial. Until trial.

and that's what's happened. And how long ago, do we know the timeline from him getting out? Has it been a year, less than a year? I think he's been less than a year. Yeah. But regardless of the time, it is standard procedure in Florida. I would argue this. If he got a DUI, I would still say they would have revoked his bond on the violent case.

I mean, almost. Almost any misdemeanor. Because the way Florida works is you're out on felony bond. If you get handcuffs again, we're revoking that felony bond. So the fact that he failed spectacularly on the second arrest, it doesn't matter. I mean, any arrest would have revoked his bond. Yeah. I mean, the article is back in June 13th, so last summer was around the incident.

Wes did have a girlfriend. He did have another girlfriend. Before this. Before this. James actually interviewed her. Okay. And in that interview, she was not with Wes, did not have any great things to say about him, but then got back together with him. Went back to Miami. He interviewed her in Vegas, and I guess she ended up going back to Wes and moving in. Who knows what that relationship was or what, that, you know, a conversation was that. But apparently he was, you know, he's always been brutal to women.

So she moves back in with him and it's, and, you know, they're together. And then eventually they break up a few months ago and he hooks up with this new chick, meets her, buys her a boob job. and she then goes out with her friends to a game, right? I don't know what kind of game. It was a heat game. Heat game. And this is all while the Miami case is pending.

He's out on Bond. He's hanging out. Yeah. Now, supposedly, and I don't know if this is true, I'd heard this. I get all my information on social media, so that means absolutely nothing. But supposedly he's not living in that house anymore. He's lost the boo. he's driving some other vehicle and, you know, he's losing a lot of stuff. He also has

lost a lot of weight. There are rumors that he was on blow, but I don't understand how that's possible because if he's out on bond, I'm assuming you're getting urine tests on bond. Is that common? No. No. So there's two ways to bond out in Florida. One way is straight bond. Right. But sometimes the judges will actually put you on what we call pretrial release, which is a fancy way of saying you're almost on probation while you're out to make sure that you're doing things right. And that, I can understand why they didn't do that because I watched that bond hearing, that initial appearance on the first case, on the Miami case, and they didn't put any

conditions. They just said $5,000 bond next case. Now, if they said $5,000 bond, PTR, that's a fancy way of saying, come up with the money, and then you've got to show up to a release officer every month, do your random drug test, blah, blah, blah. I would say some DUI people get that, too, even. They are going to make sure that there's no alcohol in their system while they're out on bond, that sort of thing. He didn't get any of that. So he was a free man.

So there may be drugs involved. He's definitely lost weight. He lost weight. He's out of his house. He's lost the vehicles. I'm sure he's still making plenty of money. How? I'm assuming he's still got a ton of people that are still doing coaching.

And he does coaching. He does training where he trains people. Right. I don't think just based on the numbers, he does not make the money that he says he makes. Right. But he still makes, I'm sure he's still making a good bit of money. So he buys it. He meets this chick, buys her a boob jaw, buys her a massive ring.

I'm assuming it's real. And then she eventually... 15 carrots, I think. 15 carrots? That's fucking insane. I heard it was rented. Yeah, I was... A YouTube video I watched said where the lady was leased. Wow.

Can you imagine? And when he opened the ring, he didn't open it towards her. He opened the ring, like, towards him. So this shit is there. That's great. It's all for the camera. This is the ring. I got you.

So anyway, he gives her the ring. She's got the new boob. She goes out with her friends. They go to a heat game. And at the heat game, what is she doing at the heat game? See, nobody tells us, but they tell us. And she is doing some social media posts that is probably showing more of her boob job, yeah, than he would like.

Right. I don't understand the concept. you bought this for her. Have you seen the pictures, though, of her kind of talking with her, she's with her friends. Yeah. I didn't get it. It seemed normal. They're always shooting from that angle.

The fact that there's cleavage should not shock anybody. And he shouldn't have been shocked by that. This is like normal Miami, no offense to Miami, but this is normal behavior of young ladies that just got a boob job. Every chance they get, low cut up here. He knows what he married, too. Like, you know this girl. She's social. I question whether he knows her, but yeah, absolutely.

You don't think you can, and you can meet somebody in a month later, be engaged and know him? Oh, no, you can. But now know, no, but no, you can be engaged. Yeah. So, yeah, so she's, you know, she's in Miami. She's, you know, social media, Instagram, you know, that's what you're going to do. Like, that's what you signed up for. Absolutely.

I would ask for a refund if I didn't get that. Yeah. I don't understand. So that's what happened. So she comes home. And he, well, he's. or starts texting. A hundred times.

Like a hundred times at night. But they escalate, right? They're like... Words of affection? Words of affection. And then not, right? And then get your ass home. And then I'm going to hurt your family.

I've heard... I haven't seen the messages. We saw the police report that alludes to some threats. Right. But this is common. I see this all the time. Look, I have to tell you,

and you know this to be true. But... So many batteries and this situation. There's only two reasons you have domestic issues. Number one, alcohol. 99% of domestic cases involve some sort of drug 90% of the time is alcohol. Number two, phones, meaning social media, right? I have so many cases, bad injuries, bad fights, all because the phones.

the phone goes off or there's something on the phone. She posts something. He posts something. This is rampant now. And it's just causing riffs with everybody everywhere. This is not shocking. He should know he's a social media guy. He should know she's posting and he's posting.

But yeah. So she still comes home. Well, I was shocked that she would come home. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm getting these messages. I'm not going out there. Until you calm down. She's 120 pounds. girl. This guy's, you know, what,

190, 200? Could be. I mean, I think Johnny Bravo said, you know, says he's two six, 60, that piece of shit's not too fucking 60, motherfucking. What's he call him? Pippie or something? No, no, he calls Peggy. Peggy. He was in there in the fucking clink getting pegged. That's what he said. Something like that. So,

so she goes back. I can't believe she shows up. Like, I'd be like, listen, I'm staying in a hotel. I'm not coming home. You're, or I'll meet you somewhere in public. Right. But no, goes there. That's a good idea. Yeah.

That would have been wise. Yeah, well. And now we're talking about it. And then, but when she gets there, what, is it two of his buddies are there? Yeah, bodyguards. Mm-hmm. So now there's three against one. I'm not saying the bodyguards were against, but they were acquiescing.

But they didn't do anything. No. Like this guy. slapping her, apparently slaps her around, right, beats her up a little bit. I'm not sure how much effort it would take to smack around 120-pound woman. So he slaps her around. These guys do nothing. They say nothing.

They don't get involved. Right. Cops get called. Does she call the cops? Or somebody calls a cop. She calls the cops. And here's the thing. A lot of people, oh, look, I understand the bodyguards were not the Good Samaritan.

I mean, there's all sorts of stories of people get. beaten down and the rabbi walks by, the priest, while all the good people don't help out. And we're not even saying these bodyguards are good or bad people. But Florida doesn't have much of a duty on its citizens or non-citizens to get in the middle of somebody's rage. Yeah, no. I'm not saying the ethical thing. I'm not saying they're required to.

No, legally they're not required to. Yeah. But he didn't get the, they didn't jump in with dumbbell. And, you know. My goodness that we know of. Yeah. So she, she gets, she gets, she calls, she gets slapped around. She calls the police, the police show up.

And it, it looks bad, right? She's clearly taken a beating. Right. West gets, he gets, he gets handcuffed, he gets arrested. He gets taken down, down. Now, have we seen the body cam on, is there body cam? There isn't body cam on this yet? I haven't seen the body cam on this.

There's body came of the arrest. Johnny Bravo. Just like the outside. Yeah, Johnny Bravo. He gets a hold of everything. Hats off to, is that guy even in Florida? And somehow he gets everything. I don't know.

He's talent. We have, you know, with public information, you know, with a public information, which is like this. How does he get it so fast? I don't know. A lot of times they don't release stuff, right? Especially, this is still an open case. A lot of times it would be like, it's an open case. We're not giving you anything.

Exactly. He might be screaming media. Like, if you push the media, hey, I'm. Sometimes they'll actually give yourself because you're like, I'm media. That's right. And I want to say after, you know, the incident, she didn't call the cops right away. Like they kind of harbored her in the house and they said the security guard like tape or not tape but glued her forehead. And West said like don't call the cops.

If you call the cops, like it's going to be bad for you and your family. Like kind of like a threat almost. Okay. Yeah. I knew he had threatened the family. I didn't know if it was prior to that or. I want to say it was before she actually. actually reported it, you know? Okay. Yeah. And so it was interesting the charges because he racked up a

bunch of charges. I mean, people are looking at this like, you have to realize she got, he got what's called a felony battery. And the felony battery is not as serious as his first charge with the aggravated battery at the gym. Right. But it's not a domestic battery, which is a misdemeanor. It's in between those two. It's an F3, five years prison max. So the felony battery, what that tells me is that she didn't have the injuries that the gym guy had. She just didn't. Now, she did get cut. I think the report said he kind of slammed her into the table and cut like her forehead

or something. And that's what you said got glued, Colby. I think it got glued together. Somehow they fixed her up like, I don't know, like she was a boxer. Like, I don't know what was going on in that house. And that is an interesting defense issue in terms of. what was really going on in that house? What was that,

was that girl really held captive? Could she really not have escaped, so to speak, for days? I think the police report says there's a body, bodyguard or somebody just waiting by the door so she couldn't get out. I don't know. That is where you start getting into more serious charges, where you get the false imprisonment, not kidnapping, but false imprisonment is still serious. Right. So he's racking up.

And then he's tampering with her phone. So we call that tampering with your, hindering your, well, hindering your ability to communicate with law enforcement. So he took her phone so that she couldn't call 911. Now that's another felony. And then the most serious felony, which nobody sees coming,

but this happens all the time, is the taking of the phone. That's a robbery. So if I just, if it were just her phone on the table, that's like a theft, big deal. But apparently he physically wrangled it from her. Now, we do not, this is not a stretch, folks, because when you think about how girls and guys are now attached to the phone, everybody's looking at their hand, like all day long, it would be a robbery to literally have to pry that from her hand. Now that is his most serious charge with her is the robbery.

The physical taking of that phone is his most serious charge. And he actually scores higher. He's in worse shape on that situation than the gym beatdown. Because all those just keep adding up, right? They just add up on that score sheet. So he's looking at like a minimum of around seven or so on the second charge, on the girl. Yeah. Plus he's still got the first one.

Yeah, no, it's all coming together in a bad way. So he gets arrested, he goes to jail, and they book, I mean, obviously they book him, but he does not get bond. Right. Yep. Well, technically, what really happens is they give him bond and they revoke the original bond. Yeah, that's really what happened.

And we all watch that judge say, don't get in trouble again. I'm revoking your bond if you get in trouble again. And that's all that happened. And he gets in trouble again. He gets in trouble again in the worst way. So he's not getting out on bond again. No. No way.

And what do you think now based on the situation he's in? I've seen worse, far worse domestic situations. I had this gal. I still talk to her to this day, and her name's Melissa, so hi, Melissa. Her man shot her in the face, but lucky for her, it went through. She comes to my office one day, and her mouth is, like, wired shut. I'm like, why is your mouth wired shut? Why do you have this?

She's like, well, he shot me, and it went through my cheek. Lucky for her, like, went through her cheek, right? she got those charges dropped literally dropped shot in the face dropped so when so it went through the mouth yeah like inside cheek and through the cheek yeah okay and she dropped the charges and this is in Florida so you can get very serious charges dropped depending on the situation so yes she was very mad at her man in the beginning. And we thought her man was going to prison. And then, lo and behold, she loves them.

You know the story. But I love it. He's going to kill you. But I love him. You have to press charges. But can't the state can't press charges? The state tried. But Melissa's crafty.

She's been to prison like three times. fraud stuff. So she, she knows those people, those people, you know, not the one time people, but she's three or four times. And bless her heart, she's actually going back in. You know, and bless her heart, she, anyway, that's a long story. But yes, you can even have more, so I'm waiting to see if this girl comes around and starts feeling sorry for them and decides to make herself unavailable. You don't know. With the two cases,

he's not really doing that much more time to have the two cases together. I see if he goes down for both, they're going to run it probably together and give them, say, six or seven years rather than three to five. So on the gym case alone. But I have seen too many of these.

women really upset. I've seen them take to social media and just dog out their man and then all of a sudden, no, I'm not doing it. She, the social media would be, you think a lot of pressure on her to continue. But then there was the other chick. She didn't, I think her name was Valerie. I'm not sure what the first one is. And she did social media against them and then came back. And then came back. You know, he's, there's the problem is he's, he's paying all their bills. Right. And I'm sure you've seen this time and time again. It's like women are, you know, oh, he this and he that and he this. And then they're separated. And suddenly, they get cut off. There's nobody to pay the rent. There's nobody to pay my car payment.

My injury. Bill starts coming due. And they start to realize, like, I can't even feed myself. I got three kids. Like, I can't have this guy go to prison. Like, initially, they're angry and I'll figure it out. And then a month later, they're like, oh, wait a minute. Listen, he said he was sorry. He's not going to do it again. It scared him. Right. I, I, I, and the landlord, I'm being evicted. Right. I need them back. I used to represent, go back before escorts were like online and doing it themselves. I've been doing this for 33 years.

So there was a couple of these pimps that would set the women up in a nice apartment. But what they would never do, they would never buy them anything. The car was a rental. The couch was a rental. The bed was a rental. The TV was a rental. The kitchen table was a rental. And if they acted up, he called the rental company and they came and picked shit up.

And it was over in a heartbeat. Everything was rented. It was kind of a, he thought it was a genius move because it was a tight leash. They didn't own anything. He could just take it back instantly. So maybe there's some of that going on. And we know that, I don't know this girl that got abused by this man, but maybe that money means a lot to her. Maybe that status means a lot to her.

Maybe even Wes means something to her. I don't know. The heart is a funny thing when it comes to this stuff. No, no, I'm sure he can be charming. I haven't seen it. But it's possible. That money is charming. Yeah, yeah, it is.

Yeah, it is. But I will say this. I used to play in some bands and one of my bandmates, he had tattoos everywhere like Wes. And the tattoos are in his favor, too. Yeah. The more you have, for some reason, they're flocking. Yeah, some women, they definitely flock towards that.

Yeah. So it could be that, too. Doesn't have to be charm. Yeah. How long do you think it will be before he gets a resolution on this? Like, because now that he's stuck in prison, is there anything he can do to speed it up? Because I'm sure while he's out, he would try to keep it, you know, push it down the road, push it down the road. But now.

But he's also eating away at his time. He knows no matter what I'm, it's eating away at my time. I'm either doing it my time in the county jail, which sucks, or I'm going to prison, which is in Florida State, it's a little bit better. Not a lot. It's not like if you're locked up and you know you're going to federal prison, I want to get the federal prison as quick as possible. I got to get out of here. Yeah, that's true. I would agree with you.

My clients prefer prison to the county jail. So I know he would want to get out of the county jail. He's been to prison. he knows prison is better than county jail. However, that's a great question, Colby, because I'll tell you what, it's dynamic on the new case. This, some of these women, especially engaged, wishy-washy. You don't know if she's going to be on a high point or a low point.

And if she's high on Wes, let's get this thing resolved, right? Well, the other thing, I have a buddy Josh who suggested he's like, I bet he just pays it off. He's like, I'll bet he gets somebody to go to the lawyer. Somebody goes to her and says, listen, I'll give you $50,000. You make this go away. You'll get $50,000. Right.

And the way that she's going to make it go away is not necessarily that she's going to fly to Sweden and never come back. The way she's going to make it go away is she told the cops a lot of stuff. And a smart lawyer is going to be like, here's the holes in your story, lady. The holes are this, that, and the other. So if Wes was defending himself, because you got in his face and you admit that you got in his face and you admit that X, Y, Z didn't quite happen the way I described it. Because let's face it, she was very emotional and she said some things while she was highly

emotional that are not completely accurate, right? So now you get things more accurate. It's not that I was lying. It's that I want to bring clarity. Right. And so no lies, but I want to bring some clarity. And that clarity could get him off completely. Crushes the state's case.

Absolutely. And I'm waiting for that to drop. That could drop at any moment. And then they're stuck. They really are. And I've had some women in my cases that they're like, they're savvy about this. And they're like, I'll take the time on falling and fall in

police report. Filing false police report is a misdemeanor. I'll say this and if they want to come at me for a misdemeanor, come at me for a misdemeanor. And at least my man's getting out of prison and I'll be well compensated. That's their attitude. Now, is this that girl? She doesn't appear to be that tough to me. No. No. She does not, she's not at the ride or die stage. Even when you see his social media where they're live streaming, like she ain't even paying attention to him. She's like looking at her hand. Everybody around him is like looking at their hand. And so I don't know.

I don't know. It's hard to judge. But you're right. Money talks. Yeah. So, all right. So to wrap this up is we're looking at even with the new case, we're looking at seven? Yeah, I think we are.

Seven years. If everything goes against him, I think he can, I think he should take a five to seven on both. It's not bad. It's not bad. And it's around the minimum, too. That's going to be about the minimum that's going to be allowable. But both cases are kind of shaky. I mean, the state knows I got a woman that could change your mind.

And the state knows I got a dude that drove in from God knows where and plopped down his video camera to record something. These aren't like spectacular cases. The man, West did some things wrong. but I can understand compromise. So he goes to prison, he gets out in Florida. So if he goes for seven, he gets out in five and change. You got to do 85%. And he rebuilds his life, rebuilds all over again.

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You fucking punk bitches. You know, now I'm going to fucking belittle you. As this was recorded, Tiger Woods has just been arrested by. for another DUI. Now, the reports are that there is no alcohol, but substances, he would not do like a urine test. So. So this is crazy that we're doing this and news is coming in. Tiger.

I'm curious. So he got a DUI, but he didn't blow on the breathalyzer. Is it how do you get a DUI just because he fails the test? You can still fail. Yeah. You don't want to do the, like, even if you, even if, I'm sorry, even if you blow and they go, You know, like they still feel like, like they got you to blow because they thought you were going to fucking blow. You blew and it was fine.

Now they're thinking, okay, I still think you're impaired. Right. I just think it's not alcohol now. Right. And this happened to him apparently before. And he blew zeros, which means there was no alcohol, but they found stuff in his urine. And then he ended up getting a reckless driving less time he wrecked. Now, this time, this breaking news, I guess, he, he.

wrecked and he had slurred speech. They said he was a little groggy. So they just thought at 2 p.m. In the afternoon, they thought he was impaired by something. So they asked him to blow. But this is what's unfair to Tiger. Like, you have to remember that law enforcement doesn't get to ask us to blow. The only way they get to ask us to blow is if they think we're impaired.

And they only get to ask us to blow if they think we're impaired by alcohol. So if they think you're just smoking weed, you don't let them blow into the machine. That's for alcohol only. So you've got a suspect cop here that has Tiger now blowing into this machine and Tiger blows zeros. The dude is not drunk. Right. You obviously thought he was. Now you've got to figure out, well, he was.

And this is every cop's go to. Oh, you blew zeros. It must be something else. Well, how about it's the fact that my range rover just got rolled over and I was in an accident on a two-lane road. Like, that could bump you up too a little bit. I don't know. But here's what's interesting about this arrest. He refused the urine.

So this time he's like, you're not getting in my urine. I blew zeros. Isn't that enough? And I think that's a normal reaction for a lot of people. I'm not impaired. Here's my zeros. Can I go now? Oh, no, you can't go now.

we want 100 other things from you. He said, no, that's a crime now. Like, as of a couple months ago, that is a crime. You can't refuse blood, breath, or urine in the state of Florida anymore. And I've been doing this for 33 years. For 32 of these years, you could refuse it. It's just a one-year suspension, big deal, right? He got to, now he's arrested not just potentially for DUI,

but the criminal act of refusing the urine. What's the, what is that? Is it a felony? No, it's a misdemeanor. It's a misdemeanor, but it kind of screws you as Tiger because even if you beat the DUI, so if I were him. You're a criminal. You've got a criminal record.

Yeah, just because you refused. And this law just changed in October of last year. So it's only a couple months old. You should do a video on it. I should. I will do a video on it. That's a video. Soon.

And Tiger does have a year suspension because of this. It's kind of like you mentioned, Colby, why don't you have a deal? driver anyway. Like this makes no sense. Yeah. This guy's got driver money. Yeah, he's got driver money. He's got full-time driver money. Some kid will drive him around for next to nothing. He's like, they do it for nothing. Oh, I think he's got pilot money. So there's really no excuse for not having a driver. Yeah. This guy can do it all. So yeah, it makes no sense to me. We'll see how it shakes out. But if I were this guy's attorney, if I were Tiger's attorney, first thing I do is I'd go get a urine test done myself, right? he bonds out within eight hours of the urine test that he refused i don't blame them for refusing it

but i tell people now with this new crime you can't refuse anymore in florida you have to give urine you have to give blood you have to give breath do they notify do they have to notify you this is a crime by the way you don't okay so he knew so he's right like i'd rather i'd rather take a i'd rather have a criminal record than give you what's in who knows if he was thinking well give you what's in my system Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. But the problem, just the legal side of this is the government can get in trouble. These cops can get in trouble when they're like, you're drunk, you're drunk, blow into the alcohol machine, alcohol machine, alcohol, and then you blow zeros. Well, you don't get to ask for urine just because they blew zeros.

And that's what they always do. Every single case that somebody blows a zero, they're just like, oh, it must be something. else. And the courts will clamp down on that and say, no, the government doesn't just to keep pulling bodily fluids from you just because they got it wrong. They got a chance to get it right. They blew it. And maybe the refusal case gets thrown out. Maybe the whole thing gets thrown out. Did you see, speaking of, this actually makes me mad. I never get mad about when I watch these videos. I really, I think I mentioned it the last time, like the entertainment that I get, from watching people.

Somebody goes to, you know, hey, I roll your window down, give me your license. And they're like, what did you pull me over for? What was the reason? I don't have to give you my license or, or they put the license to the door. I feel uncomfortable. Okay, sir, you're going to have to get out of the car. Yeah. And they're like, no, no, get a supervisor.

And then 10 minutes later, they're smashing in the window and dragging the woman or man out of the car. And it's like, you were going to get it. This guy's, you don't have a warrant. Right. You were speeding. You just turn this into a felony. Like, they're yanking you out of the, like, you just, you could have just, or I love the one where the chick, he gives her the thing. I'm not signing.

He's like, you're not going to sign. Okay, well, here's the, well, I don't want that. Well, I have to give it to you. Give it to it, throws it back out. He's like, okay, now you've littered. Boom, starts. And he's like, now, like, what do you do? Like, I've given you, he's more than patient.

You're just seeing an opportunity to be a complete asshole to somebody who's just got to take it. And so you, and they really shows your character, right? Like, this is a cop who just has to take this abuse and they're just taking the abuse and then you throw the thing. And then she immediately, no, I didn't throw it. No, it's on body camera. You threw it. I saw you throw. Everybody saw you throw it.

And then it's like, no, now, now, now you're going to act like a fucking small child while they handcuff you, put you on the ground. You're just going to be a complete asshole. And you've turned this into a felony. Right. And what did you do? You could have fought the case. you could have, you could have paid the $300. I mean, what are you doing?

Guess what? You don't even, if they give you 30 or 60 days to pay it, guess what? If you don't have the money, you know what you do? You say, hey, can I get another 60 days? They go, sure, no problem. They give me another 60 days. Hey, can I get another? Sure, they'll keep doing it several times.

Like, what are you doing? But anyway, I do love those videos, but this one got, bothered me the other day. This guy gets pulled over. Right. By a female cop. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it. It gets pulled over.

He's, hard hat, vest, the whole thing. Coming home from work, been working 10 hours. And, you know, what are he speeding for? Oh, no, no, I'm just, you know, whatever the reason was he pulled up. Oh, I'm sorry, I just, he's like, I'm just trying to get home. He's like, it's my daughter's graduation.

Just want to get home, take a shower real quick. And, and she's like, okay, well, I, you seem nervous. You seem this. Have you seen this one? No, but I've seen everything like this. And he's like, she's like, uh, I, can you get out of the vehicle? He's like, okay, well, I, I'm just, I'm in a hurry.

I mean, you just give me the ticket. No, no, just get out of the vehicle. Okay, so gets out of the vehicle. Okay, what's that? You seem like, you know, something's wrong. Yeah, I know, I'm just in a hurry. It's my daughter's graduation. I'm telling you, like, and it is graduation.

Right. It's not like you're saying it in the middle of fucking, it's December. Like, this is graduation. This is my, she's graduating from high school or college or whatever it was. It's like, and the cop is just, she's just not accepting it. And then she says, I want you to blow. And, no, first I think he, walks or something.

She has him to do the test. Whatever it is, he blows. It's perfectly fine. Right. And he's like, okay, I've done everything you've said. I passed the test. I blew the thing. I'm good.

I want to go. More cops come up. She's continuing to push this. I'm going to put you under arrest. And he's like, for what? He's not being an asshole at all. Right. She, he is, by the way, at this point, when they cuff him and they're going to arrest him,

he's crying. He is a 45-year-old man who wants to see his daughter graduate high school, and he is bawling his eyes out saying, please let me just go to graduate. Oh, my gosh. This is my daughter. This is takes him down to him. Misses the fucking graduate. I mean, this is, you have, you could have done the right thing here. By the way, gets downtown, does everything.

Nothing's in a system. Right. There's nothing wrong with this man. Right. do you know there is a epidemic of cops that are arresting people for DUIs that have nothing in their system? Nothing. And you know what they'll say to me after a zero blow and nothing in the urine? They're like, well, the urine test only tests for these things.

It must have been something that we can't test for. That's how delusional. The cops are. Yeah. It's delusional. cops that are just notorious. Look, they just get it wrong a lot. And I don't know why they're, why they're so bad at it, why they don't get pulled from

their job. Yeah. It, those are sad stories. Because there's, you know, why? Because there's, there's no recourse for the person that got, yeah, no accountability. There's nothing that this person can do that, that's, that's been handcuffed, arrested, brought down, processed, let go, bonded out. The whole, whatever the whole fucking thing.

is this whole disruption in their life, lost their, you know, missed their fucking job, missed picking up their kids from school, missed all these things because some cop just wants to be a dick or is just improperly trained or whatever the reason is. Yeah. I'm always amazed to see so many zero blows, so many, there's nothing in the urine. And yet their response is, well, it must have not, must have been something that we can't detect. There's all new drugs every day.

no, you're just wrong. They can't accept that they're wrong on these. And, you know, DUI is a crime of opinion. It is just an opinion case. That's all it is. And their opinions are wrong a lot. That sucked. That would have sucked.

So I'm going to tell you a story, which is funny. It's not a funny story. But it is a funny story. All right. My buddy, Zach, have I mentioned to you about my buddy, Zach? This is a guy that I was locked up in prison with. Yeah. I did a little bit about a guy in prison.

Yeah, we both got out basically at the same time. Like, I literally got out four months, five months before him. Right. And so we end up, and this is how much, listen to how small the world is. I sold a painting to a guy. Because when I first got out, I was living in a rooming house, and I'm selling paintings to make ends meet. So I'm selling paintings. And this guy that I sold a painting to him.

calls me up. And he says, hey, man. He goes, do you know a guy named Isaac Allen? And I go, yeah, Zach, my buddy. I said, yeah, Zach, he said, listen to this. He said, I'm visiting my best friend who's a black guy. And this is a white guy. I only mentioned that because this guy was a white guy. And I, I'm visiting him. And he introduces me to his brother. I said, okay. He said, And he tells me his brother is there. He just got there on an ankle monitor, right? He's there staying at the house. He's like, oh, and then he just got led out of federal prison.

And I said, I know a guy who is in federal prison. And he said, yeah. He said, where were you? He said, oh, I just got released from whatever it was, Lexington or Beaumont or something. And he's like, oh, no, this guy was in Coleman. He's, oh, I was in Coleman. What's his name? His name's Matt Cox.

He goes, what? And keep in mind when Zach. and I used to talk. I had 26 years. Zach had 16. He's getting out 10 years before me. We both got sentenced roughly at the same time.

And so he's like, first of all, so he's already thinking he shouldn't even be out of prison. When we used to walk around, he remember one time he said, man, I had the weirdest dream last night. He said, you were calling me on the phone and I was hitting five

to accept the call. And it would not. He was the weirdest thing. And I go, how come in your dreams I'm always locked up? And he goes, we got 26 years. He is, let's face it. He said, you're going to be locked up. You're going to call me on the, he's, you're going to be calling me from prison.

And it was just like, oh, this is crushing. He didn't know how devious I was. Right. So. And I got out before him. Yeah. Just to spite him. Yeah.

Not to get out. So it was my only reason. Yeah. So anyway, so he's gotten out. And since he's been out. he's gone back to prison twice. What? For fraud.

He's continued to commit fraud. So he's committed fraud, went back to prison, did a year, maybe 14 months. I'm putting money on his books the whole time, gets out, starts over. He's out six months. Colby, maybe eight, six or eight months. Gets locked up again. That's about a year and change ago. Yeah, gets up, gets locked up again and just pled guilty.

So here's the problem with the second one. The first one, he got it lowered to a misdemeanor. Okay. Lucky. So when, so, so it didn't, it didn't trigger his, a violation, violation, right? Like, there's a technical violation, which means you get placed back on probation. That's it. Right.

So he's placed right back on federal probation. Because the fear, his fear is, of course, always getting a new felony. Right. Will send him back to prison. Right. For on, not based on that felony in the, in the state, based on the fact. that you got a felony while on probation. And literally, by the way, he was about two months away from being off.

Oh, gosh. And so he couldn't wait. Couldn't do it. Well, he had actually, this was something that had happened a year or two. Like, it was so far back that they never got him for that they actually had them on like 16 or 17 charges. They dropped. Satchel limitations was up on almost everything except for like one or two of them.

And in the end, they said, he was like, oh, I'm going to trial. I'll go to trial. I'll go to trial. Because thinking they'll bring it back to a misdemeanor. and finally they got to a point where he had to accept the felony or go to trial and he just wasn't going to do it. So he goes straight to federal prison. I'm sorry, he goes straight into the feds, federal holding.

And the whole time he's been saying, I score out at 24 months. And he said, I, he said, my fear is. Now, part of the reason, by the way, that he was willing to accept, let's say, let's say, felony because he knew I'll take the felony. I'll go back for 24 months. Right. Because his judge has retired. And his judge hates his guts. Oh. I mean, hates him. Like everybody says that. My judge hates me. But this is real. This is real. Sometimes it's real. It's real. Judges are human. They have hate. Well, and here's the thing. And I've explained this to Zach. And Zach's been like, yeah, I see that. Zach has committed fraud forever. Right. Forever.

it goes for a year, gets out, goes for three years, gets out, goes for a year, gets out. Just back and forth, back, very good at work in the system. But the last time when I met him, he was doing 16 years because it was a federal case, right? Like the state, fraud, okay, we have bigger problems to solve, right? We've got major issues. So, okay, you'll do a year, you'll do two years, you'll do eight months, no big deal. And so anyway, he gets, he's back in the federal system and he's like, well, he's like, My fear is because his judge is retired, but, you know, they stay on advisory status.

So they advise. Don't tell me he came back. They can come back. Oh, no. So he gets this federal public defender. Public defender's like, listen, you've got Judge Young. Judge Young is very hard. He goes, okay, but it's not Whittimore, is it?

It's not Judge Whitamore. It's like, he's like, no, no. They said he's on advisory, but he's retired. Like, he's not your judge. He's just already been assigned. You're in court this, courtroom this on Tuesday. he goes, okay, cool. Because my range is, it's 24 months.

Right. Give him the max they could give him is 36, but he doesn't even fall at 36. Right. Okay. He's like, that's not my range. It's 24. Okay.

So then Monday comes and then he gets an email from his lawyer who says, listen, they've moved it till to Thursday. He's, wait a minute. Did they change the judge? He goes, no, it's still Judge Young. It's just been, there's conflict. No big, okay, no problem. So he goes.

And, okay. So Friday I get, was it Friday or Monday? Monday I get a phone call from him. And I go, hey, man, what's going on? He said, oh, God, bro. Oh, oh. He says, he starts laughing. He's, oh, my God.

He said, I'm going in front of Judge Young, right? So I got him handcuffed. They walk in me in. I walk in the courtroom. I look up. He says, fucking Wittemort. Oh, my gosh. No.

And he's laughing. And I'm like, oh my God, bro, I'm so sorry. What happened? We have a mutual friend named six and six kept all six. Six is useless. All he says in the text. I'm like, hey, what happened? He's like, he got bam, bro.

What does that mean? He got banned. Oh, Judge Bammed him. The judge banned. Was it the same judge? Bro, I know. He just got bammed. I said he was supposed to get 24 months.

He goes, Judge banned him. He's going to get out, but he gets out next year. Well, if he had gotten Jung, if he got the 24 months, he was getting out in October. Right. So I know it's worse than. Yeah. So I'm talking, I go, what happened? He's, I walk in, I look up, it's him.

And I just, he said, he looks at me. He shakes his head. He said, I look at him and I just shake my, look at the ground, shape my, I'm just like, oh, my God. Because I sit down. He is, he abuses me for, or berates me or whatever. He's like for several minutes, fucking five or ten minutes, you know, they, that everybody, it's bad. It's bad.

Right. He said, and he looks at it. and he says, you know, I'm, there's no reason for me to be shocked that you're here. Right. He said, I mean, because let's face it, a fisherman's going to fish, a hunter's going to hunt, and you, Mr. Allen, are going to commit fraud. Right. And that is why I am giving you 36 months.

Right. And he's like, like, the absolute max that I can give you. Right. where you don't really have much of a chance of appealing it. Like, if I given you 37 months. Yeah. And so Zach was like, he said, I just, you know, and I'm like, I mean, he's got a point. Like, let's say, you're fucking dumbass.

Like, he's like, I don't, please don't, you know. Right, right. Not now. So, yeah, he got him, he got, so he's like, I'm not going to ask you for money. I said, okay. Why? He said, because they're going to move me within a week or so, because the last guy got moved within a few days or a week,

and they're going to move me, and I'll be at the new place. When I get there, if you could just send me enough money to get, you know, maybe a tablet. I'm like, oh, God. Here it goes. I have had several Zaks in my run here. Okay. And what I don't know if Zach is in the same boat, so you tell me, but what I find when it comes to fraud is there is a lack of creativity on the repeat offenses.

Because I keep thinking, like, well, why did you just do the same shit that you got caught doing before? Like, there's other types of fraud. There's other things going on in the world. But you are literally just doing stupid shit again and again and again. And that's, you know, we don't want to encourage people to do these things. But like, I at least want to encourage, like, do something else. Switch it up. Switch it up a little.

Like, you know, you have to know, deep down inside. that you're going to get caught. Like, you just have to know. Listen, Zach, here's what bothers me is that the new frauds are so stupid. Like, literally, he got out of prison. He's like, I needed money. He immediately calls one of his old fraud buddies.

That guy is cashing COVID checks. Not cashing, sorry. He's doing COVID checks. So they're making COVID checks. They're government checks. Yeah. And they're going to people and saying, do you have a bank count?

Yes, I do. Okay. I'm going to give you three. COVID checks. Right. You give me two of them. You keep one. Whatever it is.

Like, or I'm going to give you four. You, they're good. They'll clear immediately. You give me two of them. Okay, I understand that, but it's going to take in a few months from now, the bank's going to figure out they're not good. Right. And they'll reverse it.

And Zach was like, I was broke. I had no money. I needed money immediately. And he also said that he'd been doing this for the last year. Right. And nobody had been arrested. But he's like, I think that because they're government checks, they're just cashing these things outright and they're not auditing anybody. And so he believed that.

And I could almost believe that about the government. Yes, you could rip them off and just. Right. Like the tax fraud, people that I know from tax fraud that have done, did it for, and like three years later, like, you're telling me you, you filed a false tax return and got $9,000 in the interest. I knew a guy who had done it for six years. And literally for six years, he had a brilliant scam, actually. He had set up corporations in his grandmother's name, who was deceased. Oh.

And then he had filed with the government saying that the corporation had paid him. One time he did it for like 200,000 and that the IRS owed him a tax refund of like 30 grand. And he got it. And so if you think about it, the government, they report, the corporation reported, this guy worked for us, we paid him 200 grand. We withheld, we withheld, you know, $40,000 in tax withholdings. He then gets, has a W2 and he files and says they withhold, you know, $40,000. They sent me the notice here. I'm fine. Yeah. And you guys owe me $21, and the government, or 30 grand, whatever, they pay it. Six years in a row. Right. Wow. Not in a row. He stopped for one year. So what happened, no, no, the next year. he does it. So what the government thinks is you did work for them. They just didn't pay us the money they owe us.

So it's the corporation that's a problem. Right. So he had done this. So then he goes back. And because it worked the first time, he does it and he says, hey, I'm, I did it.

And by the way, this is a part that really the stupid, the crime's brilliant, except for the fact that you're doing it in your name. Like you couldn't, you couldn't figure out to get a fake ID. Go get a homeless fucking person to do it for Christ. But he,

but he was like, but it had worked. He's like, and the next year they didn't come back. So he did it again. And he got, and this time he said I made $900,000, W2, $900,000. And you guys owe me $200,000 and they gave him $200,000 and some of that. Then the next year he does it, he gets a check for like fucking $400,000. I think he's a one point five. It's outrageous.

He just adds zeros from. Then he stops. He gets scared. He is a stop. Okay. So then he did it. He waited a year or two years, what a year or two. And then he does it another year and another year and I think another year.

So it had all that, there was like six years. It's like three years. And then a couple of years he didn't do it. And then he did it for three years. And then he told a buddy of his what he was doing. He helped his buddy set it up. And his buddy immediately, like when he got the check, like went and bought something ridiculous, like pulled out a bunch of cash or bought like an RV or something for a 300

or grant or something. Whatever it was. It made the bank think something was wrong and they filed a suspicious activity before they looked into it and somehow know that they arrest his buddy. His buddy immediately says, this guy's the one who taught me. He's done it for six or seven years. But here's the thing. Because of the break, they didn't get him for all the time.

Right. They only got him for the three years. And the three years was instead of it being, you know, five million dollars or something, it was only like two point whatever million. What did he do on time for that? Like three years. That's not bad for two mill. And he had my judge.

And he remembered the judge telling him, you're lucky that you don't have the $5 million that he said, because you had the break, we can't get, they can't charge you for the, so you're not getting the restitution for the extra $3 million or $2 million that you should be, but I am giving you the high end of the guideline.

So whatever it was. So, but yeah, he was furious about that. You know, one of these guys that they steal like fucking $5 million and then they got to do two years and they're complaining about it. He could have given me probation.

Like, shut the, shut up. Yeah, you got millions? You can't earn that in two years. Come on. No. But so Zach had a crime. Zach's original crime that he went to federal prison was. And I give it the short version.

There were lots of them. Right. The original version of his crime was something that he called wasn't me. Listen to this. He was able to make, he had a friend that was able to make, that was able to make, he had a thermal printer, he was able to make IDs, Florida IDs.

Okay, all right. Now, what Zach did was Zach would, he had different ways he'd get people. My favorite part of it was, way he would do it, is he would go and sit in, in the courtroom for first appearance.

And he said, they read their resume. Your Honor, this guy's here for, you know, robbing banks or robbing convenience store, 7-Eleven. This guy, this guy is here for cars. This guy is here for check fraud and, you know, credit card fraud. He's had three different things. And today we got him for check fraud.

And he'd be like, okay, this guy's number. He'd write it down. And then if he didn't get a bond, he said, I'd write him a letter and say, hey, I can bond you out. If I put my 50 bucks on his books, call me. The guy would call, and on the phone, he would explain what he was doing. He's like, I'm running a scam. I need help. I can bond you out.

You're going to bond me out? He goes, yeah, he goes, yeah, I'll bond you out right now. He said, I'm going to leave a phone for you in your property. So I don't know if you know this, but you can go into the sheriff's office and leave stuff in people's property. Yes. You can say, hey, my husband, he would have his wife do it. She'd say, my husband's going to get out.

He doesn't have a cell phone. He has no way to get in contact with this. This is a cell phone. Can you leave this and this note for him? And they go, yeah, yeah, they stick it in there. So when the guy, he'd bond the guy out, he said I had to bond three people out for one guy to end up being okay. Because my love is just bolt. Okay.

Or they decide, fuck you. Like I didn't think you bonded me out. But I'm there. These are drug addicts or whatever. They're off there on the run. He says, and it's nothing. You know, these guys bonds are nothing. It's a few, it's $5,000.

It's a cost of doing business. Right. Right. And when, so, but when he would get somebody, they would get the phone and they'd call. They've never met Zach so far. They'd call. And they'd say. hey, what's up? He'd go, listen, do you need anything? I can get you a motel room. I can get you

whatever you need. Yeah, I need a place to stay. Great. Give them a place to stay. Great. Here's what I need you to do. I need you to take a photograph of yourself. I need to email it to me. They take a photograph. They'd make an ID stolen information. I'm going to take you, typically he took three people at a time. He'd buy them tickets and he'd fly them to another state. Put them in one of these weekly rental. Right. Right. And there would be three guys. They're going to share it.

So they go there. He gets them a rental car. This is a significant amount of money for a fraud. But listen to the fraud. What a joke this is. Gets the three guys. Each guy has three different IDs. Each guy goes to three different banks with each ID.

So each guy gets nine bank accounts. Right? Each guy gets. Yeah. So you have, you have nine bank. Okay. Each guy can you can open up. Now.

You can get three. three accounts using one ID. So I can go to Bank of America, Wachovia, SunTrust, and get it. And then after that, they don't want to open you an account. So now he's got, each guy's got nine. So that's 27. 27 accounts just on this fly into some area. He then wires them the money or wires money into the account. He said, because I realized after about the second trip, I could not let these guys have the money. He said, I couldn't even give them a cashier's check in the name of the person he's opened the account. Right.

So I wire the money in. Once the money's in the account, he said, I have, he said, I then, I wired it in. He'd leave it for a couple of days until they got their debit card. Right. When they get the debit card, they would swipe the debit card with a reader writer. They swipe it, and they'd mail the reader writer back to Zach in Florida. So they're in Ohio, let's say. Wow, this is a lot of work.

It is, it is, but he wired, he wires about 10,000 in each account. Let's say, let's say 10,500, whatever. Right. And they swipe the card, so he's got the reader writer. He then writes it on another card, gets a piece of plastic, whatever. You know, they use his gift cards, whatever. So he uses it. He then would go into, he'd go into a post office.

and he'd say, hey, I need to get $10, $1,000 money orders. And they'd go, okay, and there's a point of sale machine. They'd go, okay, swipe your card, put your pin number in. He'd swipe his card, put the pin number in. And they'd give them $10, $1,000 money orders. He'd take the money orders. He'd go and deposit those into a bank account. His own clean account.

Yeah. Yeah. So then he'd call these guys and say, hey, I need you to go into Bank of America. Okay, the guy walks in a Bank of America, walks in, goes up to the counter and says, hey, I need $600. And they go, okay, hold, all right. Do you have your debit card? Yeah, okay.

Do you have your, all right? I'm sorry, you only have $400. Right. Four hundred. I got over $10 grand of this account. What are you talking about? They go, no, no, you just had $10,000 removed from your account. From when?

45 minutes ago. Where? Oh. In Florida, the U.S. government removed the post office? Did you go to the post office? Post office? That's so weird. You know what?

You need to talk to Sally. So they get Sally, the bank manager. She looks it up and he's like, what is going on? I have over $10,000 in that account. I just had it wired there a couple days ago. And they go, they go, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. You've got $482 now. What are you talking?

That's just, what is it? They go, do you have your debit card? No, here's my debit card. They go, oh, my God, well, you only had one debit. That's crazy. This is in Florida, 45 minutes. And they go, listen, I'm sorry. They get on the phone.

They called. They fell out a report. And they go, we're going to put the money back in your account. It'll be back in your account tonight. Oh, my gosh. The federal electronic transfer act says that they have to return your money within 24 hours of it being taken. Or are you noticing it?

Because you could technically wait a month or two and then say, wait a minute, there's $2,000 and they have to put it back. Now, they can launch an investigation. Right. But they only have something like 72 hours to launch an investigation. But for 10 grand, they're not going to. So what do you do? Then he pulled out the other 10 grand?

As soon as he said, oh, I'd be monitoring the fucking thing. He's like, I can't let them have the money back. He said, go back, boom. He goes, I've got access online. He wires the money back out to a corporate account. He's like, and then, of course, I just get some money orders and whatever, cashier's checks. And I deposited my other account. And it's gone.

And I was like, can't they track that? he goes, they never did. Yeah. So keep mind, these guys, each one of these guys, this is like, this is like, this is $200 and some odd thousand dollars every trip. Now he, they gave, they got a third. Right. Because he said, well, a third goes just to planning the trip and put it in that, I'm like,

what? He's like, they don't know. These guys are idiots. He said every one of these guys, he said, no guy was ever good for more than two trips. Really? Yeah, because they're drug addicts. He's like, they're drug addicts.

He's, or you give them money. Like, he's the next thing that they bought two or three. cars. He said, like, you'd give them, like, this guy just got a, this guy just got 30 grand. Right. I just give you 30 grand. And he's like, the guy literally, the phone would be shut off two weeks later. And then they'd be calling me a month later asking for money. Oh, my gosh. He said if, and he said, sometimes they'd send him on a trip and he goes, they'd get arrested.

Oh, no. Or he's because I'm off. They're looking for drugs. Right. They sell the car. They'd sell the car. Oh, my gosh. The embassy suites would call and say, listen, because they think it's a corporation for a corporate. They think it's like a corporate rental for employees.

They're like, listen, your employees, you've got one of your employees that the cops are here. He was walking around naked in the parking. Oh, he said, there's a nightmare. And so what he would do is he just pulled the chip out of the phone and said, we just lost them. We just lost a group. We just lost a group. Oh, geez. That is why he ends up going to federal prison for that.

Right. And that's what I mean. So this went on for a... And he got 16 years. Yes. This went on for a while, by the way. This went on for a year or so. I just always thought...

Keep mind, what can these guys say? Right. The guy's name is Zach. Here's his phone number. Well, that phone nobody answers. You've never seen him? Nope. Oh, wow.

Nope. How did you get in contact with you? He left me a phone. Where? When I picked up my stuff, when I picked up my property, when I got out of jail. He bonded me out. Why did he bond you out? he bonded me out.

The phone I called. I've never seen him. I've never, he lost a bunch of people. People got arrested, people, not because he said, not because of my stuff,

but because these guys were just knuckleheads. Wow. So that's not bad. It's a brilliant scheme. And then when he gets out of prison, he gets arrested for COVID checks. Yeah. You know?

And so. Quick and easy. Quick and easy. Stupid. You know, desperate, desperate. Right.

I get it. You're desperate. But I, to me, You're depositing these checks in your own account or you're just doing something. He's like, well, I was desperate. You don't understand. I'm like, I mean, I do understand.

I was desperate too. Right. But he also did things that I see these guys that get to the halfway house. I got seven months halfway house. Zach got like, I think, almost like eight months or a year. He got a lot of halfway house, I think. Right. If I remember correctly.

And as soon as he got in, he immediately wanted to go to his brother's house. Right. Now, here's the thing. I very quickly realized and this was back when they took 30% they don't do that anymore they used to take 30% of your gross and everybody was

man these motherfuckers are taking 30% that's bullshit I said wait a minute you're telling me that you think that your bills are gonna come to less than that because I'm here to save money I didn't come here to hang out with my buddies or my girlfriend

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Because I knew it's going to, your brother's going to charge your money. It's going to cost you money to eat. I can't eat. The food they were giving us was free. Everything's free. All three meals a day, free. And if you leave, guess what? If you leave and go to work, they give you a bag lunch.

Free. It's free. Wow. Yeah. Oh, fucking bologna sandwich. Fuck that. I don't give a fuck that it's a bologna sandwich. It's going to sustain me through the day until I can get back to eat dinner.

You're going to burn through money if you've got to buy a couple meals every day. Every day. That's a lot of money. Yeah. That's a lot of money. That's going to be at least $30. And you're not making tons of money to begin with. No.

You're going to burn through all that. Yeah. You're working shitty jobs. So, yeah, I say there as long as I could. He immediately wants to go home. He immediately wants to do this. He immediately. It's like what you.

He's been locked up for, he was locked up over just over 13 years. He's locked up. Like, what are you doing? Yeah. He's fucking your knucklehead. But so, yeah, that's where he's, he's about to go to prison. And that's, but I thought you'd, oh, but I thought you'd enjoy the quote of a fisherman's going to fish. Yeah.

I thought that was. Yeah. And he did too. He said, it was pretty good. It was pretty good. And I told, I told Jess, I said, you don't understand that from now on when he gets out and says anything. I may be like, well, you know, a fisherman's going to fish. You know what I'm saying?

And he's going to be like, she's like, it's a motherfucker. That's great. You need to get, you need to pull the transcript of it and frame it for him. Oh, I'm going to be mean to him for the rest of it. I'm going to be so mean. Yeah. Colby, Colby likes him. Everybody loves him.

Everybody loves him. So what I'm going to do is, is, but this will probably be out before that. But I don't know if he's going to be. Yeah, this will be out. I want people to, if you want to send him money, because here's the thing, every time I mention him that he's in jail, guys are like, where's he at, bro? I want to send him and put money on his commissary. Because listen, I've been carrying him. Right. I get the phone call, man, can you send me $300? I'm so sorry, Matt. I mean, I feel bad. It's like, it's just soft. Don't do all that. Now if you can crowd fund them. I mean, you have a million followers. So I, there's got to be. Listen, if it was 20, 30 bucks. He's been a regular guest on the show. And he's got a, like, a little fan base that people love. Right. Listen, it's even, it's worse. He went and started a chant. We had him start a channel. It got monetized in 30 days. Wow. How fucking hard that is. Yeah. And he was making three, four, five hundred bucks a month within the first few months. Wow. And then he stopped. He stopped interviewing people. He gave me some excuses. Oh, you know, they don't call back. And then I call the guy.

Ro, are you calling the guy back? I mean, you're saying, no, I've called them three times. I texted him. I'm like, Zach, he said that, oh, no, okay, well, I didn't get him. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll. call him right and it's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? He's working at Wawa. You're working at Wawa. You want to work at Wawa? You're hustling for him. Right. I can't want your success more than you. No. That's that stupidity. But, oh, listen, but then he went to jail and every time with the conversation, but when I get out, I'm just going to make YouTube videos. I'm going to, I'm like, yeah, okay, you're in the bargaining stage. I do anything to just be at home with the fucking, with the lap, and doing Zooms right now.

If I could just do remote podcasts, like I, I'm like, yeah, I know, I know. But you and I both know that there is a level of sincerity and what's being said. At that moment, I do believe that. But there's like honesty and then there's sincerity. Like there is sincerity, but they're not being honest with themselves because as soon as they're out, their discipline isn't there. Yeah. I know that.

I know that. And I also know that his, I also know that his, his. his lack of effort on the part on the part of the YouTube channel. Right. And is when he genuinely, when people, and I know because I feel the same way, when people start telling me how great I am and how wonderful I am and how amazing. Listen, I feel sick to my stomach. It's they think, you would think, oh, I want, you would want to hear that, right?

That's good. I'm trying to give you, good for you, Matt, but the truth is, you know, I don't feel like I deserve it. Right. And I remember so I was on the phone with him. And because I'm so aware of, you know, because, listen, being narcissistic, right, you know, it comes from a deep, deep sense of insecurity, right? So when I call him up on the phone, I'm talking on the phone and he's like, no, I'm serious, I'm serious. I said, I don't know why you don't. I said, well, the truth is I said, I do know why.

I do know why. And, you know, he goes, well, what do you mean? Why? I said because deep down I said you don't really believe that you deserve success and you don't think you're worth these people's admiration. Oh. And listen, total crack in his voice. Right. And he was like, I got to go, bro.

I got to go. And hung up the phone. Right. Just. And then the next time he called back, he was like, I'm sorry about I had to get off the phone. I was like, stop, man. You didn't have to get off the phone real quick. Like I was like, come on, man.

And I, you know, I get it because I, I feel the exact same way. But that's the truth is that he gets, he feels like all he can do is commit fraud. Like, this is the only way I'm going to survive. I'm just going to commit fraud. I'm not worthy of anything better than this. Right. And I totally understand that. Right.

It makes total sense to me. Unfortunately, it doesn't help that it makes sense. Right. It's still there. What do you, do you think you're happier, like your base happiness is greater? in these last six years than they've been at other times of your life because I had a friend, neighbor,

known for years, who's doctor, did some things he shouldn't have done and won't go into it. He did 10 years, federal. He's the happiest guy I know now that he's out.

He lives in a house with seven guys. It's like no circumstances that you and I would even want to live in right now. But he is, for the last two years, he's peak happiness. Does that, do you feel like your freedom gives you some peak happiness or is that just only my friend? No, I think, yeah, I definitely, I mean, I, I definitely am happier now than I've,

than I've probably ever been, you know, than I. It's like a good reset. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, it is. It's, you know, you're humble and appreciative and I'm so appreciative of just everything. He is too. And listen, you could cut me off and I lock up the brakes and spill my soda. in the car and swerve and I'm just like, damn, that fuck, I almost hit me.

I almost hit that guy. I almost, I never, even for a second, I'm like, fuck. Yeah. I don't think you, motherfucker, that never. Like the road, like, I'm supposed to be in prison right now. Yeah. And it's true. I'm like, I'm like, like, everything.

Anything bad that happens, I'm like, listen, this is all a gift. Like, this is a blessing that I hear. That's the way he feels. Yeah. And I do, I enjoy, I enjoy little things. I, things that I would have never thought of before. Nothing of a bad bothers me. When I see other people get bothered them, I'm like, hey, what are you doing?

What does it matter? Yeah. Relax. It really is a nice perspective. And it's a, it is like a gratitude. Yeah. Gratitude that you don't see, you didn't see before that sentence. And now you're grateful for those things that you were not before.

Yeah. I see it a lot. It's amazing. I'll get to where I started it. And I'll catch myself. And then I'm like, bro, bro, bro, what are you doing? Yeah.

What are you doing? That is not important. That does not matter. That is irrelevant. You are lucky to be. Right. And I will not say that that happens to everybody. I know.

But when it happens, I think it is also, I think it is also a sign that you don't go back to. Yeah. Because I know that your friend, Zach, Probably has similar gratitude, but it's a different mindset in terms of, I'm happy to be out. Now I'm going to go F around, you know?

So, but my friend, he is, not that I make fun of him, but I'm like, dude, you are the happiest dude for years now. You are maximum happy. And, you know, he was a doctor. He went all the way down. They took everything from him. After everything's taken from him, he's the happiest dude, you'll know. Yeah.

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