Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What Actually Happens When You Get Arrested...

Episode Date: July 14, 2024

What Actually Happens When You Get Arrested...

Yeah, so the bank, when the bank opens, I'm there with two cops, walking in with two cops. Do you imagine how does that feel? Lousy. In somebody else's name. Today we're going to talk about a topic that Zach picked, which was multiple arrests. And what it's like. I don't think that's the topic I've lived. Is it about, is it, are you going to talk about like, are we talking about like our different arrests or just going to the prejudice, funny arrest?

Or, because I've got like three. Well, any of them funny? I mean... I mean, no, none of them felt funny. Like, even looking back, they didn't feel funny. No, at the time, no arrest is funny. But then, like, eventually you look back and you go, that, that was kind of funny. You know what?

Yeah. You know, the police officer's reaction, kind of like, yeah, whatever, whatever. Well, yeah, so you want to just go over that and go over the whole process or just... Yeah, we can do that. All right. You start, I'll follow your lead. Go ahead. All right.

So, multiple... Multiple arrests, of course, most of all my, a lot of my life, let's say that, or at least my 30s. So one arrest happened to my wife and I did when we were partners in crime. We used to come down to Florida all the time and we, what we do is we would book a hotel room for ourselves and kind of say, hey, this is Matt and I want to pay for a hotel room for Zach and his wife. so I'd call the hotel and the hotel said yeah we'll let you do that here's what you have to do you have to fax us a copy of the front and back of your

ID and the front and back of your credit card. Right. So once they did that I'm like so I get all these card numbers all I do is get a fake ID fax the front and back of that and put a credit card on what is it what is that called

the program where you people make driver's licenses and things Pro shop, not pro shop. Photoshop? Photoshop. There. Thank you.

Help me out. So go on Photoshop, create a credit card, MasterCard Visa. So now I can book a hotel room with somebody else's credit card. They don't even know it. All I need is the number.

Right. So I do the Photoshop thing and I fax it over to the hotel. So you do that and generally what happens is the reason I felt that was safe is because the hotel authorizes the card for the stay.

So when you get there, they don't actually charge the card they're just doing authorization. Right. And then when you leave is when they charge the card. By then, you've already had to use the services. Yes, and you're gone. And everything, right.

So that's what I normally did. So we would come down to Florida and we'd stay at the, I think it was the Hilton on the causeway. And we'd use somebody else's card. So we did that once and then we'd do it again using somebody else's card. Then we'd do it again using somebody else's card because my wife really loved that hotel. So we'd stay there all the time. Get the same room, the staff knew us and everything. So after about the fifth trip

This is the over cocky Yes On about the fifth trip I guess they were waiting on us So we booked the room Use somebody else's card And went up to the room So we went there and the people greeted us like normal

So obviously they didn't tell the staff members downstairs Right The police kind of kept it to themselves So we go up So we're greeting the staff down there we're hugging everybody like we normally do we got to your same room and everything so we go up up to the room the check in so we walk in the room and there was always an adjoining room to the to that the same room we stayed in it was in a joining room so we walk in and dude comes out of the adjoining room

and just walks in so I'm looking at him I'm like like just like this white guy stocky I said hey hey come on in don't let the fact that the door was closed slow you down from walking in in our frigging room. Who the hell do you think you are? Right? He doesn't say anything. He just keeps walking, right? Until I grab him.

And that's when he's like, hey, that's when they grabbed me and throw me up against the wall and announce that they're the police. We're the freaking police. You've been down there stealing the services all the time. Yeah, they arrested us for that. That was the arrest. So they put me in cuffs. They handcuffed my wife, cut her off to another room to squeak her the confession out of her.

and handcuffed me and sat me on the bed. So they went through all of our luggage and stuff and hauled us down to the police station. The funny thing about that is they charged us for what we had on us and they never charged us for any time that we stayed at the room. So the cost of the rooms,

they didn't charge you for? They didn't charge us for the cost of the room or anything. Why they charged for what you had on you? Yes, we had like IDs, fake IDs. Oh, okay. And the stuff we were going to do, that's what they charged us for. Because you were flying down to Florida to also while you're down here hanging out, you're also committing fraud.

Of course, of course. That's your job. So the funny thing about that, right, is what my lawyer told me was it's like because they could never prove that you were the, neither one of y'all admitted that you were the one faxing the credit card and the ID down. So they could have been anybody running that part of the scam. Right. Okay. They just. Like I wonder if they had grabbed.

you and they and it was just you and your wife and the IDs were valid and you didn't have anything on you like most likely they might have let you go as a matter of fact that is what happened because I have been doing that for years and so um I did it for other people so one of the couples that I did that for like they called us up and the guy was telling me all he kept saying was I can't believe we didn't go to jail he goes there was so many police that came in that room and searched us and went through everything

and he goes they just let us go like okay get out like gladly you tell me twice no problem what's do you want me to do one

yeah was that so they did arrest you so what happened so you got arrested for what back to your thing they did arrest you you went downtown you got processed oh yeah we got processed they went through all our stuff. So then they, you know, they asked me questions.

I'm a jerk. When they ask questions, I become a jerk, you know, because, like, they'll go, okay, what's your name, right? I'll go, it depends. I'm a real jerk. So they, they, like, that detective, when he asked me that, and I said, depends, he just got up and walked off. So what, what happened?

Did you do time? No, I got, I got, like, four charges. I bonded out, and I ended up. ended up dropping them all. I think I only got one, ended up with one charge. And that, that charge was, while I was living in Florida, I rented some, I rented something from Buddy Byright, right, and then ended up, because I had to go on the run. I left Florida because I went on the run.

Right. So I bought something from Buddy Byright, went on the run and never paid him off. Well, now if you buy it from a rental company, that's, I didn't know that was a charge. They call it theft. Why, you stole it? Yeah, but we had a contract I didn't honor. Yeah, F that, you stole our shit. Yeah, you would think it would be.

It would fall under like a civil, kind of like a civil suit. No, you know, they, they petitioned the legislation to charge people with that. That's an unbelievable feat that they've done. But yeah, they said I stole it. That was the only charge that I got convicted on on that, on that arrest in that hotel. Okay. So, all right, so one time I had, this is funny because, like, I wrote my book. Like I wrote up I wrote my book right right and this is a whole thing that happened during that whole process that I never talk about like I had an arrest I never mentioned in the book because the book's already like 90 it's like a hundred and it's like over a hundred thousand words it's over three it's a 330 page book and it's like it's just out it's it's long because there's so much fraud and there's it's you know and there's other things that are happening there's relationships and dating different girls and doing whatever so you know

you have to kind of say, what frauds do you want to focus on? So there's a little section that I, like, removed. Well, I was like, you know, that's just more of the same. Don't even mention it. So I'm going to mention this frog. And I've never actually talked about this fraud. I mean, this arrest, I've never really talked about it. You've heard it.

Okay. I'm sure you've heard about it when we were locked up. Like, I've told you this story. But nobody else is I've never talked about it on concrete or anything. So, like, value tainment. None of those shows I talked about it. Matter of fact, like American Greer, All those shows never covered this.

So what happened was one time, and it's funny because I was, so anyway, I had, there was this guy who was, I want to say his name was Walter Bean. That sounds familiar. That does sound familiar like that. Bro, like I've,

that's how long ago and how much fraud there is. That was the identity you were. Yes. Okay, I have heard this story. Okay, I stole the guy. He was a drug dealer. Right.

So I had a friend, by the name of Johnny Moon, whose father used to live with this guy and buy drugs from this guy, right? So, you know, he was a drug addict. So one of his customers stayed on his couch a few times. So Johnny Moon was a friend of mine. He knew where this guy lived. And we drilled by the house one day and he goes, hey, he said, you see that house right there? I said, yeah. He said, the name of that guy, that guy's Walter Bean. He actually, it's funny. He goes, he owns that house right there's a drug dealer. And he goes, in his nice house, it was worth whatever like I'm going to say 200,000 I forget exactly what the amount of the house was

but it's worth a couple hundred thousand I was like it wasn't a great area right but I was like I was like oh nice and so we were driving it and I thought huh so is a drug dealer he's a drug dealer that owns that house I said is he own it free and clear and he goes I don't know he might I think so I think his parents bought it for him he was to be honest he was like he parents have money or something my dad told me I forget and I remember thinking he goes but he's been arrested a bunch of times. Like, that's all he does is sell drugs. And I thought, what a great victim. Like, if you have to rob somebody, you know, if you have to cause somebody some problems and do something, like, do it to a criminal. Do it to somebody that they're not going to look at it.

We're not going to run around and try and solve your crime, Mr. Drug Dealer. Somebody encumbrance the title to your home and caused you a bunch of problems and borrowed some mortgages. Like, we're not going out of our way for you. So what? ironic you got arrested on that but go ahead so that property it's so funny because i i went downtown i searched the title and there was no there was no um there was no um uh there was no mortgage on it it had been bought free and clear so i i go i look up the house i look in public records there is no mortgage so i go and i then i ran his i ran oh i know what it was i created a another identity

or did I find his social security number? I don't know. Oh, I know what it was. I looked up his arrests. Yes. And I found his social security. He'd been arrested so many times over such a long period of time that if you actually went and you actually got their arrest record, it actually had his social security number

like written on it or something. I forget. You know what a lot of times, the Freedom of Information Act? Listen to this. A lot of times they would actually take white out, you know, the white out sticks And they would white out. So you white out, not just you can scratch it off. They would actually go, oh, here's this police report report from 1995. And they take like a white out stick.

And they go, eh, eh, right over your social security number. And then they mail it to you. And then I just, there you go, 277. You know, so somehow or another, I think, I want to say I got his social security number. I still long ago, I can't remember. Regardless, I came up with a credit profile for him. didn't I don't I think it wasn't great credit it whatever but he did own a house worth 200,000 so then I applied for several mortgages in his name I had a buddy of mine this is how I get caught by the way I have a buddy of mine who was an appraiser his name was Robert Toma right Robert Toma then did an appraisal on the house never went in the house used pictures from other houses put it together and then I actually the instead of using Robert Toma's appraiser he doesn't Obviously, he doesn't want to be listed as the appraiser.

I used the appraisal of another person, another appraiser. I'm going to fast forward because this is whatever. The point is that I borrowed like three mortgages on this house, probably $150,000 on each mortgage, whatever, like $400,000. I went and opened up bank accounts in his name, and then I borrowed the money, went to closings, got the money, put the money in the bank, and was removing money from the bank.

While I was removing money from the bank, what ended up happening was one of those mortgage companies saw the appraisal, and one thing was off on the appraisal. It said, instead of it saying it was in an urban area, it said it was in a rural area. So they contacted the original appraiser to tell, ask him if he could change that. And he said, I didn't do that appraisal.

And guess what? He happened to be a retired shuner. sheriff's deputy. Well, retired sheriff's detective or investigator, whatever they call them. He contacted them, contacted their fraud department. They looked into the whole thing. They came back. They set up a sting. They follow me from one of the banks. They staked out the like the UPS store that I, at that time. They were called mailboxes, et cetera. Had a mailboxes, etc. I went to in the middle. You used to go to it like 11 o'clock at night. I drive there when it was closed. You had to have a key to get.

get in you open your box you get your box they were there staking it out they follow me for a couple of days they arrest me here's how they arrest me by the way they staked out my office too so they were staking out my office and i and i we we i was getting a divorce and i was thinking that car's been over there a while so i actually had one of my mortgage brokers actually said i'm going to go find out who it is he walked over to the the car that was parked in the parking lot watching like been there for days right you know different cars but it was was always like you could tell it was like that's a cop just sitting in the car right he walked over one day walks up to the window and the guy's just staring at him he rolls the window down and he goes

excuse me he said um you've been sitting here for days what's what's going on the guy goes why are you approaching me he was I'm approaching you because you're in the parking lot he was actually across the street from our parking lot because you've been sitting in the parking lot I think you might be watching our place what's going on the guy goes don't approach me again walk away go back to your office do you understand what I'm saying you goes, hey, bro, what's going on? The guy flashes a badge, and he says, hey, he says, none of your business, what's going on. Go, go, go.

And so the guy walks back. That guy was Dominic Ferreira. That was one of my brokers. So he walked over there. So we goves back, whatever. So a day or two later. When Dominic brought that news to you, what did you do? You know what I thought?

What? I thought that they were staking out another one of the businesses. or I thought maybe it's like when Dominic said he flashed a badge he's like an investigator Dominic said he might be a private investigator like maybe he's not a cop right he didn't say he said I didn't really see what the badge said he said I just left he seemed like serious so we started thinking maybe my ex-wife or my soon-to-be ex-wife was having me followed because it was that kind of a de-worse it wasn't an amicable divorce right so i was like man so i was like okay so i'm still not thinking i'm in trouble

i i wasn't didn't feel like i was in trouble until one day i went to go check my box and i was driving back in my car at an outy t t quattro when they first come out love that car so i'm driving this little outy and i noticed it was a buddy of mine was it with me and he said he noticed somebody was following me i actually got into a high speed chase with the cops but here's here's a funny thing you know how I knew the cops were following me we got on I-75 because I was checking the box was in Brandon which is like a 20-minute drive from Tampa it's another city outside Tampa and so my office was in Tampa so I got on I-75 and as I'm driving down I 75 he's like I think that cop that car back there is following us but they've been here

such that you know for this long I saw him over here I think that's a car it's like really so I pulled over and just stopped the car pulled over and stopped get out of here So now we've got this. Is that obvious? It's that obvious. Like, but they're just like, oh, my God. So I was like, oh, my God, the other day, one of my brokers, there was somebody parked across the street.

And I saw I tell him, I'm like, the guy they went out and then they checked and he said he was an investigator. He showed a badge. And of course, this guy's, this guy sitting next to me is like, what am I hanging out with you for? What's going on? You're an arch criminal. What are you doing?

I'm like, well, what happened? I'm like, oh, man. Okay, so there's this guy. I borrowed like three mortgages on his house I've been taking the money out He already knows I'm all corrupt And he's like Fuck I remember he goes

How do you think of these things He's like I mean I was like Bro I got bigger problems than Breaking this day Well how exactly did you I got an issue We're sitting on the side of the road Yelling at each other

So I drive off the car Comes up behind me Keeps going follows us No problem Now we realize like there's two cards So then I try and lose them right at one point i think i lose him and then he sees we see another car and we're like okay then i race around in the back so i'm really racing around at this point then at one point i think i've lost

both of them but then when i go back to the office i pull up in the office one of them's like already at the office and another one pulls up and it's like okay they're doing some kind of chase you down thing that i don't know how to do and doesn't matter anyway because they already know where i'm at and one of those cars was the car that was across the show like i'm done so at the end of the end of the day I go to pick up my son. I jump in my car. I take off. I'm driving down these little back roads, driving around a little lake. Like, there are back roads, you know, in Florida. Like, there's lots of little, you can have a major city. And then in between intersections, there's these little tiny back roads that go around little ponds and they're in the middle. And so I'm

kind of driving fast and everything. And then I then I realize they're behind me. And then as I'm going, I'm like, oh, shit, this guy's behind me. I'm going to pick up my son. I don't want this guy, like, I don't want to be in this guy chasing me around with my son in the car. and I'm like oh man I remember looking at him and looking up and this car pulls up in front of me and then there's a next thing I know cop car no sorry sheriff sheriff like boom boom I'm like I lock up I'm like holy man bro this is like three caught three or four cop cars there's a couple undercover cars they jump out they pull their guns they do the whole thing all on a mortgage all because of a couple of mortgages and an identity theft so here's what I found out had happened what had happened was

this. When they found out the whole thing, they actually went to Walter Walter Bean. I really want to say it is Bean. Yeah, it was Bean. So Walter, they go... For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles

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Went to Walter Bean They actually, because he's a drug dealer They brought him downtown, they question him. They insisted it was him. They were ready to throw him in jail. He's screaming. It's not him. He doesn't know anything about it. They search his house. They really put like this guy through hell. And they come back and but they let him go because they were like we couldn't find anything. And you have to understand this. This is the worst part. Colby, this is going to lose us some subscribers. So here's the worst part. Keep in mind, this guy's a scumbag. Okay. So he's a scumbag. So he's a scumbag. So don't judge me on this. I don't want to hear any crap. Fuck you, okay? Was it a bad time?

It was a bad time. He was selling drugs to kids. He's selling drugs to kids. There you go. And pregnant women. Hard drugs. Like marijuana and ecstasy. No, I'm just joking.

I don't know what he was selling. Anyway, so my goal, you know what I was going to do? What? Oh God, this is so bad, bro. Colby's laughing. The appraisals is. in his name. Everything's in his name.

So they think it's him all the way. They just took his idea. Yeah, but you know, luckily like the luckily for him, the people that I'd gone to the closing with are all basically when they're being shown a picture of him. They're like, ah, they can't ID him. That might be him, might not. I don't think so. I don't know. He was significantly older than me. At that point, I was in my early 30s. He was in his, in his late. Is it white guy? Yeah. Mid to late 50s though. And so they're thinking that you are the guy that came to the closing. I didn't thinking he is the guy that came to go?

Initially, but nobody could ID him. But they're trying to ID him off of, you saw this guy a month ago, and a little black and white picture that's been copied multiple times now. So it's like, it's not him, it could be him. He could be working with him. Like, they don't know.

Right. He probably knows him. So he's involved in it. He's been in state prison three or four times. He's been arrested 15 times. I mean, you know, he's, he's involved. It's a scam. So I was literally my whole plan

when I had gotten all the money out, and I'd gotten out a couple hundred thousand. When I'd gotten out the whole thing, my plan had been to take the appraisal and mail it to him. Think about it. If you own a house and you get an appraisal in the mail that you ordered on your house, everything was his name, his name, his name, and is it a full appraisal? You wouldn't throw it out. Like if you just got it from some random appraisal or they didn't even have to have a return address. Right.

I just stick it in your mailbox. You're not going to throw it out. So he would have kept that. he would have kept that and that would have raised the value of his property. Raise the value. What are you talking about? When the cops had searched his house, they would have found the appraisal. Think about it.

That's the appraisal. You're putting a nail in his coffin. Oh, it was worse than that. I had bought dummy cell phones. I was going to take the dummy cell phones, wipe them down, and I was going to leave them at his front door, like in a box. If you walked out your front door and you saw a cell phone, a brand new cell phone in a box, are you not going to pick it up and throw it in the garbage.

You're going to take it inside. you're going to think somebody delivered this by accident. I need to keep this. What if they come by? And he's a scumbag. He's most likely going to pull it out and fucking open it and try and use it or maybe sell it, whatever. He's going to keep it. Like I was basically going to take all of these, a lot of this stuff and drop it off at his house.

Most people are going to pick it up and bring it inside so that I knew if he ever got, his house got searched, which I assumed it would be, they're going to find a lot of this stuff that he says he doesn't know anything about. You had the appraisal. You had like the laptop. All these documents. I had a laptop I had bought specifically and I'd written up all the documents on the laptop. So you've got a laptop in your house

that has all the documents on it. Everything's in your name. You've got the cell phones that were all used could you imagine him sitting there with the cell phone on him and the cops are like, so you don't know anything about this? No, I don't. And they call the number and he goes, oh, hold on a second. I got a call. Yes?

I mean, they'd be like, yeah, what? Oh, why are you calling me? This is the number that was used. Oh, no, no, see what happened. Was someone drop this off in my front door? I've been using the phone. Sure, you have. I mean, he would have been, look, the fake pay stubs that I had made were on the laptop that he had.

So, I mean, he's going to have some, he's going to have some splaining to do. You know what I'm saying? Right. It's going to be an issue. Right. For old, old Walter. And don't judge me, okay? I know you guys out there, you're judging me.

You're saying, what a. scumbass. Stop it, okay? This isn't a school teacher. Anyway, point is, what happened was I did get arrested prior to being able to. So they arrested you that day that they followed you and through the back. Yeah, it's actually still, yeah, it was like the day they, oh yeah, the day they tracked me. Oh, they arrested me. They grabbed me, they handcuffed me. I remember when they searched my car, at the time I had a concealed weapons permit. So they find a gun. But I have a concealed weapons permit. They find bullets. Like when they're like grabbing all this stuff and they're like, this is what cracked me up. When they're grabbing all this stuff, they're like, oh, weapon, boom, that's

an extra this much. Oh, you got a bullet. You got bullets. Oh, that's an extra this much. And I want to conceal weapons permit. Bro, what are you talking about? Like, it's in my wallet. You know, I mean, they're like, like, how did they, I was wondered about this. How did you do all this research into me, arrest me, and not know I didn't have a concealed weapons permit? Like, you would think that would come up. But anyway, that's the whole thing about the government. The left hand doesn't always know what the right hand's doing. Well, true, but they didn't know really who you were. Well, they, at that point, they, they had my car. They, they knew my, they had my tag. They're going to my office. They're going to a mortgage office. Yeah. Like,

they know mortgages are involved. And they just know you from going to the box. They knew me from following me in my car. And I thought, and I would, look, had the appraisal not, had the appraisal, had that one box had urban instead of rule on it. And they not had to call that appraiser. You would have got away with that Scott. Oh, I would have got. Because think about it, by the time I got the money out, I never go back to the box. So by the time, two months later, when these loans start to foreclose, these lenders start to foreclose on this guy. And he goes to the police and says, look, these guys are, this is what happened. I don't know what's going on.

By that point, you know, by that point, I'm never, you know, the only things they had was they had a UPS box, mailboxes, et cetera. You know, they've got a couple, like an abandoned address where I was also getting. mail but it was a house I had no association with but it was a clean house it was it was up for sale or it's for rent that I would get cards to I listen I'd even had stuff mailed to his house and drove by and opened the thing and grabbed it out of his box like knew when that when it was coming went and got so I've even got stuff being mailed to your house I mean and even if he had gone to them and said hey I'm being foreclosed on I don't have anything to do with it and they go and they can you mind if we

look on you through your house sure no problem he's not smart enough to realize the appraisal that I in the mail a month ago or two weeks ago or two months he's not smart enough to know that he's not smart enough to realize hey that laptop that i've been that i got somebody left he's not going to be thinking any of that right right my point is he's going to basically oh yeah you can look around sure they're going to be like oh nice laptop yeah yeah thanks i appreciate that like he's not going to say oh i found it and i've been using it you know he's got he's a scumbag yeah he wouldn't even associate that right he doesn't nobody people don't know how the process works and they don't understand. He thinks he feels like I haven't done anything, so of course I'm going to be an open

book. Not realizing that the law enforcement will take the path of least resistance. We have enough to convict you. Does it look like it's possibly not you? Yeah, we think you could be set up, but no way a jury believes that. Arrest them. Like they don't care. Right. We got, you know, it's like grab somebody, round up the usual suspects. Anyway, they took me down, when they arrest me, they put me in the back of the car, they take me downtown. They process. me that was the first time I'd ever been arrested. That was rough because I was, first of all, I was cocky. I was kind of cocky at first. Right. But then you spend that first night in jail. You had to spend the night? Oh, I spent like two or three. Come on. There's like two, three hundred

thousand dollars missing. So they're, they're not saying, oh, there's 20,000. There's like 300, 400,000 in mortgages, right? There's like 150, 150, 150, there's like 450,000. Wow. And I have, had was still draining the accounts, but I still had a couple hundred thousand. So there's a couple hundred. They seized that. Well, I had to tell them where it was. They did seize it, but I also had to tell them like where it was because a lot of the money was like in cash. Like I had some money in cash.

Listen, they actually had brought me to, I had opened up a bank account and a safety deposit box. They brought me. They know that stuff. They brought me there to open it. Yes, when the bank opens, I'm there with two cops walking in with two cops. You imagine how does that feel in somebody else's name like this isn't even in my name so they did that yes they walk me in there we go in we sign it we open the box they open the box they look they're like boom there's all this cash in there there's all kinds of stuff in there they're like they took everything took everything so you bonded out the arrested you bonded out paid them paid the money whatever happened to that case well I mean I got I was placed on probation I gave them all the money back so I'm good but But the thing is, keep on, I was at that point, like, I needed to stop that case for a very specific reason.

I was running additional scams. So I'm, I'm, at that point, I borrowed money in the name, I was, at that point, I was already borrowing the money in the name of Lee Black, of, uh, um, yeah, blue, green, yellow, silver. Like, I'm already running another scam. You just happened to catch me on this scam. Like, I've got to put, I got to, what do you need me to do? Like, I got to shut this down as quick.

possible. And the whole time I'm lying to them. They're like any other, nope, nothing. This is it. You got me. You got me, coppers. What do I need to do to get probation? So I get probate. And this is the thing, too. Like, I can't eat. There's not like I can cooperate. It was just

me running the scam. Like, the only involvement of anybody else was Johnny Moon who didn't even know what's going on. I'm driving by, Donnie. Hey, look at that. And I thought, Roll it X, put that in my mental roll at X. Look that guy up. like so Johnny Moon knew about a lot of the scams but he didn't really wasn't involved in that scam you know

so it's I'm the only person involved so I paid them back immediately and pled guilty you didn't include that in the story but I do remember that yeah I didn't include it because it's it in and of itself that could be that could be well it's irrelevant in the context like there's lots of little scams I was running like do I talk about the one scam where I did this

and I made $80,000 no it's silly like that's five pages that story I just told you just now that's an extra 30 pages in a book I'm already at 330 pages it's not like I don't already have enough good stuff right right like that's just stupid that's a whole that right there's a whole

crime that's a whole story in and of itself instead I so I already had tons of those stories so plus I got arrested by the local cops it was embarrassing the local cops it wasn't feds it wasn't anything spectacular yeah it's the local and it was embarrassing.

I got arrested by the locals. I mean, come on. Seriously? It's a little shame. Understood. Understood. I felt like I'm, you know,

I don't commit state crimes. It's embarrassing. And I thought that's all I committed was state crimes. No, you got, no. All right, so second arrest, another arrest that was funny. It happened in, in, it happened in department store and Sears. Now, what we and my wife have. It's already embarrassing.

It is. so we had bought we had bought a house up in Georgia and we wanted a washing machine in a dryer so what we had learned my wife and I learned about can't just buy it can you no you just can't buy it we had the money that's yeah I know you do I've I've have I remember these conversations in in Coleman where it's like where you've got you've got you've got two three four hundred thousand dollars and then you're still committing fraud for like a three hundred dollar this or a four hundred dollars it's like you had 400 thousand in cash What are you doing?

I know I hate to pay for stuff. Like, it just be mad. So what had happened was we had discovered what they call instant credit. Now, we found this out in Target. So we get a fake ID. So we would pull someone's credit score. I think we had a contact that would give us people with close to 800 beacon credit scores. So we would get a fake ID in their name.

And we used to go into Target and like with a fake. ID and that person would say, hey, well, you want to apply for the target card. We were like, yeah. So they'd put in your social. Right. And then they'd put in your date of birth and the address. And then if you got approved, they would print you out a receipt that you could use as your temporary card. I remember you had a Lexus Nex account, right? Yes. Yes, we did. Well, that was for instant credit. In some cases, they would ask you questions. That was like Circuit City or Best Buy. Well, this one was Sears. So, well, it was different.

I'm just kind of explaining the instant credit. But sometime it did require knowing the background. They'd ask you what color was the Jeep that you owned. You drove, yeah, in college. Well, the Jeep that you currently drive. What color is it, right? And they would ask you stuff like, what was the name of your roommate in 2000? And Lexis joined all that information together.

So when we had the report, so we had the same report they had. So when that would happen, my wife, we used to put the little earbuds in, and my wife would be in your ear. So they'd ask the question, and you'd repeat it, so you'd be on the phone and you'd say, okay, my name of my roommate that I live with in college, let's see, my college years was 89. Yeah, and my wife would be like, oh, his name is Timothy Johnson. Yeah, oh, that was Timothy Johnson, you know what I'm saying? So that's how she feeds you the info. And once you answered those questions, they go, well, you've been approved for 15 grand. And so then you would be like will of fortune.

I'll take the 70-inch television for $2.99. You got $6,749 left. I'll take the Washington. You got $3,800. You know what I'm saying? That's how you would, so you'd pick items. And you want us to deliver it to your house? Absolutely not.

I have a U-Haul outside. So happened. Yeah, funny things. I rented a U-Haul this morning. Just loaded up with the other electronics. Please. But anyway, so we're in Sears. We want to wash her and dryer.

So we decide to do instant credit. So I put on an ID, which is what's crazy, crazy, I'm like 36, 37. I put on a guy that's 56. My age, like, well, I'm not that now, but my age now, you know. So I put on a 56-year-old guy, and I'm in my 30s. So the woman enters him in. So my wife and I, we're in Sears. I don't exactly know what happened, right?

but we're in there lollygagging. Lolliggagging. Let me tell you right now, Colby's never heard Lolligaggagging. Oh, well, we're in there screwing around. That's a dated term. It is dated. I'm old.

I mean, I use Lolligagging. You know, but we're screwing. Like, first of all, like, when I think about that, I remember because they had a outlet store, right, and it had a store in the mall. And my wife and I had a debate. I said, look, let's just go to the outlet store. It was, no, no, no, no.

The mall has the same thing. I remember thinking, but why do you want to go to the mall? I think it's more money. So, like, she... You're not paying for it. I know, but... I still want to get a deal. What?

Absolutely. Well, she, listen, everything in me wanted to go to the outlet store. She wanted to go to the mall, right? And I said, I think the mall, I think the outlet store is cheaper. So she called and said, nope, the prices are the same. So she called the mall and all of my objections she overcame. So we went to the mall. So it's her fault.

Like in my mind, I like to blame her. Because I'm like, I wanted to go to the outlet store. You know, anyway, but, you know, it's probably my fault anyway for agreeing. I could have said, no, we're going to the outlet store. You just don't want the phone call. That's right. You're trying to avoid the phone call right now. If only I'd listen to my wife.

Well, I did. It's a, if I had. Oh, yeah, yeah. All right. So we go to the mall. So we're in the mall. We give the woman the info. She types it in and we get approved.

So we pick out the washer and dryer. So I think we have like five grand worth of credit left. So she's like, did you guys want to get anything else? Do I? Yeah, of course. So let's look around, right? So at some point, we're looking around. No, what it is is we're asking them, like, can you bring the washer and dryer out?

So it feels like they're stalling us. So the next person we talked to about our credit, like I told you, whenever I'm dealing with someone in the bank, I kind of look for mannerisms of being nervous. Right. Because if you know you're like an active crime, and this is not what you're normally used to, you start getting nervous. Right. So the next person we dealt with appeared extremely nervous, right? So somehow my wife and I separated, she was looking at something, I was looking at something else. So the next moment I deal with, she looked extremely nervous. So I'm talking to her and I'm trying to make conversation and she's barely able to answer my

questions. I said to myself, okay, it's time for us to go. Right. So I'm looking for my wife. I think this time we have cell phones when I call her up and when we meet up, both of us are like, hey, let's get out of. Like I said, hey, let's get out of here. She goes, yeah, because da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So I'm like, okay, let's go. So we go to leave. We get out into the parking line, right? Because they're calling us. Hold on a second. We've got to get your watch and dryer. I said, we'll be right back. We had an emergency. We'll be right back. So we go out, get in our car. So we walking fast, get in the car

and close the door. I start the car and as I'm pulling out of the driveway, I see the police cars coming into the only entrance into the parking lot. So when they come, they go past us. They're coming, like as I'm looking in the rear view mirror, they're coming out of the store.

That's them right there. They're pointing to the police. So they're like, they pull in and like, what? That's them. You pass them. So they turn around. And we're pulling out of the parking lot, they start chasing us. Yes, yes. They even tap the rear end of our car, yeah, to stop.

That's how we stopped and they arrested us at that point in time. It's kind of like three minutes, like a minute or two earlier, if we had got that, like, panic. You could have been gone. We'd have been gone. Yeah. We'd have been gone. But the fact that, like, right on the cusp of that, you know, we served nine months in jail on that deal. Oh, yeah.

Oh, Sears ain't playing around. No, they were not playing around. How much? What did you have to pay back? Well, we didn't get anything. You know, we didn't, you know, we just got to prove. Right, right, right. But unfortunately, we had a couple of instant credit target receipts on us.

So by having that, we actually had charges in two counties. Yeah, it was, you're right. This is like one of those things when I should have used some comments. sense. But the reason I thought that was hilarious is because my intuition told me something was wrong. And I probably lingered about another three or four minutes because I was trying to be certain that something was wrong. When I was talking to that girl, I'm going like, I got a weird feeling. Because I don't know if you've ever had that feeling of dread right before you get arrested. Like you're going, oh, I'm going to get arrested. Like something's really,

really wrong. Right. I think, I mean, I'm a big believer in intuition. Right. Because I don't know. Only because most of the time, like, when I've dated some chick and I've been cheating on her, and she's, you know, like, everything's right. Like, I went to work. Like, everything's set up and you get back and the girl looks at you. And she's like, where have you been? I was here. I was this.

Something's wrong. And you're thinking, there's no way she knows that I left during work in the middle of the work and went and had sex with this chick in a hotel room and came back. Like, there's no way. Like, there's no. But she knows. Like she can feel it. And the truth is, you know, I've been the same situation

where it's like, I know my girlfriend's cheating on me. Like, I can feel it. I know it. It's not jealousy because I'm not a jealous person. So when that hits me, I know it. Right. And it's just intuition. It's the same thing when you're locked up or about to get arrested

or you're doing something wrong and they're figuring it out or they're looking at you. You're feeling like I can feel something's wrong. That you, something's not right with the way you're looking at. me the way it's intuition there's no real it's just that like you said it's just that feeling it's there's no way to put your finger on it like everything's going right right and and i'm sensing it i lingered too long because everything in me said turn and go now but i'm like i want to check and be sure so i started asking her questions and as i'm asking her questions like i became more and

more and more certain like and i didn't need that extra time like really what i was doing doing was giving everything time to develop, whereas we would have got the hell out of there and been gone. Like, like, as we're pulling out for the cops to be turning in and pass us, like, we should have been passing the cops up the street. Right. And got on the highway. Yeah.

Yeah. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to guys that were just like, knew something was wrong, knew something. But, so what's the, what's the other, I mean, my other arrest is like it's, no. you're a major arrest when they surrounded you and he walks up to you and goes, you're okay. The one that made national news?

Yeah. News alert. Matthew Cox has been arrested. Yeah, that one was. The look on your face like, yeah. Well, I mean, I had another arrest. When I was mad on the toilet, oh, oh.

I had another arrest where I was never even arrested. Like they just, it was, the FBI just called me up. And this was, because in the middle of this whole, running a scam and this was what i went here the one about where you were actually cuffed and you talked your way out of the cuffs oh yeah yeah but that wasn't yeah yeah yeah but that's the one okay well i don't know how much time we got we're good okay because i was thinking about the time like i'll tell you real quick one time i got arrested i didn't even get arrested was this the fbi called me and said like somebody i had been dealing with got in trouble told the police what i was

doing got me on tape went and had lunch with them In the middle of the conversation, I realized they were wired, got up and I left, went back to my office. I put all this in the book. When I get back to my office, the FBI calls and says, hey, listen, you need to come in. I was like, oh, okay. Like, even in the middle of the conversation with the two people, I was like, oh, wow. Like, I'm being recorded. Like, and I go, man, I hope you're getting something for this.

And the chick actually says, we don't have to go to jail. And I went, she was, I'm mad, Matt, I've got two kids. And I was like, I don't have a kid. And I was like, okay, all right, I understand. I said, tell the FBI not to come in my office just to call me on the phone. And I got up and left. I leave. I get back to my office.

They called on the phone. You know, my secretary says, hey, there's an agent Scott Gale on the telephone. I'm like, oh, shit. Pick up the phone. I'm like, and she's standing at the doorway, and I'm like, hey. And she's like, I'm like, yeah, what's up? And she's like, the guy's like, look, obviously you know why I'm calling. And he didn't even pretend like there was anything other than these, you just.

been caught on date and he asked for me to come in and i called i said okay i'll come in on monday and scheduled the time and then said i called got a lawyer talked to a few lawyers they put it off like hired this one lawyer he for 75 grand 75 000 to get to plead guilty so he ends up i end up talking i never did talk to the police i talked to him he talked to the FBI. Like, I never actually debriefed to the FBI. They told him this. He asked me. I said this. They came back. I said, no, that's not true. That's not what happened. I borrowed this much money on this property on this. And I pled guilty and got three years probation, which ran concurrent with the other three years that I was on for the state one. Right. So, and I, there was no money

loss. So that was like an arrest, but I never actually got arrested. So anyway, the other arrest that you're talking about was after I went on the run. There could have been another arrest when they raided my office, but I actually had a friend of mine that was a sheriff's deputy who told me that they were coming to arrest me before they came to arrest me. So there was this huge investigation, and then it was handed to the FBI, and then he was going to be, he was mentioned during the investigation. So there was a task force, and one of the chicks on the task force, he actually used to date.

So she came to him and said, look, you're. buddy cox he's about to be arrested by the fbi i mentioned you nobody knows that i know you so i'm telling you don't talk to him anymore so he then comes to me immediately like after i think he went to work that day he came at the end of day he came to me and said look man i just got off work he's in a sheriff's outfit and everything i just got off work here's what happened boom boom boom they're coming to arrest you in a couple of days i was like holy shit i took off on the run they raided my office like a couple a couple of days later. I wasn't there. I'm gone. Another thing that happened was so then I was on the run for three years. I cover all this in my book by the way, which is also unaudible. So anyway,

I was on the run for three years, borrowed a bunch more money. And then at one point, I was living with this chick in Nashville. So I'm living with her. And we're messing around with this other chick who's coming over and we're all having sex. So she at one point, the girl, all I was dating at the time. Her name was Amanda. Amanda found out who I was. She knew I was on the run, but she didn't know my real name.

And keep in mind, we're going all over the place. We're going to Italy. We're going to Greece. We're going to Croatia. We're going to Mexico. Like, we've been all over the place on my fault, using my false passports. And she's using her real one.

But she knows, like, she's like, this guy, he's got tons of money. He's committing fraud, but we're living great. So she's going with it. Well, at some point we realize, I realized that the dateline, NBC was going to do a one-hour special on me. And I'd already been in a bunch of magazines. So I'm already kind of nervous, but I'm also thinking I'm okay. Right.

So there was that. So then, but she ends up telling the chick that we're fucking on the side. She tells her who I really am. And that girl called the Secret Service and turned me in. And they raid, well, they were waiting for me. one day I pull up at my house and they get on the ground get on the ground that was horrible that was the arrest for that was my final that was the rest that yeah never got back let back out you're so you're and you're talking about the one where I got arrested in the bank and the bank

and then they let you go yeah that arrest I uh explained your way out of it yeah because but they didn't arrest me as Matt Cox they arrested me as Gary Sullivan that's so I was at the bank I borrowed like $1.3 million on a couple houses in Columbus, South Carolina. I remember this now. That's going to. Gary Seller. That happens. I mean, right, Colby?

You know what I'm saying. Like, if you had a dime every time. So I was in the bank and I was getting, I used to go into the bank and I would pull out money out of just various accounts. I probably had, I don't know how many I had eight or ten accounts. So I would go in and I'd say, like every couple of days, I'd go make a little circuit. and I'd go get like 3,000, 9,000, 7,000, 8,000, out of different bank accounts. And then I'd go and I'd drive back to Charlotte, North Carolina.

That's where I was living. So it was like an hour and a half, two-hour drive, maybe longer. Anyway, I'd gone in this one bank. It was a bank called Wachovia Bank, walked in, and I'd borrowed money from them. So I walked in, I said, hey, and I remember I walked up to the, the chick at the counter was always very nice to me. Same thing. she looked at me and I remember she looked nervous yeah and I was like and she

always because I was coming in every other day asking for money now I'm also depositing money like I deposit like a $50,000 cashier's check from one of the other banks so my balance wasn't draining it was it was going up and down up sometimes it would have 200,000 sometimes it would have $4,000 sometimes it would go up to 160, then it would go up to 200, then it would go down to, you know, 80. So they don't really, like, it's so, it's varying so much, they're not thinking he deposited $200,000 into this account and he's draining it. Right.

It doesn't really look like it's being drained. Right. So I'd go in one day and I asked for, I forget what I asked for, $5,000, $3,000. I have no idea, but it was under $10. So I say, you know, whatever, hey, I need $6,000. But if it was, oh, anything, how am I ever borrowed more than $3,000, she always had to call. and get permission because it was a new account.

Right. So she goes, but I looked at her and she looked funny because she used to always say, hey, how was your weekend or how is this or how is that? Nothing.

She's like, okay, thank you. I said, hey, I said, how's it going? She goes, it's good, it's good. She walked in the back. I remember thinking, it's weird. She walked in the back,

waiting, waiting, and all of a sudden somebody reaches over my, reaches over, grabs me by the wrist, pulls my wrist, and somebody grabbed me by the other one. I'm like,

what the, look over and there's two two sheriffs deputies massive guys they handcuffed me and say turn me around and they take me into the and i remember he said see he said i wasn't arrested he goes you're not you're you are not under arrest you were being detained i'm in handcuffs and you took me in the back room and i can't walk away i don't care what you're calling it it was just arrested it's an arrest so they said you know we're waiting for the detect for an investigator to come down here And I remember thinking, because I was being, the Secret Service was looking for me and the FBI was looking for me at that time. I remember thinking that it was the FBI for some reason was coming.

Because he said like investigator or detective or something. And I didn't know. At that time, I was a novice and I didn't really know the difference between those roles. Even though, you know, like the FBI will call you an investigator. They'll call their guys because they do have, they do have FBI investigators. Right. And those investigators are people that have been deputized into the FBI who are actually local people. Right.

So you could be a local, you could be a local narcotics officer and be deputized into the DEA. And they'll call it, they won't call you a DEA agent. They call them a DEA investigator. Right. And they're paid by the DEA. Right. To help them with certain cases. Right.

So he said investing, but I mean, but at that I knew nothing. Investigator was just no different than. officer, agent, detective, they're all the same. So I'm waiting for the FBI guy to walk in. This guy walks in later. He comes in. He walks in five minutes later. The police station was right at the street.

He walks in and he says, Hi, Mr. Sullivan. My name is, and he said Mr. Sullivan. So when he said the cops had been saying Mr. Sullivan, but I don't know if they're fucking with me or not, he walks in and says, Mr. Sullivan. And I'm thinking, Oh, okay.

These guys think my name is Gary Sullivan. I'm okay. That's what you think. Yeah, I'm thinking, this may be okay. And the guy says, hey, look, obviously the reason we detained you, I even asked, I said, well, why am I under arrest? You're not under arrest. You're just detained.

I remember showing my handcuffs going, hey, you see my hand? I said, I feel like I'm under arrest. And he goes, oh, no, no, we can take those off. He was take those off him. And I thought, I just got out of the handcuffs. Not that I could run or anything. These guys are massive. These guys would chase me down in a second.

So it would be like two greyhounds chasing down like a little poodle. A little. No, a rabbit could get away from a couple of greyhounds. So I'm built like a little, like a little tank. Like I don't, I can't like I'm more like a chihuahua. I've just tiny little legs like a little chihuahua trying to outrun to two greyhound. right these guys are a big guy like they're way bigger than me so i remember thinking okay uh i just got out of handcuffs and the guy goes so um the reason you've been detained is because he said uh

apparently you've borrowed three mortgages on on this house on and he named the house like on holloway drive or whatever they name that i forget the street you know on this house and i looked at him and i go is that illegal because i mean obviously one of the one of the places i borrowed the money from was wakobia they know they got a mortgage on it right it's already know everything you know and I said I go is that illegal and the cop goes he was you know I don't know he said I'm still waiting for the you uh the or the district attorney to call me back and I when he said that I remember specifically thinking I'm walking out of here I'm walking out of here I'm out of the handcuffs he doesn't really know if I've committed a crime everything that wakobius

I'm already like I end up and but here's the worst thing about that you know what the most the thing that had me the most anxious was that he said you have three mortgages on this property. I had like six mortgages on the property. So I didn't know which mortgages, Wachovia. So as I'm talking to him, he somehow or another, I end up coaxing him into telling me who the other mortgage company or the other banks were. Right. And one was like SunTrust.

One was Wachovia, SunTrust, and the other one was like a Fieldstone Mortgage. So he's like, why do you have? So he actually gets the head of Wachovia's fraud department on the line. And this guy is on the line with him. And we're arguing back and forth, back and forth. And he's like, well, why do you have three mortgages? I'm like, I don't know. That's what the loan officer here told me to do.

She said she could only give me so much money. She said she had a friend with, and I was like with, shoot, I got a second mortgage with the name of that company. And then he goes, he goes, the other two is one son trust and one. uh you know uh fieldstone i said right second mortgage was field stone because suntrust did a whole bunch of home equity lines of credit at that time so i like sun trusted so i didn't say sun trust so it makes sense like and that would does that that that that he lock does that appear as a as a mortgage on the house it appears as a lien a lien that's right so it's just it's a he lock a lien because it's it's like a big credit card right it's not like it's fixed rate or and they do have the terms

written down it's like a mortgage document um so anyway so i i but you know the guy wakovia knows this is all bullshit but the cop doesn't and the guy wakovia is in like la so i'm explaining i got one on the phone the guy on the phone is in like los angeles of wakovia and los angeles he's mad though oh he's furious he knows this is a scam and the cop saying well no wait a minute we don't really know what happened here and he's like it's fraud that's what happened I'm thrilled. It's only three mortgages. I'm not in handcuffs anymore. I haven't been arrested. He's already told me he doesn't know what's going on. And I start explaining, no, no, you don't understand. I came into Wachovia. Their loan officer told me, I told them I needed to borrow like $400,000, $500,000. They said, I can't get that on a first mortgage. But I have a friend that can get you a second mortgage. I'll get you a first. I'll send you to my friend over at Fieldstone. She'll get you a second mortgage. I said, okay, I went to the second mortgage. She said, I'm sorry. We are max. loan amount is only this much. So I do have a friend that has a heloc,

so you can get a helock on the rest of it. And she sent me to, she called her friend at SunTrust, and I filled out that paperwork. And so over the phone, you know, I did that. And these, they all were calling each other,

and they arranged it. And they explained to me how I had to do it. And I closed the loan. I mean, I just, this is, I don't know. Like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, is that illegal? Like, I didn't do anything. Like, I called these,

I went to the bank. The bank's the one that told me what to do. Right. And so he's like, yeah, no, Yeah, that does make sense. The guy on Wachovia is screaming. That doesn't make sense. Our loan officer would never do anything illegal.

And so, but you know what made it so, what really got me to walk out of there was when he said, look, it's a scam. Look at his ID. I'd actually gotten a real ID from the DM, South Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles in the name of Gary Sullivan. So I actually have an ID in the name of Gary Sullivan. And so the guy of Wachovia says, so it's a real issued ID. Right. So the guy in Wachovia is telling him the detective or the investigator, listen, he's running a scam. He's using a fake ID.

The first three letters are like 0-0.000. Now, it just so happens that in South Carolina, their IDs start with 0-000. And he says to him, no, no, it's a real ID. RID start with 0-00, and I lean in and I go, oh, come on, bro. Now I'm not Gary Sullivan? Come on, man. What are we doing here? The nerve.

What are we doing? And he goes, I know, Gary, I know, I know. So now even he's thinking this guy is off the hinges. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I've handcuffed this guy. It sounds like the bank did something wrong. Like, why? I'm hassling this poor guy now.

So he lets me follow him. Now, listen, the guy on Wachovia is yelling so. loud. He ends up telling him, look, you need to low your voice. I don't even know what I could charge this guy with. I'm going to bring him downtown. We're going to fill out a police report. I'm waiting for the district attorney to call me back to figure out what's going on, and I'll get back with you

and he hangs up. He lets me follow him back to the police station. I go to the police station, go inside, fill out the police report, and he lets me go. I get in the car, I drive to two more banks and pull out more money.

I then go in a third bank, and when I go the third bank the people behind the cashier like they see me and they like rush for the phone like these two women almost bang into the phone trying to get to it and i remember thinking i'm like stopped and i'm like looking around and i went yeah i don't i don't want to talk to that detective again like by now he could have talked to the district attorney or whatever they may put it together so i turn around i get my car and when i drove off the woman runs out and looks at my tag number which didn't matter because i found out later he already had it So anyway, I jump on the interstate and I leave

I mean, listen, that story is actually a lot longer because the whole time this is happening, I've got this crazy chick that I was dating at the time who's on the run with me. She's screaming and, get on the interstate. I mean, she just, see, this woman was a fucking nightmare, bro. So I take off, like the whole story

is a little bit longer and everything, and I go over all of it in my book, Shark in the Housing Pool. See, this is, look, Colby, when I do that, like, when I do that, like, you got you got to switch to me, like, all right, shark in the housing pool. You got to buy that because I do the whole thing. And it's on Audible.

Yeah, bro, like, that's hilarious. Like, that story. That is, I remember that. Oh, and then it hit the newspapers. Oh, bro. It hit the newspapers. Like, when it hit the newspapers, like, it was like. That whole story?

The whole story. Oh, well, I mean, they obviously are like, look, the locals actually, I think they think they actually say that they arrested me and that I convinced them. I talked my way out of it. And the same thing. When they did this story on American Greed, they talk about that. Like, they're like, This guy literally talked his way out of being arrested, and they let him go.

It was bad. That's classic. Like, is that illegal? I don't know. You went, oh, God. Yeah, because I'm doing the whole golly, G. Whiz, officer. I would have never. At one point, I said when the guy from Wachovie, you got three mortgages in one house.

Is that illegal? That is, actually, that's not. It's not illegal. That's not. But they were all first mortgages. Oh, that's illegal. That's illegal. Like I can't tell all the banks

I don't have another mortgage. Right. And they were all first mortgages, but think about it, he doesn't know that. The guy from Wachovia knows it, but he doesn't have the paperwork. And the cop doesn't have the paperwork.

He doesn't know. I'm saying it's a second. You don't know enough of the specifics to be able to get you straightened out. Right, right. So, yeah, so that was one of the things. And yeah, that was,

listen, that whole, there was a two week period of time after that arrest where it was absolute chaos I mean chaos I'm packing my whole my apartment up I go to I go to like Houston Texas I drop everything off I get into a huge fight with my girlfriend I then come back to go I'm driving a U-Haul van a U-Haul truck I have to drive across back across country to Charlotte to get my vehicle where now they're look now the U.S. and marshals are there I almost get caught in a Starbucks there on the way of

there, I call the FBI agent to try and try and figure out a way to talk, to maybe turn myself in, maybe I can get a year. I don't know. Maybe I can, if I turn myself in, they'll take that in consideration. Maybe I'll only get a year or two. Man, I mean, just, just chaos, bro. Almost get caught in the Starbucks when I get back. I mean, it was just go to Nashville, start by, start over

from virtually with like 100 grand, which sounds like a lot of money, but it's not when you're starting from scratch. You're right. It was just the anxiety. if I didn't have, if I wasn't actively taking Xanax bills, I would have, you'd have had to start actively taking it. Oh my God, I was bad. So, um, what else are we doing? What is what you? I have my final nice, my arrest on the airplane. So, all right, so my, give a little bit of a back. You got to give a little bit of why they're looking for you. Stop saying, it makes it seem like they're just targeting you. You're, you're, you're a criminal. I'm a career criminal. Yes, yes. But they're like, you got to kind of just give a little bit of

of the kind of like what they were like the they're looking for you because you're running scams and they get on to you and then they get on to your virtual secretary right isn't it you're buying the bureau buying stuff from people and that's how they get to her weren't you buying social security numbers one of the many things and that's how they get to her yes well um they they so i had a a assistant a secretary that helped me with paperwork and in in in and in just managing things and dealing with different people. So what happened was we were up and moved. We had a place in Salt Lake City, Utah.

We had just bought a house, heated floors in the bathroom. So that would have made our third house. And fully furnished. So we had it to where we could go to any one of our houses, no suitcases. So if we went to our house in Tennessee, we could just show up and walk in. All we had to do was get perishables out of the refrigerator. you know, get milk or bread or stuff. Other than that, it was fully loaded, ready to go.

Baby furniture, baby swing. I mean, like almost identical with two cars. Each house with two cars. So we had a place in... It was a rough life. It was a rough life. We had a ton of money, but... All right, so we're in Salt Lake City.

And so, I mean, I've been dealing with a girl in prison that told on me. so when she told I guess she brought our information of what we did in Florida to the Florida FBI's attention is that the first time the FBI got involved

no he was kind of looking for us anyway that was an escaped arrest which probably should have been a different to where we we nearly barely escaped being arrested one time they were after us and it was the FBI because we were staying in one of the hotels

there and we paid with somebody else's charge card. No, we had paid with a woman's charge card that we had, right, that came on the FBI's radar. So what happened was while we were in the hotel, we left. We left out of the hotel for the day. We were out. I can't remember where we went. We went and did something for the entire day.

We were gone for the entire day. So when we came back at like 7 p.m., like we left at 8 a.m. and came back at 7 p.m. So when we came back, the room key wouldn't work. And in the room, we've got our laptop and all our baby stuff. So our daughter is with my mom. And so we're like, we can't even get in the freaking room. What the heck's going on?

So we go down to the front desk. We call the front desk. We leave because I'm like, I don't know what, let's call. So we call, and there's something like there was a problem with the credit card. We couldn't charge the credit card. I'm like, oh, that's nothing. We'll give them another credit card. I'm like, you know what?

never mind that let's just pay this get our stuff and get out of here right so um we offer this is an almost arrest so we offer to pay so they're telling us the bill is I said well how much is the bill will bring cash said it's $1,200 I said okay we'll get you $1,200. I think we've been there a night and a half or whatever so we go and pull $1,200 cash and um so I pull it up front I say go in there and pay keep the phone on keep your phone on you know in your ear so she goes in and she pays and I'm sitting there out front waiting and then the sheriff pulls up. I'm like, get the F out of here. So I call her up the wife and I say, hey, go, go, go, go, go.

The sheriff just pulled up. I think the plan was because it's a front and a back. Yeah. So we had circled and I told her, I'm going to let you in the front. If something happens, I'm going to pull around the back and get you. Or we had been there and noticed there was a front and a back. So I don't remember what the plan was, but when I saw the sheriff, I said, So I pull out, when the sheriff pulls up, he's confused.

He's like, what? So I pull out, run around the back, and I tell her, come out of the back door. So she's at the counter, and this is what she tells me. She tells the guy, like, she gave him the $1,200, and he gave her a receipt. So she's like, okay, can you give me the key so I can get back in the room? So he's like, hold on a second. So he's got her holding on. So he's talking to her about something, and she goes, hold on one second, Gary.

I got to take this call. So she's talking to me. And I tell her, I said, the sheriff just pulled out. leave. So she just turns around and she just heads toward the back. Meanwhile, the sheriff is coming in the front door. She's coming out the back. So as I pull up, she gets in the car, closes the door. I see the sheriff running down the steps and we pull out of there and go. So we pull out of the hotel and we're going up the street and six sheriff cars is yeah. It's unbelievable. All for a hotel bill. Once again, because we paid that hotel bill,

We didn't get charged, nice. That was the almost arrest. Then we went and stayed at another hotel, but anyway, the arrest, I got arrested getting off the airplane here in Tampa. So somebody told on me that I had committed to fraud here in Tampa, so they were looking for me in Tampa. We were living in Salt Lake, and we had made an agreement that we weren't going back to Tampa.

It's like, look, under no circumstances did we go back to Tampa? Right. So we violated that agreement because we're going to get our daughter, baptized so we decided to go back which was like Colby's like this is insane it's it's insane because so far from Colby's life I know except for the baptism he's like that's like this whole thing that's the only thing he's like oh that's worth the arrest that was worth the arrest so I do have something in something I do have something in common with these two scumbags it's amazing to me

because, like, I set the standard and then I just go against it. I'm saying to her, I'm telling my wife, if we go to Florida, we don't fly in, we'll just drive in. So we can't be detected. And we get a direct flight from Salt Lake City right into Tampa, which is where they're waiting for us. So what happened is that morning, we were dealing with a girl in prison that, I guess, had told on us, or joined the investigation. And she told on our secretary. So, like, the girl in prison knew that I was collecting people's prisoners information and using their identity. So she told our secretary, this is the most bizarre thing, she said, I have a girl in here's social security number.

Let me give it to you. So she gives it to our secretary, the girl's social security number, right? And then the next morning, they kick in her door and say, hey, you have a social security number of another inmate in jail. That's what they take her to jail for. I'm saying to myself, like, how could you give me something, somebody social, and then arrest me for having it? It doesn't even make sense. Well, you know, what's even funnier now is, like, now used to be if you just had their information, it was identity theft. Right.

Now it's not. No, it's not. Now it's, like, it never should have been. Like, if you have someone's, like, it doesn't mean I was going to do something with it. It doesn't mean anything. I just have it in my possession. Somebody gave it to me. Somebody wrote it down on something.

Wrote it down. And I grabbed it, like, you write it on yours on a piece of paper and I grabbed the paper and I write something else. and then I have the paper and you're like, hey, this is a social security number. Right. Well, I didn't know that. Like, if I have 50 social security numbers, what if I'm only going to commit a crime with these two

and I never do anything with the other ones? They're saying, no, no, all 50. You could have. What do you mean, I could have? That's like going into the bank and slipping the cashier a note and getting $3,000, but you charge me with everything that's in the vault.

If you could have gone in the vault. But I didn't, and I didn't intend to. You remember we and John Gordon, you start arguing about that, intended loss? Yeah. Like, John goes like, you intended to get all that money.

The bank has 50 billion when you intended to get all of it, you know what I'm saying? Ridiculous. So what happened then? All right, so, so, they arrest the secretary. They arrest the secretary.

That's who, because when my wife and I traveled, we traveled under different identities. Which agent? What was his name? Lavender, yes. So I traveled under a separate identity. So they wanted to know if we were coming to town.

So if they, told the flights coming in, they wouldn't see our names. So they had to know what our names was. So they arrested our secretary for possession of a person's social security number so that our secretary would give them the names that we flew in under. So that next morning, we get up at 6 a.m. And a person we deal with called up and said that our secretary name was Jojo had been arrested that night.

And I'm like, what? That doesn't make sense. She never, this woman never committed any crimes. All she ever did was book. rental cars, book hotels. That's it. That's all she did was set appointments and book flights and trips. So I'm like, how could she be arrested?

So that was the day we were flying in. So we were on Salt Lake City time. So we were flying out at noon. No, we were flying out at 10 a.m. and arriving at like 5 or 6 p.m. Florida time. Because they were like three hours back. So my wife, we go into a full planet because they call us like 5.

in the morning. We go into a full panic. My wife tells me 50 times, I don't think we should go to Tampa. I don't think we should go to Tampa. I don't think we should go to Tampa. And I'm like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? Jojo, our secretary, is in Georgia. This is all happening in Georgia. We're going to Florida. It's a completely different state.

What could go wrong? The FBI is not a national law enforcement agency. I have no idea the FBI is looking for us. You think what? It's local cops. I think it's local cops. Do you not even know that it could be Are you thinking it's definitely associated with you? Well, I, like, I convinced myself that maybe she was doing something she didn't tell us she was doing to get arrested. Right.

Because, like, under no circumstances, should she ever be arrested? If you're, just because you're working for me booking flights and hotels and rental cars, like, there's no reason. It doesn't mean that you've committed a crime or know that a crime is even being committed. Right. For them to kick in the door and arrest you. That doesn't make sense. it doesn't make sense so when we hear from her she's like they arrested me because i had somebody's social security number i'm thinking like that really got far-fledged because i'm like

that doesn't even make sense at all yeah plus it's so trivial too it's a trivial it's like that's a minor charge like for them to kick in your door right you know all everything seemed up in the air but my wife was insistent that let's not go she goes think about it for one moment this is the thing she said to me that I look back and go, oh my God, like, if I could just go back to those moments in my life, how different everything would be. So she kept, she told me, she says, everybody knows that we're going to Tampa today. Right. Are you sure we should go? Absolutely positive. What could go wrong? Right. Then as we're boarding the plane, right? We're in the airport. She goes, I just want to say for the record that if something happens,

I absolutely did not want to take this trip. It's like everything about her whole being was like, I don't think we should go on this trip. And I'm like, ah, we're okay, we're okay. You know what it was that I got emboldened, that you keep getting away with everything, so you become emboldened and taking more and more risks that don't seem more and more risky.

Right. You know when it was that I got the bad feeling that we shouldn't go is when we were... They put the handcuffs on? Yeah, that was the second bad feeling. When we were putting our overhead baggage on and sitting down, something overcame me, like some dread overcame me, and I'm like, oh, my God.

And I remember looking, I'm looking around, and there's people getting on the plane, and I told my wife, I said, let's get off the plane. She goes gladly. So we go to get up and I said, never mind. Never mind. I'm just overreacting. That intuition.

Yes. the dread said get off this plane now and I say never mind so anyway so we fly to Tampa and when we land we land to Tampa and they're letting people off the plane so when we get off the plane they grab me by both sides they grab my wife so when we come out of the doorway you know how you got the tunnel yeah so there's a door right there so they grab my wife and take her she goes first and they grab her and take her out the door they go grab me and they call me by my name. And I said, no. My name is Bob Evans. They're like, really? Yeah. They go, do you have any ID, Bob? I'm like, of course I have ID. So I show him the

idea and he looks at it. He just smiles, puts it in his pocket. I'm like, nice. I know for a fact that you're up. Mr. Allen, let's go. So they take me off and they question me. And of course, I pissed the agent off, like, royally. I, you know, he's telling me, like, I have, I have this, I have that, I have this, I have this. You know, so you might as well go ahead and confess. And I say to him, well, if you have all that, do you really need my confession? He goes, you want to make this easier? You want to make this hard.

I say, I kind of want to make it somewhere in the middle. You're like, okay, you're a smart ass. So they leave, and I go to jail. And they let my wife go. It was nice. So I was arrested for, possession of the ID that I gave. That you handed them. That's the most, yeah, that's the most obvious thing that they have on you.

They have lots of on you, but this is a very clear, there's two years. Well, I have, I'm arrested for that. And then I'm arrested for being on the phone call where my secretary got the social security number. So she gave my secretary the social security number. Then they called me three way. So they arrested me for being on that one phone call. So I had a warrant in Georgia and I had a warrant in Florida. So, I mean, my wife bonded me out, but the next morning, the FBI, they put a hold on me.

I couldn't get out before the hold got dropped. That was my most thrilling arrest, like, which I look back at, yes. That's thrilling. I wouldn't describe it as thrilling. But, yeah. But, I mean, it was, in my heart of hearts, I know that absolutely, like, all the warning signs. that she's screaming at me, like never got me to waver one minute.

I've been doing that all day. Oh, I know. Sorry. The coffee's wearing off. Yeah, bro. That's horrible. It's horrible. It's horrible getting in that back of that police car,

being fingerprinted, waiting. Walking through the airport, like. Oh, yeah, like your Hannibal Lecter. People are, yeah, yeah. Little kids are. Father of these people are. People pulling their kids towards them and it's just like they're terrified, holding their purses.

Yes, yes. Relax. Fraud, nothing but fraud. Fraud's okay. God, then get to the police station or the, you know, and they process you and they put you in that little room and they close that door. I had no idea that that moment was going to be 17 or 13, what was it, 14 years? I don't know what it was for 12 and a half for me.

It was a little bit more than 12 and a half. It was 13 for me. So that moment started a 13-year bid. I remember we... It's still going. Yeah. Oh, man. It's horrible.

It's the worst. The worst. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all our arrest. That's not all your arrests. No, no. That's all my interesting way.

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