Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What It’s Really Like to Be a High-Class Prostitute | Annie Lobert

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

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And so the next couple months of parties that I went to, I got completely take advantage of and I got raped by two different men. I thought to myself, I'm going to use men. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do what they did to me. I would not date white guys, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, or black guys. It was always Asian. Pick the Asian because they have the most money.

they're quick get in and out of there and make a lot of money quickly and it was so easy I took my clothes off and the guy sat there and he couldn't control himself so

got dressed, walked out took the money I was making deals with some of the managers and doing unethical sexual things to make it happen so technically I was still using my looks

and my sexuality to get what I needed to make myself successful with my partner. And he didn't know that part, by the way. So if you watch this video, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but yep, I sure was doing that. And when people accuse me that, oh, you got out because you were, you were all used up and you looked ugly. Who are these people that are accusing you of stuff? You'll be surprised.

You'll have them in your comments. Trust me, they'll be in these comments on this feed. You'll see them. And those are the haters. Hey, they're going to hate. Hey, they're going to hate. Look, who doesn't love money? Who doesn't need money to survive?

Duh, when I brought my boyfriend from Minnesota down to Las Vegas, the first night that I worked, he beat the living crap out of me. That was a really hard time of my life. I think back to that young girl. and I just I wish I would have left that night Hey this is Matt Cox and I am going to be doing an interview

with Annie Lobert she is a former call girl and currently runs an organization called Hookers for Jesus which I love the name and it's going to be an interesting interview I can tell because I can already tell she's a character and check it out. I was born in General Hospital, if you want to get real technical, on September 26 at 936 at night in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

All right. Can you hear my accent? Not really, but I don't know what a Minnesota accent sounds like. Well, Minnesota accent. says, hey, you know, I'd like you to come over to dinner and have some supper. Kind of like, is that kind of Canadian? Almost sounds Canadian. Yeah, a little, a little Canadian.

And then you would say to someone, hey, would you like a pop? You're like, what's a pop? This is like sounds like Fargo. Yeah, it's a little bit like Fargo. If you're in Minnesota a little too long, it can end up being like the Fargo accent, definitely. And it's called the O-A accent. It's also called the Too Nice or the Minnesota Nice. That's what people call it.

And back in the day, Minnesota was not really on the map except for Walter Mondale. If you can think of politics way back when, Walter Mondale, and he obviously became the vice, was he the vice president? I think he was. He was our governor as well for a minute. it. But Minnesota wasn't really on the map except for a couple Hollywood stars. I think Lonnie Anderson's one of them. And Bob Dylan. Hey, Bob Dylan. We got a music. And then we got, of course, we got someone that really put him on the map really well. His name was Prince Rogers Nelson and his whole entourage of Purple Rain and Prince of the Revolution, which I did actually know several of the

people with that whole entourage and knew one of the men that actually ran the music as director and was a friend of mine and I dated him for a little bit too before he became famous so yeah so I mean were you back to so your parents like were your parents married do you have brothers yes were you raised in my parents yeah I was raised in Minneapolis in the very beginning. As a little girl, though, I first was raised on a farm in Egan, Minnesota. Okay. And Cannon Falls as well. My dad had this crazy, itchy, let's move around. Let's go here. Let's go there. He could never stay in one place for too long. What did he do with? Many, many things?

My dad was in the Air Force, but then he got kicked out because he showed up hungover a lot. and he was drinking so they said you're out of here bro because guess what my dad did in the air force he was an airplane mechanic so you can't be an airplane no that's an issue or i mean yeah you can't be hung over because technically you might still be drunk right so my father got kicked out i think my dad felt very ashamed of that. And my dad started working at different companies. He would do maintenance. But let me tell you what would happen to him. He would end up getting the supervisor position wherever he worked. My dad was very smart. He could fix anything. Like anything like TV was broken. The lights turned off. The furnace shut off. My dad could figure out how to fix it. That's just the way

he was what about brothers sisters yeah i had two i have two brothers and a sister and i actually have a third brother that i didn't know about my dad was married prior to being married to my mother and we didn't find that about that till just a couple years ago my dad kept it very secret so i have an older brother that is in illinois and he's my oldest oldest brother i've only met him over the phone and then my full time two brothers my oldest brother and then my younger brother and then my sister She was the oldest of our entire family at the time that we knew of anyway. She died when she was 31. I was 26 at the time.

And she died of a massive heart attack. Her aortic valve burst in half. And no one gave her CPR at her job, which she was working for investors to diversified services. I don't know if you know what that is, but that is American Express Home Office, IDS, Financial. And I actually got a job at that company when I was 18 years old. But that's where my sister passed away, and after two weeks, they took her off the ventilator and let her die. It was horrific because she lost 18 minutes of oxygen, and any time you lose

18 minutes of oxygen, usually you have hypoxia. And hypoxia is a loss of oxygen to the brain tissue. When the brain loses the loss of oxygen, we know what happens next. Brain cells die. you become a vegetable, basically. Yeah. So my sister, you know, I got to see her pass away. And at the time, believe it or not, I was being sex trafficked during that entire episode of her dying. So I was pretty bitter by her death.

I was mad at God. I pretty much called God every swear word in the book. And I tried to kill myself. by, you know what, I've done many things with drugs, killing with drugs, but mostly the main tool I use in the very beginning of me trying to get rid of myself was driving my 5.0 Mustang, flooring the speedometer all the way to the floor, so 140 miles an hour, and then yelling at God with one hand, just flip the car, God, just flip the car. Take the rest of me out since you took my sister. I was so mad. And so, yeah, that was.

a part of my life that was really a hard time and the part that led up to that I know you're going to ask questions keep going I was going to say what led up to that what what is you know how old were you when this started how did it start so the first time that I got abused sexually was from a next door neighbor in Minneapolis and I learned about pornography I learned about toys, so just let your imagination run. How old are you? And I was eight years old. There's no little girl that should be seeing those type of things, by the way, eight years old.

But unfortunately, we have cell phones now. Guess what? Candy store for the kids. They can see whatever they want in that little box. My box is a sparkle box, though, because everything about me sparkles. But I never told anyone. I kept that so secret inside of me. So I was being abused for about a year, year and a half.

Might have been about two years, but I just didn't tell anyone. Is this an adult? Is this like an adult or is this another, like a teenager? Yeah, someone that was supposed to be a friend. Yeah. Okay. So I just never told anyone and I kept that secret inside of me.

Then when I was a teenager, I finally, you know, I've got all this anger inside of me because of that. But not only that, my daddy was hitting my mother in front of us kids and he was hitting us. He would come home from work and just rage and yell and scream and chain smoke his cigarettes. He was an alcoholic until I was about three. And then I remember him getting dry. And that's what they call it in the alcohol game. is you become, and when you're an unhealed alcoholic, you're called a dry drunk. So my dad came home from AA.

I think he went to the program for a month. He took off for about a month. Then he came back, but he went for a whole year. He did the full 12 months, the 12-step program, and came home with a little Bible. I don't forget like a little tiny little Bible. and I don't really remember him talking about the meetings or anything like that. I was a little girl still.

And I have a lot of my memories kind of fragmented. I don't know about you and your memories, but when you're in a traumatic situation. So I didn't know this at the time, but when I look back at my life, like if you look at it like a fishbowl and you're looking at different parts of your life, and you can kind of see where everything kind of takes a turn for the worst and the water start getting really dark and then the storm comes

and you're like, what's going on over here? I basically was living in a cesspool of complex trauma. And it's trauma ramped up about 10 or 20 times. So there's a difference between trauma, PTSD, and then complex trauma. So PTSD is a one-time-off event. So let's just say, for instance,

you have a car accident and someone died. that's total. You can get PTSD from that, right? You just can't. Or an earthquake happens and you witness people getting hurt or buildings falling in front of you or you witness a tornado

or someone gets raped. I don't want to bring up bad things, but it is or maybe one time they got sexually abused. One time you got beat up at school. You got bullied. That can cause PTSD if you don't get healed from that and if it doesn't ever get,

you know, a closure, so to speak, and you don't get to talk to someone about that. You carry that with you. Now, complex trauma, on the other hand, forms when it's happening on a repetitive basis. So you're in a situation where you can't leave, and you're stuck there. So dad, hitting mother, hitting us children, yelling at all of us, abusing all of us emotionally, mentally, and physically. staying in that life, staying with my family, not running away, that can actually create when you're from an abusive family like that severe complex trauma.

So as a setup for the enemy, because that's what the enemy wants us to have, is they want us to have, I should say us, people, the enemy, we all know the devil, right? and his minions, his demons, needs to have someone hurt, broken, afraid, full of fear, full of trauma for them to actually enter the sex industry. That's usually the setup. But actually, when I started school, I went to seven, eight different schools growing up. The reason why I went to seven or eight different schools is because my father, he would move somewhere and then move our family within a couple years we'd find a new spot

to move into which is so crazy random weird but i think my dad was chasing happiness nothing was ever good enough for him and by the way and rest let him rest in peace because he's in heaven now he had a antique addiction he had to have antiques all throughout our house so when i grew up we couldn't even roughhouse because there's antiques antiques everywhere. And you know what happens when you're a roughhouse, right, Matt? Things fall over. Things get broken. Lams get broken. Stanglass breaks in the windows. I mean, and trust me, that happened to all of us in our family growing up. But when I was a young girl in Minnesota, I went to, let's see, one, two, three, four different schools, four different schools and actually went to a private school as well my dad had this weird thing

happened when we were moving into fifth or sixth grade the school that i was going to in south minneapolis shut down and then they transferred us to this place called hands christian anderson school my dad didn't like it it was inner city he didn't want me to be around people that weren't all I guess my color. Yeah, he didn't want me to be mixed with Indians, Mexicans, and blacks, basically. And there's a lot of inner city.

I don't want to call it that, but there's just people. There's many different colors in South Minneapolis. It's the way it is, right? And there's white people too. But there is tension in Minneapolis. There always was, I saw it a long time ago. I used to be bullied in school. I was bullied by Indian girls.

I had these two twins that used to throw rocks at me and push me and choke me and throw me down, spit on me and stomp on me. I had a couple Indian girls at school. They did the same thing. And this is what's cool. As I had this girl named Cassie when I was in fifth grade and actually left parochial school, started going to Hans Christian Anderson. I was at the monkey bars the second day I was at school. And I remember her coming up. There were these two Indian girls, and they wanted to just basically kick my butt, right?

She stepped in front of them like superwoman, put her hands on her hips and said, if you want to hit her, you got to go through me. Okay, this girl was so drop dead gorgeous, she looked like Whitney Houston. And she was snapping her gum and she had long hair down to her butt and it was all real. And she was like, do you know these girls? And I was like, no. She goes, well, guess what? They're not going to mess with you ever again.

sure enough those girls never mess with me again and that girl became my best friend and it's funny because my dad had no idea just because you're in an inner city school it doesn't mean you're going to get corrupted or turn into a bad person like i met the best people when i was in that school i really did yeah there were bullies there but i'm i was like a minority i'm like a very rare white person didn't bother me too much i didn't think i was you know i didn't feel like a minority i knew i was but i didn't feel like one i just kind of felt special because i was you know i had like pink skin you know so but anyway how we ended up moving go ahead i was going to say how long were you there and you know what what's going on so we were we were at hans christian nerson for a couple

years and i was actually really upset with my father because cassie was one of my best friends and another girl named Brenda. And so when he moved us away from that school, he moved the entire family to Wisconsin about 75 miles away. I was devastated. The only thing back then, we didn't have cell phones. We could write our friends or call them long distance. And my mom and dad wouldn't let me call long distance because it costs money. So I could hardly ever talk to my friends. I would try to save my allowance to be able to make a phone call to my friends and say, hey, I'm going to come up and visit this summer.

And that's the only time I could see my friends was once a summer during school vacation. And the only reason why if I did go back to Minneapolis is because I'd go stay with my grandma and my grandpa for a week. Didn't you make new friends? I did, Matt. I did, Matt. But listen, when I first got to that school,

I was very shy and I know that doesn't make sense because of the way that I am now but I was like I think I was so afraid of being bullied again I kind of went into like a clamshell state where I didn't I didn't really want to talk to anybody and I just kind of kept to myself

but I ended up making some friends but I did get bullied at that school and that lasted until I was probably about ninth grade. Yeah, I got bullied that whole time. And it's funny because that school was all white kids. And maybe there was one of my girlfriends, she was black. And she actually married my brother, by the way.

She was the only black girl in the whole school. She became my friend. And I don't know why they bullied me. I don't really understand bullying and why kids do that because it doesn't make sense to me. I feel like there's something got to be wrong with you or maybe you were bullied yourself to make you want to do that to another child. I just don't understand the mentality. You know, I just don't. And if anyone tries to make me, I get it, the psychology part of it. But there is something inside of us.

that says yes and no, this is right or this is wrong. And to me, children can make a choice. It's a choice to be nice or a choice to be mean. So that was a hard experience. Then we moved again when I was in 10th grade. We, just before coming into 10th grade, we moved to another town in Wisconsin about 30 or 40 miles away to a totally new school, had to try to fit in again. This time, I wasn't having any shyness. I was like, you know what, I'm going to make friends, I'm going to have fun, I'm going to party with my friends. I had gotten drunk one time when I was 14.

I went and visited my sister in Minneapolis, and I went to my first Prince concert. So it's right when Purple Rain came out. That was like a magical time. for me, by the way. That was that whole movie and the whole scene of Prince and the whole crazy music scene that happened. I loved it. Like purple was my favorite color. It still is to this day. I love purple. I love pink too, but don't get me wrong. Purple is my friend too. So when I went to school, high school, the rest of high school, I started partying a lot with my friends and I made fast friends. Like I was friends with the, they called them the dirt ball.

the sports kids and then like the we have okay we had the dirt balls the sport the sports kids and then the druggies so there was three class of people you could hang out with i was friends with all of them because that's the way i am i love people i'm a people person i'm an extrovert so when i was going to the parties unfortunately because of what had happened to me as a little girl i had this boyfriend and he made me make him, I don't know, he was like the best thing that ever happened to me. I fell in love with them. I wanted to get married. I felt like if I'm going to give my virginity to someone, this is going to be the guy, you know, and he's going to be that guy. He's going to be the guy I married, have babies with. When we broke up and it devastated me. And so the next couple

months of parties that I went to I got completely take advantage of and I got raped by two different men one of them was 23 years old

and I don't know what he was doing at a teenage party like obviously the dude's a pedophile you know like dude what are you doing at a teenage party

like all of us kids are like 15, 16, 17, 17 and 18 years old what are you doing here bro but he raped me and I don't consider it like de virginizing though because I don't want to be graphic or mean but he wasn't very well endowed so and I'm not trying to cap on anybody but to me that wasn't a true diversionization even though he took advantage of me sexually I did devastate

me though and then I had another one of my best girlfriends her supposedly ex he raped me at a party as well and same thing with him he wasn't well endowed and so when my other boyfriend found out about this he lost it um he wasn't very happy and of course i was just like devastated as well we got back together and you called the police no i didn't know that i could. I mean, this is the 1980s, bro. Like, 1985, 84, 86, like, you don't call the cops. It's just, and it's a small town. You don't do that. If I admit that I'm at a party drinking, we're passing around joints and I'm having sex or I'm people are, I'm kissing men and I'm kissing boys taking my shirt off or they're taking my shirt off in other words because

I didn't usually take my shirt off it's usually a situation where I was drunk and they took my clothes off so it's still technically a rape even though I've been drinking we're playing quarters so I think I got really embittered as a young teenage girl and really upset with men and I didn't trust them anymore when I left high school the devil had my heart like i was like you know what f a man and i wish a man would like i i thought to myself i'm going to use men that's what i'm going to do i'm going to do what they did to me i'm going to use them for sex did did you stay in in minneapolis or did you stay in that area did you know what i at that time i was not minneapolis but i moved out

oh you in wisconsin yeah and then i moved to minneapolis i moved in with my sister got a job within a week got another job within a couple weeks after that like i had three jobs i was working at id s financial and then i was working at deluno's pizza on the weekends and then at night i worked at ichibon's japanese steakhouse tepaniaki they just closed it down last year i'm not very happy about that because you had to wear the kimono you had to wear the hotchi slippers you had to wear the toe socks that split your your two front toes in half like i was legitly a geish girl okay had my hair up with little chopsticks in it and just the you know there's another white girl that worked there but most of the ladies that were working that were Asian so I was very proud of

myself because I thought I'm going to get my own apartment I'm going to get my life together get my car, get my apartment, become a businesswoman, you know, have my own sort of entrepreneurship, something. I liked jewelry. I look at this little sparkle right here. Hey, got my little gem on today. I wanted to start my own jewelry business. And I never got the chance to. But one day, that's going to happen, one day. I ended up going out to the nightclub. because I had, you know, I loved to dance. Me and my girlfriend, we got, I borrowed her, one of my girlfriend's IDs. She was drinking age.

I wasn't. And I started going out to the nightclubs on the weekends. And then sometimes during the week, they had like Tuesday nights were ladies' night and Thursdays. So we would go out to Tuesdays and Thursdays and we would go dancing and drinking Long Island ice teas. One night that we were out, we were at this place called Marshals, which now it's called Choices. It is a strip club in downtown Minneapolis, currently right now. Anyone you all look it up is called Choices.

And the owner at the time, Marsh, he let me and my girlfriend in knowing we're underage, knowing that we were not legal. And we walk in there and we're sitting at the bar. we're like yeah we own this place we're hot we look good we got our mini skirts on you know i i remember that was the 80s so i had the padded giant jacket with my little tiny little mini skirt had my hair scooched up really high my hair kind of looks 80s right now doesn't it my hair was scoched up really high and i was uh just like totally like robert palmer The lights are on. You're not home.

I mean, might as well face it because you're addicted to love. That was me. I still somehow, though, Matt, I wanted to find the love of my life. I still wanted to find that one guy that could make my heart pitter, patter, and could make me feel like I was loved. Okay? That's the truth. And so I dated a couple different men off and on that were musicians.

and there was one guy that was not a musician that took advantage of me and he actually raped me because one of my girlfriends and I were hanging around with the wrong people. I'm just being honest before I met the traffickers, but this man got me pregnant and the way he got me pregnant was raping me. I found out I was pregnant and it was very, very devastating. I didn't want to have my baby. I didn't think it was a baby because plant parenthood told me it wasn't. They told me it was a cell, a clump of cells.

And I believe them. And I think I wanted to believe that. So I got an abortion. It was completely justified to me because the guy raped me. I wasn't ready to be a mom. No way. I needed to find myself. I needed to find who I was and I needed to make my mark on the world.

And I was not ready to be a mom, there. So I made that choice to do that. And I think that a lot of women out there that are watching right now and listening, they can understand why that would be something someone would do, especially if it's a rape. Because every time you look at that child, you think, oh, yeah, the dad raped me. So that's sad, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was, I don't want to cry, but that was a really, really, really hard time in my life. I was still, I was still innocent. How were you?

I was 18. So it was really hard on me, really, really hard. But I ended up, wow, I'm thinking back and I'm getting flashes of my memory. My memory is really, it's really choppy during these emotional times because I remember how I was thinking and how lonely I felt at the time because I was still, you know, subliminally angry at my father from all the things he had done to my mother. And even though I knew that hitting her and yelling at her was completely wrong, you know, it's weird. think we search for relationships that are very similar in nature, like the same personality type, the same charisma as our parents sometimes. My dad had a really good personality. Even though he was mean, my dad was, yeah, he was a charismatic, funny person. When he was being a good

guy he was the best like so fun to be around when he was in a good mood a lot of people in my mom and dad's life loved him you know when they didn't see the bad side of him but uh i ended up you know like i said going to that nightclub that night and my girlfriend and i were sitting at the bar and these two men walked in and they had furs on they had furze on yeah And my girlfriend and I, we were like, oh, look at these guys. And I was thinking of myself, man, they got money. These guys got money. There's no way they don't have money.

What is up with this, right? And my girlfriend starts talking to one of the men and then gets his number. And then the other guy kind of was like, no, I'm not giving you my number. Now, I did try on his fur coat, though. I did put on his sunglasses and took a picture. Yep, I sure did. because I wanted to show that I had a fur on. I was bragging.

And remember, back then, they were throwing paint on furs. I think in the early 90s anyway, this was still the 80s. So having a fur was still kind of like a neat thing to do. It was like an in-thing to have a mink or a fox fur or a chinchilla. It was the hip thing to do. My girlfriend called me. I was sitting at my desk at IDS Financial and she called me up and said,

hey, I am on the beach in Hawaii and you need to come out here because I am making all kinds of money. And see, my friend, she didn't have a father that she knew growing up. So her and I were a lot alike in a similar respect that we had no respect for our fathers because even though I had,

had a father. He was very absent for me emotionally, mentally, and even physically. Like, we never had talks. We never really had a heart to heart. We never really hung out. I was his daughter and the only relationship he really had was, Dad, can I go to the football game? And he would say, no, or he'd say yes. He would sit there and make me think and wait for a while before he told me yes. I would just shake and I'd be scared of his answer because sometimes he'd say no and then I would start falling my eyes out. So I really had this whole power control thing with my father and I was always afraid to ask him to do stuff. And so I think that when I got out of the house, I just I just went buck wild like buck wild. Now I went to church growing up. I was a Lutheran and I confessed

Jesus in my heart when I was about four or five years old. I remember getting the glow and dark cross from being a Lutheran. They had this cross they would give you. And then I actually got confirmed when I was, I think I was 13, 13 or 14 years old. I got confirmed in the Lutheran faith. And that goes along with like memorizing scripture and all the books of the Bible and I don't remember half of what I learned. I don't remember anything actually. All I know was is that church people are supposed to be nice, but I didn't see that in my church. I didn't feel it, didn't see it, thought everybody was rude, didn't particularly like anybody in my class. I just, I wasn't feeling at all. I felt like church people were fake.

And that love to them, they don't even know what love is. They're not real. And to me, that made God not relevant. It made Jesus far away. And I didn't get this whole thing about religion. And I didn't understand. They weren't teaching how to have a relationship with God at all. It was just like, thus says the Lord, repeat after this scripture.

We're going to him number 110. Then everybody stands up and sings them. and everybody sits down and you recite what they're saying. That's how it is in Lutheranism anyway, the Lutheranism that I grew up in. So I was totally turned off by how religion was presented in front of me. Right. So did you, what happened with your friend?

She invited you to Hawaii? Yeah, and I went. It was a $500 ticket, but she said that they would pay for it up front. and I could pay her back later. And I was like, okay. So I went and was totally like tripping out because I had never seen the ocean before, not in person. That was my first time seeing the ocean.

What a treat to see the ocean. From Hawaii. Yeah. Waikiki Beach. Are you kidding me? Hello. I'm a teenager. I'm looking.

No, I later did. But I went to the Oahu, which is, a smaller island. Okay. Kona's the big island. Kona's the one with the huge volcanoes and stuff. And there's other ones too, but Kona is the big, big island. But Oahu is a little smaller, and it's where the capital is, unfortunately, at Honolulu.

And, yeah, that whole vibe. That, da, ta, ta, ta, ta, Hawaii 50. Remember that show? Oh, my gosh. Book them, Danum. Book him, Dano. Book him, Dano. I love that show growing up.

So people don't even know what we're talking about. They're like, what? Some of them do. Some of my, my demographics, like, between 25 and 55. Okay. Well, I'm 50. I'm the top of your graphic. Do you know how old I am?

55. I am. You just said top of your graphic. How old are you? I'm 54. Okay. When's your birthday? July 2nd.

Ooh, you just had a birthday. Wow. You'll be 55 next year. Okay, cool. Anyway, so I got to Hawaii and I'm telling you that place was so intoxicating. I love the smell of it. I loved the heat. I loved the beach. I loved all the little like souvenir shops, the lays with the beautiful flowers. I love the fact that nobody could tell me what to do and I was there and I was with my friend and she was my best friend and we were just like running free running wild you know and the first night that I got there I got a fake ID I chose my name so my name were you I'm trying to think you had to be under 21 if you needed a fake ID. Yeah, I was under 21. I was either 18 or 19. Anyway, I was a teenager still.

That's what I remember. And I got a fake ID. It said, my name was Fallon York. Because if you get arrested for prostitution in Hawaii, you don't use your real name. That's what the people she was with, they told us not to use our real name. Now, I didn't know the whole reason behind that.

but now that I look back I totally get and understand why they did that it's because the pimps don't want you to have a record with your real name so you because you're breaking the law for them and you're making money well I didn't have a pimp her boyfriend became her pimp and I was in my mind I was like F a pimp I wish a pimp would like I didn't believe in pimps I was like, these, those pimps are nasty. I would never give my money to a pimp. I would never, this is my money. I earn this money, okay?

The first trick I ever turned, Matt, I didn't have to have sex. It was so easy. I took my clothes off. And the guy sat there and he couldn't control himself. So got dressed, walked out, took the money. Did you know going to Hawaii? This is what she was doing? Not 100%.

Because she told me, you know, you don't have to have sex. So I was like, oh, okay. So we're going to run. We're going to get the money and run, basically. That's what I thought. And I thought, oh, this is kind of dangerous. She goes, well, no, you mean, you're going to dance and stuff. And I was like, oh, okay.

But yeah, for more money, you get offered to do more things. So 500 bucks, take clothes off. 200 extra, 300 extra, 500 extra, different things can happen. $1,000 extra, more things can happen. And every price was a different price point because it's per customer and what they're wearing and how they're acting. And back then there was only Japanese clients. That's all we would do in that.

We call them buyers now, but I would not date white guys. I wouldn't date Hispanic, Middle Eastern. or or uh black guys it was always Asian pick the Asian because they have the most money they're quick get in and out of there and make a lot of money quickly I know that sounds really evil but um well in the 80s Japan oh they were slamming it they they were making great money off the United States I'm telling you they were

killing it and so that showed up in our pocketbooks and I went back to Minnesota after two weeks, didn't have a pimp, and started working the escort services right away, signed up for the escort service. And my first pimps was Bruce and Maggie. I didn't know they were pimps at the time, but I figured out that they were married, and they were running an escort service. And so I would negotiate the tip over the phone. They would get $40 service fee, and then I would tip the phone girl, depending on what I made on the call.

extra or not, I would tip them. So I didn't like it because I almost got killed twice. I had a guy pull out a shotgun on me. And then I had another guy pull out a machete. And I'm like, this is not what I signed up for. I quit. So I quit. And I started working stripping agency. I decided that I was going to be a stripper, exotic dancer and work bachelor parties. Then I got the notion because to me it wasn't making enough money like I needed to make more money but I was turning tricks a little bit I was like giving guys I don't mean to be graphic your people can handle this right I was giving guys BJs and hand jobs and doing extra stuff but like I said the money Minnesota money is not that great and the bachelor parties were always on the weekend so

you always had to like save your money and I'd be counting my money because I had my own place at this point, and I had a car payment. I was like, man, I got to make more money. So I decided to work for playtime. What is that? And it was an agency that booked clubs across Minnesota and Wisconsin. Yep. And my boss's name was Sill.

And so she would book me. Virgil was her boss. So Virgil and Sill would book us at all these clubs across Minnesota and Wisconsin. and we would go and we would work at these clubs and strip and make our tips. And I decided that I wasn't going to ever turn another trick because I started reading my Bible. This is a crazy part of the story. I met up with this guy that was working with Prince and he was reading the Bible to me. And he goes, what's the pager for?

And I said, none of your business. Get out of my freaking business, bro. He's like, well, I think you're a drug dealer. I'm like, really, dude? Really? No. Take another guess. I deal something else and it's not drugs. All right. So what ended up happening is I ended up being at the nightclub working at, and now it's called Spearmint Rhino, but it was called Skyway Lounge back then and in walks this gorgeous guy. And in the meantime, by the way, Matt, I'm in and out of different relationships with different men that were musicians that would break my heart like there was a man in a band called mazorati i met the lead singer and then he introduced me to one of his bandmates there were two actually and uh had a relationship with the first one he totally broke my heart and then i met the other guy that was in mazirati and he's the one that

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Like I was like, wow, he did not tell me he was a trafficker. He led on to me he was a drug dealer and I didn't like it. I was like, you need to get out of drug dealing. This is not good. I told him to dream about having my little own little, you know, jewelry store one day. And he thought it was great. He was like, you're so smart. You're so intelligent.

Wow. And I said, you know what? I'm going to tell you a secret. You know all these men here? They're really stupid. Guess what? They're all tricks. and I'm getting money from them on the side.

So I told him I was like turning tricks on the side. In other words, I was getting paid to do extra things after the show was done. Like I would hook up with certain guys that had more money. Like if you had 500 bucks, I was willing to go to a hotel somewhere, turn a trick real quick.

Because tip money on the stage thought as good as real, you know, backstage stuff. So he thought that was great. pretty soon the relationship i mean i'm telling you he moved in with me within like weeks like he was living with me and i'm like oh my gosh what is going on here and money went missing and i didn't connect the two i would hide at my house and then all of a sudden it would disappear somewhere it's like back then now my ex-pimp he admitted to me later in the relationship that he was the one taking my money but what ended up happening is

My girlfriend, she lived in Las Vegas, the one that went to Hawaii. So her pimp had houses all over the United States. He had houses in Chicago, Baltimore, his friends, too, Vegas, Minnesota, Hawaii. And so she went to Vegas, and she told me, girl the money in Vegas is off the hook off the chain girl you got to come here you this place is popping and i had already been to Vegas one time because when i got back the first time from hawaii i did a trip to los angeles to see my ex-boyfriend that's a whole other story he was in the

air force and actually motivated me to go to hawaii because i thought if i could see him again because i was so in love with them. We were with each other and I lived with them for a while and I was still square at the time and my heart was completely broken in half. I wanted to see him again. So that's what really motivated me to go to Hawaii because I wanted to see him again. I was like, I have to see him again. I'm in love with him and love motivated me to do a lot of things that I never would have necessarily done had I not been so naive and so in love. Like my heart was living. literally in the forefront of every decision that I made emotional decisions on every turn. I never really used my head except for when it came to the money.

I need to make my quick money. So this is where people get this traffic being so twisted. They're like, that's it. I got her. She admitted turning a trick without a pimp. She chose this life. It's her fault. she's not a victim she's never been a victim she was just a promiscuous slut that got paid that's what

people say about me and that's so wrong man it's so wrong because guess what when i brought my boyfriend from minnesota down to las Vegas the first night that it worked he beat the living crap out of me yeah shocked me joked me why did he do that he had to put himself in a position of power it's called breaking your hoe

it's what you do when you're a gorilla pimp to get control of your bitch your ho your whore your snow bunny because that's what I was called snow bunny money okay got it so he beat me that night put me in the back room locked me up took my beeper took my identification i had no way to leave my girlfriend was screaming in the back she was

like i'm calling the cops her pimp locked her up wouldn't let her leave the room and then the next day my pimp took me to a nasty motel and hid me there for almost three weeks while i was healing from all my bruises on my face and my neck and my body. Because he literally beat my face. Oh, my gosh. I looked like I was in a fight with Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali. My face was so messed up. Like we're talking, I could not see straight.

Both my eyes were shut. And I'm for sure had concussion, for sure. Wouldn't let me go to the hospital. My face was so puffy. my nose disappeared. See how my nose is right now? It disappeared into my face. I was so laden with bruises and, you know, damaged blood vessels in my, and by the way, both my eyes had red where the white is, completely broken blood vessels in my eyes. So when you opened, when you looked at me, it looked like I, yeah, it didn't look good. That was a really hard time of

my life. I think back to that young girl. And I just, I wish I would have left that night, that I wish I would have just ran down the street or something, but Matt, I had nowhere to go. He had all my pictures. He had every piece of history that I had with me. Like, he had all the pictures of my family. He had all my clothes. He had everything. He had everything. I had ever owned in his possession. He had the keys to my apartment of Minnesota. We still had the apartment in Minnesota. It was under my name.

He had the keys to my car. Just everything. How do you leave when you know the person's violent? Oh, when he's pistol whipping you too, by the way. Putting guns in your mouth saying, I wish a bitch would. I wish a punk bitch would, punk faggot white bitch. I wish you would. That's what he used to say to me.

so yeah he became my pimp and by the way i loved him i loved him i was thinking that my love could change him then i realized wow i'm in the same type of relationship as my mom was my daddy was labor trafficking in my mom. I look back now and I see he was in total control of her paycheck. He would buy things against her will. He would totally take control of everything. Hit her, beat her. And here I was, except I was being sex trafficked. The rule is you give the pimp 100% of the money. You have to give the escrow service their fee, which they're a pimp too. Then you give the phone girl her tip. She's kind of a sort of a pimp as well, even if she doesn't realize it.

Some of the phone girls don't realize that they were actually trafficking women without understanding that they have boyfriends that were controlling them and beating them and coerzing them and forcing them and lying to them, manipulating them, manipulating them, brainwashing them. Trafficking's very, very, it's very, gosh, there's so many words I can say about it. It's manipulation. It's isolation. It's emotional abuse. It's physical abuse. It's sexual abuse. It's rape. It's top and bottom like gender control. It's it's coercion. It's force. It's threatening. It's isolation. It's all these things that they use against you to keep you in a subservient position. where you cannot leave. And if you do, you will most certainly die

or someone you know close to you will die, your animal might get murdered as well. Or if you leave, you lose everything you ever, ever had in your life. Like all your possessions, gone. And when you are a material girl like I was, because I learned at a young age watching my father that you are what you own, okay? That I need to have things to be happy, right?

I need to have a car. A car is freedom. A driver's license is freedom. A bank account is freedom, right? A lot of different pretty outfits is freedom for a woman anyway, getting her nails done, getting her air done. If she doesn't have that, she's not free. So for me to leave, I would have to lose my ID,

lose my cell phone, which by then, cell phones were as big as this thing right here. Right. Is this what, the late 80s? By this point, early 90s? 87, 88. And by the time I left him, it was 1992, 91, 92. And you did this for five years with this guy?

Yes. In fact, the first, the first time I left, the phones had just came out the StarTac phone that was around about a couple years before I left actually remember the StarTac flip phones you could fold it in half the volume part and it would the phone was still about that big that thick you could open it up and go hello yeah hold on you know and hang it up and you could program numbers in there maybe only five or ten and it was very very the minimalist would call it a minimalist cell phone but yeah and they would live off cell towers and they would get really hot the batteries would get superheated and the batteries were about this

thick and you'd have to change them and crazy and so to leave without a phone without your page or without your identification without your car yeah and you can't keep your car because it's in his name even though he put half of the things in my name i could have still fought for it but i never did because I was too afraid to do that. You leave without all your pictures, anything. I had artwork that I had created, very beautiful artwork. I drew several different things that I treasured that I lost. Ultimately, in the end, I lost everything.

And then think about all the money that I made. You know? oh my gosh i i i just don't know like millions of dollars three four five million dollars more more than that gone and my body being ravaged by tricks buyers that raped me men that would choke me as they're having sex with me abuse slapping i mean men would pay to slap me and hit me and have with me while they're doing that. Does that sound insane to you? Sounds like they have a mistake. Yeah, well, I later, on the second half of my lifestyle of being a call girl, I was a dominance mistress because I needed to take my power back. So I decided to

not take any more abuse calls, and I decided to become a dominance mistress. Are you still with a boyfriend at this point? Or you've already, you've already left the pimp. I left, I left my pimp, but then I got with another pimp that was just as abusive, but he wasn't a pimp in the beginning. I told him he needed to act like my pimp because all the pips were hunting me down and looking for me. And they had spotters everywhere and handlers everywhere, and they were looking for me in the town. And so I would try to hide and do day shift and not work nights and my pimp somehow still found me. He would stalk me. So that was a really hard situation to get away from. If it wasn't for one of my other best girlfriend, she was actually

my wife-in-law. She actually saved my life. She lied to him and said I was going to be back, but I left. And that's the first time I left. And then I ended up, getting with this other guy that worked for a casino and he became my pimp and he was a very, very sick individual. He would lock me in the house and not let me have the key to get out and he would threaten me. I'm going to start a fire and if you don't do what I say, we're going to both die in here. And he actually had me bar by the bars for the house for the windows and the doors and stuff. It's crazy. I was with him for almost five years. And I finally got away because of my little brother. One of my phone girlfriends, I called her up. I got a rental truck to get some of my

furniture out that I had purchased, but it was already damaged because he took a knife and sliced the leather. I had a pink leather natuzzi couches. It was pearlized leather. It was beautiful. Specialty. ordered from Italy, he took a knife and sliced them all up. But I thought somehow I could get him like repaired and then never realized and I should have just bought another set of furniture, right? I didn't want to lose that. So my brother came that day and book club on Monday. Jim on Tuesday. Date night on Wednesday. Out on the town on Thursday. Quiet night in on Friday. It's good to have a routine.

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Did you stay in bed? And that was... I did. then long story short i had a trick get me out of the business and when i quit officially i quit the escort services on may 18th 1998 i got engaged to him on that date and so i was engaged to him until how long had you been seeing the the 2003 2000 4 you've been seeing the 2003-2004 you've been seeing the trick for about a year you know what I had known him since 92 okay so I kept in touch with him and I knew him for all those years he became my friend my confidant like I would

complain to him about everything and tell him and I want to get away from this guy and you know he wanted to help me so I stashed money and got my own apartment and my apartment was right next to his apartment that he had and he had just gotten divorced from his wife and he ran a body shop so I ended up moving into my apartment finally by myself and I got away from that last abuser yeah what what did you mean what were you doing then like were you still you know working that's a long you know what i'm saying like did you get a regular job okay so so i started working for his his body shop and here's what's crazy is we had accounts across the city and across the valley accounts to fix cars like dent repair bumper fender fender fender fender

and we had this company from Japan that came in and said, hey, we're going to show you this quick dent repair method. It was 30 second cure for the clear coat, 30 second cure for the primer, and 30 second cure for the bando. And it was amazing. It was Japanese technology. So they said, hey, we want you to open up our flagship store. So we did.

We opened up this place called Carismetics, and they gave us a million dollars. And we opened up the store and I was the operations manager of my job. I had 11 employees at the time. I learned a lot from that, by the way. I learned a lot from working at carismatics. And it was good the first couple of years. I got into a home. It was lease option to buy my first home ever to finally own for myself and my partner

at the time. And what sucks is I quit doing cocaine because I started doing cocaine in 1997. Then I quit in 1999. And in 2002, picked up the habit again. And for eight months, I went on a just total rampage. But by the way, in between that, I was getting all these dealer accounts for our business. Our business failed, but I was like turning tricks to get them. I was making deals with some of the managers and doing unethical, sexual things to make it happen. So technically, I was still using my looks and my sexuality to get what I needed to make myself successful with my partner. And he didn't know that part, by the way. So if you watch this video, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but yep, I sure was doing that.

But I was angry at him because I found out that he was calling the escort services again. And it busted my heart in half. I just thought that I was enough. He didn't have to do that. Like, why? That broke my heart. And I think that's what led into my doing cocaine again and just trying to escape my feelings. I had severe complex trauma and I had no idea how to get rid of these achy,

scared little girl triggering feelings that I was manifesting left and right and cocaine solved all my problems you know it just did made me feel normal I did a lot of coke I felt normal all of a sudden like I was still a virgin I was still happy and I was a young kid again you know because it raises your dopamine levels obviously it's cocaine right right and so I uh wow, I couldn't get up without it. I started to do so much Coke that I started smoking it at the end. And on August 2nd, 2003 is when I overdosed. And at the time, I had overdosed twice in one week.

I tried to kill myself before, though, in my car. But it was years earlier when my sister died when I was going through chemotherapy and radiation. And so the cocaine overdose was smoking it the first time and then passing out. And I remember calling my father going, Dad, I was so honest with them. I remember calling my mother and my father. And I told my daddy that I smoked cocaine. And he just was like, what? And I said, yeah, Dad.

He goes, Annie, he goes, you can't do that. Then he told me a story about having cocaine on the table. I'm like was blown away by that in the 70s he told me a story about having it at a party and he said he didn't want to do it because it scared him anyway I four days after that is when I actually overdosed

and had the ambulance come and get me and had a heart attack you had a heart how old were you? Oh gosh it was 2003 so it was August you know what I think

let's look at the calculator I can't remember I think I was in my 30s I was 35 I was 35 yep 35 years old in 2003

in 2003 yep yeah okay yeah I'm 55 now 68 right okay yeah 67 so August 2nd 2003 is when I overdosed okay and I have never gone back to the drugs since gone done finito that was the last time and basically um have led a sober lifestyle and then decided because I was reading my Bible and watching Christian television late at night

because I was up at night usually doing my drugs, right, for eight months straight. And I saw Joyce Meyer come on the television. I was like, who is this chick, man? She is off the chain wild. Like with that southern accent, you know, talking like this. Don't you know God loves you? And I'm like, this chick right now. Really?

And I actually had the audacity to believe that God loved me. Sure did. And I started having dreams about Jesus. And the dream I had of him was, he told me I was loved, I was beautiful, that he chose me and that he forgave me and that he wanted me to tell the girls that I knew and other girls that were stuck in the sex industry, that they're loved and that they're being. beautiful just like me, and that they don't have to do this anymore. They don't have to be stuck in slavery. So it was basically the love message. And that's what started the agency that I

run now. Yeah, I started going out to the strip, reaching out to the women, giving them my card, asking them if they need help to get away from their traffickers, their pimps. And then I would bring them to my own personal house, which is our original destiny house. Well, I didn't call it that back been, but I started bringing girls to my own home because I had nowhere to take them. Then I opened up the first house. And that was quite a crazy time, too, because I was single still. I wasn't married yet. And I lived there for almost a year. And then I got married to my husband, Oz Fox, from Striper, my rock star husband. We were engaged while I live there, the girls at the house. loved it. Back then we took children too. We had mothers and babies at that house. So we had a

house full of people. That was a really good time in my life. But I do remember getting married and then coming back from my honeymoon because I took a three-week honeymoon and I cried my eyes out because first of all, I loved being married. I loved it. But my husband had to go on a three-month tour with his band. So I wasn't going to see him for three months. That was hard. that was who man that was a test right there and i uh ended up finding other people to work at the house so i didn't have to be there all the time and who's funding this oh yeah i had my non-profit i filed for it in 2007 but i i was already doing the nonprofit work since 2004 2005. So nobody, I mean, I was like the church I was with at the time was giving us food,

food vouchers and gas vouchers for the car. And then they paid for the rent for the house because it was one of their intern homes. So that's how we were funding the house. It was crazy back then. And then now I have our own house that our nonprofit owns actually. And it's on a much larger property and there are several houses on the property. And we actually have another house off property, which is called Dreamhouse. So we have Destiny House now. And then we have Dream House. So we have a total of 18 beds right now. And so what do you do? You just, you go out to the strip, you and you just talk to girls and say, look, there's another way. You can get out of this situation. Yes. I mean, that's the thing is you offer them help. But,

you don't force them out. If they don't want to get out of that lifestyle, you can't, like, convince them to. But what you can do is talk about the life that you have now. And do you want to get free? Do you want to be able to choose your own career? Have your own car. Have your own house. Buy your own clothes. Have your own bank account. You know, here's the thing is that being out of that lifestyle gives you so many choices. You don't have to be stuck. selling your body for the rest of your life. Because listen, you're going to get old. You're going to age out of the system.

You're not going to look cute like you do right now. Like your body is not going to be flawless like it is now. Like when I left the industry, even though I was 35, I'm telling you, I look good still. Some people try to accuse me of getting out of the industry because I looked old. well take 20 years off this body right now and imagine my face and my body i look good okay i'm 55 i've had no plastic surgery except for obviously my chest and just saying dude i hated when people accuse me that oh you got out because you were you were all used up and you looked ugly who are these people that are accusing you of stuff you'll be surprised you'll have you'll have

in your comments. Trust me. They'll be in these comments on this feed. You'll see them. And those are the haters. Hey, they're going to hate. Hey, they're going to hate Romans 8. They're going to be here commenting. You'll see them and you'll know who they are. Because usually, to me, those people are actually buying the girls. They are saying, let's legalize prostitution. There's no trafficking. Those girls love what they do. They love sex. Really, dude? Do you know many orgasms I've faked in my life do you really think that I wasn't acting on all those tricks I turned are you that dumb like dude we're the best actresses in the world we should all have Oscars all of us so do girls ever get you know you ever do they ever come to the house and stay for

three weeks and then go back to the street sometimes I happens. There is a stat that happens that with women that are in the game and that have been in the sex industry, they go back five to seven times before they actually quit. And that's a really up and down stat. It's pretty average. For me, I left the game several times and quit and then came back. Quit came back. So I totally get that. Like sometimes you're just not ready or all the way done you know like obviously i'm a really good example right now i have been out completely for years upon years now and yeah i'm not going back there's no reason to and by the way i could i could because i still look good okay just saying i i mean we're just i'm making jokes right

now man i'm just you know i just these haters are just i just need to just flip them off i just don't need to be having negativity in my life and um that's one thing that i think that i lacked as a young girl was the confidence in myself to stand on my own two feet and to really love hungry now now what about now when a now when a Whenever it hits you, wherever you are, grab an O'Henry bar to satisfy your hunger. With its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating. Swing by a gas station and get an O'Henry today.

Oh hungry, oh Henry. Myself and believe in myself and understand that I am intelligent and God designed me a certain way, I'm colorful, I'm creative, I'm fun. I'm an artist, I'm a visionary, I'm a leader, I'm a type A, I'm a caloric, that's my high score on the, and my second is the yellow color, which is the sanguine. That's me. That's how I was built. And I love me. I love being who I am. I'm not perfect, never said I was, but I do enjoy being who I am in. I wouldn't have it any other way. I enjoy doing interviews like, this i enjoy talking about myself and about what's happened to me because i love to educate people

on trafficking and how it can happen um okay so go ahead ask the question well i mean i'm i'm thinking how to formulate the question is that right now this is you know this is what you're doing like what what what led to your you have a tv show right now that's on a Christian channel, correct? Is that right? Yes. I have a podcast as well. I'm on, I think, Spotify, Apple.

Come and check it out. It's called Annie's Pink Chair. Yeah. So I have that because I was offered that by a friend of mine. They saw me speak at an event in 2019. And they said, hey, I think you would be great if you were a talk show host. you're so good on camera, Annie, and you're so good with your words. And I was like, what?

And I prayed about it. Talk to my husband. We met with the couple. And that's the result of the chair that I'm sitting in right now. I said yes. And then got on this television network locally in Las Vegas only. And then all of a sudden, Tennessee opened up their doors to us to be aired in Tennessee and then Florida. So we were on the super channel for a while.

while you know what the super channel is no but yeah i i i can't remember what station is but there's a i think there's a couple and it's in the orlando area then i was there was a door open to do national on ctn which is dish direct tv both of those and then glory star which i don't i don't know what glory star is and then of course live online during you know a live streaming event so every Sunday at 8 o'clock, 8 p.m., whether that's Pacific, Eastern, Mountain, or Central. So people can watch us since it's called Annie's Pink Chair. Okay. Pretty cool, pretty cool for an ex-call girl, huh?

How long have you been doing this? The show? Yes. Oh, three years now. Yeah, three years. okay and i actually would really really enjoy uh continuing it and keeping the podcast going i like to interview people i'm very interested in other people's stories and i enjoy just talking just having conversations with people getting to know what people are and they're and you know that right

so the journey the journey of someone coming from their childhood to where they are now and what that looks like, and how did they get to where they're at? And I have so many people that want me to train them how to spot traffickers, train them how to look for people that are traffic, train, you know, HSI and the police, and I'm on our task force here in Las Vegas. Also, I'm on the advisory board as chair for the survivor part of it. And then, I mean, we train law enforcement, casinos, churches, just regular people, schools, colleges about trafficking and educate them on what it looks like in the United States,

right? The kind of particular trafficking that I was in, there is 25 official types of trafficking. My trafficking was sex and labor trafficking. So those are my two expertise right now. And then just having what I do as an opportunity, as a leader, being a survivor champion leader, that can show other people that are in the sex industry, look, this is not your only job. You can be a judge one day. You could be a police officer. You can be a lawyer if you want to.

You can have your own art studio. You can be a musician if you want. You can be a talk show host. You can run an internet company. I don't know, pick it, whatever you want, whatever flavor it looks like. Do it. Just do it.

Were you, I, how often do you do the podcast? Oh, it drops usually every week, every Friday. Okay. So it's tied into my TV show usually. So we try to keep it very successive, like every single week. And sometimes I take breaks for a couple weeks.

And the longest brick I think we took was like a month, two months maybe. So I think it's when I was not feeling well and I was in and out of the hospital. So we took a break. But yeah, I try to keep that going because people love that type of thing. they drive to work, put the headphones in, or they're working out. They put the conversation on their phone. It's just enlightening. And it's also, I try to get people on that have really cool stories that have overcome something

that was pretty major that they shouldn't have overcome, that usually the stats say they cannot make it. So I was going to tell you about Destiny House. Destiny House is a place where someone can come, get out of the sex industry. They can get the trauma therapy they never had, all the counseling they need, get stabilized because emotionally you're a whole wreck when you get out of the agency. When I first got out, I had PTSD off the chain, okay?

I was having like nervous anxiety attacks and Matt, I didn't know where they were coming from. I was ending up in the hospital. The doctors put me on Xanax. So I was on Xanax for like at least a half a year. Finally, I threw the pills down the, down the toilet because they were making me a zombie. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to deal with this, whatever this is.

And I didn't know that I was having anxiety attacks. I didn't know I was having post-Max stress disorder. I had no idea it was a symptom of me getting out of that lifestyle. Right. I didn't know I needed stabilization. I didn't know. Isn't that crazy? like I just it didn't dawn on me that my body was like reacting and just like getting triggered and

there was times I would pull my car over and I couldn't drive I call my friend up can you come get me why I can't drive like my mind is thinking you're going to die you're going to die you're going to die I'm telling myself I'm going to die and then I would just immediately just start praying Jesus peace help me Jesus peace help me I don't know what's going on I'm scared and then I would drink a bunch of water, and then finally, boom, about a half an hour layer of that episode. But I literally thought I was going to die. I wore a heart monitor on me for at least three months at a time to find out what was

wrong with my heart. And the doctors did tell me that my heart was spiking quite frequently during the anxiety attacks. So something was going on in my body, for sure. It's called trauma. So the girls come and get their trauma therapy. And then once we know that they're ready for stable, you know, they're stabilized. And they also have their own self-studies.

We're a Christian-led program. So they can pick from a bunch of different studies. And it's very individualized. And then if they want to go to church, they can. If they don't, they don't have to. They go to, you know, meetings for addiction, meetings for just, you know, self-discovery and encouragement. and spiritual gatherings as well, and then, you know, they get their own workout trainer. They learn how to cook their own meals and stuff. They have like dog therapy and then we have

horse therapy, which is really fun. Um, really helpful too. Like they've read, they completely brag about that. Then we do art therapy. So they paint. They do, uh, projects that they work on. they make things and do paper mache stuff and then the girls finally they get to this point where they're going to pick their career out so they look through a book and online website there's about 500 things to pick from and there's grants with these careers they pick and they get to go to school so they'll go to school from anywhere from two months to a year or two years depends on what they choose in the learning track and then we let them stay with us while they're doing the school. And then once they graduate, the people that we partner with help them get

placed in jobs. And so we partner with a bunch of people in our community. We work. See, it takes a village. It doesn't take just one person. You need a bunch of people working together. We help them, you know, get their records straightened out because their records are trashed after they get arrested so many times. I personally was arrested 25 times for what I used to do. Yeah. Whoa. my record is sealed so you can't look it up sorry these are misdemeanors right yeah mine are all misdemeanors correct

solicitation and loitering that's where my main charges and one to mess of violence charge because my ex-pimp I actually tried to take my power back he sold some money from me and choked me out locked me in the bathroom and then I went ballistic took a broom and started hitting him with it unfortunately the people in the neighborhood saw me doing it and they called the cops on me, I went to jail, even though he put

his hands on me first. But I didn't stitch on my pimp back then, so I didn't tell the cops that he was beating me first. So whatever, it's over and done with. So I ended up, you know, making sure that everything in our program is what I needed and more, things that I never got myself, that I really needed trauma counseling someone to guide me someone to help me someone to mold me and show me hey here's a better option choose this one this looks a lot better for you like and then when they get done with their school of course they get their job and then they save up for their car and they save up for their new place they're going to stay in and after they're done with the dream house because they move into the dream house when they have their job and when they're in their school

usually that's the track that they're in in the program and then they'll end up finding their permanent housing after that, which we are so excited about because this means so much success when they get to that point. After they've been with us for a little while, you know, a year, two years, three years, four years, they could stay with us for free, for free, 100%. We don't make them pay for anything. You know, they have their own little EBT card, but that's it. Everything else is provided for them. So, you know, we hope that they would be self-sufficient by the time they leave our dream house and into their own self you know independent living which we help find for them so we have an employee just dedicated for that task itself finding them permanent

housing permanent cheap housing so all right sounds good what yeah is there anything you think feel like we haven't covered well i would say to really really investigate who you give to because we are a nonprofit. We're a 501c3. Everything you give to us is taxed right off. We are audited every year. We have audited books. You can call us up and ask us to mail it to. We will mail it to you if you want to see where our money goes. Also our 990s are public. That's the report for a 501c3. And we are survivor led. And this is the sad thing, Matt, people, they do not support survivor-led initiatives. As sad as that sounds, I have seen it with my own eyes. I see these agencies that are not survivor-led get millions of

dollars. And then we're just sitting here going, huh, it's costing us between 26, it's like $2,700 to $3,200 a day to run our program. Okay? That's what it costs us to run that with 25 employees. Security guards are included in that, by the way. They're packing, too. Don't step on our properties. If you're not invited and you're trespassing, not a good idea. Okay. We have, we're packing, okay? So, and there's cameras everywhere, too. So everyone gets filmed. But we want to raise funds for our staff to take care of our clients. And we can't do that when people don't donate. So I have to make choices like,

do I shut the program down because we don't have enough to pay the house managers that are taking care of the girls? We don't have enough to pay someone that's driving them somewhere that's important like school. Like,

that doesn't make any sense to me. I don't want to say any names, but there's nonprofits out there getting millions and there's no after care we're the aftercare if they don't have us how do they get better is there do you got you have like a link or a yes me page or yeah you can go to hookers for jesus dot net or pink chair dot org click on the donate link tax right off and you can also wire us money we can give you

that information i'm probably going to put that on the website our bank count information you can also send us a money order. You can write us a check. You can make it out to pink chair if you want. You can make it out to Destiny House. I have DBAs and all those names. Okay, you don't have to make it, say, Hookers for Jesus. You can write it out, like I said, Destiny House or Pink Chair. We can still cash that check because, like I said, it all goes to the same not-profit, Hookers for Jesus. Well, I can put that in the description box, too. I'll give you those links. If you don't mind, I'll send those to you. And that way, your audience, the people that aren't hate on me right now saying that i'm not a victim and that i love this lifestyle and i

loved having sex with all these men and i love the money and look who doesn't love money who doesn't need money to survive duh hello you're doing this channel because why this is what you do for a living mat right it is believe it or not help a guy out you guys help Matt out. I'm going to be an advocate for you, Matt, okay? Help Matt out, okay? This guy is making a living off his YouTube channel. This is what he does. And I'm jealous of you, Matt, because I would like to do that. So you need to teach me, okay? Well, we'll definitely, we'll talk. My channel's very small right now, but I'm growing it. It's little, but hopefully some people will subscribe to it today. I'm going to start uploading some stuff up there pretty

soon in the next couple months. And it's right now it's on, it's called Hooker for Jesus. I do have an Annie LaBeer one too, which I'm going to be probably working on, you know, fixing that one as well. But right now we're on Instagram. We're on Twitter. Everyone hates Twitter now. X. It's called the X now. We're on Instagram as well. And my name, too. My name Annie LaBeer. If you wrote a check that Annie Lobert, it would be cashed into the agency because my name is a DBA. It's Annie LaBeer ministries. So yeah, we have a lot of choices. Annie LaBeer on the pink chair. you know my friend sam sorbo just pointed that out to me today i don't know if you know who that is no but she is married to kevin sorbo hercules yeah hercules so she was like annie just be

annie low bear why not do that that's so simple i was like you're right sam she kind of talked me into it yeah that's funny because i used to watch hercules when i was being trafficked and i I was wishing so bad that there would be a guy out there that could rescue me like that, like that could guide me and guard me and get rid of the bad guys. And at the time, I couldn't find anybody. So I'm so glad now that I'm married. And my husband is just the most amazing person you'd ever want to mean he's kind, he's funny, makes you laugh, he can play the guitar like nobody's business.

They just got nominated for a Dove Award, Striper did, the band that he's in. Hey, not too bad. They were also nominated for a Grammy when they were on MTV. So they're not dumb guys. They know what they're doing. They have been in their band for 40 years, Matt, 40 years, Striper. We'll put that in the description, too, and put a link to that as well. But yeah, it's cool because it's heavy metal, but it's rocking for Jesus.

They're singing about God. So pretty cool. all right i just am so proud of my husband he's just such a great advocate for us so but yeah does that sound awesome or what that sounds great pinkshare dot org hookishreadies dot net come hang out with us follow us uh you'll get educated trust me there's always new things i'm talking about and i've got a very wild perspective because i used to be a call girl oh and by the way i went with a lot of celebrities back in the day they used to call her escort services. Very famous leading men.

Yes, naughty boys. Hollywood was part of my trafficking as well. Well, for Annie. Annie, I appreciate it. You're welcome. I appreciate you taking time to talk to me. Oh, don't forget.

Last thing. We got this in English and Spanish. Oh yeah. We in the house with Fallon. See? You see that Spanish? And then we got the English version here. And then of course I am on downloadable on Amazon. My voice. This reads like a movie. You won't want to put it. You'll be like, girls, stop. Don't leave. That's my story that I just told you. But in a very detailed format, it's going to take you about six hours to get through this puppy. But it's worth every second. Trust me. You'll get educated. You'll get mad at me. You'll you'll cry with me and at the end you'll be very satisfied you'll be like dang that girl she's my friend now i feel like i know her so just come on over to my area of the town because i'll definitely give you a great entertainment you will not be bored with me at all hey i appreciate you guys checking out the interview uh if you liked it do me a favor and subscribe to the channel

hit the bell so get notified of videos just like this share the video leave me a comment like the video do all the things you're supposed to to do i really do appreciate it and i'll see you hey this is matt cox and i'm going to be interviewing balin enriquez correct yes yes so uh you were what was your indictment for um i was indicted for uh transporting women for purposes of prostitution and money laundering there was more charges but uh those are the substantive ones okay yeah Yeah, I always say bank fraud when it's like, I'm not going to, I could list them. Yes.

All right. So, and this was in what year? 2018. All right. So basically you were, you were bringing in, you were like a high-end madam bringing in women as an S to be escorts. I mean, I know you, you can, you can correct me. That's why I know, no.

You know, over the course of, what, back when was this, 2000? And so we started, um, 2000, end of 2015. Okay. Up until, um, more or less beginning of 2018. Um, so for about three years. Yes, for about three years. All right. Um, so and you're from Venezuela? No, you're from Ecuador. I'm from Ecuador. Yes. Okay. So you're from Ecuador. You came here when you were 21 years old.

Yes. And that was for, that was. That was. after you've been, you've been going to school. Um, yeah. So I was in, uh, med school in Ecuador and then, uh, I came here so that I could just, you know, because I didn't want to study medicine anymore. So I came here and, uh, decided to like, um, just take another path in life and, you know, I have a degree in management and I have, uh, master's in finance. So master's degree in finance.

So, so you came to the United States and what, what, what did you, What was initially what were you doing when you came? Well, I was going to school and I was also working three jobs because obviously, you know, like I didn't really come with a lot of things. So it was really hard and I mean, not as hard as like somebody without their green card, but, you know, I had to make sure that I was able to, you know, support myself and get a car and everything else. So, yeah, it was hard. What were some of those jobs?

Um, I used to work, um, I work at a doctor's office, uh, and I work at, uh, the mall and I work for like a store. So I had, you know, like my hours were crazy. I was working a lot of hours. So when did you and then you had, uh, were you married at that time or? No. I got married in, um, I came here in 2004. Um, and I got married in 2012. All right. And so. you got married and then it how did how did you eventually get into um you were saying uh companions right that the you were a companion yes i was yeah okay so um you know like i always kind of toy with the idea because uh you know i used to just think you know oh this is possible maybe you know like this would be like an ideal job for me because i was going to school at the time and i had a friend who also got in trouble but I didn't really know the extent of her activities

she was a companion too right and you know like this is an agency no this is just like an independent companion she was my friend you know when I was just like civilian let's say that's what we call them so you know like I knew that she was doing something right so with my idea of like oh you know maybe that's like a fun job whatever um you know i realized or she eventually told me that she was a companion also so i'm like okay

this is too much of a coincidence and she's the one that introduced me to my ex-husband because she was the one that was used to take pictures with him right he was a photographer yeah he was a photographer so she's the one that uh he used to take her pictures so um she introduced me and from that point on you know like we you know we became friends whatever and we ended up getting married so so the so how are you getting clients like i mean is there a website yes yes um so you advertise uh there's several websites um eros is one of them um you know heroes heroes heroes guide yes heroes guide they are the main website right now um and uh you know sometimes like there was other smaller websites uh p411 um you have the erotic review, which is

like the review website, like it's the Yelp for companions in a way. So you can advertise there, but I think that, you know, most of the better clientele comes from Eros. Sometimes at some point, Backpage 2, but obviously Backpage

had such a bad reputation towards the end, so that that's, you know, that's where the good clients come from. So you're saying so you explained to me earlier that, you you and the other women call yourself companions because basically escort being known as an escort has a bad connotation to it

it's you're thinking that as an escort you know typically it has some type of their sex involved but being a companion you were saying a lot of the times you're just you're just going with somebody to dinner or on vacation or that sort of thing yeah I mean and I feel like also people like you said it's right like there's a negative

connotation associated to that so being a companion is a more um you need to actually uh be uh more exclusive upscale um you know ideally you speak several languages not just one ideally you went to college or you're going to college because you're going to be dealing with a lot of very powerful people that probably won't be okay with just somebody that it's not doesn't really know how to um socialize or right you know behave so i i mean i actually i actually knew a guy when i was locked up his girlfriend there was an older guy he was like 75 years old and he had been retired his wife had died like i don't know 20 years earlier or something and she basically like they went to venice for two weeks they went you know she was young she was late 20s and she's going

with him to all these different places and and you know he he was like yeah and I was like so she's like an escort he's like yeah but she didn't sleep with him and I was like what and he's like no he's like he's 75 years old as you know he goes she basically just goes with him and you know she she she speak she spoke a couple different languages she and she traveled with him all over the place and I was like I don't I did I didn't why would he's like I don't know he's like He goes, I'm sure she, he would, but I don't know, maybe he was, I don't think, I don't know. I was going to say maybe, maybe she was lying to him, but the guy was 75, he was way older than her. And he, you know, he looked at her like a daughter or something.

And they just, he wanted someone to be there to hang out with him to spend time with. So, I mean, I'm sure a lot of times it's, it's much more than that. But in that case, like, I just remember him telling me this. And he would, oh, she just got back from Belgium. She just got back from. So. Yes. And you get to do.

And you get to do, like, incredible things in that line of work, right? Things that you probably, probably just as a regular person, you would never be able to do. Right. So, yeah, I mean, people think that it's just about being, you know, intimate with clients. And that's not always the case because, you know, some people don't necessarily want that. Some people just want to be next to a beautiful woman at a restaurant or, like, go on vacation and, you know, like, enjoy the. conversation and you know just someone that they can go to dinner with right so um and obviously that requires compensation so that's the misconception well so but at some point you opened your own

place correct and how did how did that take place well i mean i think it's uh you're basically running it yourself anyway you started doing it for other girls yes because i think that it's a right? Everybody like, you know, when you like like something and you're pretty good at it, you're like, okay, let me scale up, right? I want to be like a business owner. I always wanted to be a business owner anyway. So my ex-husband was like, okay, you know, like you're very successful on what you're doing. You know, I had a smaller agency that only did Miami, which, you know, it was much easier for me. But he was like, you know, I'm going to introduce you to my, you know, former business partner who's also in my indictment. so he's the one that connected us so that we can expand together because she was also his client he used to take her pictures as an independent companion

and he used to take the pictures of the girls that work for her so you know in retrospect I feel like he also did it to benefit himself because the bigger we got the more business he'll get right the more you know the busier he'll be

which, you know, ended up being the case and the reason why he got indicted. Right. So, but... I saw on the indictment that there was the photography business was money

was being run through the photography. No, no. What happened was that by him referring, I mean, it's conspiracy. That was one of the charges too. So he did something

to further our activities and, you know, he was referring girls to us. Okay. So he was getting referral fees from us. So he was in, more besides being a photographer so well i mean i i guess maybe i i made that leap because in the

indictment there's like you know there's this this account had 400 and some odd thousand going through it this account had you know whatever 80 000 this account like they were showing these different accounts that had money going through them and it was in the same general area i assumed it was through the yeah he loaned their money too because obviously he was getting uh paid with proceeds over activities and at the same time he was getting kickbacks from us or like referral fees and he was also taking pictures. So yeah, he was very involved.

So basically, so what did you do? You set up a website and then you start what you had the girls do because of some kind of a shoot. Yes. So, I mean, you know, we run our agencies like regular companies in the sense that we had a website, we had an office, we had a full-time staff, marketing, yeah, so mainly websites and make sure that we had a great customer service. We had a lot of also booking forms. So yeah, it was pretty

organized. It was, you know, very organized. Right. Where were the bulk of the women coming from? Mainly they were from South America. They were from Venezuela, Colombia. Some of them were from Europe. But yeah, I mean, they came voluntarily. Nobody forced them to come, you know. But obviously, you know, it's understandable that they were coming because, you know, where they came from, it was really bad.

Yeah, of course. Right. So, so they're coming in for what, like 90 days? And they work for 90 days? and then they go back or yeah whatever because one had mentioned yeah of course uh well i mean we never encouraged them to overstay like i i always made that clear because i didn't want to deal with them staying here illegally working you know with us then it's an issue from them to come back too yeah yeah yeah and you know like obviously uh i wanted to make sure that we didn't have a lot of

liability on that sense and uh you know so they stayed for whatever time they got their visa for or like be allowed to come for so and then they went back they stayed in their country for a little bit or do whatever they needed to do and then they came back whenever they were able to come back so so what kind of like what kind of money are they making i mean what kind of they made a lot of money yeah he made a lot of money like some of them made like 10 grand a week right so um yeah i mean and not only that i mean not only they made money just because of their donations, let's say, because that's what we call them,

like the considerations that the clients pay, but they were also getting gifts and different things. You know, the clients are very generous, so, you know, so they wanted to make sure that the girls were happy and they would get tips, so, yeah. Okay, so how long did this go on? Were there any issues? Like, like, what kind of issue?

issues we had issues we had issues and mainly issues because i feel like some girls didn't understand that this was a real business this was not a fly-by-night operation where like you know you set up shop and you're like start sending them clients no i mean we were serious about what we were doing um and they didn't follow the rules so they would uh be loud in hotel so sometimes like you know the cops will show up or like they would not follow our safety protocol so sometimes you know clients took their stuff even though we told them like you know they need to like secure their personal property or they need to secure the donation so you know like yes and there was there was times where cops showed up but you just have to deal with it right you know or some girls were like

intoxicated which is something that it was frowned upon So, yeah, there were issues. And the clients were coming from, what, all over the United States? Like, the girls are coming from all over the world? The clients are within the United States? Are they in other countries? What happened was that we used to send the girls on tour for a week. So we would send them to North Carolina.

We would send them to Pennsylvania. We would send them to Ohio, different parts of the United States. So, like, we had a large, large list of clients. So because we did so much marketing, then the clients would go see them at their hotel like during that week. So they would fly all over the United States. Like I had like sometimes 18, 20 girls working in one week in 18, 20 different cities. And are you like arranging like their flights? I mean, are these, and the clients are the clients are paying your company and then you're arranging everything?

No, the clients, no. we would send them like weekly somewhere right so the girls were able they were responsible for taking care of their travel and everything else because to me that was the main crime like facilitating or transporting them right and i was totally against it but you know i'm not going to take less responsibility for it because i fully knew that my business partner was on board for doing this because sometimes they would be like oh i don't have any money okay let us pay for your ticket let us pay for your hotel and then you can go work and you can refund us but um i didn't want to do that but you know it had to be done because otherwise they couldn't work so how are you getting paid like

if the clients aren't paying you directly they're paying they're paying the girls and the girls would go to the bank no the girls would go to the bank and make deposits every day and that was the other problem because obviously you know the banks were raising red flags like a suspicious activity reports like they call it. So they were sending this information to the government because the deposits were, I think at some point they thought that we were doing structuring. But it was not like that because obviously like, you know, sometimes it would be less than $1,000 every, every, it was, you know, like minimal quantity.

So they probably thought that, you know, we were running some sort of funky thing. Structuring is when you're trying cash a check, for instance, you try and cash a check under, or you get multiple, you're getting a payment of over 10,000. thousand dollars and you're pulling cash out but you try and structure it in a way that you can catch out less than the reporting so you do it in small like bits and pieces of uh deposit so that you don't walk in and say i need 12 000 in cash because you know that's going to be a CCR or you know it's going to be a um you know it's going to be a suspicious activity so you say give me five and then and give me a money order for this and then two days later you say give me another

three thousand and just try and keep it they're saying when you said structuring most people don't know structure yeah of course so like i think that was the suspicious at the beginning because they were like oh there's deposits for like you know like every day like for a thousand for 500 for 600 in different parts of the united states so they were like you know uh suspicious of that and then you know like they started closing our accounts so yeah it was very complicated yeah it's an issue i know it's an issue um um so i mean this went on for like three years years like yeah like were there i mean did any of the girls get arrested or no none of our girls got arrested ever so what was actually so what was the government saying that you had actually done

that was illegal illegal that you were you were facilitating prostitution is illegal um you know it shouldn't be right but it is um obviously i was breaking the law right by uh facilitating them to commit prostitution they were not forced they were not coercive they were like adults willing adults doing this but obviously I had some part of responsibility into making sure that they were doing that so and I was benefit I was getting a benefit from their activities so I was laundering money as well so how did the the whole I mean how the whole case kind of like unravel yeah unravel because I mean you know you're saying you weren't there were no arrest like you didn't see this coming well did it just come out of nowhere do you kind of

Well, I feel like, you know, because all these women coming through the airport, really young girls that were coming frequently to the United States with no job or like non-occupation from like Venezuela, Colombia and everything, yeah, they, you know, it raised red flags for the feds. And at the same time, I don't have confirmation of this, but I feel like that's one of the reasons. Eros Guide, the website that I was telling you about. they got rated so when you advertise with them you have to send your passport or your

ID so they know who you are so I suspect that when they rated Eros all that database and everything the feds had it so it was just a matter of time okay like you know she owns this here's her passport and this girls work for her so it's a matter of like matching that with like them coming and going get stopped at the airport probable cause of them coming in prostitution so get one of the girls have the girls flip and then we have everybody and this is what happened all right the bank and you know right right well i mean so did did you know there was an investigation going on at any time or did you just one day did you get rated no we never got rated um you got a letter because uh no what happened was that uh you know we knew like girls started

to get like picked up at the airport um so we were like oh my god you know this is not good But we didn't... With a client? No, by themselves. The girls were coming. They weren't even working for me at the time. Right. Some of them.

This is after the fact. They had gone to do their thing. I suspect that maybe, like maybe, I don't have confirmation of this, but I, you know, I heard that one of them was bringing drugs here. So in order for her to, like, get out of his, her mess, she turned on us. So, but I don't have confirmation of that. But, you know, it's something I, it's, I could. consider so um so yeah so they started getting picked up they started getting calls from the agents and

everything you know and we knew that at some point um we were going to get picked up and we just kept working and we got picked up so so how how did that happen well it was may 31st 2018 um i used to live in uh in an apartment in midtown um so yeah the feds just came knocking at my door And the thing is like, the crazy thing, my ex-husband got picked up. He didn't get picked up first. They did a search warrant at the studio. And they got like his computers and everything else. But I mean, so our attorney at the time was the same attorney that was representing him and helping him with that.

So the attorney was like, don't worry about it. You know, like, we'll take care of this instead of being proactive and saying, listen, like, you know, they are after you guys let's like go talk to them maybe we can like do some damage control here no he was like don't worry uh everything is okay i don't think anything is going to happen that happened in i'll say april 2018 and a month after we got picked up so yeah it was terrible yeah so you definitely know it was coming um i knew it was i mean it's weird because like i told you our attorney was assuring us that nothing was going to happen yet they you know and even when I got picked up I was like okay this guy claims that it's not that bad so maybe he knows something I don't know but at the

end I realized that he was a con artist so right you know that was a problem too yeah yeah he took I mean and if he's listening I hope that he ever he gets this bar because that's what he deserves for taking money from people and uh creating unnecessary conflicts and all those things. It's a license to steal. Yeah. Give me one second. Okay, so today's podcast is sponsored by me, and here's why.

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I was thinking the other day, I had three attorneys before we even got picked up. And they were all con artists. And then the fourth attorney was another corner artist. So like, you know, my only, my only, you know, my only history with attorneys was that, okay, maybe all of them are like that. But, you know, I wasn't in trouble back then. And when I got, you know, when I was in trouble, then this guy just, you know, he completely screwed us. Yeah. Give me $25,000. Oh, no.

I mean. I'm friends with the door, whatever, 50 or whatever. I'm friends with the judge. I'm going to get this quash. It's not going to be a big deal. That was another attorney. I had, you know, throughout my case. I'm friends with your judge.

I have lunch with your judge. I got your prosecutor his job, and that's another one. I hope she gets this bar too. It's funny. I've met guys in Coleman that were arrested, and they had the same attorney, and they would get arrested on like a state charge that was clearly going to go federal. And the lawyer would say, look, I don't do federal. I do state.

It's, you know, give me this much money. I'm going to take care of anything that happens, state. I've got you. I've got you. Well, do you think it's going to go federal? I wouldn't even worry about it going federal because there's no way this is going federal. It's not big enough. But he already knows it's going federal.

You're transporting drugs between multiple state lines. You got caught driving over from Georgia to Florida with drugs. Like it's going federal. And they're 20 grand and they take 20 grand and they know that two weeks later it's going to go federal. And then they go, yeah, I don't do federal. I'm sorry. Or they are like, oh, I got your case dismissed. Yes, because the feds pick it up.

Yeah. Yeah, they'll pick, yeah, I got your release. still pick you up. They're going to pick you up on the courtroom steps. As you're walking out of the holdover, they're going to grab you. Yeah, and attorneys, I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I work for one who's very ethical, but most of them are very unethical because they know that you're desperate.

They know that they don't want to spend a lot of time in prison. And they know that whatever you have left, you'll spend not to do that. And, you know, they take your money, they disappear. They promise you things that are not even possible. and next thing you know, you're, like, going away for a long time. It's funny. My first attorney I paid,

first time I got in trouble, I paid $75,000. And he was like, when I first talked to him, he went over the sentencing guidelines with me and explained to me that when he showed me the guidelines, like he's telling me what this line means,

what this line means. He's like, you're right here. That's basically, that's three years in prison plus probation. I was like, are you serious? Now, keep in mind, nothing changed in my case. So give me $75,000 and I'm going to try and get you probation.

Give him the $75,000. Now that I understand the sentence and guidelines and I look back and I know what the graph means, I was never facing prison. It was always probation. So he got me three years probation. But the truth is I was never, I could have gone to a public defender and gotten probation. I paid him $75,000. I got three years probation, which I was always facing.

But he, I was terrified. like I'm ready to give you everything I got to keep me out of prison and you know so I mean now I you know now you know better and hopefully I never have to talk to another attorney in that position anyway yeah so it's hard yeah it's it's bad it's like you know look it it's important to pick the right attorney yes very I had I had a I had a client listen I know a guy one time his family picked an attorney because simply because he spoke Spanish but the but the guy actually spoke, the guy actually spoke English, but he also spoke Spanish. So why would you pick it who would do that? That's ridiculous. That's what that was your, I did, I wrote a story on a guy

named Doug Dodd. His family picked his attorney because his first name was Doug. His dad's first name was Doug. And he said, yeah, you know, it's Doug, Doug, Doug, so I just felt good about him. Oh my God. That's what, and he paid him 40 grand. You paid him 40 grand? Because his name's Doug. what are you doing what you doing so anyway yeah yeah but you know like just to elaborate on that because it's very important right a lot of people like you like you know myself um you know and some people are they go uh in hire retain attorneys because of the name no that's not i mean i don't know i wouldn't want to do that either i mean maybe but sometimes you don't ever know yeah you hire the firm and then they end up giving your case to an associate

You're not even going to get the main guy. Yeah, I've seen that quite a few times. So you got to be careful. I know a guy that you walked around Coleman talking about how he had a Dershowitz as his attorney. And he did. But you didn't have like Alan Dershowitz. You had like his cousin was like Tom Dershowitz who also happens to be like, what are you doing? Yeah.

What do you? Yeah. Well, yeah, but his, you know, he can call him any time. What are you doing? You know, anyway. So you got. got grabbed. Did you get probation? I mean, I'm not probation. I'm sorry. Did you get out on bond? Yes. I was, yeah. I was out on bond. Well, I mean, I had to wait because, again, my case didn't involve coercion. It didn't involve minors. I mean, it was like mainly money laundering and, you know, transporting this women. At the beginning, yeah, my bond was, what was it, 250,000 with a nevia condition.

Yeah. What's a nebia? Nevia is you have to make sure that the funds that you're paying your bond are clear. Oh, okay. The funds that you're paying your bond with are clear. So you had a Nevia condition. Okay. Which we met.

And then, you know, like I was out on bond for like eight months. And then, you know, I had to go in, go back in again. And you were sentenced to? I was sentenced to 15 months by one of the best judges in the world. I love her. amazing um yeah you don't hear that you don't hear that a lot i love her she's the like the most amazing person and i mean thanks to her is that i got the time that i got because had it been for my attorneys i would have gotten the maximum she is you know an incredible person she's very

kind she's very wise um you know and she saw it right through that you know what they were trying to give me what the government wanted it was unfair what did the government want to give Um, I was, my guidelines were, uh, 31 to 37. Um, I ended up getting 15. Yes, 31 to 37 months. And I ended up. First time offender. 31, 30s. Yeah. So what? 13. 17, about what? 10 to 15 years? No, 31 to 7 months. Oh, months. I thought you meant. Okay. No, 31 to 37 months. But still, like, you know, for the conduct, it was excessive. It was a lot because there was no coercion, no nothing. Like adults. Yeah, yeah, no, and nobody's, nobody's, nobody's, nobody's, nobody, no, you know, they were willing participants, like, you know, they were free to come and go as they please, but, you know, so the judge saw it right through and, you know, she gave me, you know, she gave me what's just. It was reasonable, yeah, it was reasonable. Yeah, I didn't get bond. When they caught me, I had three or four passports on me. Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, that was upsetting. Fly risk.

Yeah. I mean, I told me, I'm good for it. I'll be here. I'm not going. I'll be. Okay. So what did you do your time? Federal detention center in Miami.

In the detention? You never went to an actual prison? No. Because my security level, because of the, I mean, it's weird because, again, my attorneys advised me incorrectly to plead through something instead of the other thing. Right. So I pled to the charge that because they have no idea about. what happens in prisons or how you get designated or like your security level right uh my charge

it's somehow a sex offense even though it's not a sex offense it has a sexual component but i'm not a sex offender right so do you have to register no no no because again there was no contact or no enticement or any of that the sex offender registry you know it's pretty broad like they'll they'll put anybody in it like you don't have to yeah you know yeah yeah So I was wondering if, yeah, I mean, and that was another mistake that was made at the beginning because, you know, they didn't, my attorney didn't read anything correctly. So they had to fix that. But no, I mean, you know, but that caused me to end up like, you know, my security level was higher. So I couldn't qualify for camp.

Had I pled to money laundering, I would have qualified for camp. Right. But no. I had to go to detention center, which is. like administrative facility so it's a low it's a security level low yeah so where um so how long have you been out um i got out january 24 2020 so about about year and a half yes you're already working uh you already have a job working for a law firm and you're on probation and you're you're doing well or yeah i'm you know fine i'm fine i'm going to law school hopefully in august so

That was, I was supposed to be in law school when this happened, but obviously that didn't happen. So I'm back on track. Did you ever fight, did you ever follow 2255 or anything? Or you just, I wanted to. I wanted to. But because I was waiting for a rule 35 because I cooperated, then my attorney at the time didn't think it was a good idea because you're either with the government or against the government. So creating 2255 is not going to get you a rule 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, definitely. so all right everything's yeah oh all right good i got a few questions just maybe you know my help with the title i guess what is like the most money you'd say someone made in like whether it was a weekend or a trip over to america um something like that because like you know you title video making certain amount of money oh yeah yeah so so yeah it's the most um Well, I mean, look, sometimes it could be 10,000 on a weekend. Sometimes it could be a little bit more. So, yeah, I mean, depends on...

So there were girls that were making 10,000 a weekend? Yes. I mean, obviously they have to, you know, they have to pay the referral fee to the agency. But they, you know, they got to keep a chunk of money. And, you know, that's the thing. We always took care of the girls. Right.

We were never greedy. Like, we always wanted to make sure that. that we told everything up front, you know, but they were doing well. And that's why they kept coming back. We didn't keep them like prisoners or anything. You know, they would go and come back. So they're coming to the United States for 90 days or so. And then going back to Colombia with 30 or 50 or 100 or 60, 70, 70.

And if some of the girls were making like, had made like, was it like 80 grand or some of these? I mean, some of them made a lot of money. And so they're going back to Columbia with 80 grand. That's like $400,000 or something in the U.S. That's a chunk of money. You know, and in retrospect, I'm, you know, I'm glad that I was able to help them, you know, have a better life. Because obviously with that, some of them bought apartments. Some of them went back to college.

They were able to help their family. So, yeah, a lot of, you know, they were able to accomplish a lot. Well, they were, you know, working here, so, you know. Any other questions? Yeah, I mean, throughout the whole process, any, like, when something goes wrong or any crazy stories that, I mean, there's great, like I said, you know, there was cops that, you know, would, like, knock on their door and they would freak out and everything, so.

Are they calling you at this time? Like, are they calling you to say, hey, the cops are here or? Well, I mean, we retained an attorney that he was in-house counsel. So he, you know, he prepare our protocol and everything. So they were supposed to call him. But sometimes, you know, they didn't call him. They call me or whoever. But, you know, like we had to tell them to stay calm.

And, you know, sometimes, like, in reality, it wasn't even related to what they were doing. It was just related to, like, you know, yeah, like, you know, things like that. Or maybe, I mean, remember. I mean, I'm not going to say that maybe a couple of times it was because of that, because, you know, like, they were not discreet enough because we wanted them to, like, not be walking around the hotel with, like, provocative clothes, you know, and just be understated. Right. But isn't that inevitable? And, you know, but you just have to deal with it and make sure that they are safe. That was, you know, the main thing that they don't freak out, that they don't feel like we leave them hanging.

So, yeah. So what's kind of like the rules that you give somebody? they just started like a quick run back well i had a caught of conduct like you know i was reading that the other day uh you know i was like wow i mean i can't believe i even wrote this but um yeah it's crazy it's like you know what they give you an introduction when you apply for like a job or something so um well i mean you know like they had to be um uh look look good you know like like appearance demeanor be professional treat clients ride because you know obviously there was reviews written so you don't want clients to write like negative things about them or else because

they would have been a mess you know just keep keep the rooms clean because they were in hotels and sometimes they leave everything a mess you know and always be safe always make sure that you know whoever we're telling you that you're meeting with, that you make sure that you're meeting with that person, check their ID, follow the rules, no drugs, no alcohol,

you know, always constantly check in with us, talk to us, let us know, you know, you want to go on a break, let us know, so that way we are not messing up your,

and, you know, and like, just be responsible because a lot of these girls, unfortunately, like they you know they don't they never had a job before right so they don't know how to behave and you know we try to train them and make sure that you know they were compliant with you know the rules

that they were there for a reason right so so but at no point when these guys are contacted they're not they're basically contacting him saying hey i need i need a i need someone to show up and go to dinner or whatever they're not calling up and saying hey i need i need someone to come by my place and have sex? No. That was, no. We would never book anybody that talk explicitly to explicit in that explicit manner to us because first of all, it's a red flag. You should never do that. And second of all, it's in poor taste. I feel like, you know, you should never do that. Because you wouldn't do it to a civilian. Maybe, I mean, you would, but especially to us that we have so much liability. Why would we put out, why would we want to put ourselves out there like that?

Could be a cop. But the guy. But they kind of know it's, it's very possible this is where this could lead. Like, I mean, are these girls? Obviously, but if you think about it, even in the context of like the regular war, like, yeah, going on a date or whatever. What do you guys expect? Like, you're taking a girl out to dinner. Like, you know, you hope that eventually if, you know, the stars align, that something is going to happen. And, you know, we all know what's going on.

But are you suggesting that men take women out to dinner and buy them dinner expecting sex? I mean, that's, hi. Hi. I'm not going to sit here and listen to that. No, go ahead. Of course. I mean, you know, like, but I mean, I'm not going to deny. Maybe some men want to get to know, you know,

whoever they are taking out to dinner. But, I mean, there's expectations, right? The girl expects to be treated a certain way. The guy expects to, you know, receive something in return. I mean, it could be that the girl kisses him. It could be that the girl holds his hand. But it could be that the girl, you know, if the chemistry is right, maybe they go somewhere.

Really, they're just saying, hey, wanted to come by, have dinner, be a companion, hang out. And then nobody's, okay, so nobody's ever saying anything about sex. They're just saying, let's hang out. Well, I mean, look, and they had their, the reason why they stayed in hotels is because clients would come to see them in hotels for, it was an hourly thing. Mainly people book for an hour because they, these were really busy people. So the girls would stay in a hotel. Clines would book appointments and then we'll book them. some of them were dinner dates some of them decided to take them on weekend vacation

but mainly they were hourly appointments okay so um you know volume like seeing a lot of people so i'm a big fan of volume so what else anything so like your business like what you're really you're really very curious about this you know something to think about so like how you had your business set up to an outsider like if they look at your business like what would they think it was i mean they would think it's just a regular legitimate business it's an i mean and again like it's not illegal it's not illegal to hire an escort to come and have dinner with you that's not illegal it's not illegal to provide compensation in like to compensate someone for their time right right because that's the premise that

i mean i thought that we were safe in that area but then when you have like you know like when that transpires into something else that's when you're breaking the law and obviously you know it's like catch 22 you're not compensating somebody without the expectation that they something else is going to happen so yeah but you know that's a great area i guess my one last question is like was there one point for you where you knew that it could scale like into a business or like was there like a moment of realization for you that you knew that you can scale this yes i mean look it was i mean we wanted to open as many agencies as possible even though we were the biggest ones like we wanted to open as many as possible we even thought about opening somewhere else in other countries and everything else but um it was very stressful too because obviously you have to be responsible for so many women even though you have staff and at the same time uh there's a lot of a lot of liability because the more agencies you have the more girls you have out there you multiply the risk by you know increments of whatever so So, yeah, I mean, of course, because I was making a lot of money.

I wanted to make more money, but at the same time, you know. So how much money were you making? Like, would you say a year or whatever, what were you bringing in? I mean, let's say that, you know, we were making about, I mean, I would say at least, more or less like a million a year, I would think. You're bringing, you're that is going to you. have no but then you know like we don't profit a lot from that like you know we were getting that you know discount the cost i don't you know honestly i don't really know like exactly i mean we made a lot of money i cannot tell you an exact amount because um a lot of things we um you know

paid our rents with and everything else so like personal gain um yeah i mean we made money but you're saying like gross you're grossing around a million but you're also paying out staff If you're paying, you're paying, you're paying, and things like that. I mean, I mean, bottom line, I had a great lie. I'm not going to lie. But, you know, I cannot give you exact amount. I don't. I understand.

You know, this is, uh, any, anybody famous? I mean, there was a lot of famous people. There was a lot of important people. Very powerful men. But, you know, I would never, you know, it's not, it's our code. We cannot talk about it. But you have to live in Miami and I have to. Yeah, I mean, there was, I'm not going to lie.

There was a lot of. powerful people, but obviously, like, you know, I will always protect their identity. So what is in general? I mean, I'm sure it changed subtly, but what is an hour call? Well, it depends. Like, sometimes it would be 300 an hour, 400 an hour. Yeah, it varies. Like, you know, the girls at their own rate. Yeah. Like, it would be more like you multiply that by, you know, or it depends. some girls wanted to charge more. I mean, you know, they set up, they set their rates, but, um, you know, average 300, 350, 400 because you have to stay competitive.

It's market rate. You're not going to go, uh, to a place where the average is, you know, 300, 350 and charge 600 when maybe there's someone that looks like you that is sure. I mean, you know, you have to like analyze all these things and stay competitive. Because, you know, from our perspective, too we don't want somebody to come here and be like oh you send me somewhere and you know it was not successful so i don't want to come back so we wanted to keep them happy that was our main thing so the the women that you're getting these are are these like how are they contact how are you

how are they they're contacting you or well we had we i mean friends of friends we used to advertise we used to advertise a lot too um you know in different uh websites you know we had other contacts throughout like the world let's say that would like do recruiting for us uh but mostly it was referrals like from other girls my ex-husband would refer us girls too um yeah word them out or you know hey my girlfriend wants to come um you know and like you know and we also i mean that's a crazy thing in uh we would also give girls referral fees like you send me your friend will give you a referral fee too you know so because we were fair so what what What is what was your split?

If somebody's making a $1,000, what are you getting off? So we charge a flat fee for every appointment. So let's say that the girl charged $300. We took $100. Okay. So and sometimes for like longer dates it was percentage. But it was a flat fee because we didn't want to get into the whole like, oh, you're taking a lot of money from us.

So it was flat fee, no confusions. Everybody knows what's going on. So then you're just trying to work in bulk. Yeah. Yeah, it's volume. It's volume. But I mean, look. Some girls, like, they didn't have to do volume because they were so popular that a client, one client, would book them for, like, extended dates, like, you know, a week or like three days or whatever.

So some of them didn't have to do that. But that's, you know, that's how you do it. Colby? You're all good? Do you want the name of the website again? Okay. I mean, I can give it to you. I have no problem.

I have no shame right now. I have no shame anything else from the peanut gallery what do I do with the other 52 minutes that I have that after I paid for the hour

You just stare at the ceiling okay you just stare at the ceiling no and that's the thing like you know I want to make sure and clarify that it was not like

a sex rump like people are going to think like in an hour I can no that's not the case it was never the case you know like I feel like

clients appreciate being in the presence of a beautiful woman. So they want to talk to her. They want to hang out with her. Some of them would bring them lunch so they would have lunch with them. You know, like they did their thing. They would have lunch with them. Or they would have a glass of wine with them. Or they would talk about, I mean, the most random things that, you know.

But that's, you know, I mean, it's companionship. Like, I know it's hard to understand and put that concept in their minds, but it's just not about sex. I'm 52. I understand. I like that. oh he's your date he's your date okay we're leaving anything uh nothing we're good um is there any any similarities between all the like men that you had like any characteristics that you notice and like all of them like they're just wanted like

what type of lives they lived or um well look most of our clients were married um and obviously are you suggesting that a married man was sorry go ahead I mean, they were married and the reason why, I mean, look, things get complicated, right? Like, you know, it's easier to see a girl for an hour than to have a girlfriend that might text you at random hours of the night and she's going to get very emotional and dramatic and she's going to destroy your marriage at some point. Or your wife is going to find out and then, you know, she's going to take it to the cleaner so you end up with nothing.

So, yeah, I mean, you know, they were married. They were busy guys. Very powerful, I'll say. and very they don't want to like they didn't want to deal with like drama so you know go get someone for an hour

if they like them or see her again but just very practical and you know professional doctors lawyers doctors lawyers politicians professionals

professionals who don't have the time to have a girlfriend but some of them were single too and very good looking and very successful but they also don't want the drama athletes yes athletes too now is it just in miami or was this all over the world the country over the country yeah so i was just going to say um there's that there's a saying it's like you don't you're not you don't pay a prostitute for sex you pay her to leave correct you know correct correct but see i mean and that's that's the thing like you know it's practicality why would i want to deal with somebody that is going to

overstay their welcome when I can just like do what I have to do. And like I said, if I like her, maybe she'll stay longer. But they get but don't get me wrong. It gets complicated. Some clients want to have the girls as girlfriend. When you ask me about problems, that was one of the problems. That there's, you know, like either the girls or the clients they don't differentiate between like, you know, paid companionship and

being a girlfriend so and then that can get really messy too some guy who's making half a million dollars a year at 300 bucks is is nothing so correct I actually last I but I do expect them to tip though I read a memoir where this girl was seeing this guy and at one point he wanted her to come and meet his family and it was like she was like no you're not yeah no that's not what this is like he in his mind like to him the the fee was nothing it was like he stopped to associating the fee with what was really happening. And he suddenly started thinking that it was a relationship. And it's like it's.

Yeah. And that's when things get really messy because obviously, again, the girls are a fantasy, right? The girls are a fantasy. So some of them are so good at the fantasy that the clients are like, wow. I mean, this girl really loves me and, you know, wants to be with me for the rest of her life. But, you know, like, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that people don't fall in love with the clients or clients don't fall in love with the girls. but you know it starts in a certain way and you have to respect that

and that was my battle with the clients and with the girls too I'm like listen you can be like you know like it's an hour you book for an hour you got to leave you want to stay more you compensate her more but some of them want to hang out with them all day thinking that that's their girlfriend right

it's not their girlfriend so so someone's got she got two appointments right after each other someone wants to go longer like after their first hours they can't well it depends right i mean they're not back to back there's a break i mean you know like to make sure that everything is perfect uh but i mean depends if this you know there's a spot available maybe but that's why we always told the clients listen like you know if you feel that you're going to have chemistry and you're going to have a good time with this girl or you really like her a lot maybe you guys get along book in advance

because we used to pre-book so many appointments before because we used to pre-book so many appointments before because we used to advertise before sometimes you know like they want to stay extra they can there's another appointment so i'm not going to disrupt other clients lives because this client wants to stay longer you have to be respectful over the time uh one other question sure as far as like the legality of it all i know in america it's legal i'm sure in other countries it's no in america America, it's illegal. Is that how I said? You said legal.

Okay. Illegal in America. Legal in other countries. Like, what are your thoughts like? There are some parts in America where it's legal. There's only, only in Reno, in the bunny ranch or those dingy places that are horrible. I never been there, but I've been told that it's horrible. Right.

I mean, I'm, you know, maybe they are making it nice now, I don't know. Yeah, it's trailers. It should be legal. Because nobody should be able to tell you what you should do with your body. your body you should be able to do whatever you want like the same thing you do with your brain and your whatever like you know some people use their brain to create things you should be able to use your body whichever way you want to as long as it's not something that uh you know like it's in your detriment like you know as long as you're not getting hurt i had i heard and i'm not

positive well i mean this is what i had heard i actually saw I read it, I forget, but basically in Russia, it must be legal because in Russia, they did a survey of middle school women. They had something to do with sex, like in the world or whatever and whatever, just different people's viewpoints of sex. And it was somewhere like in Russia, Ukraine or something, where they actually did a survey of middle school girls. And like 30% of them, when they said, what do you want to do, they wanted to enter the sex trade. And they were like, like, Americans have a vastly different idea of sex than most countries do. Like, to them, it was like saying, I want to be a massage therapist. Like, I want to enter the sex trade.

This is, this is 14-year-old girls in middle school that are openly saying this is what I want to do. I mean, yeah, I mean, and I feel like there's a lot of hypocrisy in this country because, I mean, there's so many clients. And some clients are politicians who probably oppose that this goes, you know, I mean, I don't think legal would be the world. I would think it would be more decriminalization because I feel like when they regulate things, things get out of control. Just make it not a crime. That's it. I'm not asking for them to make it legal because then the government interferes with everything and ends up being a pain.

So, yeah, but I mean, you know, I feel like sex, like the sex industry is so big. I mean, I think it's one of the ones that makes the most money in any country, especially. here because you still have porn that's you know pornography that's another industry you have webcams that's another industry you have only fans which to me i mean you know like i mean what do you think the girls that only fans are doing like you know yes people look at their pictures but i'm sure they get messages too hey i want to meet you okay it's gonna be this much it's prostitution right but you know like people think it's not but it should be people should be able to do whatever they want. As long as they are adults and have

like, you know, a decision like, you know, they are able to decide consciously of what they want to do. They should be able to do whatever they want. Without government interference. All right. What else are we doing? Is that wrap it up?

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