Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What People Get Wrong About Being Gay in Prison

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

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Subscribe now on your favorite podcasting platform or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat. Let's make sense of this industry together. Gay guys rule. Hey, y'all. Kiki's here. Matt. Matt. They would sit on my lap.

Just adult. I'm like, hi. I'm like, little help. I started crying. And my lap, just crying. I'm like, can somebody? Hey, you guys, me and Tom Simon went to a comedy show recently, and we met Carl. Carl was the headline act, and that's how he ended up on the podcast.

Sorry, I missed the behind-the-scenes story. What? How were you in prison? The quick version is, I'm going to do. Yeah, you want to see her. Yeah, the quick version is, I was a mortgage broker. I owned a mortgage company. which in Florida is not hard to do.

You take your class, you get your little class, you get your little certificate. And back then, for an extra $250, you could become a brokerage business. Then you hire other guys. So I was a mortgage broker for about a year, year and a half. And then I hired,

I started my own company and hired a bunch of guys. And then so I'm getting a piece of what they get. And very quickly, I had a dozen guys. The problem is from the very first loan I ever did contain fraud. Now it's like, you know, what guys are like, kind of like soft frog where you had a verification of rent.

And my borrower had been 30 days late on her rent like a year and a half ago. But that's a deal killer. She's not getting a 95% loan. That's over. You're done. You're done. Yeah. So, you know, I whited out, make a copy.

I was told by my manager, this is what I do. Put it in there and then never find it. Sure enough, the loan closed. Made like $3,500 bucks. And the next guy that comes in, you know, he made $55,000 on his W-2 that year. He made 60. He could get the loan. Well, I got a degree in fine arts.

So I whited out. I fixed the thing. I send it in. Boom. Loan closes. So very quickly, by the time these guys are working for me, we're all doing fraud. Within, let's say, two, three years, I get in trouble. It's complicated, but I was buying houses, renovating them and selling them to my mother to get around something called seasoning.

I mean, my mother, sorry. Did I just said my mother? My wife at the time. So you could buy a house, renovate it, but you can't refinance it for a year at the new value. They make you wait a year. But I could buy it, renovate it, and sell to my wife at the time in her maiden name. So it's like a quick refy. Anyway, what ends up happening is a friend, the guy that, a woman that worked for me started her own company.

She got in trouble. She worked with the FBI. They bust me. But there was no dollar loss. So I get three years probation. And I get divorced from my wife. And what I decided to do was I decided, okay, I could go sell used cars, you know, and go moving my Parents sold my old bedroom, start my life over again, claim bankruptcy, or I could just keep doing what I'm doing.

I'm very good at it. This was a fluke that I got caught. So I figure out how to get social security to issue me social security numbers to children that don't exist by making fake birth certificates. Oh, wow. And fake shot records. And I get, and then I then build a credit profile on each one of those. I then went into Ebor City and I bought houses for $50,000, did five or $10,000 renovations. but I recorded the sale of those houses at $200,000 in each one of these people's names.

I then refinanced those houses at the $200,000 level, and the banks were lending me $180,000, $190,000, $180,000, whatever. I only got $50,000, but I just made $100,000, $120,000. I would make the payments for six months and let them go into foreclosure. And each one of these guys bought, there's probably 10 of them, eight or 10 of them. each one of them bought five or six houses. So I would make about a million and change on each one after the cost, maybe six, $700,000. And then I just kept buying and buying.

I drove the value of the area from a medium price of about $100,000 to $300,000. That's what Forbes said. So I borrowed $11.5 million doing that. My mortgage company had done about $40 million in taxes and fraudulent loans, because I was still helping them because I sold it to a, guy that was a CPA. Anyway, eventually the FBI comes to arrest me again because, you know, you're not allowed to do that. And, uh, and so they come to arrest me. I go on the run. I'm on the run for three years. I borrow another three and a half million dollars. I get caught

and I got caught in the bank then. I was actually handcuffed. But by that point, what I was doing was I started, because you can't, these fabricated individuals that I was making, I could get an ID in their name. Like I could go in the DMV and get them to give me an ID, but I could never get a driver's license. So what I did was, and don't judge me, I started surveying homeless people. And so I got the homeless people's information and I would then go get a driver's license in their name in one of the states where they didn't have a driver's license. I didn't get a passport and I was traveling and whatever. And so I end up doing that. Like I said, did another three and a half to four and a half million, depending on who you believe. And after three years, and actually,

like I said, I got caught one time. That actually has changed the scam that time. I actually just started buying houses. And then I would go downtown. I'd create a fake satisfaction of mortgage. And I'd satisfy the loan and public record. So now I own a $250,000 house with no mortgage on it. And then I'd go to like four or five different banks and borrow money against the house all at the same time.

So they'd lend me like $11,000, I'm sorry, like $1 million or $900,000, $1.3 million. So I pulled that money out. One time I got caught in a bank, handcuffed brought downtown. I was number one on the Secret Service's Most Wanted List, and I convinced them that they had the wrong guy. I haven't done anything wrong. My name is Gary Sullivan. Yeah. And they let me go.

That was going to be my next question. Is it like a gambling high? Or is it like these people are stupid? And I'm just going to keep going. Because I feel guilty for nothing. Like I could do nothing. And I'm still like, what did I do? I don't have any guilt.

I have any guilt. I mean, look, that's genius. It's like kind of amazing. The psyche, yeah. Yeah, you can't expect a criminal. Most criminals are psychopaths, so you can't really expect a criminal. Well, no, I had a cop, like, light up right behind me, and I was like, what did I do? And I'm like under the, you know, and I'm guilty, but he, then he passes me.

And I, but I was still, like, questioning, like, what did I do? Oh, listen, I got pulled over. Clearly I did something. I got pulled over so many times as this one guy, I had to go to traffic school as him. Because I was about to lose his license. And I kind of want to lose his license. I got a car and a conduit.

That is a lot to keep track of. As a matter of fact, that guy, I legally had his name changed just to see if I could do it, just to go through the process and actually paid a lawyer to change his name because, you know, I had the same name as him. So I wanted to go through the process. Like I was always doing trying to figure stuff out. Why did you, so you had, you obviously clearly had like enough money. Why don't you just stop?

Yeah. So that's the whole thing is to answer that question. It starts off as if I could just. get my bills paid. Sure. And then it becomes, you know, if I, if I just had like, if I could just get like 100 grand in the bank, I'd have a cushion, I'd feel better, okay. And then it's 500.

And then you get to a million and they get to two million. And then the line is just blurred and you just figure, you know what, I'm so fucking good at this. They're never going to catch me because I've been caught many times. I've been arrested, brought downtown, convinced them the bank made a mistake. You need to let me go. They let me go. I've been chased by the U.S.

Marshals. I've been caught by the banks, had meetings with. lawyers been caught and been told we're calling the FBI. This is fraud and said, look, let me just pay you back. You can call the FBI. You'll never get your money back. But I can cut you a check right now for 200 grand. You can't do both.

You call the FBI. You're going to get a fucking house that's worth 40 grand back. Or you want your 200 grand? Which one? Do you want the FBI digging through your files? And then it's, you know, it's someone like Washington Mutual. And they're like, you have the 200,000? I do.

So eventually I get caught. I go to prison. I end up doing 13 years. There's more of that story, too, but I get 13 years. So I got out five years ago. Wow. Like, first of all, you have a brilliant mind. They should be interviewing you.

Where's my wife? I know. Where's my wife? Are this on? Yeah, you got to record this. That's a lot to keep track of. Right? Like, holy moly.

What's funny is the, do you remember the guy that I was with? The retired FBI agent? Oh, yeah, yeah. So he comes on the podcast all the time. His name is Tom Simon. And he's a, remember he was a private investigator, Florida, licensed Florida private investigator. And he's a retired FBI agent.

Really? Yeah. Really? He investigated financial. Financial. Was that the guy I talked to? Yes. Yes.

You were sitting right there. I didn't know. Yeah. That's the guy. I meant. And what do you do? He's like FBI. Yeah. And I was sitting right.

I was with him. But it's so funny because. I didn't ask you. Yeah. Well, I was going to. mentioned that. That so was hilarious about that was that my wife sitting next to me. So you went from the guy next to us and you're joking with him. Yeah. The people behind the one guy, right? The guy is, oh, you didn't, I even tell Colby this. The gambler guy. That was a weird story, right?

And then, you know, I wanted to turn around and say, hey, bro, like, if you could talk about that for an hour, we could do a podcast. Like, this is not bad. I know. And so then you went, then you skipped me. Then you talked to Tom's son. Then you, and Jess, look, my wife, she looked at me and she's like, oh boy, what are you going to say? And this guy hits you and starts giving you a hard time. And then you jump, you skit me and went to Tom. And I was just like, I was like, I was like, it's so weird, right? Yeah, I was like, boy, I said, what's funny is I'm about to blow all these fuckers out.

Yeah. You hear this. Yep. He's, he was the headlong. You're a comedian. You're calling out people. I just, you know, and it's funny because I don't. It just works the crowd.

I don't even riff that much a lot of times when I'm doing a set. But it was a small group. Yeah. And that environment, you know, is conducive. And then plus the guy, I don't know, people, it just was an interesting crowd. But the fact that I hit almost everybody and then it and went skipped over. Oh, you skipped over. Yeah.

So many times. Yeah. Yeah. When we left, she goes, what would you have said if he had asked you? Yeah. What do you do? I said, I would have said I run a true crime podcast. And then she was like, she goes, well, she said, do you think he was said, I said, of course, he's

immediately going to say, oh, wow, how did you, how did you get into that? Yeah. I said, I'm going to say, oh, well, I did 13 years in federal prison for being a con man. I said, and then it's going to explore the hook in the back. Right. And then he's going to start asking questions and I have all these funny things. Oh, man. But it was so funny too, because the crowd was so small, I thought, what these guys are going to.

I don't, these guys are going to ignore, they're not even going to mention how small this crowd is, that we're in a movie theater. Yeah. Right. And we're, and there's 27 people in the crowd or 24 people. Nobody's even going to address that. But then everybody did address it. And then you came in and you addressed it.

And I thought that's what was hilarious. You know, they're all like, well, you know, hey, so I'm going to stand up comedying. But, I mean, based on the crowd, you can see, I also have a regular job. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, they all go into the, and then they start joking around about the crowd. And, you know, we're in a movie. theater like you know last night it last night it was funny there was like a whole family and

they had um shirts on what did it say oh yeah family family forced family fun yeah shirts i mean it was funny and then there was this kid and carls you know like you're the grandma you're the mom okay da da da da da like figuring out everybody's family and then oh you're the grandson and he kept like going to the grandson okay grandson and then finally he's like what's your name and Zach okay Nice stash, you know, whatever, da-da. Turns out he plays for the Cardinals. Like, he's a professional pitcher for the Cardinals. And I'm like, you know, I'm on Wikipedia.

It was cool. Interesting people in there, right? Yeah. Because everybody you talked to was interesting. Yeah. Nobody sat there and said, I'm a Walmart manager. You know, nobody said that. This guy said, I told her when I got home, like a guy lost $30,000.

Like, his wife lost $30,000 on a cruise penny slots. Like, how do you, I'm like, there's penny slots. Yeah. Well, there's more to that story, too. Yeah. Yeah. No, there was. There was.

He kept going. The guy, apparently she had won a bunch of money a few weeks before that. And then went on a cruise and then lost all the money. And then went to another guy when he wouldn't lend her any money. She's like, I need you to lend me some money and lied to her. I mean, lied to him, said, told him, oh, my card got stolen or something. I got robbed. I don't have any money.

I don't know. He was just like. I don't think it was his wife. I think it was a girlfriend. Yeah. And then he was like, he was like, yeah, okay, well, show me the receipt. Show me the stuff and I'll lend you the money. And she got upset with him.

Then contacted another guy and he lent her some money. And he said, yeah, we're done. We're done. She's obviously a gambling, got a gambling habit. Now you're trying to, you've lost all your money, including the money that you just won. And now you're coming after me to give you more money. Right. Which is, and you're lying to me.

You're not saying I got a problem. I'll go to it. Like, to me, I would actually. lend you the money if you're going to, you realize who said, look, I thought, yeah, here's what I did. I'm going to change. And that's what I wanted to ask you to. Okay, really last question.

This is fine. This is probably going back in the podcast. Because this is amazing. Or we also on Patreon. Oh, you do. What was your turning point, like, where you were like. I mean, I got 26 years. I mean, I would love.

But, but you could be there like hustling in prison too. They gave me 26 years. Yeah. I got it down to 13. You could have been hustling in prison, though, and could have been doing your thing or whatever, but what, like, changed you as a man that you come out of prison, like, okay.

That you get changed? Everybody thinks that. They want to believe that. It's Hollywood. Fucking Hollywood. No. No. Yeah, we've all seen it.

It's like, he didn't change. He didn't murder anybody. He was fine. This is why I say. Red changed. Right. Yeah, red. No, this is why I say you're,

you have to be changed because you wouldn't be married in a good relationship. That's funny. I think that's probably just you get older, right? Like, I would say. Because a woman needs security. Yeah. No, that.

Yeah, I would say that that's definitely a change. But I also think that's just older. Like I don't, you know, I don't. So one thing, when I was younger, obviously you're extremely insecure. Sorry. Insecure. Sorry. Extremely insecure, you know, which, of course, obviously I'm still insecure.

But at that point, I was probably very insecure. I was desperate to make, you know, my father proud to be, to live up to his expectations, which, you know, I never did. And, you know, just I, I, you know, it's all look at me, look at me, look at me, right? Which is still is. But, you know, you go to prison and it's funny, I, I met a friend in prison named Pete. And I don't think Pete even realizes that this is how I feel. You know what I'm saying? And I think it probably was probably not like a moment. Does that make sense? It's probably a period of time. And it really, and I remember Pete saying, and I was, I was steal.

I think he stole this from Einstein. But, and it was basically, he used to say, you can't come to prison and behave in the same manner that led you to prison. Get released and not expect to come back. Yeah. Because if you're there long enough, and I know Pete had been there long enough, Pete did 26 years. Exactly. And Pete, and if I was 13, can I tell you how, you want to talk about depressing? You watch some crackhead.

And when I say crackhead, some guy who probably got 10 years for selling, for bringing a gun to a $20 rock sale. Like just the dumbest fucking thing you could ever think. You just spent half a million dollars to lock this guy up because he's a crackhead. Yeah. Like you're just an idiot. Like that's just stupidity. But you see this guy finish his sentence. Get out.

Come back on a violation for his probation because they don't just release you. You have probation. Get out on a violation. Because usually when they send you back, they'll say, like let's say you have three years paper. They'll send you back for a year and you don't have paper anymore because you obviously can't do it. So you're just going to do another year in prison. And it's like, all right, what do I care? I just did 10 years.

So he comes back. gets out after a year. So now I've seen you once. I saw you finish your sentence. Get out. Come back. Do another year. Get out again.

Get another charge. Come back for three years. Get out. So complete that sentence. Get out. Get on probation. Get another violation. Come back and get out again.

And I'm not halfway done with my sentence. And you have to start realizing like, and it's not just that. It's lots of guys. You see guys that you're, You're like, this guy has, he has a college education. He's smart. I spent two years talking to this guy. He's brilliant.

He's amazing guy. He's funny. He's charismatic. He got out and he had a plan. And he had a support group. His parents were there. His brother was going to give him money. They were going to start a business.

They're going to go into construction. You can do that with a felony. You know, they had a play. His brother was already in construction. He's already, he's going to come. And he goes out. And three years later, bam, he's back for a fraud charge due to construction. You know, so anyway, so my point is that I just got to that point where I really,

I need to figure out some way I can get out of here and not come back. And part of that is I have to stop thinking the way I'm thinking. And two, I need to not do things for money. I need to start doing, I need to figure out. I used to say this all the time. Guys, like, what are you going to do when you get out? I'm like, I'm going to figure out a way to make a living just being me. And they were like, what does that mean?

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So I paint. So I like to paint. I could get paid for painting. You paint in prison? Yeah. Well, I did it a little bit, and I drew, but mostly what I did was write the true crime stories, because I figured at some point I could get out and I'd optioned.

I optioned the life rights of a couple people while incarcerated. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. If you know you've got me over a barrel here and you just cut me a check for six grand or seven grand, what are you going to do when I'm a forced to be reckoned with? What are you going to do when I have a, I have a website and I have access to multiple stories and I'm writing and I have books and I become, I transform myself. Now you're not going to give me six or seven grand for an option. Now I'm going to get paid. And what if I could get a series made?

What if I could get a movie made? I mean, not that I care, but, you know, it's fun. I always joke around. Did you squirrel any money? money away. I was like, did you bury it under a rock? It was like the dateliner of American Green. One of them was like, and to this day, five million dollars is still

me sick. They say that they're bastards. You know how many people? Yeah, like you're digging like Fargo, you're into snow. I used to say my, if I could have arranged it, because my ex-wife, you say, I know you got money buried out there. All right enough. Let's talk about something.

That's, yeah. I used to think I would love one day to wait for her to get home, pull up in a car, get out, get out with a shovel, walk into her backyard, take something I'd plan on the night before, pull out something, throw in the back of the trunk, and he'd be, well, what are you doing? What are you doing?

What is that? What is that? Don't you worry about it. Yeah. That would be great. I was there in a whole time. That's mine. That's mine.

Well, I see it as this. It's such a cool evolution, honestly, because it's like you're chasing money, you're running from the insecurities that are nipping at your heels constantly. And now you full circle and you've made the pain your purpose and you're in like this really cool authentic place.

It's so cool. I know she's too. And honestly, I think this is like the lesson of the ages that everyone, when you get to that authentic place of making your pain, your purpose, that's where, that's the money spot right there.

That's the sweet spot. This is, it's not just women, too. Yeah. Because I get, I get emails from guys all the time. I get Instagram. Bro, you're so inspiring. Your story's inspiring. What you're doing is, you've convinced me to do this and that.

And I stopped feeling bad for me. And they start telling me all these things that I'm thinking, I've never tried to be inspiring. I have never said one inspiring thing. I've never made an attempt to do this. And yet I get, I honestly, it's, it is probably at least once a day. I get that. Or even, like I said, when we went, we went to dinner first with Tom and his wife, we went there.

And when we sat down, Tom's wife said, she said, um, and I was like, hey, what's going on? How are you know, met her? And she sat down. And she's looking at me a couple times. And I said, you know, I said something to her. And she said, yeah, I've watched. She said, I've watched all your stuff. She's, I've watched, well, not all of it.

She said, I've watched all the ones you did with Tom and a few others. And she goes, honestly, I'm just fascinated by your story. Like the way you've turned this around is just amazing. And I look at my wife. My wife is just like, please. This again. Was Tom one of the people that busted you? No, no.

No. He just, he has a huge present. He's got like 250,000 followers on Instagram, another 100 and something thousand on TikTok. Really? And yeah, think about that. And I always wanted to ask his wife that. Like 2,000. I wanted to ask it.

Like stand up. Because his wife has to be like, this guy is a button down FBI agent for 25 or 26 years he worked, retires and starts posting on and figures he's going to be a private investigator. Just, you know, something to do. You want you just, you know, he's 53, 54. He can't retire. Like, what are you going to do at 54? You're going to retire? Yeah.

So he's like, yeah, I'll go get my license and I'll do stuff on the side. starts posting these little little videos on Instagram and TikTok blows up like what kind of videos little things he's like you know John Peters you know was a teller at a bank and he tells a little a little minute and a half to two minute story about how John Peters embezzled a million dollars and then was eventually caught because of this and this and this and then went on the run and then he tells a little story some of them are his stories some of them are just he just pulls them right off of the Department of Justice press releases, and then he'll do some research, and he'll put together a little story, and he'll tell he does it every day.

They're hugely popular, and he's great at it. And he is, so now his private investigative company or firm is, it's blown up. And we met him, and I believe Colby contacted him and said, hey, was it you or, Or was it? Was it? It might have been Tyler. So somebody, one of us contacted him and said, hey, would you like to come on this podcast? You're in Jacksonville.

Would you mind? I got him on the phone. He said, yeah, can we do this remote? And I was like, I'd rather have you drive down. And I said, you know, we'll pitch your this. We'll pitch you that. He's like, yeah, I don't really need you pitch anything. I'm pretty much kicking ass anyway.

But he said, you know what? He said, yeah, let me think about this. And he came back. He goes, yeah, I talked to my wife. Yeah, I'm going to drive down. So he drove down, did one. It did pretty well. He's been on twice since then.

And, you know, and we keep running into each other, too. Like, we keep getting contacted by the same producers who they'll interview him, then they'll interview, a week later they interview me. He'll find out that they just, or that they're also considering me. We've also supposed to, I was being considered to be a, what do you call it, expert expert i was going to say professional an expert witness in a court trial and two of the lawyers were on board with it and one was absolutely against having this con man wow testify and so they ended up contacting him and while they were talking to him they said he said well who else are you

considering for this they go well there's also this other guy and the problem is this and he explains he goes i know matt cox very well he said and if you're considering using him i would rather not be considered. He's an expert at this. He's this. I think you should. And they said, well, we've really like to, you know, consider both of you. He says, well, let me see if he has an issue with it. If he has an issue with it, I'm going to bow. So he called me. He said, look, here's what's going on. What do you think? I said, yeah, I don't care. I don't care. They picked him. And then, by the way, the guy, they lost. Huh? They lost. I mean, I think I would have been compelling on the stand. But that's fine. You went with

the, you went with the solid, the sure thing. It doesn't always work out. How did you guys meet to get to the comedy show? Oh, so his wife, they were, his son is down from, I want to say he's at, I'm going to say FSU. He's down from FSU. Yeah, okay, good. And they were going someplace in Tampa to go. They were doing a little vacation and part of some of the stuff was in Tampa and his wife said, oh, Matt's going to be there. We should meet Matt.

But it wasn't Tom's idea. That irritated me. Their dynamic is funny because Matt is cut up and like, because he'll come on and tell fraud stories, how he catches these. criminals and he's very straight this is what happened this is what happened this is how I did it these are the facts yeah these are facts and Matt's like he's like man

I feel bad for the guy like can you just cut him a break like joking around the guy's 65 years old you send him to prison four years he could die because he's fine he embezzled $50,000 like he didn't even get the money for God's sake Tom we'll have this whole thing

and he's like you're your empathy for these criminals disturbs me he did seem pretty straight he is His son, because he followed me on Instagram. Like I looked at CIFO. And so he goes to FSU. But he's an actor.

Is it? Like, he says actor. Like, why wouldn't you come up and talk to me? You know what's funny? You're not a very good one because you should network. That's funny.

Well, he also, I think, he's 20. Yeah, he's also a lifeguard. Oh, yeah,

yeah, he's like a lifeguard. He's, you know, he's 20. Yeah, actor. Give it six months.

Six months. It'll be something completely different. It won't be biology anymore. It'll be completely different. Yeah, he was going to school for biology, but he wanted to skydive. Yeah. He said, I want to jump out of planes. And I'm like, huh.

You went to school for marine biology. I'm a comic. Right. What are we done with my questions? We'll be asking about the whole thing. To your inspiration point, Carl's working on a bit about how positive people are so annoying. So I think. It's so annoying.

I went to, I went to L.A. four years ago. I went to L.A. And this is when I was doing a bunch of podcasts before, I think I just started this or no, it was before I started this. But I actually went to L.A. What a jackass move. I mean, I made some real mistakes.

You know, I'm going on all these big podcasts. I have nowhere to send these people. Like I got out. I don't really understand how to, how to kind of funnel everything towards a platform that's monetized so that it's beneficial. Instead, I'm just like, oh, I'm going to go on so-and-so's podcast, and so-and-so's like, why, oh, just to get exposure to what end? Like, I don't know.

Anyway, what ended up happening was I went to L.A., and I went on a few of them, and one of them I was supposed to be on was Kill Tony. And so they had me scheduled, but I had a meeting with a producer to pitch a series. And, well, it was a producer director that I was hooked up with. And we had one with another producer. So he was like, this is what it is. And so I couldn't do kill Tony. I've never been so relieved in my life because you have to do like a full minute.

You have to do like a one. Well, back then, I don't know what it is now. Monologue or whatever. Yeah, you had to do a one minute skit. Yeah. And I remember thinking. And they're like, oh, you're funny. You can do that.

I'm like, no, no, I'm not funny. You know, it's not fucking easy to be funny for a full minute. I don't know who thinks that's funny. You can't just, you got to be. But you're smart. That doesn't mean anything. You have to be clever. You have to be sharp.

You have to be on your feet. That's like working the crowd. Well, that could go bad. To do a minute is hard. Right. That's what I'm saying. Even get somebody to laugh in a minute. That's what I'm saying.

There's no bill. It was five minutes, yeah. And it's funny because they were, everybody was like, no, you're funny. I'm like, no, you don't understand. My stories require setup. Yeah. Like I can tell a funny story in the course of telling things that happened in prison, but I have to explain that I went to prison.

Here's why I went to prison. A minute's over. It's already over. Yeah. Even if I just said bank fraud and moved on, doesn't matter that each one of these stories has a, it's still a couple, it's still a minute,

at least two minutes. Like, what am I, I'm not going to. And even their comics I see that are on there. It's kind of like, they're just weird. And that's what's funny to them.

Yeah, because you're not really, they're not really comics. A lot of these guys are like, just quirky dudes that are just starting comedies. But then they're getting this name. And then headlining. Right.

And then crowds are going to see these guys and they're not that good. They're not that strong. Well, it's, yeah. They can't handle hecklers. Yeah. I always say I've said this a few times is that, I don't know, there was a Barbara Walters. The last Barbara Walters interview that she did, like before she, like, retired. I don't know where she was arrested.

She's probably still doing it now. They retire a few times, but she was retiring. And the person interviewing her said, you know, know, what are the smartest people, what's the smartest group of people you've ever, um, interviewed? And she was comics. And they went and, and she went, really? Just why would you say that?

She's like, you've interviewed scientists. It might have been a man interviewing her. There was like scientists, you've, politicians, you've interviewed, you know, lawyers. Why? Why she said, you have to be really, really fast and smart to be able to be funny at the drop of a hat. she said they're some of the best conversational issues and they're some of the funniest people. She says, you have to be super smart. She goes, and it's a different kind of humor than a scientist.

The scientists are not funny. Yeah. But, you know, she had a whole little bit of her own doing that. And I remember thinking, boy, that is true. I think that's true. You're underrated. You know, people think, oh, he's funny. There's no stupid comics.

You don't really know any, I don't remember unless they're not funny. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of stupid comics. But, yeah, no, it's, I don't, you know, I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't consider myself a genius or anything. But yeah, I guess in that moment in that, that realm of off the cuff. But I think you're kind of, kind of born with it or, you know, it's more natural than anything. I don't think it's a learned. You know, people would argue. We have some kind of intellect to read a room and to have self-awareness and to know when to pivot and to know how to

manage a crowd and all in the moment. It takes time. You know, it takes five years for a comic to even really know, can you imagine starting something going, I'm not even going to be decent at this till five years from now? Yeah. I'm living it right now. What do you tell you? You're already. I looked on your pay.

I'm like, Jesus. I've 28 years in stand-up game. I got 2,900 followers on it. 2.900. But that's the thing. Like, now I'm starting, like, I just shot my comedy special. Right. Like, after 28 years, I finally just shot, like, a couple weeks ago in December.

So where was that? I was in a theater and Vero Beach, the Riverside Theater. Okay. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's like we got seven cameras, a crane, so it's going to be, it's going to look great. I did an hour, you know, straight, straight material. But it's like now I'm deciding, oh, I got to take charge in my career. You know, like 28 years.

Maybe I should put up some clips. Yeah. It's, like, nobody knows who I am, you know? And then I made a movie and it's like, now I got a first movie and a first movie, but nobody knows. Who you are. Yeah, I was going to say. And I was going to say the other thing is too. And it's a PJ, which is Tom's son was like, we were sitting there.

And he goes, what do you think these guys get paid for something like this? And I looked around at the room, the 27 people that were there. And I went, I said, yeah, bro, I'm thinking it's like 50, 75 bucks. I said, you have to think. I said the disparity between being a comic that travels, has a travels around and does this, I said, and actually then has like a comedy special. I said is huge. Like you're going from this is enough to, like they're giving me a free pizza out of the, you know,

free a 12 inch pizza, you know, and a Coke for free and, you know, $30 or 50, whatever it is, basically, which is the gas to get here. and here's half a million dollars to do a special. I'm like, but I said, but think about the amount of work that somebody has to do to get to that point and the luck. The luck. Yeah.

A lot of it's luck. Sometimes it doesn't have to do a talent. Luck and some putting it and being in the right place, right plan, you know, time talking to right people, helps networking helps. But yeah,

I started in the 90s and it was like to feature, I got paid 100 bucks. That's the middle guy. Yeah. And today, I can pay it 100 bucks. Right. Like with inflation, like 30 years has gone by. Same amount.

It's funny because when the first guy came on, he did the whole. Oh, yeah. He's like, I have a day job, obviously. And I looked at immediately. He was like, he's like, no shit. He told you. Yeah, it's funny because I actually gave him that. I'm like, he's like, I work at Costco.

And he goes, and I'm like, I think they know. You're opening. I don't think this is paying their nut. Like, I'm struggling even closing out the room, you know. It's like, it's not a lot. Because obviously, I'm not a big comic, so I'm not getting like a door deal or anything. Right. I'm hoping people show up.

Maybe that wouldn't help. That wouldn't help the last crowd either. $27. Right. Yeah, like, $27. Yeah, I know. You get a dollar each one. real. A lot of comics, I mean, there's comics that sell out and, you know, they make, those are guys that make the money. There's TikTok stars that are committed because they draw. It doesn't matter. Have you seen, I was going to say, this chick has to, there's a black girl that does, that she plays a black girl. She's obviously, it's a skit. Now, the first one I saw, I didn't think was a skit. Have you ever seen her where she, she acts like she's being interviewed and she's sitting there. She's like, y'all, I don't even care. Like, so.

So, you know, my boyfriend's gone. I don't even care if he's gone. But, you know, I mean, when you get the camera going, I'll act like I'll do the cry in and everything. I'll do all that because, you know, like I want, you know, but nobody took. I just think he run off. And she does this whole kind of this ghetto black girl thing. And she starts talking, but it's hilarious because she's talking because she doesn't think they're, they're filming her. And then they're like, okay, ready to go.

She's like, okay, you guys ready? Okay, okay. Darius, I love you. You can just come home. And she does a whole thing. halfway through she stops and she kind of goes, she's like, what, I heard somebody say live. Y'all been filming the whole time, you know, but she has a whole, have you seen that? Is she talking to herself?

No, she's talking to a, no, she's talking to a film crew. Film crew, okay. And she'll talk about, like, how her cousin is missing. She's like, they're talking about she abducted, she's 400 pounds. Nobody adopted her. You need to be checking the local McDonald's. She does, like, and she has all these different skits. But when you see it for one of, she did one of them and I really thought, she's, I think this is real.

Like it was, she was so good. She never breaks character. But she's got a whole channel of them. I'll bet you she makes $50,000 a month on her channel. Wow. On TikTok. She's got millions of followers. Yeah.

And millions, millions of views. There's, there are, there's 10,000 videos on any stupid question I have on any. Yeah. There's a video on it by some guy. I mean, he may be Indian. Maybe it's, oh, yeah, and you can't understand a word. Yeah, like, oh, man, this is, you know, so, so, you know, days a little bit, but he's, you know, he's helping. Wait, you do a good Indian. No, I don't. No. Come on. Come on. Go on. Go on. What are you talking about? You make me blush. Yeah, but I was going to say, you got to get on that. Yeah. No, we, I, yeah, I have a page, but we're going to set, because He wants the specials out.

I have clips. I actually, you know, filmed the set that I did when you guys were there. So I'll have those riffs now. And we're going to start doing more of that. Yeah. Just because, like, which I should have been on. We is in. Bob.

Yeah. Bob, the opening guy. Yeah, yeah. He's like my clip guy. He's like, he does all the editing and producing and stuff. So, and I get him stage time. Yeah. After the show, like I go up to Carl and immediately I'm brushed off.

off the Bob, Bob's like, you'll be stepping over here. No, no. Bob did that on his own. Normally, I'd be like, give me your number. Bob was like, I want to talk to him. Yeah, Bob took off. I'm like, what are you doing, Dad? Yeah, you're sitting there.

You can just get this, get this. I'll just call him. You're like, well, make sure you get these. Like, I've got it. I've got it. Shutting him off. I'm like, I'm just supposed to be talking to you. Obviously, Bob, this guy.

It is so funny. Carl did come back and say that. That Bob was kind of like, blocked me. What are doing? Like Bob's not taken over as her management. But yeah, no, he'll do the clips. But we're going to start that.

And because it's we, you know, Matt Rife? Comedian. I think I've heard that. Like he's the good looking comic. You're the one who doesn't know. Oh, yes. He's everywhere. Yeah, yeah.

He's everywhere. And just, you know, he does his thing. I worked with him. I worked with him. We worked on them twice. I opened for him in Naples one year. He's still young. He's coming out.

Like, I'm opening up for this kid, you know. Yeah. I'm just, you know, this many years old. And then, um, there was not really anybody there. And then the last time I worked with him was like, it was like the Beatles, Betel mania, all these girls in crop tops. But that weekend, he was there.

Like, he only had a couple hundred thousand on followers on, on Instagram. And I remember his Instagram was shut down that weekend. So he didn't even have it open because they, he got some trouble for some. He said something about Ukraine. And then all of a sudden, he didn't realize the shows were kind of busy. Like, they were pretty packed out. And he was like surprised.

He didn't even know what happened. And at the end of the week, he was always supposed to. Like, like, lined up for a mile. All young girls. And their mothers. I'm like, I got up there. I'm like, I have nothing to say to you. We're not going to find common ground here.

Like he would, he would just touch his hair. Oh, they just. And the girls were like, wow. It's like, you couldn't even. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I recognize the name from my wife. He didn't,

he didn't even know he was going to be that bitch. So at the end of the week, he was supposed to get like, maybe like $1,500, $2,000. The owner cuts him a check for like $12,000. And he's like, what is this? He's like, well, he sold out every show. So that was the biggest check he ever had.

And so he's like, the biggest check he's ever had. Then after that weekend, he worked with me, it's just a couple, like a couple million followers. Now he's up to almost $9 million. After like just two years, he's making,

almost a hundred million a year like it's and he goes from a TikTok some the TikTok videos went viral I mean look at one I didn't want to post look at the look at the Hoc2a girl oh my God yeah she's going to jail right yeah do you know that I feel like she should be going to jail

she did with the whole the rugpole yeah when she was did it she did a scam right yeah it's called a rugpole a rugpole it's basically it's basically I wanted to chat talk to you about this it's basically a pump and dump but they're using crypto pump and dump scheme, but they call it a rug pull. You just jack up the price and you buy it all high and everybody rushes in and the price goes up

high and then you sell everything you have out, just like a typical stock scam. You know, you get in early. You guys pump up, they pump up the value of the stock. So everybody thinks it's amazing. They start buying the stock for $100. And then you sell all of your stock immediately at the high level. Then the stock plummets because everybody sees the sales. And you just dump your $30,000 life savings as a.

35-year-old man, you'd put $30,000. Into Hoctua girl? Yeah, into Hoctua. Yeah, the Hoctua currency. Is that the attraction was because she got on board and they're like, oh, yeah, no, they called it like, it was like, it was the hawk coin or something, yeah. It was all, first of all. It was all right for saying this because I always feel bad for saying this about a victim,

but honestly, you had that comment. Yeah, you had it. I agree. What were you doing? 100%. And this guy, now there's a guy talking about how, I don't my $35,000, my life savings, my kids college fund into this and now it's worth $2,000 and I was like, you dumped your kids college fund into an investment.

We're hooked. But this is the insanity of fame. Like you get fame and people, it's like this thing that people all aspire to or want or need or it's like a gambling addiction or yeah. They want to be around you. If somebody's popular. Yeah. And she's partnered with, she like partnered to the podcast with like Jake Paul's like company,

which they've been in and out of cryptos. And like the cryptos like breeding ground. Yeah, all their cryptos are, for degenerate gamblers. People are just, you know, pumping in. And what was funny about the Hocua thing is, like a day or two after the rugpole would happen, they're having a big Twitter space.

Like everybody's on a voice call. And she's just in the background. It's all these people who are managing the project talking, saying like, this wasn't a scam, this, whatever, whatever. And out of nowhere, she just popped on. She's like, hey y'all. Well, anywho, I'm going to bed now. I talked to you in the morning

and then she just disappeared for a month. Is she gonna do time for that? Jake Paul didn't do any time. He should do the same thing. We had a lawyer on here and we asked them about that and he didn't think her specifically. He said he thinks someone will eventually be made example of because this has been

happening for four years probably with crypto and NFT booms. All these influencers have been pooling and doing all these things. But really no one. One who really... Romp to us does some time. Yeah.

For everybody. She should do it for all of us. Yeah. Someday, they'll grab somebody and he'll go to trial and they'll get, he'll get, he'll get 20 years and then everybody will get scared. Yeah. But until then, they're just going to keep ripping people off. I mean, yeah, there was kids, there was a kid just recently because like crypto started

going up again, so everybody's getting back into it. There was a kid. He's like, he looks like he's 12 or 15. I can't even drive. And there was this platform where you can create your own account. And he created an account and made a, 20, 30 grand and sold it right away, like, live. So it's, yeah, it's insane.

God bless them. I'm doing something wrong. I'm just telling jokes. And that's something with popularity. Like, I'll get all open for some big acts, like names that aren't that strong on stage. Right. And I'll crush the shot, like 25 in front of them. Almost bury them.

Right. And then they get up there and it's mediocre. And that's not even bragging. That's just with the facts that I've been to stand up, you know, on my life. Maybe they just started. They were famous. Right. You know?

And so they just, they're working out of that. Yeah. And then they get off. And it's just like, they're taking all the pictures. Not one. Well, they get a pass. Once a picture with me. Like they're just like, excuse me.

Is that is that the guy? Like, dude. Oh, you were funny. Oh, you were funny too. Yeah. But that's the thing with family. It doesn't matter. Well, you know, I was.

I've used this as an example is that American Idol, like the top 10 people that make American Idol, I don't know if it's 10 or 12, I forget what it is, whether that first group that makes it, they're all amazing. And every one of them that gets out, you're like, amazing, amazing. And then in the end, one gets it. And even then that person, you might hear about them for the next year. And then most of the time, they're gone. One or two have made it. But even then, and these other people that were there, like, you just never hear from them again. And you think they're all phenomenal.

So there's tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of amazing singers. Singers. Yeah. Comics, actors. Oh, 100%. It's just, it's just something. A lot of it, it's talent, whatever, there's lots of talents of people, but it's talent and it's luck.

And it's being in the, it's, it's, it's that combination and, you know, it just. That's why you can't, I can't. And grit. You can't get upset. You can't get upset. You can't get upset opening for, you know, I had this. well, I wasn't opening for him because I was opening for another comic

but got a kid dropped in to do a spot and he was like a magician. 16 year old. 16 year old and he was on the spectrum. He was like, he had like autism or something because in the green room it was like, I was like, hey, how are you doing?

He's like, no, hi, how are you? And I'm like, this kid's going on stage? This is going to be brutal. Yeah, like he's doing magic. Well, this is right before Carl's going to shoot his special. So he was trying to get a lot of time to work out his space for, I was trying to get ready for his special. And it's like, this is so humbling.

Yeah, I'm shooting. And then this robots going up to. So I introduced the kid and his parents are there. Like, you know, and I'm going to hammering my special set. So I'm just banging up. Like, I'm just like hammering. Like, I'm just kid, poor kid. Just parents are watching.

Then I'm this filthy animal's opening for him. And then I bring him up. And then he's like, he's all. Hey, well, I'm like, where was that? I wanted to get, like, when he got off, I wanted to be like, I didn't see that guy backstage. There was like nothing going on in there. And then he got to say, it was weird how he turned it on. But that, but that's the humbling thing.

It's like, now I just opened for that guy, the kid. And then, like, his mom took my number. It's like, you know, if he could ever get up in front of you, if you were headlining, can you? I'm thinking, no, I would put this guy in front of my crowd. Like, just poor kid. Like, who shouldn't be, I mean, not to. But what he did amazing? No, it was ridiculous.

I thought you were, I thought you were getting at. He came out of his shell on stage. He came out of his shell. That's all I was getting at. No, it was horrible. Oh, it wasn't even good at. I thought you were going to say, got up and he was amazing. I would have been, I would have thought, yeah, if that was the case, I'd be like,

well, I don't mind opening for him. Maybe I'd probably be opening for him next week. But no, it was ridiculous. I think he got a pass because of his age. You know, it's like, oh, well, that's cute. And they were laughing. Uh-huh. And then he berated them a little bit.

Like, Jesus. It was like, it's just funny, like, just how comedy works. And, like, you never know who's your opening for whatever, like some TikTok dude will come in. It's just got this huge following. It's just. Social media will absolutely explode. Humble you. Have you seen.

Well, uh, You know, Dax Flame is? He's very, Dax Flame. He's very, he probably is some type of autistic or something. He's going to be here. But when is he here? He wants to be like a stand-up comedian or like his whole page is kind of turned into comedian. So he is extremely, extremely awkward.

And he'll go to these comedy clubs and get up there and tell these jokes. And I mean, they are. I think I've seen that guy. He's got like long kind of love like Auburn hair, curly, maybe like, You know, yay high. And, uh... They're bad, corny.

They're bad, bad, bad, corny. But he's just so awkward. He's like a cult-like following on social media. And, uh, it's just awkward. It's like, I'm thinking these guys, like,

they go to, uh, they go to these comedy clubs and the people there, like, if they don't know them, they probably think, like, this is absolutely horrible.

But those same exact clips go viral online because they know this guy. They see him every day. And they've just grown to love, like, you know, love his style. Love his stuff. Yeah. his awkwardness.

Yeah. And it's, which is not funny if you don't know him. Yeah, if you don't know him. So it's like the actual experience there in the club, like probably like isn't very good. It's horrible.

Yeah. But the virality of it online is. Yeah. I've seen famous people that, that, you know, maybe got, you know,

something happened with their acting career or whatever. And they come on stage and they're just trying to work out of an act. And people want to see the character from the TV set. Oh, yeah. They get this guy. fumbling through jokes, you know, and it's like, so it's, it's, it's, it's weird to see because I'm like, at least I'm glad I'm not that. Right.

To be something I'm not. Yeah. At least, yeah. At least Seinfeld gets to be Seinfeld on and off. Yeah. And they have it luck. They have it easier to it. Like as a comic now, nobody knows who I am.

So I, I walk up there. Now it's like everybody in the honest, like make me laugh. Trying to prove yourself. You're trying to prove myself. It doesn't matter. You know, you open for like a bigger comic. They get a pass. Right.

They already know who does. guy is. Yeah, yeah. They're ready to go. They're ready. And obviously, by the time he gets up there, you've been through, you've been, you, the, what is it the first? There's, what, one or two guys first?

Yes, opener and in the middle at. Opener and the middle guy. Like, they've, obviously, they've prepared the audience for this guy. By the time he gets, he starts getting laugh because everybody's already in the mood to laugh. Now they're. Yeah. But I've, I've stood in the back and watched Carl on stage and then the headliners standing

back with me. And they're like agitated. They're like, get them off. Get him off early. Get him off early. Like he's had, he's too good. And then, you know, he brings the energy so high that the headliner can't continue that. So it's like quick, quick, get them off.

Like with you guys, like I played around a lot. Right. And just kind of, but when I'm doing a 20 minute set, right? Right. It's just boom, boom, boom, joke, joke, joke. How long were you up there for? Like, I did like almost 50, which you guys. Really?

Yeah. It seemed quicker, right? Yeah. It seemed like, if you just said 20 or 30 minutes, I'd be like that. Because that, and that's good. That's fun. That, that, that, then you know you're doing a good job when it feels like, geez, how long have we been? 10 minutes?

Yeah. This guy's got to get off. Yeah. Yeah, I thought the work in the room would, would be good. Yeah, it was, was good. Sorry. It is easier to do that, especially when there's a good room. And that guy started kicked it off with the $30,000.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The guy he immediately went into. Yeah. You don't want to call somebody a snitch, get punched. Like Johnny Mitchell. Johnny Mitchell.

Yeah. You know that is. Johnny Mitchell. Johnny Mitchell is a guy that has a huge, a huge, a huge, what, YouTube, sorry. Yeah, his podcast, very similar to this. TikTok, he's probably got everything. I think I only know, but he's been on the program and he's been interviewed me. But he was a, he was, he's actually got a funny story.

he anyway he was a it's changed it's changed which is one of it was probably the only issue i have one he's very he's very nice and he's one of those guys that you you want to dislike being kind of in the professional and having some issues there and then you want to dislike him and then he came here and he was he was so fucking charming it was irritating do what i'm saying where you're just like oh you're so charming i wanted to hate you don't do that i want to hate you and and you know just funny just get the door for me Oh, nice. And he immediately came in.

He compliments my wife. Tell you, you, tells me, I watch all your stuff, bro. I'm a huge fan. You'll stop it. But, yeah, he was great. Came on, did the podcast. But he was basically, so the issue is initially he was basically kind of like a low-level. And this is funny because it may have changed, whatever.

It may have evolved. But when he got out of prison initially, he came out and he said that he just got out of prison. and he went in for a few years and he was selling grass and got caught and went to prison, did a few years and got out and that was it, you know. But then over the years, and then he started doing comedy.

Well, over the years, he became a big-time dealer with the cartel that they got him for something minor and he went to prison. So it's like, your story has evolved quite a bit. But whatever, put that aside, you know? I think he's that embellishing?

I think so. Yeah. I think so, but here's the problem is, once again, I like him. Like, now I kind of like him. Like, you kind of root for him, right? And so, I mean, that's kind of what's just out there on the internet. But I think he's probably quashed a lot of it. And then any time you talk to a guy who's a real guy who's really dealt in drugs and

cartel with the cartel and everything, they're like, yeah, half of what he's saying doesn't make sense. But regardless, he has a massive following. And once again, he's a comedian. and he's extremely funny, you know, and so on top of that very smart, and has a massive platform right now. But here's why that happened. And everybody's like, oh, because he's amazing.

Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He is amazing. Like I said, he's all those things. I'm not taking any of that way from him. I think probably what happened was he did go to prison because he was selling grass, not at the level he was selling, that he says he is now, but that's neither here nor there. Went to prison.

But while he was in prison, he started doing that. comedy because guys were like, bro, you're funny, you're funny. You should do comedy. And he actually did comedy in prison, which is funny because you go to prison and people don't realize like, you go to prison, it's its own world. You're trapped there inside these gates, but there's 1,800 people or 2,000 or 3,000 inmates in there and you all live together. So it's its own community.

So you do have talent contest. There's fans. Guys play their football teams. There's, you know, there's amazing guitar players. There's all these things that are happening to keep yourself entertained. So he started doing comedy. And he did comedy and did really well at it. He said, but my thing is he's like, I didn't know if it was just because I'm in here that

I'm funny. Am I funny outside? And everyone was like, you got to be a comic, got to be comic. So he got out and he started doing comedy. And he got up. And so there was a video of him where he got up and he's doing comedy at a comedy club. And a guy in the crowd. He's working the crowd, right?

Super smart guy. He can, what did you call it? Riffing. Yeah, riff. Improval. Yeah, he's bam, bam, bam. And a Mexican guy is there. And this is what kills me.

This is why I know you were never in a serious, serious prison. Because if you were in a serious, if you were really in a pin, you would have never thought to say this. The guy says something. He goes, oh, you went to prison for what? Oh, how much were you moving? He has a conversation with him like, what you were doing? like what you were doing. And the guy said, I went for like a year or two or something.

He said a smaller sentence. He goes, oh, you must have snitched on somebody. Okay, I don't know what you're thinking. But if you were in a penitentiary and you, you don't even joke. You don't even joke about it. The way guys out here will be like, oh, bitch, you're crazy. You don't even say that ever. There are certain things you know, you don't say that.

Don't joke about that. Don't use that word. What level were you in? I mean, I was at a medium? for three years and then I went to, I did nine years in a low security prison. And I was in the U.S. Marshals for one year. So it's totaled is just shy of 13. But so Johnny ends up saying, oh, well, you must have snitch.

This guy attacks him. I mean, comes up on state, runs up there, like tackles him, throws him on there. Like they get into a full, it goes off film. And anyway, Johnny's like, you know, what people don't realize, like, I started getting the better of him. They stop it, bro. that dude that guy's like five foot six you're six foot four he threw you off the stage like he attacked you and this is online this is all yeah it's the video is is funny but you don't you know like if you'd really been in a in a real serious prison even now like you i never say like you guys

are like oh bitch you're crazy i never say that i don't say that i would yeah i wouldn't say that to somebody it's extremely disrespectful yeah you know i wouldn't i wouldn't accuse someone of that i certainly if you've been in prison i wouldn't accuse someone of that i wouldn't say that on the street. I wouldn't. So the fact that is this, you got it? 3.9 million views.

And that's what that's a six minute. That's not even a short. That's a six minute video. Oh, I'll bet you there are, I'll bet you people have reposted over and over again. I'll bet you it's got 50 million views on all. I mean, it helps. It helps.

It definitely helps. Here's the thing, though. After that. So I saw that video. Six months later, I started seeing him on doing podcast. Here's the thing. thing is that because he is a comedian, he has access to other comedians, right? You can get to a position where you can meet these guys. And most of the probably out of let's say the top 30 best ranked

YouTube podcast right now, probably 20 of them are run by comedians. They're all massive, massive podcasts. The guys are funny. They bring guys on. They have great conversations. They laugh and joke all the time. They're very entertaining. So he had the ability to get himself on all of these major platforms. And they would ask him about his story. He can tell his story. He tells a great story. I think I know what you're talking about.

Tall, thin, good-looking guy. He's got what? What's his name again? Johnny Mitchell. It's called the Connect with Johnny Mitchell. He's got over a million. Let me see. That YouTube clip, by the way, on his channel's most popular shorts.

Now, this is on his, this is the most popular shorts, 27 million and 7 million views. And he said he was in maximum security? I'm pretty sure. He says a few different ones, but one of them, I believe, is he was at a maximum security prison.

It was like in, you know, I always say when he says it, I'm like, it's lost credibility. He's like maximum security, the worst prison in Idaho. It's like, Idaho. One point two.

Yeah. Or, you know, I forget what state it was, but it's funny. Some people are good talkers, man. Yeah. You know, and it's. Yeah, 1.2 million.

subscribers on YouTube. 1.2 million. And by the way, he started probably, when did you start that channel? Let me see. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say two years. I mean, he, two years. Yep.

He blew up. I mean, just, what is he interview on his channel? Other criminal. Yeah, more so smugglers, a little more hardcore, I would say, than what we do. Yeah. But, yeah.

Yeah, I know you're talking about. More like prison. He'll interview guys about. And they'll talk more about, like, being in prison and prison and more hardcore stuff, murders. And he'll, like, I don't, I don't interview. I don't know. Have I interviewed anybody that's, like a murderer? I don't think so.

I'm murdered on stage. You know, I was like, uh, he's like, you need, you know, he's like, you know who you need interviews. Like, you need to interview. He's like, murder somebody. Just got a prison. I'm like, eh, we don't really. Yeah. He's still, he's still, iffy about this guy.

Yeah. He just got like, give it on me. a stream yard. I was like, what did he do it? I was like, yeah, that's not really

the type of guy we want to have on the show. Did you see when Joe Rogan interviewed the guy and his lawyer and they got him out

after being in prison for like 20 years or something, got him out and then like a couple months later killed oh yeah. Yeah,

yeah. I see Rogan tell the story. Yeah, and then killed his wife like you're killed. So yeah, two months after. So,

explaining how he was, was rehabilitated and all that. Well, we've had a couple guys that were like, they're telling their story, they give their story. And at the end, Matt's like, oh, wow.

It's like, yeah, when was this? They're like, oh, four months ago. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm completely.

Yeah. So you just got out of, I've, I've got out of, I drove here from the, from the ankle monitor. My God. Yeah.

You must see a lot of, of what was, do you think you've, like, had somebody like crazy, crazy? Oh, we've definitely had to be. Yeah.

Yeah, we've, I mean, like telling the truth or just kind of like. There's some interviews. I'll let Matt tell us whatever he's that say. There's some interviews where these people are going on and on. And I just start painting the camera to Matt to just because he's just like. Because my facial express. Because I'm like, I know. And I'll look at the audience is going to be feeling exactly what Matt is.

Oh, yeah. They're just like, uh-huh. Like bullshit. Uh-huh. Sometimes I don't know about bullshit. Because if I'm not here, I always love these guys that get upset. They're like, you shouldn't give this guy a platform. Wait a second.

The guy came on. He told his story. He sent me some paperwork. There was an article. I don't know if, you know, if he stole, you know, $40 million like he's saying, or if it was the $2 million in the article. But this is he's now saying that was the amount was this and that. Like, I'm not doing five hours of research for an hour and a half podcast. Like, what are you doing?

I'm doing, we're doing five and six of these a week. So he gets an opportunity to tell. those story, you know, we could, and even if halfway through the story, I start thinking, that's bullshit. You know, I'm not, I'm not here to judge you and tell you, no, bro, that's bullshit. I don't think so. You know, many times I've had a guy sit here and tell me, um, where they'll go, you know, yeah, I got caught with, uh, you know, uh, two keys of brown.

And, um, you know, so I had a really good lawyer, bro. Like, I got three years. And I'm thinking. And I'm like in federal prison. And they're like, yeah, yeah, no, it was a federal case. I'm like, oh, okay. But I'm sitting there thinking, the mandatory minimum's 10 years. Like, you should be doing a minimum of a 10.

Maybe 20. You got three? Like, the OJ? Yeah, well, he, no, what he obviously, he cooperated against his co-defendants. You know what I'm saying? So you, like, and I don't have a problem with, listen, I cooperated. I got 26. I did 13.

Of course I cooperated. I got 26. I'm a white-collar criminal. I can't do 26 years. No. I don't care who's got out. I'll cut off everybody's half. I don't know how you did 13.

It was, well, they made me do it. But it was like, how'd you do it? Is it like country club prison? No. Like they said? It wasn't, it wasn't. So like the good, got good fellows when they're, you slicing garlic in the room? No, no, you can't cook your own food.

No, no, some people do. You can't, but you can do that in the pen. Oh, you can do that anywhere. But yeah, it was, um, I couldn't go to prison. No, you could, you'd be sure. You're actually in good shape. Yeah, I'd have to fake it. Oh, bro.

Oh, bro. there was way more voice, a way more base in my voice when I was in prison. You know what I'm saying? What's up? Hey, let me get some of that. Let me get some of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That was a totally different. You got to be. What? What? Who you think you're talking? No, man, I'm just joking. I know. No, we could turn the channel whatever you want to turn it to.

I was just, I've had those conversations right. Stood up. No, we're watching walking dead tonight. I'll give a fuck. I'll take that TV to the fuck in. And they're like, sit down, sit down. We're going to let you watch it because you did a lot. Because you did a little show.

He's really scared of you. Everybody had cool nicknames in prison. They had like, you know, their guys, you know, wee and and, uh, Pookie and, and, you know, Big John. And, you know, you know, they got these kind of these, you know, Hulk and, you know, six because he's six foot tall. Or, you know, 20 or, right, was the one guy? Uh, uh, uh, uh, 21.

You know, they got 21. Well, why they call you 21 bodies on my case. That's why. Oh, bro. I'm just fucking wrong. I was just one. I just, you know, they got numbers. I tried to push chainsaw.

Oh, okay. Nice. It never took. Not, not even. No, like, well, I cut wood. No, guys are like, guys are like, I used to work in the forestry industry. Maybe paper cut. You're not dangerous.

That chainsaw is a dangerous guy. Butter knife. Yeah. Would butter knife work? We're going to go with Cox or maybe Mr. Cox. Can we not use Cox in Brazil? Yeah. Cudy.

Yeah, cutie. What was our? Cudy Cucy. It was that way? No, it was someone here to drop off of mail for John Boziac. I was like, oh, he don't live here. Oh, no. Oh, we should have interviewed.

Listen, Tylo's in. Are you up and up in this job? What is that code for? This is my old roommate. Who's dodging child support? Oh, no, shit. And we get all the time. They're like, hi, John Bozziap.

I know. Can you sign here? Doesn't live here. Doesn't live here. I've always been told to say. But now he moved to Thailand. Oh, good friend. They're never getting it.

No. Never getting him. He's still coming. They're coming to Tampa? Yeah. We missed an opportunity with a podcast with him. Yeah. Because we just did a podcast where he left.

And we just did like, oh, why are you leaving? And we're just like, oh, you know, just to try, experience something new. But we should have done it. We should have done it. We should have done it. I'm leaving. They're all over me. And this is just for child support?

Oh, yeah. But it's not like one. This isn't one kid. Oh, really? This is a guy who's been, he's been working on like a football team. No, shit. He's, he's putting, he's set up franchise. He's going to start to Thailand to start a new colony.

Yeah, there's some guy with some paperwork and I was just like, yeah, he don't live here. He's like, I was like, sorry, we're filming a podcast and just kind of shut the door. But you got to get your, you got to get your eye thing fix. I can't, I can't tell what I'm looking at the little people and I can't really tell. Oh, is it? It's just like scratch or something. So that just happened? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I thought, I thought it might have been a guest, like, because we have. a guest later this afternoon. I was like, you know, who might be? Dude, we should have interviewed the guy. I mean, okay, well, when Boziac here, here's a funny story. When Bozziak was here, we're doing a podcast. Matt and him are doing a podcast. The door, loud knocking the door, doorbell rings.

Next thing you know, you just see in the camera, him get up and dart off. Yeah, he bolts. I got up to go check the, he's out the back. And what happens if the guy finds him? But they just serve him, they're going to make him take a DNA test. Oh, because he gets served, he's done. Yeah, then what happens is like if you don't do the DNA test, now you've been served. Right now he can say, I didn't even know this happened.

I've never been served. Once you get served, they can say, and they can do stuff like they can cancel your driver's license. They can start making, they could put an arrest warrant out. Like you're supposed to go take a DNA test and you didn't cancel his driver's license. Put a warrant out for him. Like they're going to get it. So was he being like chased at Walmart and stuff like that? They're just like, they're not that aggressive?

Because I saw somebody get served like at a funeral. No, I've seen people get served like people like in the most rant like the hardest times the guy's grieving and here. He's going to be there. But tough. You should have taken care of it. Like I got no sympathy for you. Should have taken care of you know what's coming. Yeah.

What's funny is one time I got a, I either got a knock at the door for him. Open the door and there's two cops standing there. And I open the door and they go, they go, John Bozique and I go, I go, no. No, they go, does he live here? I said, no. It's good. And I'm sitting there looking at them. And listen, I'm on federal probation.

Oh, geez. Is your heart pounding? He's not supposed to be living here. My probation officer, actually, when she came to check out the house and walked around the whole house and walked into his room, she's like, whose room is this? And I said, oh, I said, this is my wife's daughter. She comes and stays here. She's got a room. So one of her daughters was staying here.

And the other one, there was another room, which was Boziacs. I said this is her other dog. She doesn't stay here a lot, but she does have a room here. And she's like, oh, okay, turned around and walks out. I'm like, and so I'm, keep mind, he's, he's, he has a felony conviction. I'm not allowed to be around other felons. Now, granted, I'm doing the podcast, but they're allowing me to do this, but he certainly can't live here. So I'm, that's one thing.

So I'm already on thin ice. Then I, the door gets knocked. You can put this in here too. I'm okay now. He's entirely. I was just making a note to take this out. No, this is fine. So one day I got a knock and then two cops.

They're like, John Bozique? And I'm like, no. They're like, does he live here? I went, no. And the guy go, the cops, they look at each other and they go, he's not in trouble. This is a welfare check. And they said, a woman called for him saying she hasn't hurt. She's been trying to get in touch with him and can't get in touch with him.

And I go, oh, John Boziak. And they go, yes, John Boziac. I said, yes, he does live here. And I said, who called? And they named. I said, okay, yeah, hold on. I call him on speaker. And I go, hey, you're crazy.

girlfriend just did a welfare check because he's not responding to her call. And he goes, that crazy fucking starts to him. I go, yeah, the cops are here. They went here. He goes, yeah, it's me. And they go, can you give us your date of birth? He's like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, okay, just had to check.

And then they turn. But I'm sitting there while I said that as soon as I said, no, I said, who? I thought, did you just lie to law enforcement while on probation? And luckily, they said he's not in trouble. And I was like, okay, yes. I was like, thank God, you gave me the opportunity to come clean. Because I was sitting here thinking, if I, are you, like, my wife will kill me if I let them leave without correcting that. Yeah.

Yeah. She'll be like, what are you doing? Like, you know, you don't know this guy. When did you get divorced? When did you get divorced? No, I'm talking about my new wife. Oh, you know. My old wife, that was 25 years ago.

Oh, okay. No, my new wife, which is funny because if we had, when we were doing the, when I met you had gone down the thing and you've been like, oh, who's this? I'd be like, oh, my wife. Oh, where'd you meet? Halfway house. She did five years for a ice. How did I get, how did I, can we go back? You would have been like, what is it happening?

This is insane. And we're friends with the FBI agent in this way. Oh, God, that's, that's good. Wow. Yeah. And that was like true love or you just had something in common right away. Like, how do you even approach somebody like that? Well, you know, like when I got to the halfway house, like there were like three things.

I needed, right? And I was like, so the first thing I did was I luckily had just gotten another, I had optioned. One of the options came to do and I got a check. I got like $7,000. So the first thing I knew I needed was I needed a car. So I got that check and I went and bought a car. And, you know, and then I needed a job. So I called a buddy who owns a gym. And I said, hey, man, I need a job. He said, oh, I'll give you a job. I said, okay. And then I, I remember I needed a girlfriend and I looked around the halfway house. I said, I'll take that one. I tell her she gets furious. The money left over, I can buy you a steak.

She gets, she gets, she gets, yeah. What's funny about her is like she didn't want to date me. Like, because keep mind, she's, she's a criminal. No, she's a criminal. She's a criminal. She's a criminal. Wait a second. Oh, listen, if you saw her, one arm's completely sleeved.

Oh, yeah. Just did five years. Way tougher than me. Grew up in, you know where Opo. What was her nickname? You know what? You know where Okachovia is? Deal.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she grew up in Okachobi. Oh, yeah. So it's like Okeechobee is known for like like dairies and like meth. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, she didn't work in the dairy. So met her. It's like she was, let me give you an example.

Her first husband, Johnny Buck. Johnny Buck and she, yeah. Oh, listen, she knows guys named Skeeter. Yeah. Johnny Buck, Skeeter, you know, they're all, they got these names that you're like, oh my God, this is straight out of casting of, you know. Deliverance. Yeah. But so they ran a hog hunting tour guide service for six years where she took grown men out, groups of men out, and hunted down wild hogs and killed them, skinned them, gutted them, cut up the steak, packed it in cyrophone, and let them leave with their hog.

That's what they did for six. Yeah, that's hard core. This is a tough chick. Yeah. She, while, after she got to the halfway house, she went and got, she became a marine mechanic. And right now, she is in class to take the Florida, the, sorry, the U.S. Coast Guard captain's license to get her license as a captain. So she can ride, do airboat tours. Oh, wow.

And she works for a yacht management company. So she can also do, uh, be a captain on yacht. This is like, she's like serious. That's pretty cool. She's the man in the house. Like when the landlord says,

hey, can you check the, check the water sprinkler system? I'm like, that would be, that'd be, that'd be an assignment for jazz. Let me forward this. He keeps sending me stuff.

Hey, can you check the alarm system? I got a notification. It went down. I'm like, yeah, I don't know why you keep asking me. Right. Right.

Of course. I appreciate it. Yeah. Keep me in the loop. Yeah. I'm not changing the tire. That's what you're trying to tell me. What's the comedian?

He walks on stage. He's a little chubby, blonde hair. He does the jokes about his mom, about his wife. He's always talking about his wife. Jim Gaff again? Yeah, is that? He does the clean stuff? Yeah, he's very clean, but he does a skit where he's like, the plumber was at my house.

And, you know, so I walk by and he stops me and he starts talking to me about, you know, the water heater. And I'm like, you know, I don't even know if we have a water heater. He's like, but we would like to buy one. you if you're selling. He's like, I don't know. I mean, I,

everything he says about his role in the household resonates with me. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I feel you, bro. Change the light. Light bulb goes out.

You get a new lamp. I'll come on a Saturday or something. I'll walk out. Jess will walk in and she's got like some grease on her and stuff in her blue jeans or hat and her cowboy booth. And I'll be, what's going on? She's like,

I'm just changing my oil. Of course. Of course you are. We have a, we have an oil thing out of? We can do that? Or she's like, she's like,

hey, I'm going to my dad's tomorrow. Is that okay? I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Well, he needs,

you know, his brakes are out. And so I'm going to go there. I just got the pads. And so I'm going to go. Yeah. We're going to our neighbor's house. They have a nuisance alligator.

Listen, I'm just going to get rid of it. She changed my neighbor's battery. The old guy next door his car wouldn't start. She's over there changing his battery. I got it. I got it. I got it.

Did you want to help? I know all these dudes are coming over. Hey, your wife on? Yeah, exactly. All right. I'm going to take it to the shop. Yeah, she's tough.

So if you'd stop, if you'd focus in on her a little bit. Man, it would have been. You know, I tried to get to everybody. I guess I ran out of time. I should have got that. I missed the juicy part. I thought that did with as long. I let him go.

I don't normally let him just talk for it, but I was like, yeah. So what was the story? What was this guy? This is talking about the gambling guy? Yeah. So what did he say? Like what, what happened?

Do you, he, uh, man. I mean, I can remember. Yeah. Oh, you're good at this. Yeah. No, but I mean, his thing was, he just was kind of working the room. It's like, oh, what do you? And he said, oh, what do you do?

Like, he got the guys down. Talking about single. I think it's single people. He's like, I just broke up with my girl. Yeah, yeah. And he said, yeah, oh, how single? It was like, oh, a week, two weeks, whatever. He's like, oh, what happened?

Yeah. Oh, what happened? He said, well, she, she lost $30,000, gambling. But the story comes out. On penny slots. Right. On a shipping, on a cruise ship.

But the story came out that a couple weeks beforehand, they had been gambling. And he said, I don't gamble much. She does. And she had a bunch of jackpots in a row and had won a chunk of money. Then she went on a cruise with a dude, right? No, I don't think that wasn't the other dude. I just think she went on a cruise with some friends. And she lost $30,000.

Came home, said, I got robbed. and someone stole my credit card and they ran up a bunch of debt and I don't have money to pay my rent. Can you, can I borrow a couple thousand dollars from you? And he goes, sure, show me your credit card. Show me where they ran up these debts. Show me where the, show me all the evidence and I'll lend you the money. She got into a huge fight with him and then that he was then we broke up. No, they didn't break up.

She left. He said the next day or two they were talking and she said, he found out or she told him he had borrowed three or four thousand dollars from another man and and he said and right then i said we're done we're done so you know good for you man right and he was that's what came out but it was a therapy session it was he was like he was like i'm like does everybody feel i think i said that yeah we all come out of here feeling good about we're releasing a lot of things yeah you were because that's what everybody was given like the guys are Like, yeah, oh, no, and remember the first woman was like, yelled it.

Did she say something about him? Yeah, the first girl's like, oh, you're an asshole for breaking up at Christmas. And then he goes, well, wait a minute, we don't know the story. Yeah. What happened? And they told the story. And she's like, oh, okay. And I'm like, I can change your two.

Carl's like, yeah, how do you feel now? Yeah. How do you feel now? This guy's a hero. It was good. Yeah, that was funny stuff. Yeah, then he went to Tom. Yeah.

And you can imagine, he's thinking I'm going to be able to play around with Tom. And Tom, he's like, what do you do? FBI. Yeah. Private detective, FBI. I'm like, yeah, I guess we're done talking. I felt investigated. Definitely.

But I talked to his son, you know, and his son was cool because he was like, I'm a biologist. But I want to jump out. I'm like, what do you want to do with that? Jump out of planes. I'm like, that's not even just in the same area. I know. Dad, do you know about this? You're paying all his money for college?

And then I see him his page, actor. He was playing you. I just told you I made a movie. You come up and go, hey, you got anything coming up? Maybe I can jump on. What was the other one was the chick was somebody was, she had a degree in a psychology. And then you say, you go,

I just be a life coach. Yeah. He says, doesn't that suck now? Because now you could just be a life coach. She's like, yeah, I know. And she knew. That's great. That's awesome.

You see in her face like these motherfuckers. You just go on social media, build yourself up a little following. And some catchy catchphrases, like some stupid quotes. Today's going to be a good day. I've had multiple guys on here that that's what they do now. Like they're like life coaches. So there's Luke.

But Luke successfully runs multiple car lots and has several different businesses. So he's turned himself into like, and he went to prison. He was addicted to opiates, robbed the bank. he's like six foot two massive walks into the place with the with the mask and says i think we all know why i'm here whoa put the money in the bag and they they all jumps in his car leaves and it's funny the description was so spot on his father calls him that night and says you want to tell me something he goes no why what and he goes did you rob a bank today he goes why why would you say that. He is, there's a six foot four, six foot two guy with a massive, massive. He said they jumped into a car and left.

Doesn't your girlfriend have a Pontiac? You know, whatever it was. He's like, don't know what you're talking about. He's like, yeah, well, I'm just letting you know they may be looking. It said just married sign all that. Like, what are you doing? So how much time do you do for that? I think he did like four years or something. That's it for armed robbery? Well, I don't know. Was he armed or maybe it was six. It wasn't that. He thought that bad. Robin Banks is not that bad. As long as you don't, well, I don't think he, I forget the exact scenario, but he didn't, it wasn't that bad. He couldn't have a gun, right?

Must have been a note, was it? Maybe it was a note. Yeah, maybe. He just walked in and acted like he had a gun or stuff. I don't know. But so if you rob a bank with a gun, like if you walked in right now with a gun, you could, you'd probably get four or five years. Maybe more. Now, if you brandish the gun and scared people or if you fired it, you're getting probably 10 or 15.

But if you just kind of showed him the gun or if you just walked up and said, I have a weapon or whatever. If you use a note, if you just use a note and you don't threaten anyone in the note, you're going to get three years. I'd write a nice one. Like, like a, hey, excuse me. I know a guy who robbed. Sent it. He robbed three banks.

One of the banks was he robbed it twice. He robbed three banks, one twice. And with a note. And all the note said was you're being robbed. Put the money, you know, give me all the money in the drawer. Immediately nobody will get hurt, you know. And so it wasn't directly threatening. really and so they gave him like $2,500.

I think they don't ever make any money. It's $2,500 or $1,500. It's not even worth it. He got the money left. I'm going for the safe. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd be like, take me to your safe. That'd be in the note.

Yeah, well, read it. You're getting, you're getting a long time. They gave me a draw. I'd be like, read the note. There's more on that note. Listen, I love the guys. In the PS. I love the guys that say, give me the money.

And they're like, they're like, no. She's like, it's in the PS. It's go to the bank. Can you see the final? There's lots of people. And they're like, no. Yeah, they're like, no, I'm not going to do that. And they'll actually struggle with it.

I would pull out another piece of paper, write another note. I'm serious now. And then these guys take off on the run or the girls will chase them. There's some funny one. Really? Oh, yeah. So, but, listen, my favorite one is the college kid that I was locked up with that had, it was in college.

He robbed, like, the bank on, you know, on campus, like the credit union or something. He goes in with a BB. He and another guy going with. the BB gun with BB guns and they go get on the ground get on the ground and several people kind of hunched but weren't really getting down and the one kid pulls shoots the BB gun yeah it ricochets and hit somebody in the left hit the woman in the leg boom and she goes I'm hit and she falls and on the ground he's like listen I swear to you he's she it didn't break the skin like literally there was the cops took 10 photos a different angles you try make it look horrible

He's like, it's clearly a BB. It didn't break the skin. But he said, we immediately got, like, she screams. I got, you hear the and big, I'm a head. And he was like, oh, God. And they ran. They don't even get the money. They take off on the run.

He goes home, goes immediately to the dorm where he's staying, shaves his head. Oh, geez. So he's sitting there. He goes, I'm shaving my head. I'm bleeding. My roommate walks in. You can hear sirens. He was like, hey, man, did you just hear that.

So he robbed the bank. You know, and he's like, yeah. And he's like, why are you shaving your head? Did they get caught? Day, of course. Within a day, like the next day they grab him. Why did you shave your head? You had hair yesterday.

That's great. He gets locked and he's like, and I'm like, he's like, when we're running, he said, why did you shoot the BB gun? He's like, oh, no, bro. I just thought I was trying to make a point. He's like, it's a BB gun. Right. They weren't listening. Nobody moved.

Tink. Shooting the BB gun. It's just coming on your head. Tink. He said he used to always joke the fact that she screamed on hit. Oh, yeah. Was that just a patron? That wasn't even to tell her.

No, it was just some woman in the wild. I'm bleeding out. Yeah. Everybody's so dramatic. Get a turtick. Get a turkish. I'm not going to make it. Tell my family I love him. Get up, March.

You can you stand again. Stand up. Get up, Mark. Betty, get up. I picture that dude just Dude we got to go on the lamb You can hear them That be you

That be me I'd be a paranoid Like you were talking like You see a cop behind you? Me too I'm like to Or at the airport? They know

I don't know Fuck why is that dog looking at me And I don't even have drugs on me Like I don't even do drugs I'm like that fucking dogs on me Listen What does somebody pack my bag They know I have more than four ounces

Of liquid Do you see Sam Kiddison? Remember Sam Kettah? He had a whole skit about the girlfriend. He cheats on his girlfriend. He said, he cheated on her. And then I'm like, look, I know it's horrible. I'm leaving.

And then she's like, no, no, don't leave. And she hugs me. And she's crying. And I thought, my God, what an amazing woman. He goes, what I didn't hear when she was sobbing was don't leave yet. I haven't gotten you back. And he goes, a week later, I go to a comedy club. And she packs her bag.

And she puts a loaded 30. in there, or 22. And he said, I go through, I'm going through. And all of a sudden, you hear, beep, beep, beep. And I'm staying there looking around. All of a sudden, you hear somebody go, he's got a gun. And I thought, oh, my God, someone's trying to get a gun through you. I'm about to see some shit.

And he's like, I'm looking around. I started realizing they're coming towards me. He's an ass they're coming towards me with their weapons, I think, that bitch. That's great. I wonder if that's, that's probably true. It's probably. He was insane. He had a crazy life.

He was the best. He was. Yeah, I heard he did like the one album or whatever. And then when he was getting started to get really famous, it was, it wasn't as good. Oh, yeah. Well, that you use a lot of your, some of the, some of their best. Your best stuff. And plus you're hungry.

Yeah. You're on the grind, you know. And then when you get famous, like, well, now what's the struggle? Right. How are you going to write good bits? That's why I'm funny because I've been struggling the whole career. Like, that's why I'm constantly coming up with good shit. It's funny because somebody was talking about, this was probably a couple years ago, somebody was talking to me, like, well, how do you, these guys, they have good stories.

What do you look for? I'm like, you know, I mean, I look for if they can tell their story, right? Like, you could have sold $200 million in an amazing Ponzi scheme, but you can't tell your story. You could have had all the media. It could be phenomenal, but you just can't tell it. It's no good. And you can have a crick head that's been in four car chases with the police and has been. in and out of jail 20 times over the last 20 years, but he can tell a story.

Yeah. And they're hilarious. I'd rather have that guy. But what I've noticed is that I mean, there's more to this, but I used to always say, like, losers have the best story. Because some guy who went to high school, graduated, went to college, met a girl, married her, got the job. He wanted right out of college. They had a kid. They've got two kids.

He teaches. You know, he teaches Little League right now. Like, great guy. He's, that is the guy that is the great American success story. That's the middle class. He runs this country. God bless him. He doesn't have a story.

No, you know, I'm in a coldest sad. His wife's cheating on him. Like, that's just, like, what's the story? Like, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But he, you have to have been through some shit. You have to have been evicted. You have to have some domestic violence in there. You've got to have.

You got to. your wife. Do you want a good story? You want to have a good story. You want to have a good story. You don't have to be crime, but you have to have an alcohol problem. Exactly.

You meet a headache? Yeah. We can talk. Dude, I'm sober 11 years. I got stories, bro. Yeah. I was a train wreck. I was a couple bottles a day for legit.

Really? Oh, hell yeah. See, those are probably the more interesting. I did all, like, yeah. I did cruise ships for 10 years. I was working. It was a comic on a. a cruise ship. I did carnival for 10 years. I was fucking lost. It was soul-crushing.

See, we should have just started with your story. I mean, I think, this is what I think. I mean, it's been flowing so good. I think I'm just going to have you do a little intro like, hey, me and Tom Simon, we're at a, we're at a comedy club. And then we brought to do a little intro and then I'll just start it off when they ask you. Because I think it's interesting for the audience. I think it's always interesting for the audience to see someone who doesn't know Matt story, realize the story. Especially a comic. Yeah, yeah.

We just met. Yeah, yeah. I'll send you a podcast. It's funny because I always think, when I were to think the best podcast I did was probably Danny's or soft white underbelly. But everybody else is, everybody else says, so I did, do you know who Lex Friedman is? Yeah. So I did Lex Friedman.

Oh, cool. And it was seven hours? Seven hours. Oh, my gosh. No, it was actually, I think it's six and a half now. I think it was like seven and a half. He trimmed it down to six and a half. It's one of the longest podcast he's ever done.

And I wouldn't have been that long. I was ready to go and do my two-hour bid. That's it. But instead, he just kept asking questions and asking questions. And I was like, and during the break, I was like, bro, I can wrap this up.

He was no, keep going. I want to go as long as we. I was like, I'm going to need a sandwich. Is people watching six hours of content? It was 11.1 million so far. I mean, we have. No, I'm sorry, one.

Sorry, one point one. We have a 20-hour video on match. of him telling his story. Wow. 20 hours. I mean, it's told over the course of six months

and it's got over 100,000 views. Yeah. It's probably just watch a lot. Oh, yeah. They listen to a little bit. It's truck drivers. They're forklift.

They might have a job where they can listen six, seven hours a day. Yeah. You're doing dry wall for eight hours. And you, you know, I mean, there was a comment on.

Like your wife. She's doing dry. When she's doing drywall. You know, I mean, yeah. One of the most, like, comments on the last video was like, who else falls asleep

to Matt Cox every night. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to go to sleep to forensics files. You know, you want to hear like about death and... I did like a junket for a, for this guy.

My wife and I in, somewhere in the Keys. What was it? Was it? Largo? I don't know. Biscuit. Anyway, one of the keys down there, we went to this resort. And the guy that invited me to it kept introducing me as, listen, this is Matt Cox.

I go to sleep to him every night. And I, you know, and after about the third. Why I said, bro, can you do me favor? Because you did not say that. You're introducing, like, I'm mad. I just fall asleep. Yeah. You just say, I listened to him, his podcast.

He might have met a soothing voice. Yes. You know, old, old, uh, what was this nickname? Chain saw. I was an old chainsaw. What would you say? Cudycocks. I used to know old cutiecocks.

He was hardcore prison. Can I, can I, I do, I do want to. I do have a couple of questions real quick, which was, one is, are you from Florida? Yeah, born and raised. Oh, where? Yeah, in Broward area. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Is Broward, no, that's Pascoe. To me, that sounds like Miami. Right next to Miami. Yeah, yeah, Lauderdale. Okay. Broward Dade counties. Yeah, Broward Dade. Okay.

Broward Day. Yeah, yeah, you're right. In my mind, anything south of Fort Pierce is Miami. All straight out the trailer park. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. Yeah.

I'm not point in punch. I'm not hiding anything. Listen, when I met, I was going to say, when I met why I'm wife, and I kept hitting on her, she was like, I'm not dating you.

She's like, I make fun of guys like you. And she goes, whatever, am I fulfilling some kind of white trash fantasy you have? I'm like, Jesus.

She was like, I'm like, mean about it. Maybe. Yeah. Try him. Yeah. But, yeah,

I was going to say, I know I used to do Freedom of Information Acts when I would, interview these guys and I'd want to get their criminal and Dade Broward share a jail. Oh, the sheriff's department.

It's like that Dave Broward something. I think they share. So anyway, so you were born down there. And you said you, like you went to school. Yeah, I went to Marine Biology and Nova South Eastern.

Why? Did five years because I wanted to put pills and fish ultimately. I didn't know why. Like, not I look back on it. Well, I think it stemmed from when I was like a kid. I always wanted to just go play football. But for some reason, I took it like an academic scholarship.

And then I think it's stemmed from going to SeaWorld and stuff and watching like the mammal trainers. Entertained. They're riding these whales. And I always thought it was cool. And I was like, I want to do that. So I kind of wanted to do that. I wanted to be a marine mammal trainer. I guess I just wanted to kind of be an entertainer and pick up chicks.

You know, I think that was it. I think it was like, so I could be like, I have a giant whale. I'd love to show you. I'm like, sure you do. No, I really have a giant whale. But I wanted to do that. Come back to my place. I'll show you my giant whale.

I just wanted that one line. I knew that they weren't using it. They're probably not using it. This is a genius. So I was like, and then I sent away letters for them and they only made like eight bucks an hour. I'm like, how do you live up? Like you can't even, they house you, I guess. But they got it.

Every once in a while, an orca will grab a hold of them. and dragging around. Exactly. And they'll get some views. But that's the thing, Blackfish? Did you see Blackfish? Do you see Blackfish? The documentary?

Blackfish? No, I was incarcerated. It wasn't on the inmate movie channel. Oh, was it? But I heard about it. All the inmates are picketing. Free the whales. But yeah.

It's hard to watch. It's like really sad. Yeah. No, it's really good. And I would have been on that documentary if I had gotten the job at Sea World because they were all like disgruntled. But they were the same year that I sent away that I would have did it. Like they were all out talking about the abuse of the way that was that was that was the

the trainer that got dragged around was she on it I remember that's what I was talking about where they grab her by the yeah yeah she well she died yeah yeah I know so they that's what sparked this whole documentary oh okay okay so and then I and then I was like well let me just go to you know I enjoyed jacousto when I was like a kid and I was like let me just Colby has no idea who jacqueshastow is like a French what I was just thinking I have no idea what he was like the big, I know, sorry, I guess, I guess why would you know that? It's not like a big, he was like an explorer of the ocean. Yeah, because when we grew up, there were three chances. Yeah. He was on one of them. And he was constantly, he built a whole habitat under, under the

ocean and lived there. Yeah. They lived under the ocean. Like it was super cool. And then did everything, like things with sharks and I just thought it was so, it was like the coolest thing you could possibly do in my mind back then. Yeah. And then when I got to college, it's like, down now you're basically in marine biology you're basically pre-med for like so you're doing you're not even seeing the ocean I'm three years in I'm like when are we going to go to the ocean like can we never even go so so I dropped out like I think I had like 15 20 credits left and I was like I don't want to do it. I just like I'm sorry of money I'd rather just pay student loans right and just so so I just dropped out and then I think a couple years later it was like I was

a lot of like promotional stuff. I was modeling. And like it's fucking horrible. Like it was so gay. Like you talk about I was doing like some runway stuff. I wasn't like a chisel job. I was cut. I was still lean. I was you know, but I wasn't a model, but I did it. But it was so, it was so like degrading and stupid. I'm like, what are we doing?

And then I would always just crack jokes. I feel like this is like what was his name? The guy, the wrestler that was trying to make me feel bad for him. The local, he's a local wrestler. Yeah, yeah, there was a wrestler who also were owned like a studio, and he actually had, they had a lot of the girls living in houses,

and he was living there because they kept getting their fights, and they were a train wreck. He's like, he's like, you know, and these women, he's like, you know, they're constantly throwing themselves at you, they're bored, and, you know, they're all. Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker, his name is John. He's like, and they're, you know.

He was trying to make it feel bad for him. He's like, you know, every night it's like, you know, who can, ooh, they're trying to, like, it's a game to try and sleep with me. He's like, you know, and after a while it's just like enough. You know, like I'm sick of them. And I'm sitting there. Wait, this doesn't, this sounds nothing like that. Yeah. No, that was just, I was a model and I, you know.

I know. It's so degrading. Oh, no. No, it was, it was gay. It was what I meant to say. I don't know. I didn't want to expose it like this. These women were looking at me.

They didn't see me. No, these women weren't looking at it. That was the gay. part. Like, it was like, I tried doing it for a little while. And I thought, I thought this was horrible. And then, then we were doing promotional stuff. Like, we worked for Marlboro, go to these nightclubs late at night and pass out like Marlborough swag.

You got the good beard. Yeah, well, I did that for the movie. I'll explain that later. Okay. Yeah. I was going to say, I can't grow a beard like that. I can't grow a thick beard like that. Oh, no.

No, I look like a homeless person. I have like patches that don't grow or they're real thin. Yeah. Yeah, it's because you're cuty Cox. from prison Thank God you weren't there to give me that name

That would have stuck That would have stuck That would have been horrible This is quite a few Big guys Big guys at lifers That were like How are you doing?

So I was like Well I don't know what to do In my life And then my friend was saying I'm gonna be I'm gonna do stand up At this club And I'm like

You're gonna do what? And I knew what comedy was But I thought They were like Unicorns back And I'm like, how do you become a comic? You got to be in LA. You got to do whatever.

Right. So he went up to do the open mic and then he wrote jokes or whatever, but then backed out, got nervous. Like, well, why are we here? I mean, I could understand that. I'd be, I'd be pretty nervous. But he was going home and I'm like, oh, this is going to be amazing. I can't wait to see you. And then he's like, I don't know.

And I'm like, we were doing promotions. We were talking in front of people doing all these things. So I'm like, I can do it. I'm like, I'll do it. Give me those jokes you wrote. Yeah, yeah. So, no, basically, I was like, well, what do you got to do? And so I was like, oh, I'd do it the following week. And so I did it the following week. It was a train wreck. And I was like, this is what I want to do.

I got boot offstate. Somebody threw something. After three months of modeling, I quit modeling. I was saved up enough to go full time. I had made nothing on it. No, I was bartending. Right. I was bartending. Right. I was bartending in. That's where my criminal history comes in. Since we're on a criminal podcast, I might be still. He was filled a fanny pack. He what? He wore a fanny pack. Yeah. At Rainforest Cafe.

He looked like a gay Panama Jack. It was horrendous. It was so degrading. But I got to the bead behind the bar and stuff. And we would rob that place, blah. Right. How? Oh, my God.

Just because a lot of foreigners there paid in cash. You know, you used to be like, you know, 1495, two jungle runners. And you'd be like, it's 14. You know, you just type it in on the computer and then verbally, this is 1495. They give you a 20. It's 20. And then you go to the fucking remember in your mind to change to here you go. Go back a little later.

Oh, and I took out $7.96. And, you know, and next time you get the cash, then right under the bucket as long as you do a transaction. They have no idea. No idea. Like I would literally, if something, like walk out of there with days where it'd be like, you didn't have any cash sales. Like, it's just all credit cards. It's crazy.

Like, I don't know. Everybody's got credit cards these days. Right. So I'd walk out of it with nothing. But we had, we were all doing it too. Just can't incriminate me, right? That's their double. Like, it's been, probably up to 20, five years.

But I didn't feel back because it was corporate. And I was, I was doing them favors. Like, I was pouring the well when it should have been the better premium stuff. So I was saving them money. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to explain to me. No, I'm with you.

Yeah. Fuck to me. For more for her. I was saving them money. And it's like, I didn't notice about you. But I worked with something. But he had this one girl's friend of mine. But she would be like, she wouldn't even go to the register.

Just go to the start doing it. I'm like, what are you doing? She's counting out change from her pocket. I'm like, at least pretend like we're putting it in there. Like, you're the worst criminal. I thought it was pretty good. I thought I had a future in this. Right.

And everybody eventually got fired, got caught, got fired. never got caught. Never got. They had me on a loophole. Like a, they were like, they called me in. They were like, I'm sorry, can you stop at loophole? Yeah. Wade.

I just realized wave, we're, hold on. Landing. Okay. Hold on. Sorry. No, you're good. Bro, I'm in the middle of a podcast period. Can you Uber here?

Question mark. He have a buddy of mine who, um, who does a podcast that he came here and did a podcast. that he came here and did a podcast before. Actually, we're going to redo his podcast because it was three years ago. He actually, quick story is he and his wife were married. They got separated. She started dating somebody else. They ended up reconciling the new boyfriend is upset about it when she breaks up with him.

He's telling everybody he's going to basically he's a drunk and he's telling him, I'm going to fucking kill this motherfucker. They have a mutual friend. who gets the two of them together to kind of talk about like hey calm down the guys like I just want to ask him some questions he's like okay so talks to Wade says Wade how long were you seeing her I was really in love with her where you guys really was you know and he's like no no she was she does care about you she did care about you we have kids together we reconciled I understand where you're at you know he's like okay well they were drinking and then they went back to his place his buddy had to go to work the next day so whatever so Wade agrees to drive this guy back they go to his place real quick for some reason. I forget what the reason is. Go inside. And he's like, I'm going to drive him back to his place. I don't know if I have this exactly right. But they get to his kitchen. And in his kitchen, there's only one way in, one way out. They start talking. He's like, everything's fine. They get into a slight argument. Not, I'm sorry, they have a good time. Whatever. He's like, basically, it's like, you can sleep here or I can just drive you home. He's like, he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're about to leave.

The guy goes, let me go to the bathroom, goes in the bathroom, comes back, walks in the kitchen. He just looks completely different. He goes, I'm going to fucking kill you. And he goes, what? He goes, and just attacks him. So I'm wedged up in the corner of the, and I'm fighting with this fucking guy, ex-fucking military.

Wade is not ex-military. Get to the fight kicking him up, pushing him back. The guy's punched him a bunch of times. Wade, at one point, he said, I get him like a bear hug, and I'm telling him like, like, Wade's like, Wade's armed. He says it's concealed weapons permit. He's like, bro, he's like, I will fucking shoot you if you,

if you fucking, Don't stop this. The guy still struggling. Pushes him back. Guy comes in again. Pushes him back again. And he's like, I can't get out because he's in front of the doorway. He goes, I pulled my fucking gun.

Boom, boom, boom. Shoot him twice. The guy dead. When the authorities show up, they take the, they take him away. They take the, take his report. And a couple days later, they charge Wade with, with manslaughter. No, no, with murder, with killing him. And Wade ends up fight.

He goes to jail. He bonds out right away, hires an attorney, spends his entire 401k on this attorney and forensic everything. And it takes about two years before they eventually drop the case. They go, okay, we're going to drop it. The fact that this guy attacked him in his own house and he executed, like the fact that they even charged him is ridiculous. But it was really pushed by this one detect, female detective was the first case. Her first case is an homicide. Since then, by the way, she's been demoted all the way down to.

She's like he's like a school resource officer. Anyway, but Wade has a podcast and we're friends. And so he's coming. Oh, cool, cool. He'd be an interesting guy out of him. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

Come, bring them tonight. Yeah. Yeah, come out to the show. Oh, yeah. Oh, you got to. There's two shows tonight. Yeah. We have two tonight.

Seven. I'll get your tickets. Just come in to hang out with us. No, I'm going to pay. I know. I know. I know. It goes without saying.

It doesn't matter. Sometimes I'll just walk in with confidence. You just walk in a place for confidence. They just, they should be here. We don't have. We need people. Go and get out of them. I was going to say when people are leaving, it's like, look, please come back.

Please bring someone. Yeah, for real. If you leave, if you leave, you bring back two more people. Yeah, come out. So, okay, sorry, I'm sorry, but you were saying. You go ahead. Oh, what was this? What were we?

No, you said stop. When I almost got, the only time I didn't get fired, when they called me in and I was, my till was over. See? See? So I was like, yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. And they were like, and I'm like, I knew.

At that point, I'm like, this is mutual. I'm going to, I'm going to go. And they're like, yeah. So it was going to, that was like being fired. Yeah. We all. You know what? I'm so offended that you even brought me in here.

I can't work here anymore. Yeah. And they're like, okay. Yeah. I turned it on them. Yeah. So no, I'm leaving. So it was kind of like that.

Listen, I had, I told this one. Remember the popcorn story? I was thinking. I was thinking. This is a buddy. This is in high school. He worked at a at a movie place at like AMC. And we would go in there.

He'd like let us in like this like go go meet me at the side at this time and I'll unlock the door. You know, he'd let you in or he'd act. He'd be like, come on. I'll let you. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's a buddy mine. So I remember I asked him because he worked there like for years. I worked at a theater. And we said, we said, bro, what do you?

Why do you work here? You know, we're all working like construction jobs where you're getting paid. Back then, he's getting paid like three. like whatever minimum wage, like $3.65, right? And we're like, we're all making like $8, you know, which is big money. And we're like, what do you work here for, bro?

And we're still, we're all like 16, 17 years old. And he goes, man, I make like $20, $25 an hour. Working and we're like, what? That you said you made minimum wage. He's, oh, yeah, no, no, no. No. What we do is, he said everything is run off of inventory. So he said, if somebody comes up and they say,

hey, it's two coax and a popcorn. That comes to $20. So we say, or maybe it comes to 1975. He's like, we hit the thing, take the 20, hit the thing, give them a quarter from your pocket. Take the 20. And then we give them a popcorn, two coax and a popcorn. He's like, I'm like, well, what do you mean? Where do you get the, he's anything in the night.

They count up the popcorn bags. So you sold 690 of these. You need this much. popcorn and this many for drinks, for mediums, and this many larges. He said, well, what we do is when we go to take out the garbage, we pull out the old ones, wash them out, dry them out, stack them up. So we have a second stack we all know to pull from if you get exact change. Wow. So here's your boom, boom. And he had a whole thing

where he said, I was like, bro, that is disgusting. He's, oh, he says, that's nothing. He said, one time I had taken out the garbage and we hadn't washed it. out the cups yet and this guy gave me like a 20 for like two larges and a large popcorn. It was exactly $20. And I was like, like that's $20 in my pocket. And I was like back then. That's 60 bucks. Right.

So he grabs, he said, I grabbed the one and he said, there's still some, some, you know, Coke in the bottom, you know, little little bubbles of Coke or whatever you want, droplets. He was no big deal. I fill it up. The next one I grabbed, he was there's a couple of corns of popcorn. and a chewed up piece of gum. And he said, I hit the, he was, I hit the, um, the ice machine, pour the ice, fill it up, pop it up there, give it to him, never heard anything about it. I was like, yeah, you would.

It's dark theater. I know, never eat out. Like, never. I worked at Little Caesars. Oh, I remember we dropped the dough and my guy, this guy dropped all the dough in the, in the, in the, in the, at the end of the end of that. I'm like, we got to do this over. He starts putting them all back into things. I'm like, dude, that was my first introduction when I was 15 to how dirty.

Right. You know, and then working into restaurant industry, the five second rule. Right. That applies. Like everything is, yeah, it's garbage. Listen, that applies. I love it whenever we go out to eat, Jess and I go out there, oh, what do you want? Do you want this?

Do you want that? I'm like, no, whatever. Either one's fine. Yeah, no, okay. You want it this way? You have no idea what I've eaten. Like, do you understand? They don't make any bad food out here.

There's nothing on the menu I won't eat and be thankful for it. Unless it's so hot because I don't want it hot stuff. But other than that. How bad is the food in there? It's pretty bad. It's not as bad as you think. Do you eat like that? No, it's not like that.

When you see a movie, they come home. That's like state prison. That's like state prison where these guys are getting robbed and beat up and there's rapes and stuff. That's not. That's very seldomly happening. Was there rapes in your prison? I mean, you know, there's the thing like gay guys get arrested.

Yeah, gay guys get arrested. So gay guys in prison, like, you know, the gay guys will tell you like, like, you know, gay guys rock or they rule in prison. Like they get there and within a week like guys are buying them tennis shoes. They're buying them. Because these guys have 30 years, life sentences. Yeah. And, you know, so they're like, you know, if you need any.

And that's how it always starts. You have some guy come up and you go, hey, you need anything. No. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the way them pants fit you. All right, we're done. We're done.

What the fuck you just said? With the funny cutie cocks. Yeah, but I'm five foot six. They just put their hand on my head. They're like, stop it. But still, you got to fight through it. They're like, he means this. Don't mess with cutie cox.

Oh, listen, I have a whole, I have a whole bit about when I first got to prison. this is bad I was going to say, first of all, like, imagine imagine me. Yeah. How many years ago? No, no. On that shell shank line.

18 years ago. So 18 years ago, remove some wrinkles. But, you know, maybe a little thinner. I get to prison. And when I get to prison, what I didn't realize is that all the pants size run a little bit small. So I go the day the second day you get there you go and you get your you get your clothes. So I get my clothes and I go and the guy I'm I'm like, yeah, size whatever I said.

I forget like size 30 or 31's. And he's like, you're more like a 34, 35 and I went, never been a. I'm not a three talking about. I said, no, 31, maybe 32's at most. Guy goes, all right. And he just kind of, okay. gives me my stuff. Well, they run small.

So I'm basically, by the time I pull my pants on, like, I'm, I'm sporting a camel toe. I got a camel. I'm walking around prison and tight, tighty little pants. You couldn't get it back? Yeah, I could, but it takes a while. Like, you have to go back in, give them the club, write a cop out. It takes a couple of days. So I'm walking around sporting my camel toe.

Tight-ass. And I'm a clean-cut white guy in a medium-security prison. with that is, I'd say, 90% of the guys there are there for violence, you know, and drugs. And I'm one of there, maybe 20 to 30 white guys, the bulk of them, I'd say 80%, maybe 70% is black, and then 25% is probably Hispanic. And then maybe 5% white guys. Out of those, let's say 30, out of those 30, I'm one of maybe four, four, white guys that's I'm I'm there's maybe four white guys that aren't there for meth so out of those 30 guys like I have

nothing like I like I have all my teeth right you know like I tight ass pants yeah yeah exactly so I very quickly hot pants very skin tights that's what they could have called me sweet ass people in the comment section will now start calling yo hot pan so I got these guys and I only say this. I only say this because it's what happened. It's not racist or nothing to do it. But it just happened to be over the next few days or the next week, multiple large black guys walk up to me, yo, bro, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, yeah, what's going on? Let me talk to you over here. Over there where there's no cameras? I'm talking here. What's going on? I'm just saying, And, you know, I'm looking for me a friend.

It's a friendly place. What do you mean? I don't understand what you mean. And he's like, you know, I'm just saying, you know, you need anything? No. What size shoes? I'm going to get you some shoes. No, I don't need any shoes.

I don't need any shoes. What do you like to eat, man? I got whatever you need, man. I got you. I'm good, bro. I'm good. What's going on? What is this about?

Now suddenly there's some, I'm starting to throw some, a little bit of a base of my voice. I'm saying. I don't understand. What do you mean? What do you look? What do you? What do you? Yeah. So It's like, do you like, I, I, uh, I, uh, I'm just saying, you know, uh, use a, use a, cause gays, they call, they call them called gay. They call them puns. Use a, use a punk. I mean, I mean, you, you use gay, right? No. No. No. I don't know where you heard that. Yo, bro, I'm, I'm, I'm done with this conversation. Turn around and walk away. The next time I'm walking to a couple days later, I'm walking, like, and I'm, I'm realizing, I'm, I'm now start to realize, like guys are now saying, you, you, you know,

yo, bro, what's, other white guys are like, what's up with the, uh, Cameltoe? What's happening with? And you didn't know? You didn't know. No, I'm like, listen, man, I put in a cop out. I'm going to get my shit changed. I didn't know. I mean, I don't know what else to do.

I, you know. Yeah. You got to fix this, bro. Yeah. And I'm trying. I'm trying. So. And then I'm walking.

I get some guys that comes up to me some people like, hey, hey, let me, let me, let me, yeah, what's up? Guys like, yo, I walk in the kitchen. You need anything. Let me know. I'm like, no, no, I'm good. No, I'm saying, you need anything like, oh, you, what size shoes are you? What's the size shoes?

No, bro, I don't need any shoes. It's a big deal. It's a big ticket items. Like, could be between 40 or 50 bucks to 100 and something. That's kind of flattering. They're going to give shoes? I'm a nice. They're on the shoes?

Day one. I get it. I get it. It's just not happening. There's a price to pay. It's far more than 40. He's going to be more than shoes, bro. Yeah.

I'm not worth shoes. Yeah. There is a price. Excuse me. Now you're. You're getting all defensive. What's funny. This ass.

This happened. Like you turned in like so. You know, I heard you got 26 years. Like, yeah. You need it. I need a cell phone. This goes on for like four. I need my own TV.

It's like four or five guys come up to me. So finally, and this is what's funny. This is when my buddy Zach, I have a buddy Zach that I met in prison. We do podcast together. He, big black guy. So another guy had already told me, you know, bro, there's this guy wants to meet you. And I'm like, why?

I'm not talking to anybody at this point. I'm up against a fence, my back fence, the wall. I'm staying where the cameras are. You feel like around the perimeter. Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to my cell. I'm going to my cell at the last minute just before they do lockdown. You know, I'm not, I'm realizing this is going to be a problem.

So, so then my buddy, Zach comes up, he comes up to me, he walks up to me. He walks right up to me. We have two different versions of how this happened, but either way, it's the same thing. I just, I think I was up where the fences were, waiting for them to open the fence so you could go back to the unit in the, in the, in the, um, rec yard. So I'm standing there and Zach walks up to me, just kind of stands in for a minute. He goes, hey, um, I hear we got a lot in common. And I just walk off. I was like, I know where, I have shoes.

Yeah, yeah, I already have to do. Bob it. Do I walk up? Now you know how these chicks feel in the box. It's horrible. I'm sitting there like, hey, eye contact, stop it. Eyes up here. I'm wearing my shirt on the stock, walking around here.

Hold it down by my knees. I luckily, listen, by the time I get my pants, it's been too late. It's way too late. It's too late. You know, I missed the one thing that really sealed the deal was when I first got there. So I was held in the U.S. Marshals holdover for a year while waiting to be sentenced in Atlanta. There was a black guy named Kiki.

Hey y'all. Kiki's here. But there's like maybe a hundred guys in this unit, right? You never leave the unit. Well, there's no politics. There's no prison politics there, right? So everybody knows Kiki. Everybody's sitting together, playing cars together, joking around.

There's no like, yo, I don't talk to that punk, bro. I don't talk to pun. None of that. Like the kind of stuff that happens once you get to prison, everybody knows this is temporary. So they're not pretending. Plus, they're waiting to be sentenced. You don't want to get into.

a problem. You know, you could say that. You could say something derogatory about a gay guy, but he's still a guy. Yeah. And yeah, most of them are, are nonviolent, but you don't know what this guy might do. You disrespect him. It's still a guy. He may attack you. Now I've, now I've got to go in front of the judge and, and the prosecutor saying, oh, your honor, he's being sentenced to five years. But by the way, he got into a fight while he's been waiting to be sentenced. We want to add another year for whatever. You know, you don't know. Right. So everybody's very polite. So So when I first get to prison, they call it. It's a transition unit before they give you your main unit.

So you go there, I go there, walk in the door on the second tier, soon as I walk in, and I mean, there's people everywhere. Everybody's out of their cells. I walk in and I hear, hey, hey, hey, I look up and it's Kiki going, Matt, Matt, I go, Hey, Kiki, what's going on? He's like, hey, Mike, I have a little bit so excited. Comes running down. We talk for a couple of minutes in front of 150 fucking guys at my new unit.

at my new unit. So, and then the next day, I pick up my fucking, my camel toe pants. No. So you can imagine, like, you couldn't. You couldn't. I would have to do. It's just, I get it. I want to go to another prison.

At that point, it's like, I'll do the six months in the shoe and wait to be transferred because I got to start a, okay, can we get a redo? And you had to do a year there? No, I did three years in that. Three years. And they just, throughout the whole three years, they were like, did they, after. So once.

He's very hard to get. Like, you got to really. Yeah. Listen, it was on and off throughout the whole time. Mostly, though, I had a friend named John Gordon, and I had a friend named Zach. And so Zach and them very quickly, because guys would go to them and say, yo, bro, I see you walking around with that, with that punk. He available.

Like, what's going on with that? No, no, no, no. He's not gay, bro. They're like, don't approach him. Don't this. He's not. He's not. No, he on the D.L.

He on the. No, no, no, he's not gay. And they were like, you know, I've seen them pants. He was. No. Yeah. It was a sizing mistake. Listen, it was a sizing mix up.

Here's what happened. Dude, that guy who gave him to is probably like, good look. He was like, yo, bro, I don't think that I was like, no, I know what size I am. He was like, okay. Like, he was like, look, I just tried to help you. Yeah.

And you didn't realize at that point. Yeah. That's happened many, many times about somebody tried to help. A little bag, you might not hurt. Yeah. You weren't thinking that. Like, like, you're like, you're like. You go on the extreme opposite.

Tight. I want them fit. I want them to look good. I'm going to give it taper. Yeah. Need them to look good. Be a little long. I want to cough.

Yeah. That's great. What were you going to say about? I had a couple stories of what I was thinking about right now, though, was just like, I wonder if I should title this podcast being gay in prison. Oh, my God. Help me with that. Yeah.

And then I know my face is. Oh, yeah. It would be all faces. Yes. And then I'm sure I get a text from Matt. Like, We have to change this. That's a new demographic.

Most of the time I have no idea what's coming out until something comes up until I start getting these comments and I'll look and I'll be like, what is this guy talking about? I'll be like, what do Colby do? Then I go and I see this thumbnail of, you know, and then I look at the first 20 seconds as he does like a, I call it like a hook,

like an intro where it's like you'll say something and then I'll say something. It's just a bunch of clips that kind of let you know what's coming. I can see. And then the 20 second clip I'll be going, hey, you'll be like, oh my God. I'll be saying cameltoe and you'll be laughing about them buying me shoes.

I mean, I'll be like... Speaking of clips, like the clips guys that we were talking about earlier, nine million views 11 days ago, it's basically Matt telling these stories to me mistaken for being gay in prison. So it could be a popular... That's a topic that applies, like a lot of people kind of wonder that or think.

It's like an intriguing topic that someone who may not be interested in prison. They might see that and like, oh, like, what is this? Yeah, yeah. No, I know that, but you don't understand. And Colby So I'm going to say that And then He's not concerned

About my reputation It's going to be The first 15 Put my face on that The first 15 seconds It's going to be Matt doing all the imitations that he was just doing

The Kiki imitation And all that time But you got me doing something Yeah Yeah yeah Yeah Yeah These two guys are flammable in

My favorite story is My buddy Was Zach was I'll tell you another one Oh yeah This is classic Right back into the comedy thing

Sorry Zach was in Like I think They call it Blot Beaumont. I think it was Beaumont. I think he was a bloody Beaumont, which is a pin.

He's the only guy managed to come in at a low that I know that went from low to a medium to a pin. It's like, you just can't get right. Like, what's wrong with you? You keep fucking up. And never left the pin. Like, he went from one pin, I think, to another pin. Anyway, did he go to a medium?

I just know he worked his way up. That's all I know. So anyway, so he, you know, at a pin like, they kind of like, it's, you put, they call him cars. So it's not like a gang so much, but you would be in like the Florida car. So he ends up with, I'm going to say he ends up with the Florida car or the Texas car, whatever it was. He goes in there and he says, oh, I'm from Florida. And they're like, oh, you're with the Florida car. So then you can go hang out with the guys from Florida. Where are you from?

Whatever. They check your paperwork. Make sure you're a good, you're solid, whatever. So he ends up with this group of guys. And he said, so we're there. Anyway, he said, six months later, whatever, he said, the main like shot caller for the car invites everybody in to his room. He's a, yo, bro, they disrespected us. They disrespected us. They disrespected. they disrespected and he starts gets them all hyped up right like bro tomorrow it's going down

in the wreck yard we're gonna everybody fucking he goes you got your blades and a guy starts handing out like blades right like I've never been in this situation but if I found

one time I found one and I went to my cousin and I was like hey man there's a thing over there and he's like oh shit he wouldn't told another inmate to go get it like I'm not touching it like I'm not that guy

so but so Zach they give him a blade like all these guys got blades they're all pumped up they're like yeah they're like yeah we'll fuck could show them not to talk shit. And I don't think it was Florida, but I think it was in whatever state it was. We're going to tell them what Florida's all about.

Yeah, fuck those motherfuckers. We're going to war. And they're like, yeah, man, fuck those motherfuck. Yeah, it's in the fucking 12 o'clock. And then, yeah, fuck them. And so Zach's in there. Zach's like, he's like, and I'm thinking, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, fuck what it's going on, bro.

What have I got myself into? Yeah. But Zach is not that guy either. And Zach sat there and he said, hey, and he said, well, there's like eight or nine of them in this cell, which doesn't hold eight or nine. like they're crime in there and he goes hey um uh he said uh what what um what do we what do we go into war for and he goes yo um and the main guy excuse me the main guy goes um yo man they uh they disrespected my boy and he goes what he said my boy bro uh another one of them

dudes tried my boy and what that means is that another guy approached the guy that he's his boyfriend and and he goes you mean the punk used to be with or used to live with? He's like, yeah, man, that's my boy. Disrespected him. And he goes, yo man. He said, I don't want to go to war over a punk, bro. I don't want to do that.

And they were all like, all of a sudden he said, everybody was like, yeah, bro, I'm not ready to pick up a fucking murder charge or a riot charge or get stabbed or have to do two years in the shoe and get shipped to a worse prison because somebody approached your boyfriend. And so they're like, yeah, bro, I, uh, ran it in their little vives. Like an after-scale special. I'm not. And then he said, Zach said when he's like, when we kind of left the cell, he's like, guys are walking up to me. Yeah, bro, thank God you said something.

I had no idea. I didn't even realize. Like, I'm just trying to be a good soldier. You know, and he's like, yeah, man, what the fuck? Helen of Troy in prison? I feel, I feel like there could be. That's great. I feel like there could be a.

comedy show, prison show. That would be a great. Like I really do. I think there's a lot of... You see all these murders. Well, I'm telling you when Matt and Zach get together, it is a comedy show. That was a good episode. What, didn't we do one?

It was three years or four years ago. We just told funny prison stories. Yeah. But you know how like MASH it was such a hit? And that's like in a war situation and they made it, you know, there was so many funny elements in the middle of a stressful. You know what I mean? Like I could see this be in the next smash. Because rape is funny.

I don't care. That'll be the clip the opening. Just no context. Well, that will be muted. That will be muted. Yeah. To stay monetized. There's a bunch of little tiny things that, like, you're not monetized.

There's a bunch of little tiny things that, like, you're probably already have the content. You and I could have the exact same content, but Colby will package that content. different. Yeah. And I'll end up with half a million subscribers and you'll end up with 10,000. Same exact content, but Colby will put the right thumbnails on. He'll name them the right things. He will get the monetization down.

He will edit them correctly with a hook. He will do just some minor things that will change. Now, hashtags really don't matter. What matters, especially if you're talking about clips, like the most important thing is that first second. It has to be something that's going to draw somebody in. You know what I mean? And the title. Yeah, yeah.

And the title. Well, those are vertical videos. So people aren't even really looking at the titles. You know, the title and the packaging really matters more for like the long-term form, like the full podcast. But the actual short clips, it doesn't. What matters is what the person is saying, how they're saying it. Like they're, you know, I could tell you a story and not be very confident. Matt could tell the same exact story, but knows how to deliver it.

And he's speaking with so confidence that people are just like drawn in. So it's like that type of, you know. verbage or whatever you want to say it. Yeah. What they're saying and how they're saying it, and it's very important that that very first second, that very first one or two seconds is attention grabbing. Because people are just, boop, boop, bo, pooh.

Yeah, the first 30 seconds of a podcast. Yeah, have to be good. 20 seconds of it will just be him, you and I just probably laughing and saying funny thing, for 20 seconds. And then immediately he'll cut right into you saying, you talking. There's no injury.

We're not going to, there will be no interest. Well, there might. With this one there may be. This one would be just because it's a little bit different than the actual normal format of somebody. But yeah, like, and then I'm writing down as we're going through, I'm writing down things to create TikToks. Like I have like gay in prison, Kiki story, never eat out, popcorn story. So those are all things that I'm going to be creating TikToks for that have potential to maybe hit a million and things like that. So it's been able to identify those clips.

Like, for example, Matt will tell a story. story about a movie. He'll be explaining a movie to someone and we'll cut it to where he's explaining the movie, but it sounds like he's explaining like he did it. Like I did this, I did this. And then half the comments will be like, this guy's a fucking liar. Like, this is the plot to this movie. And it just drives the engagement. But it'll get three million views as opposed to if you did the entire context, nobody wants to hear me explain a movie. So that would get 10,000. is 10,000 views as opposed to two or three million. Even though 90% of the comments are,

he's a fucking liar, scumbag, you can't believe anything this guy said. You know, I'll take, I'll take $1,000 for things that never happened. I get that one. You know. Yeah, these clever trolls. Right. Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of little, yeah, I was telling my wife this other day.

It was like, people think it's just putting the clips out. But it is, it is a lot. It really doesn't have to do much. with the editing or the hashtag. It's a lot of like little small things. The same thing with the, another thing is the packaging on what the thumbnail looks like and what the title looks like.

Yeah. For long for him, yeah. We have a guy, Ian Bick did a podcast for this guy. He's another, he's another podcaster, true crime podcaster. He did an interview with this guy was basically an hour long. Guy was talking about, he was talking about fire sticks. Fire sticks. Sorry, jail broke fire sticks.

They sell them on Amazon. Anyway, he was selling him. He got arrested. he tells the story over the course of an hour. Put it on Ian's podcast. It got maybe 40,000 views. Probably 30 to 40,000. I don't know what's at now.

Yeah, I'll check. Guy came on the podcast, told the exact same story. He has a story down, which is great, because you just have to sit there and go, right, right? And he so. Yeah, so Ian packaged it on Ian's podcast. It was titled Tech Pirate. Like Tech Pirate sells Amazon Fire Sticks or something like that. Right.

Oh, but because the guy mentioned he got arrested by Grady Judd, Ian is in Connecticut and probably doesn't know who Grady Judd is. But Colby happens to live in Pasco or Polk County. He's very aware of who Grady Judd is, right? So am I. Everybody Floridian is. And so he puts Grady Judd, Sheriff Grady Judd, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah.

Yeah, he puts him on the front cover and then puts corruption, names it something about corrupt or what of it? Sheriff Grady Judd, because that's like people might search Sherif Grady Judd, Sheriff Grady Judd, arrest Amazon scammers. Right. So. But he has him on the thing with the guy's photo. The picture of the famous sheriff.

And then it was me and the guy of this famous sheriff. And that video got 1.2 million. Yeah. So that's the difference between, you know, it's the same huge different. Same as that story. It's just packaged differently. So, yeah, a lot of the podcast. It's adapting to the culture.

This is how we consume information these days. It's like, it's quick. But I'm saying you probably already have the content. Yeah. It's just the packaging. I mean, if you're really thinking about, hey, how to do it. Packaging, how to deliver it on the social. Like we have a Matt's buddy, Zach, who is, you know, extremely charismatic, funny, can do something very similar to this.

Like, I was just telling him, like, especially for what we've done. Like, we have the formula. Like, we've figured out the formula over the last four years, specifically for, like, kind of like the true crime genre. It's like, we know what to do. You just have to, now he just have to actually create the videos. But yeah, it's a learning experience. Yeah, it's like. Zach literally got within 30 days.

He started his channel 30 days later. We put up like three videos, four videos for him. In 30 days, he was monetized and making money. Wow. And he put up another couple videos and then just stopped. Wow. Like the first month he made like, I think maybe it was like, I think maybe it was like 300. Then it was like 600.

And then he just stopped. So you could just just follow the formula. This doesn't take a lot. Yeah. Yeah. We set them up with Stream Yard. We set them all. All you have to do is get some of your criminal friends and interview them over a stream yard, which is like Zoom.

Interview them with you don't need the whole setup. Just do that. Talk to him for an hour and a half. Post one of those videos once a week and wait six months. And this thing will be bringing in two to four thousand dollars within six months to a year. And that's conservative based on his numbers and his personality. Very conservative. The truth is, it may be making $10 or $20,000 in six months.

But that's if everything went really, really right. But let's say conservatively, within six months to a year, you're making $4,000 a month. $4,000 a month is probably what Zach is making right now. It's amazing. And you could do that just working an hour or two a week, just goofing off. And of course, if you did anything extra, and to me, it's like with me, anything. If I do something and then suddenly I see, hey, I made $1,000 at this, where most people are like, yeah, I got $1,000.

I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Now I just don't need to, how do I add some zeros to this? Let's double down on it. Now we're going to turn this into 10 grand. That's what we need to do. You know, oh, fuck that $1,000. That's not going to pay my bills. But now that I see the formula, let's just, let's throw some testosterone on it.

How can we jack this thing out? And one thing that, I don't know how it would work with, you know, comedy bits, like how long it takes. But one thing that we try to capitalize, especially in the beginning, I mean, still now. But like trending events, like something happens that people are interested in. If you have a joke or a controversial take on it. that's a clip, like those can go viral. Like that 1.5 or that 2 million viewed TikTok I was telling you about earlier,

it was about a trending event. It was about the shooting up in New York of the healthcare CEO. So it's like we rushed that specific clip because this just happened. Every day normal person cares about that subject. Yeah, like as far as a comedian, do you know this guy named Damon Darling?

He's a black guy wears Timlin boots. He's like a big beard. So he's a comedian. And I know him, not saying you have to do this, but like he walks up to people in gas stations that are like searching at like they're looking buying beer. And he just walks up to him and messes with them. He's like, you're struggling with it, bud? Just like I've been sober eight years myself and like just does these little clips. But he's a he's a comedy.

Or he goes up to somebody like, you know, I got a comedy show coming up. Just random people in Walmart. But he's got like 700,000 on. I wonder how that would work Because I'm going to shoot my own TV show Yeah I think it's about these three guys That middle-aged guys

To go back to college to play For division The worst Division 3 school The country Because they still have eligibility Yeah But it's gonna be like The first pilot would be like an hour long

But then episodes would be like 30 minutes 20, 20 minutes So I wanted to monetize that on YouTube Like in clips You know like in segment I wonder if that Um, you'd have to, I mean, we don't, that's not our format. So yeah.

Yeah. But there's probably, listen, there's all kinds of YouTube channels that are doing stuff that I would never watch that are massive. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like Mr. Beast. Yeah. Yeah. So like Mr.

Yeah. There's so many different things. Like Mr. Beast is like, there's so many different formulas to work. Like what we figured out this specific formula works like for us and like this specific genre. And we've learned it through trial and air. Like where other people. may spend, you know, like two, three hours on one 60 second video, we realize we'd rather spend, you know, two hours on creating three, and we have a better chance of one of those going viral.

And that's what we've been doing for a while. And now we've realized someone else is doing a little bit better, like, we're going to tweak it. So it's as we increase, like, the things tweak. It's a lot of trial and error. A friend named Julian Doherty, and he has a podcast, very successful podcast. and he says that we're going with the quantity. Quantity.

He's going with quality. We're going with quantity. This is quality stuff right here. Stalin said that how long is your... How long is your friend down for? Wade. Wait.

Oh, till tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, till tomorrow. Okay, that was going to say. They need to come to the comedy show. Oh, yeah. What time were the shows? Let's set seven and nine 30?

I texted my wife. I was like, if we can get a babysitter. And we get off from the podcast and stuff. Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah, it's not. Well, let's go back to, let's go back to you starting comedy. You had started comedy.

Like how long. So you decided to do it. You did it. I mean, let's go through comedy. Let's get through comedy and to what you're doing. What did the pot with the production. Yeah, sure. Which is what you really came here for.

Yeah. No, we can't understand. Like, I just, I love the free form. This has been so fascinating. And I love learning. Like, this is. This is really interesting. Like we want to interview you.

Yeah. I was going to say the other thing real quick before I forget in case we don't, in place we don't talk again is that the one of the major things about YouTube is consistency. Yeah. If you said, oh, no, I got an amazing video that I'm going to put out next week and you put one next week and then another one in three weeks and then you do two in a week and then you wait another four weeks. No, it's consistent. Even if it's dog shit put out, if you say, hey, I'm going to put out three videos a week or even if it's once a week and you say, oh, I don't really have a good. interview, but I don't give a shit. If you're putting out consistently doing one hour videos, then put out a one hour video.

Yeah, but don't really have anything. Well, then turn the camera on and just tell us, talk for an hour and a half and post something. Because your, because your viewers are waiting for that and the algorithm is based on, hey, this guy posts. Do you think YouTube is trying to train you to run a network for them? Yeah. So you have to play the rules. The rule is this guy, we know this guy consistently post two videos that are roughly an hour long twice a week.

And that's what they expect. They don't have to be gold. Yeah. It'd be nice if they were. And that's not difficult to do to get good guess. But I'm saying consistency is a big thing. So that may be a problem with your concept or, hey, I want to do this. Right for the film.

Yeah. Yeah, that would work if you already know this is going to work. That's why Mr. Bees invests, you know, millions, $100,000 in one video because he's, he's, He has a formula down and he knows what works. In the beginning, we found out what works through quantity. I know a guy who produces for him. Yeah. They do like, he's like, yeah, this production is like $2 million.

Yeah, outrageous. Like $2 million. That's a movie. That's an independent film. Incredible. It's just for 20 seconds. And sometimes you don't know what is going to work. We've had interviews like, oh, like interviews that we don't think are going to do good, do really well.

Interviews that we walk around like, oh, yeah, this is good. This one's seven views. Like, yeah. Like you. Like, yeah. They're the ones that are like, this is huge. This is going to be amazing. You post it and it's got like 8,000 views.

You're like, what happened? I thought when we got on here, I'm like, we're going to have nothing to talk about. Like, we're not good at this crime stuff. No. And we're going to be so uninteresting. No, I think you'll like our movie. And you have to, you have to watch the movie dragged across concrete. What is that?

It's so good. It's a good. It's so good. Oh, you would love it. I've been thinking about that the whole time. It's like a three-hour movie. But it's, it's, You don't feel like you're watching.

Well, I love Vince Vaughn. It's, he always plays Viz Fawn. It's dirty cops, but you have, you have. Is this new? No, it's like 2017. You have understanding for why they chose to be dirty cops, you know? And so you're like rooting for them. Yeah.

And it's amazing. It's so well done. He did another, the same director. He's a really good director. He did another movie, Cell Block 66 or something like that. I think it's something like that. But it's got Vince Vaughn in it. Same. So, so watch that one too.

Just getting to know you, I think he would love it. Okay. And your wife. But he's, is this one who is really like a tough guy in prison? Like Vince Vaughn? No, he doesn't really play Vince Vaughn. No, he knows. Well, not for Drags Across Conradict.

I have seen it. Oh, you have said. Yeah. His hair shaved or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he keeps getting in. It's great. That's the director did that to drag across.

Yeah, that's very gritty. Gritty. Gritty. Gritty. And, you know, like kind of cheesy VFX, as far as practical kills, like where he's dragging his foot, his head. head across, like you can tell it's obviously fake. Right. You know, so it's gruesome, but not.

It's kind of corny gruesomeness. But that one's pretty good. Drag Cross Concord is pretty real. Yeah, I don't mind a good B movie. Your audience would love it too. It's so good. It's a B movie. Oh, okay.

No, I was talking about the cell block. Oh, the cell block. Yeah, yeah. And that's still a movie. It's just the way they did the special effects. Yeah, is B movie-esque. So you started being a comic. Yeah, so I did comedy.

And about like five. years in, I started, you know, headlining working a lot, doing all the stuff. And then I got on cruise ships, like, right away. Okay. I got, I got gigs on carnival. And then, how does that work? So I did a contest where I didn't win it, but the people that were there, yeah, people that were there, um, saw, saw me. And they were like, hey, come on. We'll, we'll put you on the ship anyways. So then I do the ship. And then from there, they're like, okay, we like you. And then they just start booking you throughout the year. Do you get like a run, do you go for like three months or for like,

no, you fly into the destination, fly out after your shows are done. Okay. Or port, go to the port. So you come in and out. Sometimes you can be on a longer cruise, like five, five days or three days or whatever. That's probably cool the first time. You fly in, do the thing and fly out. You're like, yeah, it's cool. First couple of years. After six months or right. Well, if you, if you work there, if you're working there for, you know, if you're Malaysian and you're just working there for nine cents a day. Right. That sucks. No, I meant for you. Oh, for us. But even for us, we don't go there for nine months. You know, we're not on there. It's just quick and in and out. No, I'm, so you're, okay, we're missing stuff. You're on a cruise. There's a cruise line. Yeah. I'm assuming you

fly in, get on the cruise line, do a couple of shows for what, a day or two, or just a day? Like over the period. Like if it's a three-day cruise. Okay, for a three-day cruise and then jump on a plane and fly back. Yeah, or they port, take it to port. Back to America. Oh, okay. And you can just fly home. But they pay for all that. No, I know.

I'm just saying, like, for example, when I got out of prison, the first time I jumped on a plane, flew somewhere, was interviewed and flew back. It was surreal. Like, I was like, I can't believe I was in prison a few months ago. And now I'm walking through the airport free. And these people, I'm flying in and they're going to pay for it. And put me in a hotel. I'm flying back. And for instance, yesterday I woke up, and it didn't matter if I woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning and did it.

It was so exciting and exhilarating. Yesterday I woke up, got to the airport at about 5.30, got on the airplane at 7, flew to Dallas, Texas, drove to the, what got picked up, was driven to a studio, did a commercial for about four and a half hours for a home title lock, which is a, It's like a, it's a company that protects you against people like me, like title fraud, did four hours of shooting, got in a car, drove back to the airport, jumped on a plane and got back. Listen, by the time I got back, the anxiety and stress of my bot, I was just like, this is killing me. Yeah. Totally five years. You know what I'm saying? The first time for six, first six months, it was amazing.

Like, I can't believe this is my life. Yeah. They're paying me for this. And this is great. And then five years later, you're like, I got, I need more money. I can't keep doing this. I'm exhausted. This sucks.

Yeah. The airport sucks. The being sitting in the seat sucks. This guy's huge. He's using both shoulder things. I'm over here in the corner. You know, it's like. That's the thing with cruise ships.

They pay you to travel. Right. You go tell some jokes. Right. And that's exactly what happened. Was it great at first? And then it sucked by the end or just great. Of course.

No, great. The whole time? Oh, okay. And then, you know, I'm making good money. You know, meeting. people and I'm just partying. And then it becomes now, what am I doing with my life? I don't know.

I'm ending up on a cruise ship. I'm young. Right. I should be out, you know, working the country and, you know, like trying to, your name out. Yeah, trying to get in movies and whatever. So I just start drinking. I was like, it's $10 for a full bottle, duty free.

Right. So it did turn, it just started to sky. I was getting depressed, you know. This is what I'm doing. There's kids in the audience. You got to do clean shows. and dirty shows. I wanted to kill kids.

I would, like, do you go to school? I'd be like, don't go to school. Like, I would just be the exact. I don't even know how it lasted 10 years on the boat. And I was just, I was a mad drunk. I was, I started out. I drank all day. I woke up, started drinking.

Where are these people going to fire me? I didn't even know how I had some cruise director friends. Maybe they came, kept me, kept me going. But I, I'd sort of sober up for the show. take a nap, get drunk all morning. So, you know, take a nap, sober up till showtime, and then be able to do the show cognitively. Tell your Santa story.

Because that's like the perfect picture of your life on a cruise ship. This was like late in late stages. I was like the original bad Santa. This is a 40 bad Santa was even a thing. So they come on the ship. It's Christmas time. And one of the cruise directors is a friend of mine. I was like, hey, can you be Santa Claus?

And I'm like, absolutely not. Why would I do that? And I hate kids. And he's like, because all the other flyons, that's what they call it. He's doing it. I said, all the other flyons are fad comics that enjoy playing Santa Claus. They have their own Santa suits and their shoes. And he's like, well, I'll give you a suit and a beard and this.

Do you get paid? Do I get paid for this? No, you don't get paid. It was just, he goes, you do it for me? He was my boy. And he was like, I was like, I'll do it for you, but I don't want to do it. I only did it because he was my friend. I'll say because I'm like doing extra stuff.

They want, we're already doing enough. And then, so I get there and the Sanis who don't even fit me. I'm trying to put pillows in. It just, they're dropped. It looks like I have a giant hernia. Right. I have white sneakers. I'm like, I don't have black shoes.

I don't have Santa shoes. They put this beard, the nastiest beard. Like all the other guys brought their own equipment. Right. This was like dirty, like, it was horrible. I looked like homeless Santa. I'm like, what, this is what we're presenting. So you had to go, they put you up in the, um, in,

You're out. There's this big auditorium that seats like, you know, 2000. I'm inside where the crew is. Like, there's this little stairway down to cruise. So I'm waiting until the end of the show. Then Santa's got to come downstairs, go sit in a chair, and all the kids will line up and sit in his lap. For pictures. So, so I'm waiting.

And they're doing a Christmas, I'm just out there. I'm in listening, sitting down, beard off. Just fucking, I got some airport bottles of vodka. Just like drinking. and, you know, because I'm like, I don't want to do this shit. And I kill like a couple. And I start, I kill like a couple. And I start to get like a buzz going.

And I knew that my life was kind of in shambles when I saw, I saw this like Filipino guy who makes little, they make like a dollar a day. Right. Was walking downstairs, looks at me and I'm like, hey, man. And just shakes his head. Like, and just walks off. Like, this is the biggest loser. I've ever seen any disguise. I can make a nothing.

And I was like, huh, I really put shit in perspective. So I get a good buzz. And now I'm feeling good. So then they call me down. And I'm like, and now I'm dancing Santa. So I'm going down to stairs. I'm drunk now. So I'm dancing down the stairs.

You're not supposed to dance. I'm doing like the Dion Sanders down to the stairs. And I just see the cruise director like, like, oh, Jesus. What was I thinking? It gets better. And so I get in a seat and I'm like, and then they get all these kids. And I'm like, how many fucking kids are there? Like I'm saying curse word.

It's just a shitload of kids. And all they, they have these camp carnival girls. They're all like sitting down, you know, they take care of all the kids. And they're cracking up. And I'm a mess. Like the beard's probably not even on right. I wreak a vodka. I guarantee it.

And parents are putting their kids on my lap and taking pictures. Like, I'm going to show up in photo albums. Like, because this is back when we remember I have cell phones where you take a picture. Like, I'll be in these, like, where this is us on the cruise? Who's the belligerent Santa? You know, like you would see it on the thing. So we do the, we get all the kids. And I'm like, thank God, that's over.

And I look over and there's 15 adults, special needs waiting for Santa. I go, you got to be shitting me. I was like, grown ass. men, women, wheelchair. Like, I was like, fuck. And they would sit on my lap. Just adult.

I'm like, hi. I'm like, little help. And, uh, and I, one guy, man, in his 30s, late 30s just sits on my lap and I go, oh, what do you want for Christmas?

I was just, you know, going with the bit. Because I want my dad back. He died and started crying. And my lap just, crying. I'm like, can somebody? And then I guess the mom comes over. I was like, and I went to the crew. I'm like, fuck you, dude. I'm never. Dude, I was, I was, and I was wasted and these kids. I thought you were going to say like, don't you worry, Christmas Day, he will be there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to get back at the guy. Yeah, yeah. I should have. I, you know, I might have even said that. I don't even remember. I was blacked out right after that. This is the picture of Carl and a cruise. So that was being a nutshell for like the last four years, just all day, every day. And not knowing how to get out of it. And then I was just like, I got to do something with my life. So I fucking tried to sober up myself, just quit coal turkey. Right.

After easily a couple bottles a day. Right. I started seeing things, talking to people that weren't there. It was like, I don't know if you ever heard anybody trying to quit alcohol. but it's like the it's like death and you're not supposed to do it alone didn't know this

and then yeah so I was hallucinating talking to people that weren't there and then one morning I woke up and then mom's like you gotta go to the hospital

calls my sister and then I get to the cause my sister I get to the emergency room and they were gonna let me go this is like and I start talking to somebody that's not there

and they're like, you're going to let him go now? Right. I think he needs to be emitted. So they put me on like lithium and all these psych meds. They detox me and, you know, did all this stuff. And I was there for like four or five days. And I remember the second day when I woke up from the night they admitted me, I just see all these doctors walking in.

And then walking away and walking away. And then one of the doctors comes in like a lady doctor. She's like, what, no jokes. this morning. Like, what did I do last night? Like, in my... I had no idea. And they were all, like, looking.

Like, did I get Nate? Like, what was I doing? Like, that was so out of hand and everybody's, like, walking by. Jordan Belford, after he gets taken off the plane, you know, they're, like... You attacked one of the stewardesses. Exactly.

They dumped tape you to the sea. And he's like, what? What I do? Yeah. You were a maniac. What? Yeah, that's what it felt like. It was, it was, it was, it was pretty surreal. And then I sobered up from there.

And then I haven't. And then since then, I've been sober since 2013. You don't go to AA? No. Oh, okay. I just was like, I can do it. You know, my mind, you know, I, I just figured I, I wanted to do it.

So obviously, like, seven days was like the worst pain in my life. I'm like, I'm still going to push through it. Right. And then, but it just, I didn't know you really need help to actually detox. Oh, yeah. What do they call that? The DTs or something like that? Yeah.

You get that like day one. Right. Like I was doing that. I was getting DTs every day. So like I would have to medicate and drink, drink, just to stop. I was leaving Las Vegas, bro. Right. I was like, it's such a good movie.

It is, but it's horrible. It's to a T. And when he's like, when he's waiting in the bank. Yeah. He's like, oh, again. He's trying to sign a chair. I'll be right back. And he takes the drink.

And he's like, oh, sign the check now. Rah, rah, rah. You know, like, that was me. Like, I'm ready to sign. So it was, yeah, it was a rough go. So then I was like, when I got off, I'm like, I'd rather be broke. Right. And not, and to go back to this life, you know, I'd rather just start working the clubs again,

trying to figure out opening for people. I don't care. I don't even care. I have no ego. So that's what I did. I started opening for people and whatever, selling shirts at the end of the shows and just trying to make anything I could just so I wouldn't have to go back to cruises could maybe lead to drinking again, you know?

Then I'm like, I want to be an actor. I want to learn how to act in South. Florida. It's like you can learn. You could take workshops and learn how to act. But I think being a standup always kind of taught me how to act because I act on stage. It was like, oh, I'll do that. So I started doing that and gotten some lot of shitty things, some micro budget films. Right. And then started writing my own stuff, wrote it like a web series and doing all this stuff. And I started writing scripts. I'm like, how do you write a script? I mean, not a right script. And then just kind of figured it out. And then wrote a couple of scripts and then wrote a feature film. And then in like

2019, I met her. And then I was like, hey, that's exactly how I introduced my wife. Her. I met her. The old ball and this one. I forgot we're on a podcast. She probably needs an introduction. I met Tammy. We talked for like, I'm like, you know her.

I met her. We'll edit that out. So it looks like I'm a gentleman. Fish. Who brought this fish? We can edit that into the gay portion. So then when we got together, I was like, hey, do you want to go broke with me? She's like, I did.

Got it down on one knee. I start on you. She's like, I do. And then we're like, we had this one house kind of horror thriller thing. And we're like, because I've done a lot of shitty things that was like, I had no control of. I was just an actor on the thing. And the directors would come in and they would be horrible. And they would show up late to their own set.

and I'm like, the material wasn't good. I'm like, well, I can do my own and I can control the variables because if it dies and it's bad, it's because of me, you know,

so I'm like, let me do my own. And so I had this script and she read it. She enjoyed it because of how psychological it was. It's called I possessed. And it's not, it's a, there's a possession in it,

but it's not really a possession movie. It's more of a different spin on a possession movie. Oh, yeah. All I saw was the, I saw the trailer. The trailer. Yeah, it's about these five people

that go to this house and it's haunted. And the way this house haunts them is by their own past secrets and dark regrets, start creeping out throughout the night. So it's like the person who's possessed is like

kind of more exploiting the other characters and more of a... Provoking everyone to look at their own regrets. Yeah, so their own demons. So it's more their stories that are wrapped up inside the supernatural world

that is fun because that's a good way to present these real life situations. So I was like, we can do this. We shoot ourselves, pay for it ourselves. We can afford this because it's one house, five people. Cut to scene. There's not even a chance.

You can pay for this yourself. So we get the location. We're ready to shoot in 2020 and then the pandemic hits, which thank God it did. Because we got the location. They were willing to push it a year. But we weren't ready to shoot. Right out of the gate, someone steals seven grand from us. And we're like, oh.

Another filmmaker just steal. right out the gate. We ended up paying them before 2020. We couldn't get the money back. And there's a pandemic. So there's a reason we're not shooting. Yeah. You know?

So the year goes by. And then we didn't have money. Like, the pandemic kind of hurt us. I wasn't working as an entertainer. So I'm like, so I told the guy, we ever paid him half his money to do the project. And then I was like, well, I don't need you for this job. I don't need your gear. We had worked some other stuff out.

I didn't need a lot of things that I paid for. So I'm like, okay, so I'm just going to pay you, if you come on, I'll pay you $100 a day for the 24 days we're shooting. Right. And that would end up to be like $3,000 or whatever. Because I already paid him $7,000 for nothing. He hasn't done nothing. Yeah. He hasn't lifted of him.

And so I can't live off $100 a day. I'm like, you have the $7. Right. That I get it. No, I don't. That's spent the $7. Yeah. Exactly.

He did another, like, micro budget film. in New Mexico during the pandemic. Right. So obviously with our money. Right. You know, so it's like, where's our credit for that?

So, so he's like, he couldn't do it. There was no negotiation. There was no anything. Yeah, he was okay with having stole that money from that. Stolling.

It's okay. And he's over here saying, don't you feel guilty? He's like, no. No. No. And he's like a baby.

For real. Which is another struggling filmmaker. It's like, I just look at that dude as a piece of shit in the world, you know, in the filmmaking world. And again, it just left us like scratching our heads like, shoot, you know, who do you trust and who can you trust? And it's like a big project. And you're trying to find a team. Like I was ready to go to jail for a day. Like that was like finally ready to go to jail. I'm like, I will drive to Tampa and murder this kid. Like he's lucky. If you're listening out there, bro, you're lucky I have Tammy. Because you would, you'd be dead right now. Like I can not be in jail. Writing, writing scripts and doing a podcast. Exactly.

Yeah, he's in Tampa. We're going to have to have them on the show. show. He's got a crime. Listen, they're just one of 40 people. Probably. Probably. He's a big talker. He's a big talker.

Yeah, he's a huge talker and he thinks he's the shit and he's not. He made a movie after we made a movie and I guarantee our movie's 10 times better. It's shitty movie. Okay. That's enough. But that was just, this is again why you hear so many people like they're making a movie and then you never see it because it's so freaking hard. Yeah. to like get a team and get it going.

You know, I got my team eventually. And then we shot it. We shot in Lake Placet, Florida, and this big farmhouse. And it was beautiful. And a lot of things, bad things, tough things happen. Like, we lost the main actor three days out. We were rehearsing with them for months. He got dieticitis, COVID.

He's in the hospital. Three days before we were going to shoot him. So we had to move actors around. Like, it was just like. He's still living. Yeah, he's, God rest of his soul. No, but, but all those moving the actors around made it a better. film because the bachelors that are in place now like there's all these things kept happening but

it always turned out to be for the better right you know and now now we have this film that's completely done and we got distribution for it and we're doing that local theatrical we're doing a limited theatrical run around the country um what with it's called a comedy tour as well we'll do some we'll do like stand-up comedy on during the week at a club and in a different town and then event event screening of the film it's like like we're doing in Tampa in January 15th, we're doing the Sunray Cinema. Okay. So we'll be there on that night.

We just got on their website finally. I'm not sure what time we'd do the screening. Yeah, I would love for you to come. Yeah, we'll go. 15th. That would be awesome. Come to check out the movie. The Sunray Cinema.

It's in like the old university mall. Unmarked building. Yeah. It's like the movie theater's nice. It's a sketchy neighborhood. I know where University Mall is. Oh, you did at Temple Terrace. Oh, you do.

Right near. Yeah. It's like a sketch. Like we're like, is this place even open? There's, there's the adult store, adult, you know. And then the Salvation Army and then a burned out building. And then the theaters behind all of that. Yeah.

What's so sad is that when I was growing up, like University Mall was the shit. Yeah. Yeah. Now malls are. Yeah. Boziac worked there at the, there's a tattoo place there. He said, you don't understand, bro. He was every day, at least a couple times a day, the cops are.

are literally chasing people through the mall. Like running where you'll see a couple of black kids running where they run in school. And there'll be cops running after him. He's like in the ball. We were a little like nervous walking like trying to figure out where it was. But then the actual theater is nice. It's just getting to it is a little like. Well, there's a there's a parking garage right there.

So you just walk in right there. So it's not a big deal. But he's like, listen. Did you have to tell the. Everything has been. Right. Everything has been a. a crazy story.

Yeah. So that's, but that's, we're in the process of getting all the cities now because everybody wanted to wait until after the holidays, all these theaters. But we also, so in that, so we filmed in 2021. Since then, we've been doing test screening. So we've actually had it in front of maybe 1,200 people. Yeah. You know, tested in where I gave out flyers. Through, because Carl would do comedy shows and then invite people to come and be in the audience and give feedback. We've done questionnaires. We've, you know, just.

It's been good because, like, one scene, we actually redid the whole scene because a question kept coming up over and over and over with all these audiences. And it's like, we just have to redo this scene. It's not hitting the way we wanted to. And, you know, and then we did it. And then people were like, whoa. And we're like, okay, that's the reaction we wanted. Good. But we took it seriously.

We took it seriously. We took our time. We got audience feedback. I mean, grown men cried. We were like, oh, okay, whoa. This is amazing. Yeah, it's an emotional. But it's really like it's, it kind of hones in on the theme of, you know, it's like the difference between guilt and shame.

Guilt is I did something bad and shame is I am bad. And you feel unforgivable. And so it's kind of like the theme is forgive and live in the movie. So these people are each being, you know, provoked to look at their own worst regrets. And can you forgive yourself or ask for forgiveness or and live? or not. So it's kind of a, yeah, a deep theme here. It's just a scary movie.

Yeah, I thought we just killed shopping people of it. It is very psychological. And people came out like, woo. Like, I'm looking at my life now. It's more in the vein of like six cents. Where you walk out going, oh, that's what that was. Because everything, like you get to the end, like wait. Okay, hold on.

I got to go back and watch it again. It's like one of those movies like on the second watch. We had our friend watch it out of L.A. And he's, you know, he's working with a lot of films. And he's like, he saw it the first time we sent it to him a little while back. And, uh, and I guess he might have just checked it out on his computer. I don't even know what he watched it. But he's like, hey, can I watch a movie again?

This was like recently. And probably after all the fixes and stuff. And he's like, he's like, wow. I don't even remember watching it the first time. I'm like, I can't. It's like a different movie. Did I watch the same movie? you know, it's, yeah, it's one of those movies where you're like,

you kind of miss a lot. You get more than that. Well, it's like six cents. You watch it the second time so differently. It's six cents, but multiplied by like, yeah, yeah, different things. I was like, because at the end of six cents, if you watch it, knowing the ending, then you watch it again, you're like, oh. Yeah.

Oh, right. It's so obvious. It's exactly like that. All of those. It's so obvious. There's all that foreshadowing that's just, you're like, miss. And you can tell he's not talking. He's just, he's not there.

You can tell. Yeah, you can tell this after you. . after you know he's not there. Like the first time. Yeah. Right. And we have those moments.

Like we, I have moments where I'm telling you who's what. Who's, who's the killer, who's this, this and that. And almost like the early scenes. Like everything's are,

you've already been told the whole movie by the time you get to the end. But when you're at the end, you're like, oh, that's what it was about. So it's like we told you through the whole movie. So I have a question. So,

because I'm curious about this. Because I like, like I said before the podcast. I've written a bunch of true crime stories. Like I have like 20 something of them. But most of them are synopsies. So I've always wondered like what it takes, obviously, you know, to make a movie. Like I don't have enough knowledge to actually do it.

You act like you have to get like a guy that really knows what cameras to use to shoot in the whole day. And then you're editing and all these things. But what I'm wondering is once you've got the finished product, like you're not. movie theaters. Like you're not on Netflix. You're going to end up on, and I have a buddy who does documentaries. And so you, what do you, do you end up putting it on like peacock or are, or do you have like a, other than the releases, is there another, um, another, uh, what am I looking? Not format. Avenue or platform. Yeah, for distribution. Yeah, yeah. Well, we, we, we, we got distribution with good deeds.

It's their umbrella company cranked up films, which is they're out of Ohio. And we got offers by several different distribution companies. And the offers are pretty much profit share. It's not, nobody's really offering you anything. We have a company saying we'll give you $2 million. Yeah. They give you some offer, M.G., we got a couple, but it was like garbage money. It's like, it's not even, it's an insult.

It's like that doesn't even. And all of those distribution companies, their format is, to acquire like 200 movies a year, throw them all on a platform and see what sticks. And they do and do it. We got a producer rep that shopped it around. That's the term I was looking for platform. Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. We got a producer rep who shopped it around to all these. They went to like, he went to Netflix and Hulu and all them. But, you know, honestly, and not, not any slide to him or anything. I just, I don't feel like, he's like, no, they'll watch the movie. I don't feel like they watched the movie. No. I don't, because even on one.

comment, I think it was maybe like MGM or something. It was like a big, big place. They go, didn't like the film much too predictable. And right there, it's like, okay, it's anything but predictable. Like you just saw, I possessed, oh, possession movie, we already know what it is. That's all you saw. It's all you looked at. You didn't even look at the trailer. I guarantee you didn't watch. They don't watch the trailer. What's great is if it's, if you put it, if you give them the link to look at it and you put it as, you know, unlisted, you can see when someone watches the trailer. You can see like three people watched it. Exactly.

How many people are supposed to watch it? Four. You know, three people at least watch it for at least. And then you can check the analytics. The average watch time is eight minutes. Right. So those three people didn't even watch the whole movie. We'll watch three, eight minutes of it on average or whatever.

So yeah. For sure. So that's the thing. Even with a producer's rep, even, you know, with sending the full movie to different distribution. You still don't have a chance because you're trying to get through the gatekeepers. You have to even watch the movie. What are they looking for the, for their slots that they're trying to fill and their business model?

You know, it's like a whole thing. And we just thought, oh, if we make a good movie. Yeah. And it has great audience feedback, you know. So it's the American Idol reference. It's so crazy. So we went with, um, we went with this good deeds, um, cranked up film. Because they were smaller company, more boutique.

And they only take maybe 20 films a year or something like that. And, and they, um, and they were open. doing the theatrical with us. And they love that Carl was a comedian and had that side too because they wanted, they've been doing comedy specials as well. And they love the whole idea of touring around. Yeah. So they're helping us with this.

They have a theatrical department that makes the calls to the theaters. Who booked us at University Mall? We're in Puerto Rico for two weeks. Right. On the 23rd, January 23rd. So that'll play for a couple weeks there. And then we're going to work the rest of the country and more in Florida too. but so we went so after we got with them they're going to put it on demand vod on uh in april so it'll be

on voodoo okay um amazon prime and then apple it'll go there and then they'll revisit going to the net the streaming services and by then we'll have reviews we'll have you know a theatrical run a fight and chance to get in there because out the gate with no stars and the reason why we did make a psychological thriller horror film is because it's you know we we need to something with no stars because that's the only thing that can sell with no stars is a is a horror film right right like you can't really sell a comedy what is it the one i was that was huge the uh lost in the woods footage that one yeah yeah no yeah yeah oh the uh blair witch yeah and that's an anomaly everybody wants to redo everybody wants that success right but that's like such an anomaly i mean there's

there's some films like terrifier now that are kind of building steam and getting that anomaly um thing where they're making millions at the box office. Like we made this because we want to show people what we can do on a micro budget. Like not even, it's not micro, it's beyond micro, but it's a fraction of what Hollywood can do.

What was the budget? If you don't mind me asking you, you know, well, I mean, it was under a million. Okay. But,

and how does that? Because, I mean, I saw your act. So how did you get that money? Yeah. Well, that's,

we were going to, yeah. Well, now that you asked. That's a good question. And I know the gambler and the audience didn't help. No, we went in, we went in, you know, thinking we were going to make this for 100K. Right.

And then, you know, we can do this. It's in and out 100K with through post production. And, uh, no. So you have to raise the money. Yeah. And then we found another partner. We found people that, you know, to help out. Well, Carl sold his car.

I emptied out my retirement. Yeah, we raised a lot of money ourselves. We've gone all in. But then we got, you know, obviously got help. And throughout the process, when we got to post-production, we had no money left. And then we started getting more help. Doing the test screenings, people would see. Like, we'd be going, and this movie should have cost a lot more than we paid for it because of all the favors I was getting.

Like, for instance, we didn't even have special effects going into these test screenings. We didn't have a lot of them. So a guy comes to the show. I invite him to the movie. He comes up to me after the movie and goes, hey, I do special. Because we were saying, we need still more money to pay for special effects, this and that. He goes,

I do special effects. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. And he's like, you know, he, and his girl's like,

no, he's being nice. He's being modest. He does for Marvel. Right. So he was like, yeah. And of course,

we're like, Marvell. Yeah. He's worked on Batman, Avengers, you know, all this stuff. So he's like,

I'd be happy to do it. And not, no, I'm like, well, what do you try? And I just be, you only need a few,

right? Yeah. And then it turned into bucket list. You know, talk all the time. And he did all this stuff for us for nothing, you know, that would have cost 60K, you know, that it's just like we were getting those kind of favors. Even in production, I was getting favors. Like the place we rented should have cost a hundred grand. Should it for a month to take over this whole entire farm? It wasn't even close to that. Well, to be honest,

I think, I think commitment is so huge. Like, like people buy into this committed person, you know, who's so passionate. This is all he's focused on, you know, and it feels like a safe bet, you know? And then it's like the two of us make a good team. And so I think that's what they buy into is like, these are good people and this guy is like crazy committed and super talented. And, you know, so.

So we got. It wasn't just like. The look you have is the same look I get when people say inspiring. You're just like, but yeah, but it's the same thing. You don't feel it, but people see that.

that driven commitment and they are inspired by it, even though you're just thinking, man, I'm just trying to make a movie. Yeah. I'm just trying to fucking tell a, do a podcast. So we were on set for four weeks, and which is a long time for an independent film, but we knew we just needed time to learn and like figure out stuff. And so we wanted to give, give us our team that set, that set amount of time. So anyway, the first week, it was like, again, mutiny on set.

everything was going wrong. People are complaining. Like it was just, oh my goodness, you know, it's so hard anyway. And we're trying to find another actor to replace and this, that the other, you know, so much pressure on us because we're producing and everything too. It's like we're running out of money two weeks in. Thank God. Again, thank God that we, again, for this commitment because I think by the second week, the whole cast and crew, they were like, you know what? We, we see how committed you are and how hard you're working. And it made everyone want to step up and, and,

you know, go the extra mile. And I think if we hadn't have had that, we wouldn't have what we have in this movie. It's just everyone did more than expected after that first week. And also, we were a weekend shooting. Then everybody felt like, oh,

this is good. Like what we're creating is actually good. So you can be on a sand, like this is garbage. This is, but again, it's your vision, your commitment to it.

And we knew. We knew right away. And then there's just, there's a moment in the film where it requires a lot, some stunt work and all this stuff. We were like, if it looks hokey, this is going to fail.

Yeah. And it ended up looking great. And we got, I got help from local builders, building me props and not for nothing. Who stayed up with us all night. They just wanted to help out. And I mean,

just so much that, you know, the resources that we made to make this thing. And it looks like a Hollywood movie. Like the stories, the story's just as good as anything. mom house is putting out when you're right when you watch it you're like you know the thing is the thing we're competing with is it's like my stand-up it's like when i get up on stage people are the you know

i have to prove myself to these people for five minutes before because they don't know who i am yeah so it's like now i get they got to get to know me and then then eventually i can get them it's like this movie it's like they got a they're watching this and i'm the main character so they're watching me if it if it was jake jillen hall then we're already in no matter what he's does for that whole. So now they got to watch me going, I don't know if I let, you know, do I like this guy? Because my character is weird in it. He's suffering from PTSD. He's an Army Ranger, Viter, and sniper. He's got, he's hallucinating was dead lieutenant. He's talking to his dead lieutenant of 10 years, which I put in from my hallucinations. I put in that kind of

aspect. Right. And, uh, so this guy's weird. So you're like, he's acting weird. And it's like, is he a bad actor? You know, is he this and that? And then by the time you get through the movie you're like this is why he's been acting like that right you know so it's it's kind of like oh it's it's a character choice but these people got to want to follow this character through this journey and that's the struggle with when somebody's not recognizable yeah so you got to deal with that that's why maybe on a second watch it's like oh it's easier to watch these characters i know them now you know they're not somebody that's and that's and i think that's a struggle with every Hollywood film. Well, I think, too, the overwhelming feedback we've received from all the test

screenings. And it's, you know, the theme is I was surprised, you know, like one, how good the story was and two, it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. So I have a, I have a friend, Kevin introdonato, and he makes, he also is a producer. He's an actor and he's a producer. And he has made, probably I think he's been a part of making three or four movies, but I think he specifically has made like three movies on his own. Now, he came on and we did a podcast with him, and we watched the movie that he had done that he was promoting. And it was funny because we got it.

We had to watch it on like Benmo or something. He gave us like the Vimeo. Vimeo, is that it? Yeah, he had to send us the link and everything. And I remember thinking like, bro, like, why don't you just put this on YouTube and charge? Because you can charge people. Like, you know, I buy stuff, Breaking Bad. I bought like the series of Breaking Bad.

You just pay for it, 21 bucks, $21, you know. So I buy all my movies. I must have 50 movies in my YouTube library that I've just bought. Yeah. So, but anyway, I had to watch his, he sent me in the link and I watched it. It was funny, too, because it's exactly that. once you'd watch 20 or 30 minutes of it, it got really good.

And then at the very end of the movie, there's such a kind of a twist at the end of the movie that it was like, like we, my wife and I were both just like, actually it's not true. There's two twists at the end of the movie. And both times we were just like,

whoa, oh wow. So he murdered. You know, so and so like, wow. Like it's funny because then I was like, feel like that. It felt like that. Like you realize it. And then there's another thing that has.

happened too that you realize like, oh, that's what the phone call was. And even when I had seen the phone call, because I'm, you know, when you know, when you write, you analyze everything. Like, why would they mention that? There's some reason they, there's no reason to have that phone call. There's no reason for this person to have said that. That means something. Because, you know, you're trying to condense all this in two hours. So everything means something. Yeah. So yeah, I was watching. I was like, so it's a very end when you have this one twist. You're just like, oh, oh, that's right. She was. You have to send me that. Send me the name of that. Yeah, yeah, he's, but he's, he's, same thing.

I've had this conversation with him and it's, and, you know, he's one of these guys who's, you know, bro, you should do this. I'll help you do. I'm like, I, I'm, I'm doing too much already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I even pitched him one time because I had a, for one of my, let's, that's enough about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm already, listen, I'm already. She says that to me.

I'm already going to get in the comment section, there's going to be more than most are going to be like, let this fucking dude talk. Probably not. Let them know. You'd be shocked. Sometimes I feel like I didn't talk at all. And people will say that. And I'm like,

like, and I'm sitting here while I'm telling a story. I'm thinking, what are people going to do to me? They're going to push, I've interrupted. I've interrupted you. You haven't interrupted.

We've just been going back of foot. Well, one of the stories that I have, and it's a true story. And there's actually articles about it and everything. It's actually a really good story that I wrote a synopsis about. And I was telling Kevin like, like, bro,

this is something that could be done that I think you could do. He didn't bite on it. He did. We talked about it several times, but he never bit on it because he's working on all that. He's like, I'm already doing this. I'm doing this. But, and it was basically, it's a, it's this guy that I wrote a story about. And he, the quick version is a black kid never got in trouble raised in the project,

but had a good, never been, never been arrested. All of his friends have been arrested. They're all felons. He actually tried to be an, an MTV. He had gone to school for it. Couldn't pass the state test to do it. And it's like, I don't know why I got all good grades in my class. Anyway, ends up work.

One of his buddies is like, you know what you should do? You should get your concealed weapons permit and go work for like one of these companies that delivers money. And he's like, they make okay money. I'm not great, but they make okay, 15, 20 bucks an hour. And he's like, okay, he's like, and then once you're in there, you've been doing it for a while. He said, we work it out so that we set, you know how it works inside is we set up a robbery. And he's like, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. He's like, kind of laughs at all.

He's like, but that's not a bad idea. You're right because I've never been in trouble. So he does get his license. He does go to work for it. Whether that was true or not, I don't know that he never intended to do this, but whatever. So it's called cash logistics. It's like the third largest moving or logistics company for moving money. He ends up working there.

Eventually, six months later, a year later, he ends up being a assistant manager. and he actually does, they set up a robbery with these two guys that can't pull it off. Then he ends up for circumstances, he ends up being in the warehouse by himself multiple times every weekend or every Thursday or whatever is. It just happens to be at a point where there's supposed to be at least two or three people there, but it ends up where it's just him. As the trucks are arriving, he's checking in the money, he's just him. So he sets it up. So he's like, look, I'm going to be here alone at this time. Come rob me.

take the money. There's like $11 million in this vault right here. There's like 11 here and 3 here. They grab, one, they rob him. Two, they grab the money out of the wrong vault. They're idiots. They almost kill him because they want it to look real, but the truth is they almost beat the hell out of me.

And then they get away. Anyway, FBI shows up. They know he's in on it, but they can't prove it. They're doing the whole thing. He eventually quits his job because he's like, they're all over him. They screw him out of the million dollars, million point two he's supposed to get.

They give him 300 grand. He blows through that, then he ends up robbing a truck himself. Oh, man. He gets caught immediately. While this whole thing's going, these guys start trying to kill him. They put a hit out on him. They end up killing his best friend, the guy that set the whole thing up. Now they're trying to kill him.

The guy comes for him several times. He gets away. He then robs a truck, gets arrested, goes to prison, goes to prison, meets me. The other guys that robbed in the first time that screwed him out of the money, they get caught. They go to prison. the cops know they ordered the murder on this guy on his best friend, but they can't prove it. They cooperate.

He doesn't cooperate against them, by the way. So he gets 10 years for the one robbery. No, he gets 15 years for the first robbery because he fires his weapon. He robs the armored truck, gets $300,000 or $400,000. But he didn't get away. He gets caught like, whatever, five miles away. But he does fire his weapon several times. That's it.

He gets 15 years. You're done. You're not getting less. That's a mandatory minimum. And the FBI comes to him, he's like, unless you cooperate. You cooperate. We know these guys robbed you here. Cooperate, you could do five years.

He says, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to cooperate. So he takes the 15 years. So later, they arrest these two guys for the main robbery, the $3 million. They cooperate because they've been to federal prison so they know how it works. They snitch on him. He ends up getting another charge. He gets 10 more years.

He ends up going to prison for 25 years. These guys have already gone to prison on the robbery and gotten out. They both did four or five years. They're already out. He's served in 25 years. But it's a great movie. Just the story I was like, this is fucking great. It's a very unsatisfying movie to walk out of.

It does. You're right. You probably have to do a Hollywood ending. Unless this guy was hateable. Did you see? He's no, he's super nice. He's a nice kid. Anyway, so if you could fix it somehow, you could, it's based on you could always fix it.

But here's the thing. What I was always saying was this. If you look through the whole thing, it's really only about six characters. He's really the only main character. And then there's a couple of FBI agents, right? So maybe seven characters, eight characters at most. And I was thinking to myself, I was telling Kevin, I was like, do you understand how you

could shoot it? I said, here's what you do. You go get several up-and-coming rappers that have 200,000, half a million subscribers or a million subscribers on Instagram. And you go and you find those guys. If you look at it, there's almost no acting. There's almost no very little dialogue other than the main guy, one or two guys. There's no real special effects, very little special effects, you know, other than maybe a gun going off.

Boom, boom. I mean, anybody can do that. You know what I'm saying? There's not that much. It's not like people are thrown through the air, you know, car chases. There is a couple of car chases, but they're not, they don't have to be insane. Doggbitts just boom, boom, cars chasing after us. There's no crashes or anything.

Anyway, very little. If you read the whole thing, you'd be like, wow, this is a fucking, it's a, it's a drama. Yeah. That's it. So anyway, the point I was saying, you go get a bunch of up-and-coming rappers. You get to use, you tell them, look, you're going to rent, you're going to work for almost nothing. But we'll use your music as the background for the score. And then, of course, they end up having millions of followers that hopefully they can promote.

and you never know if one of these guys is going to become big. Maybe one of these guys is the next Tupac. They all want to be actors. All rappers want to be actors in the end. They all want to end up being, I want to jump from this to this. Because, let's face it, you know, rapping is actually difficult. Just a lot of time doing promotions. Where do they'd rather be an actor and go and I can be catered to for three months and work a few months.

Yeah, the acting part could work. I don't know about the music because oftentimes artists don't even have the rights to their music. Yeah, but a lot of these, when I'm saying a lot of these guys probably don't, they probably don't even have labels. Like, if you've got half a million on followers, you're probably making your own music. But anyway, that's the case. So obviously, yeah, maybe you pick one of them that it's available.

And the other guys, well, you could use mine. Well, talk to your fucking label. I tried. We talked to them. They said, no. Point is that they would probably help promote the living shit out of that video. That'd be amazing. Some of them are probably semi-recognizable.

And as you're doing the story, they'll become more recognizable. and then they'll help promote it. Yeah. So I'm saying that to me I was thought was a decent idea for a, and probably fairly low budget, not, you know, low budget is different, obviously. A million dollars. You guys are like it's low budget. A million dollars is like a lot of money.

It sounds like a lot. It does. It's interesting because that's still, 1.5 is considered low budget. Right. Which is high, like, because micro budgets is like between, you know, 50 and 100,000. So and then and then ULBs would be up to like 250,000 ultra low budget. Right. And then low budget is, yeah.

But, you know, I guess if we didn't involve, we didn't do it SAG, which if you do union, then you got to pay more. Right. For things and you're regulated. And back then you had to do like COVID restrictions and that cost $30,000 at the gate. Well, then also if it's SAG doesn't, each actor has to get so much money. It has to get a certain amount. Yeah.

Yeah. So. Exactly. And so, like, non-unit is the best way to go. But, I mean, I understand if you need to get a good actor or somebody that's recognizable. It's all catch-22. And it doesn't mean that because you have a recognizable face is going to do well. And like you said, a drama is like on, if you have a drama with no stars, you're dead in the water.

Yeah. If you have a comedy. That's why I was thinking. I was hoping this could, maybe this scenario gets around that somehow. Yeah. There's probably. I don't know anything. Yeah.

There's loopholes. And a lot sounds. it's just it's just catching lightning in a bottle you know you just got a kind of because the drama can make it you know it doesn't it's a story like look at tarantino you know made uh reservoir dogs you know that was that was kind of a drama i mean there's a little bit of action in it but those those times are hard now because how do you get separated how do you because there's so many there's so much material coming out every year right that's the thing how do you separate yourself like i know we made a unique film a good film

But, you know, that's why we're going to play off my stand-up and kind of a comedian made a horror film. I just shot my special two weeks ago in Beiro Beach. It's going to be nice. Seven cameras shoot, crane. It's going to look beautiful. And then we'll shop that around. And hopefully they can cross-promote each other. Yeah, I think that probably the better cross-b.

I mean, hopefully that does work. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. But the second one that you said you had just written. about it's kind of like a comedy. You said, it's kind of like comedy? Yeah,

it's a comedy. Oh, yeah, straight up. It is a comedy. You know, that sounds more able to be cross promoted with your stand-up.

Yeah, with your stand-up. Yeah, well, my next film is similar to, to, it's a comedy horror film, but it's like a Hallmark Christmas movie,

but then it introduces. Just the explanation alone. It introduces a bad Santa character. Right. So this is my character from the cruise ship Into this world. He gets stuck. And so now he's in this world.

This is a hallmark world. If you watch a hallmark, you're like this is corny, about corny storylines. Love triangles. What is it? The snowman? Yeah.

That wasn't even a hallmark. That was just a regular Netflix. I feel like Netflix are starting to do kind of hallmarking type of movies. Yeah. I've talked about half that with my wife's just the whole time. She goes, what are you doing? She's like,

it's good. No, it's bad. They're bad. And this is very hallmarky. This is, please sign the petition to save the Christmas tree. It's very hallmarky. You already hate these characters. I mean, you like them, but you hate them.

You want them dead. So my character gets into this scenario, and he just, he wants to get out of this holiday hellscape, you know, because he's, it just, and he's, he just, and he's, he curses, you know, there's no cursing. Right. Because it takes you, do into, it starts out in this hallmark situation, and then 10, 10 pages in, you meet these guys that own a bar. Like I own a bar and it's just him this mal this this this Salvation Army Santa is sitting at the bar just drunk and the two bartenders are you know there their place is dilapagated at the bar and it's like you know you'd be better off if you've dressed this place up he's like fuck Christmas fuck Santa like his mom cheated on his dad with a mall Santa like that's the story right so you kind of set up it's like she she sucked the joy out of Christmas like she literally sucked the joy out of Christmas and so they you know you start out with that the fucking dirty,

down, CD, and then this introduce this character into this world. So you're thinking, okay,

well, that's what it is. He wants to get out. And then halfway through it turns, it just turns on its side, 180 degree, return.

It turns, some of the characters in the Hallmark world turn into monsters instead of eating everybody in the town. So, so it,

so now it's an 80s, 90s monster movie. They take hold, they hold up in a, Christmas knick next door like the mist. Right. It's misty out.

It's dark. You don't see. And so all that shit, you know, they're trying to get out alive. Right. And so it's like, have you ever seen from Dust Till Dawn?

Yeah. So it's kind of like that. So it's like halfway three. Like what? The hell it's this? Yeah. And I wrote the script. And it ran it through an AI program,

got really good, you know, very original. Very original. Very, this could be a holiday classic. And so, you know,

yeah. I said it's going to be a holiday classic. Yeah, this program, this program they have, that, they ran it through it. It's, um, and it gave really good feedback and on stuff I know he needed to fix in the script. Right. So I was like, oh, yeah, they understand. And so. I think it would be satisfying for people who roll their eyes at Hallmark movies.

Yeah. Now, do you have a cast picked out? No. No. Here's an idea. Yeah. So there are, there's a pair of influencers. There's this guy and this girl on Instagram.

And I mean, they only have 70,000 followers, but they have reels that have 20,000. 29 million, 15 million, 11 million. They do the Hallmark thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do, you know, the Hallmark movie is cheesy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, depending, you know, it's like you get.

Do you know who it is? I know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. The two white guy, white girl, white, white, white, yeah. We were thinking, we were thinking get actual hallmark, like really well-known hallmark to play a couple of the main characters. I mean, obviously we're going to play, yeah, we're going to play some actors. But if we get two of those people that are really recognizable,

and we make one, like, turn into a monster and one, like, the main character. Right. And then maybe she dies or, like, you know, whatever. That would be very satisfying and very fun for, I think, another audience, you know, to see. So why did you have the beard? Oh, for the beard earlier. For the movie, for the film. For I possess.

Yeah, I was like, because this guy just, he just got out of the military. He's been out of the military for like three months. and he just wanted a different change, a different look. He didn't want to shave. So it was a little longer for the film, just a little bit. And so he had, and me with clean face, I look too nice. Okay. And so my character's slowly evolving through the movie.

So you're kind of getting scared of this guy. Right. So I wanted to be as scary. Like I put on like 20 pounds. I was like, you look pretty built. Yeah, I bulked. Yeah. Back there, back down I was like 225.

I think, for the film. Like, I'm like, 2.18. Yeah, when you guys were watching, I was looking through the IMBD page. It looks good. Yeah, I wanted to be this big menacing thing because it kind of, you know, fits for the character. And it would be weird if I was just some skinny unshavened. It wouldn't even look like. One of our neighbors went to the screening and now he's like, yeah, I'm kind of nervous around Carl.

I'm like, you need to come to a comedy show. Yeah, if you haven't seen a stand up, you're like, oh, geez. But if you've seen the standup, then it's. It's like, it might even be, like, hard to get you in that moment. Yeah. It's like the old, you know, the, what is it, like Adam Sandler when he plays a serious role. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard.

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, he does it well. Or Vince Vaughn when he plays on serious. It takes you a little bit. It takes you a little bit. But then he gets it, you know, he's good. So it's like that, you know. What do you want to do?

I mean, I think we're good as far as we got plenty of footage. I think You want me doing an outro and an intro? Yeah But I have a question I guess for people You know that just listened And kind of want to know more about the

Film or what How they could watch it potentially Or whatever like where could we send them Okay cool yeah that'd be great Well for right now we got to we have on Instagram We have I Possessed movie Instagram I possess movie Facebook TikTok

It's I Possessed I think it is And I possess movie.com So everything just, it's one word I possessed, like I, the one word. Oh, it is the lower case. I was going to bring that. When you were on, when you were on stage, I thought, why didn't he do the lowercase eye? But it is lower case.

You just have a little bit of blood. Yeah. And it's more I. It's not like iPhone. Yeah, yeah. You know, but, you know, some people might be confused because I thought it'd be a phone. You know, there's a phone like, oh, I robot, right? Yeah.

So it's, I just thought it was a cool way to put in, as in I, in. internally. We have that. We'll be out. Like I said, we're doing a tour around the, if you go to the website, the tour will be on there. What we're going to do. It's still evolving. Still evolving. But we're definitely going to be on VOD in April. So it'll be out in April, probably along with my comedy special. It's called Let's Take It Back. That'll be my comedy special. And then I'll have them both out there. And then who knows where we're going from there. But just follow me, Carl Rimi, on YouTube. I'm getting that going now tomorrow. You know, I got like 300 subscribers, but you know, it's picking up. Blowing up. We're blowing up day by day. Hey, you guys, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so get notified a video just like this.

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