Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What Romanians Think About Andrew Tate | Romaniac

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

What Romanians Think About Andrew Tate | Romaniac

after the time passes and six years you've gone out of prison and people know that you didn't do it but not everybody will know maybe they won't say it as worldwide as they did the accusation and then your kind of reputation is kind of ruined one dangerous thing is that these kids are taking those viral clips and using that in their daily life going around calling fat people whales to their faces and things like this this is the kind of negative part that you can see and just And this is the part where people are latching on, who already don't like his ideals, those people are latching onto just that and vilifying him for that and saying, send him to help. It's funny, when I was on the, I was on the run, I was going to go to, yeah, I just said you don't know who I am, do you? He said he was on the run. What were you in trouble? Are you joking or?

No, I was on the run for three years. No way. No way. No, I did 13 years in federal prison. This is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing the Romaniacs, and I'm pretty sure I said that right. They've got multiple YouTube channels. They've been doing a lot of interviews in Bucharest, Romania, asking just street interviews, asking people, young people, old people, about what they think. Old people, older people, whatever.

individuals, Romanians, what they think about Andrew Tate and his entire situation. And the videos, I've only watched a couple of them, but they're really entertaining. They're great videos. And they've got a couple channels. And Colby, my producer, got them on the show. And I'm going to introduce them right now. So I'm going to go from left to right. So it's David and Forza.

Exactly. Yeah. All right. And David, you're German? Exactly. I'm German. And Forza, you're from England or London? Yes.

English, whatever. Okay, cool. So how long ago does you guys start your podcast? Our podcast is now just... It's new. Two months old. Yeah, it's relatively new. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you've got a... Well, you've got like almost 17, almost 20,000 subscribers? That's on the main channel. Yeah. We have another channel as well where we started a podcast, but we've been doing YouTube for maybe one, a bit more than a year. Let's say YouTube we do now for one, proper for one year and a few months. The first upload was a longer time ago, but that was a bit of different content that was a few months earlier.

Yeah, but proper YouTube about Romania since, since one year, let's say. Yeah, there was like a video on like a tour like touring Romania, where to go. Yeah, we did a whole road trip series. Yeah. We went to loads of different cities and then we filmed in and everything. Yeah, yeah. And you guys are your students, right? International students.

Yeah. Is that how you met? Exactly. That is also the reason for us being in Romania because we like a lot of people in Europe actually couldn't study in our home country because it's very hard to get a place. And like some people know a good. Place to go is Eastern Europe, especially Romania. And then each one of us just came here.

We met in the faculty, Fosa studying general medicine. I'm studying dentistry. And we both had been one of those people who really loved the country. Because we have a lot of people who just study and then want to go home. And then we actually started an agency, also bringing people here to study and earning a small living to pay our tuition. and through that we promoted it with YouTube and came to the passion of the videography,

podcasting, all of that. Yeah, that's a story behind it, actually. And then the videos that you made, you started interviewing people. Are those the only street interviews you've done is just the Andrew Tate thing? No, no. I think those are the biggest videos

that we have on our channel. I think we made the last one that we did. So we're questioning people on the whole prison situation with the Tate's, around 400k at the moment but we do loads of different types of interviews in romanias to show the people how the romanians think on certain topics for example when they weren't let into the shengen area we interviewed them and gave a real insight on how the romanians feel about the situation and general other things that people might want to know

about the people living in this country yeah i would you know what i was i actually had mentioned it to my girlfriend after watching the videos and i was showing them to her was i was a amazed that, you know, I always think of like the U.S. is kind of a little microcosm, right? Like, I don't think, you know, I think that we think in a certain way that, you know, granted, there's influence, but I, but culturally, I just assume other cultures are, are, have a vastly different mindset. And watching your videos, I was amazed at how the young people, that you were talking to have the exact same mindset as the americans they had the same it was you know oh uh he's a bad person he should go to prison forever it's like yeah yeah yeah i mean no

no matter where you go in in the world ideologies will never change especially since social media's getting so yeah i think that's where points of views and things can be exchanged so easily and the level of english in romanos is top-not so they're just construed just consuming all the content that the U.S. is pumping out, the U.K. is pumping out. And these ideologies are kind of being spread everywhere. Yeah, I definitely picked that up, which was shocking to me because anyway, I mean, it was definitely saturated. It was, man, it was exactly like if you'd gone into Tampa, Florida and done the same thing, you would have gotten the exact same reaction.

I think it would be worse. Yeah, yeah. it was split down the middle yeah yeah we have we we have to be fair and say that that uh in romania just maybe to explain to the people who don't know so much about it i don't want to blame the americans for the geography but culturally uh i think a lot of people don't know romania is one of the unknown territories in europe no one had been there no one traveled there you just know the people who come to your country but it's a very misunderstood country and um One thing that we actually enjoy here is that the people are not eating everything that media and the people or the Western societies giving them.

But of course, in those tape videos, we aim for the more interesting people which have that reaction. Yeah. Right. I was going to say my, so I want to say, is it 30 years ago? Yeah. Maybe in 94, 95, my parents went to Bucharest and my dad had dental work done in Bucharest because it was so much less expensive. Yeah. And he had saved like he's like saved like $10,000 to have like a bridge put in or something.

Yeah, yeah. And he was like, I paid for the whole trip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. That is true.

There are also some people. I mean, Turkey is no other place. to go, but it's, yeah, they love doing business with it too much than treating the person themselves. But in general, it's to say that the... Romania is known for Densis. Yeah. Romania is known for it. And yeah, that's also why we came into study as well. It's a good option. Yeah. So when you go back to your home countries, you can like the, your degree is going to transfer or you just, you'll be allowed to take, like, I'm assuming you have, I don't, they don't want to like call them tests, but I forget what

yeah, like equivalation tests or something, but. Right. So that's all. You'll just go over there, take the equivalency texts and you'll be a dentist or a doctor or. Funny thing is, is that you don't have to. No, since Romania is inside the EU, we don't have to take. I mean, being from the UK, I'm, we're no longer inside the EU, but you don't have any exams. Romania's degrees are just recognized for you.

Oh, okay. Yeah. It's like going to Georgia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like South or South Carolina or Ohio. Yeah, we actually, we actually also have Americans here in Romania. Yeah. We have some guys where are they from again. I forgot. They're from Virginia, I think. We have one person who's from close to Detroit as well. Yeah. So we have and we have some people from Canada. And the thing is for them, it's much cheaper. Like you know yourself. It's a. fortune in America to study medicine or dentistry. They just come here, have a lifetime adventure for six years, and then they go back. But of course, the Americans have to do an exam to actually get their license in the U.S. So what, so what are your plans? Well, one, you know, I'll ask about the Tate thing, but also what, so what are your plans like with your channel? You guys, did you guys just got together? You met and said, hey, you know, I've been thinking about. about starting a channel? Do you want to do it with me?

You know, and what are your plan for your channel? The conception, I think David can tell you because I always forget. We actually, when I came and, you know, when I realized it's like a, it's a life hack or it's really a cheat code in the end. You know, you, you can't get a place in your country. Your grades are too bad. And especially in Germany, where everyone is so, yeah, it's minded into one direction. Yeah, yeah. I just broke out of that. And when I realized it works, I was studying here,

I was like, look, I can just come back. I was like, I have to tell more people because I know the suffering of wanting to study something and not getting the place. And then I want to start the blog, also started the agency. So I hope we can do some ads in the year, if that's no problem, just talking about. Yeah, no, you can. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So we then started helping others. right now if someone might be listening to this or know someone who wants to study medicine or dentistry cheap somewhere in a nice country safe country Romania is the place to go we can help with that and yeah with our agency Romanian and I want to do the agency work in the end to earn some money and then there was the same time we met and Fawza was like come on we need to

do YouTube to also have a good time here because it's fun and telling people and Forza was also always recording himself just as a V-Log for himself. And I was definitely not down for that, but I was like on the technical side. And then we agreed, I would do the editing. He would be in front of camera. But then he convinced me was like, come on, we do all together. And then that's, you're good in front of the camera, but you're not nearly as relaxed and charismatic. Like, Forza clearly has no problem approaching your company, you know, where you're a little bit more.

Yeah, I'm the German. I'm the German in the group, you know. I'm more the technical guy. I'm the nerd of the group. And Fawz is more like former actor, you know, he's more like this guy. Yeah. More relaxed outside. Yeah.

So my question, my question is if I was to go and let's say I wanted to get a one-bedroom apartment in Bucharest, what would a one-bedroom apartment be? Maybe not right downtown, but a reasonable price. because I can tell you in the U.S., I had a one-bedroom apartment probably a little over a year ago. I have a house now, but I had a one-bedroom apartment, and it was, you know, like the problem is they tack on all this stuff. Next thing you know, you're paying for this and paying for that and it's garbage and all these little things. But it basically was about $1,500 for a one-bedroom apartment. But you can get them for $1,200, but typically $1,500 a month to, I know people that are paid, pay $2,000 a month for a one-bedroom.

Right now, that same apartment is probably $17 or $1,800. Where in the U.S.? What state? This was just outside of Tampa. Not into, if you wanted to get a one-bedroom apartment in the city of Tampa, I know a guy who was paying, I think was paying $2,200. for the same size apartment I had. But it was right, it was in downtown Tampa. But I was paying, I was in like a suburb, which is just outside of Tampa, nice area, brand new area, 1500, which now is probably $1,800, $1,800 a month.

I mean, we have to try translate into dollars because we think about things in the local currency and in euros. However, I would say one bedroom apartment. So it's one one room? No, one bedroom separated from the living. Okay. Yeah, yes. That's three, three, three fifty. Yeah, three hundred and fifty dollars. Yes, and it's it's it's top notch like,

like furnished, fully furnished with TV with everything, even spoon, fork, knives, cutlery, everything. In a good area as well. In a good area. The sea is not so big either, so you can get around very well. Yeah. That's insane. It is. Yeah, that's why. White people should come here.

Yeah, that's always studying here. It's a dream. For a young person, you know, you can really start living your own life. You don't depend so much on the parents. Yeah, it's good. Especially if you did something where you were remote. Yeah. There are so many remote workers here from the U.S., from Australia, from random other places.

Brazil, we've seen, are living here in Romania. For all the tech companies. Because tech is really big in Romania as well. They pump out loads of people who are technically savvy. Yeah. And you're saying English is widely spoken? Better than in Germany, for sure. I can tell that for sure.

Because, like, you know, I know, maybe Americans don't know that. I mean, you're producing all the movies, all the shows with the UK. And basically, for German, French, Spanish, they have their own voice actors. So, Winn Diesel will be spoken by the same German guy in every movie. It's dubbed over. Yeah, it's fully dubbed. And I grew up watching everything in German. when i came here and i go to the cinema um and i just saw like everything in english and i was

like yo those guys from the age since they are small they have to watch it in in uh they sub every english yeah and that is one of the reasons so everything they consume from outside they have to consume in english yeah well i mean that's you know in this case it's a benefit yeah it is for sure not for them but for the romanians as well i guess that's why there are so many Romanians who maybe want to leave the country and it's so easy for them to do so having another language in their pocket. Yeah. So how difficult is it to to to transplant yourself and say, okay, I want to be a, let's say a permanent resident alien, you know, the equivalency in the United States, they would be a permanent resident alien where you're you're not a US citizen,

but you live here and you, you know, you live here and you work here, but you're not a citizen. Like, is that what happened when these workers are coming over? It depends. It's a different thing when people want to come here to work. If people want to come here to work, they have to find a job, that's first of all. Or they have to open up a company here to be able to get residency. Otherwise, as soon as their visa is up, whatever kind of visa it is, they'll have to go back home. But as long as you can find a job or if you have a visa that allows you to stay here for maybe three months or so, a lot of people do that.

leave for another three months, come back, leave for another three months. What if you already had a job? Like you have a remote job where you're like, look, I have a job. It's YouTube. YouTube pays me. Maybe that's a special case. Yeah, we don't know. It's hard.

But of course, they want some kind of something that you can show for being the reason of you moving to Romania. I would think you would have to, whilst you're here, I'll tell you something. Whilst you're here, if you want to come to Romania and you have your own remote job, whilst you're here on the three-month visa or one-month visa that you have, open up a company. Yeah. And it's very easy to do so. Yeah. Also, you don't have to have a big, how you say, entry? No. Capital or are you saying? Yeah, a big amount of money. Yeah. Yeah, you don't need to.

Yeah, it's funny. When I was on the, I was on the run, I was going to go to, yeah, I just said you don't know who I am. do you he said he was on the run what were you in trouble are you joking or no i was on the run for three years no way no i did 13 years in federal prison no way i watched them at you cox what did you do i i ran you know real estate scams and you know banking scams i stole i stole so they said 55 million dollars but I ended up being personally held responsible for 15 million dollars and so when the FBI came to arrest me you know I went on the run for like three years because it's just you know what I do so you know I didn't I wasn't excited about going to prison so I took off

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Most Wanted list. The FBI was looking for me, the U.S. Marshals, a couple states. And so I was on the run for three years, and there's a TV program in the United States called Dateline. Yes. Okay, so Dateline was going to do like a one-hour special. I was in a bunch of newspapers and stuff. They were going to do a one hour special. So after about three years, I was going to go to Australia. And it was funny because I could go to Australia, not as me. I had multiple passports. I've had like 24 passports in different people's names. I've had 27 driver's licenses on six or seven different states. You know, not my name, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, bro. You got to listen. you anyway so I was going to go to Australia and so my girlfriend and I at the time we were looking

into it and you at that time you could go to Australia with if you had a hundred thousand dollars and a plan a business plan to open up a business in Australia and hire Austin's like you couldn't go there and get a job there okay they wouldn't let you do that yeah but they were okay with you opening a business and hiring Aussies. Yeah. So, but you had to have 100 grand and a plan and the, the reason I was wanted to be a permanent resident alien is if you wanted to become a citizen, they, they fingerprinted you. Okay. And they sent off your fingerprints to the to the US and asked got a report. Well, I wasn't interested in doing that because I was showing up as another guy as someone else. I had surveyed a homeless person. person. I was surveying homeless people to get their IDs. And I'd gotten a passport in the guy's name and a driver's license. And I'd set up bank accounts and a corporation. So I was going there was going there with a few million dollars. But yeah, I was going to go there, open a business and stay. But I ended up getting somebody turned me in and the Secret Service arrested me. And I went to prison and I did 13 years. And I got out a few years ago. I started this YouTube channel. And you know, it's it's fitting. It's really fitting for the kind of content that you know. Yeah.

The thing is, the thing is, I watched a lot of episodes, but I, I, I have to be honest, I didn't dive so deep in it. And I was like, yeah, I was just asking myself, I anyway, would have asked, I was like, yeah, what, like, where does this come from? Where does it, yeah, where does the concept behind the channel come from? But it's clear now. Yeah, it is crazy. When I was in prison, I started writing guys stories, right? Like, lots of guys in prison. And they can't write their own stories.

to write your own story it's hard to write about yourself because you just don't see yourself the way you really are you don't see yourself the way other people do so you know um i started i wrote a memoir my own memoir and then i wrote a guy named you know who ephraubroli did you ever see the movie war dogs uh no i heard of it but that's fine there's a movie called war dogs the main guy that jonah hill plays is named i watched it i watched it yeah of course it plays in bucoress by the way all the scenes in uh oh you're right right yes yes a colleague of mine was studying here you just went on a balcony with a coffee and suddenly he was like what the fuck that's not that's jonah hill walking there it's one of my favorite movies yeah it's very nice well the guy that jona hill

plays his name is effem devoroli um he was in prison with me and i wrote his memoir um what the so i then wrote a book called generation oxy and i got the bunch of those guys in rolling Stone magazine. I wrote like, I wrote like five or six books while I was there and I wrote about 20 different short stories. And I optioned some of those short stories. And then I, so when I got out, everybody was telling me, you know, you've got to do a podcast, bro. You got to do a true crime podcast. But when I went into prison, there was no such thing as a podcast. When I went into prison, there was no iPhone. So, you know, right. So I got out and I was like, it took me about a year or so to kind of figure out what's going on like you know this like this was like magic yeah

so then i i finally finally did it and i went on a show called concrete and it got a couple million views and then i went on valutainment and vlad tv and soft white underbelly so i i went on those and those all got like millions of views and so then i finally started about two years ago i started my own podcast which is this one right here you know and this is the thing like i always tell everybody like i kind of missed the wave like when i first started doing all of those podcasts there was a huge wave of interest in my story but by the time i started my own podcast i had missed that wave but you guys are riding that wave right like you've already got like what you got 17 000 on one channel i don't know what the other channel has but in two in a couple

months yeah one one year basically okay one year yeah but those videos those videos have to have blown up your subscribers yes for sure the one thing is they've blown them up the the only thing which is it's not a bad thing but it's it's kind of it could be better let's say like that is that the people who subscribe through those videos are not the ones who are we are aiming for with the normal videos so let's say if half of them are romanians who just see it and are like oh cool that's fine but we actually see that there's a lot of traffic from the u.s especially on those videos so that's also why they don't bring as many subscribers as such a big video should normally bring as you think yeah yeah that's okay because they're looking for that type of content

exactly they click on the channel they see they do content about the romania thing of the video not about tate yeah and that is when when we think they're going to drop it but nevertheless we actually write the wave in terms of romania being an unexplored country we are the biggest english speaking youtube channel of people who live in romania yeah Oh, okay. Well, yeah. You know, I think here's the thing, though, you both on those videos, even though it's a very brief interaction, you know, both of your personalities, you know, come across pretty well. So, I mean, I know what you're saying, like, but a lot of my videos, some are true crime.

Sometimes I just have somebody on and I talk to them, but people tend to gravitate toward your personality a lot of time. And I bet you'd be shocked that probably, you know, I think you will get some, some people that will stick around just because, you know, just because they like you guys, your interaction with people. You're funny. You don't, you know, either one of you come off as a jerk. You're, you know, you know, you're very fun. You're both like nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. My girlfriend always, people are always saying, you know, like, they'll always say, you know, God, you're amazing. You're so cool. You're this or that. I'm like, I show my girlfriend. I'm, look. this guy said i was amazing this guy said she's like he doesn't know you yeah exactly yeah but it's actually true the same of course for you also with your story especially but even even without the story i mean now that you said it makes sense and it's kind of i don't know yeah it it rounds up the whole the whole thing but for sure what can be said uh what i had when we started the youtube channel i was talking to someone who is basically the who was the media the boss of the media part of uh dhl yeah he was the media consecutive who would actually tell the people what they should say

in front of when they would be interviewed whatever and he said that people are eight when they listen to someone the person can really talk the biggest trash it is only about how you talk and if you're charismatic and how the person likes you if the person likes you you want yeah and that's actually the thing and that's the same that you definitely have as well on top with that story is that charisma isn't it yeah yeah yeah well um so basically the so my understanding the youtube channel is and your business model is that you you you you take a fee to help people come to romania get a get um well i want to say not a similar you know get situated find an apartment yes do what you know basically you lay the groundwork for them to have a smooth

transition to come right in and not I would say that's that's half of what we do that's the second half of what we do the main thing that we we can be for our students is actually applying to the university for them bureaucratic kind of applications and services in Romania are solely done in Romania right the language is something that you it's a big barrier for certain people you are coming here to either start working to start studying to do their residency with their doctors or dentists already and that's one hurdle that we can we can push past for the students so instead of them having to take trips to come to Romania and actually do the application to the universities themselves having to get stamps at different places we do that for them and in a lot of cases we can

guarantee some students places at universities that they want to go to so they just end up staying in whatever country they're in maybe let's say they're in the US they're just sitting in their sofa but they send us by email all their documents. And after a couple of months, they got an acceptance that to a fantastic university and they're collecting their visa to actually come and study here. Okay. So you're facilitators.

Exactly. And then once they come, that's when we help with helping find apartments and all these other good stuff. All right. Well, that's cool. So, okay,

so let me mention the tape thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, the, like how, First, were you, were you guys aware of who he was?

Yes, yeah. Over the summer, then, he became the most Google person ever. He was the most famous person on the planet. There was no, even my mother knew who he was. Everybody who was on social media, at least a little bit knew who he was. Yeah, it was the most Googled or searched name out there, more than Kim Kardashian, right? Yeah. Massively huge.

And then, then, of course, he got knocked off social media. And then there were all the, the rumors out there about, you know, what was it, the, the, the sex trafficking rumors. And have you seen the vice or have you guys followed it at all? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So what did you, did you, so you saw the vice documentary? Yes. Yeah. What did you think of that? I honestly have to say this whole topic is a bit difficult. I can state for myself that I think it's hard for everyone to either know or not know if it's true.

When it was set up, I have to say since a few years, I'm very, very careful with what the media is telling, especially about people. Because I myself experienced something that Tate is going through with my family, which was absolutely crazy. A few years ago, that's actually one of the points where we start the business, you know, because we needed money, we need to do something. that's when you start being creative, you know, for the same situation, financially, the family's right on the buildup. I was in the same situation. So when as soon as media is talking about people doing especially this nowadays, yeah, in the situation we're in with the feminism and stuff,

raping women touching them and this stuff, I first listen myself. I actually want to talk to the person before I believe anything else. Right. I can understand that. And I've been locked up with guys that have had, you know, where they're very honest, where they're like, look, I've done, I did this, you know, but I actually one time took a plea. So I knew a guy who had taken a plea of sexual misconduct, but he had been accused of rape. Now, the prosecution, he was going to go to trial. And at the last minute, the prosecution was like, look, we don't know that we can prove rape.

So he just took a plea. But his whole thing was, like, I went on multiple dates with the girl. We were together multiple times. And then suddenly she just decided to make this allegation. So, you know, and things like that happen. And there are times there are, there are multiple people that have been accused of, you know, rape, gone to prison, gotten out. And then it turns out that the girl says, oh, yeah, I just made that up because I wanted to sue the school. Or, you know, like this guy just did six years for rape.

like that's no joke in a in a in a u.s prison that's not yeah that's not something you know ruin this guy's life yeah all like the guys the central park six or how they called yeah that movie that whole movie came out oh yeah yeah um shoot the movie the series netflix now they see us wasn't it no well i was thinking about the college i was thinking about the college students right yeah yeah yeah that's the center of six yeah yeah like they literally they they were they um they didn't have DNA. They said they had DNA. Like there was all kinds of stuff that they said.

They were practically planting evidence. Like, yeah, it was, look, you know, everybody in the United States, like, there are a lot of people that think, like, oh, the U.S. is not corrupt. Yeah. Or very, but the truth is, is like, I've had a vastly different experience. Although in my case, I'm 100% guilty. But I also was standing in front of a judge and listening to a. of the prosecutor twist every single thing it was like i felt like saying look honestly like what i did was bad enough like do you really have to put it like that like you're twisting

everything yeah you know but so i can i can i can and you know it comes out all the time that there are there's you know DNA that's fake there's there's all kinds of things that are faked, you know, transcripts, there's, you know, false statements, you know, false witness statements. Like that happens all the time. So I'm with you. Like I don't, I just, to me, I'm very cautious on what the media says because there are so many times where they say one thing and two years later, they say something completely different. Yeah. You know, it's, it's so good As well, that kind of accusation can be so detrimental to people's lives, especially with guys. If they're in a big company or they're seen as a college, potential college football player or something like that.

Sometimes you're, how do you say it, the way that you're viewed in the world as a man is directly proportional to how you feel a lot of the time. And if people go around saying that you've done something egregious, whether you've done it or not, regardless, after the time passes and six years you've gone out of prison and people know that you didn't do it, but not everybody will know. Maybe they won't say it as worldwide as they did the accusation. And then your kind of reputation is kind of ruling. Yeah. Forever. Absolutely. That's, you know, and look, on the other side of it, hey, maybe, maybe it's.

Absolutely true. Yeah, yes, for sure. For sure. It's a very real possibility. And yes, you know, and let's face it. I mean, you've seen, you know, Andrew Tate, like, he's clearly given them enough rope. Yes. Yeah.

Hang him, you know, he is, he has said enough derogatory things that it's, it's, that he's not doing himself any favors. Yeah. It's like I was mentioned, I've mentioned this before, people get mad at me for saying this. Like, he's not saying anything. saying anything that is about 80% of his message is the same message that Jordan Peterson says yes yes in Shapiro says it's like get up early take care of yourself be a man take care of your you know your your your wife um you know work hard be a provider like these are basic things the problem is that tate's delivery is so bad and he injects he injects so

certain things that he knows will trigger people. Yeah. That's what it's, in the end, it's a business model. I think you really sat down. He was like, how can I? I mean, his whole business model is genius. We all know about it. But I think that is actually the difference.

And there's the point where he's different, for example, to Jordan Peterson. Yeah. Jordan Peterson is someone, if you want to actually, that people value what you are saying and take you serious, you need to know how to fight. and the fight means, like he always says, become a monster and learn to control it. Tate is the monster, but he can't control it. That is the big problem where people start

getting aggressive and want, like, I just want this guy in prison. I mean, it's as simple as that. They are, yeah, if you as a man, especially nowadays, if you behave like him, even in a school class, in a school, it can very easily happen that some girls just are like, hey, he touched me. Like, this kind

of mentality start evolving, and that's what he I think he knew beforehand, for sure. For sure, he's a very smart guy. And I think one thing that is some of his view is some of the young men out there with the young boys don't necessarily tend to know is the difference between when he's being very serious or when he's trying to market himself and be viral. Because I think in his normal life, you've seen clips of him just daily going around. He's not always going around saying the crazy clips that you see on TikTok everywhere. And I think one dangerous thing is that these kids are taking those viral clips and using that in their daily life, going around, calling fat people wails to their faces and things like this. This is the kind of negative part that you can see.

And this is the part where people are latching on who already don't like his ideals. Those people are latching onto just that and vilifying in for that and saying send him to help. Yeah. Okay. i definitely i definitely see that and that that's exactly what's happening especially with the clips um shoot i you you said something i was gonna it made me think about something um well so oh oh i know what it was the vice video yes like have you ever seen fight club yes okay um i don't know why that very much the big his whole Tate, well, the Hustlers University that has spun off and they got a smaller group.

I forget what the name of what was called, but that met in Romania, they had a whole group, like, I don't know why. It seemed like a much cleaner version of the fight club. The war room. The war room. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why I was watching it.

I was like, boy, this is like, and those guys, like, you know, of course, they idolize them. Yeah, they want to be, it seems like a cool club of people. seems like, I mean, these people are very wealthy. They dress very nicely. They get a lot of women. So it's fantastic for the younger people in the hospital university, maybe we haven't signed up to look up to these people in the war room. It says war anyways. These guys are like fighters. They're like soldiers for man. And this and that is something that men, especially nowadays are missing. Yeah, missing. Like there is for sure something missing, but

they see it in the wrong thing. Yeah. Yeah. You know what you know what's funny too. I don't know what it's like in Germany and England, but literally you can meet. If you went out right now and surveyed 100, 100, let's say 19 or 20 year old kids, half of them don't even have driver's licenses. Yeah. When I grew up, listen, I was dragging, at 15 you can get your learner's permit. I was dragging my mother to give me the learners. At 16, like the day after after I turned 16, I was like, we got to go get my driver's license. Yeah, yeah. I think we got my driver's license.

Now there are 20 year old kids, 22 year old kids. They don't have a driver's license. They don't have a job. They're living in their, then their parents' spare room. They play video games 12 hours a day. Yeah, all they do is complain about the world and then they can't get a job. You're playing video games 12. I know a guy that just got out of prison.

he has three he he got three jobs offers within about two weeks yeah yeah yeah that is that is true it is i'm definitely one of those people who just got my life license yeah but you're from london but in general i got mine last year yeah but i i remember because i i also grew up more countryside so i was also one of those people i remember i was telling i was talking to my parents i was like um i told him i want my driving license to be paid as soon as i can't do it my My mom was like, if you don't smoke, until you turn 18, I will pay your driving lessons. And that actually happened. I got a paid and I did it directly.

But that's also something I realized. And you directly get a tech nowadays. If you talk about it or those people who study because in Germany, you have to know studying is for free. So it's paid by tax money. And the people just start studying for two years. Then they drop it completely. They just do something else. They drop it.

They do something else just because they love this time of just, you know, you go to course if you want to. You stay home when you want to. you are in a fancy apartment with two other young guys just going partying and that is something i was i was wondering i was like my dad is like i have this friend there he opened that business i have that friend there he he did he worked for someone then opened his business he did that i was like wait is it my friends or is it just everyone i just look around i'm like no one is doing something everyone is just comfortable consuming some nonsense at home on their sofa and doesn't want to go out in that world build something help other people of course you can also do that for

money it's it's a normal thing but just do something oh yeah no you have to have purpose if you don't have purpose yeah you're just drifting around yeah you're drifting around before you know it you're you don't know why you're even here and you're ready to commit suicide i mean it's yes it's um yeah it's it's funny and there's so many people so many guys like and so many guys are gravitated gravitate towards someone like tate because like they don't understand they don't have a girlfriend they don't have you know friends they don't have okay but you're you're not doing anything you're not the kind of person that someone want gravitates toward because you're playing you know Minecraft you know 10 or 12 hours a day you don't

leave your friends are on you know facebook or you know instagram you're not trying to get a degree you're not trying to work you know or oh i put in an application like stop bro come on the economy stop it there's always some of these grass that needs to be cut there's always some of these mo there's always somebody's snow that needs to be shoveled there's always something that somebody can do to get out of the house even if it's not going to be paying their bills even if they still have to stay at somebody's on somebody's couch that they can still get by but i think people are very lazy and also some people don't have that kind of farther figure or somebody who's going to push them

and shout at them, tell them what are you doing like, Tate. Yeah, a lot of people... But people seek that. They do. People want that. That is the big problem. And that's why when someone comes up, or that's why people maybe choose also next to Tate

other celebrities as their kind of role models where you would normally say, oh my goodness, how can you? But those people don't have orientation. They search for someone. And if, especially like, borderline kind of characters come on stage like Tate, for them that's like wow and that paired with the masculinity message that is quite clearly missing

i remember when i was having a fight on in school yeah i was like the teachers were pointing me out like a monster my mom was just like look it's it's a it's a guy it's normal i will tell him that he should not do it and it's not nice to have that in school but i will not be like treating him like he's he's so strange because he's yeah and that's what is happening so we don't go to military no more um all of that stuff has gone men just hang around with women instead of just having just times where you're just with men and that is i think why the tape message is just booming and all the guys are like yes this is what i was waiting for all my life yeah yeah i was it's funny we were i well two things came to mind is one the um the fight club

scene where uh and i only say this because i just watched it again last night um where uh Um, oh gosh, uh, what was his name? Um, I'm very bad with names. Huh? I'm bad with names. I, I can know the guy, uh, his, it's, um, Tyler Dearden. Okay. So that's the Brad Pitt character.

Yeah. Taylor Dearden, where he says, you know, we're a generation of men raised by women. By women, yes. You know, so and so, you know, basically masculinity has just been bred out of them. Yeah. And so that's why they start that, the whole fight club thing. And I was just thinking, as I was watching it, I was like, he, is it Tyler Deard? Yeah, Tyler Deere, I was, I was thinking, that's, that's, that's Andrew Tate. I'm telling you, that's what this is.

And I, in the Hustler University or the war room, I thought that's exactly what's happening. Like, these guys idolize him. The one guy was so disappointed himself for not wanting to fight. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and this is the thing, like having been in fights. You know, they, they show the fights, but, you know, fights are brutal. Oh, yeah.

You don't get three punches and you're okay. You know, these guys are beating each other up, broken noses, broken, you know, broken cheekbones, ribs. I mean, you can seriously harm someone in a fight, knocking out of their, I mean, you think, oh, it's there, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then they look great, you know, 20 minutes later in the movie, well, they didn't in a movie. Yeah. You don't really get hurt. Yeah. So that made me think of it.

And then the other thing made me think about it was when I got out of prison, I wanted to work at McDonald's. Why? Like here's what is because I remember thinking that the first thing I did was I called a friend of mine. And I said, hey, listen, he's like, hey, where are you at? I was like, oh, I'm in the halfway house. And he said, man, can I do anything for you?

I said, I need a job. But I really kind of expected him say, I'm sorry, man, I don't have a job. Yeah. But instead he was like, absolutely. And I was like, oh, wow, that was easy. So I got lucky. Yeah. But I remember telling everybody when I was getting out, they were like, where are you going to work?

And I was like, McDonald's. And they go, what? I said, because I want to start at the bottom. Yeah. I want to be able to tell people in two years or three years when I hear somebody complaining about life, I want to be able to look at them and say, bro, two years ago, I was I was working as the fry cook at McDonald's while living in a halfway house. So, spear me your hardship story. I wanted to work, start there, and go all the way up.

But instead, my buddy who owns a gym hired me immediately. So I'm almost disappointed that he hired me. You wanted that, you wanted that crazy success story. Yeah, yeah. It's still, I think the story is still great, to be honest. And I didn't even mind, like, in a way, it was like, it was, in a way, I wanted to put myself in that situation because look let's face it working at mcdonald's is humiliating yeah i've you know well i'm saying when you're when your friends see you you're like oh man i'm like

cooking stuff so you know it's not a great job so but i wanted that i wanted that humiliation of being the fry cook and starting here and going and going up i wanted that like i was i was good with that humiliation yeah and i think now like people think kids think oh i have applied to be a CEO of Sony records. Yeah. Yeah, they don't want to, they actually want this magic pillow just put in the work for like one day and then you have everything. But the funny thing is when you actually start from the bottom or you have something, like I said just before that me and my family went through something, you just, you just get dropped by to zero. Yeah. You're on the first level again. And first moment, of course, it's fucking annoying. It's crazy.

You're just like, why me? Every day you're just why me, why me, why us? But then you start actually realizing after some time, wait, I can't lose. I'm on the bottom and everything I do from here can just be good. And now actually getting friction with the YouTube with the company while studying, which is also not normally, I'm like, you know, this feels 10 times better. So I kind of understand like it's really nice to start from zero, start by yourself. and actually then you are able to help others and be like, look, I, like you, your story is just

amazing and you can just really show people, look, there is no excuse in life. Yeah, what people don't understand is that, sorry to cut you up, is that the starting from the bottom thing is very daunting. We all know that it's a very scary thing to start from zero, start from a place of humiliation where you maybe see your peers on a higher level than you are at. but the things that are important in that time are the character building skills that you will learn to bring yourself up and it's those things that are invaluable and are oftentimes very hard to develop if you start off at the top yeah absolutely absolutely yeah I mean that's why like one one generation builds the wealth and the next generation will spin it their kids will spin it

because they don't know what it took to get it exactly it's definitely character Absolutely. That's a perfect way you put it. Yeah. Yeah, I, I, geez. So the, so, okay, so I have another question. Have you guys thought, have you ever seen, and I understand this isn't what your YouTube channel is about? Sure.

But you guys are so good at the on the street interviews. Have you ever seen these, the, um, there's people, uh, there, And I want to say this is in London, where they, good neighborhood, car alarm. I know, it's the ambulance. He's an ambulance hospital. Romania's pretty safe. Like, honestly, I never saw a fight on the street in four years, nothing. So I want to say this was in London where they were walking around and they were asking people questions like in the United States.

how much do you think it costs to have a baby? Oh, okay. Like to have a child. And then people would give there. They'd go, oh, I don't know. That's right. You guys pay for that. Okay.

$500. And then they would tell them how much the average child cost. Yeah. You know, and then, which is, I don't know, it was like $12,000 or $15,000 in hospital bills. And they would go, oh, my God. So they would ask questions. And, of course, in the U.S., they come and they ask them things like how many states are there. Yeah.

And the average kid that they ask, like, doesn't know. Yeah. You know, they ask them when World War II started. Yeah. Just basic questions. But it's great interaction for the guys asking those questions. And usually those also make very good shorts. Yes.

You know, so that's a great way to generate leads to get new, or leads, to get views and new subscribers. And I was thinking it like because you guys were so good, I wonder if there wasn't some way you could do the same thing on the streets, you know, in Bucharest. Like, like even if it was like, do you know what? Like how much do you think a one bedroom apartment cost in the United States? Yeah. And then maybe the average is $1,800 a month. And people there would say, oh, about this much and you could calculate it and say, so you think it costs. Yeah, you know, $600 or $600, you know, $600 and you'd say $1,800, they'd be like, no. Yeah. Yeah. You could do all kinds of stuff. And that still falls in your wheelhouse, right?

Like how much is a college course? How much is like those? That still falls in your wheelhouse of, hey, come to Romania, go to school here. You could do college courses. You could do what else? you could do gas prices, college courses, you could do clothing, you could do electric, there's all kinds of stuff you could do to try and generate interest to get people to come to the channel and see what you do. Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Yeah, because we'll get

a lot more American audiences. Yeah, other audience than the one we have already. Well, you could also do it and you could say the same thing. You could say, how much do you think? How many, you know, in pounds or in whatever in England or in, you know, Berlin or you could do, do what you could do any any place that you're trying to target to get people to come it is actually a good idea we have to be honest we didn't think of that yeah we never thought about that yeah because i mean then you can put them up as shorts yeah they would go crazy i mean shorts shorts tictox are the way to do everything yeah i mean on our second channel we had basically we started it from zero this was at a point where our first channel had very small amount

of subscribers and we started off the podcast we're getting very little amount of views and then we just cut up the podcast viral parts or viral moments where we spoke and we put it on our instagram on ticto and that really shot up that those are the best reals that we have yeah yeah nice yeah nice also the interview ones as well they go insane yeah so what are you what are your thoughts on on uh back to the entertain things what are your thoughts on uh what do you think's going to happen i mean you guys have a better sense of the system there yeah the system is you just hit the system is is changing for this case as well you can see sometimes some things are not really in accord with the current laws that are

in place here i i don't think there's enough evidence on it i don't think there is nowhere near enough evidence to really put him down yeah same it's one of those things where i think i i think Some stuff could have happened for sure, like I'm not always treating the woman the right way. Yeah, like in general, those people who have a lot of money, not everyone of course, but people with a lot of money and a lot of power tend to tell others what they have to do, how they actually build their life and you have to do this, that, whatever. And there I can imagine that there were some rough conversations or kind of those things. but in general we will see if there's any proof but i don't think personally in that direction that

they will no i think also there's maybe four women involved one of them it's a bit shady because she was involved in something before like a prior accusation yeah with her boyfriend finding out that she was at the place and everything and then two of the other ladies kind of came out and said they don't want to be part of the investigation they're not really um they're not really accusing the tates of anything and the other one i think was long bendy twizzlers candy keeps the fun going on vice but she's at the end of the vice documentary they also explained that she was trying to set something up with our friend to set up the tapes, trying to ask if we should lie about certain things, whether they gave us alcohol or never.

There is nowhere near enough. I mean, if it goes down, then that will be crazy. I think the point, when you even ask about the system, we can say following. In Romania, the system we quite clearly can say, let's say like this, that it's not our own opinion. Romania is in Europe known to be corrupt. Yes. That is definitely Eastern Europe.

the thing that is right now the big question the tates came to romania because they were saying we are safe here even with a lot of money we have to let them know beforehand we can not just come and spend loads of money driving crazy cars and then get ripped off by the romanians themselves we have the power um but the thing is they came for that to be safe and the thing that we also have to say they did a massive they had a massive impact on uh bringing romania on the map because no one knew about that country you don't have big celebrities just some people like some hollywood stars that have like one Romanian parent but they really brought it on the map this guy the most good person for like four months was living in this in the capital city of this country and he was always talking about how nice it is how safe it is how good the people are how yeah how how he can live there safe with a lot of money leaving a club in the middle of the night being drunk with a half a million dollar watch and nothing would happen and that is for sure true yes further coming from london me even coming from

german countryside here it's just super safe there is really nothing you can yeah there's nothing um but for us the confusing thing is when they get arrested everyone was like got this feeling of the police gotten corrupted all the tates by someone else yes that's the feeling that there is that there's a higher power that have yeah kind of um had something to do with their arrest Yeah, they had a hand on it. There was somebody putting pressure on them. Exactly. That's the impression.

Yeah, that's the impression. Because beforehand, what we think could have happened is, I mean, he has a lot of money. He knows the right people. He knew them before he moved here. So that even saved him beforehand all the time. Now the sudden arrest, everyone's like, wait, there has to be maybe some player in the game now who even has more money. Yeah, and certain things going on in the court case as well. I think their lawyer came out on Romanian national TV and explained a little bit what's going on behind scenes.

I'm sure a lot of people, those of the viewers have maybe seen a translated version of this interview with the lawyer. And he stated, I don't know if this is true because this is out of his own words, but he stated he only had maybe 45 minutes to read hundreds and hundreds of pages of evidence that is proposed against the tapes. And that's not right at all. How are you meant to build up a proper defense case with only 45 or so minutes reading through that all the proposed evidence against your client? So there are a couple random things which are a bit fishy going on with the whole procedures that make it seem like there's somebody else having their hand in the whole situation.

Yeah, that's the concerning part is like if the system itself is against you, kind of like he says, which to me is comical. when he's he literally was being arrested and said the the matrix is coming it's movie like it's so epic in the middle of this whole thing you come out with that wow like you're you're always in character yeah yeah always yeah that was actually wild yeah but yeah it does make me think like when i see that you know it's like okay well if the system is against you then you you've got a real problem you know whether it's oh there's no evidence there's no this there's no that it's like yeah yeah but the whole system's working against you and it you know do they have the jury system there

or they have just a judge i believe it's just the judge system there right so that that to me worries me i was talking to my girlfriend about that i was like i'll take my chances with a jury at least there's 12 of them you got to convince almost everybody yeah you get one corrupt judge and it's over and it's over Yeah. Yeah. It is it is really difficult. We really don't know how those things are handled. But in the end, look, we don't know because maybe he really did a lot of stuff that we don't know about. And he let's imagine he's like the craziest. He's so charismatic and can really dive so much into this role that he does his criminal things and on top builds this business. that would be really ridiculous if he then i don't know how intelligent he has to be but building the business on top of that hustles university the war room and in everything plays that character

the whole time new they're going to come for me and i'm going to put them as the metric basically he's turning around the game so yeah the the system is like the fictional character the matrix he is like the villain and the metrics is not the matrix matrix is just our normal system and that could also be the case and in the end he would be he would lose knew the whole time they're going to come for me and that drags the people even more in his fans like oh my goodness look they're coming and even we had people on the interview maybe you remember there was a group of guys with a girl as well who was saying that he's you should be freed one guy said he thinks he's guilty but still you should be freed because that shows like the people are not thinking properly anymore yeah no a lot of them

like that like oh he says misogynistic things he should go to jail like yeah well being a jerk doesn't mean you have to go to jail yeah i mean we interviewed a lot of people with car maybe a lot of other parts that where we were interacting with them we wanted to show a lot of different points of view but you would often at times tell them that look i hope you know that he's not going to jail because he's misogynistic or because you don't like him that there's actually something way bigger a huge reason why he's in prison or maybe might be incarcerated for a long time. It's not because he goes against abuse that you like or because you think he's a mean person. It's crazy. It's insane that people nowadays think that somebody is rightly, rightly should

be put in jail for opinions or based on what they say. It's wild. It really is. Yeah. Well, you know, having been in prison for a significant time, I can tell you that the majority of time they get it right. You know what I'm saying? Like most of those guys, you don't want living in your neighborhood. You know, most of the guys that I've met in prison. I've met some amazing people in prison. But it's funny, too, because most of the people that I really met and thought were phenomenal and amazing and brilliant would also tell you, oh, I should be here. No, no. No, no. I definitely. I definitely. they did this you know nobody ever thinks they should they should be in prison as long yeah they were given like if it's five years or like they could have given me two years and you say everybody's crying you know but but almost nobody ever says i shouldn't be here i've only met two people the whole time i was locked up that ever said no i got an appropriate sentence for what I did. I'm perfectly happy to do what I got a good deal.

Only two. You know, one was a counterfeiter who got counterfeited millions of, of dollars worth of credit cards for the Russian mom. And he was like, he got two years and he was like, hey, I'm happy with two years. And another guy who was driving through,

who's a trucker on methamphetamine, he ran over two hikers while driving through a national park and he killed them and he got 15 years and he said I am absolutely okay with 15 years he goes I like it's manslaughter he's like I he said I'm I'm I'm perfectly okay he said I'm I'm perfectly okay with the sentence he says I killed two people he said 15 years for two people he honestly he said i i got a deal i think so as well yeah yeah i mean he was you know and he was super i feel like he was almost upset that he got the 15 that he only got 15 yeah because every i mentioned it he got he would get teary eyed yeah so he really regreted so much yeah and not not everybody does he did it was clearly an accident like it was he was he was on drugs

he fell asleep he ran off the road and happened to hit these two hikers and he was he was all torn up about it. But yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, you were saying. That is that same. Oh, I have horrible stories, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine. Tragedies. Yeah, also, when you had been, for 15 years, you said

13. 13. Yeah, but still, you see so many people just coming and going and so many people you talk to, so many stories. And how, I just now speaking, the song was so long in prison. How is it in general

you said before you went to prison before iPhones actually at the market is it that you guys how did you say how you see the development outside of prison or is it just that you come out and you're like what is this what is that what's going on here oh it was it was like walking it was like stepping into the future it was it was insane like i remember somebody had emailed me something and i needed to print it was like one of the first or second days i was at work and i went up to my buddy my boss and i said hey look i have this email i have to print it i said how can i printed it it's in my email and he goes he goes okay he said he goes here email he was he was he was you know what he was give me your phone he just email it to me emailed it to him and he sat there

went like this for a minute and he goes okay it's over there and i went what he was i printed it and i went yeah no bro i'm serious i said i need to print this and he goes i printed it And I went, how? He was off my phone. I go, how? And he went, yeah, the Wi-Fi. He said, my phone's connected to the Wi-Fi, which is connected to the printer, so I printed it. And I walked over, and he had printed like five documents.

And I was like, wow, like, that's insane. And, you know, we're watching whole movies on our phone. I was like, this is insane. Like, there were so many crazy. crazy things that I was unprepared for because there was no access to the internet when you're in prison. Yeah. There's really not even access to email.

Yeah. Yeah, that is ridiculous. Was that scary? I mean, in an awkward way, like I don't know if you've ever heard this, but there are, you know, you've heard that there are guys that will get out of prison and they, they want to go back yes yes so you get out and you're so uncomfortable in the environment and i was so used to my routine that like at four o'clock every day they count you no matter where you are the whole time i was i was in four o'clock you better be standing in your cell they're going to count you

about 330 340 no matter where i was i felt extremely anxious in a way i can't explain like i I mean, like jittery, like, I shouldn't be here. Yeah. And it's hard to explain. It sounds ridiculous. But there were so many times when this went on for about a year, I genuinely thought, when I got out of the halfway house, I genuinely kept feeling like somebody was going to show up and say, we made a mistake. You're supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They released you. You're supposed to be in prison. Like, if they had shown up, I probably would have felt relieved. so it took about a year before I really felt comfortable just out being out and about and about and with the technology and at this point now everybody I know that's my age is like man you you've surpassed you know you're great with the technology you're great with all the things that you're but I had to really you know really take it seriously and it's almost like you have to study where young kid i ask i have an assistant and i'll say hey how do you do

this i need to do this and she'll she'll go here give me your phone and i always have to basically say no no no no step show me show me how to do it i need to do it because you know she'll go there it's done and i'm like that yeah yeah that is actually ridiculous how was it how was it for your um that is actually very interesting because for us humans it's very very good to have our routine and actually go after that. And that is also what a lot of people like Jordan Peterson and all the gurus of our time are telling us, like stick to certain things. How was it for you now? Because I think in prison, you have like the craziest ever routine.

Like every morning, you always the same following steps, same in the evening or during the day. How was it then coming out now also doing the podcast? I guess we have kind of a very free day to structure as well. Like some work you do is more ordered, but some is more like the YouTube, you can think about what we do today. How was that then? Like this, not only the switch,

but how is it now for you? I mean, I very much like the routine in prison. The problem with it is that it's not comfortable. Like prison is not designed to be comfortable. You know, you're the mattress. are horrible there's no plate every chair is this hard plastic or concrete like it's a very uncomfortable environment so to be uncomfortable all the time and and the food is you know it's not horrible horrible but it ain't great uh and like everybody out here like i'll go somewhere and you know

like you can order anything on the menu they don't serve anything bad out here so you know you know So it's like, I'll eat whatever, you know, yeah. Oh, Matt, do you want this? Do you want this, bro? I'll eat whatever you bring me. And so being out here, like I said, it took a little bit to transition. But there's still some things like I don't, I can't sleep past probably five o'clock. Like they turn on the lights at five o'clock.

You wake up. You got to get out of bed. You make your, I still make my bed. My girlfriend, you know, the girl that I'm actually were engaged to be married. Oh, congratulations. It's so funny to mention I met her in the halfway house She did five years in prison

That's good So we both get up in the morning We make the bed We make her coffee We like it's not like either one of us Wants to sleep till nine Even today I was up at probably up at three or four

And I came down here and I started writing For about an hour or so Then she came down and made coffee And then we went to the gym like that was our routine in prison you get up you make coffee you wait for them to open the doors you go to the rec yard you work out you come back to the unit you get counted you go to you go to eat lunch then you go to do whatever job you have to do you know it's a whole routine so yeah it's it's you just have to switch your routine i mean like like you know just like

you said routine is it's it's very comforting do you guys have anything else you can think of that you want to talk about or i mean i think i have thousands of questions to be honest i'll talk for hours so i'm yeah yeah uh hmm do you have another question i have to think but i have i have a lot i just have to for a second think about like there's no listen let me tell you it it's funny i've done a lot of podcasts and guys are like is there anything that's like off the table like yeah what you think you're going to make me look bad like no there's nothing off the table there's nothing you can ask me that i'm not going to be like yeah okay this is what happened this is you know yeah some of them are you know some of

the things are brutal i mean you know i have a question yes sir you did you did a lot to get yourself into prison for 13 years um but i want to know what happened in your i guess your early adulthood or your late teen life that led to you diving into this type of world so it's It's funny because I wrote a memoir, right? And I got a literary agent. He read it. Like he came to the prison and read it and came to the prison. And I remember thinking he was coming to say, hey, I want to represent you.

And he came and he said, you have an amazing story. He said, but you come off like a complete sociopath. Wow. And he said, the problem is he said, when you end up getting your sentence, I thought, good, fuck them. He deserved it. And he said, but I've spoken with you. And he also knew my, my sister. And he said, he said, and I know that there's stuff

about your youth and growing up that you didn't put in the book. And I went, oh, nobody wants to hear about that. And he goes, no, no, I want to hear about it. People want to know. People want to know why you did this instead of becoming. Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi.

What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not? No, just ask your doctor about Wagovi. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay, so why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into Lion Tamers. You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagovi by name.

Visit wagovi.combe.com for savings. Exclusions may apply. He said, you know, the CEO of a company or a doctor or a lawyer or any of the things that you could have been why did you do this and so i went back and i had to rewrite my my my met the whole memoir and the one thing that that was a huge influence on me was my father so you know i was raised by a a strict conservative catholic mother my father was an alcoholic and to sum up what you said is you know my father was a a binge drinker right but he was a functional alcoholic so he would get sober for three months or six months and then he would go on a

binge for two weeks and everybody would coddle him like everybody um you know everybody um you know everybody made sure that he was okay they would cover for him they would enable him like you know an enabler they were all enabled everybody enabled him and even his work he worked for State Farm Insurance. Okay. His work would find out that he was on a drunken binge and they would, they'd call him in the office, they would say, we're going to put you into an alcohol rehab center. And they put them in three or four times into, and I don't mean like a 10-day program.

We're talking about 60 days, 30 days, 90 days, over up for a year or two and start the process over again. The thing about my father was he was also the top, in the southeast region, he was the top performing manager. That's why. He made State Farm a ton of money. My father made a ton of money. And what I realized growing up was you could pretty much behave however you want to behave as long as you make money. and the only thing that mattered in life was making money and and yeah the examples i give one of the examples i give is i was god how old was it i don't even know i was eight or nine something

like that maybe i was 10 i don't know and we were going to to the movies and i was like let's say i'm nine years old i got my little izod t-shirt on my little izod shirt you know we're in my dad's new bmw he's driving he's in his suit he's smoking a cigarette and I looked over at the car next to us and in the it was a I remember this day it was a beat-up Chevy Nova and it had a bunch of dirty little kids sitting in the back and they were staring into my father's car and they were looking at me and I remember immediately feeling ashamed and embarrassed like we had money and clearly we're going in the movies you know on Saturday and clearly these kids look like they're living a horror having a

horrible existence and I remember being embarrassed and I looked up at my dad and he looked at me and he looked over at those kids and he goes huh I wonder what the poor are doing today and I just remember thinking like I was like wow like it and he kind of chuckled And I thought, like, it's a us and them, and the difference is money. Yeah. And whatever you have to do, it is always better to be driving the BMW than the Nova. Yeah. And I think that that really, really, his behavior had a very drastic.

a very drastic, you know, effect on me. Yeah. You know, so it's dozens of stories like that. Yeah. So basically that's something we actually spoke about today. So what you say is that you actually got conditions, conditioned into doesn't matter what I do. I have to make money.

It doesn't matter. As long as the money is good and a lot, it doesn't matter what I do, how I behave towards people. Is that what you, yeah. We were talking about exactly that because that is something we both have to say coming back to the Tate thing. We love that there is a voice coming from the other side because all the voices nowadays are coming from the left. They are all pushing this agenda of making men weak. So we like that.

But the thing where we can't say or count us to his followers and fans is the point, firstly, that it's only about money. you are just worth something when you have the money and those guys they don't care about anything else it's it's ridiculous when you have contact with those people for example one guy was just using our our video our content to to make his own reels and whatever and we know it's a good it's good for us as well but we kind of tell hit them up and be like hey yo could you at least write us in the credits this guy was just like no no was like what like why we spent hours in the cold filming it then cutting it up please just attack us and he was like no i was like yeah okay doesn't matter then uh have a good day because not the jerk yeah you will not come far in

life with that behavior his answer on that was bro i earn six hundred dollars a day and i was like you know he felt justified by the amount of money that shows it's it's incredible and that's that's the point where we both say look um it is you need a purpose and if god puts you in that position where you even earn good money with it. That is great. Fantastic. But even there are lots of rich people every day who suicide themselves because they just, their purpose is the money and that is not fulfilling.

Yeah. And they get to the top. Listen, I had, look, prior to going to prison. Yeah. What was that? Yeah. I owned a mortgage company, right? Like, I had tons of money.

Yeah. And I could tell you right now, I was happier in prison and I am happier now than I ever was with millions of dollars ever i have better people around me i feel better about myself like that honestly but i i would have never you know what i used to tell myself when i would hear people say that that money doesn't mean anything they're losers yeah that's a loser mentality until you go through something and you get out and you realize like wow like all those people that idolized me because i had money or i was making them money like those people didn't care about me no yeah people were scumbags. Yeah. So, you know, now the people I have around me, they care about me. I know because I've got no benefit to them. I can't make them any money. Yeah. So now they just hang out with me because they just like me and we hang out and we have fun and, you know, that's it. That's the better. And look, I'm not saying I'm opposed to making a bunch of money. I'm thrilled. I'd love to make a bunch of money. Yeah. But it's not the end all, be all of existence. No. It's not. It's not.

the number one objective for us as human beings and also it comes around it comes along with many many problems like you said sometimes when you make a lot of money you tend to not know whether the people around you are really there for you or whether they're really there for the money that you're making it's a very it's it's also a scary place to be at to feel like you're alone with all this bunch of money around you or you feel like you're paying people for the things that you would intrinsically like to be free for example the friendship you may be paying people for friendship in some ways you know that these people are around you only for the money or a huge partly partly because of how successful you are it's if people don't understand how how not great

being rich is it's not it's good you're not poor you have food on in your belly you have somewhere to stay maybe have some certain luxuries and life that other people don't have but it brings about its own problems as well yeah yeah i i you know so jordan peterson there was an interview i watched on him where somebody was saying he said well how much money would would make you happy or something along those lines and the guy said oh if i had you know i don't know what the number was it was like 10 million dollars and he goes really do you think you could handle that responsibility yeah like what would be the first thing you would do you know oh i i'd give this much to you know you know my my mother and i'd buy my sister this and i'd give this much to this

person and i'd be like you can't balance your own finances with a little bit of money you're now they're taking away people's purpose in life yeah people's purpose in life is to make money yeah they would they have no idea how miserable they would be if they achieved it yes sometimes the worst thing that can happen to you is a your goal because suddenly it's now what is my purpose and without your purpose trust me life becomes really really intolerable very quickly yes yes i think that is why why it's important that the money is the bonus and not the the fulfilling part because if you actually do something that fulfills you and next would you have the money that that is good because i think we can agree on the

fact that money makes life easier to a certain extent for sure and oh yeah but the problem that i realized with a lot of people when i asked them especially in our generation where everyone's just trying to seek the limitless luxury life and with all the best stuff um the thing is when you ask them would you rather take five million euros or be just happy but you have nothing the people who choose the money and that is the big point for it should be the mindset that if you have the safety that brings your normal money of being able to move your family if stuff happens to afford good education for your kids good nutrition a good life with your wife and kids if if that all would be insured for 100% then you should be able to drop the money away if that's not the case then then you're on the wrong side and that that means you're You're seeking all the money just to live that life that will definitely not make you happy. Yeah, that means you've got the idea of money wrong because money essentially should be a means of helping your situation. Like David said, helping your children go to a good school, get them good education, helping them get fed and have a good place to stay, get some trips made to somewhere every year to a nice place for holidays.

Money isn't, some people don't remember that money is to be spent on good things, not just to accumulate a huge amount. And then that would make you happy having all this bunch of paper around or this number in your bank account. It doesn't make any sense. You know, what's funny is I do say like, I'm like, I wish, it's funny, like I wish I was making more money from, you know, YouTube or doing other things. But the reason I want to make that additional money is so that I can do. more YouTube. Yeah, exactly. And I can write more.

Like, yeah, I'm not doing it just to get the money because now, then I'm going to go buy a new car. I'm going to buy the money. Yeah, I really just want to do it so that I can enjoy the other things that I'm doing that really make me happy. Yes. And like, that's the goal with the YouTube thing is that hope, I'm hoping, you know, if it keeps going the way it's going, then eventually that pays all my bills. And then I'll just double down on it. Then you'll never, nobody will ever get rid of me. I'll be on every day.

Yeah, yeah. That is, I, we can definitely agree on that. If you're passionate about something, and I think your, your story, I think everyone who is on YouTube, a lot of people, let's say, they have a great story behind what they do or what moved them to do it. But your story is definitely top notch. That there is nothing more moving in life. Maybe, maybe other crazier family disasters or sickness, illness, those things are maybe, maybe above. But the rest, for sure. if you have something like that and you're passionate about it and it's the same like for us you you want the good money to come and you're happy because you're like look wow we can even afford better better gear to even pump out better videos have more time for doing what we love and that I think is in the end purpose as well that is the proof that it's the purpose so I don't know if you do you guys want to plug anything you want to plug your channel or anything because I mean we I kind of have to like I could keep talking forever yeah but just got a notification that says hey you know yeah no sure yeah um do you guys have you want to plug your channel and and what you like what is it what's the what is the official pitch for what you your the company that you got does yeah so so basically we are two people who study medicine and dentistry in romania we moved from germany and the uk here because we We couldn't get a place like loads of people and we searched for a place where we can

study medicine and dentistry for affordable prices. And that's why we came to Romania. If someone is listening or know someone who also wants to study medicine or dentistry, you can just hit us up. It's RO-maniac.com. There you can just book a free consultation call and or just email us or message us on Instagram we will take care of you and your application to a med school. We generally guarantee the place, otherwise we would get your money back.

And yeah, you would come here, meet us. We would help you set up your life in Romania and become a doctor. Yeah. And the main thing is that you don't even have to learn a new language. Everything is in English. Yes. That's great because Americans, we barely speak English. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Well, listen. Also, and, you know, subscribe to your, subscribe to everybody, your channel and you got like, you know, I saw three that were hooked up. We have two. So we have Romaniac. So that's R-O-M-R-O-Maniac.

Yeah, that's it. Romaniac is our main channel. We do interviews, street kind of stuff. We'll be implementing some of the ideas that you gave to us. That's awesome. I'm telling you, I think that would, some of those would be good. They would be. Yeah, yeah.

And thank you so much for giving them to us. Yeah. yeah we do interviews about all sorts of stuff in romania lifestyle we travel around the whole country as well do we record explorers to the type of videos too yeah we also have a podcast on our second channel where we do reactions um we have an official podcast called the romaniac show our second channel is romaniac live and you can listen to the podcast in all audio platforms yeah um it's called the romaniac show yeah it's all it's all romania centered and yeah that's that's that's all the content yeah i mean we spoke a bit about um the nomad kind of lifestyle people who have their own

kind of who have their own jobs and are looking to go to somewhere that's really cool lots of people end up coming to romania from the u.s we had an interview on our on the romaniac show with a romanian lawyer who helps people make companies and move here and make a lot of money entered the real estate game in romania as well because it's it's incredibly lucrative so if If anybody's out there wondering of where to go to kind of invest or where to go to kind of live for a couple months. Low tax. Very low taxes as low as 1%.

Go watch that episode on The Romaniac show on all your platforms with the Romanian lawyer. It would be very, very, very big. You know what we should do? Like next week, you guys should interview me about being on the run and how I should have gone to Romania we will we will set yeah we can just yeah yeah we can like how an inexpensive how i could have relocate you know that i mean yeah it's hokey but then you could talk about we could talk about being on the run like getting a getting driver's licenses getting passports like keep in mind i went to i went to italy i went to greece i went to the bahamas i went to um i'm sorry

Bermuda, I went to Jamaica, Mexico, Croatia, all on fake passport. Or not, they were real passports, a U.S. State Department issued. They just weren't my name. But I traveled extensively. Like, I could have gone to Romania. Yeah. What I can also do is like ask, we can combine that with talking about a detailed situation. What you, other way, we interview you with our questions about what you think about it.

That would be good. That would be good. I'll watch Fight Club again. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Okay, well, I mean, let me know. I'll talk to Colby about it. We'll have to set it up. Yeah, for sure.

Thank you so much. It was amazing. Yeah. Very, very interesting. I think just to tell you, it was one of the most interesting conversations I have in life. For sure. Yeah.

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Jock, people banging stuff in the background. I'm like, what the hell's this guy doing?