Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What the FBI Didn't Release About the Epstein Files

Episode Date: July 4, 2026

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We have the Epstein place. There was Sarah Kellan, Adriana Ross, not even. There was Hillary and Leslie. But Cash Patel said he'd release him first day. He's been completely quiet since then. When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting that crime. We did the previous interview, but there have been things that have happened since then. Well, Trump and Cash Patel, and pretty much, you know, everybody kind of associated with him was saying that the Epstein list would be released immediately.

Yeah. And then, of course, Pam Bonnie and she had also said that it would be released. The documents that Pam Bonnie released were a joke. They gave us no new information. Actually, when I put the black book on the Internet in 2015 and also put a bunch of flight logs on the Internet in 2015, I offered far more about Epstein's perpetrators or the names of Epstein's herbertrators. or the names of Epstein's perpetrators, then our Department of Justice did last week,

which is really, really galling for someone like me who's filed this case and who really cares about the welfare of children. What they rolled out was a joke. I mean, it really was a joke. And now, Pam, Bondi says that they're going to release through documents, but it was a problem with that. She said on national television that she was going to release the Epstein files or Epstein

list or whatever. And then she said after that turned out to be a nothing sandwich, she said, well, I was bamboozled by the FBI. But in either case, it's pretty egregious because in the first case, she lied on national television to the country. But I think it's more likely the second case is that she was bamboozled. But that's still a grievous because we are talking about the welfare of children. She should have read the documents that she released. I mean, you would think that that would kind of be just a baseline competency. She didn't do that.

And they rolled them out. And there is no Epstein list. I really have to explicate that. People talk about the Epstein list. There is no Epstein list. It's not like he had a list of perps that he kept on his refrigerator with a magnet. It's not that way. Now, the blank book that I put on the Internet in 2015 lists a number of Epstein perpetrators,

a number of them. and a number of them are corroborated by the sworn statement of Virginia Guffrey, one of Epstein's underage victims that he pandered out. We have the names. And actually, the New York Times listed six procures. The New York Times had a full page article naming six procures, which are pimps, essentially, for Epstein. And the only one that was indicted was Galane.

Maxwell. There was Sarah Kellan, who was in the pecking order right below Maxwell. There was Adriana Ross. There was Nadia Marsen-Cobba. There was Haley Robson and Leslie Groh. And they should have been indicted. The government has what's called a racketeering influence corrupt act. And that's how they've been able to take the mafia down. They, that's what they got Diddy. They are able to connect all these independent crimes or that might be crimes just to work together and to turn it into an entire conspiracy. Well, the thing about the Diddy case, I'm just going to jump back to that real quick, is there's at least 20 underage victims or women that had and young men that had filed cases saying that they were underage one Diddy or his co-horse molested them. And that attorney, or that U.S. attorney, his name is Damien Williams. He played an integral role in covering up the Maxwell case by calling four witnesses

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855271-1871 or go to trylear.com backslash mat to get your free wealth protection kit. Once again, that's 855-271-1871 or go to trylear.com backslash-slaher. The grand jury that he impaneled didn't indict Diddy on a single-hunterment abuse, and he was actually indicted on a racketeering conspiracy. But here's the thing. Maxwell was indicted on two conspiracies. And Diddy was indicted on a regal conspiracy, but no one else's name. I mean, how can you have a criminal conspiracy when you've only got one person? I mean, that's very flawed logic. And I, I think Americans are catching on to it. Now, getting back to the list, we know who a lot of the perpetrators are because of the documentation that's come out, because of the blackbook,

because of the flight logs. It's just a matter of the Department of Justice having the will to actually indict these perpetrators. But we know who a bunch of them are. And until the Department of Justice has the will to indict these perpetrators, this is, going to go on and on and on and on. And it's going to be these type of networks are just going to keep functioning. I wrote about a network in the Franklin scandal. I followed the Epstein story, and I jumped on to the Ditty story pretty quickly. And all three involved the trafficking of. And according to state and federal law enforcement, not a single kid was interested during the Franklin scandal, which is really, really a horrible cover-up. And then with Epstein, you've got, there's a number of victims have come forward,

but what they've said, we don't really know because there's the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, which is very corrupt. It was put together by David Boyes, who was one of the attorneys who represents a number of the vacants and Jordana Feldman. Jordana Feldman and David Boyce kind of came up with the criteria that they would use to sell these lawsuits against the Epstein Victims' Compensation Fund. And we don't know what criteria they're using. This is done in secret. I mean, it's clandestine machinations.

And there's been 225 women that have applied for settlements, and 150 have been granted settlements, an eight relinquished. Because if you got a settlement, you had to sign an NDA, which basically said you couldn't go after any of your other perpetrators. So that victim's compensation fund is shutting victims down, and it's doing something that the government can't. It's preventing these victims from going after their perpetrators. And I might have said this the last time I was on your show, I know an eminent psychologist. She's very, she's been on television a lot.

She's been interviewed in documentaries. She had a client who she really felt had been trafficked by Epstein when she was under 10 years old. And the kid provided, not if she's a young adult, but she provided articulars of Epstein's home and also various things around his, around his mansion. And then I know another therapist who also, and she's a very competent therapist too, she also believes that one of her clients was by Defford Epstein when she was under 10 years old.

And both of these young women now applied for compensation from the victim's compensation fund, and they were denied. And both therapists believe that, they were denied because they didn't fit into the narrative. The narrative is that Jeffrey Epstein didn't know anybody under 14 years old, which is still very bad, but I think that to be a lot more outrage, if people knew that Jeffrey Epstein was pimping out kids that were under 10 years old. And these two therapists really believe that's the case that Jeffrey

Epstein was pimping out these young girls. And guys like Epstein, Epstein liked pubescent girls. But guys like Epstein are psychopaths. I mean, if you want an eight-year-old, they'll get you an eight-year-old. We saw that in a Franklin scandal. We've seen it in Epstein. And I think we will probably see it in Diddy. I'm sure that some of those freaks that Diddy was pimping to like, you know, I mean, that's just the kind of pathologies that we're dealing with. Well, I mean, some things, you know, it's getting, well, first of all, you know, I always like to point this out as a, you know, Diddy hasn't been, he was, like you said, he wasn't convicted, I mean, he wasn't indicted for that. He was invited on racketeering for other

charges. So there's no, so far that wasn't part of the indictment. I'm sure when he goes to trial, if he's dumb enough to go to trial, all that's coming out. There may be a separate indictment. But what I wanted to mention to you is, did you hear just on a, just talking about the underage girls and everything and possibly Diddy, you understand that I think yesterday, the day before Diddy's lawyer came out, went to the judge, and is desperately trying to get off the case. He said there's no way I can represent him. What is that? I've really never, I've only heard that in cases where a defendant is arguing,

you basically can't argue two different things. You can't sit here and say you're, I can't say you're innocent or put you on the stand. Like if a defendant's saying, I want to be on the stand, I want to testify, but you're the defense attorney and you know he's going, he wants to. testify to something that you 100% know is not true. In that case, you cannot put him on the stand. I can't have you sit here and say, I never did this and I never did that when you already know he's admitted to you that he did do it.

So if that's the conflict, that's the only time I can think of an attorney saying, absolutely, I have to get off the case. Or maybe there's a conflict of interest in such a way that he's, I can't imagine an attorney being so distilled. by anything that they would get off a case. But, you know, what do you think that is? What, what, what, it was happening there?

There could, I mean, like, it could be the issues that you brought up. I mean, Diddy is a psychopath. He's a rich psychopath. Right. He's a billionaire psychopath. But like you said, he's a rich psychopath. Lawyers for money, they'll represent, like, and let's face it, they're technically, they're supposed to, they have to represent you.

I mean, they're not supposed to let that get in the way. it's difficult to say. I mean, maybe did he threaten him? That's very possible. I did not think about that. With that case, now, I know a true benefile network

very well, the Franklin Network and the Epstein Network. And with the Franklin Network, there were two primary pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spence. Craig Spence had become a loose cannon. And he had, he had gotten a,

he had a huge ego. And it was, I think, the people that were overseeing that network, the intelligence people, that dark and lolling a corner of our intelligence, realized that Spence couldn't do the time, that he wasn't going to keep his mouth shut. So that a deal was made with Spence, you either you're going to have to kill yourself or we're going to kill you. and ultimately spans, I believe, to himself. Now, Lawrence King kept his mall shut and did, I think, 12 years for embezzling $40 million from the Franklin Credit Union.

He wasn't indicted on a single-count abuse, and when he got out of prison, he had a no-show job waiting for him at a BMW dealership in Alexandria, and he still isn't... I keep track of King. Now, with Epstein and Maxwell, Epstein ostensibly came himself, but I think Maxwell probably got the same talk is done a lot of good work for us. We've been able to compromise people. But, you know, you're going to have to do some time.

You're going to have to take the fall for this. And we'll take care of you when you get out. You'll be able to keep all your money. That's the deal, I think, that was made with Maxwell. I believe the same deal was made with Diddy. and you can keep your money. You're going to have to do some time, but you can keep your money,

and you can give the money to your kids, to your family. And all you have to do is keep your mouth shut. Because he was also running a blackmail enterprise, and I also believe that he was protected. Protected by who? I believe that he was protected probably by federal authorities. And when I'm talking federal authorities, I'm talking about this deep, dark, malignant corner of intelligence that perpetrates these types of crimes and honey traps.

And when I was on here last time, I think I might have mentioned Clive Davis. And Clive Davis was a mentor of Diddy, and they started bad boy records together. Now, Clyde Davis is a really, really dirty guy. he's ripped off lots of musicians. I mean, he's launched a lot of careers. There was a documentary that came out about him, which was essentially an infomercial. But his criminal, I mean, he's been busted defrauding the IRS three times.

And you know what happens when he defraud the IRS. You've experienced that. They keep coming back over and over again, for sure. And also he was part of the biggest Peola swindle of all time. And Peola is outlawed. It's one record companies, or actually it's one, yeah, record companies give money to radio stations to play their records. And then there was a Genovese crime guy named Pasquale Falcone who was smuddling handy in the United States. And the feds started to dig, drill in the falcon and see what other.

other criminality he was up to. And he and Clyde Davis had set up a bunch of shell companies. And Clyde Davis was siphoning money from ABC records into these shell companies. And then he and Falcone would split the profits. And you want to know how much time Davis did for that criminal, the criminality that I've just enumerated. And I'm sure that there's a lot more criminality that I haven't enumerated. But you want to know how much time. They have to spend him in prison for that? How much? He didn't spend a single day in jail.

And when I talk about protected, a guy like that, and you can talk to anybody that's worth for the Department of Justice or actually high-ranking criminals. I was on Michael Franz Zizzo show a while back. The only way you can get away with that much criminality and not spend a day in jail is if you're working with the government. And that's when Diddy got his big break when he and Clive Davis jumped down the yellow brick road together. You know, it's funny because when I was incarcerated, the whole deep state thing started when I was locked up.

So you started hearing about it, reading articles and it started happening. And I just thought it was the most ridiculous thing. I'd ever heard. That there was this, makes me think of kind of like the Reddington, the blacklist kind of, you know, that the cabal was out there.

And there was this secret organization that was really running things behind the scenes, you know? And I thought that was so ridiculous. And then when Epstein, you know, got, you know, committed suicide, you know,

and then, you know, there are, you know, then when, McAfee when he supposedly himself and you know you start you start at you know and then I would hear things you know then you've always got the the the you know all these people that have died that are related or connected to the Clintons or the bushes or the and I've always rolled my eyes at those what I at the time I thought were just absolute

ridiculous conspiracies and there's still a lot of ridiculous. ridiculous conspiracies out there. But the more you hear about it and the more you look into it and the more you think about it as you, as I watch things unfolding with it in mind now, it seems so much more plausible to me and less ridiculous than it ever was. It's almost to the point where it's like, I'm not seeing where it's not that. I'll give you an example of that. an example.

When Trump entered, and it is really, I think this is important because, or timely, because of course Trump is now president. When Trump became president, he was going to look into the JFK files. He was going to release it. Yeah, I'm going to look at it.

I'll release that. This and that and, you know, UFOs and all these files and everything. Okay. Then he gets in there and suddenly he's like, yeah, No, it's not a good idea. I don't.

It's like, well, what happened? So then it doesn't really say he's out of office for four years. So four years go by, he's out of office. Now he gets back in office. He's saying, I'm releasing them, I'm releasing them, I'm releasing them. What happened? Let's face it, his first day, he had a hell of a first day. He was doing all kinds of insane stuff.

Not insane stuff, but he was doing everything he said he would do. But that didn't happen. Now, I watched an episode of Tucker Carlson. They were talking about Epstein and JFK. And they got to this point where Tucker Carlson was saying, like, Trump had the intentions of releasing all these different things. JFK files everything. And, you know, says to release it.

And so they were saying that at some point, somebody comes to Trump or these people that are making these promises and has to, has to say to them, you can't do that. We can't release that. We're not releasing that. Or if you release it, it's so damning. Or maybe it's not even, hey, it's damning. It's just you can't. Now, under what threat do you convince the president of the United States who really doesn't have a future political career? Right. He's out. He's done. Once he's out of office, he's not coming around. This has nothing else for him to do. There's no other entry point for him into politics. So what is a threat other than threat of violence of some kind that you can make to him for him to say, let's pull back?

You can always show him this, the Bruder film. Once he took a look at that, I think it's very unfortunate that these died with our game released. And Pam Bondi went on television again and said she'd been bamboozled by the FBI. and that she will release all documents that aren't related to national security. Okay, but Cash Patel said he'd release him first day. He's been completely quiet since then. And Cash Patel. And here's the thing.

But what I was focusing on with Bondi is Epstein documents that aren't related to national security. Now, what does child mind have to do with national security? If childmasting and national security are together. Right. Are interwoven. There's a problem. Then we need to clean our government out. That's what I believe.

And I do believe that the Franklin Network, the Epstein Network, and we're definitely tied to intelligence. And I think if we dig deep enough into Epstein and Clive Davis, will also find intelligence or some kind of government entity. Yeah, I mean, the amount of video that should be out there on Diddy and Epstein is, I mean, these guys' houses were wired up, you know, Diddy's entire house was wired up. I mean, I'm very curious to know why his attorney wants to get off the case. And I'm very curious to know, you know, what's happening behind the same. scenes that you can't start releasing documents.

Listen, I'm not saying all of them, but you're telling me that you can't sit down. Somebody at the FBI and the DOJ can't sit down and say, hey, let's look over 10 of these documents today. Let's release 10. Oh, tomorrow, let's take 30 minutes out of the day for the next six months and look over 10 documents a day and release them. How hard is that? That's not difficult.

unless it has something like we can't mention this. We can't mention this because this connects whatever. Some prime minister with, you know, with CP or, you know, allegations or whatever it is. There were, according to the New York Times, there were hundreds, if not thousands of discs taken from Epstein safe in New York. And Business Insight reported that. there were hard drives taken too. The New York Times reported additionally that there were hundreds, if not thousands, of pictures of underage girls.

And we as Americans, I mean, I doubt that our government has followed up with any of those victims. That's going to scar them for life. I don't think the government cares about that. Well, that's what the government should care about. the government should care about all those little girls. And then also the perpetrators. We need the perpetrators to prosecute.

We need the little girls. We need to get them help, whatever kind of help they need. And we also need the perpetrators to be prosecuted in the Epstein case. And when Epstein died, apparently or ostensibly, the Fed said that the case was closed and it's ordered by a lot of major media that the case was closed. So I filed a Freedom of Information Act request

not on the disks, but on reports on the disks. And the FBI told me that the case was ongoing. Right. I made a video about what Bondi said then I get into it and do that, that for it. But about six months later, I did the same thing. And I got the same response that the case was not going.

And that's what we need. You want a list. You talk about a list. We have to find out who's on those discs and who's on those hard rides. That's where our list is. Our list isn't a name of a bunch of perps that are, that are held to the refrigerator by a magnet. The list is the perpetrators are on those discs and hard grabs.

That's where the list is. Yeah, I know I saw Pam Bonnie mention that, you know, she had explained that, you know, there were, you know, victims and these are underage victims and they don't want to, well, first of all, they're not underage victims. anymore. And, you know, that they had to be protected. Well, you can still redact those names. And, and let's say, let's say they track down the women that are the girls that are now women that were on those tapes, you know, to get their information. Then, you know, they don't have to, it's not like they have to release their names. And, and first of all, first of all, it's been, it's been years.

That should have been done. there to say oh well we're even if they were to use that as an excuse right now it's an ongoing investigation we're still trying to track these people down no you're not you haven't been trying to do that it certainly doesn't take you years you guys found louis that luigi guy who shot the CEO in a couple of days you found him you can find these girls you screenshot their photos you put them on just their photos and you put them on a billboard and say hey we're looking for this person you know nobody has to know what it's for, you know, you're going to fight, and not just that you can go to Maxwell, right?

You could go to her and sit down with her and say, we'll shave some time off for you. Because that's what the government does. And those other perpetrators, too, it's like Sarah Kellan and Leslie Groff and Adriana Ross. I mean, said they weren't charged, though, right? What's that? No, they were charged. I mean, the New York Times basically should that they were all guilty. and none of them were charged.

And that is the travesty of this. These names of perpetrators and pimps are out there. The Epstein list is, I think it's laughable. We have the Epstein list. We know who a lot of the perps are. And I'll guarantee you, if you get caught trafficking, the federal charge on that is 15 to life. So you get Sir Akellen and Adriano Ross and Nadia Marsenkova, you charge them with 10 counts of talent travel.

They're looking at 10 lifetimes in prison. They'll talk. Oh, yeah, they're going to talk. It's not going to be a problem. They will talk. And that's how the mafia was dismantled, is the small fry crooks would roll over on the big crooks. And that can be done here. That's exactly what can be done here, and it's not being done.

So with Bondi releasing those documents that were laughable and then coming on and saying that she won't release documents that infringed upon national security, that just, I mean, first of all, she is hemorrhaging credibility when she released those documents. And now she's hemorrhaging credibility by saying that Chama of national security. She's got to explain that to us now. Why are a bunch of child workers important in national security?

I mean, so with that statement, she's hemorrhaging further credibility. What about a I mean, I don't, I mean, I'm just kind of going off here. I don't really know. I do know that I've never had this explained to me, even though

it's been brought up several times, which is where Epstein's vast wealth came from. you know you never really get a good answer on that for that well actually okay less wexner gave geoffrey abstein power of attorney over his billions he was the CEO of albert's Tommy hilt finger Victoria's secret on and on and on and with that power of attorney Epstein could write checks, buy things. That money was essentially his to do with whatever he wanted to.

Now, Les Wexner has come up with Epstein as a co-perpetrator. He's got connections to the mafia. And I think he's just a bad egg. But I initially thought that Epstein was blackmailing you. And I'm kind of reevaluating that. And like Liam Black, the head was the guy who has Apollo hedge fund. He gave Epstein $150 million. Now, he gave Epstein $150 million because he said publicly

that Epstein was going to help him escape paying certain types of taxes. Now, a guy like that has got a floor dedicated to people who are going to help him not pay taxes. So that's really disingenuous. And Vanity Fair, this is a Vanity Fair of the New York Times. I can't remember which one. I got to. They said their rationale that they offered for Les Wexner giving Jeffrey Epstein hour of attorney over his vast fortune was that. he was lonely.

With that kind of money, you don't have to be lonely. I mean, I mean, he was lonely. So that's how disingenuous our mainstream media has been about this. No one in the mainstream media has called for justice for any of these kids. And it really bothers me that the mainstream media doesn't really seem to care about these children. If they did, they would be calling for, justice here and no one's calling for justice in the media. There's a lot of Americans that want to see justice, but our will is being overridden by the Department of Justice and the FBI and

some dark pulling a corner of intelligence, I believe. Do you think at some point that they do release these documents? I understand there's no actual, there's no physical list. There's not a little black book with, you know, 14 pages dedicated to, you know, 42 guys and their phone numbers and information on them or anything like that. But do you think that the government ever does release the file in its entirety, even if it's redacted? Like, I can understand, I can understand redacting certain things where it comes to, obviously, you know, who these, uh, these young girls were and that sort of thing. You want to redact obviously who they were and their age, well, some things, you know, maybe, I don't know if you want, their ages and their, their full names,

any information that, that would lead to people figuring out who they were, but do you think they ever released? Like, I get it, like, you're not going to release a, a tape with, you know, a sex tape of, of the, this, you know, so I'm not suggesting the tapes, but I'm saying, in general, there's got to be, even if you describe, hey, this is a tape of this and this and this going on where clearly this is what's happening, you know, even if they put something like that and released it. Do you think that's something that's coming? Or you think they're just going to keep, they're just going to bury it and bury it and bury it and that's it. Unless it's destroyed. I mean, it could be destroyed now. I don't know. But that's where the

Epstein list is, as I said earlier. The Epstein list is on those discs and it's on those hard drives. And every victim should be redacted for sure. Without a doubt, every, every victim of Epstein at all should be redacted. But the perpetrators shouldn't be redacted. We should know, we already know who a lot of perpetrators are, but they shouldn't be redacted, especially under national security. I mean, if protecting perpetrators is national security, then the country is much worse off than I ever would have thought.

And I think it just might be. when you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting that crime. So the government has covered up sex trafficking, which in essence means that it's aiding and abetting trafficking. That's where our government is at right now, until we can really get some prosecutions, get the names out there, although we know many of the names. It's just a matter of prosecuting them. So all those guys should go down.

I mean, all of them. I don't care how much power they have or how much power they had. And these are conservative numbers by the Centers for Disease Control. 25% of underage girls are molested and 5% of underage boys. And a lot of people think that the 5% of underage boys is way unreported. But if you just go with those numbers, you've got 50 million victims of sexual abuse when they were minors. In this country, there's 50 million of us. I was in views myself, but there's at least 50 million of us. And how would you feel if you were a victim of this?

And here's a proven trafficking case with Jeffrey Epstein that the government is apathetic about. You would think to yourself, what chance do I have of getting justice for what was done to me? And that's what the government is doing that to 50 million Americans. It's making them highly despondent about whether they will ever receive justice or not. I don't believe that that information, those documents or that information has been destroyed. The reason I don't is I think that that would be what a great gift for, Pam Bonnie, you know, and Cash Patel to be able to say, look, we went and grabbed the records and they'd all been erased. They'd been, you know, these guys before I could get here, they, the deep state came in and they covered it all up.

And they, you know, it'd be great. They could, they'd love to be able to blame that on the current on the former administration, you know, and it's like, we wanted to do the right thing, but this is what happened. We're looking into that now and that's going to take some time. But that's why I think it, it definitely, the stuff exists. When we talk about the deep state, Epstein is a manifestation of the deep state. If you say that you're going to protect those, the perpetrators, because of national security, then you are covering up for the deep state. Trump really pledged to go after the deep state.

But if they deny us these documents and redoubt, the names of the perpetrators and really don't help those victims because those victims need a lot of help. There's a lot of victims out there and they need a lot of help. If they deprive us of all of that, then Trump is aiding to pay the deep state. The Trump administration is aiding many of the deep state. So the people in Trump's administration have to think very long and hard about their next move when it comes to documentation. I'm an optimist. I've been in this battle for 23 years. I've been researching and writing about trafficking, especially these

power broker networks, were about 23 years. And I believe that good is going to triumph over evil in this situation. I do believe in that. And I might be wrong.

I might be delusional. But I'm optimistic. When I wrote the Franklin scandal, we couldn't get anybody to do anything with it. And Wikipedia is just on a hatchet job on it and locked that page down. So people, you can go to the talk session on the Franklin misalligations. And it reads noncessically.

And like it's a crazy, crazy idea. And that law enforcement state and federal law enforcement thought it, you know, disclosed that not a single child. Which is, I mean, it's total bull. but that Wikipedia page has been locked out. And the reason why that Wikipedia page has been locked out on a scandal that was primarily in the 1980s is because in my book, I show how the government covered it up. And there was definitely a CIA asset that was part of it, part of the blackmail. It's almost like a carbon copy of Epstein. And that dark, malignant corner of intelligence that I've been telling about, the last thing that it wants American people to know is that it aids and abets chow trap.

That's the last thing. That can wake people up. That can bring the left and the right together. I think at this point, the left and the right are so balkanized that only that particular issue can bring us together. And they're very, and when I say day, I'm talking about that dark malignant corner of intelligence that does this. I think that they're very, very sensitive about this. They want to make sure that this information doesn't come out. If enough people really stand up, we can get justice here.

I started an organization called Epstein Justice. And we've got the website, Epsteinjustice.com. And we're starting a new campaign where we're going to look at, we want a congressional commission. With congressional commissions, it's not like a congressional subcommittee or a committee where things can just get lost. A commission incorporates citizens and investigators that aren't affiliated with the government. We've seen some really bad commissions like the Warren Commission, but that was a presidential commission. That wasn't a congressional commission. And what we need is we need a majority in the House and in the Senate to get that congressional commission to look into Jeffrey Epstein at all.

And I believe that we can get some answers with a congressional commission. We've got to have the right people on it. We've got to have people that really don't want to cover this up. And I know of federal legislators that really don't want to cover it, don't want this covered up. So I believe that a congressional commission is our best shot at getting justice. And as I said, I believe that the left and the right can come together on this. And we can force the government, if the government isn't going to give us what we need, and when we're talking about the names of the perpetrators, we're talking about process.

If the government isn't going to give us that, then the American people have to demand that we get the names. And also we get prosecutions. We have to demand that. Well, how does a commission get formed? A commission gets formed by someone in the Senate and someone in the House proposing a commission. And then if it has a majority of people in the Senate and it has a majority of people in the Senate, and it has a majority of people in the House, a majority of people in the House, then it's put into law and a commission is worn. And that's what we need. We need a majority in the House and we need a majority in the Senate. And the new website is going to have the pictures of every senator and every representative.

And we're going to show which ones are behind the committee and which ones are under side. So we can put a lot of pressure on these individual legislators. and we will show which ones are for the commission and which ones are unwilling to be part of to vote for the commission. And I think that they'll take a tremendous amount of heat from their constituents. Well, have you started that process? Like, are you? We're rolling out the new website in the next couple of days. Okay. So if your listeners, when they hear this, probably it will be a little bit of,

be rolled out. It'll be in the next couple of days. And then you'll, it's, it's kind of exciting. There's, we're working with new people. And we've got this, this website, I think, is going to be a game changer for, for Epstein justice. And getting a congressional commission. What about the book? I spent seven years investigating the perpetrators on that work, as I said, that was like Epstein's. Yes. And that book is called the Franklin Scout. Don't go to the Wikipedia page or go to the talk section of the Wikipedia page and show how draconian quote-unquote editors have taken and subverted that that page from because there's been a lot of people that tried to fix that page and now it's locked down. It's pretty briefs. Well, what about, I mean, where do you buy the book?

Is it like on anywhere where books are sold, you can buy my books. Amazon? You can buy them at Amazon anywhere. And I also co-authored confessions of a DC man in the politics and sex lies blackmail. So I've been swimming in these waters for a very long time. And wherever books are sold, you can get one of those books. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this. Also, we are going to leave the links to Nick Bryant's, all of his social media and to the website, because by the time this comes out, the website will have been out. So you can go. to the website and I appreciate you guys watching thank you very much and I will see you