Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What the Streets Took From Me | Ex-Gang Leader Tells All

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

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I got in the bloods when I was in the sixth grade. I had two kids by the time I was 16 years old. My old, my chief, well, not like the other average gang leaders. I got plenty of them. I got four, five cars, I got houses, and I'm only 16 years old. I'm running front of the gun and get shot in his hand first. That's why I missed this finger. But I don't know here. I don't know my little brother here.

I don't know. I don't know nothing. The only thing I'm trying to do is say my brother, knocked off this finger, knocked out this finger, knocked out this finger. I remember licking old and seeing my little brother on the ground I'm in the hospital bed I just keep asking like, well my brother my brother now I got this house pillar guy on him

so I go to the door and I like look out of the door and like the police officer he owed I talk to the nurses look again Sprite out right snatch the shit off and just went around the heads

if somebody wanted to kill me today I would never see it coming because I've started I've been in a tour with so many different people different cities, different state. I don't know what it's going to cost. So I got to live every day in my life.

Like, damn, where it's going to come from? Tell people this all the time. I was more happy and comfortable, locked up than I was free. Hey, this is Matt Cox. And I feel funny with you being there. All right. Listen, just so for your information, I feel silly doing it.

it okay so don't so don't think boy he's take it natural he's very natural i feel silly okay so i know what i sound like oh okay all right this don't be an asshole the whole time i'm not so what so is that i know how hard how you want to come off hard and i was telling my wife i was like this he don't have a problem because i say you're going to be telling stories and i'm going to be like come on now did you feel bad about that shit he's going to be like matt i always ask that it. Cox, stop it. It's all right.

All right. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with, I'm going to say Travis. That's cool. Is that cool? Okay. Hey, this is Matt Cox and I am here with Travis Luke. He is a former, he is a former gang leader in South Carolina. Man, out of time we did to get on from George.

Damn it. Damn it. Let me try it again. feel like, honestly, like, leaving all the cuts in, like, leave all that. You know, hey, this is Matt Hawks, and I'm here with Travis Luke, and he is a former gang leader from Georgia. He and I were incarcerated in Coleman, I'm going to say Coleman Federal, the Coleman Federal Complex, because I don't want to say low, because that makes it sound like you're soft, and I don't want

to make sense, no, because I know, I know. I know. I don't stop, man. I just, I know yours. This is a big guy. So, anyway, yeah. So we're going to be doing a very serious interview. And I appreciate you. I appreciate you guys watching.

So check this out. Hi. So, Colby then plays some, you know, does it da-da-da-da-na-na-n-n-n-in. And then, you know, it'll, and then he'll cut this about it up. And then it'll play. And then I'll be like, well, you know, I'll do the whole. Well, I appreciate you coming. Okay.

You know, it's crazy though. This is by the most nat. talking to me all that time we did him prison he just usually let me hang out with that i just like a little shadow not true you don't even respond to text messages now i text you three times that i'm like bro i was still trying to figure out i didn't know if i want to break law or do right so i just like if i had break law i don't want to be your friend because you was doing so good you told me where you was going now because you know i can't try to figure the shit out i can't trust cox to tell him i can't tell him nothing's going on yep okay i can't be

hanging out with them because that's not gonna go go they're they come in my door and be like you You know, Travis, he did it. He did it. I don't know exactly what he did. I couldn't convince you that I was a good guy while I was in prison. I had a high mood. Just like, yeah, what are you? Okay.

Why these guys follow you around? Yeah, what's going on? I'm just going in the same narration. Stop telling me you're here for taxi evasion. I was a hacker. I can't say hacker because most of those guys said he was enough of hacker was enough or something else. That was the cover. Or they'd say fraud.

She always irritated me. He's like, fraud. Oh, why would you put? pick fraud. I hated that. I remember the councilor telling me, like, it's like 2,200 people in the compound. This was like 900 of what was said as a film. I was just like, why am I here? It's, it's, it's, it's great, this soft as con. When I'm, I'm a harder, one of the harder motherfuckers on that compound, it's all, this is all right. Well, Matt, you had your demeaning together like how you're walking around the compound. Just like, man, might be

locked up and sending guns or so. No, no, no, what your nickname was? When you was just like, oh, you guys, they have a neat man. I'm going to have a neat man. I wanted to push chainsaw. Chainsaw. Like, so you want me to just, we're going to hang out. I'm just like, this is my buddy to chainsaw. We're not doing that, man.

No, we're not doing change. Who was it that called me chainsaw? But even when he said it was, I think it was Kay would, like, hey. I was just like, I'm not doing. Hey, chainsaw. And it was. You know, the comments now, they say chainsaw. They call me.

Yeah, they call me, change. I've already told that story. I've already told the story that when I got there, I tried to put, when I went from the medium to the low, I said, I tried to push chainsaw. I said, but people were just, they weren't having it. They were like, I was not, you're not a chainsaw. I'm saying, maybe you're not. It was okay for you to get a nickname with, like, chainsaw.

Just don't really give the nickname vibes. Like, so how to join in the midnight. That's not. Bank of America. They, I had, it's dangerous. I mean, like, chainsaw, what the hell do you get chainsaw for? Yeah, and it never stuck. It was too bad.

Everybody had a cool nickname. I'm not saying so Even Kay wouldn't You know he never would Like it took me forever To figure out what his real name was He wouldn't tell me I was like I was like

I don't know K real night But I knew what I knew K was It's like he wasn't this tough guy anymore When he was hanging around With the little Scornin a little white guy With a glass

Who I brought in as my editor James James Manning You're Don't you know they call him into the office Every while I'm starting James And I just like no He's like editing in my books And like no it's no reason

That he's hanging around you're the leader of the gang you got all this work like he's not he did this why are you with him just like he edited in my books and he was like no you got to be doing something no bullshit police officers coming back he was like i asked my people about you like you're really a gang leader i was just like shit i just feel to go get about to go left because he trying to figure out why am i with james it really james really literally editing my books he was my friend right literally thought i was estherting james and he was just like no i'm not distort jane james my friend I think at that time, there was so little going on at Coleman.

They started looking for stuff. Like, yes, now they're doing sweeps and finding 200 cell phones. There was almost no cell phones back then. It was like one or two. Yeah, they find drugs. They've got people dropping off drugs on drones. They got officers bringing it in because all the officers that were there when we were there, they're gone. I was just for to say, they must got a new war because you remember.

They was doing, I just had went on a rick yard too. Somebody was shooting the, um, using the t-shirt gun, and they were shooting the drawers over the fence. They locked us down and just made it walk in the middle and wouldn't let us on the rick yard. You remember the folks told a handball put down and short in the yard. Like, remember the y'all was so big. They short in the yard. Because they couldn't, yeah, they eventually opened it back up though.

But they made it smaller though. You can't go all the way over by the handbag. Because they couldn't watch it, right? Right. Um, people didn't play. Yeah, I was going to say, uh, yeah, all those. So when COVID came through, almost all the officers, they, because they were making too much money, so they forced them, like, to take retirement. Or they were retired because there were so many officers getting COVID because it was so rampant in the prison.

They didn't want to get it. So you're, you know, 90% of them are fat and old. And like, they're like, I don't, I don't want to get COVID. I could die. And these, it's all throughout the prison. So they were taking early retirement. And which was good for the BOP, because if you're making 90,000 a year, you've been there 15 years. you're making 80 grand or 90 grand you retire we go hire somebody for 30 30 the problem is

the most senior officer at coleman low now has like three years experience oh yeah so three years he can't figure out he doesn't know all the tricks man we was that you couldn't even steal a milk out of the cafeteria yeah my god I was trying to steal some apples or something and the dude was like oh you're gonna you're gonna take the lawn more I forgot we would call the little manual lawn more we had a nightmare for him just like you gonna go out there and cut the grass like cut with grass he's like you're gonna cut from here i'm not doing that i'm just i'm just not doing that go ahead and write me up call whoever you're gonna call him not doing it get to the office get out of the sys once again they got this paper oh you're gonna sign this paper and say you're the

gang no i'm not well we're gonna get you off the compound get the airplane helicopter bow i don't care what i'm not in the game i don't care what my paperwork say i'm not in the gang i'm not charged with i'm charged with drugs right i'm not in the game and he was just like literally like trying to meet and he go mord his yacht either sign or say i'm in the game or go mold the grass I was just like, I'm not doing even. It's just not him. They're not doing it. They had, so they didn't have gas lawnmowers.

No way. Flea Sloan, we called the fleece. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not doing that. It was blades. It's funny. So you could have blades on a lawnmower, but you can't have a gas lawnmower. So you had to have to push these lawnmowers to cut the grass.

And they had the inmates who did it. Being in Coleman, you got to think about it. We was in the middle of Florida. The heat was crazy saying. I'm not, I'm not doing it. Call it. Call it all, you want to call them. I'm just not doing it.

We could figure something else out. I'm not used to finish, father. I'm not doing. They used to take them and make knives. They would make knives out. Or they'd break them apart and they can kick them apart and they end up with a night that's long. Slightly twisted, with a slight twist in it.

Okay, so let's go back. Okay. And start, like, at the beginning, like, were you born in Georgia? Yeah, I was born in Alabama, Georgia. You know what I mean? But when I first jumped out of the porch, I was about, well, I feel it's crazy

because my first the first time I got with the police got into it with the police or whatever got caught by the police I was like nine years old and I was with some older guys and we was trying to get into some girl windows right. Police ended up coming in or running

the course. Me being the younger kid I get caught. So it's like my first interaction with the police after that interaction probably two years later I was in the game. Well, so was your mom and dad

I mean, we're, okay, we're, how many, you know, brothers, sisters, so I've got to be your mom and dad together. No, no. My dad is crazy. Like, my dad been in prison, like my whole entire life to the point where I was, I finally got out and I was in a restaurant with some of my other brothers and sisters. And he was just like, because now the guy to think about it, I haven't been in state prison.

I was always in jail. So we, both of us is always in jail at the same time. So he was just asking who I, who I was. He didn't even know who I was. How old were you? I just met him. I just met my father with what just seeing him in person for real when I was about 37. What was he in prison for?

First time when he was three, he went for murder. Right. And then the last time he went for Robin, a bunch of places just doing the hole. So he did a murder bed, got out, reoffended almost immediately, and went back in. Went back in. So I never like, this is the most time now that I spent with being around my father. I'm going to me. But I'm going to tell you, like my mom and my.

I'm like, mind you, I just said I got in the game when I was 11. And the crazy part about it is, I was kind of fortunate to choosing a game because by all being so small, it was just like predominantly Crips and GDE saying, well, there's another local game that was called CME Routers. So the neighborhood called what? CMEE Routers. Okay. CMEY statement of murder, execution.

Okay. I mean, so the neighborhood I grew up in was most predominant CME. So it's like, I didn't want to join and be with them because I didn't want nobody to tell me what they So I just like, okay, I'm just going to chill. So I end up becoming blood. Right. Crazy thing about it. I became part of a renegade set, which would mean that the set wasn't official.

But by the time, within from 11 to probably like age of 16, like, unraised and all types of hell, I'm getting into it. Funny shit, right? I used to. Because I knew I was going to lose the fight. It was just no way for me to lose because the crux of the GDs and the semi-rout was the most predominantly gang in our city. So I was young. I was just drank. I would miss Mad Dog and Paul Mons together

before I go out to the team parties. I was, well, you were what? I was mixing Mad Dog 2020 and Cavacier or Paul Mons or E&J, whatever, you know, whatever I got. I would miss it together so I'd be dropped by the time and get to the party. So if I lost the fight, I won't know to the next day.

Right. Because they was going to jump on me in my way. I was always getting jumped on. Are you going to high school? Are you? Yeah, I was, okay. So by then, I was probably about ninth of course. grade okay so i got in the game when i was in the sixth grade which made me so okay let me back

let me back let me back up let me back up let me back up so i got in the blus when i was in the sixth grade which basically like i said was a renegade said right most of the guys that was over me started going to prison from murder and all types of shit they just started going to prison so that really just left me i turned it to a whole other situation so it's just the game just started growing out of grown out of proportion. But before we get to the grand gang, it was just me. I was like the only blood in my city against other gangs. So in order for me to win the fight or either just psych out, I guess you would say, I just get drunk. Why go out to these team parties? Okay. Where's your brother? Did you have two brothers? One brother? How many brothers do you have?

So I'm going to have four kids at the time. All right. Two brothers and a sister and me. Okay. But my mom and best friend ended up past and then we end up having two more brothers to be added to she took over took over their own start we basically adopted them. Yeah. So that's six kids living and your mom's raising six kids and there's five boys one girl. But we got a we got a close in the family. So when you grow up poor, the best thing, all family that they connected to stay close to these of them. So we all live on this one street called Hickory Lane.

one street and my mom my grandma and my two aunties all stayed on the same street so she if my mom might have a pack of meat my auntie might have some mashed potatoes my other auntie my house some rice and another auntie my house some rice and another auntie might have some microachie we're going to get together we'll put a meal together with a feed everybody right so it was like yeah my mom why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you no matter the size whether you're taking over your parents basement or moving to campus IKEA has hundreds of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era.

It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. A mom was raising six kids, but my aunties were there, too. But it was no male figure. So what that left for me to be at a young age, which pushed me to the streets was I was the older male figure. My grandmother raised me, even though you're just a kid. I was just a kid, you know what I mean? but I'm the older male figure.

Like, I could remember being probably, I had to be still in middle school and I would work at the store in the community. Now, at the time, like, I don't join the game, but I really ain't doing something like selling nilators and shit for money. Like, I'm hustling. Like, I'm hustling. Yeah, that's how the shit started.

Yeah, I see how you smile. That's how the shit started. I started selling a candy. Nine ladies two, four-a-quarter, you know? Everybody liked to put down the flavor. And, like, speaking of that hustle, I used to meet sugar and Kooletan them, craved the thing about it. My grandma used to help me do it.

So I would meet sugar and Kool-Aid together, bag it up, and I would just tell the kid at the school, I would make them run faster. And I would say that it was what? Make it run faster. I would miss sugar and Kool-Aid. He was just making it. Right. But I would meet sugar and Kool-Aid together. Just bag it up, take you to school.

How can. I will have can sugar and Kool-Aid. And I would go up school to sell it in. So we're still here. So what were your brothers? Did your brother join gangs or? That's the crazy thing about that is, right? So my brothers didn't really join the gang until later, to later, later at life.

I single had to live later in life. You're like 13 years old. I was later in life when they were 15. But you remember now, I'm from the hood. So we grow fast. Right. I'm going to tell you, I was a kid at the store. I was working in the store and instead of the man paying me, I would get boxes of sausages and rice and I would take it back to my mom.

Loser bread. You know what I mean? Without a cake, maybe I'll take it back to my mother. So that's how I fed, help feed the family. Like you said, so the young age, I was already becoming a man. So they forced my brothers to grow up fast. But they look under me. Yeah, everybody's got to contribute.

Everybody has to. They got to contribute, you know what I mean? So they're looking at, they're looking under me. But really, I wholeheartedly put my mama, her kids, my auntie, their kids, my other auntie, her kids and my grandmother on my back. And I was like 14 years old, which led me to setting drawers. Like, it started with the gang shit. Like, I was sending nine ladies and all that type of shit.

But they slime to the school called Westover. High School. Mind you, West O High School is like the predominantly school in our communities. They did some reasons I'm on or some shit like that and they end up sending me to West old. So I get out of West O, so I'm like, okay, hmm, probably could sell drugs here. Like, I mean, I'm like in the ninth grade. Like, I probably could sell drugs here. So I, why couldn't you sell drugs at the, I can't believe that's saying this? Well, why, why was it easier to sell drugs there than the, then where you were going before that? Okay. So you know, other guys there are selling her? You know, for the most part, in the, in a, in the, in the,

in the drug, if you dealing with the other side of time was money, they pay more for the drugs. Okay. So that area had drugs. I mean, that other area had more money. They had more money. Okay. And that's what he signed me to high school at.

Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Like between then, it was like, I was trying to figure out what I was going to do. I had it. I was trying to work. I was working at this store. I was doing all this other shit. But by the time I made it to ninth grade, I kind of figured it out.

I was going to sell drugs. Right. So I literally went across the street to the guy that sold drawers. street from him and I stole these drugs and I went to school to sold it you stole it like just like to win their house and stole it they didn't know how did I side most of them I've hid their drawers outside okay and I knew what he hit on me because I stayed directly across street and to them I just was a kid yeah yeah I'm outside driven the basketball yeah like he's probably yeah they're thinking you're don't even paying attention the whole time I'm

so I ain't know it's you know stealing his drugs going to school selling them coming back and spending the money with him to buy more drugs buy boy drools yeah yeah well that's reasonable the bible boy droves so that's what circle of life the circle of life you know what i mean that's what that's what that's that's what all started but what made it so easy for me to make a lot of money sad to say it was my grandmother was just like it's consequences behind it you're asking right so if you go i know you doing this just be able to sell the consequence so my grandmother really never just like don't see a the drawers right it's like fucking like you bring a money in the house it is what it is so well I was gonna say I I I like like I've like I've like I've done a lot of interviews and you talk to somebody like

listen even even even even my wife it's like she's like you know you get to a point where you've got you know you got a drug addiction you got three kids and it's like and even if you had somebody to watch the kids you can't feed those kids working at Walmart no so she's like you know But if you sell drugs, that's your first of that then. You got to think about a minimum wage back then. It was like $3, $3.25 or some shit. And I could say that like my mother, my grandmother, my aunties, like,

none of those people like, use drugs. I can't remember my mom were like drinking none of this shit. We just had poor fun, not your literacy. Like, nobody knew how to make money. Right. It's like, okay, we're going to work out of these restaurant jobs, daycare and shit, really not making money when everybody got four or five kids apiece. Right.

You know what I mean? I'm the old, I'm the oldest male, but I'm living with my grandmother. but my mom will stay a street over or down the street we always stay close to each other right so my grandmother like when she found out she knew i wasn't going to stop that she was out of the question yeah so i used to literally sell drugs all night and then going to school next day but i would sell drugs through the accadish of my window right but by then i had ungraduated selling crack which which we got to think about it and i'm born at 84 at that time it probably it's probably the 89 something like that so i'm like 14 years old you know i mean 14 15 years old when i go when i

started really selling crack it's cracky as everywhere yeah if it was you could just walk outside and just sell yeah they're doing anything to get it and it was crack as everyone yeah it was it was they was everywhere so that's where it clicked drugs is gonna be the way so you start so when you go to high school you start selling at the high school too yeah i was selling i was selling mostly marijuana and coke at the high school, right. They got me out of high school fast. I was out of high school probably, you know, I was, why? I was born, man, let's just say, by the time I made in high school,

I was getting suspended probably out of 30 days because you have to build up the 10 days. They start you with three, then, five, then 70, then 10. By my first semester, every time I was suspended with for 10 days. Like my mother, which my mom, she kind of was always like, he ain't doing it. throw on my grandmother do like oh no this this fuck is he was breaking a lot right so my mama was seen me to school with two dollars mind you now i'm already seven drugs but she just don't my mom don't want to sell that yeah yeah she didn't want to say it he just like i don't it's not happening i'm just like i don't even need these two dollars like a guy they got money but she was

seen me to school with two dollars a dollar to kiss the boss on and a dollar for lunch so if i could if i was lucky other state of lunch i had a dollar eating lunch with but nine times out of 10, I was getting suspended before the door and she just was overcoming to get me for school. It's like put him on the city bus. I'm not coming. Right. If she's not coming to school. So I was getting suspended.

Shit. Every time I made the school, sometimes I didn't even make it past 8 o'clock. I was suspended again for 10 days. So what are you getting suspended for fights? Fights. Okay. All knew with the teachers. I was just, I just did.

And then it got to the point where the principal was just like, he was just out of my ass. So anything I did, it was 10 day. Yeah, they want, they're trying to get charged. You sleep in class, it's 10 days. All right. You're chilling going to get you to a point where you can't even, you can't even keep up with the work and we can just get rid of this guy. Hey, that death is old.

We just got rid of my head. Okay, so when was the first time you got in trouble with the law other than getting caught for sneaking in the girl windows? I was about 11, 12 years old for the time I got in trouble with the law. Okay. No, no, I mean, for the, for being out with the guys sneaking in girls, That was like nine years old. Oh, okay.

So what was 11 for? Well, I was, just fights. Okay. Just getting into fights. When was the first time you got in trouble for dealing drugs? I probably made it. I did a pretty good word. That's interesting.

I had a good run. I had an 18 months. Yeah, I had a good word because I think the first time might have been, they sent me to, how old? I was about 18. I was about 18 years old the first time because I remember. No, I was 17. They sent me off. Because if you were juvenile?

Yeah. When I was a juvenile, no. When I was a juvenile, I got, I had six counts of terrorists three with ass. Then the drawers came in a little late. Why? So, okay. So this how we ended a little letter to me getting arrested for the, the terrorists their ass. So I get into a fight.

I told you, I used to do all this drinking and I would go to the club and I would get into these fights. Right. So I get into a fight with this. these guys, I ain't know, I guess I ain't no winning. They caught through my neighborhood, hanging out of the window with guns and all this shit. But I was, I didn't give a fuck about guns. So I ain't know running down the street, chasing the guys, throwing bricks through their window. My younger brother threw a brick through the window.

They got guns now. They parents were the police on me. Remember I told you I went to a prominent high school. These was the guys that went to high school with me. Okay. They mothers called the police on me and I went to jail for six council terrorist threats. Even though they're driving through your neighborhood shooting or just hanging out, They were shooting.

They were just hanging out of the window. And I never forget it. So my mother, my grandmother, what really made me nutter that nutter is because my daughter was, I had two kids by the time I was 16 years old. My old, my chief and my first daughter when I was 14. She's 24 now. So I had my first daughter when I was fixing.

Lanes are sneaking in the girls' windows. Yeah, I'll start a real, real soon, real soon. arrest on so that what made me add out if they came through the neighborhood with the guns and my daughter was on the street and i was in the sound bad because i was in the house playing a video game right okay i was in the house playing a video game but they came through with the guns and my mom my daughter and my mother my grandmother they were sitting on the porch and that just made me psych out and i ended up getting arrested for six council terrorist threat were eggs so he never went the jail how long did you get um they end up dropping the charges okay i went this lot me up

and my bond was like 30 thousand dollars and so we had to scrape up the money to get well at first they didn't want to give me a bond right because i had on been in so much trouble getting doing this little bullshit when i was a juvenile till when they finally got me as an adult they didn't want to give me a barn so they made me sit and i ain't or they didn't know dropping the charges but we remember had a bun you got like 30 thousand dollar bars and my mom ended up dropping me out drop on he had a drop in the charge for that but right after that I was arrested for the drugs. So if my first, my, my, my first drug arrest,

I'm literally two-housand-down playing talk on gambling. They keep in, I'm watching it like, it's crazy because I'm sitting on watching them pull off. It's like, they feel like, damn, they feel running my house. But they ran in my grandmother's house. They ran my grandma. My old family's in the house. Had you, I had you sold and you been caught on like a control buy or something?

No. or everybody else got caught into that's the house I get it that's where it was an older guy like I was the king of the neighborhood and there was an older guy oh I'll forget his name he sat the drool into my house which once again they was already up to me because of the game shit right I was already raising our type of hell on the damn shit so I was like okay we got opportunity to let's get them for this they run into the house they find some crack thing found crack and thought cracking weed in my grandmother's house so I had like walked down the street they have a whole family on the ground my mom by my mother my her yeah poor grandma yeah whole hot

grandma and it's like oh no no no no no can't say for a grandma because i'm gonna tell you some of my grandma mind you like got to go back room i told you she had on a cell today all right he's selling droll to this what it is what it is yeah so it got to the park my hey hey well forgive me for this she passed in twitter field he can give me for this but my grandma was my business partner so yeah so she was just like so what you say it's for what you said it's for so it got to the part where i i start opening up all the trap houses and since her house So I started it, it already had people coming in. Right.

So she was selling a weed. She was selling a crack. She had cigars and all. So she was like my business boss. So no, poor grandmother, nothing. Some of the crack they got was probably hers. I just took to charge. So when the cops had them all laid out, you walked over and said it.

Yeah, it's my. Oh, I was thinking you're, I'm glad you guys finally got it dropped. She saw crack in this neighborhood. Camper. Grandmother. Grandma, it's about time. I'll tell you. My grandma, man, my son was so crazy.

During this same time, I never forget, like some neighbors. I was gone. I was at the other trail. My grandma had this spot. So the neighbors, they got a tour with my family. My family's big as shit. Like, everybody, you go to Auburn and the Georgia and say Luke family, they're going to know who it is. So my family is the biggest shit.

So I remember this one time, they get a tour with another family. And I get a call, like, and so they can just push your mom over down. It's just the year, what? I fly over that. But by the time I get there now, my family, I wouldn't walk dad. They don't just bust out of the folks, windows, all the type of shit. But I got to get something to this, too, because you don't put some wrong with us. No way.

I'm going to, I got to be able to tell what I did. I did. I run in, running these people house, do all kinds of shit, right? They uncle come back. He's standing in the back yard. He's shooting the gun in there. Oh, okay, he's going to clean. I run in the house.

I get the gun. My mother, she's trying to stop me. She's like, no, no, no, no. My grandma was like, shoot that. fuck you sit there my grandma I'm gonna crammer's a gas straight up

my grandma like move out of his way shoot that fucker so now you know it's just like that's all I needed to hear like it would have fuck the consequences forget what could happen my grandma said shoot

so I'm touching with my mama I ain't no break away from my mom all the reason why I end not being able to shoot the dude it because it was dark in the backyard he was shooting that so just like I'm just shooting a while just shooting in the backyard

but I didn't ever hit him make a long story short, the police calms. You realize this isn't normal parenting advice, right? I just told you, my grandma was my business partner. My grandma was my business father. That was my dog. So

dude, my grandma ended up. My grandma ended up taking charge. Oh, he's serious. What? The further part of my grandmother, like, my grandmother's my auntie or they end up going to, I run immediately. I'm out of here. Because my word on probation and all the type of shit. I run. They don't get my grandma more bullet. So now she's crying.

Well, now she's crying because she don't get a bond. So now I got to go, like, pay the lawyer to get her bun and get out of jail. She came on, she looked me straight in the face, like, I'm not doing that shit again. Like, I'm going to jail. Now, I'm just, just, I'm not too. Somebody's got to take a charge in this side. I'm not going. So I'm like, my grandma, that was my daughter.

So it's not normal parents baby without my, that was my bedroom part. That was my bedroom. My grandma would be like, oh, he's shot such a sudden. I'm going to be like, no, he didn't do that. He was here with me. all right down well i went down she was looking for straight in their face and be like he was here with me knowing i did it so that was my dog um so what happened how did the gang i mean you so you you stirred off you said it was just like you yeah it was well clearly it didn't just

stay you no no that that's something i couldn't have never calculated being in all been of georgia you know i got to think because you got to think about it back then the game was more prevalent in New York, California. Like, it really, it was trickling down to the Southern States, you know what I mean? It really wasn't that big. But we had games, but it really wasn't like it is now. Right. By me

being just really the only person in the beginning, that's how, you know what I mean? By the time you met me in prison, I was over Georgia. I was over the G-Shine bloods in the state of Georgia. But in the beginning, it's just really with me. And the crazy thing about it was we had this

thing called seven five so seven five was the what was the gang no and all been it was crime the execution seeing me then you had me was blood seven was seeing me five what blood stand for so i really like had to like lincoln with them because i i grew up in the neighborhood right i just chose not to get in their game like because they already had a leader right so it's like no i'm not nobody's not telling me what to do i'm not i'm smart than most of these guys i'm not about to tell me what to do i already watch how y'all move i'm not doing that but i got to become affiliated at some point because I'm in the streets right you know what I mean you don't want to be a target now I don't want to be a target and be honest with you

I seen the power in which which you know what I mean I get into I thought I tell you story about the games like I seen the power of having an organization which was the drills for me see I already I could see where we're going to be where it could go with having that type of power so I didn't want to get up on to somebody else local and have them basically did take how I go so like I said I became I became blood when I was in the sixth grade, you know what I mean, my older brother, which was basically my adopted brother, you know what I mean, he was my big homie. So he was my big homing. Hell, oh, some old guys on the name, they were, they were to be home, but some of them started

going to jail and some of them got scared and just deal what we call get back on the porch, which left me, I held by myself. Right. But me, me having good sense is I'm, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't lock in with the crux in the GD. That's just not happening. Bloods is not rocked with Crohn's GD. It's not going to happen. So here comes to see me, which is I was already friends when we grew up in the same neighborhood. We was all from the same neighborhood.

Some of my cousins was even seeing me. So that's where I end up making them like my allies. Like we got the same enemy, which was Chris and the GD. But at the beginning, it was just me. And it just exploded. So to what? When you say exploded, like it is this like, Like guys are coming to you for drugs, you're selling them drugs,

and then you say you really need to be a part of this, a part of my organization, or are they coming directly to you and just saying, hey, I want to be a part of this organization. So my younger brother was just the one guy I killed. I don't know if you remember me telling you should learn about how I lost my matters, which we'll get into a little later.

But my younger brother, he basically did recruit. I won't even say recruit. He was the gatekeeper. He made it okay for people to want to be in our game. Right. me I was always kind of like they would bring me people and I would be like nah he ain't he ain't that

like he don't need to be part of this you know what I mean I was just real I would have been cool with having five and ten people you know what I mean right because I know now if I that five or ten people around me I know what everybody gonna do you know what I'm so you can keep it eye on five or ten

but my brother my younger brother he just was just like the gatekeeping he just were bringing me all these people you know what I mean my other brother which is my brother that I got with me he ended up bringing a lot of people around you know what i mean but i just i just really i was always like nah it's it's some guys right now that leaders that i was just like nah he i don't i don't i can't vouch for that you know what i'm gonna say around age of 16 i'm gonna say around age of 16 that's when it

we got anything with the bloods and all men it kind of exploded and it was by the age of 16 i'm selling plenty of crack i'm selling tons of tons of times of crack i don't like to cook crack which We'll get into, but I'm learning out of the line to cook crack. So my whole area, they're looking at me like, I'm not like the other average game leaders. They just, they don't got no money. They just game. Here come me with the game shit. But I got, I got plenty of money.

I got four or five cars. I got houses and I'm on 16 years old. Right. So it's, so it's lucrative to be a part of that organization as opposed to the other organization. Right. Right. But I can see why you would want people underneath. to you because although they're always trying to kind of get the head guy, you're also

could be insulated. Right. You know what I'm saying? So to a degree. But I also understand why you don't want to be the low man on the totem pole because they're crash test don't. Right. You go do this.

You go to this. They're getting picked off. But the higher you are, the harder it is to get to you. Yep. Of course, the worst it is for you. It's worse to do. Right. I mean, speaking to like, for one, but I was always smart.

So I know we, I know you want me to, you know, we're going to get into out of game thing. But I was always smart. because with me, with my organization, it was all about the money. Like, if you didn't bother us, we didn't bother you. But if you bothered us, we always going to always go to the extra mile because I wanted everybody else to think twice before they come bothered them because you can't get money and go to war at the same time. Right.

It's just not, it's just not possible for the streets. I always push the issue with getting money. There was always my thing, getting the money, getting the money, getting the money, getting the money. So everybody wanted to be a part of my organization because they're always pushed the issue with getting money. make a tear we was getting money. Like I had, like I said, I was probably 16 years old. I probably had like, I said, had a shivering with realm zone, the Delta 8,8 with realm zone. I had two callights. I had a short Bonneville. I just had like, I had a convertible. It was like 16 years old. Right. It would be 16, 17 years old. I had a convertible drop top 1775

Bonaville that I brought from a drawer that had been sending drugs longer than me. So it made it, it made a little lucrative to be a part of my gang. So that's how that's how to recruit me round up. But I went, I would take it about it so they had to go to my, they went to my brothers. Right. Then my brothers were bringing to me like, hey, such, such, say, I want to be poor and I'd be like, yeah, me. Because I just, I just, I wasn't really being on growing a gang.

You know what I mean? Like, it just grew organically. I, I wasn't big on growing. Okay. So, I mean, at what point, like, do you think that you kind of came to the attention of law enforcement or was it like a gang task force or drug task force? where you came to their attention, like, is there a point when, like, you go a couple, a few

years before it, or do they figure out pretty quick, this is an issue, and they start trying to target you in some way? Let's just say, I'm going to tell you when it was started, but I'm the reason, well, my organization is the reason why all been to Georgia even have a game test four. Okay. They literally went, before the game test four had a, the cars, before they had matching outfits, in the that, they came straight to my house, straight to my house, straight among the mother I never forget this shit like my little cousins my one of my little cousins

one of my little cousins and what happened was they come by the house and it's a bunch of little you know out my little cousins and you know they game bands they got these big nice air guns so how old are these kids oh shit I'm I'm they probably created the gang tear force in 2007 2008 in Albany so I'm early 20s they're probably 14th Because I think my little cousin, Bo, Bo just now, he was fit to get out but the Fed picked him up. But Bo was for one, he made a mistake and killed. He was trying to shoot at

somebody else in or shoot and then kill her out of other little cousin. So that was my first time with the gang task force. But Bo, they come in the neighborhood and they got these nice-haired 9-millimeter. I'll get these nice-ass guns from. So we end up taking the guns from them. Right. Like, oh, yeah, they're here. I got this nice ass gun. Like, it's like some new shit. Like, we

all get these guns from. We end up taking the gun. It's 2-9. Never forget it. 2-9 millimeter. We end up taking the guards from and they end up leaving we like we got all the guns off of them but the whole time they got more gun but they where they get them i have no fucking idea i think they stole them or some shit i can't even remember what they get them from i just remember seeing the gun like what the heck y'all get me girl he's some nice head good like these are they just a broken somebody's house or something now because these guys look new yeah they looked very new so i end taking the gun from they end up going like three streets over and we had a good

gun shots. And I just look at them and it's just like, I bet you that's a bowdo. I just knew it was them. I just had that feeling all the time. My cousin was trying to shoot at some more people and shot my other little cousin in the back of the head. Fuck. And you, you know, you, you would think that at that point it had clicked me, it dawned me that I need to do something different. But I just, I couldn't, I couldn't think that far. Because so much shit. Now that I'm thinking about it, it's so up with that incident, it's so much more shit happening after that like shit just got bad like it was like somebody either from my side

or other side started dying like every other week like shit just got just got bad but I guess I don't know I couldn't see it but the gang test for like I said before before they came to gay a tag for it they son them over there never forget this shit on the mid so real quick sorry what happened to your cousin that your boy happened to vote boy ended up getting 16 years

for the accident for accidentally shooting his cousin And he got 16 years in Georgia. So how much time do you do on that? He did all sit for you. He did all see. No good time? No, Bo did out. But you got to think about him.

Bowen in when he was young and Boe was, came a grilling her. Right. Like he was already, you know, cut from a different cloth. Yeah, yeah. So Bo was always tired of him. They might have been said, Bo did this.

You know, I can't say exactly. But they was linking Boone to stuff that were going on in the prison and that, you know what I mean? I'm sad. He's got nothing coming in prison. He lost it because you get a good time. He just lost all his good time. And he got cities back then for violent crimes in the state of Georgia.

It was like 80-something percent. And so just before he gets out, he's about to get out. Fed picks him up for what, though? I think it was either drugs inside of the state prison. Yeah, it might have been scammer falling. It was something. I can't remember exactly what it was. He would do something to call the Fed case for it.

In-Fed. I think he gave him like three years in the Fed. He's feeling come off to see three years. to be a lot though he was like 14 been to get rid of call on and see it pick a book i'm sure what's it what's the custody level oh he flew a whole time no no i mean in in in federal so he's in a pen and they're gonna send it to the pen they're gonna send it to the pen they're gonna send him to the pen i was gonna say he's like i don't know what you i don't know i was gonna say if sorry doing scamming phones and in prison i was thinking if they send him to a low or a medium he's gonna

end up learning he's gonna learn some stuff they're gonna get out and get they get you know a lot of guys that they get incarcerated for something minor and then they go into prison and they get educated on some real things to do and his is violence but if he's doing phones

he might go in I was going to say this is a guy that's already made his something he's made his mind up and he might go to a lower security

prison because we're up a 15 years I think the fifth on usual charges against him he got his charge when he was a kid so I don't know

he may go to a camp or love he may end up at a camp although because the country to think about it because he don't have done his state time after that much time in prison like you're not getting out just getting a job at Walmart no no but I'm sorry I just I was just curious so so what so he goes he got he he he he's gone um yeah and he sure he'll get out

there'll be some barbecues but that sounds like a that story's written um so what what happened so after that you said the drug task for the task force they came to you to say so When they come to the head body, they know they look for my little cousins. Oh, they look for my little cousin because at the time, he read. Okay. So when they come around, I never forget this shit. My baby, my, my, my baby and mama stayed right by my grandmother's house. I'm going to tell you about my brother's partner.

So, right. Gang Taffo, he really go to my grandmother's house automatically. I look out the window and I see like six police cars pull up, and there's two policemen in each car. This is my first interaction with the guy ain't tass for. They jump out and they're all standing in a shirt. circle where they battee, they got assault rifle, like, some middle. I'd never seen this shit before. Like, I'm used to just the police pulling up and getting out.

Like, they get out, like, marching. Right. Spread, hair, spread. She don't just, like, looking at the window, like, what the fuck is calling on here? What, Grandma do? Yeah. I'm not coming outside. I don't know what's growing up to die.

I'm not coming outside. And then I get, thing about, I think I had, the mom I told we took the guns. Right. So I'm already convicted of saying, like, I got the gun. Right. I'm not, I'm definitely not coming outside. That shit is over with. And that's when we figured out.

that boy we had already knew it had to be something with them but that was my first interaction with the gang task for but when i was in the sixth grade officer i forget his name he just retired the tip his the kiki they had this book and they were everybody they immediately knew a guy he was and they made you put your name in the book they wrote your name down the book so that was when i first my first interaction with the police as far as the gang situation I mean, but at a time, the only thing they knew, I think I was seeing me.

I think I was a rabble because that was my neighbor was a little, but I was a blood. So at what point did they decide that you were going to be an issue? You were in an organization, you were running, you were upper management, let's say, upper, let's say, you were upper management and that they were going, that they were planning on there. They would have liked to have taken you down as quickly as possible.

I don't know how 14. Fort when I was about 14. Yeah, but you're still, but by this point, you're 17, 18, you're in this, in your story, you're still 17, 18 years old. I mean, you're now kind of putting together things. But I remember, all men in Georgia is a small town. Right.

Now, it's probably 80,000 people though. And I'm already, I'm already on the worst side of time from the south side. A lot of Minnesota, you know what I'm from the worst side of the time. It's poverty every fucking way. Right. Well, by then, man, I'm already, I'm, I'm, shit. I'm breaking all kind of a lot. I'm getting malice of trouble by then.

But I think that What, what Got them just on my bat Is when they figured out I was in blood They just knew I was in a gang They thought it was seeing me He thought it was around with one of the game When they click and they thought

Okay, blood That's when a problem with it So you think it's a problem because like there's Because these are now there's There's two gangs that are at each other That that's going to cause Whatever shootings That's going to cause friction

Like if there's one gang They're saying what it's not that of a deal but now that there's two that's going to cause problems see is that what it is so i don't understand they already knew that the bloods would be the enemy of the crypts and the gd right see what i'm saying but so before then it was just the c m urivels and it was the blood you know semi-riders and it was the gds and the cribs bloods really had no name in the city nobody was worried about the blood nobody even thought about the blood when the bloods when the bloods when they first caught on to what was going on with the bloods it was just me right they just they they they locked straight in on

but he just he was sore but now there's a bunch more guys like now when it gets to a point where there's 20 30 40 50 oh yeah okay that's what I'm saying like in what point do they are they coming around are they they they do you know they're targeting people like okay okay I get I get the question now probably about not 17 18 they start really targeting us okay because I think 08 08 is when the guy in 10 force itself is And they were they first talk in L8, right, Sam, 08, something like that. Well, I'll be the first Saturday for the game.

What's assholes? So what are they doing? Are they, just because, I mean, I've written other stories and I interviewed a bunch of guys and, and I was going to say, like, I know, you know, from talking with them, actually, and from talking with law enforcement, like, they'll go in and they'll start, even then they know, they know the structure because they've already grabbed somebody. I already know a stroke, all the stress. So then they'll start grab, like, the low man on the total.

hole and try and get them to start flipping so they can start building a casing and move up the chain of command to get to the main guys. So, I mean, is that something that you saw happening? Like, hey, these three guys got busted or these guys got busted. Then these four guys got busts. Like, do you know that's happening? Do you realize that are you conscious that this is what's going on or you're not even paying attention to it? I think, see, the way they, the way they attacked those, it was more militant. I was just just ran straight. Basically, there's their run straight into them right you know what i mean but as far as like guys start going to jail and started getting picked out that was like late on like we had beside me getting locked up hand off with

drugs we had a good we had a good run before they before he was able to start locking something was up outside of what happened with my little cousin bowl and the guys that was so called over me before they when they when the guy ain't thing for a start when i told you so my older brother he ended up getting like 30 years from murder under me they're him being two other guys they They wanted this for shit, he, you know, again, like 30 years from her. So, early on, it basically was just, I'm going to say, 18, about 18, 19, you know, though, when they just really started picking us off. I was going to start getting drug cases, but for the gang shit, they ain't started catching us late.

Is there, like, tension, you know, between, you know, your, your gang, and, you know, and the Crips at that point. Yeah, it was, what is it, what is, is it just for territory? Is it, I can't see. Probably just out of border. Because it really, it really, yeah, for real, because it really wasn't, like I just the, the territory, go, you only need territory. We really just make it money right now.

Right. You know what I mean? So really, no, no, they wasn't really making no money. He just was really out of border. You crept on blood. I don't like you. Fuck you. I see you.

You kill me. I kid you. We fight. whatever the case may be it really that shit really out of board and honestly i don't think i know i ain't don't think because i'll live this shit we knew the logistic of being in the game like we didn't know got to think about it this shit tricker down or trickle or trickle from cal and trickle from new yorker so the purpose of the game that shit got all the way didn't misconstrued by the time it got to look we we did we did we was giving the knowledge we was giving all the shit that you needed to run the game

but we really didn't know what the hell we were doing it's still on that's why there's so much killing going on now because you know the first rule of being the blood is when I allow your communities to be oppressed but what the fuck are we doing right you know what I mean so it's so we didn't we didn't we didn't we didn't know what the fuck we still don't know so what was the first time he went to jail as an adult yeah 17 for what was that for 10 risk of threats oh yeah yeah okay but they dropped their charge of it dropping and I like probably a few months later that's when they raided my grandmother's house okay for Two months later, they raided my grandma house, found the crack and found the weed.

Right. I ended up getting locked up, getting the bond. Then they ended up shipping. I went to this shit called the Tentja Center. They sent me like four counties over to the shit called the Tijuana for 120 to 180 days. In Atlanta? No, it was like, motry, mulchial jar, just a country, deep in the country. Worst time I ever done.

No bullshit. They were the word. I hated it. They could have sent me in a world. I hated it to detention. I had a 120 to 1-8 and I ended like doing like an extra 30 days there for bullshit. One hundred one, one, one, two, a hundred and a day, you know what I mean? Because that would do with my first drawcase.

Right. I mean, the first, the cherry was, I ended up again, they end up dropping that. So my first draw at case was, like, they ran on my grandma. I found, like, a couple grounds of crack. It's a weed, you know what I mean? Because they, they were in the wrong spot. My grandma, yeah, that shit was over with. I had them started moving around.

Um, I just said, have you ever, uh, you've heard of a union? Union City. Yeah. So I was in Union City jail for like six months. It was horrible. It was fucking horrible. Nobody was a little tiny town jail. Maybe the worst jails. Yeah. Maybe the worst jails. I'm like, well, this was like more of a, you should have been in prison. But since this show, first offense, we're going to see you right here. And that's what they're something to see this shit called most of the, I think it was mostly to tell. The staff was fucked up. It was these, these job, man. It was just, it was the worst time ever. I was. I was. I was the worst time ever. Out of all the Fed Times, State Prison, Level 3s, level 3s, level 5, all the rest of all the other day was right because they knew that you had, you had that 1-20-1-80, so we got 60 days to play with it. And every time you do something, we're going to take 7 days. We're going to take 14 days, so they need pick. They bother, you know what I mean?

So that was just like the first time I got out from that. And like you just said something, and not that I think about it, you go in and you basically learn how to be a better criminal. Or you did choose to do right. I was just hanging back out. I'm like, I'm going to see. I'm going to drools. Right.

Listen, I know guys that have gone in there and just got a whole new slew of contacts. Yeah. It's like they had like two, they had two sources. They came out. And it's like, I got a source that his source is this guy who has another source, who has another source, who has another source who has another source, who ends up dealing with the cartel. And I went to prison. And now, guess what? I got three guys that are in the cartel I can buy from.

So I just ended up with two or three different sources that. are at half the price at twice the quantity and and and and a hundred percent purity like direct like you just you just you just turned me from a low a guy that was never really going to be able to make more than 10 or 20 bucks per sale to a guy who's making two hundred dollars three hundred dollars per sale yeah that just is just like you just turn me into a distributor right because you know if if i don't make it out of the medium high down to the low i can i'm on guarantee i would have flooded the city were way more drawers than I ever did before because I still had the draw

a deal of mindset and at the medium high and the highs that's where all the keypins that's where all the Mexican cartel draw like I met a guy he was like I got called for 22 hundred key and I was just like he said it's so cashman so now I'm interested in seeing what's going on and he was like yeah we was bringing it over here on the boats and submarines

and all this shit so I got a contact yeah you know what I mean like my he did I can say a man like he passed his Mexican guy in Bowler he's like oh my auntie controls the border between this spot and this spot, I was just like, damn, okay, so how much you get in it for? You know what I mean? So if I don't

never go to the low security prison and I stay in the high, it's almost a guarantee because I'm still around the same type of people that, you know what I mean, doing the same shit that I was doing versus when I got to the low and I met all the white collar crimps start learning real estate and all this other shit, but if I'd have stayed in the medium, I would have definitely sold more drug because

I was the shot calling for the bloods and kind of sort of for Georgia when I was at Teledylton. So I was always connected to the other shock halls on the compound. And who were the other shot calls? Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and people, the top crew up, the top GD on the compound. And most of them people just would have been in better contact. I got rid of our contact, by the way.

And that's funny. Yeah, I was going to say the guys, I was locked at. I went to Atlanta City Detention Center. There were guys there that, well, there were there. Coleman that were from the cartel. Yeah. But there was a, God, I'm going to say his name is Lugo or Luke, Loco, or anyway, I can't for the guy, the low, but I was going to say, there was a guy they called it this, the

Mexican Tony Soprano that was at the AC, this was at ACV. Oh, okay, okay. And I mean, he, and his Selly was a guy, like his Selly, he had been Sully, was a guy for two weeks, three weeks. And listen, this guy, he had no, he didn't have a care in the world. The Mexican, if you did, like, literally, he just got like a 30 piece. Yeah. I haven't sent him to prison yet.

He's getting regular visits. And you're like, well, this guy, do you not have a care of the world? He's watching TV. He's getting commissary. People are making stuff. And one day his cellie's like talking about how his, his baby's mama's car broke down. And he goes, well, what's the problem? And he's like, well, I mean, she needs, oh, no, she just, she needs a new car, this and that.

And he goes, give me her address. He goes, what? He said, give me your address. I'll say, am I got a friend that knows a guy that knows a car lot? I'll try and get her a car. And he's like, gives her the address. He said, I don't know if it was the next day or a couple hours later. Somebody shows up with like an ACERA that was like two years old.

It was basically almost a brand new act. Showed up. It was like, here it is. Sign here. And when he called her, she was like, I don't know what just happened. This guy just showed up. We signed over a car. He said, well, how much is it?

And she's like, no, no, he said it's my car. He gave me the car. Goes to the guy and he's like, yeah, you said she needed it, right? I mean, this guy had, and you know what I found out what he was doing through another guy. They were paying guys in Mexico to fly over drugs. And then he was telling the DEA, at this small area right here, somebody's going to arrive with 600 pounds of wheat. And he was And so he's chipping away at his 30-year sentence

While sitting in the Oh yeah And they call the ACDC In ACDC So he's chipping away at his sentence And he's And he's already been locked up Fighting his case for five or ten years

To get the 30 And now he's chipping away But he's paying the Mexican guys in Mexico Like look We're going to give you You're going to get caught with 600 pounds Okay You're going to get five years

I'm going to give you a lawyer you're going to get five years your family is going to get this much money and they'll take care of you while you're in prison you'll get out you'll be deported and get five years you're going to do right three because we're going to put you into the Ardell program you're going to be okay

but I'm going to get that will get me like 10 years knocked off my sentence and then as soon as they do that boom I'll get another two guys come and say look this guy's got this much and for whatever a hundred thousand dollars a guy in Mexico he'll do it he'll be like oh five years

in a federal prison that's like a that's like going to to like you know summer camp right so i'll do that right and so that's what he was doing it was listen that now once i heard that i was like no wonder he so no one and he's got tons of there was a guy in coleman that was in mexico he did like three years in mexico and then did i forget he got he had like five or ten years in the and in the said and the whole time he had been locking up he was arranging shipments to come over the border he's still doing it. He said, listen, he had, remember the big, the big photo albums, the big one? Yeah, the big ones. Like, they didn't sell them one. When we were there, they didn't sell the big ones. And I sold the little ones. So these are hand-me-downs, right? Right. He had like two of the big ones

and filled with photos of him in a Mexican prison with his wife's going to see him. They're drinking Corona. He's got prostitutes coming. And they're, he's got prostitutes coming. And they would come and stay for four or five days. Like you could come for five days and then my wife comes for five days that I can't have a visit for that's a visit. Ten days you staying with me for ten days in prison and then I can't have a visit for like five days or something. So I mean he was in sync.

And then he actually showed pictures of the inside of his cell. And almost all the cells had these. They were like Oriental ruts. Well, they were like Afghani rugs or Oriental rugs. And he said the reason he had them, he said, oh, I put all those in. because they were wrapping the drug shipments in the rugs and having them shift. Using them as ship.

So, you know, I got tons of these things. I'm giving them away. Yeah. So we said, hey, bring in some of the rugs here. We want rugs with this concrete tiles cut up. Like, he had the whole, he had his whole cell redone. And at one point, there were bunk beds in his cell. Some of the pictures had bunk beds.

And then suddenly one of the bunk beds was gone, the top bunk bed. And I said, what happened to the top bunk bed? What happened to the top bunk bed? Because he had a one-man cell, right, but it had two bunk beds. And they were in concrete. He said, I had to have that taken out. He said it was, he could just speak great English. It was interrupting or it was interfering.

Like, Pete knows it. Pete would translate. He'd go interfering. He was interfering. He was interfering with my fucking. Like, you know, that thing's coming out and I'm fucking. But you're, stop. Do you know how fast you were going?

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August 1st. This thing's coming out of the wall. Right. And, you know, so it's like, I told him, you got to get rid of this thing. So the guards had it taken out. But it's, it's insane. The cartel had a whole wing of the prison. Yeah.

Every day. They had catered meals. It was insane. This guy was in there. Hilarious. I mean, tragic, of course. But it was just like, like, you go to prison and you, I always say that. Like, I feel like I went into prison with a GED and fraud.

And when I got out, I had like a master's humor. Like if I wanted to do something now. Oh, yeah, without more dangerous. Yeah, without that way more dangerous. That's the same thing with guys I meet. Way more on that. Where you talk to them and they're like, well, where's you? So where did you get this contact?

And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I was dealing with these guys. But then I went to prison for midday six months or a year and I got this guy. And now I was getting it directly from the cartels. Like, yeah, especially when you go to federal prison. You get to, like, the old mediums at highest. You were into all types of some people. Especially then, because people watch a character.

They look at you in prison. Look, it's how you move. And they're just approaching, say, they just get befrizzing you and start telling the story because they already be having a plan. They think of the same thing we think. Yeah. They think of the same thing. We think, we're looking for a plug, and they're looking for somebody to give it to.

Right. Because they got endless amounts of drills. Yeah. So, like, okay, he's like a good good guy. Let me lock in with him. Yeah, it's a mutual relationship. It's not like, like, they need people here and they need U.S. people. Like, they can ship, they can send over 50 Mexicans, but they'll eventually get picked up.

Like, they need an American that has a distribution network. That's it. That guy's worth his weight in gold. That's it. And I'm telling you, if I never get down to the low, I would have been that guy. Because it's all I knew. You know what I mean? I had been introduced into learning real estate and stop marketing all this other shit.

All I knew was a set of drugs. I didn't have been doing this as I was a kid. So I learned it was a drug. If I'd never make it down to, I was just definitely, definitely would have been selling way more drawers than I was sold. I mean, versus me getting locked up by the fifth for five to ten keys of cocaine. Conspiracy, it would have been 100 to 150 the next.

So what was the next thing? What happened? You know, you were, you had this network, the gang. You're getting more and more members. You're making money. Like, what was? the next like whether there are any obstacles things that came on um arrests yeah so uh we're gonna get we're gonna get into the me there right so when you first will you first made me i mean

i mean what you asked me like what happened with my fingers you know what i mean so by now my little brother my younger brother but one same one i told you there was a gatekeeper that was bringing everybody in right the case may be how old were you at this point my other brother got killed because I got pitted about a fed right out of the soul. My other brother got killed. He was 24. I had to be around 27. 27. 20, what, you're 26, 27 and that whole time, you'd never got a rat. You didn't sit. Go do any prison time? Yeah, well, I went to prison twice. Well, I went to the two since and I was the state prison. But I was for the talk about my brother. But, okay, yeah, tell me about the state prison. Okay, cool. So I was 23, I believe, when I went to state prison. I would a state prison for. I was

state prison for one i told they raided my grandmother house and got the drool no no no do you know how sad it is that you don't know what the different i was that because i've been i've been a lot of so but man so i went to state prison in oh eight right in oh eight i went to state prison then my first time really going being in the state prison when i went to state prison oh yeah i went to state prison because too this is fun of the story i went to my baby mama out to get some drills right but i got two girls in the car with me and I got my brother in the call with me. So, I don't have a license.

Yeah, we got two girls. Yeah, I go to a... I feel like that's a bad. That's just a bad... I was saying I'd just send a shit. I've seen the people. I've seen the draw unit, but I ain't thinking they were for me because I was in a runner car. Right. So I'm not thinking there to draw units following me whole time. They focus on. Follow me all day long

and are more calls. Are you just feeling like invincible at this point? Yeah, is that what? Definitely was feeling invincible. Definitely with feeling invincible Because you got to think about it By the time I make it 08 By the time I right following the state prison By 9, I'm a household name

Right The police don't even approach me the same anymore I got I got they don't even They ask permission to even approach me Police is approaching me differently I'm doing whatever I want to do Guarded I'm not paying to get in clubs I'm not waiting in lines by now

I don't make any visible I'm a household name And I'll be in Georgia I'm Travis Loop now So I go to my baby mom my house I get to rules I'm going to go serve a guy who will save me up at a time I say, you're going to laugh

and see this man with sleeve balls flea ball? There's not a problem with him he sounds like a solid guy as I'm going to deal with these guys in prison they like can't do right right, right? It's like, well, I can't get right about that type of shit. So I'll go up and I want to go get some drugs

for my baby mom of my house to go serve a sleep ball. But I'm saying like, I'm saying any little armwile calls but I'm like man it can't be for me because I'm in run a car I'm not in my normal vehicle yeah they'll never figure this yeah this shit can't be for me it's for me the whole time no it's for me to host and I could have got with slippery bastards man I could have got rid of drool so many the time was like I'm kind of like damn if they follow me so I'm making certain

turns I could have threw drawers out of window at any point of time but I'm just like nah this can't be for me boom not when I realized for me I come up with a plan I don't say nothing to nobody in the car. My brother's in the past seat. You've got the two girls in the backseat. I never say nothing to nobody. My brother, nobody. So by now, like, damn, they default really will follow me.

They on me. So I make a turn on the street. The street called Macawp. If you go down to Macawp, it's a quick turn. So, like, it's a long street. Then it's like, boom, boom. So I'm like, okay, if I could lose her right here and get rid of the drug, so I'd be all right. So as soon as I turn on this street called Macop, I hit the gas.

Now, the girls in the car, everybody's looking like, what, what, what's going on? I get a little lead We're on the drill unit Make my two turn I get out of the car Tell my brother to get in the driver's side And try to drive up But by now

By the time he can get over to the driver's seat They don't swim in the car But I don't throw the drawers Up on the par car And got in the car with sleeve off We'll see how man He doesn't have any drugs on him So I'm sitting in the bad seat

I'm thinking straight like shit I don't got the drawers off of me Like what will go from here They get my brother out of car to get the girls out of the cough they come and give me sleeve ball and know the guy to get all those out of the car so i'm just sitting out on the grinding handcuffs i'm thinking on straight well i'm not the sleeve while we got no handcuffs on he's just standing it pretty cozy so this what he's on he telling the police what they're all say hey they right they right though

are you think they put just just for appearances they put the cuffs on him this this this this story is bad so boom they let him he get the droves they end up locking me up he ended up

getting out on bond while I'm old bun go right back to sell the droves I'm not stopping right back to sell the droves so me and one of my other little powder weave

we had a car together I think it was just me and him I'm going to go serious so I've not known he's trying to set me up to but I only got like I got a small amount of droid on me. There ain't a lot.

I didn't know what. Cuncray the thing about it. I don't want to give him something. I don't even want to serve. I'll just shoot it. Just give him something. He can fuck belt, so I'll just give me some. He ended up pulling up in his spot. Police end up getting behind us. I ain't know jumping out trying to, I ate some of the drills. Okay. What?

We're going to try to get rid of the drool? Yeah. Am I around bond? Am I around ball for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the for the first group of charge. And my first group of charge is crazy because they charged me with a tint to sell all cocaine well we didn't intend to sell cocaine wouldn't intend to sell wheat but the problem was by a school I was by a project so they added on yeah enhancements oh man had like had like eight and nine charges for one when we get pull up at this spot they end up in a swarm I ain't know eating the droves this just get bad

so I they got to take me to the hospital right so I'm saying in the hospital they're trying to make me drink this stuff. I never forget it. I don't know what it was. They're trying to make me drink it. They don't have me hooked up in the net. I'm just sitting in the bed and I got all these little monitors and shit on me. They're trying to make me drink this stuff. So I ain't don't drink it. So I'm sitting there. I realize like, I don't have him in the handcuffs on. I'm just sitting here. So now I got this house pill a guy on him. So I go to the door. I like look out the door and like the police officer. He ordered to talk to the nurses. I realize they're watching me through the, oh. Yeah, no, sorry. If you pull them off, though.

Big peep. Right. Huh. You know what I do. Peep again. It's like, it's no way these people trying me like this. It's got to be these people. It's not trying me like this.

Look again. Strike out running. It's like, don't bullshit. How old ass out of the hospital? Snash the shit off and just went around the head. So I'm outside in this park where the fucking hospital was trying on with no drawls on, no side. So I just got on the hospital again. I'm out in the place cold as shit, too.

It's cold as in. else. I don't have a phone. I can't call anybody but think about it. Damn, I got an ex-girlfriend that live close by. I don't have any clothes. So now I got to figure out how the fuck I'm going from point A to point B for what I find out, which is probably shit, 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes. On feet? Oh, on feet. Yeah, because I can't call. I don't got nobody to call. And who, who am I run up on? You don't have a cell phone in. Right. And who am I run up on with a house with a guy on them to them to use their phone? Right. So now I'm just, I'm running out of ad list jumping fences I'm just I'm just going all kinds of ways to try to get to

this girl house so I malle made a father to make it to the house when I had to get in the phone call to the moment to the moment when she was like turning herself in like talking about something I turn myself in that is that is not happening forget about me turning I'm not turning myself in my grandmother ended up coming to get me and I end up being on the run for the police for like for the longest like they was looking for me for the longest meanwhile Real quick, did you drink the stuff? Yeah, I drank the stuff. What does that do?

Make you throw up? It makes it through up. By this point, have you throw it up? No. Okay. I throw up while I'm running. I skewed it for it. I'm doing all throwing up.

And the part is a Tilt part. That's the name of the crazy. My name is like the police station is like right in the area. Right. Like two turns, we had a police station. Two turns we had a police station. So I end up getting, getting with, getting one of my, mom to create funny shit though my grandma was like watching me every day like i'm like you want

smoke crack why would you think i'm not smoking any crack what you why would you think that because i was half like two weeks oh because you oh yeah yeah yeah because i ate the crack right so i was like half a two week but anyway i'm on the run and i'm still i'm still seven droid like it over there y'all catch me y'all catch me how we do what i'm running from they the high speed chasing they end up the same baby on my house i just told you about that i went to go get a drawer so out of right me being me thinking i'm invincible they came for me i still got drawers in the house so i'm leaving the house they get behind me again by some more the shit i could ever did when they get when they when the drawer unit get behind me from leaving my baby mama house i take them

in a circle jump out the car and right back to my baby mom's out right but i ain't no flushing probably like 14 ounces of crap i ain't no flushing like a bunch of cocaine and the crazy this this the war shit sorry what happened is sleaze ball freaking druffter now I said sleep ball ain't a getting in a motorcycle accident and messing his leg up bad like a lid was dead or some weird shit like he's on okay crutches or some shit like and I don't know what sleeve ball is it today yeah I don't I don't know sleep all that to the day

I don't know I don't know it yet so all right so you were saying you went back you plush the stuff yep sorry so I'll fleshing out of the cocaine out of the weed I'm trying to flush everything. The fucking toilet stops up. Because I'm panicking and I'm flushing there. I'm flushing the shit. Everything's stealing plaster bag.

I'm not my diamond. They started taking out of the plastic bath. I'm just like an ounce of cocaine out of the ounce of cocaine and crack out of the crap just trying to flush the down toilet to get rid of. Well, the police, they never come in the house. They never come down. I don't flush so much drawers and flooded the house so bad that the water coming through the ceiling. You know who I had a car, right?

My business park. fuck she come over she'd take a hanger she'd get a hangar it all back out dry it out resell it it's all going by that night say it with all we can say yeah we're back into it back at but i end up getting caught and going that was my first i end up getting caught by then they end on i'm going to state prison that was my first time i going to state they gave me my first time on state prid they gave me a 10 do five no 20 do five that 20 do five how does that work you're you're percentage of 20 you only have to do a five inside then you're on paper for 15 that's no before we started any of you i'll tell you i don't get out i want to get out probation i don't get out of probation

i don't get out of probation to 43 or some shit so life right i got released for federal prison i got released to state probation and federal probation so i got two separate probation i got two separate probation also like i feel like they don't trust you i don't feel like they think you're going to do the right thing you know what's fun is later on we'll give them to the Now you know that I do a lot of work with the kids and you trying to keep him out of the game. Yes. The chief of police literally told me that he said, we don't trust you. Oh, the agents that don't trust you.

That's why they won't work with me. In Ardap, they would say that he's holding resentment. That ain't. Holding resentment. Man, listen, you're not willing. You're not willing to trust. You're not. I hate it, Ardell.

I'm going to trust. I know. So you was on you. Can manipulate them. But you're really, you wouldn't have had a good time. What in that place? I turned that shit down twice. Like, every time they call him, you know, like, you're ready to tell her that?

No, I'm going to take it in another spot. There's no way I could take. When I knew I couldn't take Ardoubt, it's when, oh, I think a guy got pulled a dog. He got rolled back because he came outside with his slides on. Yeah. Instead of his own, you can't do. What are you thinking? You can't do that.

I was like, you're raised you back? Like, you're not going home? Oh, fuck. I'm not taking, I don't know. I know, I know for the fact. You were brushing your teeth and you didn't shut off the water? you left the water running oh no no tell what i i knew for a fad did i knew for a fact man just kind of stopped being my friend we went in order to listen i had i think i had to pick my back

what's like i got enough from my problem i'm like what's so man i can't talk i can't tell me right that you're me what's up i can't talk me right now nice you walk around scared all the time it's like you're it may be everywhere oh yeah listen you be i you did you did it right when it i needed another prison. I was the man. I taught classes. I was the man. It was perfect. I had a cell phone. I was sitting droll. It was just perfect. The other club was perfect. I could have never pulled off a cold. Remember the morning meeting when everybody's facing you to the right? Like guys would, guys are so scared there that guys are like, somebody would say something. And they start to talk to you. And guys would be like,

I mean, it was like, they're terrified. The buddy system, you got to go out. They got to go out. What did that thing with the buddy system? They want to go outside. I don't know how to go outside. No, what was, what was that? Let me see. Every program's a little bit different, you know what I was called? I was an age, I loved it. I listened.

I couldn't never die, never finish Coleman. Never. Yeah, and never. Somebody told, well, somebody, Zach was telling, basically telling me, like, art app, like, in the, in, like, the pens and stuff. Like, you know, the whole pulling someone out. Yeah, yeah. Like, they do pull-ups, but it's, it's completely fake.

It works together. Absolutely, work your trade. You know, I started, I started saying it or turn a blind eye, get a black eye. Yeah, so just don't tell. I'm like, we're going to get, we know we need two pull-ups. We're going to put them to pull up together. Right. We're going to give you your feedback.

We're going to tell them you're going to read a book and you write a book report. If you just go and tell, you're going to get a black eye. So turn a blind eye or get a black eye. Because you know what they say, you know, you get pulled up. If you're somebody doing something, you don't pull them up. So he was like, turn blind eye, get a black eye. you're um oh what do you do you're off i forget what they um what is it when you i can't oh you forgot your favorite program you forgot what that's that's correct i wrote a book about it

i'm gonna give you the book if i call it the program you wrote a book about it's insanity yeah because it was like a whole another community it was like a prison inside of a prison oh man come on it's when you're um it's when you're uh um oh ask me uh come on oh she're when you're you're you're you're helping someone. You're actually... You're enabling. Thank you. Yeah, you're enabling someone.

Yeah, you would always know the orchestrated ones where somebody pulls somebody up. I noticed that your uniform isn't ironed today. Or that you need a haircut or you haven't been shaving regularly. You're not taking it. And then they would have something. And everybody's like, come on, now, you say it. You remember when they used to me? And then this cold.

They do this air fit. This one of the reason why I knew for a fact I won't make any cold. When they listen to your phone call and he was talking to more than a woman. Yeah. And they'll make you call, they'll make you call to be like, tell the other woman, okay, I tell the biggest woman like, what? No. Yeah. Call up. So they had a guy one time. There was two things that. One, guys talking to two girls working both of them, right? So they made him pick which one and call the other girl and tell her. I've been talking to this other girl, this other woman. And I've been telling her this and this. And I wanted to come clean and tell you the truth. And then calls the other girls, says, look, I've been talking to her. And I'm going to be with her when I get out. out and basically kick the other one in the curb another time was a guy was he was about the got his time off like he's literally he's about to graduate and go straight to a halfway house the girl had put a couple thousand dollars on his books he'd come oh yeah to give her a couple get he convinced this

chick to put a couple thousand on his books so that he had monies when he hit the halfway house he could get a phone he could get now she could have bought all that for him but he had her convinced because he was got to cut her loose right like give me three grand she'd saved up money, send him three grand. And so the DTS has found out, listened to the call, probably somebody else told on him, but you probably brag it about it. But they listened to call. They brought them in and they were like, you have to, either you can get kicked out of Ardap, lose your year. You're definitely not coming back to this art app. So I don't know where are you going to play Ardap, do Ardap. So you just lost a year. You're going to do another year or

you give her the money back. Of course I'm going to give her the money. Thank God you told me about that. I'm embarrassed I took the money. I got what I was thinking. I don't know. I should have never took the money. I would be manipulative. It was no way that I could have completed art. It all cold. It was no way possible. That's why I never tried. Like, they would call me. Until I turned that program, I'll probably like two or three times. But it is for your program? Oh, this bitch program, I don't. Everybody graduates and says you learned anything

that is. I really did learn everything. I really did. I taught classes. I was the teacher. I taught them. I taught them. I did great. Everybody graduated on time. Everybody went home. Everybody, everybody signed the roster, even if they didn't come to class. Everybody, definitely signed a roster. Yeah. Even if you don't, if you don't know the material, don't worry about it. I got you. All right. I'm going to make it work for you. That's how I taught the real estate class. You give me a, uh, you give me a coffee and two creamers and you're going to pass a test. You're going to get the certificate. Hey, man, I remember when I was in that, Claire, man. You used to talk so much. shit that don't people. I just be looking at the classroom like, I'm gonna just shit the fuck up, come me and Matt gonna get the fight.

Matt didn't say, he'd that baf. I'm gonna just say, I'm gonna say, I'm just not gonna say, they were there learned. There was always some, there was always some, some guys are asking. It's challenging you like, yeah. I didn't take it in the Clavs if you are to know, I was like, why did you say? And I'm just sitting there like, listen, I was a gangster. I would, in that clash. I was changed all in that class. That's like,

I always tell Jess, I said, listen, over the telephone, I'm fucking six foot tall. I'm a badass over the telephone. If you get in front of me, you're going to get a different version of Matt Cox. I'll be like, listen, I know, I understand. I can see how you're mad. But over the phone, I'm a bad. In that class, like I was king of that class.

And they all want, they all thought, I'm going to learn. I'm going to get out and I'm going to do this. So to them, this was a way to come up with a plan where they could make a bunch of money and not have to go out and sell drugs. Yep. And the other thing about that program, too, is by the way, and I know if, I know you heard me say this is that real estate is so funny because people in real estate watch this program so they they're probably appreciate this but it's absolutely true in real estate and flipping houses is probably

one of those few areas where being a drug dealer is a huge benefit because you know everybody in that neighborhood you're not afraid to go in those neighborhoods you're not afraid to knock on those doors people will give you a good deal right because they'll sell the houses to you um and they they they they would at a lot of times and i've had this happen to me where in those communities a lot of times they would rather sell it to other black people within the community than to sell it to some white guy yeah you know so a lot of times you can get good deals yep and you can help fix those houses up and flip them so you're the hustler mentality of a drug dealer is to your benefit because a 35 year old divorced a white woman isn't going to go knock on door in a neighborhood next to the

project. No, no. So it was one of those times where, and those guys could see what I was saying, like the money, it makes sense. It's not that hard. No. So once you understand that, okay, so you buy it for this, you do this, you do this, you sell it, you make that, you know, once you start kind of understand, you buy low, sell high. I mean, it's not hard. No. So, yeah, I mean, so those guys love that class. Yeah, you, I love it. I think I took, I took your Claire twice. I thought I had a smite up the sign off of me, and I took your Claire twice. I had somebody to sign up, but you teach. We all the time that you was an asshole one, they tried to challenge you or they were just asking the same question, no, no.

Essentially these guys would say just stupid shit, I'd see it coming to. I just like me saying, they're like, Matt might as say, it's bullshit. Oh, well, you know, there's always, there would be some guy, there would always be some guy who I would say, so you buy the house for 80,000, you fix it up for 20, you're selling it. You're selling. But for 140, you make like 40 gram, right? But you also have to pay this. And I start doing breaking it down. So ultimately you end up making a profit of, let's say, $30,000.

And there'd always be some jackass who would sit there and say, man, but then you got to pay taxes on that $30,000. What? And so, you know, and that was, you know, that was using my response. And like, are you telling me that's your problem with this scenario that you're afraid, damn it, now I have to pay taxes? Well, then go work. at McDonald's, have the, how are they going to take the taxes out? You can ride your bicycle

to the room that you're renting. And so I had all these, you know, smart ass. Yeah, see what I mean? I just, I just, I just sit there like, I just, you know, but I mean, like, like, or, you know, and so like, if, if, if paying taxes or avoiding taxes is the problem, your biggest problem, that's a problem I want to have. Right. I want to have a problem where I'm making so much money. I got my biggest problem is that I have to try and figure out how to pay as little. You know. taxes as possible. Like, that's not an issue. So I would say that. And of course, then the guy would shut him down and he, this fucking prick. But he wouldn't say anything else again. Then I'm good and I keep it. And I taught the class so, so many times that you have the same basic time

to the people. So they say the same stuff. So you have the same smart ass content. You get to be really good at it. Really good. Listen, I had guys that would walk out of that class and shake my hand. I had guys, when I was teaching the medium, there were guys that I would, look in the face. I was so scared of them. They were six foot three. They got like a third year suits. They've been locked up 20 years and I'm walking by these guys and all of a sudden I'd hear Cox and I'd be like what? And they go good class. I'm like oh okay. And then they walk out of class like the next day we teach class and guys would walk in and be like hey Cox and I'd be like yeah what's up. They go hey man there was good class and I shake my hey okay they

because you definitely taught a good class even when you you find it created and you taught a great Claire, and I'll give you that. It's somebody with asking them dumb ass questions. You know what the problem with that is? The only time I ever had an issue, and then we'll get right back to this. But the only time I ever had an issue was where these guys would go, they would say, why are you telling everybody all this? Like doing the rooming houses or whatever, flipping out there, but man, why are you telling

everybody all this? You know, they're going to go out and they'll do it, and then they're going to ruin it for everybody and i'd say what first of all do you realize i could tell a thousand people how to do this it's an absolute formula that will absolutely work the truth is what most people have a lack is the confidence to do it they do it they just follow through right they won't follow through they won't risk it most people have a multi-million dollar idea within their lifetime i don't know about you but most people are not multi-millionaires because they just didn't take it They won't act on it.

It's safer to get a job, a regular job, W-2 job and work that job, that it is to say, hey, I have an idea and I think it'll work, and it's going to take a little bit of money and some time on the weekend. I'm going to have to not watch that Netflix special. I'm going to have to work on Saturdays for the next two months. Right. But I think it will work. Most people will say, nah, man, I'm not going to do that. They're not going to risk that. It's too much.

But would that go back to what you were saying about the hustler mentality? you know what I mean where the hustler going into the real estate market how they could succeed because just for me so with me selling multiple droves

how I supplement that to keep me from going back and we want to do that because my decision was the selling droves. Like I just

the kick that I got out of hustling the drugs so now that's why I got into multiple different businesses so I'm the opposite I don't mind the time because I want to do it

anyway like set of drugs is 24 seven job right you don't take off I mean you could take off but you don't take off It's a thing for Savage job. People are going to call on Sunday.

I was just saying, we talked to this guy here like, he's like, they'll call you at 1. They'll call you at 2.30. They'll call you at 3. They'll call you at 3.45. He's like, and you got to go every time because they'll go to somebody else. And once they go to somebody else, you know, the product is better. You did it. Yeah.

So that like, remember I was just telling you, I used to sell a drawer outside of my window. So we had the accredition window. We'd have sent you to have an accolition window. So I would just slide the, yeah, the harmonica thing. Yeah. So they'd knock on the. window, I reached back, slaughtered back, be like, hey, what you want? I'm like a 20. I'm sort of head boy. Pop a 20 off. Get my $20.00. I was to do this all night long. So when the other

draw, the other was probably over there having sex with this girlfriend or ate the club, I was I was on. I was an old enough getting the club. Well, I did have girls on for time and time. But for the most part, I was right there. So that's how I exploded with the drawers because I was always available. But then I kind of figured out early so if you got if you got a gram you can make a hundred dollars off of it if i can make 75 dollars okay i'm losing 25 but i can make 75 dollars so i'm made 25 dollars so if i could do that this minimal times they don't make the same money right so i was i was giving i was giving a bigger piece and then everybody else at a young age so like you say they start going to other people that's why you got to be able to answer the fall and be there at 24-7 by me

having that window i made so much money through their long window while my grandmother was in the other he's so much money so what happened we so you went to you went to jail on that charge you did did you five I did last game I did it right at three years okay because in Georgia you only do it's like 30 percent 40 percent I bought you got out earlier but I got in trouble I got caught okay let's get back to the store right oh sorry I go to state prison while I'm in state prison I mean Mascoggi County Prison they can look this up on Miss Schoge County Prison over in Columbus George while in prison

I got a cell phone on detail I was just out on detail and they let me out on detail it's like I was free right people are dropping shit off for you now why would you put me on detail

at a nursing home okay who works in nursing home women right so soon as I get down my first day and they got this old thing for Philippine. He was from the Philippine. He was my office. My depressed who watched over. His name

was Joe. I never forget him. He hated this sister. So he was awful and the bullshit I needed to do. He was cool with it long as I didn't do it in front of him. Right. Just don't, you know, I'm giving you this one time. So Joe would leave one o'clock. He would always come like at three. And they had this little. We was on the nurse home, but they had this building where we had all the tools that fought to clean the windows and knew all the shit that we need to do on detail. So Joe would leave for one to three on lunch break. We're doing whatever else to hell he was doing. So I would have two hours and do whatever I'm wanting to do.

So, of course, while I'm walking around in the nursing homes and doing out, I'll sit on, you know, I are women down. And I would. So I will write my phone number down. All right. On pieces of paper, and I will see what car they're going to get in. So the morning we clean the parcel out of, I just need my phone number on their window. Of course, they're going to end up getting the phone.

They know it's one of them. of us is only two prison guys and working on the compound mix i started dating like two of the girls i had one of them actually came and seen when i got out of prison so it was tay and other girl would get other girl i ended up date of two of the girls so from one to three i would fuck right yeah that was my that was my time to do what i need to do but the guys the janitors there were they was getting mad about it because we would i was just leave more father and care i don't know these girls yeah in prisons i was just leaving my phone i'm on everybody call they ain't no telling them so they end up bringing the prison guards over they end up

if the shit was so fun i see the man i see the prisoner coming to the old in the old ceo coming to the little bit on i told you was to be at we all the tools and shit were so i'm sitting there i got a little bit of bought a patron i got a phone in my hand and i got a sandwich so it just not looked like inmate work release and i'm telling you i was i was i was imagine i said your mind is something serious because i don't think i'm doing nothing wrong right this point for one or three i'm basically free right i don't have nobody watching me i'm basically do whatever i want to do because i made a little kind of count because in georgia if you don't have you have a nonviolent crime nine to my teen they don't seem to like level fives and all that type of shit

so when the guard walks in i got a phone in this hand i got a sandwich in hand i got some some look on the floor and he walks in he's like what is that and i'm like a sandwich he like pa what's that of your ass or like she i pop it it's a flip phone so i pop it i was polite like literally like walk path to guard i slid passing and with a flush like we're gonna rouser for you're already caught me for you already caught with it but i can't let you get this phone because i got these girl news and i don't want to get these girls in trouble right they end up charging me while i was in prison giving me five more years for the cell phone

But what they did, they ran together. So that's why I ended doing like, probably they used to eight, nine months and some shit like that. So you, you act like, you act like it's shocking that they charged you. You had a cell phone, liquor, and I wasn't in fruit.

That's not. Well, guess what? He's backing you up. He's shaking and said like, yeah, yeah. You're still incarcerated. Guess what the argument was in the DA? What? I'll stay property.

So let me have it on. me i had the phone on state property because i'm all of them was i'm out on detail i'm not in the prison so it's like i wasn't in but they tried to say that i'm state property like the prills and they tried to use me yes the prills like nah that shit don't make any sense but for them it made sense yeah i was just saying it's something it says to somebody for doing it makes sense but that in the hell shit i think i stayed in they end of letting me go back out on detail but the first they made me working the barbershot clean my hair right so they end of let me go back on what's called the butter truck the fucking

flat surface you take the jack helmet bust up the concrete and uh well what the head when we redo a roll so like roll be they have a cracks or shit in it yeah got with a jaw call but they had me out of doing that shit and i was like i'm not doing this shit it's so so i realized it's like i walked a little bit one day like damn i can kind of walk a little far he ain't go out and he said now but this side got a guard they got a gun it's right it's a different situation but he keep letting me walk up the street it's like hi he can't let me walk up the street I'm just testing him saying I'm going to let me walk out he let me walk out far enough the same girl tell you that I made a nurse on I had her to meet me I had her to meet me you know what to be then you know give me a little bit and walk back now he was like where you was it I just walked down the street it's a fresh out yeah I said her I'm back now what's up what you need me to do but I end up I end up it's crazy like I end up getting out of prison for that and I came straight home it took a conspiracy like this conspiracy was i already going on it had me it was like two

years in by the time i paying home you ain't get out and like get a regular job and you know no you didn't start selling life insurance or i know i bs you not bro and i'm true story i come home it's like a for the first of some shit i remember being right at easter so they had this big old oh cook out you know it wasn't for me it was just for the city just awesome oh easter and i remember asking like so who who run the seat and i'm like who got the drools so i'm probably out probably about two days but by then like yeah plenty of time yeah about two days by then i had somebody that gave me some droves they gave me some money like but now i'm just trying to figure out who running shit now because then i really didn't know what was going on till i came home so they went to

point out okay he ran this he ran that so like as soon as i get to the field i like approach these guys like what's up bro i heard you you know got some got some got something going on you you work now so to keep me off of when they threw me a part that i even know about people coming in me like bro you having a party at the sand truck this club and i've been like no i know nothing about a party whole time these guys that i don't approach they got the money now they got the clout in the cedar with the drawers they don't put together me a party got one of my old boys and brought me an outfit for shoes like he was going to save him no i need him what do you mean what's got a save of what you like you mean like you're going to take

or so they were hoping they could hold you off by like being my free being buddies with you and kind of just shuffling you a little bit of money and no that will not have like you could just be a foot soldier now that's what will happen I need him right you know just give me give me enough and I leave you alone I don't worry about me and to watch that then like I had one of my potters to take one dual necklace just just making my print I'm back home I need it so I came home straight to the spirit so that's why by the time I think I was out 19 month before the fed peeped me up. So you came home and there was all, when you say that,

conspiracy, there was already, there was already, um, the guy that I came on dealing with, they already had a conspiracy going on. So they were all, they were already being investigated. They already been, you just stepped into the investigations. They add your name to the list. Oh, yeah. Look, we got another one.

You know, remember I tell you like, before, before I went to state prayers, that I, we got, we're going to get back into the game thing, but how about then I had to talk over? Like, the blus was the top. gang in the city we had numbers of we raised all we were doing all the bullshit so when i came home for state prison they was already on the end of it like we got to get him because i came straight back back to the droid straight back to the drive straight back to the guy and they'd take a day off no job and i think i probably had a job once or 12 yeah i'm gonna tell you i had a job this year that's so

normal i sold lar to quit me and even then i was serving the store manager cocaine so i was leaving every day at 12 but my probation also made me get a job My first, my first little chose. I never have a job. They're jerks like that. Yeah, they made me a job. I didn't see no reason for me to need a job. I was paying my son.

I was selling, yeah. First of all, how are they, they have to put it together. Like, well, you don't have a job. How are you paying her a fine? And I can't. I can't see you selling, I can't see you. Yeah, no, this is better than what we had in prison? If we had any push ones in prison, people are walking on.

What's wrong? So I was saying, no, boy, that's the other job I wrote their seers. I ain't, the district manager ended up firing me because he came in, you're on these points, so he was like, this guy's never at work. He only comes there for a couple hours and leave, he ended up firing me. But I was serving the actual person over the store, I would serve him cocaine. And I was like, bro, I really don't want to work. Right.

Keep all the commission out. I don't care about none of that shit. I don't just hear come out of probation officer made me come. But straight out of state prison, I made even think about getting a job. That wouldn't even what I'm doing the job. never he was nothing i could do with the job at that time so basically after that i got it back into the groove of thing you know i mean i started getting the brisk cocaine started getting the weed or whatever the k may be but uh i got out of state prison in 2010 my little brother got killed

2012 so that incident right though man that was that was the incident where i kind of knew that the federal government was on me like I do I had them I had fucked up you know what I didn't and reason being it was because they I got pulled over

and I had probably like probably had like like four to 50 thousand dollars on you or something like that is this before he got killed yeah there was right out he got killed

well how first how did he get killed oh good so so there's a touch of for me but I wish the 25th is one of my all close friend birthdays so we had a big old part or whatever case may be I got to tell you this part of lead up or how he ended up getting killed we had a big old party and we had like two limbo limousines and part of buses and we just had a whole bunch of shit going on and out of the club I was trying to go be with a girl

I mean, I had two, but I had Bama and May Day. So I had, I think I had two of my forces with me. And they was going to basically walk into the girl car. And I thought, you know, they were, once I get in the car, I was going to go, they separate. But I had told my little brother, like, they'd get in my limo and I have you in the limbo and the limber didn't get me when I finished with the girl because I had to go home, you know what to me, the girl with my girlfriend and just somebody that I had met while I was at the club. All right.

When we walk in toward the back of the club, I don't know if some guys back here aiming the wrongs. So the dudes sat over there back to the wall. He ended up raising up the shotgun. But what happened was if I was too close to the wall going to raise a shotgun or the pointed at me. So when he raised it, kind of like went past when I grabbed it. So I ended up wrestling down my air force to end up getting with the dudes, whatever came to me. So I end up taking the gun from with the gun fell out my hand, but I automatically pull my gun.

And I just started shooting back in the bag. I don't know. I'm just shooting. Why are me? I'm just shooting because I, they're shooting. I don't shooting. Everybody scouted, go this way. I ain't know still getting in the call with the girl.

Remember I told you, my little brother got in my limo. Right. So he goes to this, then all hangout spot called Shackafold. It's just where everybody go out of the club. After this incident happened, I don't want to go with a girl. I'm just trying to go get back with my people, trying to go around my home bars whatever came in me we pull there to this spot car shackle for it and my little sister her car is like two cars for so what I do I jump by

running my little sister car I gave her the guard the guard that I would just use because I didn't know if I had shot somebody right I was just shooting in the in the blind right I mean so I get my little sister the gun but she's looking across the park a lot and she like come I got on I got on baby blue true allegiance and my little brother got a red true and she was like i think that tailed up fighting but it's way across the park a lot so i'm looking like that it'll take so i get the running through but it's cars there's people there's a whole bunch of shit going on so i get the runner through the park lot to get my little brother and the process of me running through these cars and these people i see the dude my little brother

got a squeege that uh when you're cleaning window up he beating the dude with a squeegeing the dude ended up tan away from my little brother and ran out to the car he goes to the car and somebody had him a gun right he turned the gun around he pointed at my little brother so i'm right in front of the gun and get shot in his hand first that's why i missed this fangle but i don't know he not i don't know my little brother he i don't know i don't know nothing the thing i'm trying to do is say my brother right i mean that's all i'm trying to do because i be being in the street so i always tell people that the dude with the gun that just i right more than likely he probably not going to shoot you right if you see a guy point of gun he take a step back you scared don't gonna be normally the guy that's gonna shoot you the guy that backs away because if he got a gun he back away from you then he sees you as a serious serious threat so i see the guy like man he finished shoot my brother i ran in front of the gun he shoot me in his hand i end up wrapping up with him and we end up tussing him and he just for the whole time he was squealing he would just shoot and he shot knocked

off this flanker knocked out this finger knocked out this finger not got out this finger got shot in the i got one straight in my leg and i got one went in my right foot and came out the bottom of um it was so crazy because um dude named gregor hot top never forget it he pulled he basically pulled me from the dude because the dude wasn't going to stop shooting right he just he just i guess he had in mind me you know so he didn't know die he ain't get shot in the foot and when he pulled me i slipped now and the dude was still shoot he ain't a shoot me in my foot and i never forget it i was laying down between a or a burgundy expedition and a silver Nissan, I believe.

I remember licking over and seeing my little brother on the ground. I just like, fuck. They ain't up, except we, he ain't on going to what a car. I ain't on going another car to the hospital. And I know if, you know, I'm in the hospital bed, I just keep asking like, well, my brother, what my brother? And the doctor was just like, oh, he did. Like, he was a doll or some shit.

So I ain't, you know, trying to jump out of the bed, fight with a fight with the arm, you know, something out of bed trying to fight the doctor and all that type of shit. So that's where, that's where, you know, you bet me in the person, I was like, bro, you know, I allowed you want to know what happened with my fingers. So that basically what happened with my fingers and they're crazy. Like, by the end, I had accumulated so much power and my team was so active. Like, I was just like, I was the biggest guy by then. I had the most influenced by then.

I had, I had them beat all kinds of charges. I've been, man, I'm telling that I had been in every interrogation room in our county. Like, every interrogation room I had been in one room at some point. I remember going to the police station

and they had this boy. They had by my name, they had travel looking by, they had ghost. And the reason why they, it's because I'm going to get out of there as soon as some shit happened. I'm gone.

And they never really could catch me. You know what I mean? Like I really like all this 90% of this shit they had me down off I probably did sorry you know what I mean but they really never could

they never could really get me for all that shit like I don't got out of but I had to say that to say this for I say six days I had no contact

with outside rural they took they had they blocked off half of the hall Florida I thought on the night floor they blocked off half of the Florida

hospital reeds of bed because when they happened with my little brother they had to shut the city out they had to put extra police at the school

that they locked the jail houses now they locked that then they basically locked the city down trying to keep it from getting out of hand right well i had i had no telephone no tv nothing and i wouldn't even on a race they were just their tactic or keeping me from right from saying hey this is in it this is what needs to happen right right and but are things happening automatically what out that was like i'm the same thing they could have did it was happening so bad and i'd be you know what i mean i could speak on it not but i'd be honest like my mom but you know some bad things turn good people worse you know what I mean bad to turn good people worse right say that to say that my mama she didn't even try to

stop like she knew what was going on and she knew what was happening they just was like shit they took my baby like I don't care like I remember my mama calling me she used to drive around these little bus stuff she'll call me like I'm over here on this street like and they outside out run all of them over And I was just like, no, I don't do that. I got it. I mean, just chill. So it was a bad situation, but go back to the hospital situation.

And, you know, if you hang around me, I ain't really, never really been a religious person. But I could, I could just say that. I know that something digging to me had to be in the place because the one, they all let me have one nurse. I couldn't, nobody else come in my room. They had kind of had the flow blocked off. I really couldn't deal with nobody with this one nurse. And this lady, she had me take care of me for a long time. they had me with this morphine shit, like dripping, I'm going to sleep.

I'm out of it for you, for days. Like, I'm out of it, probably every day, they see me this morphine. And just as, at this one point of time, yesterday they hadn't made, their mind they were just going to let me out, letting out half of him. And this lady, she said, you know, my son. I said, I don't know you. She said, baby, please don't care my son. I know your son.

So she told me her son name in this same dude. He didn't do that in my son. brother but he he just he just had a crazy mouth on you know what I mean he wrapped the shit he did music and shit and she just like don't kill my son I was like I ended the saying later they been in here taking care me for like four or five days you know what I mean and they they shit was crazy because they didn't let me talk to my mama my kids my brothers my sister I couldn't talk to nobody he just literally isolated me from the world and it didn't help because all kinds of stuff even till they day even till they day on that day that my little

brother got something going to happen even to this day somebody going to get into some type of fights or somebody going to get shot or something going to get shot up even to this day and it ain't my daughter and i and like me you know people used tell me you can't tell me how to feel about taking a kid because i had my own love for take right you know what i mean so when the police and that one of the reasons why the feds really came in and got on me to get me out of the pitch which only made shit worse because but prior to me going in jail i had it was just like me and my group of bloods and one more other group now and man there's so many different blood sets in that city I can't eat keep up water so what happened to the guy that

you were you know you were wrestling with that with the gun that shot your brother what happened to him oh you know going to prison okay so with he did they get him right away uh no he went on the wrong he went on the wrong and with some of other guys would have with him shot each other to try to make a scene like I shot them and it was just bad situation. All the reason, yeah, it was, all the reason why, and they tried to charge me with all this stuff, but how I got out of the charges was, they were trying to put me a two place in one time. Remember, I told you, the situation happened at the on, a sand truck, right, the club. So it happened back to back so fast, it's like, oh, he did this and he did this? And my lawyer

was just like, he's no way he did both? So what did he do? Right. He's like, did he, did he shoot behind the sand trap? Did he do that? Or did he incite this? Because they tried, they tried to say that I incited the situation that got my brother killed and they was trying to charge me with my brother murder and right and I could speak on not

he didn't want to beat it but I'm gonna just not gonna say his name but one of the guys that I knew he was a real security but he was part of my situation

let's just say that right he got the shooting trying to shoot back at the guys that were shooting in or shooting in the end of somebody

and it was a shooting girl so it was just bad it was did you shoot it when you were firing back at that guy, when you were blindly firing, did anybody get hit? I don't know.

Oh, okay. Just, just, dude. Right, so you couldn't have been there and gotten all the way to where you guys were with the limo, and because by the time you got there, it was already, it was already happening. And then you had to run across the thing. So they were trying to say, you were there first, you started the whole thing, you were there the whole time. And it wouldn't have made sense because they, there was $500 and Somocial that they had footage from.

Right. So it just, they may sit, but that was just one of their plots to try to get me away from, you know what I mean, get me off the street. Yeah, it gets you tied up and get thrown back in prison for a little. Because I was, I was getting away with it. Man, listen, no feel. They used to try to charge me with so much, though. And they would just raid my mama houses and my grandmama houses and they would just do shit. Like, I could remember, I remember one time they came to that before my little brother got killed.

They came in my grandmother's house. A lot of them. I don't even remember what they came for, but they came and they basically just arrested me with no charge. just you just came to get me and my little brother the one they got killed he was a loose cannon he got the organ with him and by him when he got all with him my gangstar arguing with him so it's just like my hood and the police is on the standoff with my mama my auntie my mom and my grandmama and my aunties in the middle of it he was just like they're about to get the fighting and they ain't know grabbing my little brother and slam it's shit so fun they ain't know slaving

it down and he's just like that baby-ass slam like like like that and i'm on and how i'm and they got these little zip tie shit something you know just like bro y'all chill out like what's up with y'all wait at the police but i know i told you the way the way the gang telfort came in my neighborhood they came in the military wait it wasn't pete the little man off then to get to the big man just like we at we at war with y'all like fuck y'all like we day a game we're again what's up that's how that's how they basically came to my neighborhood when they first came um so how long was it until you got arrested and went to prison problems you can see that was in august real quick how much time did that guy get when he

i think 8 to 5 years he could have got 25 if he wanted to win a try yeah he could have got like 25 think he got 8 to 5 he could have got 25 so he i think he felt like he was going to beat it because of who he was right you know what i mean and they would have gave me like 20 25 years if he didn't go try how did he how did your your little brother and him even get like you all you saw it from a distance what actually happened there there was just a dispute they got into a fight man you know you know it's crazy I think that was I should have realized that that's that's another incident that I should have got away from because it was just only my little brother it was some more the gangs out of you know what I mean

his gang you know game you know game was out of though but my little brother was the only one get added my little brother was the only one they got to fight you know what I mean everybody else especially when the gun came like everybody else basically did scapriced they just got out of the way So you don't know why they just got the... Just being in several games in the same place. Okay. Remember I told you about the boredom thing.

Like, really, nobody can really tell you what the beef really be about. It just basically be you crook on blood or you rock long blood, you GD on blood. That's really basically what the situation be. You know, really, it's not really to really go that bad. Right. We're in separate hoods. So, and then, so you got arrested following that, how much longer until you got arrested.

So that happened in August, I got arrested. I think I stayed out another August, I told him about another 15 months and what they arrested for. Standing beside somebody their soldiers, eight in the bedding.

How much times you're at? Twelve years. But now, yeah, his eyes went. So, but, but, That's the fed Yeah, that's a fad And the crazy

And the crazy thing about it is I miss the part of them to get back to When I told you that Okay, my little brother got killed shit Just started going back Right So right after that It was another isolated instantly

They didn't have nothing to do When my brother getting killed Or even even the games against the game It was just another situation Where my little cousin And one of my other friend got killed On the same street And it was so crazy

Like I was literally sitting on the front porch i got up to go in the house when i went in the house i heard all the gunshots by the time i ride the bad though the shooting and everything's old you know what i end up getting away from the seam because i already knew i couldn't be i couldn't be at ryanlets but they end up killing my partner demo and they end up killing my little cousin but my brother out both from i end up getting killed in the shoot out so when that happened the gang of tariff was started taking the hood again trying to find out what was going on it was crazy you would think that they would be raiding the other neighborhood when they was raiding the neighborhood with my little cousin

and my my my homie got killed it they were trying to get us locked up instead of trying to find out who killed them right in the midst of it for whatever reason they got a tilt i don't know to the day they raided my mama house but in the process no raid in my mom's house the house list do to me some more some more dudes that was in my gang you know what i mean stayed in the house in that though so when they see the cars and shit turn on the road they get to running and they throw the guns up on mom my house as they try to just get out the gun because it's a little cross space up under the house the gangitare force a lot coming around searching my mom my house raiding it go through the end of filing the guns mind of you I'm not there I'm nowhere near around that's what they

used to indict me they got the guns that weren't your guns that weren't my gun I couldn't even point them guns I said they knew nothing about it was like a assault rifle some shotgun I don't know I never seen the gun my fingerprint was on the gun I had no pictures with the guns nothing they just used that as he's a he's a threat basically so when they when they took the picture when the dude's a dude came up with a camera and i think he if i'm mistaken the i ain't know he think he had a camera on the keycha and he came to search something he came to buy some draw for somebody else now mind you it's probably eight nine of us in the yard because we we was waiting on the ups man to bring us a CD of all the musical you've got to get ready to go out of time because i had to recollate

right and he just happened to come over there to sell him some drools we buy some drools while i would out and they seen me on the camp and they saw him more aid in the bed and they told him if i called the call the police and reported him selling the drawers i'm gonna never went in jail but since i did call i ain't made the one out the sale i ain't had nith do what he said he saw him like a half a brick of cocaine something like that but i told him though i said man something ain't right what dude it can't because his money is always perfect like you selling drugs you're gonna have different denominations of money you're just not going to a car with all twin. It's like, that shit, something ain't right.

Something that you ain't going to get this winter from the bank. Like, it's something not right. But the whole time, he was coming to where I'm making control buys. I never want to serve them. Like, never, me and him never did in the business, I just so happened to be. And the guy who sold the drug, they gave him two years. Yeah. They gave him two years and gave him 12.

That's when I, that's when I felt. When I caught my fee, came for eight in the bed. Eight in the bed in his cell. to the, well, that was 400 and right at 500 grams of cocaine. They all know how to conspiracy school. They just thought adding that shit up. He said you sold it.

She said you sold that. They just add. You didn't go to trial. Who? No. I ain't playing on those people. You just saw your lawyer just explained. They just explain, this is what they've got.

This is what they're saying. These are the people that are going to testify against you. Do you want to get 25 years or do you want to take fuck? I was going to get a life sentence. Okay. Do you want life or you want to do 12? Yeah. They were going to give me a license simpler because I had, you know, I was a crew of criminals.

Yeah. So I had all these charges from Sheldon Dros already. Then I got, I've never been arrested for the gang shit. But it's like we know we just never arrested them for it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you know most of these guys like from the outlaws to biker gangs? Like they've gone to the state, they've gone to state trial and beat like state murder charges, beat another state murder charge, beat another state murder charge, beat another state murder charge, beat a drug conspiracy.

And then the feds come in and get them. for something minor and give something that they can give them and bam they get 30 years like that's it it's like all these charges that they beat and then so finally they get frustrated and they call the feds and they basically it's almost like they say set them up on a charge

yeah they're basically what they did right and then what was currently with when this one I knew I was out of my league most people say they know they out of the league when they say the United States of America versus no I didn't know then I still was like I cool but I remember did you go through Atlanta yeah okay

So they got a You know they got a unit that where they put all the game numbers It's called BCU2 I thought I already know it's son wrong Because they got me black box Like why do I got this black box I mean I don't have a violent crown I'm not enough for drugs

Like why do we have this black box on me So when I first get Atlanta It's like calling these names I step out I notice everybody that step in I got on black boxes So I'm like what the fuck What? Okay I'm step on that What's going on? So they came out of like

You gang affiliated with the bloods You gang I'm like no I'm not little guy. I don't know. I'm not off the drills. They're like, I got to file. I got a file with you guys. No bullshit, man. They send me in DCU 2. When I walk in there, I can tell something that's terribly wrong. Like, the tension

is crazy. The tension is crazy in this unit. This is the unit. They sent all the game in. No matter what game you're in. So they piling up every type of game you can think of in this one unit. One unit.

Who they put you in a cellware. I was in a cellware. I was in sell with a GD. But I think the reason why they put me in sale with him because we both had 0-2-0 numbers. So they basically knew we were from the same area. So I had put me in the room, I was in the room with the GD. And I remember, man, they popped the doors. We probably to stay out but like 12 minutes before a fight broke out. But I remember them popping the doors and all the bloods came over and we was talking. And it was a one guy. I could look at it. I could tell, boy, it was bad for him. I could tell. So I was like, bro, what should you lock door for?

Now, mind you, I ain't told him I got 12 years yet. So. He talked, so he's like, man, I'm in the middle of, I'm from New York. I'm locked up for Rico. So I'm like, bro, how am I'm a tie you got? He's like, man, I got 45 years. Well, let me get that right. He said I got 460 something months. He didn't say 4 to 5 years.

Like, I got 406 or something. Yeah, like, okay. So I was just like, damn, what you got a lot of? You're like, man, so they reico at the hood. They found on my phone number and the dual phone, they had a merch dog. And they brought me in on Rico. I got four to five years. So I'm gonna tell you guys

So we just like go around the unit It's like everybody got like 30 or 40 years Like I don't supposed to be here I don't care what my record was supposed to say I was in charge for that Why am I here? But that was just that was wrong for a taste Of how the federal government work

So I get a teller they medium high And the lieutenant He basically told me like Any of blood do anything You're going to be responsible for it too But now it's another guy On the compound who's supposed to have more rain to me that were from New York.

But for ever reason, they're going to put this on my back. If they do something, you get charged with it. So, those folks literally, like, forced me to be in a guy. Way before I got to the prison where you was in, and they tried to make me sign the paper sales on the guy. And they forced me, like, I don't care what you say. Your paper will say this is this what you're going to do. That's when I knew I was out of my lead.

Because you would think, they were like, oh, you don't want to be in a guy. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah, we'll send you over here. We'll work with it. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. Your paper said you're a leader, so you're going to go ahead.

leader or else that's what i knew i was out of my lead where where were you before you got to colman i was at talemagan meeting high okay so you were there and then you went to coleman okay and then i went to edgefield okay and that's where i mentioned at at the low no worse i hated it i listen my partner came i tried to put a separate tees on you know what that is right yeah I try to put a separate tease on like, we got a problem. I can't go because he went ahead of me. He wrote that like, bro, don't come here. Yeah, do not come to Coleman.

So it's like, bam. So I like try to put a separaties on her saying, we can't go through the same prison. Hopefully there's shit me somewhere else. I try to get a little minor charge where I could stay at Coleman. I tell her they can not get shield to the pen or to another spot. And it's just like none of that shit was right. It's almost like the counselor knew that I were trying to get out again Sunday to COVID.

And they sent me to COVID. I didn't want to go to that place at all. I just, I didn't want to go to COVID at all. But I, on high side, I'm glad I did. I was just saying, what was the exact reason? Because it were two minutes Celsius, it's just on the carbine. It is, it's just like, and then we know, you, you went from a medium to a low two max,

so you know that the respect level is different, even with the COs. Like, the respect level is different. The people are different. Like, I remember how, yeah, I understand that, but it's easier time. No, it's not. it no no it's not it's easy to sound for you yeah it's about easy it's turning it for me I don't nobody bothers you no it bothers me when I see stuff like the sense of fin the shit like you didn't like the fact that there was like there was like six or eight punks

that would walk around the compound and be like hey I hate me hey I hate me and you would see like it would be like a gaggle of of you know man you know you know They call them, you know, punks, you know, a gaggle of punks. And they'd be waving to people. Like, they'd see some guy would be walking and they'd be like, hey. And all of them would go, hey. We used to be all the night. We could go out of rick y'all to rick or to rick out.

And they're just sicken. I'm not wrecking out with no sitting here. They had a whole, they had a whole baseball team. Yeah, yeah. It was made out of just. Oh, kickball. Yeah, yeah. It was kickball.

It was kickball. They had a kickball team. I remember that. Just, just the pond. They had a baseball team. karaoke night. No, they would sing. No.

You were remember where LG, that was my first figured out with LGBTQ, whatever that was my first thing about. They were hot in the compound down and be laid like a little dinner with them people. Open the culinary, oh, I knew I was in the wrong play. Oh, yeah, they had, they celebrated. They celebrated it had a day where they celebrated

knocked everybody down and letting them came out and they cooked them real fool out. They were dancing. They heard they had danced like dancing. And I was, I'm going to eat of them. We're talking about like there's like 30, 40, people. They had a big party. It seemed like every other day somebody was coming out, oh, man, you know, so, since,

they were, um, they were, um, they were, um, they were, um, they were, um, they were, um, what did they say where they were, not, what did they say where they were, um, turning them turning them out so and so. And then every other, and then everyone, they would have a, uh, a punk come on the compound that had like real fake tits and like fake tits and like, at one point there was like three guys that had fake tits on the They call them Canver Gates. Yeah. Oh, and they are like, like Tyler, they had Tyler Swift.

They were telling Tyler Swift they would make. Man, I hated it. I promise I did not want to cut out in prison. Michael McNaught, what's it, Nikki Minaj? Nicky McHid it. Michael Minaj, they would have like, they were getting married and shit, jumping and broom and shit, throw it around. Oh, why am I here?

How did I get here? Listen, karaoke night was pretty entertaining. Man, I hate it. I promise. I hate, I did not want to cut it out of time. See, you know, we were, we were indifferent out of time. Like, I would be like, you know, I would go in the combat, be like, hey, they're having karaoke night and guys, fuck you. Here, come on.

The karaoke night singing, get the fuck out of here. What's wrong with you guys watching that shit? I hate it. You try to go outside a rick out and he just standing out of watcher. Like, fuck, I'm not, I'm going to work out of my cell, bro. I'm not going out of my home was. You're like, oh, it's cool. It's cool.

Bro, I'm not going out of a rift. You know where, bro. We ain't need cool no more like, oh, just get the fuck off a ride if you think I'll sit

and work out with these folks just seeing or just watching no, hell no I hate I did not

I'm like that I promise you I did not want to come in that prison when I first got there they ever prison

I went to and I ain't go to three but every prison I went to I have to meet with the SIS right

with the police who police compounds they they let me leave out without me because a fight

broke out they blamed me for it like you know you were supposed to tell us now you want me to do your job i'm not doing that i never forget the police went now with a dollar took my whole locker out of my cell and went through every piece of paperwork in my room looking for gang knowledge because they want to be the sign of the paper and say that i was in the game i'm like no i'm not doing that but i figured out why they was doing

that when all the believers come they come to me like okay this such such he this this this helm this him this him so i'm like see i got in here I don't know well first of all where did y'all get in it because there's no way it's an open unit so what did y'all fight to get in it's like we took a test so like like y'all like so you say these are guys that

these are guys that join the bloods while old mined no no be specific it Coleman okay it Coleman hit shit and they had they took a task was it multiple choice that I never seen a test and I just told you I've been in

in the game based as I was in see is great. I had never seen the test. I don't know who can't. It's on the test. I guess they just learned the knowledge. Lark what blood stand for? I don't know. And it just threw me for a loop. And they were just like, yeah, I took a test. Like, like, like it was.

That's how you do it, right? Yeah, I didn't understand. Like, bro, I was beat down very bad. Like, I had, I couldn't, you know. Wait, wait, what was his name? You just mentioned his name. I was locked. I was in a halfway house with him. Jimonai. Jimonai.

Jimonai. He was terrible. And Jimon, I was like, filth it. That's why he's in a game. And then when it time to be in the game, you don't want to be in the game. That's when he went back and tried to, oh, getting back on where, you know, in the feds, you know, you'd be on game time or tapping time or whatever, whatever, everybody got their own click. And I just, he's just like, no, you ain't going to be blood, bro. And, oh, he's crazy, he switched six.

I found out later that he went from G-Shine to Brim or something like that. But he never should have been. He, like, 50. He had all kind of great house. Just like, where he come from? He died in the halfway house. I know he did. That's why he would go out

to be a DJ. He said there how many knuckleheads there were that that fucking that would go that would you know

they they'd like rap all through their prison sentence they were going to get out and be a rapper and like and yeah two months later

you find out like you're you're you're putting you're you're installing pools like what happened to the rack thing yeah

you could agree yeah you met a girl and that's it never works um it's funny Gemini

this is So I'm in the halfway house, right? And Jim and I was there. And the reason makes me think about this, you'll think this is funny. So when I taught the real estate class in Coleman, I had taught, there was a guy that took the class. A white guy, pretty big guy. He was like six foot tall. And he was only in jail for six months, maybe 10 months.

I think he did get two or three years. but he was, by the time he got to Coleman, he barely did any time and left. But he remembered me. And so he had taken, he said, I remember he sat to the class. So he sat through the class. And then he got out.

And then he kept track of where I was. You know, like would check the, check the BOP computer every once in a while and saw that I was getting out soon. And he knew that I was going to go to the halfway house. So one day I'm sitting there in, in the halfway house, Gemini comes up to me. He goes, hey, he said, Cox. He goes, you need to go outside. And I go, for what?

And he goes, there's a guy outside for you. And I went, and I thought it was like another guy in the halfway house. Right. Like some guy wants to talk to me outside. And I went, who is it? And he goes, oh no, bro, but you need, you need to go outside. And I could tell you. It's not like, you're in trouble. Right. You need to do this. And I was like, fuck, all right. So I get up and I walk outside and there is so you know outside that well I don't know what house house you were at but at this half house guys would go outside to smoke right so you got like 30 guys standing outside smoking in the parking lot so there's 30 guys standing outside smoking and so I walk out and I as soon as I walk outside I look over there's a white Lamborghini with a blonde chick but driving it and the guy that was in my Coleman thing sitting in the passenger side And all 30 guys are literally 10 feet away smoking cigarettes, like, And fuck you're going to fuck him. Little David.

And I see me, the guy goes, he goes, Cox, Cox, Cox, Cox. And I, you know, and I kind of recognized them. Like, I knew I knew him from somewhere. And the only place I can know you at this point from. You, if I was it called him, that. So I go over to, I go, I walk up, but you're not supposed to talk to anybody, remember? Yeah. You can't talk to anybody.

You can't do that face. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm in the parking. lot. No, I'm saying even in the halfway house, people can't come see you. They have to be approved. See, the halfway house out where they had a fence in the bed when you smoked and the people can't through to him. No, no.

They told you like, if one of your friends comes by, don't think you're going to stay in the parking lot and talk to him. We'll send you right back to fucking prison. Right. Everybody has to be approved, just like in prison. They have to come through the air. So I see him. I walk up to him and I'm like, hey, man, I know you were getting out. He starts talking to me. I'm like, and then it kind of dawns on me. Oh, shit. There's Tamas

here. There's 30 guys here. You know, And I'm like, oh, yo, bro, I can't, you got to talk to me. I work at a gym. Like, I work at, tell him the name of the gym. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, you're going to get me fucked up. I got to go. And I turn around, walk off. He contacts me a few days later.

But, yeah, but I remember, listen, after that, can you imagine I walk out? I'm talking to some guy in a fucking Lamborghini. Everybody in the halfway house is now. Yeah, what's hell? Yeah, what's how? And then they start looking me up. They start watching the American Greed episode. Next thing I know, all the officers have watched.

watched it or the staff watched it. So now, as I'm walking around, they're like, Cox, what's up? How we're doing? I'm like, what's going on? It was like that in prison. I told you, man, you could be humble as you want to. You was like famous.

And you tell him again, Lance posting, like y'all was like the famous ones on the compound. You know, Lance turned out to be a real piece of shit. Yeah, I know. He got out and he had promised all these guys that were kind of like watching out for him and being cool with him. And they would like get out. get out he like he promised him a job and everything they'd get out and call like this one guy

brandon called him two or three times left messages finally brandon called and his lance's wife picked up the phone and said listen he's not going to call you back he don't want anything to do with you he don't want to talk to you he don't want to them to do he said don't call again it don't like it don't surprise me like what lans said bills are like 2.7 billion i was it was in the billion yeah you thought he wanted to talk you well you know i just so here's what bothers me is that I would Okay, so listen, I was raised upper middle class, right? So, but I met some great people in prison.

I met better people in prison than I knew prior to going to prison. But you went in not just trying to survive, though. You were just being met. Like, he was just trying to survive, so he was like, I'm going to just be cool with everybody. You know what I mean? Right. I'm going to feed you this so you can hang around and protect me, watch out for him.

You were just mad. No, by the time I met you, I don't know by the other prison, but by the time I made, you just met. Yeah. I mean, I just, I mean, look, like, I would, yeah, I guess Lance was trying to, like, I remember he, you know, they sent him, he went to trial, lost. They sent him in the pen. Like, he got the shit kicked out. You remember he was missing it too? He got the living shit kicked out of him in the pen, like a couple times. They kept them in the shoe until they sent him to the, they held them long enough to like, they sent him to like the low, I think. So I get that. Yeah. But I mean, you know, to me it was like, I got, I was just like, I'm just going to have to make the best of it here. And I remember thinking. And I remember thinking. into myself, either you're going to not mouth off, you're just not going to talk to anybody the whole time you're here, or you're going to run your mouth, and every once while you're going to get fucking flat. Which one of you want to do? And I thought, I'll survive the bitch

more than I will just not talking to anybody. So I'm just going to walk around and joke around and fuck around. And if every once while I piss somebody off and they get my face, well, that's all right. That's going to happen. Nobody expects me to be a tough guy. Right. Right. So That's why I was just like, I'm just, it would be made. Joke around and suck around. And as a result of that, I think I met some great people. People that literally I got out and I still communicate with, people that I got out and they would, you know, they'll ask me to send them some money or can you mail me a book.

Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that because nobody was doing that for me. So, you know, you know, you're a good guy, man. Because I could tell you like, when I, when you talk about me coming to your podcast, like, I'm not on do it. You do it over the phone. You know what I mean? Like you're my partner. I'm going to pay. I'm going to pay the kid. I'm going to ask you to do net because I knew the shit that I learned for you for real estate and credit and just being around and just watching around you. Like even though with the book writing shit, by the time I met you, it was like I knew I wanted to write books. I knew I want to write movies. I knew I want to do all this shit. But I had no idea how to do it. So just hanging around you watching you doing, watching your work at the little simple shit like you probably didn't pay attention to the shit and you were just being mad. A little simple shit like getting up every morning, racing to that library and do something to talk with your day. that shit kept me from getting out of prison doing some bullshit because mind you i just told you

the prior prison i was at i was just meeting more people that were going to help me get more drugs right so when i made it to the coleman and it was like oh man you need to meet matt that one k introduced me to you and i was just like you're like nah you just got to come to the library like i'm not i don't come out i don't do much and i got to call to the library so that created a habit a good habit for me getting up every morning and shoot to the library you know what i mean that's why that a little one time where they try to take out of seats i'm like you got to do shit man I got it. Yeah, this is my line.

This is what I, you just continue to let me be around you, learn from you doing this book, the book, write shit, listen to, even with the lawsuit that you had on dude, I forget dude, name. It taught me, contrary, Devin Rowley. It taught me country, like, don't just do shit, like, make sure you got all your shit in a row, you know what I mean? Like, don't make sure people write them until I heard Devin'Reilly name again, awesome bullshit too.

But I learned a lot from you. So it's just like, why fuck what I'm at? like once I would have stood up even though you could have stood up for yourself I would have stood up for you because like mad not fucking with nobody you would have stood up for yourself that shit

listen I think I know so because I don't think people understand it so and not everybody's watched all the podcasts but what I did it basically in prison was I used to go at the low so it's funny because at the medium like the library is like almost always empty

right but at the low people don't want they didn't want to go outside and work out So they would, when they called the move, you could either go to the rec yard or you could go to the library or culinary arts or if you had something, your job, whatever. But if you didn't want to go sweat your ass off in the, in the rec center, you went to the library. Well, the problem with that was for someone like me who I'm not really going there to avoid being outside, I'm going there because I'm writing a book. So I would bust my ass and race all the way over there. Well, first, I was just sitting anywhere.

like I said at any table when I first got there and I'm going there and I'm writing and writing and multiple things happened in the library like there was just

a few big long tables then they broke up but small tables but what I started noticing over the course of a couple of weeks was there was

there was one table where there was like five or six black guys that were sitting there and I could see they were writing does that make sense you know

you could see they were writing and then one day and that's obviously it got around that like you know those guys all write. They write like urban novels. And I was like, oh, okay. So then one day I got there and somebody left. I forget how I ended up sitting at the table. And they're writing and I'm writing.

Well, one of the guys goes, what are you writing? You do legal work? And I said, no, I'm writing a book. And they were like, what do you write? I was like, well, I'm trying to finish my book. I wrote a book about me. And they were like, oh, okay, I said, what are you guys writing? And you know, they don't even really want to talk to me. Like, they're giving me. They're bugging. Right. Anyway, so we start talking over the course of a week or two, we start talking. And they're asking me questions. And I basically had finished up my book by that point. And I was writing another, I was writing another book.

I was writing, I think I was finishing Devereoli's book. And so they started to understand that. And then I kind of explained that I was finishing up the manuscript. And they saw that I had like a literary agent. People are coming to see me. They're starting to look me up. They're starting to say, oh, wow, that's interesting. And I'll never forget that at one point, Devereolli's book was done.

I started writing this kid's book, Doug Dodd. And they were like, well, what's his story? Because I kept telling them, listen, you guys are writing urban novels. And I said, they're like, yeah, well, they sell some, you know, they would write a book. And some of these books, you get them published, they make six or seven thousand or 13. There was a, there was one guy that sat with us for a while, and then he got transferred. He'd written like five or six books. And he'd start writing urban novels like 10 or 15 years before.

He had like a huge set of it. When he first started writing, very few people. write in urban novels. So he put a couple of them out and they would make 12 or 13,000 dollars like in prison, that's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. So if you made 12 grand over the course of two years, that's a good chunk of change. And he's got multiple. His problem was, he was like, the problem is everybody's doing it now. So it's watered down. So now I'll finish a book and put it out. And even though I've got all these other books and people know my name, he said the books make a couple thousand dollars. And I was trying to explain that to these guys. I was

like well you know so and so said this and they didn't mind's going to be huge mine's going to be huge and they're like well you don't think you're going to be huge i said i'll be lucky to publish mine i don't care if it's huge i enjoyed doing that this is how i do my time this i do my time well when dodd came in so with dug dodd came in i remember saying listen this kid this kid he's got he's got an okay story you know it's not the greatest story but i think i can make it great if i just focus on this and this and this and they were going were you going to write it and i was like, well, I think I'm going to write a synopsis, a very short story version of it. And they were like, why? You can't, well, you can't sell that. I said, no, but what I could do is like, I'm thinking

I can send it to a bunch of, a bunch of reporters and try and get him into like a magazine. If I can get him into like, GQ magazine or something, then I can probably get a book deal. Right. And I remember Kay and all of these guys were like, like, what? Like, bro, what? I said, yeah, I said, yeah, it because think about it what gives me credibility is that i'm in prison writing these guys story right what gives him credibility is his charges so i said what you guys all have you don't seem to realize it is what gives you credibility for the first time in your life is that you um sold you sold drugs right like you should write a book about you and that drug the whole drug thing and your story you could make it amazing they don't want to do that because they want a sense

And I'm like, it doesn't matter. If you're a poor kid from the projects that didn't have a fucking prayer, then that's a good story. They couldn't see that. They couldn't see it. And so when I told them Doug Dodd's story, they were like, what's so big about that? I go, well, you know, I'm going to focus on the fact that all these five guys were on the wrestling team. The fact that they were all clean cut white guys. The pills. Yeah, yeah. So as they were all kind of clean cut white guys, you wouldn't expect this from. It was the beginning of the pill mill episode. epidemic. So I started explaining everything. And they were just like, and you think you're going to get him in a magazine? And I was like, yeah. And they were like, all right, all right. So I finished the synopsis, write it. I move on to something else, but I mail it out to about eight different reporters. A couple of them come back. One guy comes back and says, I can do the story. Then I get, we get the story done. Then it ends up in Rolling Stone magazine. And I'm talking about little pieces here and there. And then one day I walk in and I, boom, here's a, I said, hey, you said, I wouldn't get it. And they're just like, they're like, they're like, on their fucker.

And I'm like, yeah, Rolling Stone magazine. Hey, that's my name right there. Look, I wrote it. And they're like, oh my God. I remember. So then within that goes out. And they were like, what are you going to do now? What are you going to do now? So, now I'm going to take the articles. And I'm going to sit out about 50 to about 50 different literary agents. I'm going to get a literary agent that's going to get me a book deal. And they're like, man, how's that going to happen? I said, I don't know. You think you can do that? I said, no, but I didn't think I could get him into Rolling Stone magazine either. I thought, I'm going to try. What happened? Do you know how many things, even to this day? I try that don't work. Yeah. But I wanted to be on Jordan Belford's,

you know, Jordan Belford, the Wolf of Wall Street. Right. I want to be on his podcast, right? Not so much because I care about being on his podcasted, it's not going to help us, right? It's not going to give. I'm going to get, if I'm on Belfort's podcast, it's going to get me 50 new subscribers. Right. His crowd is not my crowd. His crowd is a business crowd. But I'd like to go so I can get photos with him so that I can say like, hey, I was on

soft white underbelly. I was on Vlad. I was on Vald. I was on Jordan Belford, the Wolf of Wall Street. I want to be able to say it. Right. So you know what I did? I made.

for small paintings of Jordan Belford and I packaged them up and I sent them to his house and he got him and he signed for him and he got him

with a letter saying, hey, my name's Matt Cox. I have a podcast. Here's who I am. You know, and explain the whole thing.

Check out my pockets. I'd love to come to Miami and be on your podcast. I have a redemption story, blah, blah, blah, right? Never heard for Jordan Belfort. Was that a waste of time? No. I don't need to hear from him. You know? I've sent what was it with you know what happened with Grant Cardone. I know Grant Cardone. Sorry. Graham Stephan. Graham Stefan is another guy. He's got a huge podcast. And then the truth is, honestly, Colby could make a couple calls. Like if I was willing to fly out to Vegas, I'd probably could be on the iced coffee hour. Like he could probably make a couple calls and I'd probably be on the ice coffee. That's this guy's one of this guy's podcast.

I made some screen prints of Graham Stephan, sorry, Graham Stephan and his wife or his girlfriend. Fiancé? Yeah, fiance. The same thing, made a few, packaged them up, sent him to him. Graham got them. And Graham, through my booking agent, said, thanks, I really appreciate it. Well, I really, yeah. Not what I wanted.

I wanted a, you've got to. come out right but honestly i probably could anyway we just made a few phone calls but but i'm saying like i'm done i've mailed off i remember this guy uh do you remember the uh big black guy uh his name was um i wrote a story called the gap about him his name is um his name is donovan davis he got like 17 years for a ponzi scheme that had nothing to do with him anyway he was he's he's he's he's Jamaican I'm so he's Jamaican but through but he's actually got heritage from from India there's a huge Indian population in in in Jamaica right so anyway wrote his story um I sent off his story to probably 30 reporters and never really well

I actually did get a bite I got a bite from somebody but then she said it was too complicated for her and she wanted to write a story on me instead. So even though that seemed like a waste of time, it did help write. It did something. I've written lots of letters that went nowhere. I've done lots of things that went nowhere. And just like I didn't think I could get those kids into Rolling Stone

or GFue or any national magazine, I didn't think I could get a book deal either. But it's worth writing. So what would I do? I wrote 50 letters. Sure enough, got a book deal. I have a book that was on Barnes and Nobles. We got a check.

And then we option the life rights. didn't even know what optioning the life rights really was we optioned the life rights for them I got a check

when I got to the halfway house I got another check they optioned it again like I hit the halfway house there were 300 bucks no $400 and I just went to I went to Walmart

spent $300 had about $90 bucks left on my little card you know the card yeah just pitch on and and my ex-wife

calls me on my cell phone that my brother bought me um on my cell phone and says you got a check here from that law firm and I go open it she opens it up she goes it's like six grand and I was like me day thank God me that I wrote those right I was able to do a car I was able to like it changed a ton and and so it's like all those things that I did that weren't supposed to work that didn't matter because I had all that time and sitting at that table and talking with those guys and and and even you know even hashing out different you know how to say this how would you say that how would you like those guys kept me um you know they kept me sharp by the constant back and forth back and they were they were hilarious right now I mean and I and I didn't fit in there at all

like I was the odd man but but was so funny about that was I always had a place to stay because I didn't always get there first like sometimes I'd walk in and K would be there and nobody's sitting there so you've got this library by the way people are standing up standing up sitting at the tables

standing up and you've got one guy sitting at a table where you've got five seats sitting there and nobody's sitting down guys would go to sit down and he'd be like don't sit there don't sit there and the guy would be like wow I'm gonna sit here nobody if he's like I'll beat your fuck and they get up here and move or

or he'd sit down and then and then everybody else would sit down and sometimes you get somebody who'd be like they just want they just sit there like i'm not i'm not moving i'm not moving and then you'd have um you'd have snoop or somebody walk over and stand there and just stare at the guy and say i'm telling you you need to get up right now you want to get up right and the guy'd be like oh shit and they'd get up and leave it'd be the same time if i got there i'd i'd put books on all the things and be like the number of somebody sitting here and i'd be like i swear to god you don't want to sit here i mean i'm doing you a favor right now you don't want to be here when And if enough people they see it, they know, and they're like, yeah, don't sit. That's why I was surprised when those guys, I think he was on top, came in and they put the books in our spot. The heavyset guy, he came in with his clay, he was teaching something. I don't know what he was born. Oh, yeah, and they were going to, yeah, this is a mistake. Yeah, it's a mistake.

Yeah, we're not doing. Like, I'm trying to help you, bro. Like, I'm not going to do anything. I had, I had like 12 bloods come under this one. And I would not. That's all me. You all, y'all know what we see? He's like a table for the says a friend of the way.

Y'all don't know. I wish I would still try to sit in all seats but but that was that was good because it was like when you were sitting there it's it was helping it was like helping everybody was like look you know like oh I can't write a book yeah you can you can't you don't have to write a book today today write the first page of an outline right and I

and one thing about me I was a different from them because all the one writes urban all I don't write all self-held books like my this bull right here product of my environment simply came from me saying, I'm going to change the narrative of people saying, oh, I sold drawers, so I did it because I'm a product of my environment. Everybody in my neighborhood and sell a drill. Everybody in my neighborhood in the gang man. Everybody in my neighborhood didn't break long. Some people got up and went to work. Right. You know what I mean? So I decided that in the end, you know, it's crazy because sitting there with you and the other writers at the table

just paying attention. It was another older guy. You could see it a little farther now, but just paying attention. I used to listen to exactly what you just said. And one of the reason why I I slide away, shot away from write a urban number because I was just like, okay, I could write a self-help book. And even if the book don't sell, I can get speaking engagements off of it. So that's what I had to get now. Like, I go to schools and speak. I get $3,000 going to speak at a school. Yeah.

I mean, I just, it's like $2.50 an hour for me to come and do anything. Right. You know what I mean? Basically, and I'm just taking the book. I just had a guy come with it. We want to buy 30 of your books. We want you to head in the book club. It's like, okay, you can buy 30 books, but we got a whole.

whole another conversation about me here into the book club just because you buy the books don't mean i'm going to come in and teach out of the book no you paid me to teach out of the book so me watching you with okay okay i'm gonna do this then i'm gonna get a book there or then i'm gonna try to get a movie deal and i'm gonna ask okay okay okay so this will i'm gonna go this route i'm write the self-help book and i'm gonna get the doing speaking engagements all for everything and that's that's how i end or writing all the books it was so crazy because i remember when i was at colman and k k kka you take k to tell you this story. The CEO, because no, my, I was, I always had this, this white guy, Jane Manor with me

all the time. He was my editor. He was just like my editor. Right. And then it's crazy how I figured I could edit it. I just, I heard reading the Bible and he was reading so fluent like he ain't skip a beat. Like, he got to be able to edit my book. Right. So we ended, I ended up, befriended on James and he ended up editing my book. So we were being in this room. If I'm not in the library or wrecking out, I'm in this room. I didn't go watch TV. I didn't do now. in this room every day right and they thought I was it's Stuart and James right like they called me in the office and asked me all these questions and ask James all these questions like am I at short and James because it was just me James and Kay basically in the room all the time you know they're building on

these stories and these books that I was putting together but I remember the council after getting the whiskey that's just a judge if I came up this night he was no whiskey they moved him down from B to A I think he went in and basically broke the tight writer. Why? I think he thought I was doing law work because I was always in there. I was me and Jay and Kay. I'm always in there writing these books. So I guess he felt like I was writing law work because he asked me. Ain't going to guess he asked me. And I was like, I'm writing books. I guess looking at me like, nah, he ain't writing books. He got

to be here trying to do some law work or some shit. But he ended up breaking the tightwriter. Me and Kay, S.K. Me and Kay ended up going there and fixing the tightwriter. He broke the When you sit, the caution on, the wheel. He broke it. So we went in, we fished it. It's like two days later, I came in. He threw a whole tight right in the trash can. But all I did, we got my homie for A3 to steal bill type.

And I heated up under my bed to myself. You telling me this right now? I remember this whole thing because I remember Pete, my buddy Pete, talking about how there was a typewriter missing and won the units. And it was a big deal. them what's wrong with these guys and I have never like if I told that story right now he'd be like oh my god because they didn't they never I had it up on word out I put it up on my bit yeah I was I was going to say that it's funny because um yeah I think sitting at that table and having that time and trying to do something with that time you know teaches what taught

would help to teach me long-term planning. Yeah. And I, you know, it's just, and that, you know, it's not that you're just, it's incremental little gains every day, a little bit here, a little bit here, a little bit. And guys used to say all the time, like, man, you must write fast. Like, no, I write slow. Yeah. I just write every day out.

Right. I just write a lot. I write every day and I rewrite it and I read because there's no great writers. There's great rewriters. Yeah. And so nobody's sustained. and just knocks it out. So you just write it and write it. And I was like, look, sometimes I'll spend a whole day and I'll end up with like I would spend five hours and end up with one paragraph.

Right. Some days, I spend all day and I did it with three pages. You know, it's in the end over the long term, one day you look back and you go, holy shit, I got, I'm done. I got a book. And so, you know, those, I feel like those things really helped in the long term. And doing that and sitting at that table and having those guys um have that table available helped me write books that to this day I'm getting checks from right like I don't I have passive and it's not a ton of passive yeah but it's passive you get a thousand extra dollars a month for me a thousand dollars is a lot of money right right and it's because I was sitting at that table same thing because I'm sitting at that table I'm optioning stories and now I get out and I'm able to option stories that I wrote

seven, eight years ago. Ten years ago. Right. Stories that you get, you know, they're not huge options, but you get a check in for $3,500. $3,500 is a lot of money to me. Right. It may not have been a lot of money to me before I went to prison, but it's a lot of money to me now.

And it's money that I'm getting that took nothing now. It's something I made that money 12 years ago. Right. And it is all from sitting at that table. That's like, that's just like, me, for this, I'll probably. I have to show you a picture my phone there, but I probably got this much material and they started at that table. I just kept writing through my bed though. Like I started sitting in that table, sitting around y'all just watching doing my little writing hand out.

I got so many books. I probably never have to write another book. I would have to rewrite some of the material. Yeah. But I got so many books. I've wrote a full sitcom, full TV Airborne series, web series. I got so much material. Like my problem right now is with book.

book do I publish now? Right. I created my own publisher come because I don't have, you know, I try to go your route. The literary ages and all, they all this. No, they don't want anything to do. I just wouldn't. Yeah. Just create them all. Yeah. Well, that's why all my, I publish everything on Amazon now. Yeah. Because those, they're, they're, I don't want to say they're useless, but for, you know, I, I don't know. I, you know, I had two books published. I've made more money on Amazon than I ever made off of those books. Right. And I'm glad I had them published.

I'm not glad, but I just feel like I've made more money. And I think that in publishing, you have the guys that are bestsellers who make a chunk of money. And then the guys that aren't bestsellers who make nothing. Right. Or very little. So, but, but yeah, I always, I always love the fact that we had that table. I just wish those guys would have listened to me. Yeah.

because they never really got out of that thinking it was even after they would write one our novel they started on another one and I would sit there and go bro write your story why don't you write not just your story why don't you write his story because maybe it's hard to write your story it being you know I was just about to say that I think and I in the beginning it was I tried to write a story on my life and I also tried the urban novel but you said something about sensationalizing their lifestyle I lost so much and been through so much with that lifestyle like I really could never really sit on and write it you know what i mean like i really lived that life like i really been shot i really don't you know i really live that life so it would

take somebody else to really spend time me and learn it then write it but just sensationalizing the lifestyle writing all this oh we broke out of the courtroom and i had 500 keys of cocaine i just could never sit down and write it because i was just like why would i sensationalize something that cost me to lose so much so i took pieces of my life that I felt comfortable with talking about, and I just wrote books on it, self-help books on it. Right. Instead, people can read that they can get some

from, they can learn some from, you know what I mean? You can learn the consequences of this shit instead of the horrible and all life, you know what I mean? The business and that shit is not happening. It's funny going to prison too and being around those guys and writing some of those guys' stories. Like, I mean, you're saying like some of the people in your neighborhood went and they had jobs, they had

this. But typically, so and obviously you have you have 10 kids all raised by their mother or their grandmother and you're going to have you know five of them are going to go into selling drugs and crime and five may go get a job a regular job and be a regular person you know um but the but had those those 10 kids had a husband had a father and a mother and been in a better situation then maybe only two of those kids would have gone. You know what I'm saying? So, in my opinion, from reading these stories about these guys,

and what's even funny is you read somebody, like, Snoop and his brother, Hawkins, his last name is Hawkins, D.V. DeVille Hawkins. Snoop and D.V., like, if you read their life, like, I mean, bro, like they just didn't have a chance. Right. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like like I, you know, prior to going to prison and probably prior to writing all those, the different stories and hearing the different. Because, you know, although I've written a bunch of books, I've written like two dozen synopsies. And I've heard way more ways than I ever wrote. Right. Like you'd tell me, guys would come and they'd tell me a story. And we'd spend three hours listening to the guy's story. And it, and I, unfortunately, it wasn't good enough. Like, it's not good enough for me to devote three months of my time to write your story. And I'm sorry. And it's a great. And it's a great. story it's a it's a tragic story right we're raising the project right your mother with a

prostitute your father's ended out of fucking jail your brother sold drugs this guy sold drugs everybody you knew that had any money at all sold drugs and and i hear you know nomad of right that the problem is if you're a middle class white kid hearing that story it's like oh my gosh i can't believe that but the truth is being in prison and hearing those stories over every no it's like this isn't unique no like unfortunately that's not a it's a tragic story it's probably a an amazing story, but it needs it for me to dedicate my time to it when I was locked up. It has to have some other element. And what Snoop and DV story had was one of the kids they grew up with ended up heading the task force, the drunk task force in their county. And they started working

with him. And he's telling them where the drug dealers are that have money and setting it up so that he's like there will be no cops in this area at this time from this time they'll all be here you guys and i'll listen to the radio when you guys go and rob this guy he's probably got 50 or 100 thousand dollars at the very least he's got 10 kilos of coke and they would go in and rob the guy so so they he has the same story the difference in that story is that you're working with that's training day yeah that's trying a day so that's worth writing right even though you know they're, but I don't know. So, I mean, yeah, but you, you, I really feel like I, I, I really feel like those guys, not me, I feel like those guys missed out by not seeing the stories that were all around them.

And you know why it was? It's because it's so common to them. Yep. They didn't think anything was common about their story. They would tell me the story and I'd be going, hey, shit. And they didn't think it was, they didn't think there was anything special because they know all their buddies and cousins and friends and they've all been arrested in and out of jail, dealt with. snitches dealt with crooked cops dealt with that was just it was normal normal everyday life so they would rather talk about some some guy that ended up you know working with the cartel and doing this and had 50 planes it was like what are you doing bro like that's not a story no not real no anyway yeah that's too bad that's probably though that's probably like my biggest regret of spending that time

there not even the fact that I was in prison right but that They all had amazing stories. Kay's probably got a great story. Yeah, Kay, I don't know. Especially when you look at Kaye background with his family, like his father, what happened with his father and who his father was, got a good background. And I used to tell Kay, Kay, you know, I always be like,

bro, you didn't do this about your story. I was just like, bro, like, my story's so coming. It got a lot of tragic in it. You know what I mean? But the success is going to be what I could sell. The success story part of like, okay, he biffed through all this went to federal prison and what he did afterwards, you know what I mean? Like, I could tell the person.

I got out of prison. I've been out of the halfway house a year and a month. Within that year and a month, I've become, I got a third of day clearance to work with the Department of Juvenile Justice. Right. Well, that's what you're doing? That's what I'm doing now. I mean, go and talk to the kids and stuff on teens.

They've been in trouble. I've published a book. I've created a company called My Create a Game Plan that focuses on financial literacy within a property of community. I, oh, what does? So I do so. Now, I do a lot of speaking engagements, you know what I mean? Right.

So, but this is a series of books, right? There's other books behind this one. There's other books. So the next book that I'm, I'll contemplate though you're going to like this title. And this book that I'm thinking about putting out. It's called 21 Kyve, how to get through to the hard head without smacking them.

It's a long bio. It's a long title. This primary title is Connect Set Restart. Connect, connect one of, set better examples, restart they're thinking. So it's just like the success story with what I eventually be able to say

And if I could become successful doing with everything that I'll put forth after doing as far as saving the community, getting the gang violins down and gun violence out of the shit. But my biggest problem is the day they don't trust. They still think that I'm doing something or I'm going to do something. Are they waiting on the authorities?

The authorities, kind of commissioners, everybody. You know what you ought to what would be a good one for like high school students or junior high students is a book or not even a book. It could be just a synopsis. It would be 10 or 15, 20 pages. is just the sentencing guidelines. Like, kids have no idea.

Oh, I did have an idea. How much trouble they think, oh, I'm just selling a little meth here, a little meth here, a little meth. You sold meth four times. And you turn around, and they're charging you with like half a Kia meth and you're looking at 25 years,

or you cooperate against these guys, or you plead guilty and take 10 years. and you're like, I'm 19 years old. I've sold four, you know, drugs four times. Yeah, but we also have somebody who said you've been doing this since you were 50. When I was 15, I sold a little here, a little there. I stopped for three years. Nah, it doesn't matter.

We're going to add up everything from 15 to everybody to say it. Right, that what they said. And if you don't, then we'll then go to trial. Yeah. Because you go to trial and we're going to get four of your buddies to testify against you. Or guess what? We'll just hold you without bail and we'll get four guys or three guys. in the jail that don't even don't know you and let them come to court on you and they'll

testify that you told them that a lot of people all they talk about the fed can't you can't beat the fed it's the tactics i remember my federal judge and i was like man i'm not i'm not i'm going to try i remember dudes looking me dead in my eyes and said this is not the state we do herself he'll say yeah i just went by to myself and i'm just like here's that what's that of mine what do you mean i was even can't itself here so it just with anybody say yeah and i Yeah, I figured it out. She was sally. And go get on.

Your cellmate, you, they locked you up for two weeks. You're sally in prison. We'll say, he told me, he told me that he was a part of the conspiracy with that guy. And if you think the feds won't put that sally right in a room and hand you the, hand you the indictment along with all of all the FBI 302s or the DEA 6s and let him read all about your case, you know, they'll put a right. right understand and he'll sit there they'll know blatantly that he's lying because keep in mind even if the even if he got on the stand and turned around and said you know what i am lying he didn't say that the a us a stuck me in a room gave me all the dea sixes let me read up on the case and told me he cut me loose if i testified against it do you know what happened to that that

that u.s attorney and then they could prove that they did remove him and put him in a room and give him all that stuff right do you know what that what happened the u.s. attorney that's right nothing nothing that you would say this is a horrible egregious act that's it don't do that again that's it that's it prosecutorial the damn immunity well people don't kill it can't be prosecuted don't boy i tell people all the time hey just stay state and it'd be it's so crazy because when i was in the state prison i was telling them oh hey gonna take the fed it's gonna get me that's all i was saying well they're gonna take the fed they can't write the gap too that's you know a lot of people

say that a lot of people that go to state prison for selling draws or say shit like they're gonna take the phone going to feed this time i'm gonna fed this time like that that shit a badger on or something i said this stage that's a mistake i said mail for the people you know what there's only one time that only one situation i know of that you're better off in the state or i'm sorry you're better off in the feds is like with like oxycoat like the pills yeah in the state of florida and they changed this like five six years ago they were weighing the pills so the weight so it could be a five milligram pill that weighs that five milligram pills weighs less than a 20 milligram pill but they would weigh the pills and they would

they had a weight scale for well you had this much weight of oxy and they would charge you and so you'd end up getting even though you had a bunch of this one brand that weighed more and they would charge you and you didn't have getting these mandatory minimum sentences of like 10 years, 20 years. But if you were to go to the Fed, they would charge you for the actual milligram of how much it really was. And you'd end up with four or five years as opposed to these ridiculous mandatories. That was right. And that's still if you're first time. Now, if your second time, then of course in the feds, they start tacking on all the, you know, all the different criminal history and you're fucked.

But there's one or two very slim scenarios where you're probably better off. in the fed than you are the state yeah but other than that yeah you're absolutely right you you're right state state state even though the prison let's face it the prisons in the federal system are way nicer than the state prisons right people way nicely yeah yeah yeah people way nice you go to the state prison you got to get you a knife i don't even like hearing about like the guys they're talking about prison he'll tell he would tell prison stories yeah i feel anxious just hearing the stories they i would just i don't even want to hear the story i would Taylor Colby

my brother he was in the state prison he never should have been in prison that's a whole another situation like they literally

sat him to prison for nothing just because his last name was Luke got him 10 year prison 10 year of banishment and we end up fighting and getting

him out getting him out like three years later but he never should have been in prison I remember somebody called me like hey bro

somebody he'll say oh that's my little brother they sent my little brother nine though so I'm like you know watch out for my little brother

basically he's straight he ain't gonna bother nobody he had his own world and, you know, he's good, he's a good kid. They, dude, big old dude, blood dude, pulled up with my little brother. He can't call him and like,

bro, I'm like, who the fuck this dude is? Like, I don't know that way. I, like, bro, he's just going to protect you, so you're good. Like, not that you need it, because you stun on your old too. But I was, like, call, hey, man, make sure my brother's street.

Why are you in now? Like, y'all better watch out for my brother. But he is, it was so crazy because he was in what we call gang land in the state of the joint. He never should have been now. He was only that because they had labeled him out of blood and all this other shit. And he was only there for that, and that was a rough-ass prison.

I was like, you hate to sell his own, too. But, man, never been I had my little brother while he ended up. And he called home, like, bro, this big old dude is just like, like, he's straight, bro. He's just going to watch over you. Like, basically, tell the four, leave me the fuck alone. I don't know them. Well, I don't want to be around them. That's it over with.

But state prison, that's way, way different. Way different. Way different. But the feds to give you some of the time. I'd rather go in there and rush with them gorillas and lions for a few years there. than do 10 years on the 120 miles 240 miles

yeah yeah that's the worst because you get sent these hand you got to do math hey listen they're like 233 weeks you're like oh shit that's said look

how much time is that's 20 I remember when I got sent it and then shows you like you got a hundred and 44 it automatically it me like 12 times 12 hundred 44 like I remember

looking back at my mom my grandma when they were saying they were like this no bullshit they said like count that shit up when I looked back and get everybody would crying

They added that shit That's 20 years They had to add that way Wait wait That's a long time I'd never forget that shit Why all four got there Added that shit up

A little bad at them like this I looked back in where Everybody would cry What happened to them Twelve years I could record that I could go take care of that The 25

The two sisters And all that I couldn't do that Yeah that was just A little too long fuck What else We got anything else? think of talk about let me see trying to see that i anything i could elaborate it on that i

didn't elaborate on you do a book on the federal guidelines yeah i could do a book on that too because they they are very oblivious to def and they're doing a lot of rick or not for that gang shit that's that's kind of like my fight now is trying to keep them from because a lot of people gonna get a lot of time for that shit they're just around you know what i mean they just took a picture with them when they post it on Facebook with them they're going to get a lot of time for it so that's my my fight now is to try to keep the RICO

from just Tangle they're going they're just like the conspiracy bag with the crack epidemic they just now it's just the RICO Act so now I work with like reform you know what I mean which is Mick Mills and Jay Z don't know them but like the person who was over reformed in the state of Georgia I've been working with her

I worked with this organization called a Fender Alumni Association And it's a national recognized organization they combat recivism affront with all right with all credible messages and I just been trying to do a whole bunch of shit

man and just thought that Rico because that shit gonna tap some shit up. What I don't get is that like you could put somebody now with technology, you could put somebody on an ankle monitor and monitor them all the time everywhere. Like it really, there's just no reason

to lock people up with these amount, the amount of time they're locking people up. You're a non-violent offender, like, it don't mean no sense. Yeah. Not only that, you can say, hey, here's where you work. Here's your travel area. Here's where you live. Here's the grocery store you go to.

That's your area. If you go outside of that area, you know what I'm saying? Like, one, it notifies you wherever you're going, but you need to stay in that area. It is, this is going to hurt a lot of people. All the way we would have got it in the Trump would have stayed off. That's the only way we would have. would have got to that. I'll tell you that. That's the only way we get to that is Trump

standoff. This is what I always like to Trump because Trump's going to piss on your tail piss. You're going to get, can't? I don't care. I don't care. I don't know. I don't know. I like Trump. But I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. So I remember this. I remember being in there on. I was in Asheville. And I remember talking to an officer there and he was the head of the on, what the shit, the union shit. He was the head

of the union. He was just like, damn, I need, I need Biden. We need Biden to win. So I hold on time. The guy. The guy out here who were incarcerated, they're cheering for Joe Biden. They won't Biden to be the president. You know, I got to say, right. Wait, somebody right. If the people who owe the prison won't Biden to be president, there's no way I won't Biden to be president.

There's no way. I was like, I asked him, I said, why are you on Joe Biden to be president? He said, come Biden going to give us the money. He said, Trump takes the money away from him. And it deans on me. When I first came in the system, remember they had the three, the three bucks in one sale? Right. Trump, the one told him to take that third bomb about it up.

Trump is the reason why that third bomb. is not in themselves in the moment. If you go back and look at it when Trump became president and he started doing rearranging the federal laws and doing the stuff he was doing, he didn't want to stop that. Biden came in. You heard about nothing else. You heard about nothing

else. Oh, with prison reform now. Well, I mean, Trump signed in, he signed in a law like the the Second Chance Act. He signed like all these things that, and here's what here's what my buddy Pete likes to say. Well, he didn't write that. That was already there. Right. It was It's been there for years.

No president. He signed it. No by the sign. Trump came in and said, yeah, I'll sign it. And he signed the one that said, like, remember, we only, we're supposed to get, you're supposed to get 15% good time. The way they calculated, it's 87.5%. So you were getting screwed out of like, I forget what it was, nine days a year. Yep.

And Trump came in the game. And not only did he sign it, he signed it retroactive. Right. The guys that are in there, you have to give them that time. Yeah, still A and it out. That's the A. So the viewer is literally there's all. All these, you know, was it huge?

Maybe it wasn't huge, but it was all these little things that could have been done the whole time that the Democrats didn't do. No. You know, and I think to me right now, you could alleviate the budget by saying, look, you got a ton of white collar criminals. You got a ton of nonviolent drug offenses that honestly, they know how serious it is. If you put them on ankle monitors, dump some of that money into probation, get some more probation officers, close some prison, close some prisons, dump those guys back out, get them working, you know, because each inmate costs, you know, people will say, oh, it's $32,000 a year. No, that's what they allocate for the prison. Right. What it actually does, it also removes money out of that you're not contributing to society. It really, the figure is over $50,000 a year that incarcerating someone costs the United, or costs society. Let's say. Test bills. Right. So why would I pay $30,000?

something thousand to incarcerate you and lose the money you would be paying in for taxes. Why wouldn't I put you out there have you pay your own stuff and put you to work and have you monitored? I can monitor and piss test you whenever I want to. Whenever you want to and you've got a probation officer. Like that the problem is like no nobody wants to get behind that because so many people make money off the prison. Yes. I'll call it away. So they don't want to get behind that and it's an easy sell if you're trying to get elected. I'm I'm. I'm. I'm hard on crime. Yeah, but you could probably be smart on crime and dump more of that money into education because if you're more educated, I come in a way and readactive instead of pro-active.

So one of my slogas is you can't lock the problem up. You cannot lock the problem. And I can't tell you how many times when I say that, especially if it's law enforcement and it's politicians around when I say that, oh, man, we got to get into a full-fledged argument. But anyhow we use this because they use this analogy with me. If someone shoots you, you don't want them to go to jail. And I say, yeah. I say, but what I want you to do

is let's put something in place for me not to get shot. Because once something's shot, I become a victim. If I die, I ain't no coming back. So let's put something in place before I get shot.

Right. That ain't the conversation they want to have because it got, like you just thought about the money. Now we've got to reallocate some of these funds. We've got to do something different

with this money. We got to come over some different, Preventing the measures we got to put some other things in place. They just not ready for that conversation. They just want to lean on we're going to lock them up. We're going to lock them up. We're going to lock them up. If locking up, hell, draw us one, draw us a guy worse. Yeah. I'll just say, you've been, you've tried that for 30-some-odd years, really, for 40-something-odd years. Right. You've tried, like, let's lock everybody up as long as we possibly can't afford to. And that obviously has not worked. So maybe there's something else. You know, there's a program right now. Um, I forget what it was. It's, I mean, I figure, I don't know the name of it, but it's basically, it's like a bunch of fathers who have kids, but they're fathers and they go into like middle schools and high schools and they're in there and they basically shepherd kids that don't have fathers. I think I seen it. And they, they, they talk to them, they mentor them. And they're in the high, they're, they go in the middle schools at high schools. And then they, of course, they, they, they mentor them outside of high school and everything. But they're like, you know, the, the thing is is like, like, like, like, that those those parental um role models that are missing and let's face it after the let's say your mother and your grandmother were adamant that you were going to do the right thing and pushed you and yelled at you and did everything the fact is by the time you were 13 you were uncontrollable yeah i was to you think a 35 year old woman is going to control a 13 year old boy

he's not he's going to do whatever he wants to do exactly so it's too late yeah you know so i mean they try and get in there early and and they're they're they're curving all the fights and the shootings and the guns and everything that's going on in these communities to like they were having fights they said every day they were having multiple fights every single day at the school these guys came in and they said they had had that fight in like six months in the school right just because they're in there I and one thing like with with a friend alumni association where I work with I have my own organization called owners which they have opportunity to nationally nice society I look into bringing people just like

you because you bid through it see what I'm You've been through it, you know, as exactly you just told me, I didn't think about writing a book about the citizen guideline. They're so, I want to say scared of their reputations or whatever, but they just won't, they don't want to work with us. Right. I don't want to work with the felons that don't been through it. They would rather just stickers over here in this corner and whatever happens.

So, if I tell, I tell, um, organizations I did what we talk about, what would I do with the Farns? I said, I said, oh, bitch, you know, I always say shit. Like, I go get somebody I was in prison and just paid them. be on zoned and teach them people real estate or teach them people stock market same shit that i learned because that's what gave me the different mindset of saying oh god i don't have to sell draw i don't have to rob so if i learn stop market i can make this amount of money if i learn to keep my you know do credit repel make sure my credit is good and i can learn how to flip house i don't

have to sell drawers because when you look at the you look at the mathematic when you just talked about selling drawers is a 24-7 job when you look at the amount of time you spend selling drawers and the amount of money you make it just doesn't ass up so when you get people like i'm still i'm gonna throw incarceration in there oh yeah we that's a whole other different not even i'm gonna say i'm glad you just said that because guess what i'm for real i'm glad you said that because people i would ask me all the time how did i become travis look and i said i don't know i say but it's the worst thing i say people want to be in my shoes so bad right it's the worst thing together because you just talked about the incarceration but i'm going to give you one even deeper if

If somebody wanted to kill me today, I would never see it coming because I've started I've been in a tour with so many different people, different cities, different state. I've been a tour with so many different people. So me choosing their lifestyle, to be becoming leader in the bloods and do all this other shit that I've done. It's like if that door and I slam right now, it's going to shake me up. Any moment, any moment go, I have to live the rest of my life. If it's going to come, I don't know where it's going to come from.

I don't know when karma are going to kiss so to me or they think you killed this person. They think you did this and this person. I don't know when somebody son or a brother may jay, be like, man, I'm going to kid. I don't know what it's going to cost. So I got to live every day in my life like, damn, where it's going to come from? I don't know where it's going to come from. And if we're sitting in a room, Matt, and if somebody gets to moving too much around, you go all right, I'm going to pay attention to everything.

So I got to live my life that way. So we're going to get before you get to that cost. I tell people this all the time. I was more happy and comfortable locked up than I was free. Yeah. Because I could kind of, it was condensed. I could kind of know like it could be him, it could be him, it could be him. Out here, I never know when it's going to come.

I don't know how it's going to come. But just in the back of my head, I never have a relaxed thing. It's the same shit with me losing my fingers. If I grab this book, grab this microphone, shake your hand, shake Cobain, I'm always conscious of my fingers being missing. So I got to constantly every day think about my little brother being. kill. These are the consequences of our actions that we never think about

that these kids don't, they don't calculate until making these bad decisions. You know, I didn't calculate, okay, when I got in the gang, I never knew I was going to become this gang leader. I never knew that I would have a state up under me. I just left Fitzgerald, Georgia, and I was telling them people in Fish

Gerald, like, I don't care how many kids it is, I'm going to come over here and talk these kids and help me kid because I called shots over and I had never been here. It was people under me in this. I never I didn't even know I'd get that without the GPS but I'm over these places I'm over these places around the state that I'd never been to got people looking at me and following door doing shit that they think that I think they should do so you never calculate I'm I was

speaking it on a turn of jaw coat and I had he was a bunch of kids and I'm talking I'm talking this one little kid because I'm very conscious of and I'm going to say he was a teen I'm very conscious of what goes on around me so I'm paying attention paying attention and when we finished spoke he walked over to me. He was from. I ain't going to say what he was from. But he came up to me. And he shut my hand. He looked in my eyes and he said, I forgive you. And I'm like, you forgive me for what? He said, look at me real good. He said, I don't look like somebody. And I'm just looking. It still don't know. I mean, I still don't know what he's talking about. Until like two days later, I was

like, oh, he looked like, and then I go look it up like, oh, this must be his son that's I don't know. He just, kid. I, my, my, my, my. my girl with her, she'll tell you the same thing. And if I couldn't think straight for a few days, because we ain't all been, you're not hard to find. Right. You see what I'm saying? And I don't, I don't know him.

I didn't know what I'd done. He could have called his people and said, I see such as he home. He had all been in, and I don't, I want to know where it come from. I was watching, is it Michael Franciscan, Franciscan? I forget his name, but he's a mobster. And I want to say it was him who said, somebody said, well, there's a, you know, have you heard that there was a hit out on you? And he said, yeah, I've heard that.

And they said, are you worried? He said, no, I'm not worried. He said, I'm not worried about the mobsters that I dealt with and that I knew. He said, because they're at a point where they're not going to do anything. He said, they're at a point where they know me. They know what happened. They understand. He said, my fear is that some young kid, some young guy trying to make his name for himself decides, I happen to know where this guy is and where he's going to be at a certain time and thinks he's going to make a name for himself by taking, by hitting me.

Right. He said, that's my fear. He was, but I don't, I don't live my life. He said, really worrying about it because he said, if it, and he's basically the same thing. He said, because it's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I can't stop.

Right. I get nothing I can do. See, but that's just fear. So your fear is, your fear is of something that you did 20 years ago. Coming back. And not only coming back, because this guy doesn't even have a beef with you. Right. His whole thing is I'm trying to make a name for myself.

Right. I don't have a problem with you. I don't know who you are. I don't really know what happened. But I know that if I'm the guy. It's not son of my bill. Right. They get, is known for killing you.

Then that means something. Everybody will be impressed by that. Like, are you fucking serious? Like, that's what I have to look out for. an absolute fly in the ointment I have no control over no control over no it is there's no way to live I remember I was in this restaurant called Cracker Barer I was in Cracker Bar I was in Cracker Bar eating one time you love Cracker Bear yeah I'm sure I jade a beast I do I did I had we Jeff and I eat there a lot

Well I'm more comfortable with Cracker Bear but I like it So I'm in Crackle Bear and I'm in there eating and this later walk on me out of the blue. And she was like, I think you should leave a restaurant. I'm like, shit, I ain't going know what you mean. I'm kidding. I ain't going to know. I ain't going to go. And she was like, so you ain't going to leave. So one of us got to go. And I'm just like, I don't miss you.

And she said, you're supposed to be response before my son being killed. Or I said, huh? I don't even know who. I don't know who you here. I don't know your son there. But it didn't surprise me because my reputation always made the police ask do you know Travis Luke right so something happened

do you know I don't even yet these people question my old hallboy got killed they went to his mama and basically tried to make her feel like I had something to do with it like the police in my city

just always travel Luke Travis Luke Travis Luke Travis Luke Louis is always me so every time something happened they bring in my name or so people going to be like damn Well, maybe he, why are he saying his name? Oh, well, people, and people, people will create a situation. Yes.

That is completely, it, completely wrong just based on a hunch because they want to justify in their mind that they know what happened. Yeah. Instead of saying, I don't know what happened. I'd heard this. I heard that. But I don't really know what happened. You know, how many times does somebody end up going to prison for, you know, a life sentence? Because three people think they know what happened and come to find.

out it was a vagrant that was passing through the area and then a DNA test shows that that person raped and killed somebody that you're in prison. That's like, I would, we're, in the interview I did, the guy he's now a lawyer up in New York fucking kid who's like 15 years old who happened to, who's kind of an outcast, you know, he's kind of a geeky kid who knew, had a, had a couple classes with another, another student, right, a middle school student and was at. At home, playing with some of his friends in his little apartment complex, a mile or two away from where this girl cut through the woods and ended up getting raped and murdered. So they did a profile of who it is and that the profile was absolutely wrong.

It's definitely somebody who knows her because she was covered. It's definitely. So they knew her, probably one of her friends, probably somebody from the high school, probably somebody who's an outcast. go and start talking to kids at the high school they say well look you know there is this kind of one kid he's a little off they and they know each other they have them classes and you ask him he's like yeah i did know her like i knew her she was in a couple classes like we knew enough to say i that was it i'm never had a conversation well the cops get him he's 15 years old they get him in a room they keep him in the room for eight hours they eventually get him to a point where he basically he's in tears he's

crying he's on the floor they convince him to plead guilty because if if he doesn't say he's did it then the cops are going to hurt him that are outside waiting for him so he ends up saying yes and they say you just say you're yes you can go home we'll figure it out later try basically say this so I can get you out of the building

he says yes he doesn't get out of the building they arrest him he goes to jail he ends up maybe he was 17 16 or 17 yeah yeah 16 so he ends up going to jail he ends up going to trial

because now once he gets a lawyer he's like I didn't do this there's seaman there by the way which they're saying was his semen. They test the semen, come back and say, okay, it's not his semen. But the girl was promiscuous. Now they're lying about the victim.

The prosecutor said she's promiscuous. She had sex with this boy earlier that she was dating. Never test the boy. So he goes to trial. He loses. He appeals it. He appeals that like the Supreme Court won't hear it. He does a search of what they call it.

They deny it. um he's in jail he's writing letters he writes letters to the uh innocence program they turn him down three times eventually codis comes online they tested the DNA against him it was it was it said it wasn't him they just put it on somebody else but there was no codis there was nothing to compare it other than him so finally he begs and pleads and somebody at the innocence program some low level lawyer who had just come there eventually says can we at least tested against codis they tested against codis turns out it's a vagrant that was that came across her in the woods raped her murdered her they never looked for him he ended up killing a school

teacher six months or a year later that had like three kids got convicted of that crime went to prison they they connect them and find out guess what it was him had the cops done their job one he wouldn't have to spend 16 years in prison plus the middle of millions of dollars they had to pay him. Right. And on top of that, they might have caught him before he murdered the school. Right. But those cops were so sure.

They made this, they had a hunch based on a bad, a bad profile. They found someone that they felt fixed if and they framed him. Like that used to police. Yeah. So what is what is what regular mother do whose son died and she hears a little here. Here's a little here. A little bit of conjecture starts swarer when next thing she knows, she knows

for sure you did it. Especially with my reputation. Right. Definitely did it. Yeah, you did it or you ordered it or you told so. And then so-so did it on your... That's it. Whatever. That's it. That's just like when I was telling you by the gang taff was can in my eyes. They slammed my little brother. Right. So back to the interrogation, I've been interrogated

someone time. It's just to give me my lawyer. So now, whatever happened from this to point don't mean nothing. But they give me that out of time. They always understand what they say you you go to sleep if you guilt no i'll sleep because i've been in this room for four hours right now i just particular time at rumble i fell asleep and now as soon as i fall asleep they were rushing to the room making all this noise rackers i jump up and like hey if y'all attention will make y'all kill me in here like i didn't do the shit they were trying to put

they were trying to put something on me that i had nothing to do with it was i just had had nothing to do with the shit you know what i mean like yeah i just they would try to put something over me that i had nothing entirely to do it and they just were for sure that i had because i was there and i left i was at the club and i just happened to lead early so they just felt like i ordered it to happen and it just was a big situation but it's like i had nothing to do with it but they were for sure that i had something to do with they basically tried to bully me in the cause i had i ever what i'm what i'm a little tip can i call my lawyer i got a real lawyer you're call my lawyer they went let me call my lawyer they kept my mind of my cell phone to just

say keep me out with nothing so they're just right it's the it's the it's the police is man like they i don't know all of them i won't say all of them were bad but like you said one thing can caught that story in their head that just it and it was the same thing i'm telling me every time something happened i would just go and then this up in an older age i something happened i just go wait at my grandma's because i know they're coming right i just go see them my grandma's like they say such a certain happened or somebody got killed somebody should be stopping by any man yeah they'll be here they come and it's crazy but they were just ride up and down the street one car until they get the rest of them over there because they had a rule where no police officer

approached me by themselves they all we had to come with the force like with the task force they wasn't allowed to even my parole officer when i got out of state prison he because he i sit in his crazy i seen him out of duty and he was just like man these people just like you're such a bad do like you ever notice when i when i come to your house to report i always have two or three gang and tar for cars i was like yeah i know he's just like i was ordered to never approach you or never come to your community or your neighborhood rather by myself so i always have to alert the guy in tass for us they don't come in over and they just basically come over park up and down the street why you report why why did i come by the chicken resident i just like i don't

i don't know bro now look you at this point how long have you been out uh two years years. I've been out of the halfway house. I got out of the halfway house last year and me. My sister and brother-in-law are friends with a federal judge. And he told my sister, he said, if he makes it past the first year, he said he's going to be, he's all right. He said, the first year is the absolute hardest guys. Yes. Yes. He said after that, they pretty much have figured something out to survive and he'll probably be okay. You got to think about it. I've been heard about your podcast for a while and i was like bro i'm gonna do the podcast i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i just got to get because i was stealing at that stage is trying to figure out like boy shh it's

something don't happen soon and just trying to figure it ran no i i you know what i mean but i just like i because i don't want to bring no type of heat your way you know what i mean so like i once i get my shit together no i'm gonna do the right thing got something to sell i'm gonna do the park because like you say that first year it's like not right now man Yeah, I'll get with you later, but not right now, man, because I'm probably 50-50 by to do something. Right. Something got to give. But that first year, but even, I'm telling you, even now, I got boundaries in our schools just to even tell my store and help these kids. I'm just not getting my first couple contract with a turn to school with a fresh start program and DJJ out of. And I've been doing this October of this year, a year. I've been eating hard every day consistently.

me where they just like they didn't trust me you gonna do something or the crazy thing they were saying i'm gonna recruit some games what what yeah from from from from the people i'm talking to like you don't think i couldn't walk out my front door and recruit some like you really don't understand it's like and they don't they don't have a clue i promise you they they don't have a clue about and that's the sad part about that's what we talked about earlier about them bringing their people such as us you know what they don't be in through it instead of on wasting out of these millions and millions of dollars on nothing. Right.

They should be allocating them foreign toward us and letting us go in and deal with these kids, like the fathers. If no fathers, some of them probably been in prison, some of them might have been through something, but they bring somebody in like me and you, they got some type of financial knowledge that's been to prison, they could tell them a story and they could see it. Like, you, you may not look at it, but man, we probably went through this when you got out. People probably just like, look at you. I'm like, he'd been in prison.

Like, it's just me? Yeah. Yes. your demeanor I was soft I was soft as butter at all you still got prison on you you still got prison on you man

you like one of the first honestly the first year you're gonna be chained saw a butt off of butt which one you want the first year the first year or so I everybody that I met that I knew prior to prison

all of them actually said stuff just like they're like you're way more aggressive than you ever were before like you're your shorter temper you're just and I'm thinking

Again, are you, like, compared to the guys that I was locked out with, I'm like, are you serious? Like, on the masculine scale, they were a 12. Right. And I was, I might as well be wearing a dress. Like, you know, like, you get out here among everybody and it's like, I'm now an eight. You know, it's so soft. And of course, let's face it, it's 10 times softer getting out of prison than it was before I went in. Because now, people don't know if they're guys or men or women or, you know, you don't know.

It's so, the society is so confused right now. Very. It's, so it's like, you've got to be kidding me. But, yeah, but I mean, I, you know, obviously, you know, I don't think I'm, of course, now I'm so, so relaxed and, you know, gain a little bit of weight. I'm sleeping in a little bit later. I'm actually not sleeping in. I was up at like, like 4.30? Yeah, this morning.

No, I wake up. It doesn't matter if I go to bed at 10 or 11. I'm up at 4.4.30. The guards turn the lights on at 5. At 5. You know, my brother, my brother was rolling in old. I was headed out to the gym. At four, for the first year I got out at about four o'clock, just before four o'clock every day, I get anxious.

Like I felt like I need to be. You got to be yourself waiting. I'm fighting with it now. That's, yeah. And I kept waiting because, you know, after 13 years, I kept waiting. And I really genuinely felt like any day now they're going to come and say, Mr. Cox turn around. You know, like, we, like they fucked up and let me out. Like it was an accident.

That's how bad, like I, and that, that took maybe, I'm going to say six months. Maybe it was six months to a year. But I genuinely kept feeling like they were going to, like something was going to happen. They were like, yeah, listen, turns out we made a mistake. And that took about a year or so. Because you still had a good little bit of your sentence before you got out. Yeah, I was, it wasn't quite 13 years. I did a little over, like 12, almost 13.

I want you to add a little before you got released. when I got released in 2019, 2019, you know, so in July. So in July, it'll have been, this July, it'll be five years, and I'll be off probation. Right. Which is another thing that hinders you, you know, I can't travel, I can't, you know. And it's because I have a financial crime. I, I, they're all to all every, you know, like most people, you know, you know, you fill out your report right every month you feel you know hey how it should make maybe this much made

this much me it's i made this much here's where it came from here's copies of my bank statements here's copies of my fucking you know it's just non stop it's it's like it's all these four you got to mail out this because that form on the computer doesn't doesn't allocate for getting a check for a keynote speaking it doesn't allocate because you know it's made for somebody who has a w2 job right it's not made for somebody who got $1,000 here, $500 here, $1,700 from here. You know, because no one place come, no, you know, no one thing pays all the bills. So you can't put that. It's got two places. Nothing on that form. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's not pain. The career to all of me is the last time I see my federal probation officer was January. My state probation officer.

Was that every month? He just haven't, I haven't came out to the house. I haven't seen. So in my mind, I think they're trying to give you enough rope to hang yourself. You know what I mean? Because I don't see him. And I think when I seen him that one time, I went to find him. Like, what's up? I mean, like, oh, you're straight. Oh, I got eyes and ears everywhere if you do something I catch.

Not my state probation mouse. That lady right now? Oh, she would thank you to federal probation dogs. They probably know why they probably did she got it. Because this lady were her to death. You get me? But my federal, I haven't seen, I haven't seen, dude. I don't even remember.

dual name. I don't. Honestly, I haven't seen dual since I think he's just, the mafia will call me and be like, where are you? I'm like, I'm at home. This is what happened last time. She goes, I'm at, I go, I'm at home. She said, well, I just drove by your house. Your car's not there. And I said, and I went, I sold my car last month. I sold it like three, four months ago. Right. And she's like, why did you sell your car? I said, because I never use it. I'm paying $600 a month for a car that I never use. And I never leave my house anymore. Right. And she was like, well I'm going to be there in five minutes I said well I'll be here I was like it was like a backup well she came in she walked there she's super nice right she had a recruit with her like somebody

she's she's training and like they came in we talked for a little bit and they walked around she kind of looked around and opened a couple doors and said all right see you I was like all right see her she's like cool she's so much better she's way better than my the first year I had a probation officer she I would you know are they different levels of this chick she's coming by every single month calling me in every few months having me do a piss test every time she comes by i'm doing a piss test like i don't have a drug charge i don't have a drug problem pee in this cup like what's going on i haven't never been are you serious that's so fucking unfair you're you're you're chewing up cracking shit you can't you can't you can't you can't like family they have never i'm

telling you i i really believe they try to get me to hang myself because i'm telling my probation. I forgot his name. I don't even know his name. I can see the man and said January. I don't even remember his name. I don't want to say mine because the first year I was on probation. I said the name. I said her, I just said her first name on a podcast and like it came out like two days later she called me up and she goes, Mr. Cox. And I said, yeah, she says, I see she is I see you did concrete, which is the podcast I did. She said, I see you did concrete recently. And I said, yeah, I did. She said, Mr. Cox, I don't want to be. Famous. Do you understand? She said, I would appreciate if you don't mention my name again. I said, you know what? My bad. I don't know what I was thinking. I'm embarrassed that you know, I need to be nice to this woman. I can't get her on my bad side. Like I'm like, I'm embarrassed that you had to call me. Right. I don't, you know, you know, I started talking. I don't even think. I don't even realize, you know, how time I stopped thinking. You can, you know, when I realize that, oh, right, the cameras are right there because I'll, I straighten up. Right.

And then as we talk, it's just after just talking, and then I realized, oh, wait, Your Honor, my wife told me you need to straighten up and hold your shoulders back. So, the posture, yeah, straighten your arm. I wore this orange. I don't usually wear orange, but I wore orange for you. Well, you want to make you feel like I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to say what you, man. Amar and listen, I'm already trying to meet, shall I say the wrong thing. That's why all my story's like, ah, I don't get other with it.

We might already have a problem just because we said drugs, the word drugs so many times with being monetized. Right. And then you said, I like Trump. That's probably, algorithm's going to be like, oh, now. I already feel like I'm shadow banned because I had some Trump paintings up here. Yeah. I do. Shadow, yeah, I had to take those down.

I don't know what happened. I feel like I got shadow bands for that. Probably did. Fine. That's fine. All right. Anything else? We good.

So you want me to put any links in the description box? Yeah. You know, like we can put links in the description box. And, yeah, that's it, right? Put some links. What are the links for your book? What else? Do you have the book on Amazon?

I have the e-book version on Amazon, but I got another website for the book in my merch. So the on the website, the link for that will be following the conscious that were for the link for that. And just on our social media platform is, I am. him Travis Luke. The one name that I was trying to get rid of, I was just like, fucking, I'm just going to keep it. Like, why don't you have this in a physical copy on Amazon? You are on it? You on the truth? Yeah. I'd be bullishing. Oh, okay. I didn't need to get it put them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just, I would, I said, I talked to a guy who told me, oh, well, they don't do that. I went, what? He was no, on Amazon, you can only do eCopy. I was like, no, you can go back into the KD, KDP or whatever it's called. Go back on there. You get, there's a button you can click. That's it. And he came back. He was like, I can't believe it. He's like to do it.

I'm going to do it while I'm on the road if I can get my iPhone work, but I'm going to do it while I'm on the road. But I, one thing I have to say, even just bed back around you, just listening to you, like,

I see some stuff that I need to take to get my shit. You know what I mean? Push forward to it because I think I get stuck and trying to do too many things at one time, you know what I mean? Instead of just getting ton of vision

on one thing or two things is just stay and focus on it. That's what I'm going to work on put, making shit I get to put on on. Well, the e-book version is on Amazon, but I'm going to make sure I get the hard kind of put on. Because I know it's just like seizures and butter.

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