Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - What’s Next for SBF & Diddy? | ESCAPE PLAN EXPOSED!

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

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Sam Baker. Sam Bacon Free is currently in prison. We're to trial because he says he's not guilty, even though when you lay out exactly what he did and you listen to him explain what he did, he's 100% guilty. Like he's one of these guys that he's like the, or he's typically the smartest guy in the room. And so nobody questions him. And I guess he thought he was going to go to trial, get on the stand or do whatever, and just explain away what was what had happened with FTX. So he thought he was going to explain. Oh, his lawyers, he wouldn't listen to him.

while he was out on bond, he was doing podcasts. He's doing interviews and podcasts. His lawyers are screaming. What are you doing? Stop doing. And there he's answering pointed questions. He's like, no, no, no. You don't understand what we did.

What we did was we released this cryptocurrency that we were getting. And he tried to explain it. And then as you're, as people would ask him questions, he would try and spin it. And then they'd be like, Sam, in your operating agreement, you said you would not do this. but then you did and you go no whoa whoa and then you try to explain it and you're like I understand what you're saying but that's not what the operating group is that's not what happened yeah you're you're lying like and so he's not used to that because he's running the company surrounded himself by yes men who were making big money for not doing nothing so he then went to

trial and once again thought oh I can spin it I'll be able to get this goes to trial loses it gets 25 years now he's in prison I believe he's probably he's probably appealing his case which is another mistake. Because on a large case, there's always going to be issues, right, appealable issues, whether or not there you can prove to the court that those appellable issues would have resulted in less time is another matter. So he's appealing his case. He's being held right now.

I believe he's in BOP custody or Marshall's custody. Either way, he's in the same unit as Diddy. Tucker Carlson had like a primetime show, and he also was an anchor for Fox News. They eventually fired him. He got into multiple times. There were a couple lawsuits against him. And eventually they let him go. Maybe he quit.

I don't really know exactly what happened. But I believe that there were some issues that they parted away. He then started his own podcast, and it brought in huge numbers. And so now he's kind of a conservative. hosts that interviews other people and he's a little bit like he's interviewed Putin he's it's like it's amazing because he's kind of I don't want to say he comes off very silly sometimes right like smart but he laughs about stuff like we just watched that one video like he's laughing about diddy and no tell him tell him we said I see diddy yeah it's like yeah bro like that's probably not

like I'm not sure you want to be laughing and in the same sentence as diddy but yeah he so he ends up interviewing Sam Bankman Freed and so they have remote visitation so what happens is he

does an interview with him and the next day Sam Bankman Fried gets thrown in the shoe so I don't think a lot of people realize that me being a high profile inmate in federal prison, I was in Coleman Lowe, in general, not just

me, but in general, you have to, you have to, it's called a, it's called a public information officer. So there's a staff member that is the public information officer for Coleman, for the whole compound, the whole, you know, in Coleman, there's two, two pins, a medium, a low, and a camp. that whole they have one one guy who determines whether or not you can be interviewed and then he sits in on the interview because I've been interviewed multiple times by newspaper reporters by media like I've been brought down to the warden's office or assistant warden's office and interviewed this guy sat here the whole time been interviewed by reporters this guy sat in the in the thing the whole time what and just sat there and listened well I've also been interviewed like Sam Bankman Freed, not remotely, where I just got on the phone and talked to the person who was a reporter, but they never caught it. But you were supposed to get permission to be interviewed by this guy. Obviously, Sam Bankman-Fried did not get permission.

And so once the Bureau of Prisons, the BOP saw the interview, they came and they arrested him. I mean, arrested him. That's what we would call it in prison. We also, you don't call the, you go into jail. You don't call the COs in prison, right? You don't call them guards or COs. You call them cops. Hey, where's the cop?

They're not cops. This is a fair. You know, but you call them cops. And then you say, yo, bro, he got arrested, bro. Like, he went to the shoe. Yeah, yeah. What matter? Oh, he in jail.

Yeah, he in jail. Yeah, but we're already in jail. It's so funny, too. Like, I'm lucky because when I got out, I would say stuff like that. I had to constantly stop myself. And now I'm at the point where I say COs, the shoe, whatever. but yeah so he got he he i have no doubt he was they called him one day you know how it works the the lieutenant walks in ceo walks in talk to you and him hey that's out to you cox come here for a

second of course in the low or or the medium they call you down to like the lieutenant's office and you'd be like what is going on no that's never a good thing yeah no no he's he's never calling you to wish you happy no no he's never saying hey wanted to let you know wow you're doing a great job here is that all your game time yeah that's crazy wow you've been giving you a raise on your job it's not what's happened a whole nickel so you go down there and then uh and so yeah typically you go down there and they go you know cox yes come here stand here yeah yeah what's up and then they go did you and then they whatever such and such and such say such and such and do such and such a cop who is this that you called and then they'll play some fucking

thing. You're like, oh, that's, that's my brother. How come you called? You know, and then they'll ask you something. And you're like, yeah, this is what happened. They're like, oh, okay, turn around. Cuff up. No, but what happened? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And then next thing, you know, you got some other fucking CEO walking behind you and putting cuffs on you and then they walk you to the shoe and they put you in the shoe and you still don't know what the fuck you did. No, we'll look into it, which means you're about to sit. Two weeks from now, you're going to get a, you're going to get called out maybe in two weeks they'll call you out and call you into a little room and sit down and it'll be some other guy you don't really know he's like okay what did you do again you're like

fuck i've been here two weeks what do you mean what do i do again so i can't tell you almost every time i've been to shoe i had no idea why i went and took a well that's not true one time i knew exactly what it was and they let me out the next day um i don't know even know why they threw me why they locked me up every time i went to confine and i knew exactly why oh Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was definitely a, well, I was an athlete. So I'm on the football field. I'm on the basketball.

I ran with that circuit of guys. I wasn't in the law libraries or anything. I ran with that circuit. And because I went with that athletic, so it was always something on the basketball court, something on the football field, something on the. Oh, an argument? Arguments.

Yeah, you know how we are. It's two to three. We're going to play another game, but this game is important. Every game is the championship. every single game is the championship they would have uh you know what they used to have at coleman um they had flag uh flag football no flag football is not what you think it is in in prison yeah these guys it's aggressive flag football yeah guys are still shirts are getting torn

this fights kicking falling over banging slamming in to each other yeah yeah it's aggressive non-context war. It was so bad that I think they made him stop doing it. They had a relay race one time where the guy broke his ribs because he dove. One part of the relay was, is you jumped on a slip and slide. Slipp and slide. I don't even know why they would include that. And as you went on a slip and slide, you had to grab a little, a flag or a whatever.

It was just a piece of cloth. So they had a line and you had slid under it and you had to grab it and then you would win. This guy ran the whole way. And when he got to the part where you go, he dove up in the air and came down. It's like you understand the slip and slide, which is really just plastic, right? Some garbage bags with water on some concrete. You do understand that it is, it was on the shell, um, a track. Like this is basically might as well be concrete.

You just jumped three feet in the air. now going to fall four feet onto concrete and slide broke his ribs well these aren't the smartest no gangsters um anyway so yeah

SBF did a whole thing on with Tucker Carlson got throwing the shoe I wonder if he knew well did you see there's I don't know if I did I text it to you there is a he had a kind of a game plan for him to come out

it's a bankman had a Google document with ideas to get him out of all of this and number three was go on Tuckle Carlton and come out as a Republican I texted you the document there's like there's like 14 different things that he you know is this what is this legitimately this is what coffee Zilla tweeted so I tried to go in the Twitter to see like any responses and say like this is fake or this is real I didn't see anything but this was posted by CoffeeZilla, who did some reporting on the whole type of thing as well. On Tucker Carlson, he was saying that it was in bankruptcy, and if they'd allowed me to

continue, it would have this. That's irrelevant. You're, you're borrowing funds, you're borrowing funds from money that investors had put in that you specifically said you would not borrow from. Like, you're using funds that were supposed to be secured in order to make loans to another company like the whole thing is it's a big Ponzi scheme you know it's a big that's the words that were going to my head sounds pumped yeah it's it's it's he's moving the you know I'm saying he's moving the cups with the with the you know and in the end he's saying if you just let me keep going I wouldn't have it wouldn't have collapsed at all I would have made the money back I would have stopped that's what that's what everybody that runs a Ponzi scheme says

if I just had a couple good months I could have made all that money back yeah I understand but for the last four years you've been lying to people you've been paying new investor or you've been paying old investors with new investor money or you've been borrowing out of the new investor money to pay the old investors or you've been borrowing from funds that you know a Ponzi scheme typically means that you're you're taking new investors money and you're paying dividends to old investors but it can they also tend to use it where people are investing in some kind of a fund and you're you're taking money out of that fund for other reasons Maybe you're not repaying investors.

You're just taking that money out to do anything. Or it's, you know, co-mingling funds or it's, it's, and then they, he's doing all of that. He's running a Ponzi scheme. He's embezzling funds. He's, you know, he's doing all kinds of things with these. You know, he's borrowing against funds that are supposed to be secured. He's doing all kinds of stuff that is completely illegal. There's no one specific scam that he was running.

I don't know. I kind of like them. Yeah. Yeah, there's no. Yeah. So, yeah, sent us the 25 years, and he was ordered to pay 11 billion. How many years? 25.

And in order to pay 11 billion in forfeiture, billion, like. With a B. Yeah. He's good for it, bro. He's good for it. Look at the guy's hair. A guy with hair like that. So how long do you think he'll do on 25 years?

If he doesn't get any time knocked off? Yeah. 21? Yeah. No, because... Oh, if he doesn't get any time, not going. It's a B. No, no, even...

You're thinking 15% off. I'm saying he's allowed to get up to another, like, 30% off because of the First Step Act. Second, First Step Act? Yeah, that's... I've heard it before. Yeah. So the First Step Act says that if you program, you can earn...

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't know what it is, 20 or 30% off. It's a... toward halfway house but the problem thing is you get the halfway house or home confinement so you leave they put an ankle monitor on you and you're allowed to basically live your life i'm i'm allowed to go the grocery store i'm allowed to go to work i'm a lot to go to church i'm allowed to go to the gym you know like while i'm on my so i could do five or 10 years so he might end up doing 15 years or maybe 14 years on 25 because he's whatever it is he's going to get

he's been locked up like four years right two years yeah two years yeah two years I think he was out on bond for six months or a year before they yanked his bond for just being stupid. So right now he's still fighting his case. Is that right? I believe he's appealing. He kind of like in that holding cell. Like when do you think it'll eventually happen where he goes to actual prison? Yeah, yeah.

I'm shocked that like, here's the thing. I know guys that have spent six, seven years in like the marshals holding the marshal's holdover while they're fighting their case. but typically what happens is they move them almost immediately. Now, in his case, he may have made a, he got found guilty sentenced. And in his case, his lawyers may have petitioned or made a motion to judge saying, can you please hold him here so we have access to it? Because if you move this guy to Coleman, Florida, or you move him, you know, you move him to Talladega. Like, we're in New York, Your Honor.

You know, if he gets moved to Lawn Park, California, how are we going to be able to work with this guy? For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery.

Now we can actually go and keep in mind, too, these lawyers are bilking the hell out of his family. These lawyers are just, you know, And his family, I'm sure, no doubt, is raising money from friends and relatives. So these guys are, we're a normal lawyer. If you're a public defender, they're like, yeah, yeah, just send him to prison because we don't want to have to deal with this guy all the time. But these lawyers are billing the shit out of him. So they're like, I'll spend the next four years visiting this guy.

Because every time I go, it's a couple thousand dollars here, a couple thousand dollars there. I go there, I spend two, I spend three hours. I bill them for, I billed $2,000. And then I go back and I work on all this stuff. I'm billing $600 an hour. like I'm making $10, I'm making $5,000 to $6,000 a day with this guy being close. And he, of course, is constantly saying, we're going to come. When are you going to come back again?

So he wants me to keep coming back. So that's going to drag this whole thing out. So, but if he gets moved to Coleman, I'm doing this all on a phone call. I'd rather not do it on a phone call. And then the loved one gets far, far off. And the love gets less and the appeals get spaced out more. They want them close. Yeah.

Yeah. And the family, yeah, I was going to say the family, too, they're not able to see them as much. They don't have that pressure. And the lawyers are constantly telling them, like, yeah, once we file this motion, or I feel good about this, or this is a good argument. This is the truth is they know. They know. He's done, bro.

You got 25 years. You're a billion dollars. So what do you think him and did he? Like, do you think they talk much? I mean, I listened to the podcast. He said they talk a little bit. He said he's nice. but like so in a normal

I know this is like a special prison for high high profile inmates but in a normal federal prison would someone like SBF and Diddy be talking hanging out I think Diddy in a normal federal prison

well one depending on how much time Diddy gets I don't necessarily know that they'd end up they would eventually end up at the same spot it's very possible they end up at the same spot but initially I think Diddy will get so much time he probably ends up at a medium because of his charges. If he gets 20 or 5 or 30 years, he'll end up at a medium initially.

Maybe he may just go, no, he'll end up at a medium. Why are they going to give him time? Who did he? Yeah, when did he do? That's illegal. Well, when they raided the houses, they found guns that were in his possession that had, they had like the serial numbers were defaced. This is your house.

You live here. These are your guns. guns you how many were there multiple i know there are multiple i think one was an AK 47 or some kind of an assault rifle maybe four maybe it doesn't matter it's like 25 year mandatory minimum you have an AK 47 with a and it may not i believe but one of them was an assault rifle even if it's just a handgun you're in trouble you can't have guns that have or weapons that have that are defaced it's a problem what else was it so um the other things are they have to text messages and supposedly

the recordings where he is having other people so you've got people that work for you who are acquiring I'm going to say prostitutes right sex workers in other states that you're paying to fly in to perform sexual acts

and you have you have text messages to back it up and you have people that are willing to get on the stand and you have the sex workers that are saying yes I was in California or I was in whatever you know I was in I don't know Texas or New York and I was flown he flew me across the country to go to a party where I was gonna have where I had sex with him and four other people okay well that's that's that's it's that's sex trafficking like that's a definition of sex traffic even though you can sit here and say there's a prostitute does it matter they they went they cross state lines you knew it was a

prostitute that's the point the prostitute this isn't prostitution it's now it's sex traffic. And there's multiple of those. Once again, those are big charges. Now, the other charges, there are alleged charges, which he hasn't been charged for, which is like underage kids, but we don't know any of that's true. But he hasn't been charged for any of that. People, that's a big thing. There's videotapes that show him with underage this and under, that's, that's all allegations. That's not what's on in the RICO. And what they're saying is that he ran an organization, his record label, that not only engaged in sex trafficking, but then supposedly used his influence to threaten and coerce witnesses to not testify against him

or work with the government. And the key mind, this is, it's very, this is not a there's a lot of accusations there's a lot of people ready to get on the stand but it's such a leap to say that your his that his um record label is a is an organization that was designed to do this like that's what they're really kind of saying he's using it as an organization to do sex trafficking like come on man stop it bro stop stop you don't need to do it that I don't think that's true at all I think you've got an organization that this is his business and I think there's something he did on the side. But by using Rico, they'll be given some really big

charges. Right. So, do I think he broke the law? I think he broke the law. Do I think he deserves time? I think he probably deserves time. Maybe he deserves 10. I think if he took a take a plea for 10 or 15 years right now, he should take it. The problem is they're trying

to give him like 30, 40, 50 years. Why do you think it deserves 10 years? I think if you've got those guns. Here's the three counts. By the way. Count one, Diddy racketeering conspiracy, count two, sex trafficking by force, fraud, corrosion. Coorsion. Count three, Diddy, transportation to engage in prostitution?

Are the three, this is just off the news website that were listed. Right. So those are, okay, when I say I think that he should take those charges, it's not because I think, because let's get rid of the child, those, let's get rid of the underage children accusations. okay? Because we do not know that those are true. So let's just go with what they're saying. He's flying in professionals, right, to commit acts, and he's paying them. It's illegal. So that's the charge, right? And those people are ready to testify saying that they were threatened and coerced with weapons. Yeah, I don't think that's the case. Well, I'm telling you what they're

charging. And he's got the weapons. So if they're saying, well, yeah, yeah. So they're saying, and the weapons are weapons that are defaced. We don't know how you procure them. They're not in your name. And those are these types of weapons. The reason they don't like these weapons are that we can't track and they're disposable. I only bought that weapon so I could use it on you and get rid of it. It doesn't come back to me. Even if it's found later, it doesn't come back to me. I didn't buy it in my name. You don't know how it got here. You don't even know if you can track that weapon at all because it's been defaced we don't even know that you're going to figure out where it came from even if you find it and i bought it legally you can't tie me to that weapon

because i bought one and it was stolen well we think this is the weapon doesn't have a serial number on it so you see them saying so so what they're saying is and that's the whole riko section right like it's all interconnected what i'm saying is why do i think if he could get 10 or 50 years he should take it i'm saying that not because I think he deserves to go to jail. I don't, personally, based on the charges and what probably really happened, I don't think he deserves 10 or 15 years. Maybe he deserves five or 10, whatever.

I do think that he's got a thug mentality, and I think he threatened people. I think he's got defaced weapons, and there's no reason for you to have those weapons. I think you've threatened people. And I think you've threatened, he's coerced and threatened witnesses. that bothers me you know what I'm saying it bothers me you and I have a dispute you threaten me whatever it is you know you you the police come you get arrested and then you go to my family or you send people to my house and you absolutely not let's let the courts take care of it you don't have people contact these people you don't send people like he's he's he's not somebody

who's following the rules so I don't think any of those powerful people follow the rules right So I think if he could get 10 or 15 years, if he could get 20, he should take it because he could probably be out in 12. But because my whole thing is if you think you're going to go to trial and win this against the feds, you're going to end up with 40 years. He's going to end up with 40 years and he's going to wish to God he'd taken 15 and done less than 10, nine years. I think Diddy and his pride, he won't want to cop out to anything.

That's what everybody says. I think he would rather lose. you're right that well i think he doesn't think he can lose right well he's been on top of the everything for yeah big powerful people like that and the bill cosby and all that that perversion sent us around their ego well you know the other thing is his keep in mind too everybody's like oh he's got the best lawyers listen bro i don't think people realize what lawyers are these lawyers will milk you they'll tell you things knowing you're done your best bet right now we got an offer on the table right now for 12 you should take it instead yeah they're

offering you 12 bro i'm telling you if we go to trial fuck them let's i'm telling you we can beat this we let's fight and let's fight hard give me another 300 000 you know if you already gave me 300 give me another 300 let's go to trial let's go to trial and then when you lose we're gonna peel it we're gonna peel this that's that's bs i'll tell you that too we can beat this in the appellate court you know how unfair that was did he yeah man they were they were against us. Yeah, give me another $200,000. And the truth is, these guys know they're losing at every single. By the time they're done, they've got a million dollars out of you over the next three years. Bledger drive. And honestly, the lawyers are doing very little to work. Parallegals

are doing most of the work. And so you're done. You're done and you don't know any better. It's the way of the world. And keep mind, too, like you said, these guys are, he's, you're on an inmate phone, he's buying minutes from other inmates. You seem like it's, what do you, you know, you just can't follow the rules. So, yeah. And he hasn't followed the rules for I don't know how long. Right.

He's not going to start now. So far it's been working for him. But the problem is with the feds, it typically doesn't work for you. It doesn't. Not, not feds. Fed's a state is different. No, you can win at the state because it's a state level. unfortunately the state plays by the rules the feds don't and people think the feds play by the rules and the state doesn't i was just thinking it was the opposite it's the exact opposite the state is actually more fair than the feds when it comes to court i just recently got some uh the air pod maxes

Oh my gosh They're nice They are the most perfect headphones Yes I've ever put over my ears Yeah I didn't buy them myself Because I was like I'm not going to spend that much money on headphones How much were they?

They're $600 They're like yeah I think I thought 500 Yeah I don't My God Yeah I wouldn't So I know somebody who knows somebody Fell off a truck

That fell off a truck Out of state 250 I got these things for. I bought, I bought, I bought, uh, I bought, uh, I bought two for two 50 for Ali Express. The, uh, and they just weren't as, they weren't as, they didn't have that wow factor. When you put these things on your head at Best Buy, you just put them on and you just think, okay, it's a pair of headphones.

You put it on and they have the noise canceling and it's just like, like you'd be, I can see your mouth moving and wouldn't even hear you. Noise cancelling. They're super comfortable. Um, just how they're shaped. Their iPhone. They're, they're Apple. Yeah, they sync right up.

They just. and it just sits over your ear very comfortable the styling of it they feel premium i hate them so i can't have something like that here's why it's the same reason that i'll watch like when i was on the run and i never did this prior to this by the way i only did this because i was on the run and i'm listen fraud on the run fraud is not a full-time job right like in general fraud's not a full-time job it's part-time if you may if you're really working at it it's part-time it's 20 hours a week. And it's really just fun. So, because it's not even a job. But on the run, we got to a point where it's like we had enough money. I don't want to say tons of money,

but we could do whatever we wanted. And we're committing fraud. And so we're doing stuff like, you know, we're going on vacations. We're going on road trips. We're, we're doing rock climbing. We're, you know, skydiving, whatever. We're doing all kinds of different stuff that is just kooky stuff and at one point i went i saw a commercial or something for the new halo this was a halo was big and it was the second version of halo this really is dating me i understand so but and i i was like that looks really cool you know i should get that so i got i want to say it was an xbox because i think it was a black box or something anyway whatever it was that they play halo on so i you know went into um gosh it was what was it called it went out of business uh circuit city no

it was some something game games not game stop not game stop it was uh not game room uh block not block not blockbuster no this was they sold electronics but whatever it was i went in there and at first of all i thought radio shack no no no this was like a big this was like um circuit city kind of thing But it was something else that wasn't just games. It was all kinds of electronics. But I remember they had the halo. They had the halo guy with the gun standing on like rocks that are cloned. So the rocks are going up about two feet.

He's standing on it. So the statue is seven feet tall. And he's kind of hunched on the rocks with the gun. And I was like, how much do you guys want for that? And the guy goes, I don't think it's for sale. I said, bro, I want one. and he went and talked to the guy. Book club on Monday.

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But next to it they had the games and stuff So I went not you know I walked in I said bro I want the game I want the Xbox or whatever it was All the everything everything you can give me You know whatever that was A couple grand no problem And you know we're paying him

everybody in cash right we're like so you were into the game that much no i wasn't but i'd never played it before and i want all the stuff and i remember thinking i might play this i might fuck with this for about an hour or two and be like i don't get it it's like watching tv it's like watching football you could sit down with me take me to a super bowl party there's 40 people there i'm sitting put me right in front of the big screen tv and i would watch it for about 30 40 minutes because i've done this many, many times. I've really made an effort and been like, okay, you guys, I don't get it. Like, I don't, I'm sorry. I understand. You're excited. I don't know why you're screaming. You're not there. You can't play, you're too fat. You can't possibly play football.

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I was like, this is, this is maybe what happens. Like, I'm about to spend a couple grand. I mean, I got the best, the best gadgets. And we bought some other videos and, I mean, other games and stuff. We go home, we play it. And I liked it. Like, right away, I liked it. And I spent hours and hours and hours.

And I loved it. And so Boziac is, like, I spent. Listen, that, I felt like 20% of my day was spent playing that game at a minimum. I had to break away to go make some W-2s or pay-subs or go open a bank account or go survey somebody or whatever. It's like, fuck, I got to get this done. So what happened was, so Bozziak moves in here, right? You know how Bozziacs, he's always talking about like, you know, when he was doing Uber, like a, or not Uber, he was doing DoorDash. And he was like, man, I'm fucking busting my ass doing DoorDash.

Like, you're working about three, four hours a day. I see you, for two or three hours, you're playing video games. And he has all his, he has his iPad, and he's playing, and he's playing this. And then he would come and show me this new game that came out. Look how realistic it is. And he'd pull it up and I'd look at it and I'd think, it is amazing. And he would explain to me how each moving piece had its own algorithm so that when you walk through and you kicked stuff, it fell differently. It doesn't fall the same every time, falls differently.

depending on how you move everything is it feels like the real reaction to how things work and he had videos on and everything like the game was amazing and i'm going these are these these the quality of these games are amazing and i thought he's like yeah bro he's like you want to you want to i was like and i thought no no i don't because you will get immersed right right I don't play video games because that's going to be 20 or 30% of my time. I don't have enough time to do all the things I want to do during the day anyway.

You're going to throw in video games? No, I'm not doing that. That's going to be 20, 30%. It's like GTA6 is supposed to be coming out this year or next year and people are like... Going nuts. Oh yeah. Like planning, probably planning

their life's around it. Like when this game comes out, my, like no one's going to see me. I just don't like it. And what's so funny is that those guys end up working some 30, 40 hour a week job. They play video games and smoke pot. And all they do is complain about how life isn't fair. Motherfucker, you spend six hours a day. Why did you throw potheads and potheads are good people? I'm not saying they're not good people. I'm sure all gamers or most of the gamers, I'm sure, are very good people too. Somebody's got

to make that fucking coffee at Starbucks. I'm not doing it. Thank God for them. Thank God for that guy because he works at Burger King. I'm just saying work your little job. Work your job at Burger King. Play your video games. Stay stoned.

Live in your parents' spare room. But don't complain about how life is it fair. Hello. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, I get it. If you're saying, no, I'm happy with this. But don't sit there and then leave the house and then go online or go in the comments or go with your friends and complain about it.

how all women are, you know, whatever, prostitutes or whatever they're calling. There are no good women out there. Yeah, there are, there's no good women. Why I'm single. Life isn't fair. And that they don't pay me the $150 an hour I deserve at Starbucks. It's like, no, no, you're already being paid too much. No woman, woman is dating you because you're a loser.

And you live in your parents' spare room and you stay stoned. all the fucking time and you're good with that right and now if you're good with if you're good with that then fine just don't complain yeah and i you know i used to see it's the same thing with that you figure that out in prison you'd see these guys who would complain about getting all their fucking time and how they got 10 years and that's bullshit and i didn't deserve 10 years and i shouldn't even be in prison they could have given me probation and they're not feeding us good and they never let us out and they what'd you think when you were robin banks did you think they were going to serve you lobster and treat you like a

a king in prison and give you a slap on the hand and help retrain you for society and like come on bro what are you doing so my problem is i would be such a loser if i started playing those games because i know i would like them so much listen every time they come out with a new season of um what is it uh what what's oh wait um silo or what's the other other one the one of the office kind of like they're in the office severance severance that's a whole day it's a whole day every see every time they come out with it so that's a whole day or two of my time two days of my time is gone i binge watching it thank god they don't have more good shit out there everyone's like oh there's nothing good on tv thank god if these guys were massively producing

amazing shows i wouldn't get anything done so severance is really good Tebrance is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's odd. It's, so let me ask you, is, is the blacklist good.

The blacklist, I, the only reason I watched it is because I did the first, that first podcast I did on, on Danny, on Danny show. So I did that podcast

in the comment section, people are like going, bro, this is the real, um, um, um, um,

Raymond Reddington. Matt Cox is the real Raymond Reddington. Matt Cox is the blacklist. And keep in mind, I've seen the show, and I don't get the comparison at all. I don't either. This guy's a master criminal in a different way, right? Like, to me, the way I look at me, other people look at me, they see me in a different way. The way I look at these guys who are stealing whatever, they're running scams and they're making $50, $100 million, $200 million.

Those guys are like, typically they're not. master criminals they're just accountants that are fudging the numbers but i know guys not a lot of them but that are very have a vast um they have a vast knowledge of many many different crimes right and they're still they're making you know tens 20 hundred million dollars let's say those guys are more and they have a criminal network they know tons of criminals like it's like I know a guy, you know, you talk to these guys and they're like, yeah, yeah, no, I got a guy that I know can make, makes all my, he, this guy is good for, he makes all my fake IDs. And then, oh, this guy, I use this guy to make all my checks. This guy, he's perfect for credit cards. He can get me all the credit card information. I know these three guys, they're good for, like, they have like eight people that they can pull from. They've got a whole group of criminals that they work with. Like that to me is, that's, you know, that's, you know, that's, Spector, right? Like, that's a, this guy's up here and he's got all the, kind of like Zach in his heyday. He had all these people. And he was insulated. He had a whole insulation system that allowed

him to, um, to be, you know, anonymous. He had anonymity. And so to me, I feel like, I feel like I was a foot soldier. Like, I was a guy who was very, my, I had a very high skill set where, I don't need, I don't need to know anybody that can make my fake IDs. I'll go to the DMV and they'll make them, you know, or I'll figure it out how to do it myself. And I'll be able to use that ID to get real documents and then go in the DMV. I'll be able to take that document and then I'll go get a real passport from, from the State Department. So I can get these things on my own. My skill set is so high that I don't need anybody else. And as a result of that, I didn't really have anybody else.

So it was all me. So I'm like a little foot soldier with a backpack full of stuff. Zach, to me, was more like a general. Although I see lots of stupid things that he did. He was a guy that had a massive network of people. Right. Because I think that the things that, so your thing was doing something specific. Right.

Whereas Zach would do all these kind of things. yeah he's got credit cards this thing this thing this thing bank accounts so in order to keep all that stuff live this thing well let me get this guy and this guy it's a shortcut in getting money this way and then this thing i need this guy but i don't know those guys and i don't know how to how i didn't know how to contact those guys i don't have the network of those guys i didn't you know i had never been arrested and gone to prison or jail for six months and networked so i had to figure out everything on my own. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how we got there.

We're talking about those TV shows. Black. Oh, yeah, the Blacklist. So to me, to me, Raymond Redington would be a homicidal or a violent form of Zach on an international level. Does that make sense? Because Raymond Redington, you know, what they like in the blacklist is they, that there is kind of this underground network.

Network of criminals. And they're high-end criminals that are also have... There's a cold... Yeah, they have politicians under their, you know, that... So there's kind of like this cabal. I think they actually call it the cabal. They literally call it. This is my favorite television show.

Oh, you've seen it. I thought you were asking about it. I was asking if you saw it. I love it. And then you went into... I thought you... I'm sorry. I thought you didn't know what it was, and I was trying to explain it.

absolutely love it. I think, I don't know the actor's name. Oh, oh, oh, man, come on. I'm looking at him too. And I grew up with him. Remember he was in like less than zero? He was in, um, um, sex lies and videos tapes. He was in, um, he was in all kinds of, but anyway, him. What's he looked like? He's chubby and bald. James Bader? Yes. No, no, no, not James Bader. No. Clark Middleton. Is it the C? Raymond Reddington.

Oh, James Spader. Is that? I think that is him. I think his portrayal of him is just, so I couldn't imagine. He's the guy who's the second boss in the office. That's kind of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, when they did that thing.

And he does the voice of Age of Ultron, I think. Yep. Yep. James... But his portrayal of him is just... It's so crazy. The first three seasons were just had me like this. And I haven't had a television show like that. I don't watch television shows because I'm like, I don't want to kind of what I'm out saying or like, I don't want to, oh, it's five seasons.

I don't want to sit down for a month and watch the show. But there's three shows that we have watched. One was Silo. We're caught up on that. It was good. Severance, which is actively going on right now. It's like the number one TV show in America. And then White Lotus.

And they're all... That's funny. I haven't heard. I've heard of White Lotus. I haven't watched it. White Lotus, HBO Max. So they're on their third season right now. And the premise is the very first episode, the very first scene, you see that someone has been killed, someone's dead.

And then it kind of rewinds. And it's like two months earlier or one month earlier. And it's like a... The first scene is a boat of three or four different families or groups of people arriving to the hotel called the White Lotus and they're all interesting weird kind of quirky characters and then you just watch these couples on their vacations and kind of their storyline to play out and you kind of find out who's like who's what they're really there for like their dark secrets and then like at the end like you find out okay this is what actually happened then the murder happens and you see

like who died so you're trying to figure it out all the way um it's interesting like this like this current season is going on and it's right in the middle and like there's like a family that's modeled after like southern charm rich money Carolina's family and like the dad is why he's on vacation it's getting calls like he's under investigation he's about to go to prison for like embezzling a bunch of money nobody knows nobody knows and then there's another couple like it's just some sketch guy with like some young girl and he's he's there to like find somebody and kill him um or confront them at least and then you have uh like a a a a a other group of just like three women on vacation and all their stories get intertwined.

They don't know each other, but they all kind of get intertwined and just characters working at the hotel. So it's like kind of like a mystery, murder, crime type of thing. I love shows like that. I love shows like that where just the, you get just immersed in it and like all these things are going on and you know the payoff is going to be way later, but you see everything kind of coming together. I like that I have to actively try to watch and actively try to, okay, what's really going? Like, I don't want to passively just listen to something in the background. But Severance, Severance, I think, is better than all of them.

You've got to kind of watch and pay attention to stuff. Yeah, you're trying to figure out what's going on. Yeah, severance is so, it's such an odd concept that you're constantly trying to figure out what's happening here. Like, what? I call that smart TV where you have to actually think and stuff. It's not like reality sitcoms. Idiot box. I've listened to a couple of my wife.

We've gone through a couple seasons, but I'm just like, yeah, I want to actively watch. I'm like, well, but Severance, we'll watch it. And then we'll watch it the immediate time comes out. And then I'll go on Reddit and see what everybody's saying. Like, what everybody's predictions are. Oh, see, that, that, okay, that, that's not what happens with that. What Jess will do is we'll be watching a movie and she'll say, does he die?

And I'm like, you have to watch. And she's like, I know, I'm, I know, but I'm going to watch. I just want to know, does he die? and I look at her and I go I'm not telling you I'm actually irritated that you would have like I'm going read it

as it's going real time so nobody knows the ending was no Jess will then pick up her phone and I'll see and I'll go I'll be like

what are you doing because it took me she had to do this she did this several times before I realize she picks it up and starts looking to find out

if this person she has to know yeah and you will know in an hour and a half and she just has to know now doesn't matter

I want to experience it. Yeah, I want to experience it. The only reason I'm going to write it is because nobody knows what's going to happen because it's airing in real time. Yeah, I don't mind the theories. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can, I don't mind the theories. Some of the theories have come to be true and I'm like, I wish I wouldn't have done that

because I didn't really see that coming. Because these people, nowadays people break down every little scene. Oh, they live it. They live it. Every little mention, detail. And they're like, they're predicting what's happening before it actually happened. happen. So I like watching those YouTube's of when they

break down stuff and the Easter eggs when I finish it. Yeah, the 100 Easter eggs, 50 Easter eggs do you men? And I was like, I didn't notice that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah, I definitely the blacklist was amazing. Like,

it's over, right? Like, or 10 seasons, it's over. Yeah, and then I watched and even it's over and they still don't really know the spoiler stuff. Like, they still don't know who Reddington's, they don't, they're, they're not positive. Was he really? It killed me the whole time that he was, like, I, you're right.

I never figured out, like, where he's like, I'm not, not her father, not the father, not the father. Like, it killed me because I kept thinking, you are her father. You are her father. And he was so adamant that he wasn't. And then there were times I thought, oh, wow, he's not. This person is. And then you realized, no, that person couldn't be that. It is Reddington.

And then you're, is it, you know, who was Reddington? How was he? And there were these little tiny things where you're like, I don't even think the, the backstory to who you are is who you are. I saw something that Reddington was, um, what's the girl? Uh, her mother. And that the spy. Reddington was the mother.

Yep. And she got a sex change. Because she was like a spy, but then they went into, like, showing all these different reasons why it could be. And then, like, him and Dembe's interaction, like, how he loves him to him and kisses him on the forehead. You know, that's a very Italian thing, so it's not. But, like, once you look at it through those eyes, I'm like, could it be? And then there was, like, this DNA, there was an episode where one of the blacklisters was a. DNA guy and then like the post credit look there was like this interaction where it could be i don't know

i went down that right so real quick just to say i like i do love um the blacklist but how kind of odd or is it serendipical serendipity serendipity serendipity i'm going to pull up right now my history do you see what that is songs that make you feel like Raymond Reddington here's another one this is all I listened to this morning songs songs that will make you same thing feel like this is another one it's right Raymond Reddington songs here's another one these are all things that I wow look look at this one the blacklist best songs these are all we just bring it up organically. And we mentioned it. Like, because I listened to him and there's

actually one that's super cool. It's a, it's a video of moments of where Reddington will be in a situation and he'll tell a story. You know, he loves telling the story. I love how he does that. And he'll suddenly

tell a story. I believe the FBI agent is bleeding out and they're in like a chamber or something. And the guy's like basically saying like, we're not going to get out of here. Like I'm about to die. He's bleeding. out. They're in that box. Yes. That lock. Okay. I remember.

And Ray Minton says, he's like, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. You said, he's like, you know, like, why do you say that? He's like, have you ever been on a sailboat? Like, he starts going through this whole little thing where he talks about all these things he wants to do just one more time. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And he gets to that point about it. The son on my face. Oh, yeah, while standing on the piazza, whatever he says. Or, you know, and there's all these places he wants to go and things and wants to have one more bottle of wine he wants to do one more book he wants and then he ends where he talks about sleeping like when i was a boy sleeping like like like and he oh listen it's so fucking like like

like you listen to you get it's just like oh chill like i want to just feel the sun bathe my face yeah just one more time and i'm watching him like just once more yeah you can do it yeah you can do it it's gonna make it i know he made it all the episode but um but but you yeah it's got a bunch of those a few of those and then there's another one called it's um what's the gangster one that the song uh it's gangsters paradise where they play gangster's paradise and it's but it's raymond doing all these different things where you think he's about to get grabbed and you know whatever he shows up he's sitting in some senator female senator comes walking down and sits down and he's sitting in our thing and he's got a gun and he's like

and she's like you can't kill me i'm a senator he goes why not. And he like plugs her. You know, it's, but that's what's funny is that it's because people kept saying like, oh, he's Raymond Redding, oh, he's the black, he's it. And I remember it. So then I started watching it. And I was like, this guy's a psychopath. This guy's murdering people. Like, I'm not going to murder anybody. Where do I give you that impression? How do you see me as this person? So that, that goes good with one of the questions asked. So let me see if I can find it. I think you called yourself psychopathic. What exactly does that mean well i mean i think that i'm i'm on the on a scale right like most look look one percent of

society are are psychopaths it almost everybody's on the scale almost nobody has zero percent no almost nobody's just not on the scale at all right so everybody has a little bit right because it's a scale like anything um so i would say um somewhere in there sometimes i feel like i'm in the middle. Sometimes I feel like a maybe towards the upper branch of it. But everybody's on that scale. So if one percent of society is like a full-blown sociopath, right? And one percent of society is locked up. About 99 percent of the people that are locked up are psychopaths. They suffer for some kind of antisocial disorder. And so the difference is when you go to prison and you talk to people and you talk to those people, the people that I've been locked up with have a very,

very different personality traits than the average person when you get out. Does that make sense? People in prison talk about their crimes openly, brazenly, typically unapologetically, where people hear, if they bump into you in the supermarket, apologize. they all feel so bad they whatever you know and every once in a while of course you'll bump into one of those guys that just got out of prison and he doesn't you know he just gives you that look and keeps walking or you know says something to you and you know because the code of conduct you're going to prison you know what I'm saying like you yeah but that code of conduct only works because you're surrounded by other people like that right in society that person doesn't do well you know

unless there's some kind of a chameleon like a lot of this stuff I'm doing for serious serial killers, right? Like most of them, they have, they have two completely, and a serial killers clearly, you know, one out of 50 is a 50, right? This is a guy who's murdered. These guys are killing people. They don't have any qualms about it. Their biggest issue with killing people is how do I not have the body attached to me? You know, how do I put this person over there where, and move the vehicle and do this and make sure I'm not associated? But those people don't have an issue at all. But those people will, you think, oh, he's a psycho. He's crazy. He's insane. Yeah, but they'll also have a wife and three kids. And those wife and three kids will think they're

absolutely amazing. And when they find out dad killed 30 people, they're like, what? That's got to be a mistake. No, no, we have DNA footage. And your dad's telling us all about it right now. And then they come in and meet their father. And they're like, what are they saying? They're like, yeah, I've been meaning to tell you this, Bobby. That part-time job. Yeah. It wasn't. a part-time job. Yeah, yeah. The reason I took that job as an inspector was because it gave me the ability to drive around and stalk women, find out where they lived, watch the house for a few days, get their routine down, and then break into the house and tie them up and, you know, torture them. I have photos. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're, and you imagine the kid,

like, you, I've seen these interviews of the wives that are just like, wait, what? What? They're interviewing them 10 years later and they're like, yeah, yeah. I talked to them about it. I couldn't believe it. I was in the jail saying, oh my gosh, I can't believe that they've got you locked up

for this. And the guy's like, yeah, I've got to tell you something. We've been locked up for it. We've been married 15 years, 25 years. Ah, about that.

Yeah. How long you've been doing this? Just before I met you. You know? Just before. So what you're saying kind of leads into one of the other questions that were asked.

And this is, I will say, I'm going to split it into two parts. Do you still have con, contendencies, or do they eventually go, away. So I would kind of split this into two parts. Like, do

you still have tendencies to think about conning, scaming, or frauding, or do they eventually go away? And then the second part would be kind of what you're alluding to earlier, like your demeanor, the lifestyle, the prison rules, like, whatever

that is, like how you act in there, how long does it take for it to kind of go away when you're on the outside, if that makes sense? Like, for me, I'll let you know. Like, you know, when it goes away, I'll let you know. I mean, there's not, there's not, I don't know if there's not a day that goes by. I used to say there's not a day that goes by.

There was probably the first couple years where when I was living in, I was living in that kind of the rooming house with that spare room. And I mean, listen, I get in my little beat up car, my little Jeep. I didn't have the Jeep when I met you, right? I got a new vehicle. You had a nice car. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was brand, I got a brand new, which is still like a $22,000. Jeep. Like it was, you know, it was a Luray, it was, no, it was a sport. What was it? Cherokee, maybe, was it? No, I don't know. I don't know. The name's, it was a white Jeep. Compass. It was a brand new Jeep compass I bought in the middle of COVID. I put down $1,000. My payment was $3.50 a month. I was thrilled. Everything worked on it.

I was thrilled. It was brand new. Had a warranty and everything. It was great. So anyway, but prior to that, even when I was driving that, I would leave this house, right? I drive down the street to go, go somewhere, and there was like, there would be vacant houses where I know this is a house. Someone's maintaining it, but nobody lives there. And these aren't little houses where the area, like I lived in, I had a, I lived in a nice rooming house.

Like it wasn't in the hood. upper, this is upper middle class. This is, this place was like on a lake. Like, it was, it was, it was nice. Um, but I drive down. So I'm driving by places are probably at that time, they're probably a million dollars now. At that time, they were probably worth six, seven hundred thousand dollars. This is five years ago. So I'm driving down. And there would be, there's these houses that I know are vacant. And that house is, it's probably worth in good condition, maybe 800,000. It's probably not in great condition right now. It's worth maybe 700,000. Nobody lives there. And there's no sign in the front yard. And

It's not for sale, but I know because I live in this neighborhood, nobody lives there. There's never been a car there. I've never seen anybody. I can tell that the pop, that the newspapers pile up throughout the day and then they take them away. I could tell them nails piled up and everybody once or twice a week is coming and kind of, but it's really not being maintained. And there were multiple houses like that. And listen, I used to drive by and it was like they were taunting me.

I was thinking of myself, God, I could go downtown. I could find out. I just pulled a title. I don't even really have to go downtown. I could take my laptop and go into Starbucks and look it up. But, you know, I can find out the deed to this house. If they owe anything, are there any liens? I could satisfy all of those liens.

I could transfer the title to the house. I could put the house on up for sale or I could borrow against the house. By that point, I had realized that there were closings that were remote closings. I could open some bank accounts online, do a remote closing, and borrow money on the house or sell the house outright. Or I could get really vicious and go to an investor meeting and meet some other investors and just tell them that I'm connected with a guy at the bank who's got houses that are available. And I could simply do a false foreclosure notice, the less pendants, file it downtown, put that

house into a into a name and then or not even have it filed yet just say to the guy I can have this house placed in your name we sell it you give me the money in cash we'll sell it for 300,000 400,000 you give me 200,000 in cash you take all the tax liability most investors are going to be like holy shit are you seriously? Yeah bro I got problems with the IRS I can't have any money in my name but I got a buddy that works at the bank it's in foreclosure he can transfer it into your name. Yeah, I'll do that. No problem. Okay. Like, that's not, that's, there's so many scams now that are so easy to do based on my skill set. And I thought about it all the time. I told you this, you've heard me say this. When I would lay in bed and you like can't go to

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Just visit ghostbed.com slash Cox and use the code Cox at checkout. Again, that's ghostbed.com slash Cox with the code Cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50% off sitewide. I never even get to the point where I'm actually doing the closing. Just the planning of the scam, which is what I liked so much. Just kind of rocks you to sleep. It does. And I thought you should do that. This is like daily, I'm doing this. And this went on for a couple of years. It doesn't happen so much now because I think I'm so busy, and I was under a lot of stress the first couple of years, and now that I'm like off supervision or probation, I'm off probation, and things are going well, and I'm not

under a tremendous amount of stress now. I don't think about it as often, but it's always there. Hey, I'll tell you something back to the psychopath, the sociopath thing. Why is it going back to the soci? Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. I'm going to play a thing I sent to Jess. I'll see what you say. This is good.

Basically, the person says, like, this is how you can tell if you're a psychopath. And as soon as it played, I immediately got the answer that if you, if this is what you think, you're a psychopath. Sociopath, sorry. And as soon as I watched it, as soon as I watched it, guess what answer came to me? A sociopath one. Because as soon as the person says it, they're like, if your answer was this, you're a psychopath. And I thought, ooh. I can find out whether you are a sociopath.

Ooh, tell me. Two minutes or less. A man shows up at a funeral. He goes to grieve the dead body at the wake. He sees a woman near the casket, and they exchange a glance. The man leaves. The funeral wraps up. A week later, that man kills that woman's mother.

Why? I immediately thought, oh, boom. But what do you think? Why did he kill her? So the man and a woman walk up to the casket, they exchange a look. Right. So he both leave. He sees her at a funeral, this woman that he's attracted to, like he likes her.

And they kind of have a little exchange, kind of a little, like you could tell he likes her. They kind of like each other. And then he leaves. He finds her mother. A week later, he murders her mother. Why does he murder the mother? I have no clue. So my first thought was he'll give him.

to see her at the funeral. It's a way to arrange a meeting between the two of them again. Listen. Because he wanted to see her again, the woman. So the sociopath gets that like this. And let me tell you where I got this test from. Somebody who used to be in my life, that person's father was a psychiatrist in one of the worst prisons in America. And they would actually do this test on the patients. And as soon as they said, a week later, he kills her. Why did he kill her? And I thought, well, he'll be able to see her at the funeral. my first thought was yeah that's a way to arrange another meeting where it's not obvious and i thought yeah and then he goes through his whole

explanation i was like i wonder if i'm right and then she explains immediately and i was like oh shit and then i sent this to jess jess we're going to start a thing where you just text me once a week just make sure you're still good we'll watch we watch serial killer documentaries and they'll explain like this guy was that like there's by the way the first the very first known serial killer in the United States

was a guy named H.H. Hobbs. No, Holmes, Holmes. H.H. Holmes. His real name was like, he was born like, you know, Ivan Sneed or something weird, but he ends up taking over, he ends up creating an identity called H.H. Holmes?

H.H. Holmes. The reason he does this is because as Sneed or whatever his name was, he starts running a scam he's super smart goes to medical school he starts stealing bodies and he starts taking out insurance on people so it gets you to go in and take out insurance then he goes and steals a cadaver stages a death and gets a death certificate for you and collects on the life insurance so oh and then he then he skins the whole thing creates a skeleton and sells a skeleton to a medical school by going in and basically he's going in digging up dead people but first he's got multiple layers

first he has you you're an accomplice you go get a life insurance policy on you so you go in you sign you understand pays the premiums for months then he goes and he finds someone that looks reasonable like you that's about to be buried or buried, he digs them up because back then, this is back in the 18, this is like in the 1890s or 1870s. So they don't, they're not doing, you know, all the embalming and everything. They don't have a lot of forensics. So they take that person. So he then takes that person and he stages, he like leaves them dead somewhere, shoots

them a couple times. Like the cops show up. They go, oh, this guy's dead. He leaves your identification on them. Then they get issued a death certificate for you. He can now take the death certificate and say, by the way, this guy just died. I got, we were buddies. We got a life insurance policy on him.

You owe me X amount of dollars. Then he splits it with you. Probably starts killing you too, because they believe he's killed. He killed around 100 to 200 people, although they only got him for around 40. How many? Whatever. 27, 30. There are 27 that he admitted to because they found the remains.

He didn't say anything else. This is a guy who also, he would, he went to work, he would take over businesses. He'd go work for your business. And after a month or two, he's working for your business. After a month or two, you suddenly die. Keep my poison back then, there's no way to determine. If I give you an extra dose, if I put chloroform in your coffee and you drink it and get sick and die, that's it. You're dead.

They don't know why you died. Just strange circumstance. He died. He's 60 years old and he died. That happens. He had a heart attack. We don't know. So now keep in mind, too, now he goes, he would go to like the widow and say, look, can you owner finance the business? I'll take it over and I'll pay you this much money a month. And of course, you're going to be like, oh my God, you're running the business. I don't have anybody else. Of course, I'll do that. And it's very lucrative. Then once everything's signed over to him, you disappear. They don't find your body or anything. You just disappear. She's traveling. She's this. Of course, I make payments to her so I can. Yeah, yeah, she, nobody, nobody looks. Nobody's quite, her father, her husband died. She sold me the business and she's traveling. I own the business. He does this multiple time.

So he's a con man. So they're explaining how he initially starts off as a con man. He's a psychopath, con man, smart. And as I'm watching this, I can feel Jess looking over at me. And I'm sitting there going, what? What? And she's like. I don't know.

There's a lot of similarities here. I'm like, stop, I'm not violent. She's like, well, he didn't seem violent at first either. These were just cons. They evolved. But that happens a lot as we're watching these, these, these, these, these, these, these, these, uh, serial killer stuff. They'll say something every once in a while and she'll go. And I'm just like, what?

Look, even the face now. That's the face I get right there. He just doesn't tip over the... 75. 74. Anyway, we'll talk about that this when we're alone. Just once a week, just shoot a thumbs up text, say, listen. You know, I'm still, you know.

Stop, stop. But yeah. So definitely, so on the scale. I'm just saying on the scale. Maybe, you know, that's all. He's comfortable. You know, this made me think of, we had Nadine, I forget her last name, Elasco, she's Jordan Belford's X, Y, on the movie.

And she came in, and her whole thing now, she's a therapist, and she helps women escape toxic relationships and stuff like that. And in the middle of the interview, she's like pushing her book. Matt's just like, oh, yeah, you can take this book home with you. Yeah, yeah, you don't, we're not going to need this here. We're not going to need this here. He's like, I don't need Jess stumbling across it. He's like throwing jazz back to adder and kind of like,

oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not going to need that here. So in the comments were just like, I wonder what she's, what she's really thinking. Oh, at one point I said, at one point I said, yeah, I said, you know, I said, you know, I'm a little narcissistic, like, like that. She says, she's like, I'm getting that. And, you know, like there was, I said something along, it was something along the lines of, I'm a little self-absorbed. And she's like, mm-hmm, yeah, I'm getting that.

Like, you could just tell, she was just like, at that point, he was like, okay. I definitely, I definitely got a narcissistic streak in me somewhere. All his screens save, he's got like five screensavers that repeat every time he turns, every one of them is a photo of him. What else would I have, fish? I don't, I, what else would I have? I mean, single, so I wouldn't have the misses on there or, you know.

What do you have, baby? A fish. A fish. Yeah, I have, I have like scenery, because I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, my background to be clean. Like Chris so I can just kind of go through my ass. But my wife's like, why am I not on there? So he changes it and then the picture of our head. Now Apple has it where the pictures block the time. I can't

tell what time it is. You know that? It like takes like the subject and puts it, yeah, just in front of the actual text. And you know what I have on mine? You know what mine is? Is it the red dot? Yeah. It's, it's not a red dot. It's, it's, what is that? That's the Hal 9000 from 2001 Space Odyssey Hello Dave

Hal opened the bay door Dave I can't do that Oh my gosh Jess's response was because it's mechanical And it doesn't have a heart Okay It's not true Not true

There's a connection But this is the how You've never watched 2001 Space Odyssey I've seen clips and pieces I probably have but only once Howell ends up murdering everybody, killing everybody on board the ship? Because, but for a good reason, it was in furtherance of the, the priority was the mission, and he felt these guys were a hindrance to the mission. He'd been giving conflicting, he'd been giving conflicting goals, and these guys, the crew ended up being in conflict with the goals.

So they had to go. He didn't need them to run the, run the mission. So they had to go. But they say that's what the Terminator hold premises is. And once AI gets smart, the biggest threat to humanity is humans. What's so funny is that is 2001 Space Odyssey is literally, it's an amazing movie that is 30 to, well, 30 to 40 minutes too long because they built these amazing sets. So this is prior to Star Wars. I think this came out just before Star Wars.

And so they built these sets of the ships, right? So these massive sets for these ships and the concepts were amazing. And the problem is you could tell they were really proud of them. Because they've got these camera scenes where they are going by the ship. Everything's in real slow. But the problem is, is like, I don't need a minute and a half shot of the ship. I don't need a minute and a half shot of this, two minute shot of this model and that model. And that less is more.

Like I could go through and shave off 30 minutes of that film, 40 minutes of the film. And it would be amazing. And Hal is amazing. And it's really funny because once the guy Dave eventually gets back in the ship, Hal doesn't think he can. And he gets back in. And he starts to basically turn off How. How starts to try and reason with him. Dave, can we talk about this, Dave?

Dave, Dave, I've been thinking, perhaps I was a little rash in my decision. Dave, what are you doing? Dave, I mean, it's so, and he's just, Dave's like ignoring him. He's basically destroying, he's pulling out all of his higher brain functions, and he's, you know, turning them all off and it starts sounding funny. And he, and this is the 60s version. You know, I'm thinking of the one. Of AI, but I'm great.

But I'm thinking of the, I think more. recent like oh you're thinking it's called 20 i think it's called a odyssey 2010 so they did yeah space odyssey 2010 space odyssey they do one where they go back to uh jupiter because see what's happened in the movie is they find a monolith you've seen the scene a thousand times sometimes they make fun of it where it's a bunch of of apes that are on planet earth and this monolith shows up this black rectangular monolith that's big you know maybe it's 12 feet high and so the apes are dancing around it and what what it is is it's evolution it's the next step and so these apes which are kind of fighting against each other and that's another thing they spend 15 minutes on the apes I don't need 15

minutes to understand that these apes are at odds with each other there are two groups they're at odds Then the monoliths, the monolith shows up, and you've seen this, you've seen this in different forms. The apes are dancing around the monolith, and one of them throws a bone, and you see the bone flipping in the air, and the music is playing, and that's the, when it ends up using the bone as like a weapon, we've now made that leap to evolution. these apes are now evolving and it's as a result of the monolith that that happens well then suddenly they find a monolith on the moon they investigate it then they find a monolith a massive monolith a hundred times as big as the one on the moon on jupiter around just floating around jupiter and so they go to it in 2001 that mission is scrapped because hal is shut off and then in 2010 they come come back with the Soviets and they visit. They turn on Hal again, figure out what went wrong, and they decide that they're going to investigate the monolith. And what ends up happening is Jupiter implodes in a way that it turns into a sun. The Jupiter, if it was a little bit bigger, would actually ignite. The pressure would actually split atoms and it would become a small

sun. What happens is it becomes a sun and Europa has water on it. And Europa ends up having life. So it ends up that God, you know, we can't conceptualize the fact that the monolith is a mechanism for or tool used by God to create evolution or life. This is all on the space honestly? This is on the first one and second one. It's amazing. It's amazing for multiple reasons. But here's the other thing. And I think I've, I know Jeff and I've talked about this many times. It's like the concept of God. The great thing about this movie is if you really look at it and understand what's happening is it's a great metaphor, or maybe the Bible is a metaphor for God. So you have a base understanding when you watch the movie of what's happening. You kind of like,

okay this is a you know they they refer to it is that they believe it's kind of it's an unspoken thing that it's it's alien this is obviously alien but in reality it's it's i think and it probably is there's probably a video 10 videos on it that say no no it is god that it's god that god created maybe there was evolution on the planet because of the apes right there's evolution but at some point, God steps in and says, I'm going to have these creatures evolve. And the monolith shows up and they end up evolving and ultimately that evolution turns into humanity. Now, whoever wrote the Bible doesn't understand that. They can't conceptualize that. So they write their version of how that works so it makes sense. There's this omnipotent being that helps us or that created us.

But really, it's evolution. And I believe that. I believe in evolution. But I also believe in God. So I just think that the Bible or God in general, you and I can't conceptualize what God is. We're not smart enough, right? A cat, a cat doesn't know it's on a planet traveling. Can't conceptualize a car. Right. It doesn't understand anything. It doesn't understand it's on a continent.

It doesn't understand the atmosphere, the planets, nothing. But it's smart. It can feed itself. It's perfectly functional, right? A cat can clean itself and function and survive. It can raise its children. It can have offspring. It can do all kinds of stuff.

It's got to, they have their own little society, right? They interact with other, with other cats, whatever. Same thing with monkeys. Same thing. They have their, there's very complex societies in monkeys, right? But they're not evolved. They're not smart. An ants.

Right. They can't conceptualize. They can't have, they don't understand the concept. We're just slightly evolved monkeys. so the idea that you and I are going to be able to understand what God is is silly like I don't understand what God is maybe God is maybe it is alien it's it's very alien to us maybe it's alien it's an alien race whatever or maybe it is God and it's in a different realm and you and I just don't understand it so in that way if you watch this movie with that in mind you

you realize that like the idea of God, I have no problem with the idea. I believe in God. And this movie is a great way to look at it. If you look at it like that, it's entertaining. It's a little long. The first one's a little long. But other than that, if you watch it thinking that this is God,

you kind of realize like, wow, like this is amazing. This is evolution. This is how we're evolving. This is how. And it ends up turning Jupiter into a planet. and it puts life, because life has evolved on Europa. Europa is all ice. Not all ice.

It's got a layer of ice. Isn't Europa a moon? It's a moon of Jupiter. There's like 30 of them. And Titan and, I think it's Titan and Europa that have, that are mostly have oceans under the ice. So somehow or another, if Jupiter becomes a sun, it's going to melt the ice. you've got water, and that life supposedly will then, you know, evolve. So that's the concept of what's happening.

And it's funny, too, because Howl is there. They use Howl, I'm sorry, they use the ship. Howl is a computer. They use that ship to push the Soviet ship and have it launch it toward Earth. And when it, as it's leaving, Jupiter, I'm sorry, as it's leaving, as it's leaving, Jupiter headed towards Earth, Howe ends up, I think all of this, I see your face,

and I think all of this should stay. I don't think you should cut any of this. I was just thinking, it's like, this will probably be the very end of the podcast. This is great. This is good stuff. So at the very, listen, so Howe ends up sending a signal to Earth

saying that, to Earth, you can have all of the planets in this like solar system but do not approach Jupiter or Europa again so it's and this is God suddenly it's just how it says

I'm basically I'm sending a message that I'm getting here's the message you could have all the planets whatever you want do not approach this again because God has created life here and it's evolving and he wants to watch it take its course and just don't just don't go over there just go in that guard you can fuck with mars and all these other planets saturn do whatever

you want to do just don't go over here again because i got life i just created a life and we're gonna watch it evolve and so where does that come from like we don't know where it comes from but i to me that's god like what is it it's an alien or what is it it's god it's god telling you through this that this is what just happened and you don't have to understand it this is the way it is and so they go back to earth it's a fucking amazing these are amazing films Thank you for that. Can you imagine what Jess goes through? Can you imagine what Jess goes through?

I'll talk to her for an hour and a half and she'll just sit there and look at it the whole time like this. And while she's looking at it, she's like, so did I get eggs this morning? Yeah, no, she's not paying it. She's just like, yeah, okay, so I have to go on. This guy done. And after about an hour, hour and 20 minutes, I start to go, I think I might be rambling.

Am I rambling? She's like, no, no, it's fine. No, it's fine. She's like, this is just part of my plight. I have to do that. I can do that when I'm with people and we start talking about YouTube and I start going, I'm like, now, I'm going to stop

now. Right. Because I will talk for the next hour about it all. I tell them to that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll do that. I forget what the question was. And now I'm thinking about God. It was, it was, it was.

It was a phone background. No, it was the phone background. It was how. It was how. It was how. And this is how you post, this is how you're able to post four, episodes a week. How? That phone background is an extra 30 minutes.

Can you imagine, right? Imagine if it was a real topic. You know, I was just looking at a thing on the God question and stuff. I don't really know where I stand on it. But like a very smart Neil de Gras brought up a great point. And he says that he thinks God is right on the edge. of what we know what we've so before we thought it was round and before we knew about the universe and god was there we learned this so god got here and it's always right on the crecipus of

our understanding and knowledge i think that is squarely where god lived but yeah i don't think if god came down and and sat in front of us and explained what he was you or i would be able to understand it. We would never, we would not be able to process it. We really don't know. We don't know anything about God because there has never been verified documentation and or proof especially in this day and age of documenting things and proof. What we do know is that the documentation that we have, it was written down during a time where they believed in when people had seizures they called it um what it is called what when you get uh exorcism oh yeah they were possessed they were possessions and the world and the earth was flat and because we didn't

have the understanding right so once our understanding grew god went beyond that but i think that's probably what the bible was is that this is their understanding of how it would work you know what At that time, this made sense to them. That's the only thing we have. It keeps... We've got literature that was written during the time. So it keeps moving before. But it hasn't shifted.

The next version is 2001 Space Odyssey. And that's the point I was getting to. Or some type of AI. Do you think AI, do you think there gets to a point where AI becomes... Without a doubt, there's going to be a different... AI is everything. I think it'll be... Ultimately, it'll be devastating.

No, AI is giving us an understanding of things that we couldn't really understand. Like, once we figure out AI and know how to use it as a tool, it'll be just a tool. Like, you have to have AI in order to navigate space. I've seen YouTube thumbnails of videos of guys talking about, I'm creating a female only fans model through AI. right it's me it's i'm moving i'm sitting here moving as a oh did you see that before the and it's the girl it's a split screen and it's showing him as a girl doing exact same things opening up his wallet flipping through his phone

yeah i saw that i saw that i saw that ai is the future man i love it he was i'm scared and i love it at the same time so i think it's i think it's funny because i watch a video where they were talking about and honestly the video is probably a year old where they're the guy was like listen in the next six to six months to a year, AI will be running everything. I was thinking, well, the videos a year or six months to a year old already. So, you know, what I think the problem is, is that one, to implement AI will take a decade. Yep. To create enough robots and all the things that it needs to control will take a decade or more, right?

So it's not something like, hey, next year, AI is everywhere. It's running everything. That's not true. It's going to take time. you have to implement it. So implementation always takes longer than people expect. So then the other problem is when I say devastating, I think it is devastating, right? Don't you think it would be devastating? Not in a way that like, not sky net debt, not sky net devastating. More like it's devastating to parts of the economy. Like your job, we don't need your, your fast food

workers, we don't need them. These 30 people that run this McDonald's, we need one guy that comes in in a truck that loads up the vending machines that now make up McDonald's. That's it. I don't think that's the case. Like, I'm old enough to know, to be around when computers started and like the older generation like, oh, computers are going to be taking the jobs. And when Walmart got big and all of these companies, the Walmart. It's going to take the smaller business. It did take the smaller business. But you're just not a small business.

You're just not a small business owner, so you don't think it was devastating. But the small businesses have to evolve. It's called evolution. The evolution. Or we would still be stuck in the 60s. If you're a small local hardware store and Home Depot moves in two miles down the road, your version of evolution is you, you go under. you have to evolve you go bankrupt it's not evolved you can't open up another but home

depot well i understand so what you do is home depot you close your fucking doors as quick as possible and you go get a job at home depot i understand that that's the evolution though or you take your business and you change it to where it's you know you're you're you have to change because times are changing you can't survive as harold's hardware store hardware store anymore It's not the 50s. Right. So he has to evolve. So either he has to sell something else and close the hardware store or change the hardware storing or something else.

Okay, I understand. What I'm saying is fast food in 10 years, there won't be workers. I'm saying that most of these menial jobs, listen, once Tesla robots are as good as you and I, what happens to all the, imagine if you could buy a Tesla robot. that can work as you, that can do drywall, that can paint, that can build houses. When all of that happens, those jobs will disappear. They have to do something else. But what else is there to do when there's a robot to do everything you can do? We don't know yet.

Well, I understand what you're saying you don't know yet, but I'm saying I think what happens is those jobs just don't exist anymore. And unless those people that were running those jobs, which are menial jobs, right, you can teach anybody how to work at McDonald's in all of one shift. You know, you got one eight-hour shift. I can teach you how to run the fryer, you know, and basically flip hamburgers, you know, the whole thing. You can run almost every job at McDonald's just in one shift. So what I'm saying is I don't know what those people do for a living when they can't do that.

Maybe they're building robots. Yeah, they do something different. Right. But is there enough jobs for robots? Yes. Every one or two, every time you open up, you build two or three robots, you've eliminated multiple jobs. And these robots, really one robot is. eliminating probably three people because he doesn't stop working.

You just have to change and do something else. Well, I understand. I'm hoping we still got YouTube. Well, 60 years ago, cats were churning butter. My Betsy churning butter and they're on the farm. And fast forward, it's, you know, everything is kind of automated. You've got the big machines that go down the farm, they get all the corn. those people aren't jobless, they're just doing other things.

I think they're jobless. I think it's over. I think it devastates the economy. Yeah, not at all. And as we're evolving, as we're evolving, there's more people being born into the country by the, you know, hundreds of thousands. It's just that these people are doing different things. Okay. So I'm going to go with.

It's called evolution. So 20, let's schedule something, March 11th. 2035. Okay. We're going to go 20, let's go 2035, 20, let me jot that down. 35. I'm going to send you a calendar. And so in 2035, we're going to come back here and we're all, we'll figure it out.

At that point, we're going to go, let's go. You want to just, what do you want to do? You want to go 2035? Yeah, let's go 23rd. What am I doing then? Here, hold on. Christ. Here it is right now.

Yeah, my Wednesday's booked up. can we make it Thursday Okay Evening March Thursday Let's go with Oh

No see Y X I come in studio How's it going It's going to be One of those situations Where you just Someone just shows up

You know what I mean It is I mean What What you have something Going on that day There's old Jess How you doing

I ain't seen you And send you in Send Okay, that's it. Oh, I'm not going to be that old in 10 years. Okay. There you go. So I just scheduled it.

So that's cool. So 10 years from now, we're going to come back. And you're going to be like, why? It's different. You're right. Devastating. Devastating. I mean, you know, I think that you just start a war and you just have people battle it out

until you take out a good section of your society and you down, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, Once you knock out a third of the society, then it probably, that's probably a better, easier number. Okay. All right, Thanos. I mean, you know, then it's, yeah, we'll come up with a reason to go to war and be like, yeah, we'll fight. We'll do the old-fashioned on the battlefield, trench warfare for two years, and that'll knock out 50 million people. And you'd be like, okay, 50, if we can get it up to 100 million, we're probably going to be okay with the fact that a third of our, A third of our citizens are out of work because of these damn Tesla bots.

Or they'll have to do some kind of a law or something where they're like, look, you got to, we have to slowly, slowly implement them into so that we can weave, slowly weave them into society or some kind of universal. But you can't just have universal. They're helpers. They're helpers now. It's going to help with our society. Have you advanced? Have you used chat GPD?

Listen, bro, chat GTP, you're going to have a conversation with it. Yep. And so what happens in five years from now when that chat GPT is the AI is in the Tesla bot and the Tesla bot isn't doing this anymore where it's picking things up. So when it walks in and says, hey, what's going on, sex? What are you doing? Did I see your motorcycle outside? What are you doing?

That will be the advancement of our society. So now all of that tech will be integrated. in what we do it's not going to wean us out it's just that how i think i'm john carter is it john carter what's the name of the guy on uh the time guy i think no no um uh the terminator connor connor connor john carter is the name of a character is john carter that's uh is on mars that's disney stuff yeah yeah it was actually a comic book um yeah yeah so this is uh John Connor. So in the future, I think I'm John Connor, and I think that as he's walking through

the ruin of one of the cities, I think you're one of the skeletons, because I'm prepared for what's happening. You think it's going to be the betterment. I think we need to start preparing now, because I'm telling him, it's going to go bad. It's going to go bad. I think all through time, even when you look back in like the 70s, all the older guys, Well, it's good with these advent of computers, it's the downfall of society. If you fast forward like 50 years, if you fast forward, like, there's going to be new tech and we're going to evolve.

And there's going to be, things are going to be more computerized. I'm saying I think that it's going to be devastating for the economy. I don't think so. I mean, I think it happens slowly, but I think it definitely destroys, especially if, because you basically got. a whole millions of robots that are just taking regular jobs what do those regular people you're saying they do something else i don't think they're going to take the jobs really it'll just open up doors for things because that's what's coming robots and assistance that is what's coming you can't strap on the horse and buggy anymore like times are changing so we as a society have to change oh the robots are

oh the government is all time out they're coming so we have to adjust i know i'm not i'm not i agree and i'm not saying that they're not coming i'm not saying that they're you won't adjust i'm saying that when they do come and when they are as good as humans i think that is devastating for the economy and that they will have to figure out a way because you're going to have a ton of people that are just unemployed because there aren't new jobs so you're going to so you're going to have to come up with some kind of universal income to supplement those people, which, listen, and so I have no doubt that if you had robots come in and it was generated by great AI and they were super smart and you walked in and your doctor is a, your doctor is a robot, probably going

to be way better than the regular doctor. I think that there will be a skilled doctor that handles the robot. I think maybe eventually, I don't know about you, but I'm watching Teslos right now that are driving themselves. I was in California and I watched four or five while I was waiting for my Uber, you know what drove by me over the course of 10 or 15 minutes? Four different self-driving cars with the little things on the top of them. They, they're, I forget what they call them, but they drove by. I mean, I'm sitting there's no, there's nobody in this vehicle. Now, two of them, there were people in the vehicle. Another couple, there was nobody in it. They're

going to pick up somebody. There was nobody sitting monitoring those. They're driving around. And they're safer drivers than some of these. That's why I just said, I wouldn't mind if the doctor, if the surgeon, if you walked in and there's three robots there and they said they're going to, they're going to perform your surgery, I got no problem with that. I have no doubt that they're amazing. They're phenomenal. I just don't.

And maybe there's a doctor who's monitoring four or five surgeries that's going on. So now we don't have these waiting lists. And like it takes you till next year to get on the list now with the assistance. Now you're, it's immediate. Now it's, well, we'll schedule you for Tuesday. I mean, look, hey, then we get free health care, good free health care, not Canadian free health care, real free health care, because you can buy a rope, you can buy a surgeon for $30,000 that works 24 hours a day.

Like, I understand, I understand that there's going to be some amazing leaps in technology and your quality of life is going to be vastly improved. My problem is, I think that a lot of jobs are a little. eliminated and there are no new jobs so they have to come out with some kind of universal income but you can't just make up money doesn't really work like that so i'm i'm wondering that how that growing pain happens that's what i'm curious about that's what i remember when what i love to by the way is that neither one of us are qualified to talk about this but we're doing great i'm i'm actively searching for a quote that someone who is actively he's like an ex-google

employee who's like focused on AI and he went on the diary of the CEO podcast and I'm trying to find his exact quote from that podcast. What does he say? The idea of you and I inevitably are going to be somewhere in the middle of nowhere in 10 years time. I used to say 2055 but now I think it's more so 2037. We will not know for hiding from machines. We don't know that yet. There's a likelihood that we'll be hiding from machines and there's a likelihood that we'll be hiding because there are no need for podcasters anymore. He or he was he was working working for Google, and one of the stories he told on this podcast was they were trying to get these robots to pick up a yellow ball in the factory. And they couldn't pick it up. Using AI, they couldn't pick it up. It just never worked. And they were about to cut the funding. They're just saying this program is just, it's useless. And then one day, one of the machines picked up the yellow ball. And then they all go home for the day and they come back. And then when they come in the office the next morning, all the hundreds or thousands, how many ever machines they have, they're all picking up the yellow ball every single ball. time. And he was like, that was the pivotal moment that I decided, I think he said, that I decided

to quit. I think it's just like when Amazon came and everybody was like, oh, it's going to just kill small business and the growth of Amazon. And it's, it's, it's, it, Amazon evolved us as the way we do business, the way we shop. It changed Walmart. Now, Walmart. Now, Walmart changes its whole business. Remember, Walmart was such a conglomerate because not only it was huge, but it was 24 hours, the convenience of Walmart. Everything kind of evolves. And I think AI is the pivotal moment for America and not even America for the world. And once we develop AI, once we teach the computer to help us think, it will open up all.

all these doors, like open up cures and for cancers and because the AI will be able to think better and faster than we can. They already have AI where, okay, so did you know that like every day there's like seven or eight different studies that come out on cancer every day? Mm-hmm. Yep. So you're a cancer doctor. Can you read seven different studies on cancer every day?

but AI can and so they this was and they already have the system in place now for doctors you know that you punch in the you've seen the doctor you got the doctor and they made MD yeah and they punch in even the doctors do it like at least at Coleman they would go they'd be like okay what's the problem and they sit there and they put all the symptoms and it diagnoses you this is what's wrong with you yeah um so five six years ago they were doing this before like AI this is just when they were just able to put all of this into this system for medical system and they had a group of doctors that came around and they would give the this computer i forget the name of the computer i watched this on like 60 minutes 10 years ago and they would give it a case and the case would end up

saying this person has this cancer here's the best treatment and it would lay out the treatment and the doctors were like here's the thing it was providing in some ways the exact same treatment we had already provided. In some ways, it was saying, it was giving us alternatives. Like, look, based on these three recent, you know, these three, three recent studies, clinical studies, you really should also include this or not do this because that's not what's working. You need to do this. So it was giving these alternatives. And they were like, it's coming up with better solutions based on newer information than we have. And these are like the top of the top cancer fighting doctors, whatever they call them. I know that's not the right name.

But, you know, these, and they were like, this is amazing. This was 10 years ago. So, so I get it that I think that's, that's what happens is, is that those, that machine is going to be smarter and faster and be able to be better. And I get that. My only problem is, is that you get to a point where maybe you don't need doctors anymore. And so my whole thing is, what does the doctor do? Well, maybe it's called evolution. Or do you just, do you just start doing something like, what is it, the Chinese where you say, look, we can't keep, well, first of all, first of all, our population right now, most populations in the world are decreasing. And it has, I think it has always grown. Well, it has, but it will stop soon. You understand we're not having children as fast as most

countries aren't having children nearly as quickly as they were. You see that issue? You see the issue there? the green is the total population numbers and then the the pink line is the rate of the increase so it looks like from the 1900s so we're peaking here yeah but as of so in about in about 50 years from right now do you see how it just trails off yeah so it looks like from these numbers it says normally it's increasing by two per 1% 2% 2% 2% but over the last few years it's gone from 2% to 1.5% back to 1%, 0.5%. Like it's slowly starting to backtrack. So we're decreasing.

Not quickly, but we are decreasing. In 50 years from now, it trails off and then it drops. The major problem with that is, and you got to watch, if you watch these videos, watch two or three of them, whatever, you'll be like, holy shit. Luckily, you and I will be dead by this time. But the point is, is that what robots can probably fix the problem. So once it goes, not that they're going to populate, not that they're going to have babies, but once it gets up there, right, and it curves and it starts going down, because here's the problem is that, and the worst case scenario of it, the worst case example of it is in

Japan and Germany, and China, I'm sorry, Japan, Germany, and China. Because in China, remember the one baby policy? So they did that for, I don't know, I'm going to say 50. years since what the 60s or 70s probably the reason they did that I want to say Mao I probably got that wrong to is that he decided that there were too many peasants like there's too many people citizens and they're going to eat us that first of all they were they had a bunch of bad seasons for crops and there was starvation and then they decided we'll go with one one child per family and that will decrease the population enough that we can feed them,

whether it did or not, I don't know. But they stuck with that for 50 years because they have a massive population. So what happened is that the problem with that is that if you were born, if you wanted a baby and you had a baby and it was a little girl, you're chucking it down the well. Or you're taking that baby and you're sending it off to be adopted in America. There was a time in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, where if you wanted to adopt a child,

you could get a little girl from China. Cheap. They're just giving them away. You used to see people walk away. You see gay couples walking around or just couples in general walking around with a little Chinese girl constantly. So what happened is, here's the problem,

is that there's a gap, right? Like as people retire, you need someone there to work those jobs and take care of you. That working class has shrunk. And because there were a ton for every one male, I'm sorry, for every one male in China, for every, for every like three women, I'm sorry, for every for every one male in China, there's like three, is there three, no, is there three women? No, there are more men than women. That's what it is. The problem is is that that man is marrying one woman and you've got a couple of women that aren't having children. or aren't married. And so what's happening is your working class is shrinking, but your retirement people, people are retiring. So they're retiring, and there's nobody there to take care of them.

And the income that they're making is no longer being pumped back into the system. And the people that are working that should be growing is shrinking. So that tax base is also shrinking. So you have fewer people to take care of them. And even worse, the old people when they retire are living longer. Now, it's happening in a really bad place. It is in China, Japan, and Germany. And mostly Japan and Germany, the issue with Japan and Germany is that a ton of their population died off during the war. And then after the war, it took decades for them to regroup and rebuild their income, I'm sorry, their economy. And as a result, they weren't having kids.

You're poor. You don't have kids. Like, the governments over there aren't helping you raise your kids. They're not giving you. there's no welfare yeah there's no fucking food stamps you just don't have kids so there was decades where they just weren't having kids and now the problem is now they start having kids again well that's let's say right now you say okay well let's start having kids great it's 20 years before they're working the problem's happening right now people are retiring right now they're shrinking

now if you start having kids now it's the it's the economy is completely collapsed by the time you have kids that are ready to work yeah to back up what you're saying some of the search The gender ratio at birth in China is around 110 males to every 100 females, which is the highest in the world. This gender imbalance is expected to lead in declining of birth rates and marriage squeeze in the next 20, 30 years. So, and that's 23rd years. So that's 50, 20, 20, 60. What is it in 20, in 2080, it's collapse. There's tons of people that are retired and there's none enough people working.

And those people that are working, let's say you say, well, to pay for these people care, let's tax a shit out of them. So we tax a shit out of them. So now that middle class that has kids, they're poor. They don't have kids anymore. So it compounds the problem because they're not having kids anymore. You basically have to pay them to have kids. And if you go right now to Japan and stuff, they're paying people to have kids. We'll give you free health care.

We'll give you like they're desperate to have children. The Japanese are allowing mass immigration into their country. They don't like anybody, by the way. So they're allowing anybody to come because their whole population is shrinking and they're old. The old people are retiring and these fuckers are living. These people live all long time and they need things that they don't have enough of a working class to provide. It's an issue. Do you ever watch those videos where you can buy a house in Japan?

There are brand new houses you can buy for $4,000, $5,000, $10,000. I didn't know that. Oh, my God, bro. You got to watch this. You could go right now. They've got guys that have YouTube channels where they're just renovating. They're going and getting her house for $10,000 that's 2,000 square feet. And they're renovating the whole house.

And they're like, you understand that this entire, that not the entire country, but that throughout the entire country, there are just abandoned houses. Somebody died. They had no children. They had no heirs. The house is abandoned. And the city takes the house back. they sell it. Who are we going to sell it to? Nobody wants to buy the house. Why? Because housing is so cheap. You're just giving me something I have to renovate and keep up. What am I going to do? I can't

rent it. The population is shrinking. We've got plenty of houses. So foreigners are coming in and they're letting them come on in. Come on in. Where it used to be not the case at all. No, of course. You couldn't immigrate to if you were a black guy and you wanted to immigrate to Japan. That's not happening. An American? Absolutely. not you want to come over from Germany or fuck you these people are extremely racist now they're like listen it's not a big deal come on they need that the only thing I can think that might help that is robots because now robots could take care of these old people robots can can do things much much cheaper if I can buy a doctor I can buy a doctor the best doctor around for 30 grand

and I can finance them or nurse do you know what my mother's nursing care was on 20 24 she's in a nursing home had her own private nurses which my which my which we pay well my sister paid for out of my mother's savings and retirement it was like 150 to 150,000 and change to have 24 hour care for my mother. And she, of course, paid for her condo was paid for in the retirement home. You imagine it's roughly a couple hundred thousand dollars to take care of your mother nonstop if she needs to be retired, unless if you don't want to do it. Well, I thought, what if I could just buy a Tesla robot for $30,000?

He doesn't need a break. He doesn't work 40 hours a week. He works 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I can monitor and I can monitor the Tesla bot. You don't even have to monitor because in 10 years, they will be so good at what they're doing. I mean, yeah, you could monitor it, but I mean, they will be truly, truly like, like the best nurse ever, ever. He'll never get frustrated with your mom. He'll never snap at her. He'll never be spiteful. And that's a part of the future. I hear you.

I don't, I don't, I don't fear that. I look forward to that. And I don't think that it's just, it's going to not, it's going to take away jobs and all of that. I do because those three women that were taking care of my mom, they don't, get to take care they don't have to take now in a good way so but it's also a bad way so but there'll still be a need for human uh supervision but not three okay so the other two have to do something else they're not going to be like oh well not even two i can't do that i don't think you need supervision you're not supervising vehicles that are driving by yourself you don't need supervision in 10 years when these things are are amazing that's that's that's that's my whole thing this has gone on forever

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