Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - WILL JAY-Z GO TO PRISON!? | Prison Expert Explains

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

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17-year-old Rihanna and then you learn about Alia and you learn about how young Beyonce was and then you look at his alleged son. Jay-Z's got a history with these girls. Do you believe Jay-Z is really this nefarious Diddy-like player? I, um, oh, I probably shouldn't say this. You've been really covering the Diddy Jay-Z stuff pretty well. I was curious to your opinion on some of these characters in the space. What the Jay-Z of it all, like I don't doubt Jay Z's done some bad things. Especially the women that he's dating, the ages, the Rihanna clip is really troubling when you watch that one about sign this deal or you can either go out the window or have you seen that clip or Jay Z is telling Rihanna. Play the cue the clip.

There's who is to leave here. Either through the door with the deal signed or through this window and we're on the 29th floor. There's a clip where Jay Z is sitting like there's two ways to leave this room signing the contract or out the window. And this is like a 18, 17-year-old, like Rihanna, who tells this story to Tyra Banks. It's troubling. Like, and then you learn about Alia and you learn about how young Beyonce was. Jay-Z's got a history with these girls. And I'm like, and then you look at Rymar, his illegitimate alleged son, there's definitely

some smoke there that I'm like, what's going on? But do you believe the Jaguar rights and everybody out there that Jay-Z is really this nefarious diddy-like player who's, you know, as bad? as him? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, um, oh, I probably shouldn't say this. Oh, well, there's, well, just because I'm just because I'm thinking, like most people,

they, they get power. Let's just, um, I'm not saying what I was going to say. Uh, you get some power and you become, you start getting menacing. And I think that these guys are extremely menacing. And you hear things, listen, you hear things. Listen, you hear things in that industry, in the kind of the hip hop industry that have happened, that just don't happen in other industries, you know, holding guys over balconies and telling them they have to sign over their, like, what are you doing? Like, I mean, they act like their mafia bosses back in the 1920s and they can get away with anything. And the problem is that a lot of times they do, and they surround themselves by yes men.

they, you know, I think that they get, you know, they get power hungry and they get a bunch of money and they make a bunch of money. And then the hip hop culture celebrates, you know, brutalizing people, shooting them, you know, not snitching. You know, you create this culture where that kind of behavior is embraced and everybody thinks it's just wonderful and how cool it is to brutalize somebody and treat them horribly and take their stuff and laugh about it and get away with it because you've got a ton of money and yeah, you're like that.

It's like you're a scumbag and everybody thinks it's kind of cool and funny until it happens to them and then they run around and complain about it and then nobody wants to listen to them. You know, you've got Jaguar right out there saying this is what he's doing and it's wrong. This is what these people are doing and they're wrong. And she's completely ignored

until it's 100% everywhere and in your face And then it's like, okay, yeah, you were right. Then she gets some credit, but she's been saying it forever. People don't, it's the same thing with the Courtney Burgess. Hey, I think this whole thing's made up. Whether it's true or not, I think you made it up. Nobody wants to hear that.

When we came out and we let Wade talk about how the memoir was true, right? The Kim Porter memoir was true. And we let him pitch it as if it was true, video blows up. The moment you come out and say, listen, it's not. not true. All of this isn't true. And not just that. We don't think that there are really tapes. We don't believe this. Here's what's going on. Here's how the stories changed. The guy's a liar. Guess what immediately happens. Those videos don't do well. They want to believe the sensationalism, you know, and they celebrate gun violence and and brutalizing people. And it's a

horrible, horrible, you know, I don't say genre, but, you know, industry in general. So yeah, I absolutely believe it. I absolutely believe it. Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't, I don't disagree. There's a lot of like, oh, well, her, him and Beyonce are drinking the blood of what I, that's where it goes a little too far for me, but I will say there's clearly something going on because to see Jay Z's lawyers that Alex, um, a Spyro, he's, he's no joke and he was putting a full court press out there. And he did a pretty good job at a certain point I thought where he was discrediting that woman who was filing the suit against him.

then I sort of I talked to Natanya and others who are like who've experienced the world of Jay Z, Diddy, and that environment and just the levels they'll go to it's possible that they paid off the father or other things that happened. So it's a wild story, but I guess that's where

I'm just trying to figure out. Do you think Jay Z will eventually be named in this or held accountable by anybody? Or do you think there is a point where you get so powerful that he can just keep fighting and get away with it? I think it's the I think the moment it gets away with you in the press and everybody starts paying attention, you know, evil, you know, despises the light.

You know what I'm saying? So the moment it's everywhere, it becomes a thing where it's like, okay, you can't shut enough people. Too many people are talking about you can't shut them all up. It's the whole ditty coming out saying all these women are complete liars. They're all liars. None of it's true. I've never done anything like that. They're all, they're all money grubbing, you know, pieces of garbage.

And then there's a, suddenly there's, there's a video of you in the hallway smacking the crap out of a chick and dragging her back in the room. And then it becomes, okay, well, that one's true. But all the others are like, stop it, bro. That that wasn't an, you know what it's, it's like Rodney King. It's like when people were coming out saying, saying that, oh, the police beating this guy was a random event. it was a one-time thing.

It was, that was an isolated event. It was an isolated event. Absolutely. The police beating Rodney King was an isolated event on camera that got caught on camera. The fact is all the other beatings that are happening

just weren't caught on camera. Correct. They're happening. The isolated event part of that scenario was that there was a camera. That's the only isolated part of that whole scenario. The police be doing all these beatings, that's a given that was happening but the police were like oh no no no that was an isolated event no it wasn't

the camera being there was the isolated event that's the same thing with all of these guys well and diddy's downfall for me was not obvious it was just it was that but it was also his like denial of it when he settled and it was like nothing everything she said was a lie I never did anything and then I was like oh wait actually he did do that one uh his credibility shot I guess that's what I'm waiting because did he's done we agree right did he's done he's toast nobody's seen him I feel like even people are losing interest in talking about it because they're kind of like, it's over. Best case scenario, the best deal he gets is 15 to 20 years and we see him in 10 to 12 years. But best case.

Jay Z, though, Jay Z, I don't know, Beyonce just did the Netflix, Beyonce Bowl, huge ratings allegedly. He's at the premier Mufasa with Disney. They're not even stopping him from coming. Do you think he'll actually face any accountability? Or even, will there be a serious allegation beyond the one that actually holds up and gets people to like you say put the pressure on i mean i feel i feel like there's something should happen and will it happen i don't know what they have it might you know honestly i don't know

it depends on what comes out maybe in the trial what what evidence comes out you know do these people testify what is did he say like if did he started cooperating like he could start cooperate right now and start grabbing people, plucking people off the street. You know, hey, I can give you this guy. I can give you this guy. I can give you this guy. Like that might be the, so do I think, if that happened for sure, I think that these guys get caught up in it. Is there a version though where it's like, okay, Jay Z isn't a whole. Jay Z's controlling, freak, powerful. He's hooking up with questionably aged women, whatever. I mean, like 18, maybe 17 in New York. He's doing that line. But none of it's legal, illegal.

Is there a version where that's the worst of it? And sure, he's just a mean guy, not the best employee, you know, maybe a skeezy guy. Like, do you think there's a version, though, or that's all he's guilty of? Yeah, I think that he probably is guilty of that the fact is the fact that they roped this whole thing into a RICO charge is, to me, is weak. you're using RICO to say that you're using your record label as some kind of an organized crime, you know, or as an organized crime, you know, whatever, unit or or company or whatever. I think that that seems weak to me. I think what ends up happening is you've got the gun charges on him and maybe you get the,

he's definitely, he's guilty of. of paying sex workers. You're just talking Diddy, but I was talking Jay-Z. Oh, okay, oh, okay. Because I'm with you. We said Diddy's going there. With Jay-Z, though, I'm just like, what's the charge? There was one serious charge.

But even that one, I'm like, this woman's not a good witness. Right. And then everyone's like, Jay-Z's guilty. We had to destroy Jay-Z. And I'm like, based on what-based on what? Also, the statute of limitations on that charge. I'm thinking about Jay-Z being pulled into Diddy's stuff. Got it, because he was there clearly more than he wants to admit.

Right. And so I'm thinking that. And I don't even mean to try to say like, Jay Z is innocent. I'm just trying to figure out like how everyone wants Jay Z to be arrested. And I'm like, on what? Well, yeah, no, I don't think he gets, okay, on that. I don't think he gets arrested on that because the statute of limitations is up.

Right. Station of limit. Everybody's like, oh, and that's why when he comes out, he's like, charge me criminally. But bro, you know the statute of limitations. Like, that that's how stupid. Well, first of all, two things. One, that's how stupid he thinks society is. And that's how stupid society is.

And that's how stupid society is. Yeah. Because he knows how stupid his fan base and just society. If I was guilty of it, you should arrest me criminally. Like, bro, you already know. They can't do that. They can't do that. That's why you're mouthing off like that.

You would think right then that was so disingenuous that anybody with a brain would be like, oh, wow, bro, you got something to hide. The fact that that's what your defense is. Right. And then how much else can't get criminally charged now because he's blocked him off? Right. I think that if there's an investigation, I think that if the trial goes forward with Diddy, I think there more stuff comes out about Jay-Z,

and I think that may manifest itself in charges of some kind. That's what I think. Then he probably gets arrested. But it depends. You know, does he, he's probably, he's so arrogant. He's going to go to trial. Name names? Or really just take it all.

He's so arrogant. If he was smart, he'd take a deal right now, but he's arrogant. He's going to end up going to trial and getting 45 years. I mean, you've been in prison. Is there a point you think where he's going to say enough? I'll cave. I'm going to give it up. Yeah, but here's a.

I mean, yes, most of these guys, once they lose their appeals, they lose their, what's called a 2255, where you file ineffective assistance of counsel, where you say my lawyers were ineffective. They didn't help them. Right. Costco lawyers saying the loops. Costco? Come on. So, bad lawyer. So they're going to, at that point, but by that point, it's been seven or eight years. And now they start to think, I let, I could have talked and I could have given up all these people. I could have cut a deal. I could have saved myself. And at that point, statute of limitations is up. There's nothing you can do. You're done. Sit down. Like, you're going to do the rest of your time.

That's what happened. At that point, it's like, oh, I need a pardon. I need this. I need that. And by that point, everybody's forgot about you. Your money's all gone. Your fans are sending you 50 bucks here, 10 bucks here. But the truth is, you're just an old man now who's going to do,

who's got 45 more years to go. And there's no one who can tell Diddy this, too, because it's not like you can go. watch your channel on YouTube, right? He's knocked away from all reality. And I'm sure his lawyers are all telling him, like, we're going to beat this. Send this another 100,000. We need to, we're going to get this witness. This, this expert. It's crazy. It's true. Training him out of money as much as they know they can get. And then the lawsuit. And he's sort of stuck. Like, you want to keep retaining us and keep going? He's got to, they're not doing this pro bono at this

point. What about all these lawsuits? They're asking for outrageous amounts because they're waiting for those people get delayed, right? He's going to delay all those after trial. Of course, they want to. You know why? Because the moment he's found guilty, you've got no defense. If you settle now for a few million dollars, okay. But if you lose at trial, that $3 million for this one, $6 million for this one, $4 million for those lawsuits that could be settled right now for nominal change compared to what this guy's got.

Once you're found guilty, it's over. They're going to, those civil lawyers will continue to, civil cases will continue to go forward. and now you can't even get on the stand because as soon as you do, they're going to say, um, uh, uh, Mr. Diddy or, you know, is a shot, Mr. Colmes, Mr. Colmes, uh, what you just found guilty of this and this and this? You can't even get there and say, oh, well, none of that's true. Oh, it's not true. So you're not even going to own up the fact that the government and a jury of your peers has

already found you guilty of all these things. The same thing, by the way, that my client is saying that she was a part of and he's going to what? So that five million you could have said. settled for probably just turned into 50 million because the jury's going to be like scumbag yeah and the lawyer's going to want to get as much they're not going to get money at that point because he's probably broke well I mean that depends how much the lawyers get there will be they'll be selling off his assets they'll get something but it's interesting because

then you go look at that Courtney Burgess lawsuit which is like fascinating because I'm sure the lawyers are seeing well maybe we actually can get some money off of this and use that as a way to sort of connect it they're just trying to shut him down because let's face it I don't think I don't think that the lawyer has any money. I know Courtney doesn't have any money. Super Bowl is finally here. It's not just the biggest game of the year. It's the ultimate betting event.

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where the people try to get in on the circus and lie about it. And that was part of my struggling and covering it was like, you want to please the circus because they're your viewers. They really want that salacious stuff. They want to believe everything. We try our best to be very, when we're unsure, we say, look, alleged is an allegation. We don't want to put out lies ever, especially on purpose. But there were some accusers. I don't want to get in the names of them all, but you probably interviewed some of them, too. There were some people. I was like, you're full of shit, is what I was thinking as I'm doing it. And I tried my best to be respectful as a host, but also challenge.

But I don't know, did you experience that? As you've been covering Diddy that some of these people are not always being as fully honest with you. I interviewed Courtney Burgess. You know who he is? I avoided him. Oh, listen. Once again. I don't even want shade with him.

He texts me still, but I don't know. I just didn't, especially now, I don't believe it. No, but then your instincts are spot on because it's a complete, like. Have you interviewed Chris Todd? Of course. Multiple times. Chris Todd is a, look, I'll say this because I did a whole video with him. I didn't, I didn't release it because I'm just like, I don't want to keep giving him

attention. That's all he wants. He'll say anything to sell a book. He's an attention whore. Yeah, absolutely. And I say it with love. Like, he's the only one. who I feel like has been.

Oh, you don't. But I will give him more respect, and it sounds like I'm going to because he's at least honest about it. Like from day one, I knew that's what his deal was. Like I'm like, you're not hiding the fact that you're a little shady. Like he admits it.

A lot of these other players, they don't admit it. Right. That's the only, that's what I'll say. I'm giving him in that. You don't like Chris Todd. No,

we have issues. You know, and, you know, here's the problem is that the Courtney Burgess thing. I think, well, you know what I think it is with Chris Todd,

I think it's willful blindness. Like Courtney Burgess comes to you and says he has Kim Porter's memoir. He, that he has these, he has one hard drive that contains her, her alleged memoir, right, that was written that, or that he got a few days after her, days after her, funeral. And Chris Todd gets it and or he gets the thing and he reads it and reading it, you have to know it's untrue. Right. So as you're reading it, it's just completely, it's complete, it's so over the top inflammatory and there's people you're talking about. And really what he's done is you would think you would realize like, hey, all this guy did was take a bunch of rumors and try and weave it together. And a lot of the stuff doesn't make sense. If the dates don't

actually makes sense, like, hey, he came to my house. You didn't have a house, like the house that Diddy bought her. He hadn't, at the time, he hadn't built the house yet. Like, there's all kinds of things that don't make sense. And it's absolutely, Courtney Burgess wrote the whole thing and thought he'd cash in on the Diddy, on what's happening with Diddy. And he'd been trying to cash in for a while. And nobody was taking it seriously until eventually he, he and And Wade, connected with Wade Williams, Wade Williams put him together with Chris Todd. And he actually came to me first. Because I know nothing about hip hoc, I said, bro, I know nothing about hip hop.

It would take me too long to figure it out. I'd have to rewrite a bunch of the book. You know, even if I just took a bunch of excerpts, I'd still have to, I'd be dumping a bunch of time into something I don't know anything about. And I don't want to talk about something I know nothing about. So I said, I'm not interested. And he said, well, what do you think about Chris Todd? And I said, well, I think he's, I think he's, you know, a media horror. And I think that that's, I think that this is right up his alley.

Like, he doesn't mind. First of all, we don't know if it's true. And Wade was like, it's, Wade said, I think that it's probably bullshit that she wrote it. But I think 80% of what it's in there is true. I just don't think she wrote it. Right. And I said, that won't slow Chris Todd down. So send it to Chris, see what he does.

Got it to Chris. Chris dragged his feet forever. But then Diddy's house gets raided. So then he puts something together right away. He publishes the book. It's just right after Diddy gets arrested. And it's still, for two weeks, nothing. It sold 32 copies.

So Wade says, hey, can I, this thing's not selling. But nobody knows. Well, Chris is going to hate you giving Wade all the credit. Oh, yeah. Well, here's what happened. This is just, you know, there's timestamps. So, and I did a video. But so Wade, so Wade goes, hey, man, he says, look, these guys do not.

First of all, Chris didn't even want his name on it. Right. He put Jamal, whatever on it. Tupac's, you know, alleged name he's living under, you know, if he's still alive, whatever. You guys are idiots. Anyway, point is, is that none of these guys, because it's so untrue and they know it, Chris Todd didn't want his name associated with, neither one. So Wade calls these two knuckleheads and says, look, do you guys mind if I, I won't mention

your names because they were like, don't mention our names, don't mention our names. Why would you say that? So he comes on my show, Wade and I do a podcast on it, a remote, right, like a remote podcast. It gets 800 and something,000 views on a remote. I'm not sure. I don't have almost a million subscribers, by the way. So that was huge for us. That was like, oh, my God.

So then what happens is Chris Todd sees that it's suddenly, guess what? It starts selling. And I mean thousands of copies. They end up selling almost 30,000 copies in about three weeks. So then Chris Todd, after two days, goes, oh, my God, let's get some press. This is a business blowing up. So he immediately goes, and he does an article with like some other, some newspaper, some rag newspaper, but, you know, Hollywood brag bullshit. So he goes and does that and that article gets a bunch of traction.

And he uses his own name. And then he does another one. And then everybody wants to talk to Chris Todd. And then I do another, another thing. You did that art of the dialogue where it was just a, the art of dialogue guy fucked that interview up massively. It just was such a, it made Chris look good. Oh, I think it, I don't think anything makes Chris look good. But I hear what you're saying.

He was so interrupting and, like, Chris held his own. And that was the best, I think, Chris had. Yeah, yeah, after that, well, once they started dismantling the book, but you have to understand that these people want to believe the book's true. 100%. So the point is, is that I did another video. That was big. Then I get Courtney Burgess on.

But when I get Courtney Burgess on, we have a whole conversation where it's like, but now Courtney has changed it, by the way. He's changed so many things. It went from getting one disc afterward to getting. to getting multiple discs prior to. And now he's saying he got multiple discs at different points. But keep in mind, he says, but the, the Crim Porter manuscript I got like four years or three years before she died. But the manuscript is written up till the day she dies.

So she's putting entries until the day she dies where she's like, I got pneumonia. He got me. You know, that bastard's killed me. And the next day she's dead. Or that day she's dead. Sorry. My favorite was also Courtney when he was like, oh, yeah, I kept the hard drive or I threw it in the fire. It's like, how do you not know which one you did?

You have to understand the whole time when he's talking about being raided and everything. He's texting me. Hey, I was raided today. He's texting everybody. Yeah, he just, he can't shut up. Well, what happened was this is that I got him to a point where I was like, so what you're saying is you have CP. You've watched the CP. I have a whole video where he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't watch the whole thing. I just watched enough to know that I'm like. I miss this one. Oh, it's great. You're watching this. You're watching that. He's like, I'm like, so you still have it? Yeah, yeah, I got it. How'd you watch it on mic? So you took the disc, you put it in your laptop. You've watched it on the laptop. You've got him to admit this in the video? Oh, my God. How did it? I'll send it. It's hilarious. I'll send it to you. And he just, not to disrespect you. I don't watch you. I don't watch the whole thing. But Reis, our beard lawyer connected us here because we live so we live so I'm glad we did it. And now I've been checking more of your stuff. But this, I have to go back and watch this one. I'll send this to you. Please, please. I'll give you a mile so you don't have to watch the whole thing. Because it's Courtney, so it's horrible. So there's a lot of us cutting out him. Oh, yeah, well, what will happen? You know, in the streets, you know, stop it.

So anyway, we get to a- He's fucked in that lawsuit, don't you think? Oh, he's screwed. Diddy is actually, they gave Diddy a massive win. I did a whole video. Thank you, which got almost, which probably got 50 or 100,000 views. I did a whole video on how you just handed. And by the way, you know what Chris Todd is?

I did a video with Chris Todd where I yelled at him and said you gave a Diddy. I didn't release it because I'm like, he was, there promoting his new book. And I'm like, fuck this. I cut that out. I cut that shit out. So you know what happened? You know what he said?

He goes, so you know what happened was when, when, so we're getting off on tangent, but when Courtney came out, he told Chris Todd I had, here's the DVD or here's the book and Chris Todd ran with it. And, you know, he didn't run it. There were never tapes, right? No. Yeah. So, so what happened was he then, he told Christaugh that there are tapes.

And I have tapes with, you know, Bieber and, and. and Usher and all these things. Okay, fine. Snoop Dog. He called me and told me all these fake names, yes. So, um, uh, uh, Will Smith's son. And it's like, he's just throwing them in there. So what happens is Chris Todd hears there are tapes.

Willful blind is he wants to believe it. Now he says, oh, I, I've seen screenshots. What you saw was, the same screenshots that I saw are, are screenshots that are taken out of context of Diddy. You can't tell who's in them. And these are screenshots that have been on the internet. for 10 years. So he sent you those. You didn't look into it because you don't look into anything you do. And you said, I've seen screenshot because it gave it validity. And then you went around

to different media outlets trying to sell the tapes. Well, he got even more sinister. He got Ariel Mitchell Kid to go do it for him. Right. And that started because prior to that, it was just Diddy is having these sex parties and there's videos. You started the rumor that there are underage children involved. Correct. Correct. And so you started that spin and that end ultimately, and the government knew it, didn't have it, didn't shut you up, and the court didn't shut you up. So it shut you up. So guess what? You've now given Diddy, all Diddy they have to do is get you two knuckleheads on the stand to admit what you did. And Diddy, it's going to look like a conspiracy. And you're going to give him a huge win. You just did a huge disjustice to what

should have been a very, a slam dunk case. So put that aside. Well, just not because you're right. This is a really good conversation because I think people need to hear this part, which is like, people don't want to hear this. They don't want to hear because they want to accept the tapes are real. You can't handle the truth. That's the problem.

No, there is a Bieber tape. If there was a Bieber fucking sex tape, the feds would be all over it. He would be in jail. They'd have already put it out. Did he would be in jail. That's my worry. They don't have this kind of shit. Did he revealed when he leaked that there are nine tapes, there are no celebrities.

There's nobody. drugged. So going back to what you said, just to reiterate, because I share this whole wholeheartedly with you, and the audience doesn't because they want to be salacious. But it's so depressing because that Ariel Mitchell kid who I had on the show and I pressed her, she, to me, what she did was incredibly illegal. She was on News Nation, basically extorting Justin Bieber on television. The Lord Can't Save You Now. It was the language she did because he's very religious, Justin. And this minor is on tape. The only way to stop it is to buy it. she said it like multiple times and news nation sitting there like humoring this and I'm like

what is happening which is why they're part of the lawsuit 100% and honestly I think they all should be sued and I hope I are being sued no I'm saying I hope diddy wins that one for for actually so now I'm like supporting Diddy on something because all those people did such a detriment to the case and to the actual victims and like you said they've they don't balloon this into something else that the public has run with that is going to help Diddy when he argues and fights Cassie and whatever else. I don't even know what, what do they actually have against him?

I'm dying to find out what the actual, is there, do you think there's a version where Diddy gets off? I think that they've weakened his case considerably at this point. And I think that he, if he's smart,

which he's not, because he's super arrogant, keeps thinking he's going to get out of jail. He thinks he's going to get out of jail and he's going to be able to work deals out with all these witnesses and shut the whole thing down. In his mind, he's still,

he's probably, yeah, yeah, but he's probably, get he if his lawyers are smart but they're not what the lawyers are trying to do is get him to pay them as much money yep go to trial with that money put out put on a half ass case and have him go to fucking prison for 30 or 45 years and just cash out and kick back they'll fight a 2255 and an appeal and a 2255 they'll get the rest of his money they'll sell off everything he has and the lawyers will end up with everything and he'll be begging people to send money to his commissary account so he can keep these guys from from extorting him or these guys

to pay these guys that are extorting them. Anyway, the point is... That's a very real... I think you just nailed it on the end. If he was smart, he would... They would go forward and they'd say, look, let us take a 10 or 15-year deal. Let's get it down.

They're going to say 30. You argue it down to 20. You do a media campaign. You try and get it down to 20. Maybe he gets 20 or 15. On 20 years, he'll do 12. He's already done it almost a year. You know what I'm saying?

Like at this point, he should be... He already realizes by this point, if I need to get out of this holdover, and get to prison because prison's 10 times better. But what is what is the charge that you think they're going to get them on realistically because I think he's got some gun charges that's the big thing is the reason they're so confident and they're probably not offering him deals is he's got gun charges he's got he's got a lot of guns with marked with Mark yes yes you've got a lot

of so but what about the trafficking and the racketeering and all that stuff because it's like there's he's going to make the argument well they were all consensual yeah they were all adults I mean but they're going to put you they're going to put 12 people on the stand that are all going to say the same thing plus they've already got him on the guns and the jury's going to believe them. He's sitting at the, he's sitting at the, at the defendant's, uh, stand. They've heard all the rumors. They're probably waiting for the, it's true. The feds probably enjoyed all the rumors spreading because it only helped them seem like they had even more than they do. Right. And keep, keep in mind too, by the way, when, when Courtney got

called to testify in front of the grand jury, by that point, he had told me he'd been raided twice and that the feds had taken the five or taken the deep the um the discs they took them he then went in front of the grand jury and said he threw them away yes he then got called back at this point Ariel knows he's lying he said he's this is a conflict that's why when when on news nation when they're like so you're you got raided and she was like wait let's clarify he's already saying yeah and they said no no no and she's like let's clarify that that's not a raid they simply served a subpoena and then they're saying he she keeps saying he had and then Chris Todd's calling everybody oh he got raided he got raided she keeps calling everybody saying

I'm sorry calling she keeps clarifying what he's saying she keeps saying um he used to be in possession he used to be in so it makes people are thinking it the feds got it but the truth is they then call him back again by the time they call him back again they're trying to get him to clarify that, um, uh, that, that he threw away the, because now he's, they've caught him in multiple lies when he got the tape. So now they're going to bring them back and get him. She shuts it down and says, no, he's going to plead the fifth because now they're like, we've already got him on record once saying this.

Now he's come up with videos that say are contrary, which is that the feds took the tape. They know he already told them that they know he already told them that he throw them away. So now they're going to get him to come back and admit, well, why is it? it a few days afterward, you said this. Now they're going to clarify things. Now they got them on the record. They're going to get them for perjury. They're going to get them for lying to a federal officer.

They're going to get them for all kinds of different violations. And they're going to get them charged. That's what they should have done. They should have charged him. The government's only recourse at this point is to charge this guy. And they haven't. Yeah. What's something, he is being sued.

Yeah, he's there. There's some major, for Courtney. For Courtney. Yeah, yeah. For Courtney. No, 100%. No, I think with Did he his best bet, take 15 or 20 years. You could get it down to 15 or 20.

At this point, because of Courtney Burgess, get it, take 10 or 15 years, go to prison, do all the programs, don't take the charge, the essay, any of the essay charges because you're not going to get, get, be able to program and get time off. Right. So take the gun charges. take the RICO. Don't do anything that has to sign anything, including enhancements that have anything to do with anything sexual in nature. And then you can program,

and you'll be out in 10 or 12 years. Smart. I'll have to come by my studio to tell that story again. That's the best he's got. I think you're spot on on that. Okay. Really quick, you guys keep referencing this lawsuit with Courtney.

is there like just came out he got sued he got sued his lawyer got sued news media got sued news nation I'm sorry news nation

news nation Ariel and Courtney not Chris Todd Chris Todd somehow didn't get involved in that lawsuit Chris Todd's probably a witness yeah I guess

he probably he's probably behind this he probably already made a deal they are bad people yeah well listen and Chris Todd I got swindle

I had no idea it's true as much as a whatever you know this guy is hack this guy is is the thing is i didn't say that chris don't come after me bro he's he's harmless you know i don't know

how he makes it he's got to have a day job right because he nobody buys his books if you look at the if you ever gone on and look at the um reviews like there's like 13 people left a review i don't know what he's thinking about that new book or he named everybody like who wants to read his fan fiction what you know he and Courtney are working on a book together well all i know is chris just released a new one with a whole bunch of weird misnamed people you know that You know that supposedly What I'm hearing Why did the Amazon book get pulled?

Okay, so it got pulled Because a cease and desist was sent to Amazon Okay, from the kids. No, and no, initially it was from Because there's a lot of books on there Making allegations. I'll be sure. Oh, that's right, it was Albi Sure.

I did know that one, yeah. I'll be sure sent it saying that there was litigation, cease and desist, or you're going to be a part of the, you know. Right, so Amazon just pulled it to me because of an actual. lawsuit that came in. Correct. And that was the problem. Because legally, they probably is an argument that it could have been up there. Don't you think? Oh, it absolutely could have been it. Listen,

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Exclusions may apply. I can already tell you, I know exactly what they did make. It was like millions of dollars, right? No, no. It sold over like one and a half million dollars worth of, but keep in mind, if you sell a $22 book, you get like $7. Right, okay. So, but what they made, I would love to be able to duplicate their success.

Listen, good, nice. So we're talking about, I'll tell you later. Anyway, the point is, is that in Chris Todd's defense, I think Chris Todd, although I do believe it's willful blindness, I don't think he looked into it. And I'm, you know, I think that he got approached by Wade and Courtney. He started working with Courtney. Courtney said he had all these tapes. He wanted it to be true. He started shopping them.

at some point though he had to realize that Courtney doesn't have the tapes Courtney wouldn't show them to him wouldn't send him anything and and they put out the book he wanted the book to be whether it's true or not I don't know and he wanted it to be true it started selling it's the most success he's ever had in his life times about a hundred very big head from it yes got a big head from it for a guy who was already an arrogant prick um you know so he goes so he does this whole thing and um but i you know i i think that it was willful blindness i don't think he looked into it like he should have but i don't think that he he knew 100% that it wasn't he probably thought

it wasn't true or it might be true but he just didn't care he saw the money he didn't care and and the person telling like you're telling me let's say well because he wanted to sell the movie rights that was the next thing yeah which was never going to happen you don't own it and in his mind he's thinking that i copy wrote it no so i own the copyright like you don't I can copyright anything as long as it's not already copywritten. So it's not Chris Todd's life story. No, Chris, you know, stop. I loved it when the whole time when they were like, well, if you want to sue Jeff Bezos, go ahead.

It's like, Chris, they're not going to sue Joe Spitt Bezos. They're going to file cease and desist. They're going to take the book down. Correct. And I even have texts of me telling him, yo, bro, I think you've got some issues here. I think they're going to sue you and they're going to get the book taken down and this and And he's like, well, they want to sue Jeff Bezos. And he's saying this stuff in text.

And listen, within four days, the book is down. Yeah. It's like, boom, the book's down. It's like, I told you, you've got some issues. It's the arrogance that, you know. Well, he's just pumping out books now because you're right, because he saw the success. Like, oh, I can do it's like, it wasn't about. He lost focus.

It was never about Kim for him. And that's why it sold because it was Kim, allegedly Kim's words. Yes. And he totally manipulated that, used that to his advantage to make a pay day. and then he didn't realize that he needed to actually care about the justice of it. If he had done that, and even if he exposed Courtney, he could have probably figured out a way to write the next book and actually built a good persona online that would have helped him and his books and his reporting. Well, the problem is, I don't think any of this has hurt him.

Like, you see what I'm saying? Like, I don't think he had a great name to begin with. But I think that it probably got him, it obviously got him more publicity, more attention, more people who he is. He's probably going to sell a lot more books for this, you know. know, he can, he can solve what, the Menendez parents murder, find out who really murdered them, hit their parents. For every case, he's going to figure, who really did it. He's going to feel your, for every case that, every solved case out there, he's going to

figure out who really did it. It wasn't Brian Laundry after all. I didn't know that. It's like, it's like, Kurt Cobain, you know, wrote a note. There's a video. People were in the room. And he's going to solve the found out who really killed him. There's some pretty big theories of against Corvich.

No, I'm just saying, in general, that's. how bad it could be. Like there could be a video of the guy doing it himself. I'm going to find out who really did it. But yeah, he's a, he'll probably, this probably was the biggest thing ever for him and he'll probably make something of it, you know. God bless him. God bless him. I'm not here to judge him. Go get your money, Chris. He won't be on this program again. And I'm not saying because of me. I'm saying because he despise, we despise each other at this point. But yeah, yeah. He seems to have that effect on a lot of people. He does. A lot of people. I'm still go with them.

I'm not going to burn up. Listen, I'll tell you what happened with us real quick, is that listen to this. And by the way, I'm sure he's taking 100% credit for this, what I'm about to tell you, although I had nothing to do with him. All the dirty laundry, all the dirty ditty laundry exposed. It's all coming out about Chris Todd. Chris. Anyway, what was so funny is...

Wait, you need this for the promo at the beginning. Chris Todd did what? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Time code that, because it's going to get juicy. So, so, uh, what, what happened is we did a video about, you know, how he, he, he solved the Ron, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Goldman. Goldman and, and yeah, who killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson. Thank you for the, for the, um, so he solved the case, which in, in the end, by the way, is still OJ. You know, it's funny, because, like, you didn't solve anything. You threw another party in there. Like, I don't, what, so anyway, we do a whole video. Oh, really is. I really is. I. I, because I never even read it. He's always claiming he solved the case.

He told me about it. But it's just, it's still OJ? Well, what's the claim? The claim is that this is really killed me. OJ owed the mob $50,000. So they sent kind of like a mob associate with him to collect the money to rob his ex-wife to get the money to pay the mob.

Okay. Well, it's a theory. OJ couldn't come up with 50 grand. Yeah, that's hard to believe. At that phase before he was a murderer, yeah, he would have easily been only get 50 grand. You don't have a credit card? You go swipe a credit card. He'd go do another, what's that?

The gloves commercial, he would have made that. He said, he was a drug out. He was a, he was a drug problem. But still, he could have made another naked gun. He wasn't a murderer at that point. No, no. He could have done, he could have done two golf pros, you know, played at two tournaments. Yeah, that's, that's, well, now that you've exposed the theory, I'm not as into it.

Yeah, I know. I heard about his son. Just about to buy that. Did you hear the theory about the son? Yes. That seems more interesting to me that his son was there and he was just covering up his. son's violent rage. And if Chris Todd was a better writer, he would have gone with that angle.

But he didn't. So anyway. That's a better angle, right? I told him that he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But yeah, that's a better angle. Which is so funny because after the video came out, like, people that he, Chris Todd talked about were emailing me saying, that's not true. Chris Todd lied about that. There are more texts.

Like, Chris Todd, like, talks about a text, and that's the last text I got. And the guy's like, that's bullshit. I can send you screenshots of the text because it continues on and on. Chris Todd just cuts it off at that point. So anyway, whatever. The point is, is that Chris Todd comes on and he talks about O.J. In the whole thing, at one point, I'm like, well, why haven't they come out with this? And Chris Todd goes, I don't know, maybe they're waiting for OJ to die.

And he says specifically, he says, maybe if OJ dies tomorrow, they go, that will come out. He says that very specifically. If OJ dies tomorrow, maybe something will come out or maybe they'll run with it then. And then OJ dies? So here's what happened. Colby edits the video. Was that in the, in the, the little hook at the beginning? No, that was just a part in the middle.

But it was, yeah, it was edited and just put on standby, basically. So he put it on standby, you know why? Because most of our stream yards, if we will have a lot of, we try and play the in-person videos, right? We try and post the in-person videos. And then, so let's say we put this video out and it gets 8,000 views. And we realize within the first day, it's like, okay, this thing's going to put, but it dies tomorrow. Tomorrow it gets 3,000 views and it's dead. Well, we don't want to have 3,000 views on a new video for the channel.

So Colby, am I giving away anything? No. So Colby will drop a stream yard video that he thinks might do okay because it's worth at least another 5 to 10,000 because they don't stream yard. I mean, sorry, remote podcasts obviously don't do that well. They don't do it. They don't have as good of a chance as an in-person video. So he'll drop it just to keep our numbers up, right? To kind of keep the revenue up.

So he'll drop it. So what happens is we had a video that didn't do great. And Colby was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go ahead and drop that one from Chris Todd. And he drops it. Which, no. And OJ, he drops it. And like an hour after or an hour before, whatever, he dropped it.

The family announces OJ Simpson just died. And it, what is that? It was no. it was the day before. That's why. Oh, you dropped it the day before? I got the day before and it did okay and stopped. But then, remember, you called me the next day.

Wow. I thought he dropped it. That's how much I paid attention. Called it and then literally died the next day. And the thing is, it was. And it has nothing to do. It's nothing to do with OJ's death or anything. It got what, seven, 800,000?

It was got, yeah, it was over 500,000. It had already done 20,000 flattened out for that, Herst 4, 24 hours, it's already done. And then, yeah, and then Matt called him. He was like, you'll never believe this. And then sure enough, it just picked up a second leg. Do you know what's so funny is I was driving to the doctor. And I had my phone clicked on, you know, my wife had this, her old car, had this, you know, one of those things that holds your phone.

And I don't know where I'm going. So I'm watching the map, right? I'm driving. I'm okay. And I hear, it's like, ding, you know, I get to push notifications on when people leave comments. You know, ding. Okay. ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding a little bit ding and I'm like so I'm listening this for like 15 minutes I'm like what the fuck is going on now I don't really pay attention because sometimes people will go on like your social media and they'll just like everything you have so you get these Bing Bing you get these never turn that alert off it's too annoying

On July 18th get excited for the summer's biggest adventure I think I just work my pants that's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. I don't because, you know, it makes me feel good about myself. So. Even though you have such a big dick.

Yeah. I've never said that. Look at this. That's a lie. Look at the size of my hands. That's something he came out with. My wife will still tell you that's not true. So I trust me, she's mentioned it.

That's a different story. You have to go find it on the podcast. It's one of those comments with when you're white, when your wife says, you know, yours is perfect. The big ones hurt. You're and you're like, I'm all about productivity, feeling energized, and staying strong.

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it was going. And then finally somebody sent me one where it was a friend, like it was a message, a text. I was like, okay, let me hit the, I hit this. And somebody goes, yo, bro, I don't know if you realize this or not. You just, you put out a video, you know, I guess yesterday. And O.J. Simpson, and he, his, an hour ago or 20 minutes ago, his family notified everybody that he just died. That's crazy. And they're like, it looks like your video is like blowing up.

And I was like, oh my God. And it was, it did great for us. It did great. Yeah, fuck OJ. I mean, I'd love to give Chris Todd some credit for that. But I won't. It's called me. Give you no credit, had nothing to do with you.

He really had nothing to do with Colby. It was a fluke. Now, I'm giving you the props, Colby. I see you back there. It was sitting in the YouTube studio for like two weeks. It's just so happened. It's whoever's video before it failed. It's really their doing.

The timing is important. Kind of what you're talking about, the Will Smith video earlier. When Will Smith slapped Chris Rock, I had a little parody channel. And I just, like, it happened at like 11 o'clock at night. And I uploaded an eight-minute video explaining why it was all staged. Oh, yeah.

And immediately after, and this is the channel with like 20,000 subscribers and it got like 300,000 views overnight. Oh, yeah, I was watching it live on the Oscars and I stopped watching, ran up, turned my studio on and went, filmed it, a million hits that day. Yeah, I was like, I was on it.

I was going to say, you, knowing you, you're walking out with your wife to dinner. I'm like, no dinner! And you see it and you turn around. She's like, okay. That's happened. She knows.

She pulls out some TV dinners and knows that we're not making it to Outback. I can't do it. OJ just died. I got to go make a video. yeah sadly that happens yes um yeah so okay so yeah it's chilies not outback do people go to chilies yeah my kids like it oh really yeah the fajitas aren't bad um yeah you know what's funny is uh there's a my wife is from a town called uh ok chobie and like i think like the nicest

restaurant and the whole all of ok chobie is i think it's chilies yeah no it's not the nicest restaurant no i would choose a million restaurants over chilies but when the family goes out the kids pick chilies. And I like, I've gotten used to the chicken shrimp fajita combo. It's a good one. You got to have Ronnie Bow on. See, now he'll see this and he'll be like, yeah, thanks for going to back for me. I got no issue with Ronnie Boe, but I've been slammed. My Booker has been talking to Ronnie Bow. I've gotten somebody to help do my correspondence now because it eats up too much time. Not that I'm too important, but like I want to be creating and working on the stories and sometimes dealing with the talent can bog you down.

and so yeah I don't have a Ronnie Ronnie has not been on due to lack of interest I just I didn't know the whole story plus I heard he couldn't talk about

the Jay Z stuff and he can now and so now that I hear that we'll have to try to I'll have a hundred book or get back out and actually on February 5th shout out to Michelle

who's been in touch with Ronnie to hook that up on February 5th he's going for his probation revocation hearing so at that point but he basically you had him in town We should have done a combo.

We'll have to do it. We have to book up our guests now that we know that we're so close. Yeah, he's, we can help. He's actually going to be fine on the revocation. So he's fine now. Like, I mean, if you flew him in now or, but we're so close. I don't have the same remote versus thing doesn't matter to me. I've conditioned my audience.

Yeah. We use Zoom so much now that it doesn't really matter. No, I mean, it's such a better experience when you can be there, but it's hard in being in Tampa Bay to get people to come out. And we've noticed with, you know, trending topics. the in-person versus stream-yard isn't as important. Correct. That's where I'm,

we're trending is what we jump on. But if somebody's telling their own story, it almost has to be in person. Because like, if they're just a normal guy who doesn't have that celebrity clickability, and it's just going to go off their quality of their story. If you're just going strictly off to guest,

I do believe that. He's at 391 right now. Oh, wow. Yeah, so that was just posted. That's today. Yeah. I haven't checked. We're comparing stats.

No, we're, I mean, it wasn't, but first we were doing Dick sizes, now we're doing. Look at the thumbnail. I'm just curious how mine did. Colby did a great thumbnail. Oh, yeah, see, I did beat you. Look at that.

Colby did a-427. What? Oh, yeah, well, that's your, last night. I don't have your viewers, and I'm not a trendy, I wasn't trying to be, you, you started it. I, what is your, what is your sub count? 550, 5-8.

547, 547. Nothing bad about that? No. Listen. Yeah, you guys crush it. Listen, this is great. I don't have to have a real job. I get to schedule stuff.

You pay him well? Talk to, he, talk in me. He's, he's, yeah, we, we, I'm lucky. I'm just the talent. Oh, good, yeah. I don't have to do anything. Oh, smart. All I do is every once in while, he'll send me a.

Yeah, I don't have a Colby. That's my thing. Oh, no. I mean, well, actually, that's not true. My, I have, they just work remotely. I don't have somebody in studios, what I mean. He'll send me like something He'll put it up and put the thumbnail up

And I'll look it out and be like I'm too much of a control freak I need to like do it on So I'm saying every once in a while I'll be like bro you couldn't get a better fucking picture of me Like you got me like this looks horrible Like what are you doing and he's like

No I thought it was funny No it's not funny What we're going for is cool guy Cool guy's what we're going for And he's like yeah I have to remind him of that Yeah Matt's like I have an image to uphold Oh wow yeah I literally It's like the one thing I cannot do

It's care about my image I'm like I just some I just the only thing is like is my hair sticking out that's why I wear the hat because I'll have bedhead some mornings and I just I'm like I had just always covers up the hair you don't have to worry about it but then I think I'm bald you you live like if you drive down the street it dead ends and then there's a cow pasture if we walked through the cow pasture you live literally six or eight houses we literally could walk probably faster than it took me to drive yeah but what a small world yeah could shout out again to race beard lawyer. Check them out on Instagram. Good dude. I'm glad you got to come out and be here. Yeah, yeah. He was, he was, he's got a really good insight. Yeah, we definitely should. If you, I don't know how, you know, like sharing guests, booking guests. For sure. For sure. If we hook each other up, it'll be nice. Plus, it gives the talent. If they're coming down here, another thing to do. So use us as you like. And I will happily, we don't really bring people in, but if I do, I'll Yeah. I'll check it in. Last thing you wanted to end the podcast, have Colby Bolt and leave some guy sitting on my

couch for three hours that I'm sitting here waiting for his Uber to come so he'll go to the airport and I'm just sitting there thinking that happened that happened one time at 5 o'clock and that's like are you going to leave me here with this guy? And Colby's like got to go I'm sorry have fun no no empathy at all. Your studio is your house

I can relate yeah yeah hopefully this helps you know you have 800 900000 but it hopefully gives you it's not going to help him let's just say it helps you know it totally does you have a new audience of true crimeers that I need And then we'll have to have you on to support back.

Yeah, you guys could probably. With no reason we can't do some back and forth. The trending topics is something that we decided we need to focus on a little bit more. Oh, listen, I'll be honest with you. We're about to create a trending topic. I'm about to create. You know I write books. Oh, yeah.

You like Chris Todd. No. Although this is a- Now I know how to really get your button pushed. This is a Chris Todd book in the vein of Chris, following Chris Todd's lead on investigative journal. journalism, I am currently writing a book with a friend of mine who does amazing research on whether or not Garth Brooks is a serial killer.

Interesting. Yeah. Has Chris Gaines? Is that his name? Chris Gaines is in there. Oh, that's not normal. No. That's not normal.

We got a whole thing on Chris Grain. Super weird. So you've ever heard the theory that Tom Seguera, you know, that is a, so he came up with the theory. He says, I'm just repeating what I heard. Stop it, Tom. There's no, I found no evidence prior to him joking about this. He and his wife were on their podcast, your mom's house, and they were talking about how odd

Garth Brooks is. Keep in mind when, when, how old are you? Are you about my age? No, you're in your 40s, right? I love you to guess. I'm going to say 45. Wow. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Okay, so I'm a little older than you. I really kind of remember when Garth Brooks came out, right? I remember Garth Brooks. Okay. My dad was a fan. Okay. like that little shame we're gonna

so so when when he came out there wasn't social media no so any interviews you saw of him lasted 20 or 30 seconds where he was just we're gonna be at the at the civic center this Saturday and that's it he did the shucks golly g whiz thing and that was it

well then a few years ago he actually obviously late to the game he started doing social media and he started doing Facebook, Tom, so about, this is about six or seven years ago. So five years ago, four or five years ago, Tom Seguer and his wife start watching some of the videos talking about like how socially awkward this guy is. You watch the videos, I'm telling you, very awkward. He's an odd guy.

Yeah. Great music. I grew up on his music. I love country music. I'm from Florida. I love Garth Brooks. But he's socially awkward. So Tom Segura ends up saying, she's like, what do you think is wrong with him?

He goes, I'll tell you what he's wrong with him. he's he's worried about all the bodies he's got buried underneath his house that's what he's got so he says something along those lines you think he's a killer and he's absolutely he's killed at least two or 300 people and and they're like good cover though doing the whole tour thing and that so it becomes this huge running joke it's a joke and then tom seguro's fan base starts going after garth brooks's comment section saying where are the bodies garth oh it's bad people have gone to his concert well now there's these allegations well it's and obviously it's satire but they will go to his concert and hold up a sign that's like we love Garth and when the

Jumbotron hits him they drop the sign there's another one that says where the body and then they do stuff like guys are like bro I want my grandmother back you know just tell me where she is Garth we need the body bear the body does he embrace and laugh about it oh no he hates it he doesn't think it's funny at all oh that's a big red flag and so when people come to him come to Garth and they say hey did you hear about this thing with Tom Segura what do you think about that he pulls out a a video of Tom Zagura that's Tom Sagarra that's online where Tom Sagar is playing basketball and he goes to do it like a layup and he slips and falls and breaks his arm.

He'll hold it up and he'll go, karma. And so then the guy, the guy that that happened with that conversation tells Tom Zaguer and he goes, do you imagine the irony of a serial killer saying karma to me breaking my arm? He's a sick person. So now he's leveled and even harder. And this has been going on for years, years. Blake lively needs to take notes. Exactly.

This is not how you take. This is not how you do it. And you understand that like, Segura goes on Rogan. They have a conversation about it. Like this is everyone. Now it's gotten huge, right. And so what ends up forming from this is that fans start saying you do understand

that there's a list out there that's going around that has all of Garth Brooks's tour dates that line up with missing persons and unsolved murders. And they're like, and it lines up in almost every single venue he's had. this is what's happening. So what I end up doing a video with a girl by the name of Stacey Lee. Stacey Lee did a video about this top, about the Tom Sagarra and the Garth Brooks thing. And she said, tells me, she's like, you know, I actually tried to find the list.

There is no list. And I've looked. There's no list. And so is Pete. She said, there's no list. She said, and I actually started to do the list, spent a few hours doing it. She said, honestly, it's a mammoth taxes. This guy has, has done over a thousand.

Yeah, I would say. Worldwide. So she's like, and then I watched another video. After that, I watched another video, another person said, yeah, they started the process and they were like, yeah, it's just too much, too much. I don't have this kind of time. It's not that funny to me. But they're not as sick as I am.

And they're not, these people are not, don't have. So you're making the list. The list is done. He's a fucking monster, bro. You know how I feel writing this? I feel like I'm doing God's work. I'm saving lives. Chris, you pay attention?

That's a good hook for a book. I am saving lives. lives. You know, you've got, you and I have our little shows, our little YouTube shows. You're going to write the book and then you're going to get on the podcast promoting the book. Listen, there's at least, right, I'm saying right now. There's it, there's a 120 some odd missing people along the route. So your goal is to get Tom here in studio, of course. No, I want to go on top. Him coming here doesn't help me. Me going there. Listen, we're going to read the book. The books would be done about three months. Brilliant marketing. It's, it, not just that. I've uncovered a serial killer. It is phenomenal. I can't believe that Seguera stumbled. Did you. tie it into the allegations at all? Because there was a lot of weird reactions to his allegations against the rapist. Oh, absolutely. Listen, we got other lawsuits

too. We got stuff in this book people don't even know about. Seguer's fans haven't even found it. It is over the top. It's a done deal. The FBI should have a task force right now. Wow. It's over. It's done. It's done. Sick. He's a monster. Brilliant. Brilliant.

You've sold me. I'm in. I will buy it when it's ready. Come promote it when you have it. It's, yeah, yeah. I already have the jacket cover. Oh,

this is just showing me or you've shown everybody? No, I don't think I've shown anybody. Well, then just show me, I'll react without them seeing it. I don't, you don't even have to pretend to react.

You're going to be like, I already, because I can tell you've got dark, you've got some darkness in you. Oh, oh, oh, that is good.

Just the name is great. at the, oh, I love that. Do you know what that's from? A D or Csie American Psycho? Yeah. That's the poster for American Psycho. Yeah. Wow.

That is good. That poster, that poster is badass. He's not, he's not, he's not lying. That is, that is hype. I'm telling you. That's, I have a good sense when things take off that you got a good, that's a good one. Chris Todd is going to be so jealous of your book sales and now. Matt was talking to me for about every time I come over here, you know, I get here about

30 minutes before the podcast starts and every time I'm so excited he's heard some of the same stories two or three times already and you're pumped too he just he just Colby just hoping we get you know he goes on the Tom Seguera the podcast does better yeah yeah yeah yeah he doesn't care about my feelings or about saving lives he wants more numbers he just wants he wants to hit a million and he's incentivized that's how you got to keep them in gross exactly yeah um yeah what I think the the whole and my whole marketing campaign is like go on your show, get on, get on some other shows that push it and then have TikTok take it and run with it.

Yeah, I mean, you got to get on Segura. Or yeah, you want Seguer to mention it on Rogan is really what you want. Oh, yeah, well. Which is very possible. Dude, they wrote a book about the, like they're going to do it. You understand that there's, there's tons of videos out there right now and all they've got can you get a forward from him? Can you get a forward from him?

I already took his, his, what he says. No, but you should reach out to him. send him a copy, get him on board for the release. Well, here's the thing. I know about three comedians that know someone that is friends with Segura. Yeah. So I don't think it's difficult. He'll be like, are you nuts?

This is hilarious. What I'm saying is right now, there's already a ton of people that are doing videos and things on them, and they have nothing but a couple of jokes. I've got an entire book. I've researched all of that. If you've actually done research, regardless, you have enough there that I think Seguer is going to be excited to like, oh my God, look what this is now. created, I would reach out to him

directly and try to get a forward. So forward by Tom Sigora makes it way more of a big deal. And then you get in touch with him and you release the marketing plan with him so he can Oh, he'd get so much content out of this. He'll come to Tampa Bay. Doesn't he do the clubs here in Tampa? I'm sure. I'm sure. You could come, like

have him come here. His fans, you do want him here because the fans will come watch that show and then you pop up on his. I can't imagine that Sigura would walk in here and do a show with me, but that's fine. You know, but it's funny because you know it's funny is that people come here and they're like bro i can't believe you're i'm here i can't believe you get that that like oh my god like they're like i'm such a huge fan and i'm sitting there just thinking to myself like i'm i've got a studio in my living room i just got

out of prison listen when i six months before i'm getting out of prison i'm laying in bed thinking you're going to work at macdonald you're going to live in someone's spare room you're going to be appreciative you're going to be humble and and you're going to live that's how you're going to do your rest of your fucking life but here's my what you're going to promise me don't let the success get to your head and make you do shitty things again, yes? Oh, yeah. Trust me. I have a wife that's constantly grounding me.

Some people will come up to me like, bro, you're amazing. Yeah, if you use your superpowers for good. Yeah, well. People will say, like, you're amazing. And my wife will be like, he doesn't know you. Do you understand? Do you understand what I was like, yeah, I understand. Just another scumbag.

Okay, I know. I know. You've mentioned it. Yeah, I know, but you've been crushing it. Congrats. And I think Tom's Gora could come into your house and do this. that book is funny and if the books like you say it is I can't imagine he's not going to chuckle and say let's make this happen I had 22,000 words already my buddy's already written another like five or six we're going to have a 45 we're going to have about it's going to be about 200 pages but I've got the entire list and not just the list of the tour dates I have every place he's moved the unsolved mystery and I and I didn't just put like unsolved homicides and save it save person no yeah we've excluded like if there was a witness

and they said, oh, it was a black guy, we excluded it. Oh, it's the police believe it's... Unsolved murders connected to all his tour dates. You've done the work. We've already done all the work. And listen, it was months. It's a lot. Even getting all of the tour dates right is a lot of work.

Right. Not to mention we have the grant, when he was at the Grammys, those poor guys. This is going to become a documentary. He's got, he told me about one this morning. That was pretty good. I think he saved it for the book. Dude. Get in with Sigora now. I mean, listen, it's practically a description of, of Garth Brooks where this chick disappeared.

It is, I'm telling my wife and my wife. Be careful. Garth is going to watch this clip and go, he knows. Oh, yeah. He's found the evidence. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, not, not that I'm not concerned. Yeah.

So if you, I don't want to be like a Chris Todd, but if you die tomorrow, main suspect is Garth Brooks. Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm not wishing that. Golly G.

You know, Shucks. You know, shucks. fat cowboy things stumble in here and predict celebrity deaths here on this channel so I don't want to follow the trend. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully I'm protecting you now because now Garth knows if he comes and murdered you now, it's way too close.

Well, when Segura first started that, there was a huge drop in missing persons cases when he first mentioned it because Garth got scared. I love that. That's true. It's true. There's a video on him. He stopped murdering people because he's like, damn it. You have to look into this. When it was the next

one? How long until he waited? It took a few months before it started ticking back up, you know, and listen, listen to this. I'm going to tell you one more thing. We'll get off the subject because I'm so excited about it. But listen, I'm going to tell you one thing. When he first starts off doing his tours, he does, he does like the state fairs, right? There's a few missing, one or two missing persons and a few unsolved murders during that two or three year period time. And so, but then it's the the amount drastically go up.

So here's why. When Garth gets his first check after he does an album called Rope in the Wind, when he gets his first check for about half a million dollars, does he buy a luxury, a $200,000 Ferrari or a souped up truck? Does he get a luxury penthouse in downtown Nashville? No. He spends nearly half a million dollars. Everything he made, $432,500 to buy 132,500 to buy 13 acres of,

of unimproved land. And guess what happens immediately after when he goes on tour? Missing persons. Missing persons. So you think they're buried in his lands? Of course.

That seems a little risky. Of course. He's running an unlicensed cemetery. That's the first place you'd look. All the evidence would be right there. If you suspected him, you're not going to suspect Garth Brooks. Now, I'm not saying there's not a bunch of unsolved homicides too.

Of course there are. But now he's got an opportunity where I can take the bodies and possess them. Wow. And then I can destroy them. And now he's going to have to move the bodies now that you've spotlighted this. I mean, I wouldn't feel comfortable about them. You should have somebody constantly on the eyes on the ground on that field.

We're going to get somebody. We're going to get somebody. Damn. You are on this case. Woo. Yeah. It's not. Yeah.

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