Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Will Trump Be President After Conviction | Lawyer Explains

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

Will Trump Be President After Conviction | Lawyer Explains

This is so insane. Like, he lost the liability part of a civil case against him where $250 million, a quarter of a billion dollars is on the line. And no one cares because it's just civil. And he has four criminal cases hanging out there. What do you think happens at the Supreme Court if they basically get the opportunity to remove Trump forever from the national political discourse? I keep thinking at some point, cooler heads will prevail and they will say, listen, we thought we would do this. It would embarrass him. He would drop out.

We would drop the charge. Like, what are you doing when you're saying, hey, all of these politicians do these types of things? We never bother them. But now we're going to go after this one person. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be on with Josh. We're going to be talking about Trump and his legal troubles. Also, Josh has his own YouTube channel.

It is called America's Attorney. And he's got some great stuff on. there so check that out and please subscribe to my channel and leave me a comment in the comment section i appreciate it check out the interview i have not streamed with you in months and since the last time we streamed your channel is just on a tear dude it's awesome yeah it we had a big jump we had a big jump uh i and i've had about two or three videos that did really well and it jumped and then and then after that happened they all kind of every every video not every video but periodically I'm getting better and better views across the board.

I love it. It's growing faster. I think your content is great and I think your viewers who are not subscribed to you have some learning to do. They have room for improvement. That's what I'm going to say. Yeah, I'm with you. I hear you. Not only that, but dude, I found out that you have a store and you sell inside true crime tank tops.

And honestly, I feel like I should get one. We do have, I think we do have tank tops. Yeah, you do. And I just started screening my own inside true crime, uh, t-shirts. I like that. I haven't even put them on the store yet. I'm thinking about switching everything over to Etsy. Okay.

But anyway. Yeah. Anyway. So let's do something that will probably get me demonetized. Let's talk about Trump. Ha ha ha ha. So every, every time I talk about politics, the, the video gets like limited. monetization. Oh, wow. So I don't cover politics too much on my channel, which is kind of weird

because a lot of politicians get in trouble with the law. But my viewers don't like it too much, but it's so fascinating. And it's an opportunity for people to learn how the system works. And there's this thing that people keep saying, which is that there's one system of justice for everybody. And we're trying to test that out in 2023, 2024 and see if that's true. So we'll see. how it turns out. So what do you, what do we, what do you want to talk about? The one that's really pressing right now is the one in D.C. because Trump's camp filed a motion to ask the judge to recuse from that case. And a recusal is where is self-imposed

by the judge where the judge would say, I either have a conflict of interest or a reasonable person would, knowing all the facts, would look and say that. they would question whether I have a conflict of interest, whether I can be truly unprejudiced. So Trump's party filed a motion saying that this judge, Tanya Chetkin, if I'm saying that I'm saying that right, I think I am, couldn't be impartial. And she said, not so fast. And she denied their motion, I think yesterday. And it's really interesting. I got into her order a little bit because honestly, she seemed a little bit worked up. Trump's, according to the judge, Trump's team accused her of having said some things,

which she says that she has, in fact, not said and that it was their allegations that she had said certain anti-Trump things, which was the basis for their motion. And because she says that she hadn't said him, she denied the motion. So he's stuck with her. and he's publicly said he can't get a fair trial in front of her. That's not a good start. No, it's not a good start.

But he's diversified. He's in front of a bunch of judges. And so even if it goes poorly with her, maybe it goes well with some other judges. I love the comment he said, if he gets indicted one more time, it'll push him over the top. What does that mean?

Every time he gets indicted, his poll numbers spike. like he's like one more indictment and it pushes me over the top oh my goodness i mean the people who think that he's the answer are undeterred by his problems his legal problems and really it kind of feeds into the narrative that he's like this bad boy outsider and that you know you ride or die with trump right there it his whole you know mantra of they're out to get me and I'm standing in the way of them getting you and then they start indicting him for the same types of things that all the politicians do you know then that's that's a mistake yeah

it's not going to hurt him yeah it's politically it's not harmful to him I think I think well at least in his own party and you I don't know if you follow like the the the Republican debates but I mean those things are just snooze fest they everyone there is obsessed with with him the candidates want to talk about him the the people asking questions want to talk about him and he doesn't even show up he doesn't he doesn't no he's just like at home tweeting or xing or truth socialing what's funny is that you know i i've like i've talked to guys who're like well he should show up why there's no benefit to him showing up he can only damage himself you know i i used to have guys uh that were mortgage brokers for me.

And I used to always say, like, this guy will, you know, I had this one guy. I was like, he'll talk himself out of a deal. So it was like once you've won, like once the borrower says, yeah, I'll sign or I'm good with that, stop talking. And I've been, I've been in, not in closings, but where we're disclosing, you know, you have to disclose, well, in Florida, you have to disclose the truth and lending and good faith and all of these documents and have them sign so you can continue on to try and get your borrower alone. Yeah. Well, we would sit there and we would, you know, maybe I'd go in

and help somebody disclose what, you know, they'd say, ah, this guy's a problem or whatever. Okay, can you come help me? Sure, no problem. And I'd go and sit down. Then we'd be, we'd disclose like, hey, this is anti-coortion. This is this. We'd go over the different disclosures. And the bar would say, um, yeah, I'm good with that. And he'd start signing. And suddenly the guy I'm with would say, yeah, yeah, yeah. And don't even worry about the prepayment penalty. Because like that, that, that didn't even matter because it'll disappear in about three three years anyway or the it'll disappear before the adjustment period and then also they're already signing right also they stop and they're like yeah what what's the adjustment period what do you mean there's a certain type of person who can't

handle silence in fact i was just watching some police body cam footage yesterday where the police officer said something to someone that he knew was lying to see how she would fill the air when he didn't respond to her first inaccurate response right and she just kept sort of dripping out new pieces that were not coherent now there was alcohol involved but some people are that way they just can't let silence exist right yeah yeah and that so you know back to back to trump there's no benefit like to him if you're already winning If you're already way ahead of the polls, what's the benefit to him going to these, to these debate? Like, he's only going to, there's only more of a chance he'll, people will say bad things about him, bring his poll numbers down.

Or he'll put his, I know you're going to say, Matt, that's not possible. But he may end up putting his foot in his own mouth. Like, like, I know you're thinking, no, stop it. But yeah, that's possible. And the nice thing about being in politics this long is Trump is, I think. has evolved to a point where he's starting to realize, I need to think before I talk. I need to start making strategic decisions instead of these emotional decisions. So I think he's starting to play things, even though, you know, these indictments and things that

are catching up to him at this point are things that he, you know, happened years and years ago. He's, he's very cunning in the way that he talks because his followers. hear a certain thing, and his haters hear it a very different way. That's like everybody, isn't it? It is remarkable that he really is like a mirror. It's almost like he's not there, and you see in the reflection when you look at him the thing that you want to see. And if he's your guy, you see this great guy who's standing up for you.

You know, they're not, they're not coming for the billionaire to put him in prison. They're coming for you who makes $40,000 a year, right? Or if you hate him, you see him and you see all of the worst parts of our society, all in one person. It's fascinating. He's a lightning rod. So what are you, so back to his indictment or one of the indictments. You can't say it in the singular, but. go on right back to the most recent event in his indictments what by the way where what are the

indictments where are these what are they he he got accused of a civil offense in new york and that recently went very poorly for him it's set for trial next monday the parties had filed competing motions for summary judgment in which the attorney general said look it's so obvious that you inflated your values when talking to lenders and insurance companies and deflated them when talking to taxing authorities that you shouldn't be allowed to go to trial. And he filed some papers that basically said the opposite of that, yeah, we don't need a trial on this, but the reason is that it's so obvious that no one was harmed by this. And it actually came down to the wire and the judge issued an order earlier this week siding with the attorney general

of new york again this is not criminal though they revoked the estate business license which i don't i mean i don't think that's that big of a deal but then they are going to have a trial where the attorney general asks for money like actual cash and if there's not cash on hand and he he gets or she she sorry, Letitia James, if she gets what she wants, he may have to sell one of his buildings to get some cash to pay the fines. Of course, this is years down the road because he's just going to keep appealing.

I was going to say he'll appeal it and appeal it and it'll be eight years down the road and they'll negotiate it down to, from $10 million down to, you know, $500,000 or something. It's fascinating because this is so insane. Like, he lost the liability part of a civil case against him by the attorney general where two where 250 million dollars a quarter

a billion dollars is on the line and no one cares because it's just civil and he has four criminal cases hanging out there of like kind of varying degrees of intensity and no one really knows the timeline and no one of these cases can grab like singularly grab the headlines but this the news cycle is just trump trump trump all the time it's fascinating so what's the what are the other indictments what are the criminal ones so in georgia he's got this phone call where he says i want you to find me uh you know 11 000 something votes you know so i can win and then there's actually some other elements to that but it's basically a riko a racketeer influence corrupt organizations charge which is fascinating the georgia state riko statute is intense it's not a net you want to get

get caught up in. I don't see how they can actually put that case on in court, in under, I'm going to say not in under 40 days of trial. Now, it could be 80 days of trial. So you're talking about weeks and weeks and weeks. And this is a criminal case. The defendant has to be there. And they're saying they want to do this during the campaign season. So like, I feel like a year from now we'll all look back and say like oh yeah it was real obvious that we were going to end up wherever we are but like you know in terms of the presidential campaign but right now it seems like such a fog because there's all these moving parts right all right on top of Georgia he has the documents case in florida that case is easy to try they have already

flipped a couple of key witnesses and to the extent that you can be dead for mishandling documents he's dead now i don't think it's a very sexy charge i don't think it's that big a deal i guarantee you the people who are excited about him politically don't give a rip right and it is an open question about whether being convicted under that statute would prevent him from being president but the answer appears to be no it would not he literally could govern from prison yeah you can be a felon and be be the president of United States. Yeah.

So I have this theory that at a national level, our politicians are, we deserve them. So like if we have an old guy who seems incompetent, doesn't really know where he is at time, and seems like he's being manipulated by the people around him, and isn't really like having a direction. And his main- Anybody can be president.

Yeah, yeah. And his main political rival, is a guy who like clearly seems to be doing everything a little bit shady and dirty and it's also like an egomaniac those two people that's who our country wants yeah that's the best we have to offer that's the best like you take all the political talent out there and this is the best we've got we deserve it we deserve it like as a country like we basically got like a dating app we looked at everybody on there. And these are the two people we chose to go out with. So then he's got, so he's got this like kind of weird criminal case in New York.

What is this one about? It's in federal court and it is, well, I may have to come back to that one because I can't even remember. It gets no publicity. And then he has the January 6th thing in D.C. Now that one is, is interesting because he didn't really say to do the things that they did, that they ended up doing. But he didn't not say to not do them either. And so it's like, oh, it doesn't seem like a great criminal case to me. I don't know. We'll see. I don't know. So what happens if he goes to trial and wins every single one of these? Wow. He's acquitted. Yeah. So, yeah, the question is does that bring people into his camp who are kind of on the fence right i don't think so i don't think it changes to anything yeah yeah um i could see him shedding

some fringe people if he's convicted or if he's in prison or which what i think is more likely is if he has some sort of house arrest deal um like if they get to trial in florida on that case and it's simple and he broke the law and he gets convicted it's a documents case like they give him house arrest it doesn't really change that much i don't think that moves the needle politically right so so okay so you're saying what if he's if he's found guilty on on all counts and still wins the presidency so i don't know i don't know how far the down the rabbit hole you go. That's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping for across the board convictions and he becomes president. That to me, the comedic effect of that is so worth it. That would be like

Nate Light night comedian fodder for eternity, basically. Be amazing. Are you aware that some political operatives in Colorado and maybe another state also, I can't remember, have filed a lawsuit to declare that Trump participated in an insurrection and that under the 14th Amendment, he is barred from holding an elected office in the United States. Have you seen this? No. No, it's fascinating. So you probably already know the 14th Amendment is the one that guarantees due process. It's called a Civil War Amendment. It's what helped us fix a lot of the institutional racism in this country to the extent that we've been able to overcome it.

It has a clause that says if you were an insurrectionist or if you aided and abetted insurrectionist, then you can't hold a federal public office. And it was just for the Civil War. But there are people who have filed a lawsuit to keep Trump off the ballot in Colorado. And I know it's going to happen in other states as well to say, oh, he was a part of this insurrection so he can't run. That one is fascinating because here's why. No matter what the outcome is, it goes up to the Supreme Court. And literally, the U.S. Supreme Court is going to say whether Donald Trump can be or can't be

on the presidential ballot. that that part is happening and it has nothing to do with whether or not he's ever convicted of anything and it um not to you know trot out a name but it trumps all of those criminal charges actually you like that that's good right yeah yeah so um i i don't but he hasn't been convicted like that doesn't make sense that you're saying yeah so the the 14th amendment doesn't require you to be convicted it just requires a judge to say that you participated in an insurrection now when they wrote the 14th amendment they were talking about this one insurrection right on april 12th of 1861 and ended on april 9th of 1865

and that's it but i mean it says what it says and these people are ready to go to war over it i don't know what happens what do you think happens at the supreme court if they basically get the opportunity to remove Trump forever from the national political discourse. I honestly think that it really has turned into such a banana republic at this point. You know what I mean? Like I would think at, I keep thinking at some point, cooler heads will prevail and they will say, listen, we, you know, look, we thought we would do this. It would embarrass him. He would drop out.

We would drop the charge. Like, you know, these are kind of, you know, veiled threats. And we were hoping he would, he would just say, you know what, I'm done. I can't do it anymore. And he's not. And you know what? Like, let's just go through with the typical protocols and just move forward. It really bothers me.

And there's the thing. It would bother me if it was, if they were Democrat, if this was the Republicans doing this to a Democrat, it would bother me. It has nothing to do with him being a conservative or not. It's that, you know, what are you doing? when you're saying, hey, all of these politicians do these types of things. We never bother them. But now we're going to go after this one person. It really does.

It's really upsetting because, you know, I like to believe that despite the fact that there's corruption everywhere. Yeah. You know that I know. Whoa. Yeah. I still like to think that we have, you know, one of the least corrupt governments out there. Because nobody's not corrupt. Anytime you have humans taking.

part in a system, no matter how the system is built, there's going to be corruption. I still like to say, you know, in the end, the system pretty much works. This is not the system working. No, but our political parties have failed us. I mean, like, it's just, like not to beat a dead horse, but these candidates, they're clowns. They're both clowns. I don't understand how the political machines on both sides cannot produce better candidates. I mean, I feel like you could just take a normal 40-year-old and say, we want you to be president,

and they'd be less problematic than these two guys. Yeah. Well, you know, look, let's, I give you an example of just across the board all of these candidates. And I don't just mean, we're not just talking. and Biden and Trump, I'm saying in DeSantis, like all of them have these major, you know, Chris Christie. Like they're all, they all have such issues. So let's take DeSantis. Your governor, you absolutely are just, you're, you're, you're, look, Republican or not, you know, whatever, you know, I think he's a great governor for Florida. Okay. But your governor, you just have, you just have, you just

run again. You overwhelmingly win the vote again in Florida. He whipped it, right? Huh? He whipped that that challenger. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Okay. So, and Florida residents, for the most part, love you. Now, you go and decide, hey, I'm going to run for president. And initially, it wasn't for sure, you know, is Trump's going to run? Is he so that he decides he's going to run? Trump runs. people try and give him an out and say, listen, would you consider being vice president? He says, I'm not really a second chair guy. I don't think I could take the second. You know, okay, you're you're overwhelmingly cocky.

It's so cocky. It's now obnoxiously. I like cocky, but you're obnoxiously cocky. Yeah. And the other thing is you're young. You're young. He's half the age of a normal presidential candidate these days. Wait.

Just wait. can be governor of your governor you've been governor of florida you're still governor of florida you can be governor of florida you can i i think he can he can run again like you can you can you've got a great run in you you've got nothing but proving ground ahead of you to say look i took florida here's the things i did here's the things that work you can run any time in the future time's not running it you're not 70 you're not 75 you're a young man wait he is he huh i think he's in late 40s is he yeah i think he's in late 40s. Yeah. Hey, Siri, how old is Ron DeSantis? 45 years old? I wish I was 45. He could wait. He could kick back like this whole thing play out,

step in with a great track record. I mean, and instead he says, no, I'm going to run against Trump. Anybody that runs against Trump is foolish because Trump is a child. He will gut you. He will say vicious things he will alter he will manipulate what's really happening he'll give you the name listen i can't look at jeb bush without looking low energy jeb bush i know i can't he'll tag you with some name yep and and it's all very schoolyard bullyish and he doesn't need it here here's the here's the argument for 2028 for desantis he doesn't have to take on trump then i mean presumably trump's not going to run again. But let's say he doesn't have to take on Trump then. If Biden wins a second term, everyone's going to be so worn out of eight years of Democrats that it's going

to be a simple handoff to a Republican, right? Because when an incumbent wins the election, you know, for the second time, the national government almost always switches hands to the other party after that. And so like, just be there. You're 49, 50 years old. Be there to take it when it comes instead of just getting dragged through the mud yeah and he's just doesn't have a chance at this point he just doesn't have a chance they're just they're gutting each other left and right you know your numbers aren't there it's just back out like gracefully say look my bad but he's very sophisticated desantis is very sophisticated he's very cunning and isn't it the case that the play that he's making is for if there is a hiccup on Trump's side.

Like if he gets convicted or like if he has to suspend his campaigning because he literally has to spend between 18 and 24 weeks out of the next 70 weeks sitting in various courtrooms all day long. Now granted, as soon as court's over, he steps outside. He has a press conference. He does all the Trump things. and maybe he's not really suspending his campaign. But like, if you want to be the guy that's there to pick it up, if Trump drops it,

then maybe that's the play. But man, he's just beating everybody up in the meantime. Right. Yes, what I'm saying is that like none of these guys are really, none of them have a good plan. And none of them are thinking long term. Like, just let let, let, well, and you're right, maybe DeSantis is saying I'll hang out and see if, see if he implodes and if he does

I'll be there to pick up the you know pick up the gauntlet or whatever you want to call the what is it what is it when you run you hand the thing the baton I'll pick up the baton

when he draw if he drops it yeah you're right maybe that's the play but I don't know I don't see the guy going anywhere yeah I mean regardless I think he'd have to completely drop out and then say

and then endorse someone yeah now there's this kind of low key simmering potential indictment in the background that hasn't happened yet, but it could, it might be like a Democrat fever dream, but there's a rumor that the dude who did the indictment in Florida and D.C., his name is Jack Smith, is currently investigating the political donation money. So campaign finance stuff, and those charges would be crazy because if they make a certain threshold preliminary

showing, they get to freeze the money. And what is this happening? Has he been indicted on this? No, no, no, no. Supposedly, it's kind of lingering in the background. There's like an investigation happening. They're holding it back. What do you say?

are they holding back on it like this one we can get them we can shut everything down with this one let's wait and see what happens with these but if he gets close we file this one i i just don't understand how like it took them so long to indict trump if i was accused of the stuff that they're accusing him of dude i would have been indicted like a year and a half ago it's so it's wild it's just crazy when you're a big time politician it's nuts Yeah, but they can't, like, I don't even want to, I don't even know. Think if I say the word Hunter Biden or kickbacks or, you know, the kickbacks or the, you know, the, you know, quit pro quo that was being played with the, with these oligarchies. Yeah.

I, I, I, matter of fact, talk about that. No, you're not, you're not, you're not a lot. Like, people don't realize that YouTube just says. something to everybody saying if you mention this long bendy twizzlers candy keeps the fun going this this how can't. How can't. Hold on. This, how can I say it? Hold on. Special operation going on between the evil empire and, you know, these other people that used to be a part of the evil empire. If you even mention that in any, like, did you list see though? Did you get that email that said all the things you can't talk about? Man, we probably did, but I didn't notice it.

It literally says like if you are for your pro or against or yeah, it says all these things about this whole thing. If you even mention it, you'll become demonetized. No, my producer is telling me that I didn't. We didn't, neither one of us saw that email. And she's also telling me that there's no way that I'm going to take my shirt off on your channel and show you a shirt that I got made for my channel. Because she won't put it, she won't let me go shirtless on my channel. Can I do it on your channel? What's the shirt? What's the shirt say? Yeah, all right, here we go. You ready? All right. Check this out. I got this made. This won't end up on my channel. My editor will cut it out. I'm not selling merch on my channel. but check this out dude got got this right here that's pretty fun right you like why why won't she put that on your channel oh she'll let me wear the t-shirt but she's not going to let me she'll cut this out of my video she's not going to let me change clothes on camera why it's a family channel man pretty sure males are allowed to be shirtless even in public i got an email from youtube that says that they're not really no i'm totally joking i was going to say i've never heard that i'm totally

joking man yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna check the email thing and i'll send you the email that says you're not allowed to mention that whole issue in europe right now or in uh eastern europe yeah yeah you shouldn't have that's that's right so if anyone watches this video and sees me and they come over to my channel. Make sure that you get in the comments and you say, Josh, we saw you shirtless. We saw the skin. All right. So I'll know that you were actually coming from Matt's channel. Where are you at now? I'm at America's attorney on YouTube and the other platforms, too, but YouTube is my passion. Right. I love it, man. Yeah, I actually said to somebody else, I said, you know, listen, if I was making $100,000 a month, you know, on retirement or something,

I said, I'd still do videos. Yeah, it's fantastic, super fun. So how do you think the whole thing plays out? There's going to be a conviction in Florida before the election. There really is. And I don't know what that's going to mean, but he will get convicted on the documents. The other ones, I really could see them getting stretched out until after the election. hard to say hard to you mean uh like the trial will be stretched out or you think yeah or you

why not just delay the trial well i mean you don't think the judge will do it the the look trump is using like thuggish criminal behavior in politics and now the political system is using criminal prosecution against him as politics i mean they're just in a firefight both sides kind of doing same thing and they're not they don't want to let go they don't they like want to keep firing at him it's wild man it's crazy okay so what happens if he's found guilty um what is the punishment how you're saying house arrest yeah i think he gets house arrest i think that he wins the republican nomination and i think he loses in a general election because i don't think his brand extends far enough across the aisle.

And also, pro tip, don't think he'll be running against Biden a year from now. I think next April, Biden says, I'm too old. I can't do it. I hereby bequeathed the crown to so-and-so. They'll find someone that's younger, not offensive. It's not Kamala Harris. And that person will be more of a centrist and will easily win. What's his name, Navin?

I can't even say his name. The California's governor. Oh, Gavin Newsom. He's an idiot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Certainly his policies are horrible, but they're actually talking about like the thought

that maybe somehow or another you get Kamala Harris to stand down, step down, or not decide she's not going to run. You have him run, which he's a nightmare. Yeah. I mean, if you run the same. state and your policies are not working there i don't think we want you in the u.s i don't know to you know as president what about is it um what is kennedy what the the kennedy is not uh it's it's you know the democratic these oh there's a there's a crazy republican kennedy from louisiana

he has a great voice he sounds like he's not republican is he i thought he was democrat no no there there is one he sounds like he's got like a gumbo in his man i know you're talking about yeah that's what i'm that's who I'm talking about. I thought he was. I don't think he's a Republican. Tell me what you think's going to happen. Like you've been through the prisons, the legal system.

You think it's going to touch Trump? Honestly, I, you know, I wish I could even, like listen, I don't even have an, I have so little knowledge on the entire subject

other than what I get from bits and pieces here and there. Like I have no idea of what's going to happen. I can't even venture a guess. I mean, it would just completely be kind of caveman, logic of, you know, I can't imagine he's found guilty, but then again, everything about this whole situation is so insane. So I can't, listen, I would love, like I said, either way, it's great to kick back and just kind of watch. Yes, it's entertainment. It's wild.

So. And there's so many different possibilities. It's hard to know what will happen. But I'm telling you, I think a non-Biden Democrat wins the presidential election. against a house arrested Trump in 14 months. Write it down. Let's see if I'm right. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the interview. Do me a favor if you like the interview. Subscribe to the channel, hit the bell,

leave me a comment. Check the description box for America's attorney, Josh. And we're leaving his link for his YouTube channel. So check it out and I appreciate it. See ya. All right, so what are we talking about here? We're supposed to be the indictment of Trump? Yes.

What do you think? I already know what I think. So I think I think I agree with some of the criticism that this is like with the weakest case. I don't think he should have been indicted for this. I think this should have been another one of his civil cases that just lingers out there. I think they probably pushed the envelope on it. I think they pushed it so far. They won't even tell you what the connecting.

crime is like they're like oh we don't have to let you know like there's oh you understand there's he's there's a part of the indictment that they're not telling you right about i thought it was falsifying documents right which is a misdemeanor but they're saying if you use that you if you commit a misdemeanor in the furtherance of a felony then it becomes a felony but they won't tell you really what that was wasn't it for taxes though But that would have been, that would have, well, state, it might be state taxes. Listen, I, regardless of what it is, like, he shouldn't have been indicted. Like, this is so, to me, it's so politically motivated.

And this guy ran on, I'm going to get Trump. Like, what are you thinking? Like, to me, that whole case gets thrown out. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's assume he's guilty of something. Statutional limitation. is up on all of it. Let's assume you can tie it into a greater crime and maybe extend the statute of limitations. Okay. It still should me, it gets thrown out. It's completely politically

motivated. It, you know what it reminds me of? It makes me think of, of the O.J. Simpson trial. Did O.J. Simpson butcher his ex-wife and boyfriend? Yes, I believe he did. But when you start lying on the stand just to get somebody or lying. Then you got to throw it out. Like I'm sorry. Mark Furman. Like, you know, he's lying about using the N-word. He's lying about not going there with the blood on him. And it's like, what do you do? Like, you've now destroyed. this case. And even though I think, did OJ do it? Yeah, absolutely. Should he be in jail for it? Yes. Well, I think if he did it, he did it more than one person. I think that's what the problem was. I don't think it was him by itself. Well, I mean, it doesn't matter. I'm saying, I think he's guilty. Right. But you still have the rule of law and you're, you're tainting it by your lies. You're getting understanding. You're lying about things. So it's over. It's over. Does a guilty man go free? Yeah, he goes free. Well, I think that's what happens kind of with, with, with, with, with Trump on this.

So, um, did he, you know what, you know what it more, you know what it more reminds me of? Like Bill Cosby. Okay. This is, we're, we're never getting monetized. Go ahead. Well, you know, Bill Cosby's conviction got overturned. Right. Right.

Because the appellate court basically says, you know, you have that like the appellate court. Yeah. What I appellate? He said a pallet. It's not a pallet. We didn't bring in a load of cement blocks. The appellate. The appellate court basically said that you have to honor your agreement.

Well, the prosecutor in that case ran on I'll charge Bill Cosby. Right. He won and he charged Bill Cosby. And he actually convicted Bill Cosby. And he goes to jail and he gets thrown out. Yeah, he gets thrown out, which I think is, I think it ended up being worse. I think that's worse to those women. Yeah, because now you're dragging.

everybody threw it yeah for nothing right well i mean in the end he did do some time but you know well i know i know i'm saying you know it's but it's it's you know it's a it's a it's a it's a a was it a paper paper lion you know it's all bullshit it's all yeah so but with the you know with the the trump thing here's the thing you go to trial all i got to do is get some married men on that trial some married men yeah some married men what's what we're talking about Who are we talking about my bill? No, if Trump goes to, takes it and goes to trial, assuming it doesn't just get thrown out altogether, let's say he actually goes to trial, all you've got to do is get some married men on that, in that jury. And they're going to be like, would you lie about paying somebody off to keep their mouths shut and mislabel it to hide it from your wife?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that. dude he he's in i do that he's in liberal central i know it's a tough it's tough but here's a problem even the liberals you've got them on cnn saying it's a stretch like like it's way and some of them are just saying look it's getting thrown out there's just no way it doesn't get thrown out and these are like super liberal people saying come on man yeah well i i i agree but i mean or stranger stranger things have happened yeah that's that's definitely true so i don't i don't know if he actually would go I don't think he's not to take a plea no he probably wouldn't it'll take forever it'll take I think I don't think it's going to win anyway I don't think that he just got more

people to vote for him like I don't it didn't damage his reputation nothing right right nothing damages Trump so which is absolutely amazing right so it is amazing well here's a funny That man said he could shoot someone on Park Avenue and not lose a single. Yeah. And you say, well, it might depend on who he shot. Yeah, well, he lost one. Because he'd only shoot one of his voters. But anyway, go ahead.

So, but I'm saying that to me, like, if you were on the fence, you just jumped on Trump's side. You didn't say, oh, this guy's a felon. He's going to be a felon now. He's a conviction. Nobody's going to say that. They're going to say, come on, man. What are you doing, bro? did you just did you just go past the statute of limitations did you just indict him on a felony for what is a misdemeanor that has the statute of limitations and try and tie it into another a larger crime that you really can't even articulate like what the what are you doing bro like what a waste like you're you're making liberals look bad by doing this you're talking about legal gymnastics they do it all the time i i agree but when they they seldomly do it against the president or in the press

like usually they do it so that it's behind the scenes the press works with them everybody works with them but when it's out in the light it becomes obvious how manipulative and corrupt everything is and it does and that's the other thing about about finding out that a president has done something illegal every president that comes in finds out the last five presidents did this illegal or that what do they do they don't do anything why it tarnishes the presidency even if you don't like I don't like Biden. I don't like, I don't think he's a good representative of the country. I don't think he's very presidential.

I don't like his, I don't like his policies. I don't like anything about him. But if you walked in the room, you would never see me be more polite to someone because he is the president of the United States have some fucking respect, right? I mean, am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. I agree. Even if you don't like Trump, like I would be, I would be super respectful.

even though he's out there. He says some fucked up shit. So let me say. And I like Trump. Let me say this. Let me say this as a presidential. As a, as a, as a, as a, as a screaming lib. So my friends in jail, I have one friend who tells me, because I go, I don't, I don't like Trump.

He goes, yeah, but you got to respect like he goes, you can't cheer. His gangster. Yeah. He goes, you can't cheer. He goes, it's like cheering against yourself. he goes like all the things that we've done and wanted to get away with you know what I'm saying you have to cheer for this guy to get away with this stuff because he's showing right how bad the system is you know how the system will grab us and shake us up and throw us upside down

and around well they can't grab him and shake him you have to he kept telling me you have to appreciate he's the one that gives me the the ultimate respect for him because he's right he the system cannot get their hands on him. He's so elusive, right, that I have to, I like that. Because he has the balls to kind of say, I'm going to walk this line and you can't touch me. What about, did you hear Dave Chappelle when Dave Chappelle said he knew Trump was like going to win? No, I didn't. I want to say it was, he said, when Trump said during the president.

debate with Hillary Clinton, he said, the system is rigged, tax, you know, the tax system is rigged, it's rigged, I know it's rigged, because I use it. And he said, and so do all of her donors and my, you know, all her donors use it. And if you were going to change all these loopholes, why haven't you done it? He said, I know it's rigged because he said, I use it. So he said, He said, right then he said, I know he's going to win an electorate. I think that's what he said. He said, that's when he knew. Or that's when he said, oh, he said, that's when a star was born.

Isn't that what he said when a star was born? A lot of you don't understand why Trump was so popular. But I get it. He's an honest liar. That first debate, never seen a white male billionaire screaming at the top of his lungs. This whole system is rigged. I know the system is rigged because I use it. I said, God.

Damn! And then Hillary Clinton tried to punch him in the taxes. She said, this man doesn't pay his taxes. He's shot right back. That makes me smart. If you want me to pay my taxes, then change the tax code. But I know you won't because your friends and your donors enjoy the same tax breaks that I do. And with that, my friends, a star was born.

Trump. Poor Trump. Trump's old Biden's old No no But here's the thing Trump's old So do you think

We're gonna have But he's holding up well For a guy who's He's eating like two three hamburgers a day From McDonald's Which is what I'm gonna eat for lunch now Do you say that? Are you serious?

I mean he eats like horribly I bet Biden's taking care of himself His whole life And he's just falling apart And Trump's one of those guys That could smoke two packs a day Eat Burger King three meals a day And it'll live to be fucking 95 years old

And you're like this is ridiculous Anyway I think his narcissism is what's us. What's keeping him going? Yeah. So what do you think? What's going on? What do I think about, like I said, I think it's going to be thrown out.

We were deemed criminals, right? Right. And he's one of us. He's like, I'll do whatever I have to do for me. Yeah. Look. Which is a criminal, criminology kind of thought thinking process. It is, but, you know, okay, so, so, you know, antisocial disorder, right?

which 99% of criminals suffer from, right? Yes. What is it? Is it 2% or 3%? 1% or 2% of society has some kind of antisocial disorder? Almost all criminals have. One or 2% of society has it? Yeah.

Okay. Let's think about 1% of society is on some kind of supervision, either incarcerated or on supervision. Wrong. What is it? What's the number? Okay. So the number. is actually not available.

What they do is they take... How do you know I'm wrong? I'm going to tell you how. Okay. The number that they give you is the number of people in prison and on supervision. That's what I just said.

They're on some kind of supervision. Give me one more second. Okay. They don't count the people in county jails. Oh, so you're saying it's more than that. Oh, there's got to be a ton of people in county jail. What? Every county jail in this country is at capacity.

No. Yes. No, I disagree. I think it's at more like 120, 130 because they have, because you've got two men cells where there's four guys

sleeping them. To me, I feel that's overcapacity. Yes. They don't factor that number in at all. Because they're not guilty yet. That probably could be part of it. Maybe that's part of it.

Yeah. And some of them are misdemeanors. But they don't want to count the misdemeanors. They really want you to know the felon. Because misdemeanors can't go to prison. So what they do is the numbers are skewed. It's a government skewing.

I read this in a book. I'm going to think of the name of it. I'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk bad about the federal government. If that's what you're going to do. I refuse to listen to you, to you propose any type of theory that says the United States government would mislead us. Is that where you're going with this? Yes. This is over.

So, and that's what's funny because Florida for like prisoners has about, they say about 30, 5,000 prisoners. Okay. No, that seems like way too low. It's got to be over 100,000. There's over, is there over like 100,000, 200,000 in the federal system? He built some of the nation's largest banks out of an estimated $55 million because 50 million wasn't enough and 60 million seemed excessive.

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7,000. So you take... 7,000 just in the jails? Yes. You got to take Miami, which has about 12. And, like, Orlando has about nine. Like, if you start adding up just the major metropolises, in their system, it comes up to about 50,000 people in jail, county jail.

So basically we're talking about incarcerated right now in the state of Florida, a couple hundred thousand, roughly, in some capacity. Yes. And they want you to think, oh, it's only about 1% or 2% of the populations in cars. No, it's probably like six or seven. Hold on. How many people live in Florida? 21.78.

So 21 million. and you're saying roughly, well, we estimate it. So maybe it is probably, that's about 1%. Yeah, you're right. So I hate to be wrong like that. Edit that whole thing. Regardless, let's say it's one or two percent. Right.

Okay, because if you got a factory and once again, that's people right now and you're talking about incarceration, we're not talking about people on probation. Well, they say 146,000 on probation. So you add. You said 146,000 on probation? No, how many are incarcerated? They said 80,000 incarcerated.

Oh, okay. And 140. If you include the people, if you include the people on probation. So you're about 230, 230,000 plus basically another 100,000 in the jails. Yeah. Okay, so that's, that's over 21 million, well, 1% of 21 million. Yeah, that's about one and a half percent. Yeah, one and a half.

It's not going to be four or five. It's whatever. It's one to two. One or two. That whole, can you see how we just did that whole? In prison, that's a three-day conversation, by the way. Here, that's a five. Or a fist fight.

So anybody watching this who thinks to themselves that, man, that was a long time to get there. Listen, bro, that was quick. That's a three or four day conversation while you're doing moves walking by. Hey, bro, I looked that shit up and that's not true. Such and such. Yeah, but you didn't look up. You looked up incarcerated. You didn't look up how many people are actually on probation.

Damn, I'll get back to you. Two days later, yo, bro, my mom just sent me the thing on the such and such. And I found out that did. As you're walking by going, one guy's going to wreck. One guy's going to the library. one guy's going back to the housing unit one guy behind him like oh shut up yeah who gives a F exactly so anyway regardless yes I don't know what we were talking about we're talking about Trump going to jail yes yeah we did lose our track didn't we well I mean obviously he's not going to jail no it's going to

get dropped or he's going to go to trial and I think he'll probably win is there a chance he doesn't win Yeah, there's a chance. That's slim. On that case, slim. I think some of maybe more, some of the more serious cases might be a little bit, might pose more of a problem. If they get brought. Do you think it's going to be a repeat Biden and Trump for presidency? I can't, to me, I can't imagine that Biden will run again.

He hasn't announced yet. He's kind of late. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, listen, he's not holding up well. Like, I, you know, I don't see him running. He stumbles a lot. lot. He, and if, and it's only going to get worse. I mean, he's, you know, he's a couple years away from a stroke. Yeah, but I don't know who would, who would go in instead. I mean,

somebody will, will, somebody will come out of the woodwork and run, you know? The, the problem is, you know, will it? The, I think the problem is, like, we were talking earlier about, like, Desantis and that's what it was. We were talking about Trump. Right. And you were saying that Desantis is, like, scared of Trump. Well, so. All right. So, so. All right. So, so. DeSantis is, like, I have a lot of respect for him because he knows how to wield power and he knows how to play on selling the freedom. Got to remember I'm a liberal. So he knows how to play on people's logic, especially Florida people, right?

But I believe... Some people would just call that logic. I believe that he's trying to walk to... much of a line when it comes to Trump, and I think he should really set himself apart. But I think he's afraid that Trump will be, like, I think he's afraid to challenge him head to head. What I mean by that is to contradict him, to separate himself. He's using a strategy of if I play and stroke, this guy will take himself out. He's thinking Trump will take himself out and he'll be the heir apparent, is what I believe. I agree what you're saying. Here's the reason

And I see, and it's funny because, like, Jess and I have this discussion where she's like, I wish he would run. You know, she's like, I wish Desantis would run. And I was like, she's, and I'm saying, I don't think he will run against Trump because what? Go ahead. You're right. Because it's not. That's what he's waiting on.

Right. Because it's my feet, my thought is he's thinking, look, Trump will, if I debate Trump, he'll gut me. Like Trump doesn't take prisoners. You're with him or you're against them. Like most narcissists. You're with them or you're against him. So, and he'll do it. And if you're against him, then he doesn't see that there's any line.

He won't cross. So who knows what he'll say, what rumors he'll get started, whether it's true or not true, what he'll twist. And even if you beat him, he may ruin your chance. He may have done such damage to your reputation. You simply can't run again. For instance, I can't think of Jeb Bush right now without immediately thinking low energy. I don't know why low energy, you know, stuck in my mind so much where he, you know, there are things that Trump says about people that stick with you and then it kind of ruins

that person's character for you or for me. Now, I think that to Santis is thinking, this guy will just gut me and then will I have enough credibility and character left to carry on and win the election? Or do I wait and see if he burns himself out? let him run. He's got four years. DeSantis is young. He can wait four years.

You know? Like he can. And then somebody asked the other day, said, if Trump asked you to be a vice president, his vice president, would you? And he said, yeah, more of an executive guy. Like, I remember thinking, I remember thinking, like, vice president's not good enough for you? Like, to me, I remember thinking, I would,

I'll be vice president. This guy's done in four years and let's face it. In the next four years, he can do a lot of good. And then I just ride that wave. Well, he doesn't think Trump's going to win. Really? Do you heard that? He said that?

No. Reason why he wouldn't get on Trump's ticket is because he thinks he won't win. He won't win. I see, I think with him on the ticket, he would win. And even if he runs and loses with Trump, let's face it. Sanchez doesn't have to put up his own money to do it. Trump runs the whole thing for him. And if he loses, so what?

There have been lots of guys that were vice president on a losing ticket that turned around and ran for presidency. No, there hasn't. What are you talking about? No, there hasn't. Yeah. Who ran on a losing ticket and became president? You want to think Gerald Ford?

I don't know. What do you mean? Did he? Yeah. Didn't. But he, Gerald Ford didn't get elected. I think he got appointed. president he became someone's vice president are you don't mean linden johnson did he win

linden johnson was part of kenned nondon johnson was kennedy's president no he was vice president he became president yeah and then he um so i was going to say he wasn't elected he just became president by default yeah okay so you're saying somebody on a losing ticket with a president vice president could turn around and run run themselves and win that has not happened yet A losing... Are you serious? Yes. I'm looking into this.

Yes. And when I see you on the yard by Friday, I'll know. Okay. We're going to look into this. Somebody in the comment section, because I... Somebody has to have been... Have some vice president probably ran on a losing ticket and then turned around whatever, within the next eight or ten years and ran as president and won.

That's got to have happened. No. I... Well, I mean, so let's say maybe in... the 1800s, maybe I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm 17, you know. You're saying never. I shouldn't say never.

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Okay. I'm almost 95% positive, but I was wrong. Well, listen, someone's smarter. I was wrong about the percentage of people in jails. And that's such a tough question to ask. Google. Geraldine Ferraro. Lloyd Benson, Dan Quail, Jack Camp, Joe Limberman, John Edwards, Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan, Tim

Kane, Mike Pence. Jeez. So it was Franklin D. Rosen, but I'm trying to remember who. Wow. I wonder who he ran with. So Franklin D was the only one. that's upsetting huh well you were almost right there but you know what you know what almost you know who's ticket franklin d roosevelt you're not almost right means right but he's right huh

you know what almost right means right i was wrong yeah but they're right they're absolutely right franklin d he did in fact he was pissed anyway all right i remember kind of history they're right i'm sorry i'm sorry i was wrong franklin d roosevelt so he was president what three uh three died during the last term right listen like it comes back to me the person he was running with he told him like you're a friggin idiot yeah anyway did he run with theodore no uh i'm trying to think um theater roose was it hoover did he run with hoover look are we gonna talk i'm sorry it's almost time to go um what was the other one oh you don't know who ander tate is oh are we done with Trump? Oh, no.

We were still talking about DeSantis. Okay. Well, I mean, I, I think DeSantis thinks Trump's going to lose the election. He has absolutely, he probably doesn't even like Trump. He's, I believe in my mind, I don't think DeSantis will ever be president. No. Are you serious? I'm serious.

He'll definitely be president. No. I don't think so. I think he's, I think he's too confrontational, right? And I think he's over. He is aggressive. He over strategizes. I think he's...

I'm going to say assertive. Over strategizes? No, I'm going to say he's not aggressive as much as just he, DeSantis is assertive. Well, yeah. I'm going to tell you, can I say this in broadview? Some of that crap he's doing is not going to go over well later on. You mean like shipping the, um, shipping people up to Martha's Vineyard? I thought that was hilarious.

I think that was hilarious. I think that was hilarious. I think that's kind of a. a good condescending move. I won't take that from him. But, like, taking away Disney's, because they jumped into some political debate, taking away the fact that they can't own that city

and raising the taxes on the people in the city, that pissed me off. I'm going to tell you, firing the district attorney of Tampa. You're just upset. Oh, I was ticked. I was ticked. And fire it.

firing him right and appointing that unbelievable it's quite all right go ahead handle your business what are you opening you both take that in the bathroom all right and open it all right so i forgot totally what i was saying disney you're upset about disney has free reign over orlando they shouldn't what public company is allowed to police themselves it's ridiculous they're letting diddlers go you know they got didlers on staff they're letting them go they just fire them they've got oh they did you what come on i'm gonna show you the video i'll show you the video you can't all right tons of dittlers get let go from from yeah they they catch them doing stuff they don't have their own police they have their own security which which police is their their their theme parks

There's no cops. So does Indian reservations. I mean, that's Indian reservations. We're all living on their land. Got to give them something. They can have casinos and cigarettes and reservations. I'm not giving my house up.

Why did he do that, though? Because they said something. You're right. It was spite. Was it spite? Yeah, it was spite. He's spiteful. How do you claim to give people more freedom by making more laws?

Well, I think what's happening is that there, a lot of the laws, putting up to try and prevent woke laws. So a lot of them, he's saying, hey, this is what's happening in the schools, and they've got a whole agenda that they're pushing, and we don't like that, or I don't like that, and I'm going to come up with the law

to say they can't do that anymore. So I understand that because... So that's pushing an agenda. It is pushing an agenda. So I'm going to push an agenda to stop an agenda. Yeah, I get that. You get that? Well, I get that when you watch these videos of teachers

saying that the that they're you know that they that like the parents don't know what's best for their children and it's like and you and there are these undercover videos where they're talking to a teacher who's talking about trying to kind of indoctrionize children and they were do you ever see the video where the guys like he's like listen the you know kids are most influenced during this age so this is the best time for me to get with get to them and convince them and basically indoctrinate them towards kind of a woke culture. And it's like, are you, what are you doing? Like, bro, teach these kids how to read and write. Like, it's not your job to teach me, you know, how to be, you know, inclusive of this or that, you know, trans women and

trans men. Like, that's not your job, bro. Well, if a child asks, and this is what they'll say, if a child asks about, you know, what is a homosexual, then I tell them, you tell them to go ask your mother. Don't ask your mom. All right. So can I ask you two questions? What's the purpose of kindergarten? Well, it's a German word and it means to, it means to shape. No, I'm just joking. I don't know. It is a German word. But I mean, I don't know. What do you mean? It's to educate. I don't know what. It's to teach kids how to get along with other kids. It's to get kids ready to for school. Kindergarten's a preparation because kids are at home. Right. So. And then they have to, yeah.

So they have like romp, you know, romper room. We're going to play over here. It's play time. Okay. We're going to line up. So it's in the end of this, you're going to tell me that they should be doing drag shows in school? No.

Okay. I must say that. Second of all, do you know the definition of the word indoctrinate? The definition of it? Yeah. Yeah, to be to, to alter someone or to, what, is it to be inclusive, to include them or to get that person to believe in something? something. It's too, yeah, it's, and you do that by controlling what they have access to. The way you

indocterate someone is to say, you can't see this. Right. This is the only thing you look at. Well, I don't know about that, but anyway, what do you make? Well, I mean, if I'm going to indocturate you, I'm not going to make everything that, I'm not going to say, here are your choices, pick whatever you want. I'm going to say, this is, you can't have this. Exactly. So by saying, listen, there are certain books that can't be offered, right? When you're fighting woke, you're trying to stop indoctrination by indoctrinate. Okay, look, I don't even understand where that's going. My point is, if he's saying they can't look, if you can't cover this, right, I'm going to

control what you're able to show our kids. I don't want you telling our kids that slave, that United States is a bad country because we had slaves. I mean, I'm going to shape the way. I can understand teaching history, but telling kids that like, you're white, you're white, therefore you're a bad person. Who said anything about that? Listen, I can, I'm going to start sending you the videos.

I don't send you the videos because, all right. Like the teachers that the teachers are fucking horrible, bro. They say all kinds of fucked up shit. All kinds of shit. That it's like what? Like you're white so you have privilege. So you should feel bad about having privilege. So why not train the teachers?

What are you talking about? Okay. Okay. All right. So I agree. What is that? It's a notification of some kind. Oh.

I agree. No one should be saying you're white. You're a bad person. No one should be saying you're black. You're a bad person. No one should be saying you're Hispanic. You're a bad person. Right.

I agree with that. I hear you. I'm with you. But what does I have to do with slavery? What do you mean? They're not saying that there's no such thing as slavery and there never was slavery. What are they saying? I mean, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

So what I'm saying is the philosophy is where it's going to stop saying America is a racist country because we had slaves. They're saying other countries had slaves. They're saying that they said that it's a horrible, it's a bad country because they had slaves. Right. But every country out there had slaves. Yes. So all countries are bad. Maybe.

Some of the history of our world is, was kind of segregationist. But you can't, you can't. That's all societies have been like that. Right. But you can't, like, limit what I know about that. My perception is born from all that I see and understand and I get my opinion. My opinion shouldn't come from seeing only limited information, right, and form an opinion that's based on limited information.

My opinion should be formed from having all the information. Okay, what information are they saying that they don't have? They're not going to give books that promote slavery or the U.S. A people with the opinion that the U.S. is a racist country. Let's get those books out. There are people who think that. I agree with that. Okay.

I agree that, you know, like, you shouldn't be going around saying that the United States is completely, like, you know, racist. Like, every country is racist. And most countries, let's face it, like go to China. Go to Japan. Go to, shoot, you go to Europe. Go to a lot of these countries. Like, they're extremely in open about it. There was a-

Yes. Muslim countries are extremely racist and prejudice. And, what is it? What do you call it against women? Oh, yeah. Misogynistic or, yeah. So I agree with you on that. Right.

But to focus, what I think is just like, like young people are just completely focused on these woke ideologies that are just, they're just outrageous. It's like, what are you doing? Like he, she and him. I get on LinkedIn and people are like, you know, John, you know, John Thomas, and then it says, you know, he, him.

It's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, well, I agree some of that's crazy, but that's, they're crazy. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist that I don't want exposure to it. It just means that that's what that person's going through. I think we should see the whole picture. I don't think you should shave down or, fight woke by limiting information. I think everyone should have all the information

and form their own opinion. In China, you're sending you the videos. You send me the video. In China. Matt, in China. Or kids. In China, they restrict.

They want people to accept the government. So they absolutely restrict what they learn. If you don't know what else is going on, if you don't teach. Our country does that already. I mean, you see like in France, like they don't talk anything. about there's riots in France right now. It's outrageous. The only place you get that is on TikTok. If you look at all of these, all they're talking about is Trump. There's nothing about France. If you go to YouTube. It's insane. It is. It's insane that like they're fighting over

to changing the age of retirement from 62 to 65. Riding over it. It's like out. Millions and millions of people are writing. It's insane. It is. It is. And that's that's, that's endocrat. by not presenting information. What do you think about San Francisco wanting to give, and I probably got the amount where I'm pretty sure it was four or five million dollars to every African American in San Francisco and a free house? I think that's extreme. My opinion. You think? What about? I think it would be wasted and wilted away. Do you think it might break the budget? Not isn't even possible. So to even suggest it is ludicrous wouldn't you say that's insane for people that weren't that well it would be it would be

the same as the stimulus the thousand dollars stimulus it's five million dollars i don't think that's yeah i think it's insane i think it's excessive and what do you think about the liberal cities that went in and said in all these places like in la in san francisco and chicago hey we're not going to prosecute anyone that steals less than a thousand dollars i think i need to move there have you seen you've seen the people that just they just go and flash the flash raids not just that people walking and just fucking stealing shit and walking out and saying fuck you and walking out brazen because they know they won't prosecute me did you know walmart's closing half their stores in Chicago, half. Targets moving out. They're moving out in droves. And you know what's happening?

Now people are running around going, I can't believe that these stores are moving. When I went to L.A. And I was in downtown L.A. There are stores closed everywhere. And when I asked the people in the hotel, they were like, yeah, well, they've run them out of business. And I go, who ran them out of business? And I asked two different people in the hotel. And they were like, yeah, I know. The only places that are up are places that can afford to have security. And even then, they're starting to realize, people that rob are starting to realize that the security,

that they're, they were not allowed to physically stop them. So if they can call the police and the police can get there in time, they can arrest them, take them downtown, photograph them, book them and release them. They don't prosecute them. So all you do is get a ride downtown and a photograph.

So what would keep you from going other than just, good behavior like every mom and pop store in downtown LA is is closed the only places that are still open are like writing I know these types of you know what I'm saying like um these larger chains and half and those are all moving they're all like yeah we're done we're done we're done so all what about the in I forget which where is the the the chicks like the mayor or something of like not Chicago I wasn't I don't think it was Chicago but it's like Seattle or something And she was taught she ran on defunding the police and now there's riots and they're robbing the place blind. And now she's running around going, yeah, yeah, where are the police?

Where are the police? You cut a hundred million dollars out of their budget. Like, it's like they have these, these feel good ideas. And then when they collapse, they run around like, ah, but the truth is, like, it's, it would be, it's easy to be a limousy. liberal when you live in a glass tower and those people can't get into your neighborhood. So for me to run around and say it's not fair and it's not right and what's happening and they should do this and they should do that and they should do that and then cut this and cut that and then things go to hell doesn't really affect you because you're living behind a guarded

gate or you have a doorman and you live in a fucking, you live in Manhattan and nobody's going to break into your house and go up to the 30th floor. And so it's like I get it. Like I, I, I, there there are lots of liberal ideas I love. There's lots of, you know, Democrat things that Democrats want to do that I love. I love them. But I'm realistic. Like, you can't pay for them.

Like, I would love free health care. My favorite video is that video. I think I even sent you the video where they're firing some missile. Like, they're showing all these these missile systems and they're like, and they're like, yeah, we're about to show the Russians why we don't have health care. You know, like, like I get it.

It's true. you know, but I would love free health care. Like the idea of having to pay for health here really bothers me for some reason. But, but you don't have to pay for it. What do you mean? You never had to pay for health care. You can just go to the emergency room and not pay. Stop it.

Stop it. You're going to get, yeah, but they're going to bill you and it'll go on your credit eventually and they'll come after it. Look, stop it. I don't want to do that. My point is that there's lots of things that I think. That becomes what you call a dilemma. But go ahead.

I would love free daycare. I would love free, you know, free health care, free daycare. There's lots of things that I think would be great. But, you know, it's like who pays for that? Well, absolutely, it's the benefit of daycare for a working mom. I think, that's what I'm saying. I think it's huge. I think that allows her to pay taxes.

All right, but listen, listen, because we'll go round and round and we almost out of time. So we have to go with our different views on this. Listen, I absolutely understand what you're saying. I respect it, but I respectfully disagree. I think that if people are moving out of Chicago or closing them down, or if it's capture and release, whatever. 600,000 people left California last year. They're moving out in droves, and it's not the poor people.

It's the rich people. Who's going to pay the bills? Who's going to pay the bills? Anybody call for the FBI to be defunded? Why? Because you're backing them? No, I'm just asking. Does anybody call for the FBI to be defunded?

No, they just say, like, the police. They just, it's just a general, just the police. As a convict, Matt, I'm sure you don't have a high view of a police. You know what's funny is like, it's a funny how I always say like the FBI, but the problem is I had a really, really grungy FBI agent. Candace called her on. She was horrible. But I also, the one that I also had, Leslie Nelson was an FBI agent. She was super professional.

Very nice. Secret service. Every secret service agent I, met was very professional. But I had really just had one or two, I had two FBI agents that were on my case that were just like scumbags. Like it's like, like I get what I did, but you're acting like I'm a terrorist. You're acting like I'm blowing up children and killing people and harming people. Like I took some money from banks. Like I, you know, I stole some identities. Like I'm not saying that some people didn't lose some money. Some people did go out and they hired attorneys, but I've

never taken money from an individual, but I literally had these two, like one agent was useless. The other one was just, she was just a vicious, vicious, angry, bitter person all around. And the other people, I was told by FBI agents that said other people in the FBI didn't like her. They were like, like literally like, what was her name? This is the one in Tampa? Candace Calderon. The one in Tampa? Yes. Oh, my God. I had a run in with her. She's horrible.

Yeah, she is. She's the most rudest. What happened to her anyway? I mean, she retired. Now she teaches defense courses. Anyway, yeah, I had. So I don't understand, but because that doesn't answer my question. I'm saying overall, like, look, listen, overall, I'm a huge believer in law enforcement.

Like, I believe, like, listen, I want to be safe. Me too. I want law enforcement. I want decent law enforcement. I want decent law enforcement. enforcement that isn't rude. I watch these videos. You ever see the guys with like that video the what they call them? Auditors. Constitution auditors. Yes. No, Second Amendment auditors. Those are what you call sovereign citizens. Well, not all of them. But yeah, yeah, they'll go out and they'll,

they just video. They'll walk through like a public building and video and people come out and drove like, oh, what are you doing here? You can't be here videoing. You're not allowed to. Yeah, I am. It's a public building. Well, no, this is private. No, it's not public. It's public. this is public records. I'm in a public building. Oh, we're calling the police. And they call the police about half the time

the police show up and say, what are you doing? I'm doing this. Well, what's your name? I'm not telling you my name. Well, can you, let me see somebody. No. Half the time the cops are like,

all right, man, just don't bother anybody do me. All right, thanks. Are you freaking kidding me? I'm, I don't know what you watch. So I'm going to, I'm going to. Cartoons. But look. The other half, though, the cops are jerks.

They handcuff them. They pull their license. that, you know, but they're, they are legally allowed to videotape. Yes. I'm allowed to videotape in public. And you can ask me for my driver's license, but you have, and my ID, you're right, you're allowed to ID, if you can articulate a crime that I'm committing. And you know what?

Most of the time they do, they're like, a valid reason, not a crime you're committing. Well, you know, you have to do, you have to, yeah, you have to, the, the law says from these guys are saying. And they tell, right. And they learn that the cops, the cops, they educate the cops all the time where the cops are like, well, I'm doing an investigation on what? I'm finding out who you are. That's not a crime. Finding out who I am, you have to be able to articulate a specific crime that you're investigating.

What do you think I've done? And they'll be like, well, I don't know what you've done until I've done the investigation. They're like, that's not the way that law works. So I'm not giving you my ID. Then they go, they're like, well, you're videotaging me. It's suspicious. Suspicious is not a crime. So they'll go on and on with the cop.

Most of the time, the cops get frustrated and just, like, knock the phone out of their hand and handcuff him and yank their shit. And then, of course, by the time, then the supervisor shows up and he's like, uncuff him. What was he doing? What's doing this? Listen, bro. They're like, okay, they'll go to the guy and say, listen, Mr. Johnson, I'm sorry. I apologize. Here's what happened.

He didn't know. Do you have your stuff? I hope everything's okay. Are you good? By all means, you can video. You can. So my problem is you see so many of these cops. that are so overwhelmingly power hungry

that it makes you hate them. They're few and far in between, right? But it's the problem is, do you remember Jason Weeks used to say this? It's what Jason Weeks used to say. It's the 99% that make the 1% look bad. It's the 99% of bad cops that make the 1% of good cops look bad. But the point is, it is it's the 1% of bad. cops that make the 99% look good.

Look bad. I mean, look bad. Yeah, sorry, look bad. Like, I can't tell you how many times I've watched one of those videos and seen the cop walk up and say, you know, hey, what's going on? We were called out here. Are you a second amendment auditor or whatever they are? First Amendment auditor, I forget which one it is.

And they're like, yeah, I am. And they're like, okay, so you're just videoing, right, right? Yeah, just video. Okay, no problem. You have every right to do that. Do me a favor. Don't go on their property. It's a private property.

I'm not going on their video on their property. I understand. Just let you know. Then he goes over and they tell the woman or the man, whoever's complaining. They're like, look, he's allowed to do this. Oh, he's videoing my property. It's my, stop it, man, stop. They shut them down.

Like, what are you talking? The guy's allowed to videotape. Just go inside. You don't want to be on videotape? Oh, okay. Go in your house. Close the windows. So what I'm saying is those, it's like the same thing with the guards.

There were some guards that were just there to do a job. Like, bro, just don't let me see you do this. Don't do this. don't do that come on what do you do like they then there were other job cops that went in there they're shaking your locker down they're flipping your bed they're looking I'm doing a search you're like but you're fucking trash in my room

for no reason just because you're a dick and they wouldn't let you on the police department if you if you'd pass the police exam you'd be a cop right now hassling people you know what's so funny to where I was the extreme was

so wide that one cop would come right and everybody would be sitting and lined up correctly and the other cop would come and you'd walk in and they're frying um burritos in the unit smells like a restaurant I'm like it smells like a fucking restaurant in here yeah and he he doesn't leave the office he doesn't care doesn't give a day I go like

how extreme you got the guy's tattooing the tattoo you guys used to go and tell the cops they listen man I'm gonna be honest with you yeah or they'd be like listen man I'll be honest with you I tattoo I got somebody coming over and they They go, well, when's it coming over? Yeah. Okay, well, listen, the lieutenant comes by.

The extremes. Yeah, lieutenant comes by at seven, okay? So have somebody will look out, a real lookout. Don't be doing it when the lieutenant comes. It makes me look back. Like, those are the cops are like, look, this is a stupid law. They're going to tattoo. Yeah.

Okay. I'm not going to shake them down and just take his needles so that he goes and steals more needles and does more stuff. Like, let's just. Well, for the last minute, can you hone in what you were saying? I don't know what I was saying. You're talking about defunding the FBI. I don't want to defund the FBI.

I'm okay with the FBI. I just wish they'd get rid of Candace and stuff. Well, she already retired. She's already gone. But I'm just saying that it was lavender. So we're okay. Yeah, I just, to me, I just think that, you know, if you've got a dickhead cop, then they need to get rid of them.

You know what they do sometimes? They're just like, look, you retire and you can go, like, they'll just shift them somewhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Dickhead cops really have a lot of power. People in the comments make fun of us because they say we're like stuck in the 80s or 90s. And they didn't think, like, they say, like, the 90s, like, that was the turn of the center.

Like, that was, actually, I guess it was. It was. But they say, like, the 90s and 80s, like, like, Matt, it's like watching, watching these guys. It's like watching two guys in the 80s or the 90s. We're old. We're old people. You ever notice all the actors they mention are in their 50s or 60s or dead? It's like, they don't know any new actors. No, I don't.

I don't know any new hip actors. And neither do they. They do. That's all they know. That's all that. Samuel Jackson is still relevant. Samuel Jackson's amazing. Yes, he's still relevant.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is still The Terminator. Is he not people? Is he not still the Terminator in his 90s? Isn't he going to jail soon? Or they? Yeah, for shooting somebody. Spaceic, Kevin Spaceic. Spacey?

Spacey, yes. There is a woman, Sissy Spaceic. Yeah. All right, sorry. Yeah, it's a Sissy Spacic. I don't know. It's Kevin, Kevin Spacey.

The blacklist. Did you ever see the blacklist? Oh my God, yes. That's my favorite show. People used to, the only reason I ever watched it, by the way, is so many people in the concrete. Reddington?

Yeah, Reddington. In the concrete one that I did, so many people were saying, bro this guy's uh this guy is reddington from the and they they kept saying it and i was like like i must have seen it like five or ten times and i finally went you know what let me look this up and i looked it up and i watched like i watched all of them by the way but within all oh it's like 10 seasons i watched them all are you serious i even watched the ones during covid when they actually made like they actually did um they did animation because they couldn't

all be together so they had somebody animate the series or animate parts of the of the yeah horrible so it got bad though didn't it what it about season six and seven was ridiculous i did like redington my problem was that and i like the character i like the whole thing my problem was that's you are comparing me to a a just a complete sociopath that would kill anybody but i do like him and i get it i hear i see it but all right so a few minutes on blacklist if you don't mind all right love it because my favorite show so began Excellent. When he walks in the FBI, he tells him it walks back, knows exactly what's coming.

Yes. It gives everybody up. Then he starts working a plot. Then, you know, she has a baby. And then they start working his wife into it. So like seasons one through four. Yeah, one through four, five and a half. Excellent.

Then it got off track. When she's like when he became broke. Like the season that he's in prison fighting his case. Yeah. Yeah. So I stopped after season seven. There's three other ones. Did it get better?

Did you? Did it? Because it's over now. Yeah. No. I mean, it's, you know, what happened was it became more and more just repetitive, repetitive. It's the same stuff. Really?

Yeah. I don't think you got any. There was, there was always a side story going on with the. What did happen? Did ultimately, when the, the, the, did you ultimately find out that. she was or wasn't his daughter. Yeah, that was driving me nuts. Yeah.

There were times I was like, oh, definitely. There was like, then they brought the mom in it. Yes. Yeah, I saw those. I saw those. You know, the mom was treachery. I was, I was upset when they killed her husband. Yeah.

When they finally killed him. He was a good character. Yes, he was. The new boyfriend is garbage. I don't remember the new boyfriend. Maybe I didn't see that season. Maybe I went all the way up and I, maybe I didn't see it. because I don't remember exactly how it was.

You know, I loved, oh gosh, what was his buddy's name? The black guy? Yes. Oh, God. Did he finish? Did he finish all that? Tube or whatever's name was. Dembe.

Dimbe. Dembe. I always love the one where Dembe is sitting there and he's, like, I guess Reddington had caught up with a guy that had basically, like, harmed Dembe. Yes. I know exactly what you're going to say. Yeah, he's sitting there going, telling the guy, he's like, and he goes, Redington.

Yeah, you don't. I'll do the line and go, Reddington, you don't have to do this. Yeah, he says, that's the difference between men like you or men like him and men like you. No, men like us. Men like us. And then he boom, shoots the guy. Oh, he has so many classic, there's so many kills that I'm just like, yes. If you go online, there's, there are total videos with nothing but.

readington quotes with music in the background they're great oh i gotta see he said drive jess crazy we'd be driving i love and his stories oh yeah you know he reminds me of and this is way back in the 70s is you know what we're talking about what oh god the blacklist let's know no forget it he's this he's ridiculous it's it's crazy i can't talk to him listen i i told i quoted someone the other day i go she the girl goes i knew you were going to call i go oh just like miss cleo I go, you don't know who that is, do you? Now, I'm like, damn. That was the 90s.

Listen, I have so many things I'll say to Jess, and she just, I, she gets that look. She tries not to say anything and I'm just like, you don't know, you don't know what that is. And she's like, I don't, I don't, maybe, what is it? And I'll start to tell her, she'll go, I think I've seen one. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, and it's like, stop it. You're making it worse. Yeah. What the hell happened to us?

all these old dated now there's so many shows it's it's even hard to come up with one but he reminds me of um of the gilligan's island thurston howell the third that's what i think what's his name anyway spader kevin no no spades it's spadeer james spader james oh yeah raymond reddish is it james spader yes that's but that's what this is horrible because people what i hate is i don't mind being wrong what i hate is when people hammer me in the you know i could look it up Listen, I could look it up. I'm not going to.

It's James Reddington, whatever. James Spader, Raymond Reddington. But that is exactly, like, if his first movie is called Tough Turf, and that's the same character from Tough Turf when he was like 20 years old that he's playing right now. He's a method actor. He's like the, what's the guy's name that plays with Jennifer Aniston in the breakup? Yeah. are you talking about Vince Vaugh

Vince Vaughn Vince Vaughn is a method actor He's Vince Vaughn He plays the same I hate actors That is the same character In every movie James Spader

Yeah Is that what you said? Yeah he's James Spader is the same character In every movie Vince Vaughn is the same character He doesn't change Pretty in pink

Yes James Spader is in pretty and pink Yes You know who he plays in there he plays Reddington. Yes. He is exactly the same character. Yes.

He's the same. He's not really an actor. He's just playing himself. Yes. He probably exactly like that real person. Yes. Yes. He just shows up and becomes he's not really an actor.

But if you were to go, like if you watch the movie Heat. Yes. And then you watch the movie and Heat is with De Niro, right? Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro. Piscopo. No, he Not Joe Pesipo.

What's his name? The other detective. He's not going to know. Anyway, it's not other detective. There's a detective, which is Al Pacino. Al Pacino. And then you've got

Robert De Niro. So De Niro, if you watch De Niro in Heat, and then you go and watch the movie. A Bronx tale. No, not even. I'm talking about something like, literally like something like the intern.

He, you cannot picture. Or what is it one with Grandpa, Dirty Ground. Right. He's two completely different people. I mean, it's absolutely insane that this is the same person. So, but Al Pacino's almost his, he moves, but it's not much. No, you're right. Robert De Niro or Denzel, Denzel Washington is another one that's over here and over here.

Wells is like that. Which one? Very, very broad. Extremely. I mean, just a huge, he could, he's super versatile, which is, um, oh gosh, he played in, come on, Matt. He's a black guy. He was in, in the, in the movie, um, he was in, uh, any given Sunday. He plays the lead, Jamie Curtis. Jamie, Jamie Curtis. Jamie Curtis. That's the female. Jamie Lee Coors. No, it's, uh, Jamie Fox. Do you look at him in that role and then you look at him in the role where he plays the taxi driver oh yeah with um tom cruz tom what about tom would you think you think he's abroad i mean he basically gets all the same i don't know that the characters are that he doesn't play different characters he always plays a lead guy that's super cool and kind of tough so you know it's always kind of him so

you know what i'm saying like they're there he does a little bit a little bit not deniro in dirty grandpa I don't know, dirty, I don't know, he wasn't in dirty, what is it, what is it called the grandpa movie? I was saying like the, uh, Meet the Falkers or something. Like he could play, he could be a comedian, a goofy kind of comedian. He can be a helpless old man like he was. Gangster. Yeah, or he can be a straight thug gangster that is dangerous. Yes.

Like the guy that he plays in the intern is not a dangerous person. I know, I understand you're not, you know, I don't know if you've seen that one or not. He's just this, he's an old guy and he's kind of fragile and, but he's the nice guy. he's a smart guy but that's it like he's not dangerous the guy he plays in heat is the kind of guy that he just looks gives you a look and you think this guy's going to come to my house tonight what about have you seen casino of course like casino i i no casino he was more of a whip no no i was going to say casino is horrible you're thinking like good fellas good fellas yes good fellows and casino two totally different people like the guy in casino he's not going to do

nothing he's not going to harm you he's not going to he's not going to touch you physically he's not a physically a violent person, Cassine? I mean, about Goodfellas. Yeah. Yeah, he'll kill you and your whole family. Or what about, he played in Untouchables? No. A taxi driver, he played in.

No, the movie, he plays Al Capone. You're nothing but a lot of talking a badge. Yeah, he talks. You're nothing but a lot of talking about. Scarface. Yeah, that's not Scarface. Untouchables, Untouchables. Yeah.

I always, you know, my favorite. Kevin Costner. My favorite line. in that movie. Which one? Untouchables is when he's got the guy, the hitman, on the roof, and the guy says, you should have heard your friend squealing like a pig. And he goes, what?

He grabs them, throws him off the roof instead. The guy's going, ah! And he goes, sound anything like that? It's such a great line. I know. Mine is the one I just quoted, nothing but a lot of talking a badge. Oh, you're right. Because he's like, never give up.

They're trying to fight. When the judge, he tells the judge that his name is on the bribe list. Oh, yeah. So the judge says, I want you to take that jury, once you go into the other courtroom and swap the jury. Because he's all relaxed and chill. And he goes, I'm swapping the jury. And he goes, hey, hey, what are you doing?

Don't stop him. Stop him. Yeah, yeah. He tells him to stop him. And then they're all, the courtroom gets crazy. And he's trying to, he goes, what are you saying? What, what, what are you saying? The Al Capone is trying to hear what Elliot Ness is saying.

So they're getting close. And he goes, never give up. never give up because I get out of here there's been a lot of talk in the badge I love I was going to say

one of my the favorite quotes is from the Joker where he says Joker Joker No no Dark night where he says

He says Plan look at me Do I look like I go with the plan? He said I'm just a dog chasing cars I wouldn't know what to do If I caught one

Yes I love that So which It says we're covering all right does that joker have more lines or did jack nicholson have more lines oh no the joker and dark night had way more lines right don't you think than jack i mean i mean more classic lines jack nixcloson when he played the joker the original batman played like the it was like a comic book version of i mean not that jack nicholson's another one he always plays jack nickleson

what was that character the purple oh i know who you're talking about you're talking about about now that he's a big guy with his own, that jaw, he's a big tough guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can't play anybody but him. No, he doesn't need to play anybody with him. He's hilarious. He, where he dated Elaine in Seinfeld. See, this is another one. I'll make Jess, like,

I made, Jess watch Rockford Files. Oh, my, James Gardner. God. She couldn't stand it. No, she's like, no, it's okay, it's okay. She doesn't mind. She's, but it is kind of repetitive. Oh, my God.

Listen, as a kid, I thought that was, like, I didn't, I didn't understand what was going on. We probably watched 10 of them so far. I know. I didn't understand what was going on. Like, I used to watch Rockford Files every week because James Garner would kick butt. He's cracking himself up over there. We got it. He's got another one.

What is it? What is it now? No, no. I didn't know that Patrick put Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. He was Buzz Light Year? Yeah. And he looks like Buzz Lightley. I thought that was, um.

No, Tom Hanks plays, though. Woody. No, but I thought that was the guy that plays the TV show. Tim Allen. I thought that was Tim Allen was um, Buzz Light Year. It might. I think you're right. I think it was. I thought Tim Alana was Buzz, Buzz, Buzz Light, the first Buzz Light Year at least. Yeah.

Well, Tim Allen's still. Oh, he looks. Oh, he's the Buzz Light Year in the movie. Oh, the movie did horrible, I heard. Right? Didn't it do horrible?