Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - World's Craziest Prison Escape | Explained Step by Step

Episode Date: October 1, 2023

World's Craziest Prison Escape | Explained Step by Step

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If you hadn't been to prison, I would not date you. That was one of my, that was one of my rules. That's so bad. That's a bad rule. One day he said, okay, here's a deal. I'm going to need your help. He broke it down. He's like, I need you to do this, this and this to aid and escape. And I'm like, oh, wow. I needed all on wrenches, a hands-free headset so I can be on the phone while I'm doing whatever I'm doing. I didn't look into it as deeply as I maybe should have, but apparently, you know, assisting escape is frowned upon. got the stuff. You got the stuff. I hopped in a car, and I drove straight to the prison. I remember him telling me, like, with his Louisiana accent, like, just belly crawling your stomach like an alligator. You walked up to the fence, inside of the tower. You throw it over the fence. It was two fences. He drugged one guard and stole the keys. Like, he drugged the guard. He just launched just to get one door, like, remove a door. Whenever I was cutting through the fences, I would have to cut through not one but two fences. So I actually broke into the prison to get him out.

Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm here with Danica Darling, and we are going to be hearing her story. I've read a couple articles. Basically, she ended up, you basically broke her boyfriend out of prison. It's a funny, it's kind of a funny story. It's interesting. So check out the interview. All right. So I read the article.

before we get to that let's start you know at the beginning like where were you born okay so i was born in palm beach and like you know southern florida but i i say that my hometown's panama city because that's where i was raised i've lived here my whole life so i'm pretty much you know from panama city but so yeah i think that panama city is associated with you know like the tourist town that's where everyone goes on spring break and it's just with club la villa and MTV and all that stuff. It's just like a destination for like excitement and partying and just my parents worked at Club La Vila on the beach for nine years throughout my childhood and or in some way around the tourist industry. So I was around a lot of that commotion and the

hustle and the the fast pace of, you know, people wanting to party. And it's more of a family place now. But back then, whenever I was a child, it was definitely. a party atmosphere where celebrities would be coming to visit and, you know, just a lot going on. I have my dad and my stepmom who my dad's been with pretty much my whole life. And they worked really hard to make ends meet and put food on the table. And so they really didn't supervise me and my sister had my sister. She's 18 months older than me. So yeah, we kind of just fended for ourselves and just were kind of left to our own just to do whatever we wanted to do. And that's how my dad parented. And you went to school in Panama City also? Yes. I, I wasn't a bad student,

but it was hard to heat my attention in school. If I was interested in it, I can make good grades. What I was interested in is finding ways to make shortcuts with tests and like cheat sheets. Like that's where my, I feel like my criminal activity started was finding out my own way to get by undetected. like I felt like I'm smart I'm getting away with something this is awesome I don't have to study you know I was the kid doing the homework on the school bus on the way to school printing out every you know like copying the every other answers in the back of the book like why would I sit for hours slaving over my textbooks the night before whenever the answers are in the back I can do it on the way to school you know what I mean like it just didn't make sense to me to yeah I read I was going to Say I read an article about a guy one time and his teacher, they spoke with his teacher, one of his high school teachers and he said he'd spend more time trying to figure out how to cheat on a test than actually just study.

Yeah, yeah. And I can't take credit, but I remember whenever we got to high school, someone actually went as far as putting like vocabulary words on CDs. And so we were allowed in English to listen to our little, whenever we had the compact CD players. It's like kids would be like, what is that? Like, like we like, you know,

we laugh at Walkmans or whatever. and now like CD players, that's funny, it's like a thing of the past, but they would put the answers on the CD and they would have it in the CD listening to the answers. And I thought that was just brilliant. I couldn't believe it, but I wish I would have thought of that. But yeah, I thought that was great. So yeah, if I ever wanted to go do something, like I would get in good with certain teachers that would allow it and like negotiate me leaving early or not making it. And then I would do like, you know, like I did like a mural and like I got on or good side, my Latin teacher. And so I just, we had an understanding. And she let me get by with a lot of

stuff, but I also pitched in. You know what I mean? Did you and your sister both go to the same high school? We did. But my sister, okay, so my sister has been in and out of trouble and in the criminal activity as well in a different, different realms. We haven't, we, you know, we fight like cats and dogs, although we're very close these days. We've figured out, you know, how to deal with each other in a more mature way these days. Although we were only 18 months apart, she was two grades ahead of me. So she was, it seemed like way older than me back then.

You know, whenever we were younger, it's like, oh my God, two grades older, they're like so old. They're so cool and they're so much older, like, you know what I mean? And now it's like, consider that like your same age. So that's funny to think about. But yeah, she had already been suspended and was going to alternative school

by the time I got to high school. So she was like in and out of trouble. Like, you know, she caused a lot of, ruckus. What was she in trouble? What did she do? What was you in trouble? It must have been something like fighting or having like weed or just, you know, getting messed up on camp. It might have been something with weed or fighting. She was just, she's quick to fight. She's got a temper on her and she's quick to fight. Yes. And that definitely taught me. I'm not, I'm not a fighter, but I'm not just going to let myself get beat up, you know? So yeah, so she, I grew up with her,

you know, I don't know if I feel weird cussing, but. you know she's just whipping my ass I grew up with her whooping my ass and then finally whenever I could whip her ass she was like oh you know she I remember the one fight that just showed her okay this is a line don't cross it you know and it's it's never been and she knows now you know so that's funny to me but so do you graduate high school did you get did you get in trouble in high school just graduate did you so here's the thing I didn't get in trouble or cause problems I didn't break my parents' rules or, you know, I followed their rules, but here's the, here's the rule. Okay, if you are going to be out past 11, don't come home, but call me and let me know

where you are. So why would I sneak out whenever I just have to either be home before 11 or don't come home? Why would I break that? You know what I mean? Like, I never was lying and sneaking out and, like, arguing with my parents, but I was definitely partying and doing things that I had no business doing, but I remember rolling, I had pre-rolled joints that I would sell and I would have like, I would have the math in my head like, okay, I'm going to buy my pack of black and my owls and then my bottle of whiskey for the weekend. And I just had like this system going. You know what I mean? How old were you? Whenever I was like 15, I had, you know, also hustling. I would just find ways, you know, and I actually would do things that

weren't illegal. Like I would like stress girls jeans, you know, it's popular to have like ripped up jeans and I would like take their jeans home and stress them for them because I'd wear them to school and girls would ask me about them so I would do that for money but I would just figure out ways to have what I needed and at 15 I started actually working and I thought I knew everything you know we know everything whenever we're teenagers and I'm like why would I spend time in school whenever I could be out here making more money like what this is a waste of my time what do you mean so I convinced my dad to let me drop out and did online school and until I was old enough to get my GED at 16.

And so whenever I turned six, go ahead. Go ahead. You said you turn 16. Well, whenever you have your GED, you can legally work full time. So that was exciting. Yeah. So getting the clearance to work full time with my, you know, the places I was working, I was like, oh my God, this is awesome.

I can make even more money, you know? So that was really, I just became a workaholic at a young age. And I just, I thought this minimum wage was just, I thought it was where it was at. You know, I thought I was making so much money. It's funny to look back, but, you know, I had a, I was, you know, catching on to something like the work ethic, you know what I mean? Like, generating this money. Like, I never knew I could make this money, but, you know, so I just having that taste, it made me, it gave me that, that drive. And I'd never felt that before with anything besides, you know, like a couple, you know, a little extracurricular activities, but the making money was whenever I was like, wow, I can do this. How long did you work before did you ever get in trouble? Did you ever?

So here's the thing. sister my sister she was a teen mother she got pregnant at 16 and she had her baby at 17 but she whenever she moved out of the house with her boyfriend her house became the party house so you know you know backtrack my parents there's a lot of arguing a lot of screaming and yelling a lot of you know just issues in the home and it was it was just a toxic place it was it was not a good place to be so we we wanted to get out of there and and i love my parents i mean God bless them. They're amazing people, but everybody, you know, couples have their issues and they were very much younger then and then it wasn't the best environment. You know, it's a lot of stress. Hanging out at my sister's house at the party house, who are we going to be hanging out with? We're going to be hanging out with other kids that dropped out, right?

Right. Everyone was in school. A lot of college students aren't hanging out there. Mm-hmm. And it just became a norm, you know, and it wasn't like we were doing hard drugs or anything, but it's like drinking, smoking weed, you know, every day. cigarettes. Oh, I thought it was so cool. You can't tell me nothing. Like, I just thought, I can't leave I used to smoke cigarettes. But I just thought I started with Black and Miles and I just thought I was so cool. I'm going to have to continuously laugh at things that I used to love and get excited about because it's just crazy how much you can change. You know what I mean? Things that we used to do and things that used to excite us. And we just thought that was the best. It's such a good idea at the time.

You know what I mean? Like, it seemed like such a... Yeah, I've had many moments like that. So, yeah, naturally, if I'm hanging out with other kids that have dropped out and, you know, they're probably in broken homes too and, you know, probably have, you know, traumas and other issues and stuff like that and they get into gang activity and criminal life and stuff like that. So it just kind of was like an organic snowball, you know what I mean?

So I actually started date. I was like full-blown partying, hustling. By the time I was 16, I was like, I was like a like on Coke and hustling Coke, like to the Hooters girls as a Hooters hostess. Like I was the plug. You know what I mean? That was like the girl that they went to, a lot of them and like other jobs. It was, it was crazy. But I thought that it was funny that the older people were coming to me, you know?

And but yeah, that was. How long did that go on? Let's see. Probably I want to say about a good year and a half. good solid year and a half I remember I feel bad saying this stuff but whenever I

the dude he took the eight ball that I my first eight ball that I got to make profit with not just to party with but I remember he showed me how to calibrate the scales and weigh it and he said you see this I'm going to give this to you I don't care what you do with this

I don't care if you do it all I don't care if you lose it I don't care if you throw it out the window as soon as you pull off he said but you better come back with such and such amount of money and it scared me but it excited me also right i can do that and i can have more for myself and i can charge whatever i what oh i think i can do this and so i thought okay this is i got the plan i'm the girl that's you know what i mean i was like okay i got it i got it because people were like when people were like you know exploring and experimenting on the weekends at like house parties like oh do you want to try

some coke do you know who can get it you know what i mean Like people are like asking around, they're wanting to try it out. You know, just being it's a lot of teenagers, they do. They want to at least try it, see what it's about. Well, I was going to say, it's funny how many people start off selling a little bit here and a little bit there just so that they can have, get their stuff for free. And before you know it, they're a full blown drug dealer. And then they get to the point where they realize, you know what I'm like I'm getting

what I need and I'm getting a little extra. If I pushed a little bit harder, I don't really have to have a job. Like at this point, I've been doing this for six months. Yeah. And I've got plenty of people asking me for it. And if I make a little bit of effort, this can be my full-time job. I've told almost every drug dealer I've spoken to has, that's how they started. Yeah.

Yeah. And eventually it's like it pays the bills, you know, you get the wholesale prices. It pays for itself tenfold. It sells itself. It just makes sense at the time, right? Right. You can't distribute this toxic substance that's destroying people's lives. It's going to, you're going to have to go down for it.

You're going to have to pay your taxes or you're going to have to pay your taxes or you're going to have to pay with time, one or the other. After 18 months, what happened? Whenever I got into the serious relationship, the first, like, toxic, like, hustler type of guy that I ended up moving out and, like, living with that really put me in the game, you know? He, like, kind of, like, molded my mind in a more criminal. away. And I was so in love, you know, you know how that goes. But so I was 19 years old were you 19. 19. Yes. And I was so in love. And me and my mom had an argument about him. And she was saying something that I'm sure was very much true about, you know, I have no business around him. He's, you know, he's trash. He's going to get you in truck. You know what I mean? Just she was telling me

everything that was true. But. Oh, you were saying, because that was a love. You don't know him. What is? He's not like that. Yes. I'm a hopeless romantic, okay, through and through. And the more toxic they are, I'm like, bring him here. You just, okay, so anyway, when my mom was talking bad about him, me defending him, okay, if there was any type of, like, going against anything that my mother said, she was very, she can be very combative and very much, I don't want to talk bad about my stepmom, but it's very much so, like, don't go against anything she says. Don't even look at her wrong or else you're out. You know what I mean? That's how it is. And so I had been thrown out multiple times since the age of 16 and that was really stressful and so I knew that like okay she's not going to play like it's you want to go against what she says you better start packing your bags and I had had enough I was getting ready to move out anyways you know and so I was like you know well screw it let me just go ahead and tell her what I think and and I knew everything so I just went ahead and was like okay this is my this is my drop the mic moment and I'm you know don't let the door hit me on the way out

so I got kicked out over defending him and then he's like well why don't you just move in here It just made sense. You know, it was like we had been, you know, consistently seeing each other. And it just evolved into a more serious situation. So I was 19 and he was 29. Yeah. At that age. Yeah, at that age.

You know what I mean? At that age, we should be doing very different things. And for me to be 29 and look at a 19 year old, I could never. Like, it just goes to show how, like, stunted his mind is or was to think that, okay well this is a feasible you know connection this is a feasible situation to where we can make this work like this child we're gonna we're gonna live together and play house everything's gonna be great you know and it's just like there's you should be doing and focusing on such different things I was actually in school and I wanted to I was interested in becoming a pediatrician

okay and like I was just doing like pursuing like a general AA and I just had like maybe a semester and a half under my belt. And I remember the day that I actually formally withdrew was the first time that my house got raided. And wait a second. So you were living with the guy. What's the guy's name? Steve, Brad. Let's just call him John Doe. Okay. Well, so you're living with John Doe. You're 19 years old. You're selling Coke to. No, this wasn't this wasn't Coke. This was whenever it was like the Roxy era, the pill mill. Okay, so you're selling, you know, prescriptive medication and your house gets rated. Did it get rated because of you or because of him?

You know what? Honestly, looking back, I believe that my mother might have tipped him off. Oh. I know. Yeah. All we know is that it was an anonymous call. Okay. But it could be a number of people.

And thank God that we didn't have anything that day. We were actually all out. We weren't hooked on anything yet. But so it was like they got like a bong, you know what I mean, like a little bit of it was stupid. It was pointless, but I'm so glad that there was nothing. But they still took him to jail. And I remember it was just so, oh, my God, it was so like, oh, my gosh.

And, you know, and like going to his plug and like telling him, this just happened. Like, what do I do? And it's just so naive. And then it's like, okay, so you're out on bond. You have this case. You got to pay for your lawyer. You've got to pay this, pay that. You got to hustle up the money.

right and so when you're trying to fight your case as a criminal you can't have any run-ins with a law or else you're going back and when you violate bond you're stuck in jail right so it's just this constant cycle until you just finally you can't there's no getting out and you're just going to prison right so through the time of our the scope of our relationship we got rated three times in a year and a half and yeah he ended up yeah we just neither of us had jobs well i did for a little while but like you know working is actually losing money when I could be instead of serving tables and my habit is way more expensive than what I was making serving tables and but I could be driving because I started out as a driver whenever I was 19 because I had no criminal history and so

it was perfect that I looked so innocent that they weren't going to search me if I got pulled over right so I drove for the plug down to south Florida one to three times a week for a good almost two years before we we swerved the plug and our you know the person that he worked for and got his you know supplies fronted and then he'd pay him you know and then so we went around him and got to the plug for ourselves right we had a big chunk of money saved up and we were like okay we're going to get rich and we it actually that situation worked for a little while we actually ended up living in a penthouse at a beach resort for a year so that was nice yeah just laying out every day just doing I think about it.

It actually worked out pretty well. Yeah. I mean, it was so great, right? Well, we lived there for a year. When we finally got raided, yeah, we had just spent the day before, I want to say like, maybe like $12,000, $500,000 at like $500, $500 a bottle. We spent $12,000 the day before we got rated. So it was a pretty big. And we had a package on the way that got there after they left.

But it was just, we were in deep and we were very much so hooked on, you know, our supply, which it's just all bad. How much are you making? I mean, what are you bringing in a month or a week or however you're calculating it? You know what? He actually handled all the money. So I can't really say, I can't speak for him, but I know that he, he kept around $20,000 in the safe. And, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pills.

To me, that was a lot at the time, right? And then it's just like, oh, that's funny. You know, that I thought that was a lot because I would go on to discover, you know. Well, I mean, at 19 or 20 years old, when you're basically able to make minimum wage or slightly above minimum wage, you know, just based on an honest job, you know, that that is an accomplishment. You're doing great. You're a baller. You're living in a penthouse and you can pay your car. You have plenty of money to go out to pay for your.

car note like something we didn't even grocery shop we might have had pop tarts in the house but we ate out every yeah it was just i never checked the prices on anything i just throw it in the cart you know and he would gas my car up and buy my cigarettes and pack my cigarettes he did everything for me and it he took care of me so well that i didn't understand the value of a dollar i didn't understand how expensive things had gotten and i remember when he got when the house got rated this last time and he couldn't get out i remember being surprised that how expensive things were, like getting like hygiene and stuff and like, dang, this cost this. This is hard to pay for. And it just became like plush, you know? So I don't. So he got

rated again. How did the cops come up to you during the raid? They just knock politely on the door. I'm, you know, I'm really glad that you ask that because this is an interesting story. And I, you know, it's so cool to see people like find the loophole and find the case law to be, you know, to, to, this average Joe is just taking down the law like, no, unhand me, you know, let me out. You know, open the gates. You know, it's crazy that you can just find the case law and you're like, wait a second, y'all got caught slipping, so you have to release me, don't you? So what's going on YouTube?

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All right, guys, see you soon at the end of the video. Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt. Okay, so what they did to get the search warrant was they did a free air sniff, right? So we had a lot of traffic in and out. And he would leave, it was a gated community at a beachers. sort. And so he would leave on bicycle and ride around all the different, you know, the touristy

areas, different locations. There was a McDonald's. There was a shopping center. There was different places. But he would try and like distribute the traffic. But there's only so much that you can do whenever you're having so many people come, sometimes multiple times a day because they have their own hustle going on. They have their habit. They need more. Without the pills, you get sick. You got to have it. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. Right. So some people would be there multiple times a day. And I remember in the discovery, one of the suspicions was a heating and cooling air conditioning truck coming in and out. They thought we were like hauling, you know, loads of drugs or whatever. That was one of the suspicions or whatever, but it was really just

a really strung out customer who just was a little too comfortable. But anyway, so they did a free air sniff with a canine outside our door. Now, keep in mind, as far as I know, canines can't smell pills, but I guess this one could. And so the K-9 alerted at our door, and so they got a search warrant, right? So he ended up doing 13 months in the county jail, which I, you know, I held it down for him, and I was there for him, and I wrote him and pictures and I care, just everything. I just had to prove that I was Bonnie, I was Bonnie to his clad, right? If I could just prove to him that I loved him, then things would work out, right? I didn't know any better. That was the only love that I knew. It was like a Stockholm syndrome. But yeah, I just, I took pride

in that and I was like, yes, I'm the best girlfriend ever. And I just I, it was my identity. So he's in jail the whole time. So yeah, he did 13 months in the county jail and he got released on. He paid, he paid an attorney. He paid an attorney like I think four or five thousand. And I remember him paying a thousand a week. And I couldn't believe that he could hustle up that money and pay the bills. Like I was like, oh my God. Like he was like scraping it up. And that was like, like very stressful for me to watch him do and I tried different things that try to help but I I got a job actually dancing and I danced for four days and I could not do it like I didn't have the the hustler mindset as far as that you know area of you know expertise or whatever I

didn't have it I just right I thought that I could just go look pretty on stage and they're going to make it rain you know but that wasn't the case anyway yeah much respect to the to the dancers all my exotic dancers and my entertainers out there because they got it going on and they're hustling and they're getting their money and they're saving it and they're legal they're putting it back you know what I'm saying like good for them I just didn't have it in me not at the time oh I'll go get a job dancing baby and I'm going to help you pay for the lawyer you know I had just I had it all figured out right right so what'd you do after that so I I was there for him and okay so I wasn't faithful but I was loyal right okay I was there for him I had his back I kept him in contact

everything that you could an inmate could receive from the outside world he got books photos letters you know phone calls anything that you can get I visitation everything and I was actually started smuggling in tobacco and weed for him too through the I would leave it in the gas flap of a work truck for the road crew and they would sneak it in and so everything that you can an inmate can get i supplied everything when you say that the loyalty thing i i remember i actually i think i've mentioned this before on i remember before i ever got in trouble and you know even though i think i was i was already doing some fraud or at least at least i'd done something because i just because it was in my mind i remember seeing a tv show from like the 1970s and this guy

was getting released from prison. And so he's in prison when, you know how opening credits? So the opening credits start and he's in, in his prison cell reading a book, whatever. And he's probably late 40s or something. So the prison guard comes and says, hey, you know, you know, Johnson, pack it up. And he's like, pack it up. He's like, what are you talking about? They're like, you're getting released.

He's like, getting released. I got six more months. And they're like, nah, you're early released. like we're releasing a bunch of people you know overcrowding he's like holy shit so he grabs his stuff throws his stuff together tries to use a pay phone and i remember this is back when they had quarters and so you could just hell had money in prison so it had to be in like the 70s so he's trying to you know go to the pay phone in the prison and they're like you don't have time get on the bus he's like damn it so he gets on his bus gets off the bus goes to use the pay phone at the bus station

can't do it there's a there's a there's a taxi there so he's like so he jumps in the taxi and he's trying to call his wife the whole time he's like no i got to call my wife got to call my wife so he gets into the taxi yeah wife i think pretty sure he said wife so gets in the taxi drives into new york city parks in front of the building walks in the front door gets in the elevator goes upstairs walks through the hallway goes the front door puts the key in goes and opens the door and he hears his wife say baby do you want some wine and he's got the door like whatever eight inches open and he stops and he can see some guy sitting at the table and she walks over and the guy says yeah yeah I'll take some wine and he's like that you first you can see the fury in his face

right and then he stops and you can see he thinks about it and he closes the door gets in the elevator goes downstairs walks across the street puts a quarter in the pay phone calls his wife and he says, hey, she's like, hey, baby, what are you doing? And he goes, wanted to let you know, they released me early. I'm in the city. But I didn't want to come home in case you wanted to clean up before I got there. And she could just hear like, she's like, yeah, I do need to clean up. He goes, how long do you need? She goes, give me 20 minutes. Give me 20. Is you sure? I can give you more. And she's like, no, no, 20 minutes. Give me 20 minutes. And he goes, okay. And she's like, I love you. And he's like, I love you too.

Hang hangs up the phone, stands at the pay phone. Ten minutes later, his wife comes out, the front door with the guy behind her. And she's dragging his, his, like his suitcase, drags the suitcase, throws in the back of a taxi. She's sitting there, he's sitting there, you know, crying and oh, my gosh. And what, what's happening? You could hear her screaming from across the, from across the street. She says, you knew what this was. You knew he was coming home.

it's over and when she walks off he waits to the taxi drives off waits a couple minutes goes in goes upstairs goes knocks on the door she opens the door gives him a big hug says i've made spaghetti i got spaghetti ready for you he goes and sits down to get some spaghetti and she says would you like some wine and he says yeah baby i'll have some wine and she walks over with the wine and that's it it's over and i remember watching that thinking that's the best you've got coming because if you think some chick's going to wait for you for a year or two or three or ten years you're fucking crazy but if she at least kind of holds it down yeah there when you're out like that's the best you've got coming so i never

got locked up like i never really expected a chick to you know remain you know whatever yeah i mean that's the best case scenario right that really is unfortunately you know that that is the best i mean especially with an American woman, you know, or and man in general. Because listen, most guys are just, they're just, they're going to be on. Yeah, especially with social media and everything. But if you just have. Yeah, anyway. I'm sorry.

But you were saying. It's important that we discuss these types of connections for context, right? Because this entire discussion that we're having is about, you know, the connection that I had and what I did to prove my connection. So, you know, you just get stuck on that one person and you can't let them go and you'll go to the ends of the world for them. Oh, I was, I was the best. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was Bonnie. I get starstruck by criminals. Like, like, like, you know, I would have on the posters of, you know, Al Capone and Scarface. Like, that's who, who I was excited about. That's who I

looked up to was the, you know, the masterminds, the criminals, the ones that figured it out, you know, the outlaws. Just, I just, it was fascinated me. It interested me. And I don't know. Just cast away from society and they figured it out. I just, I don't know. something just called to me and I could just relate and so yeah I like fan girl about like like I said George Young I wrote him and I was like jumping up and down I was like what 22 years old like jumping up and down that he wrote me back like any other girl is like whatever actor of the time is the it guy or whatever they're that's who they're fan girling about but I'm fan girling about the 60 something year old you know drug dealer you know what I really don't know

I know that he got released early for good behavior, like earlier than expected. I want to say he got out somewhere around and then like between 14 to 16 possibly. He got out early, but I don't know if he's dead or not, but he did write me back. It was like a pre-written fan mail response with like a picture of them. But he did have like where he signed it or whatever and put his a little message. And I remember the handwriting was so squiggly. and he actually hand wrote my name and address and I was just like oh my god George Young from blow Johnny Depp's character hand wrote my name read my letter like oh my god I just I so the boyfriend

gets out of jail he's you guys are paying you're paying your you're the lawyer every month or every week you're giving him a thousand dollars oh and then it's going to be more for trial it's going to be more for this and more for that you know what I mean and to file this um you know motion it's going to cost that you know and it's just but anyway yeah I think they only start charging more around trial and then they they charge for the motions after your sentence or whatever but you know you get what I'm trying to say but I know you're very detailed in your memory like you're describing the guy and this in the movie and I'm glad that you said that because we had a very dramatic whenever he got released it was very suddenly I did not expect it a girl gets lonely you

know. And we had this understanding that he wanted me to be honest with him about everything. So as long as he knew what I was doing where I was at, it was okay with it. As long as everyone knew that I was going back to him when he got out. That's who I was waiting for, right? I actually ended up getting his last name tattooed on my my butt cheek. We were engaged. I had an engagement ring. We were engaged. He was my fiancee, right? Never made a single, not near plan for a wedding, but we were engaged, right? So he got released. what happened. Okay, so I ended up meeting the guy who, like, really just, man, just his charisma and just the way that he would command a room and the fear and respect

that people had for this next boyfriend, it was just, I was, I was, like, hypnotized by him. Like, narcissists, alpha male, like, oh, I'll beat you down because I'm the strong one in, oh, you know, that's the type of guy he was. The guy that I was with previously, he was, very jealous, very controlling. He actually didn't like me to go home and visit my own family. The thing that I liked about the new guy, that I slowly, organically, you know, he groomed me into, okay, we're going to be in a relationship, you're going to be my main chick, blah, blah, you know, he was very much a predator. I mean, we, it was an abusive relationship. We stayed good friends. We're still good friends to this day. We're not on speaking terms at the moment.

This is the one that I was telling you about yesterday. He just got sentenced, a live sentence for Okay, so the boyfriend got out of jail. He got out of jail. He met the new guy already. Yes. And he knew that I was dating the new guy. And he flipped out when I mentioned his name. He said, please, I'm telling you, just get, you have to get away from him.

He's dangerous. He's going to do this. He's going to do this. He's going to do this. He said, I don't care if you're not with me anymore. You have to get away from him. And I was just like, oh, of course he's going to talk bad about him. He doesn't want me to be with him.

He must be go to him. You know, and I'm just, I'm tired of it. I'm tired of dealing with it. This situation was like, okay, well, you just got out. But guess what? I went and picked him up from jail. I got him a phone. I got him minutes whenever you had to go buy the minutes for the fire or by the car or whatever.

I took him to get groceries. I got him at a hotel room. I got him. I set him up for what he needed. And I was like, but this is where I leave you because I'm done with you treating me like, shit. I'm with this guy now and it's over. and he cried like a baby down at my feet and begged on his knees begged me to take him back and to be with him and it broke my heart to break his heart you know and I would actually like later on I would like cry for him because that had like I said that became my family and the person that I replaced the lack of connection with my family and parents my sister wouldn't at that time she wouldn't allow me to hug her and connect with her like I wanted to so I lacked connection with anyone And so that was really the closest connection that I'd ever had.

And so when things would go bad with this new boyfriend, I would cry for him. And like, I would just look out the window. I wouldn't tell him, but I would secretly, I'd be crying because I'm missing him, right? But I knew it was abusive. It was bad. This new guy, oh, man, he, his hustling ability just blew this last guy out of the water. It was still to this day, just absolutely just draw dropping, incredible. Like, money just flows to this man.

He's like an alien or something. He's something else. It's very different, a very different, you know, there's a few people that you meet in this life that you come across and you're just like fascinated by the way that they are intelligent, the way that they move in life is so different and just commanding. And that's just the path that their life took. You know what I mean?

And it's like, why does everything work out and you come out unscathed, rich? Like, how does, how do you even do this? Like, what do you mean? You did this, this and that. And there's just, I would hear stories, people telling stories about him, just like people gassed up and excited and, like, telling unbelievable stories. If you hadn't been to prison, I would not date you. That was one of my, that was one of my rules. That's so bad. That's a bad rule. That's the absolute worst rule you should have. Like, what was I thinking? Like, this was just leading up into the events that would take place, right?

So, and mind you, growing up, my dad would take me to the county jail to visit his, friend who whatever friend was in jail at the time my dad's never been arrested but he has for some reason a few friends that are just in and out for you know petty crimes but him taking me up to the county jail and i remember the first time i saw people at the visitors thing like like shoving an envelope under the door to someone who an orderly in the hallway and then like sneaking it and working it out and i was like that is interesting like i just thought that i'm in on They saw me watch that happen. And it was like we were all three in on it because I wasn't going to say anything.

But I knew, you know what I mean? I wasn't even going to say anything to my dad. But I was like, oh, okay. I don't know why. Why do these things fascinate me? Like, what is. So the new guy, what does he do? I mean, he's selling drugs.

He's, he's selling everything that makes money. Okay. So like a lot of the, the podcast that you've had, like the, the steroids. guys he was a big steroid guy well known for it he and he was so knowledgeable of everything that he sold that so it's like oh my gosh he's telling you all the health benefits of you know because a lot of guys that do steroids also like to do GHB and it's like oh well it does have health benefits so why not you know what I mean so it's just like he's really he could sell what ice to eskimo or how does that go you know just he and there's just something else he's just one of those people that you just your people are just like

Like, are you serious? Like, I just remember, like, he would go, we would go to like a Taco Bell and he would blow it up until the cops got called or something popped off. But people would get in and out of the back seat. What does that mean? He would, he would sell. He would sell to multiple people there to buy pills. They would be in and out of the backseat like a drive-thru. And he would blow it up.

He would meet multiple, as many people as he could until the cops got called. And I would sit there and I would fill up a grocery. bag full of money, a Walmart bag, full of money. And at one point, I helped them count out 180 grand. The amount of money began to increase and it made the old guy look like, you know what I mean? So I was just like, the more that people could make happen, it was just fascinating because there was better ways in people that were more connected and people that were more well established and better with money. It's just interesting to see how this whole underground subculture work. and it was just like hidden in plain sight, you know, and it was fascinating to me.

It was, it was just a normal way of life by then, you know, so you were, you were living with him? Where were you guys living? I was in hotels and I had gotten down to my last bit of money and I was like, I'm going to have to get a job dancing. I'm going to have to figure it out. I have no other way to generate money. And I was just like, listen, I just want to run it by you because I out of respect, but I'm going to go to this place and get a job because I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't know where I'm going to sleep tomorrow. Like just wanted to let you know out of respect.

And then he gave me the money to get an apartment. And so I wouldn't have to do that. Move in with him. After like maybe a couple weeks. Because hotels are expensive, right? Right. So why would he keep paying my house? You said, okay, so you said you were living in a hotel.

Yeah. You said that you were about to get kicked out and he gave you the money for an apartment. Why didn't you move in with him? in his apartment well he here's the thing he had just been released from prison and so he was with his mom he had like one of his trap girls like have like a safe house or whatever and he would just bounce around to other you know he didn't have like a main residence he just that was his that was how he stopped from getting caught was he bounced he moved around he was transient so you got an apartment yes got an apartment and i just couldn't believe that this guy's helping me like this

Like, I did nothing to help him. Like, why are you doing this? And he said, just help me when I'm down. Have my back when I've rhymed. And I was like, okay. Yes. I got you. You know, that was me.

Oh, I got you. Oh, have your back. I'm the one, you know? And so I wasn't just, you know, sitting around. I was, of course, helping, you know. And I would go and I would get like bags of Coke and I would weigh it up. And I remember trying to weigh it up as fast as I could and like timing myself and seeing how fast I could weigh up two ounces or whatever.

And I remember like just, it was like a game that I played with myself. But so that was just like I would bag up his stuff and like, you know, pick it up or whatever and help people. I wasn't like a dealer, but I would I would help out. You know what I mean? I pulled my weight. I cooked, I cleaned. I made a home everything. He was happy, right?

That's what I thought. But as you say, you're saying, I wasn't a dealer, but I was collecting the stuff, hiding the stuff, weighing the stuff, packaging the stuff. I feel like you're a part of the conspiracy, but that's fine. so anyway well i hadn't caught the hustle bug that's what he called it because later on i would and he would become my mentor what happens okay so mind you he's cheating on me the whole time it's a knockdown a drug dealer is not big facing not him not the narcissistic over you know not him oh it was horrible yeah so i guess he was trying to make up for lost time like he had all these sayings explaining and validating. Yeah, validating all of his actions and like what,

you know, this was for. And just he always had it figured out. And he was always one step ahead of me. But, you know, there was only so much that I could take. And it was knocked down, drag out fights. And it was bad. It got to the point where it's like, okay, I'm going to have to move away because either he's going to kill me or make me kill him. So what did you do? You found out he was cheating on you? Yeah, I found out that he had someone pregnant. Not only that, yeah, so that really hurt. And I was like, oh, it's over, you know, and so he, but he didn't want me to leave. And I remember him telling me, if you ever leave me, you're going to have to move away. And I just was like, oh, he's not playing. He's

serious. And he was serious because, you know, it got to a point where I wasn't safe anywhere because he was going to find me and he was going to drag me out by my hair, you know, like no one's safe. Everyone's afraid of him. There's nowhere to hide. You know, so I actually ended up in a battered women's shelter a couple times because it wasn't safe at my parents' house. And it just got really, like, serious. So at one point, I, you know, I called my aunt who hadn't seen since I was like 12. And I said, can I please come live with you? I'm in a bad situation. I need help. I want to turn my life around. Please help me. God bless her. Yes, God bless her. Aunt Cheryl, I love you. She's done nothing but try and help me so many times. And of course,

she took me right in. And I had all the best intentions. But, you know, she got me a job working at the old folks home and and I had my little scrubs and she helped me get a car and like everything was I meant well right but that didn't last very long no that was whenever I wrote George young and also bored let me write this this dealer from blow you know tell him how great he is and hey I'm just this little girl bored girl you know he's probably like what is this little girl anyway I just thought he deserved a letter because he never told you know what I mean like he was a stand-up guy he wasn't he wasn't i know i know my the boyfriend he was the one who would say that oh i never told he was one of the people that would talk like that but he's he'll come to find out he'll throw anyone

under the bus if he can he just never could in any of his cases right right but anyway he comes back tells he loves you he misses you he's trying to persuade me to come back right but i'm determined to tell him no but i liked that he was still asking like oh he's still loves me but I know I we're going to kill each other so that'll that'll hinder a relationship that'll get in the way anyway so yeah now rewind back one of the times I was with my sister and it was like a spring break vibe and my sister just knew everyone because she was out everywhere always partying well-known pretty cool and we ran into one of her friends at a gas station and I would later find out that he said oh who's that I said I'm gonna I'm gonna fucking marry her one day like

He was determined, and I was so flattered that he said that the first time he saw me or whatever. But this guy who was just insisting on my sister to introduce us, I had gotten back in touch with him. He had friends get in touch with me through social media while he was in prison. This guy was actually from Louisiana on the run at the time in Florida. He's escaped. I don't even know how many times. Like, I want to say five or six times, but it's probably more. So what happened?

The guy. Okay. So you obviously get back with. with the new guy. What's the new guy's name? There's an article about him. What's his name? Yes, Jeremiah.

Jeremiah. What is? That sounds like a good Jewish boy's name. But anyway, it's clearly. No, his middle name's Eugene. So it's, and he used to go, that was one of his aliases.

But no, well, I'll just say Jeremiah Beasley. It was like a like an outlaw. Like it's reminded me of like a, like a cowboy, like an outlaw cowboy's name. It just,

that name just fit in. Jeremiah, I guess it does sound kind of cowboyish too. Yeah. Yeah. So Jeremiah, he wouldn't mind me saying his name or whatever. There's an article. I mean, there's a, there's what? Oh, yeah, it's public record. Well, this isn't the one that escaped, but that was the one that just like, that was the one that got me away from the first one, right? But the guy, Stephen, that saw me at the gas station,

he became my moral support over the phone while he was in prison. Now, you know, guys will do this. There'll be there for you. They'll be whatever you need to be. They'll listen. Right. You know, just the whole were just, no, no. No, I just want to be friends. Yeah, I'm here for you. I'll listen to you. Can you send me some money for some tuna? Waiting for a chink in the armor.

But yeah. No, in a lot of ways, it does fill a void for them too. I mean, I feel like, you know, whatever. But, you know, they're locked up. They need somebody to coffee. Yeah. So he, I just kind of leaned on him. And one thing led to another.

And he was just such, oh, now this guy was the ultimate con artist. Like, I must say that he didn't have plans to back up his lies, but when he was telling a lie, you believed it. And like I said, he's the one who's escaped so many times. And, like, it's his ability to get out of where he's at is like Houdini. He grew up in, like, the, you know, the rough parts of Baton Rouge. And they're different over there. And, you know, he had, oh, my God, he had the gold teeth and the face tattoos. And I was just like, oh, love it.

loved it and so stupid now I'm like oh no no no no I've dated you go away if I ever get approached by those types of I'm sorry y'all but I just no no I need someone with 401k and health insurance but no I'm trying to have those things for myself these days but those are the things that the good qualities of you know oh well that's a good quality to have if you don't have a retirement plan or a five year plan I won't date you that's my thing you know what I mean Like, you got to have a career down. You got to be established. You know, I've become a little bit wiser.

I'm trying. But so, yeah, I had a lot of time to sit around and think of, where did I go wrong? How did I end up here? Yeah. So the boyfriend, the boy, the. Eden is the one that I would end up doing the, the break with. And a lot of people say, oh, what? You picked him up from work release?

Oh, no, no. We broke him out of maximum security prison. What? How did you all do that? Oh, my God. right now you're you've broken up with a boyfriend yes and I'm leaning on the the support of the guy in Louisiana right you're working at the old folks home yep bored do you go back to no no okay I thought that I thought this was the guy that okay but anyway yeah you so that was the one that I was just like that was the one that fascinated me with his criminal activity and his you know what I mean like that was like oh wow the last one didn't know nothing but anyway the guy stephen is the one that he just kind of like veered off it was a very he was a very much a con artist though and i i have love for him i wish the best for him i can't recently

get a hold of him but i've spoken to him you know quite recently i want to say within the last six months or so i've spoken to him he was a very he was a con artist he was a good escape artist he was you know good at whatever he did but he whenever we would talk about the time that he had left, he had never really gave me a straight answer. And I know he was getting shipped around for court dates. And I just kind of, I noticed it, but I swept it under the rug because I was too naive to be like, wait, I asked you a question. I want an answer. If I'm doing this, this and that for you, I deserve the truth, right? Like, no, I didn't know how to stand up for myself. I just did what I was told. That was the best way to be. If, you know, if they got angry

with me for whatever, then I just, oh, I just wanted to appease them and make sure they weren't mad at me and just do whatever, you know, do it out, obey or whatever. And, you know, anyways, I'm like, oh, I wish a motherfucker would now. Like, don't even look at me wrong, okay? You're so going to be gone. Like, I remember just being stressed out. I was bored in this, like, it was a Tuscaloosa in Alabama, and I wasn't a college student. And it was just like, oh, it was just, like, so slow pace and just, my aunt was so overbearing. My parents. parents, obviously, were never overbearing. They've never, like, told me not to do something and not to wear something.

There was a dress code living at my aunt's house. And I was like, I can't wear spaghetti straw. Like, what? Like that, oh, no, I was going to figure out a way to leave that place and go back to some type of fast lifestyle, right? But I definitely didn't want. When did that happen? Well, okay, so I remember being stressed out about something.

And I was on the phone with Stephen and crying about it. And he was like, oh, you want me to, you want me to get home sooner? Okay, well, I'll see you in such and such. And I'm like, wait, why would you say that? Like, you told me you had such and such amount of time. If you can be out sooner, why wouldn't you get out sooner? I don't understand. Like, why wouldn't you try harder?

Like, what do you mean? I'm waiting on this sooner release date, right, to come up so I can go and, like, have my fast, interesting, you know, life that's fascinating and fun and we're getting away with stuff and it's cool or you know whatever I was thinking it was going to be just whatever lies he was telling me all this money he was going to be making and you know he sold me the dream and I bought it and so it was something to look forward to and so here's the thing he one day he said okay here's the deal I'm going to need your help because such and such got hurt last night trying to do it and so we can't use him so I'm going to need your help this is a deal he broke it down

he's like I need you to do this this and this to aid and escape and I'm like oh Have you ever met this guy in person? One time. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Awesome love. He was very convincing.

We built our rapport, okay? I was going to say. And we just built this relationship and he was, I leaned on him. Like I said, I lacked the connection with other people, right? So that was who I just leaned into and I just would obsess with and devote myself too. I was just so toxic. Okay. All this time should have been pouring into myself, devoting to myself, building myself up and working, you know, investing in myself, my education, my knowledge, my skill set. I get it. I get it. What did he ask you to do? So he asked me to help

with part of the process of cutting some fences with bolt cutters. Holy shit. Yeah. Okay. Good. Sorry. What state is this? We're still in Florida? Louisiana. Okay. He's locked up in Louisiana where he's from. Where are you living? I'm living in Alabama. Okay. So whenever my...

They border each other, right? Yeah. A little tri-state area, kind of. Yeah. Yeah, just skip over Alabama and Mississippi. Just hop-skipping a jump away, right? I think it was like a seven-and-a-half-hour driver, nine and a half-hour. With a pair of bolt cutters.

Yeah, bolt cutters in the back. Anyway, they say I'm good with a set of bolt cutter. So yeah. With him explaining this to me, he's like, okay, so such and such got hurt. He couldn't do it. It fell through. I'm going to need you to do it. And if you don't come through, then the only person we can blame it on is you. Basically, he like manipulated me into saying, okay, well, you want me to get out. You got to come get me. And if you don't come through, then it's your own fault. You know what I mean? He just like used my devotion against me to manipulate me into doing his bidding, right? And I really honestly, like, I think he was facing like a 10-year sentence. And in Louisiana, you do 35%. So he really would have less than four years to do. And then think about like the GED and the classes and stuff, you can take and get time. There's so much little time that he would have to do.

But oh, no, he had to get to me, right? Because he couldn't lose me. And I needed him. And we were in love. You know what? I was just all about taking a leap of faith and just going for it. You know, I would just do anything, go anywhere. Like, I was just.

So you grab the, you go to Home Depot. you pick up a pair of bolt cutters, you jump into your Chevy, and you drive for seven and a half hours. So here's the thing. When my aunt was shopping for the car that she put a lien on for me to get, pay her, whatever, he's like, make sure that you get a car where we can crawl into the trunk from the back seat. Okay, cool. Gotcha. So this is like a little, like, a couple weeks process. I think I had a couple weeks.

And I went and got the, I needed Alon wrenches. And he said, I'm not sure if it's this size or this size. So I need you to get three sizes. The size I think it is, the size above, the size is below, just to be safe. Okay, gotcha. Okay, I need to get a hands-free headset so I can be on the phone while I'm doing whatever I'm doing. I don't need to be holding a phone to my ear because I need my hands. I need all black clothes.

Like, it was, you know, the way we were all black for the big jobs. It was a big job. And I feel like it was pretty sophisticated. And I was just like taking instructions. I was going to do it. I'm probably going to go to prison, but who cares? like as far as I was concerned this was my life

and prison is just a part of it so it's not a question of if you're going it's when and how long so I was cool I mean like everyone that I knew had been in and out I'm only going to get a little bit of time whatever whatever it's cool you know I talked to three different people and I say

okay well I'm going to do this we bond me out if I if and when I get caught these people were going to come together with the money like it was at least I can bond out and fight the case from being outside before I have to go. So I knew I was going to go to prison for it. I was just like, all right, we're Bonnie and Clyde, right? So we got this. And so yeah, because of the connections that I made, I knew a few people that I could ask that they could put something together.

So I thought. But anyway, you know, I didn't look into it as deeply as I maybe should have. But apparently, you know, assisting escape is frowned upon very much so. You know, I just didn't really look too deeply into it. But anyway, okay, so I got I got the bolt cutters. I got the all on wrenches. And I just remember thinking, like, I had my hospital scrubs on and I was standing in line to buy tools to break someone out of prison. And I was just like, no one has any idea what I'm buying this stuff for. And this is funny. And they have no idea. And I was just thought, I was like, this is cool. What I'm doing right now. Like, this is so, it was surreal is what it was. And it was just interesting feeling. And you feel like you could see, you could see the movie scene and playing in your head. Yeah, I can see the movie. You're in the moment. You're so in the moment. You're living a life outside of the norm.

I just thought it was great that we're like, we're not doing time. We're leaving. We're out of here. Who's coming with us? You know, like it was cool to me because I have known a lot of, you know, men that were in that lifestyle and in that, you know, area of life. And it's just like you heard about escapes,

but you never actually thought about doing it. Like you never, a lot of people's minds don't go there because it's not worth it. You're going to get caught. You're going to get killed. Whatever's going to happen. You don't even go there. I never did.

But this guy's mind did. Okay. So you got the stuff. You got the stuff. I hopped in a car, drove on down to good old Louisiana. And I never been there before. And I drove straight to the prison. And I remember I only had a limited amount of times that I could drive past the prison before it would look suspicious.

But I was trying to figure out where to enter. the property, what would be the best location to enter where I needed to go to the rec yard area without being detected. It was like a moat of like trees and swamps around this prison and it's like where, how do I get back through there? And I just had like casing the joint, I had a limited amount of times to drive past where I'm just going to have to make a wild, you know, guess and go for it. And if that doesn't work, I'm going to have to go back to my car and regroup. I tried to go through the trees to get to like okay so when there's like a clearing the watch towers which I saw like flashing lights like a TV was playing someone had like a little portable

TV to where there's someone up there and they're watching you know what I mean like you're going to be detected when you're having to run a football yard's length with no cover it doesn't matter if you're wearing all black they're going to see you that's what I'm thinking right so you can only like use the the shadow of the trees for so many areas before you're going to have to just make a run for it. And it's like, okay, if I'm getting, they see me, they see me. If not, yeah, I'm sure there's a amount of luck to it because they've cleared the trees back from, you know, they've got them cleared back from the fence.

It's not like the trees go right up to where the fences are. They've got what you're saying, you're saying a football link. But let's say, even if it's 100, even if it's 100 feet, it doesn't matter. The people in the watch hour certainly have a chance to see you. Yes, yes. But they're most likely, they're most likely kicked back in. the chair watching TV and never look out the window yeah no one no one would be that crazy to do that right how rare would that happen like you're not thinking that on a typical night it's boring it's

uneventful it's the same routine you know what i mean like everyone's asleep who cares and they'd have to be constantly looking out the window they're just not they're not they're not so yeah but also just random officers outside smoking a cigarette talking to each other like you could be seen there's many different opportunities for you to be seen and it's very nerve-wracking very dangerous very high stakes it's like okay this this is do or die this is here it goes this is all or nothing and i remember like i remember him telling me like with his louisiana accent like just belly crawl on your just belly crawl on your stomach like an alligator and i'm like okay with my headset on

like okay and i'm doing this but so the first it would take two nights right So the first night, he needed me to put the out on wrenches. He told me, okay, this is funny. He told me to put the all on renches into a Snickers bar because he needed the wrenches to get out on the second night, right? That's whenever I was going to leave with him. So he said, show him into a Snickers bar because he needed it to be in something that was weighted that he could find it in the rec yard easily, right?

And I'm like, well, what if someone picks it up and eats it? He's like, take it out of the rapper, idiot. I thought he wanted me to leave it in a whole Snickers bar and throw the Snickers bar. And he couldn't believe it. that I thought that. But I was like, oh, okay. But anyway, yeah, so no one's going to want to eat like an open soggy. Yeah. But yeah, so that was what I did. And I can't remember. I know that the first attempt to get through the trees, I remember I got so, the trees got so dense and like scratching me up so badly that I remember I was just in sheer panic and unable to move any further. I

couldn't. I was all scraped up. I was terrified. My phone was down. Like, I couldn't go any further. And I didn't know how I was going to get back out. And I had to go to the car and like, like, calm myself down. Because I didn't want to run through all that open space. If I could get through the trees, right? But they just, they were way thicker and more dense that I, you know, I couldn't get through them. And I couldn't figure out the, there was like, like, like, what I would find out later was like farm, like, where they kept cattle later on. But I didn't know how to get back to those places to get through there. So I was like, I'm just going to have to go this long way in front of everyone where everyone might see me and hope for the best. So that's what I did. So the, I threw the, I had the stickers bar. He came, went out to wreck, got him, went inside. He had gotten. So you, so just to paint the picture, you walked up to the fence. The wreckyard. In sight of the tower. I need, I need like a diagram so I can draw it for you like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. Well, I mean, I understand because I've been in the way out of prison.

Okay. So you walk up and you chuck it over, you, you throw it over the fence. How many fences? One. It was two fences. Two. That's what I thought. So there's two fences.

Aren't they, aren't, did they have the motion detectors on them or just, just the barbed wire? I don't know if they had, I'm guessing they didn't have motion detectors because we were. I mean, that's a federal. It depends on. Okay. Not everybody does that. A lot of them think, hey, we've got, we've got razor wire, multiple fences and we've got a guard tower and there's guards when there's inmates there

there's guards there so they feel like they've got it covered and Louisiana is very laxadaisical on their upkeep their maintenance there compared to Florida Florida is on point okay they are by the book you know well this is I mean I've been in federal prisons like they're in federal prisons there they have tons of money so they can you know they've got you're not getting out of a you're just not getting out of a federal prison unless you walk it, unless you're in a camp. So you throw it over. And then when he goes out the next day to wreck,

he goes out like he's jogging or walking the track. And he just kind of looks around and he sees it and he grabs it. Man, he got, yeah. Yeah. So he had his final tool that he needed because he had two other keys. He had like a certain amount of doors to get through. One of them he had someone order a key on eBay and get into him because they're very laxidaisical about bringing food and visitation, stuff like that.

You could just bring food. for them to eat and stuff like that they could wear street clothes like it was so yeah that's crazy it's so it's like lawless it's so crazy how lenient their rules are and they're it's like a prison back in the 1960s or 70s yeah this place was being ran like a hotel and honestly like this escape got this I'm sorry for anyone who I may have cost their jobs it was very irresponsible like truly I'm so wrong I'm so sorry for anyone that I may have cost who's trying to provide for their family you know I don't have a problem my god I'm sure they'll fine so what so they'll be shut down but what happened sorry yeah so he he like drugged one guard and stole

the sorry he drugged one guard and stole the keys like he drugged the guard yeah this is what he said wow there's no telling there's no telling what's true and what's not but he got them somehow now this guy would I'm really involved in this yeah he stabbed someone in the face for a phone I know horrible over. No. Go ahead. Come on. Go ahead.

He stopped someone in the face for a cell phone. So he's ruthless. He's cut through. He's going to do whatever he has to do to make happen what he wants. Like, he does not care. He drugs a guard. He gets through how many doors using the Allen wrenches? I think he had three doors to get through.

He just to get one door, like remove a door. And he had a key brought into him and a key that he stole. It's crazy that he could even, like, like fabricate and make this happen. It's crazy. He had the whole dorm on his side thinking that he was going to, I was dropping off a, like a bomb or whatever for the pod and that everyone was going to be eaten, you know, so and he was going to be right back, right? With the bomb. So everyone's like, okay, yeah, we're going to be, we're going to have, we're going to be set. We're going to have all this. Everyone's going to be eat. We're good. He had people covering for him and stuff. So yeah,

he's convincing. He's real convincing. The second night, he, okay, so I remember, whenever I was cutting through the fences, I would have to cut through not one but two fences. So I actually broke into the prison to get him out, right? And that was just crazy to me. Like, I didn't take into consideration how loud. I didn't practice like cutting a fence beforehand, but how loud it was going to be and how difficult it would be to cut the holes. But I just cut one slit because I figure you can push one side, pull one side,

because he brought a friend with him, of course. And so if he can't get through the hole, the other guy can help him, whatever. they'll figure it out. This is the best I can do. I'm not going to cause, you know, if I don't have to, you know, lose my freedom doing this and I can get them out, I'm going to do the least amount of damage or, you know, take the least amount of time that I can, whatever, you get what I'm trying to say. So I can't get it the words out. There's too much. It's intense right now. So yeah, it was a rush. It was so exciting. It was just like, you're in the moment. Like at one point, I was like laying on my side like this between the fences like, okay, come on, like waiting. and he wouldn't answer. I had bad service. And so I'm like, well, I'm just going to have to go get to a safe spot because I can't wait here for any longer. This is stupid. So I got up and I, you know, I waited in the shadows far away, safe. Oh, and I forgot the first night when I ran back through the farms where they had the cattle, this is like where it's like a movie, right? So I'm thinking whenever I'm like scoping the scene and seeing what I have to do to get out that way because I'm not running back

where I ran through to begin with. That's a suicide mission, right? That is way too risking it. I'm going to run out that way. I don't know what's over there, but I'm going that way. So I'm thinking that's a field. It's just like a grassy field, right? No, it's a lake. Guess we ran into a lake. Okay.

Me? I had to, like, sit down and, like, dump the water out of my shoes. Like, oh, okay, cool. It's freezing cold at night. Dump. So I walk around the lake, and I proceed to the cow farms. And I didn't realize that I was in, like, you know, a cow field until I heard a cow, like, right next to me like like like moo in my ear I was like oh my god it was so scary and

crazy I was just tripping over stuff and running and jumping fences and I was exhausted so I like climbed to the top and fall and I was soaking wet and I actually ran into an electric fence and got electrocuted I like to drop down to my knee and I was like oh I'm dirty is this the first day or the second first or second okay oh the second night I knew you know I knew like the back of my hand I was clean I was dry I'm trying to think of when, which night did I throw the bolt cutters into the lake. But I basically made the, the second trip easier on myself and less dangerous of getting caught, right? So I mapped it out.

I figured out where the entrance, where to go around, I figured out how to avoid the electric fence. You know what I mean? Like, let's go around that because that about, about all soaking wet and I got electric. And, you know, water and electricity, they just. Yeah. You know, it was like me and Stephen. And, you know, it's like, oh, it's a bad idea. So you go back, you cut the fence, you realize you can't lay there anymore.

Yeah. So what, you go back to the tree line and just stand by the tree line and wait? Yeah. Does he have any clue that this has been done and you're waiting for him? Yeah, well, I get the idea that he's gotten the message or, you know, he's just on his way out, whatever. He made it out within a reasonable amount of time, right? I remember him, the two of them running up to me and we were yelling for each other, but we were just too far apart to hear each other.

guess, but they made it to me. And I just remember us, like, finally, like, being face-to-face and meeting and hugging. And it was like, that was like, I really didn't even know this guy, but it was great. It was great as I hoped it would be. You know, the connection, it wasn't awkward. It wasn't weird. It was cool. It was good. And I was so glad that I did it and he was so happy. So, yeah, we got in the car. We went. And they, oh, they had a nice, they had a tour guide to help them out of the, you know, the marshes and the grassy knolls and the cattle farms. They didn't have to get electrocuted or soaking way or running lakes. How nice is me.

You know, I just like catered the way. Good thing that I, you know, made all the mistakes so they wouldn't have to, right? I would actually end up trading my freedom for his. I just, I was so in love, right? I just had to, had to prove my love. We got in the car and we drove and we drove and we drove and we drove and we drove. And we didn't have a plan. We didn't know what we were doing.

Everything just went to shit, fell through, wasn't working. He planned all this out step by step. He didn't have a plan on where to go. He probably didn't get that far. He's probably like, I'll figure it out if we even get this. Yeah. Yeah. So he last time he escaped, he escaped for about a year and a half, I think. And he made things happen. He ended up with his own like townhouse and car just he created a

life to where it was livable. It was doable, you know, but he still, it's when you're on the run, you're looking over your shoulder, you're lying about who you are it's you know it's stressful but that's what they say anyway rumor has it where'd you guys go we ended up going we went towards like florida and we just kept going we ended up going to panama city and like every situation that we would try it just wouldn't work you know like we tried sleeping in like abandoned houses or you know just unoccupied house or like getting into whatever we could get into breaking into a hotel or whatever we could figure out And we actually one night stayed at in someone's camper at a campsite and told him all we all had fake names.

We all like hung out and were nice to him and he took us in and like fed us and like I remember we were like drinking and smoking weed one night. We all had aliases and we had this story. It was just it was crazy. Has this hit the like the local news? Did that come out and they said, hey, we're missing an inmate or two. We're missing through inmates. Yeah. So I think it took them about 12 hours.

maybe even longer to find them, them missing. And all those guys in the unit, they never got their, their, you know, their big casserole or palm or whatever, yeah. Casserol. Yeah. Well, you know, that's really what it is, right? It's a big, you're going to bring them a bunch of food, right? That's, you know, so go ahead.

They never got to eat. But they actually, I remember him being on the phone with them because he left his cell phone for them. And they were like, oh, man, you got us good, but we're happy for you. You know what I mean? Like it goes like that. But idiot, staying on the phone with them and. Anyways, oh, ho, ha, I'm out and you're not. Like, come on.

God, it's ridiculous. Like, come on. All of us were just idiots. But I broke someone out of the maximum security prison. Pretty much single-handedly. It's something to tell the grandkids. Yeah, that's what I would say. That's what I would say, you know?

Oh, well, you know, good old days. So you kept going. Where did you end up? What happened? I mean, we're just going to keep. Yeah. So the marshals kicked in the doors at my aunt's house in Alabama. They just like barge. I know. Yeah, I just told her before I left Alabama. I said I'm the I'm wanted some stuff that I can't undo. I got to go. I'm not staying here getting arrested. I'm going on the run. I'm sorry. I love you. I can't go back now. I'm sorry. Never should have helped you. Never should have brought you in. I never should have got you that job. So anyway. I'm sorry.

Cheryl, I love you. Anyways, darn kids, the rock and roll music. Anyway. So yeah, we just kept going. And, you know, any resource that we could extend to, we just took a hold up. We just trying to make stuff happen and it just, we only lasted five days out. And I remember my dad on the phone with me, like my, I was such, why would I have the same number? Why?

Who does that? So you're walking around with the same. phone number you kept your phone number well okay so so what did your dad say first of how did they even get to your aunts how do they even know you were involved he left all the mail that I had sent him and they had pictures of me they had oh it's her it's got she's got something to do with it this is his main contact like okay they just figured it out you know the feds they're very resourceful and I mean there's a yeah yeah for for people like us doing things like that it becomes a hindrance you

No, they just, they just get right up under your skin. They ruin the plan. But, you know, and there's a lot of things that they're missing, but some of the things that they do get, you're like, oh, my God, I can give you credit for that. They don't have to get that much. Yeah. They can be wrong. You know, they can be wrong over and they only have to be right once.

Mm-hmm. And then you're just done. Yeah. So they go to your dad. What did your dad say when he called you? So he said, baby, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, he's, see, by this time, he's like, basically used to the way me and my sister were.

And he's like, the feds were here. They're coming for you. I mean, they're going to come arrest you. So just letting you know, I'm sorry, dad. You know, dad, I'm sorry. Daddy tried, you know. Daddy tried. But he wouldn't tell on me, but he wouldn't, you know, wouldn't help me.

But he refused to enable my criminal behavior. Yes, my what, assisting escape in aiding and abetting, fugitive of the law. He wouldn't help me. Like, dad. Right. You know, glad. Anyway. So, yeah, we ended up getting like a whole like SWAT team got us at a hotel that we were at.

And they triangulated. Ping your phone or, I mean, they just tracked it. Yeah. And I noticed that it got really hot at a certain point. And we, earlier that day, it got like, he threw it up against a tree and like just, you know, just destroyed it. And I guess they just were going around. hotels and just looking for us and they just were just combing the place with a fine tooth comb and they were going to find us and they knock did they knock on the door and say hey you guys excuse me

I remember at one point like I remember them banging on the door and I'm I'm like leaning up against it holding my hand and he's like about to try and jump off on the balcony and I'm like they're coming this this is it you know and like why was I'm not trying to get away I'm holding the door like I got them I'll hold them off you go you know like come on it's ridiculous like really like I'm going to hold all the battering ram off with my little self anyway so yeah I knew this was coming so I wasn't really too upset and I remember like I thought I was so funny whenever they were bringing me out and they're just everyone was like it was like a crowd that was like watching like they all know who I was they knew you know what I mean so it was just like

oh all this for me little old me and I was like wait because people they were taking photos I was like, can I please fix my hair? Because I had like a little sidebrae. Can I fix my hair? Please? And like just cracking jokes, you know, like it was funny. But so the least I can do is just try to get a laugh, you know? And I actually planned out if and when I got incarcerated to have my, my credit card numbers written down in the information so that I could give my contact on the phone the numbers so they could use my card to put money on my books. Right. So I was like, okay, I'm good. I got I'm not going to have to go without money as soon as I get you know and took I need a bubble sheet let me get my you know what I mean commissary yeah let me I need a bubble sheet when when do you all turn in bubble sheet like what like I had it down like I was playing I was not going to go without that's for sure so I was at least going to be comfortable I was going to do my little time get out and then I was going to it's like a ride of passage like okay I did my prison with my first prison bid like what's up what what's next so they grab all of you yeah the three of us and i remember i was just tired and they took us to jacksonville county jail

duval county jail which is way like strict and like just it's it's the strictest out of any jail that i've ever been to it's no photos no music no rec yard it's the rec yard is three levels up and there's like you can see the air or you can see like this the partial sky another place you could see the air. It's like you don't even get like green grass or anything like or open space. It's just Duval County is just it's a low security. Like you can walk freely from one place to the next without being escorted, which I thought was weird.

But it was just so enclosed and hard to escape or so it seemed. So I had to wait a couple days for first appearance. And I remember him telling me, okay, I'm going to make a sick call. And so I'll meet you at such and such. And I'm like, just shut up. I don't want to hear it. This is your fault. This is stupid.

We made it for how many days? This sucks. I don't want to hear it. This is ridiculous. This is really. I don't know why I even did. Like, I was just pissed off, irritated. I want my shower.

I want my bed. I'm ready to have a break because it was stressful. I was tired the whole time. I was just exhausted from it. You're not in love anymore? Still in love? I was. I was just irritated.

You know, like I was mad about how long we had out. And we were fighting a lot. It was just crazy and controlling and I was just done with it. You know, like, it was just, I was mad about how long we were out. You know, I wanted to have, like, whole life on the run. Oh, my God. That's ridiculous. Listen, what do you say?

So, public defender? Well, no one really stuck out to me in, in Duval County, besides first appearance, only me and the other guy showed up. We're like, what? Where's, where's Steve? even like, oh, he had charges in Panama City, so they shipped him over there. And he was like, I remember whenever I was like, whatever, I want my shower. I want to go to bed.

He's like, well, I'm getting out again. I mean, y'all do what you want. He's just going to keep. Yeah, he's like, I'm hitting back out. And I was like, whatever. Like, I was just like, that's so stupid. Like, come on. I was like, well, first of all, what he seems to know really how to do is break out

a prison. He doesn't know how to survive in the real world. That seems to be an issue. Like he maybe if he spent a few months just kind of figuring out what's the next step if I get outside of the fence, you wouldn't have to continually break out. Right. But, but anyway, whatever. I, I hear you need some money, some funds, some plans, you know what I mean? Some people fall back on.

You can't just screw everyone over and not have anyone to turn to, right? Well, I mean, here's what I don't understand. Like, like, what about money? Like, did he think about, you know, like if you're already a criminal, you've already broken out, you're already wanted. Like, why don't go ahead and just rob a bank or something? I mean, we were talking about it. We were talking about it. I would just, I would have been willing to do it.

So my God. Okay. So, so what happened? So what happened then? So. So got you. I got you, baby. I got you.

Something's not right. So what happened? So yeah. So they told us that he had other charges that he had to go. go see about. Anyway, so I ended up getting shipped to Louisiana after about two and a half weeks. And because of my charges, like the like the biggest, baddest, most popular girl in jail, she's, oh, that's awesome. She took me under her wing. She helped me out. I'll never forget her. Like I'm getting the chills right now. Like just the thing she told me, the thing she said to me, she was, she was in there for home invasion. She was a crack dealer. And she was like the godmother. She was in there for home invading crack dealer with words of wisdom. Okay. I hear you. She had glasses, and she was just like, you got to write me and da-da-da-da-da-da. And she got all my commissary for me so I could have my money whenever I got to my home base in

Louisiana. How sweet was that? She got me all my hygines and food and, like, fed me, like, looked out like, oh, that's so sweet. She's like, just write me, just stay in touch with me. She was so sweet and cool. Everyone just loved her. People just gravitated to her. And she was so charismatic and good.

And I'll never, her name's Alicia Hoffman. I need to look her up. but I'm pretty sure she got a life sentence, but it was like multiple home invasions that she had been in trouble for. You know, they get real touchy about those, but, you know, home invasions or whatever. They're taking her so seriously. Yeah. She was, she was the crack dealer with the heart of gold, you know? The words of wisdom.

But. Dealer with a heart of gold. She looked out for me and she didn't have to and it was a scary place and to have her, like, you know, that was cool. I was just saying, when did you find out what you were facing? Like, what was that? conversation with your lawyer like what did you think you were facing i knew that it could be anywhere from probation to a good handful of years i was like okay i'll figure it out you know i think the most i saw on i almost got away with it was like eight years for accomplices you know what i mean so

i didn't actually get my first plea offer until okay so i went in i want to say somewhere around october november and i didn't have louisiana that's so backed up with their court appearances and they're I didn't go to first appearance or arraignment in Florida it's like boom boom boom you know within the first few days of being there you have to have those Louisiana they said okay well we'll see you next year if you don't want to make your statement or whatever we'll see you next year I'm like whatever you know during interrogation they're just trying to scare me see you next year it's it's November okay I did not get seen until like February so I'm like okay by the time I see them I'm like okay maybe

we could figure something out like it's cold it's flooding you know like it literally flooded in my my parish because its parish is there it was so ghetto and gross and nasty in these places it was harsh living conditions the coldness would would get you take me maybe an hour each day to mop up the flooded water in in the parish so that i could have my little walking track because that's what i did i walked a paste for hours and hours every day that was my thing well you know i believe i'm undiagnosed autistic but pacing that was my that was my thing like that was what i loved it it was i loved it so crazy though yeah for hours i sometimes for like four to six hours a day i would pace and i just built up my endurance and my stamina and it's just like it hey had me feeling

you know so what was the what was the offer the first offer was six years oh shit yeah oh but let me back up let me back up okay so when whenever I got shipped to Louisiana, okay, so I now have an escape charge, right? So it's my security is higher. So they have to take different precautions with me from from here on out for the rest of my life. And that would like make things. They're locking up like Cannibal Lecter, right? Like they put the box on the cuffs.

They shan- Everyone's like, what does she do? Like who'd she kill? Yeah. It's like this little tiny girl like, oh, hi. But yeah, so I had to be like they, the regular securities got, you know, on the benches. in the front of the bus and I was like in the back in my own little cage with the box and the two chains like they have my feet in my hands like or my hands to my weight it was just

crazy I remember trying to eat like it was crazy yeah so it took like a long time and oh it was so so rough so yeah so interrogation whenever I got there they had me in one of the like offices or whatever. And I remember a bunch of the police officers, like, looking through the blinds at me because the photos that I had sent Stephen, they were like, you know, racie, you know, they were like. Right. So, you know, I'm like holding guns and like lingerie. Like, I'm the most gangster, you know, like, so it's like, the photos got me like well known amongst the officers. And so they were all like clamoring to like see me. Oh, they finally got. Oh, and I know it's her because of the tattoos and blah, blah, blah.

And I was just like, okay, y'all got me. It was weird. The way that I was treated by them is like almost like a celebrity. It's an embarrassment to the prison system and the whole legal system. The legal system as a whole, it's like, y'all made a joke out of us. And you damaged the property. You got the place shut down. You made me look bad.

You know, the warden. All these people are just, they're mad. They're big mad. You know, like, I was very nervous in the beginning. But now I'm like, okay, I know the story. I'm getting into it. I'm like, okay, so it's, you know. And so I was just like, I was just conditioning my mind to get through this interrogate.

They interrogated me for like maybe six or seven hours the first night. And then like a long time, the second time. And they were doing insane everything they could to intimidate and scare me into just telling. And, oh, he did. They were trying to turn him against me and this and that. And I was just like sticking to my guns, right? And did you tell them you took part in the. Well, here's the thing.

They, they knew that I knew something. and that I had a hand in it, but they didn't think that a girl could possibly cut the fences and, like, do that. They just thought I picked him up or, like, met him somewhere along the way, but that I knew something that I could give them information and lead to whoever did it, right? Right. And come to find out, when Stephen got to Panama City for his other charges,

they hadn't put a hold on him yet. So he met someone who would later become my friend and convinced him to bond him out. and he bonded him out and he is out free in the free world in Panama City eating chicken wings lemon pepper and after the first interrogation I went back to my dorm called a certain amount of numbers got in touch with him he's eating wings free and I'm in jail in Louisiana I was like oh so we switched places oh okay hmm you got out okay got to give it to you that was good you know I didn't believe him. He got out.

And so it was because of the legal system's mistake, but still he knew to think of that and to meet someone and convince them that fast. I think he paid a couple thousand to bond him out. Wow. I can't even imagine being someone. Yeah. A stranger, yeah. Young, naive, like hustler, but he told him whatever he needed to tell him to get him

to put this money and got out. And it's like, dang. I had a buddy in prison who met a guy in prison. It's actually my buddy. He, yeah, this was, yeah, he was in a jail too. This was actually Zach. Yeah, I'm sure you've seen a black guy. Yeah, I'm like that.

Met a guy. Yeah, exactly. My guy, he met someone in jail for a few weeks. The guy was getting out and he convinced him when you get out, bomb me out. And the guy was like, okay. And he, you know, and he did, he got out. And I forget what his bail was. The guy put up whatever, $5,000, to bail him out and bailed them out.

So anyway, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, the mindset is like if you got it, do it because it'll come through for you. If not them, through someone else. It's like, just do it. And that's how I've done. I've taken leaps of faith with money and that I knew they were never going to pay me back, but I just knew someone's going to do this for me someday. Like the girl helping me with my commissary.

She could have kept that money to herself. She needed to set that money back. She had a long time to do. So she needed to set that money back because even whenever you get to prison, you might go months and months, years and years without getting any money. You don't know when your money is going to stop coming. Like what happened? So you were in terror.

I don't get lip gloss and earrings, okay? Like, that's all. Anyways. So, yeah, my, okay, so I made it through interrogation. They didn't, suspected it was me. I'm like, yes, I got this secret. And, like, the chief of police, I remember he looked like Morgan Freeman. And he, he loved me.

He was like a love, hate relationship. And he actually, he told me there was a photo of me with, like, a tech nine. And he told me that it was on his bulletin board. And that was like his trophy. he got me he found you know what I mean like he was gonna get me you know it's like oh it's kind of cool anyways you know that's why I posted it up on social media like anyone can do whatever they want with it but that's like just a story to look back on but yeah so he okay I wouldn't give him what he wanted to know but he I remember he got his daughter to give me a sweater to go in

with and he made sure that I got my numbers for my credit card I think he gave me a little bit of cash too like he did things to make sure that i was going to be okay a little bit that he didn't have to do and i really appreciated him so we had like a rapport you know and go ahead i was just say at some point they figured out that you were involved right i'm assuming yeah the accomplice actually told on me no yeah he had like the other guy that you broke out yeah he had like a like teen amount of of years he had a long time left and so i gave him five days of freedom just like a simple like delicious meal is like gold you know what I mean like just right I gave him this freedom and he told on me because he was scared and wanted to get his time short and like they he broke

during interrogation and cried and told like I just couldn't believe it I was upset and it's like that's how it works that's how it goes like he shouldn't have brought anyone of course he's going to tell he was crying at one point when he called his sister and she was like oh what are you doing you're going to get killed blah blah blah she's screaming him making him cry I'm like oh he's telling he's telling he's crying in front of stranger like he's oh we're we're we're We're screwed. I remember telling him, it's like, Steven, this guy's crying right now. Are you serious?

Like, who is this that you brought? Like, what do you mean? Like, stop. I don't like smack you. Like, stop crying. I used to get like hit for crying. So there was no, no, no, we're not crying. We don't cry.

Yeah. What happens? The cops come back in. They, they pull you back. They look. We know we got you. We're charging you with escape. They were, they were threatening me with enhancing the charge because of the amount of damage that I

did to the property. I wanted to, I want to. I want to say like 90 grand for cutting some fence yeah I guess that was the whole price of the all the fencing or something you know what I mean like they just jacked it as high as any little thing like oh whole fence is ruined it's got to be redone it's that's that's it's how much it is but then the other thing about what what he did to get out I don't know so maybe that's my responsibility too because you know technically I did help with it all so and so I'm just trying to stick to my guns because I know the longer I wait the lower the offers are going to to get until I'm going to get something that's doable. I was thinking three years tops, maybe I can get a year or two years, something like that is like, okay, I can deal with that. I can do that. I've had like maxed out commissary, maxed out phone calls. I had everything.

Like I was even though, okay, so my bond was a quarter million. Yeah. So nobody's running to get you out of jail. Yeah. I called my dad and he said, so how much is your bond? I said, a quarter million. He said, what? Five million.

I said, no, a quarter million. But it might as well be five million. Right. Just wait it out. This is part of the life. You know, this is what you do. You just, you go, you do your time. You fight when you have to.

You, you know, you take showers in public. You shit right next elbow to elbow. It's just, that's what we do. And as long as I got some coffee, you know what I'm saying? Some, you know, my commissary, whatever. It's all good. I got my phone calls. What did you, what did you end up getting?

Okay, so I got a split sentence with a year of hard labor, suspend to, I got three years, suspend to do one year of hard labor, do 30% of your time, 35% of your time. So by the time I signed my plea deal, I'd already done. Leave. Yeah. So I'm like, oh. What's hard labor? What does that mean? Hard labor is, you know, work camps or, you know, just working. Okay. Or whatever. I can't go to work. That was suspended, so it doesn't matter. Yeah. But I actually was surprised on my birthday, I got called. I thought I was getting released. I got called to go to prison. I got shipped to prison to prison on the day of my birthday. And I was like, what? But, you know, they have to get you through the DOC. They have to

do the intake, become DOC property. They got to get you through, you know, do the paperwork in the process or whatever. So I ended up doing about a month in Louisiana DOC and maximum security with the killers, you know. Shout out to D. Sell. So my girl, Tequila Monroe, my, my cellie, you know, she was doing like 25 years sentence for stabbing her boyfriend in the neck. He bled out in 11 seconds. I was my girl. Yeah, Tequila Moreau. But yeah, I thought my dad. Wow. Yeah. But anyway, because of my charge, people liked me. And, you know, so whenever you, yeah, whenever you know, did you meet anybody else that had that charge? Oh, no. What's the actual charge? Is that conspiracy to, no, assisting escape. And it's a first degree felony. You know,

didn't think that one through, but it's, you know, it's, it's a severe charge. And it's, it's going to follow you. So, yeah, I had, actually, I was grateful for the, the, you know, the HO5 security to where I could have a cell and I wouldn't have to be in an open bay dorm. So that was nice, you know, quiet, the privacy, the little cozy, comfy, you know, and it was just, it was, it had its perks, you know, and it had its downfalls or whatever. The food, I'm surprised was actually good. Like, whenever I got called to get released, I like finished my chicken nuggets. I was like, wait, I'm almost done eating, just hold on. I got a couple of nuggets left. I'm going, just, you know, but I remember we would have to fan our food with one hand while we're eating.

And like, if you say one word, the guard will just like grab your tray and like slam it. Like, it was just crazy. But it was very different than Florida. And I was just like, I remember one day like going out on the rec yard and just, I'm pacing. I'm walking. And I'm scared, but I'm going. I'm doing it. And I remember just it looked like it was like, this song welcome to the jungle and it was just like a thousand women on the wreckyard like some of these women were tatted up gold teeth smelled good look like mint like I was like moves and it was intimidating it was very different like for real so when you got out when you got out did you went back to Florida oh well that would have been nice if I could have gone back to Florida but I you know so thankfully Katrina I love you I met a really like a sweetheart in jail and she's just

like has just bleeding heart wants to help everyone. She's like, oh, me and my husband on a restaurant, you can come stay with me, you can come stay with me, you can come stay, you can come stay, you can come stay, you can stay, you have a place, you have a place, you have you have a place, you know, she, like filtered a few women that she met through there. I was like the second girl to come through and eventually leave, you know, but also kind of her, but yeah, so these strangers that I hadn't talked to in three months said that I could give me a number to call. They'll come get me whenever I get released. I'm not going to ask my dad to come all the way to Louisiana for me to be stuck there.

So I, you know, it's like figure it out, you know, so thank God. So here's the thing, the funny thing, Katrina did not want to tell anyone that her husband was a cop, right? Because she didn't want any enemies in jail. She was there for something stupid, like a domestic or a DUI, something stupid. And she's just like they own a restaurant. But he's also like, he had like a canine. Something happened with the canine attacked him, but he was like kicking. Something happened weird with the canine and then fighting.

And it was, like, controversial to where, like, society was kind of like, what's up with y'all. But they, you know, they, he had done time for, like, cooking meth. He had done, like, 10 years, turned his life around when he got out, became a police officer. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's, okay. It's normal. It's Louisiana.

It's Louisiana. All right. Got it. Yeah. It's, like, actually, like, northern Louisiana and southern Louisiana is, like, two different worlds. You know, they're very, like, country and backwoods and northern southern. They're like, they got this attitude. They got this, this accent.

They got this chip on their shoulder. They're very different. Very different. They don't like each other, actually. They talk completely different. It's different. But, you know, so the place that I was at is actually if you, the TV show, I said it called Duck Dynasty. That was the parish where I was housed.

So yeah, like a lot of people, they're like, oh, my dad hunts with such and such, you know. So it's like normal that any, someone knew someone so, so small of a town who knew this guy from Duck Dynasty or did that. And it was just, but yeah, so that's the, the only thing that I can think of to tell you where where I was located was the country. But so, yeah, the guy picked me up in like a K-9 vehicle. And I'm like, oh, I thought I was getting out. Like, what is this? What are we doing? And I didn't even never met him.

He was really nice. It was awkward, but they were willing to help me. When did you get back to Florida? How long before you were able to transfer to back to Florida? or did you have to finish probation there? No, I had to wait on my interstate compact to clear. So it took about six weeks, but a girl that I became very close with in the county jail, not the Katrina, the one I was staying with, but another girl, man, we were like this.

I guess you could call it a prison wife or whatever. It's not necessarily that you're, sometimes they are gay, but it's the person that you shower together, you cook your food together, you go to wreck, you shop together, you do everything together. It's your companion. You read your letters to each other. you're just like this. You know what I mean?

I wasn't, I never was gay in there. It just kind of, it's just like, it's dirty. You don't know what she was like. You know what I mean? It's just, it's, I just never went that way in there. It just wasn't. How long were you in prison or in jail? I ended up doing about a little over six months.

Yeah. Okay. It seemed way longer. The harsh living conditions. Like, we didn't have hot water for, I think, like four and a half of those months. And mind you, It snows up there. It's almost like living outside.

This place is so like dilapidated and, you know. Well, I didn't. I never think of Louisiana as, I always think of it as being hot and sweaty. Right. Yeah. No, northern Louisiana snows. Yeah.

It gets really cold at night. It can. You know, it's, it's cold. But yeah, I was the only inmate or, you know, convict or whatever that would stand under the tap.

All the other girls would heat water bottles up in the microwave and shower with water bottles. And I was like, uh-uh, I'm getting clean. I'm standing under this tap. You get used to it after a while. And everyone would be like, oh, my God, how does she do that? Like, no, I'm not showering with water bottles. You got to heat each one up.

Like, oh, no, uh. But yeah, that's, it's like, how is that even legal to have women showering with water bottles? Like, can I get a grievance? Like, yeah, I don't think anybody's concerned about, you know, you're about a hot shower for a bunch of convicts. But, but I hear you, you know, having taken a cold shower and also having taken a boiling, boiling hot shower that you couldn't even get out of the water was so hot.

Yeah. So you go back to, you go back to, you go back to Florida, you got a job. What, what were you doing in Florida? How long ago is this? Well, this happened in 2013. Okay, so I was born in 89 and I turned 24. So what? No, turn 23.

It was like 2013, 2014. But wait, my escapades are not done in Louisiana because my friend that I was like this, she got out three weeks after me. We used to talk about all the stuff we were going to do and what we were like out there and the stuff we were interested in and we were going to have fun, right? And so we ended up getting together and just hanging out and just having all these like, you know, these escapades and these, we had a good time. We were still really immature, but we had fun.

What else, anything else happened or you? So when that's- I'm assuming this is the, that was the end of your criminal career. Oh, no, no. I hadn't yet caught the hustle bug. But yeah, finally I went home to Panama City. I'm just wondering, like, what happened the next time you got in trouble? Like, how did that?

Oh, my God. By three months home, I was raided by the feds at my hotel. I was trapped out of, yeah. I caught the hustle bug. I mean, you started selling what? This is the, this is Coke, this is pills, this is. This time it was meth. And this would be my main source of trade.

This would be my expertise to where it wasn't enough of a problem for me to hinder my, you know, my, my, my cash flow. Meth is like, okay, you only get this amount of time. It makes this amount of money. I'm good. I got this. I don't want to be on this part of the totem pole. I want to be on this part. You know what I mean?

I caught the hustle. but we can maybe talk about this another time because this actually story is it's a rabbit hole. Yeah, I would have quite a few more arrests. Honestly, like, I feel like this is enough to talk about another time. It's a really, it's, that's fine. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm so glad my awkwardness went away. It's like, it's like, it's flowing like I wanted it too.

It's like, yeah, because this was my, this was my identity. This was who I became and like, this is how I grew into myself. And like, you know, it's like, oh, she was a meth dealer. And it's like, wait, I became self-sufficient and independent. And I finally grew up and supported myself by myself with no one's help. It's the hustle bug. It's an addiction in itself, which I'm sure you've heard. And I'm sure Jess has definitely caught in the hustle bug.

But, you know, respect to Jess. I'm a big fan, but she's great. But yeah, you know, she understands. And it's like, God, a meth dealer. It's like, oh, the word sounds so bad. But it's like, man, it just made sense at the time, you know? But yeah, let's just say, okay, so I'm back home, got the interstate compact. I'm going to do right.

I got plans for the future. I actually enrolled in Phoenix University online school. And so my mom, we were like tug of war with a bowl of spaghetti arguing. And it's just like, really. So I'm kicked out three weeks. By that gave me $20. The keys to his like Jeep Grand Cherokee. And he said, figure it out.

I'm sorry. And I'm like, okay. you know, and it's like, I'm the last person to want to ask someone for help, but I ended up just bouncing around a couple places, finally getting like a hotel room, blah, blah, blah. So the guy that bonded Stephen out, he ended up, he would become my boyfriend, right? Oh, there's so much going on too, because around that time of me first getting released. Now, Jeremiah was free the whole time that I was locked up. He got, he violated bond for being late to court. The day I got released, he got locked up but he took he held me down took care of me too i had a few guys that i could call and i had plenty of money flowing to me in all directions that i could turn to you know he owed me as far as i was concerned so i don't even i didn't even had to be nice to him like i would cuss him out is just a stop so yeah three weeks out i'm kicked out i got $20 in the keys and the guy ended up getting me an eight ball and the first one that i was like oh i'm all out he's like

what do you mean you're out i just got you an eight ball like he just the way he looked at me i will never forget it's something just click it just clicked in me like he looked at me like i was an absolute dumbass how are you broke and you're all out of dope i got you an eight ball that's three and a half grams you're only going to be able to do so much within a certain amount of time you can sell this this and this and have money more dope like the same amount of dope with extra cash like what do you mean like you should have an extra at least 300 and the same amount of dope again, right? Like what?

And I was like, oh, this is never going to, you're never going to look at me like this again. I promise you, I'm going to re-up and have cash. I'm going to have somewhere to be. I couldn't, I couldn't stand the feeling that he gave me looking at me like, what do you mean? I just got you and eight. And this is back whenever eight balls were like at least $300. So it was like, he was mad.

But yeah. So we can, if you want to pick up some other time and just, you know. I mean, that's what you should. I didn't realize there was a whole second act. So, yeah, I told you. All right. Well, listen, I appreciate you coming on. We'll do a part two and then we'll have, so then we'll have two parts and then we'll have

Colby combine those two parts and have one long one. Hey, this is Matt Cox and we are back with Danica Darley and we are going to be going over the rest of her story. So we're going to do a quick recap and I appreciate you guys that check it out the video. Can you recap what we talked about? I had helped the boyfriend get out of prison. You know, the con artist one, the one that was very convincing, helped him get out. We were on the run for a few days.

We got locked up right away. He bonded back out. Real quick, did they end up catching him? They did. They did. I'm trying to think of how long he was out and how he got caught. I can't remember how. Oh, I want to say it might have been like a week or two.

It wasn't long, but remember the girl that they used to go through her to catch him. And I remember now. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just like a regular thing for him because that's how his mind works. So it's normal for him. But other people don't even try. Oh, listen. Jess has a friend named Thomas who always runs from the police, whether he's got a warrant or not.

He doesn't pull over. He always runs. He doesn't answer the door. He always take. He's like, he's like, I just, I just won't, I won't do it. if he can escape he'll escape people have problems so so so they caught the guy they caught they caught the guy and they shipped him back okay so they caught Stephen and you're out so what you got out of jail you went to jail I got out of jail I got out of jail I had a split sentence

I got three years to spend two serve one so basically do my 35 percent and I get out on parole right So I would have the rest of that year on parole. So it's not like getting your probation switched because I was from Florida. I had to go back to Florida, right? I didn't know anyone in Louisiana except for him. I didn't have family there. I didn't have friends there. He didn't have any family that that I knew like that to be able to stay with.

So, you know, I just stayed with this nice girl that just randomly out of the kindness of her heart said, here's my number. Call me when you get out. You can come stay with me. I know you're going to be stuck. You're stranded. You don't have any. You know what I mean? You don't have anyone.

So you're back in Florida. You started working. I actually did start a real job at a restaurant, which is right around the corner from my parents' house. But whenever me and my mom had that argument and I had to leave, I didn't have the chance to get a vehicle yet. The vehicle that I had, my aunt, you know, she had a lien on it. I hadn't finished paying her off. So she sold that vehicle. I didn't have a vehicle.

My dad gave me his keys, but he would only let me use his car for a few days, which was so kind of him to do that. And I kind of didn't really have much of a choice, but to hustle at that time. You know what I mean? And I was already like in the lifestyle, in the culture, doing it, hanging around people on it. You know what I mean? It's kind of like because of my bad choices, I had no choice. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I was watching a podcast of yours.

And he's like, the guy said, he's like, yeah, I started with an eight ball. Then I got a quarter. And, you know, you just keep, keep reupping and paying, you know, your means. And but for me, this was my first time providing for myself without, you know, having someone that I could lean on like a boyfriend or you know my sister that I would stay with sometimes like I was by myself completely the hustling kept me from being depressed honestly it kept me focused it kept me it kept me distracted from you know the issues that I was going through it was just like okay well if I focus on this I'm making something happen everything else would be

okay it it turned it put my brain at a different mode a different way of operating it's just It's hard to explain, but it, and that's when, you know, the guy that I was talking about, he said, the hustle bug. You got bit by the hustle bug. And I mean, I can't think of many other better terms to, to call it. You know what I mean? Because I had hustled a little bit whenever I was younger, but I never had felt the thirst and the need. And the, it's just, it takes over. So did you get your own place? I would get a week at a time at one hotel and then halfway during the week, I would get another week at the place across the street. And in order to like try and keep the attention off of me, I would move my stuff to the other one. And then I would trap out of that one and sleep in the other one, kind of like blow it up and let it just, you know what I mean, let it go. And then I would sleep in the other one that was safe that didn't have traffic, right? Right. So that was my little method of just bouncing around.

I felt more safe than just staying in one and trapping out because even if you walk and you go other places, it's like people watch, people pay attention, things happen, you know what I mean? It's like at least have a safe spot and then, you know, and then I, whenever I would be over there and the other place would run out, I would start trapping out of that way and get another room. Yeah, that was my, that was my, anyways, that's so crazy that I used to think these ways. I hadn't done anything to cause attention to myself by the police on this arrest that I got that where I violated my parole, what had happened was, and whenever you hear someone saying what had happened was, like, bless yourself, okay, because it's going to be, you know what I mean,

like, oh my God, what, what did you do? What, what had happened? Right. Okay, so what had happened was, I was, man, I wish you could interview this guy. He was on federal probation and he had warrants for violating. I can't remember what he did to violate, but him and his buddy who were also, I believe, was on federal probation, just decided to go and commandeer jet skis and, you know, just party and just hang out or whatever. And one thing led to another and like somehow they ended up in my company. And I remember just thinking like, y'all are dumb. You're on probation or you're doing stuff like that. Like whatever, you know, and just like we were just riding around doing whatever, going to the hotel rooms. And they actually got a hotel room at the right next door to our hotel room.

And for 24 hours, they did surveillance. Like, And so what? They were watching these two guys and they picked up on you and then they ended up arresting you also. Yeah. So, yeah. They brought heat on you. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't even doing anything, man.

You said you were selling drugs out of a hotel room. I know, but I'm, I was selling very small amounts. You know what I mean? Like, it's not enough for the- It's still illegal. I know, but the feds don't care about me, my type of my, where I'm on a totem pole, that's why I stay right here where I just get like an ounce. every 24 hours. No more. The most I've sold in a day is like a quarter ounce. I don't like

to do. That's, that scares me because I don't, these guys are getting seven to 10 years and the feds. No, no. Not me. I'm going to go do a little, just a little bit of time. I'm okay. You know, just a little bit. So that they arrested you? Huh? They arrested you? Okay. So before we got arrested. So if there, if I had any issues with rooms, this was this was the place that I was at for a little over two months that I was at this place back and forth, so they knew me, right? There was some issue with the room that I didn't like it, and I wanted to switch rooms. And I was at the, I was at the front desk. And my friend, this girl that hustled with me, shout out to Liz.

I love you so much. She's a, she's a beast. But she's standing next to me. And whenever I was trying to get my room switched, you should have seen the girl that was on the computer. You should have seen her face. Like, there's nothing that you can't talk yourself out of that type of paranoia because the face that she made when she was trying to switch my room,

come to find out later on it said not to move my room because i was being surveilled by the feds i mean did she move the room no they wouldn't move it was like it was like a do not move order you know what i mean like stamped on my forehead you know they say i'm skittish like to take off or whatever but so what okay so what happens you know i was talking about whenever i was younger like getting away with stuff so that's another thing why i would stay at the same like level on the totem pole or the weight class that i would be willing to have on me because okay Can I get rid of this or can I, can I put in my prison purse or like, you know, make sure that I don't get caught with anything. Right.

That was my main goals. I used to have little scales that were like a little matchbox and I ordered them from China and they fit in my brawl. Little tiny, cutest little scales, but I always had ones that you couldn't find because scales are charges too. And it was important for me for the marketing for it to be, you know, like have nice, cute like bags with like cute little designs on them or just did it weigh what was supposed to. My stuff, I never cut it. It was important for me to do good business because in my head, I'm reasoning that, okay, as long as I'm doing good business and I'm honest, then that'll, that'll count for something in my karma. You know what I mean? Like, so, so they arrested you. They arrested me and where did they arrest you and how?

Okay. So we were in the hotel on the second floor and I'm trying to think of who was where or I can't even remember what they said or how how they knocked or whatever. But I know that I remember the police officer. or the main see I don't even know the terms for the federal FBI or DEA you know that's a good question I guess I guess FBI okay he had federal probation I'm not sure anyways well is that a US Marshal those US Marshals then they would have come to get them well there is a lot of people okay so anyway so there's some federal agents probably some US Marshals federal at this time of my using meth I was really into doing like what's called a hot rail I just thought it's so cool, like just the process of turning powder into smoke. So you snort a line and you blow out

a cloud. You know, and I just thought that was like a cool party trick. You know what I mean? So I had a ton of hot rail tubes and the cop was like, or the Marshall or whatever, he was very apologetic in having to arrest me. And he, I could tell he really did not want to charge me with anything. Like he felt really bad. And I was crying. I was like, I'm violating parole. I'm going back to prison for about two years. You know, I was very sad. And because I really was, I was trying. I was, you know, it's just like, dang it, man. I feel like you were selling drugs and you weren't trying. Well, I think more like I was trying not to get caught. Oh, you know, I think I was going to buy a car. I was like, I had the money saved up for a car, you know, just to have

worked like that and just scraped up like something from nothing and to have like, this is what I have about like $1,000 for a car, like a little $1,000 car. I was. was just trying to figure it out and survive i've never been i'm out in the world on my own i've never done that before and that was where i was at so i was at least going to try and plead my case to me like what what they caught me with the amount that i'm dealing with i'm nothing i'm nothing i'm i'm a small fish they have way big bigger fish to fry you know so anyway he arrested him and i remember whenever oh i remember how we got arrested it's like four vehicles on on all sides they like all of a sudden at the stoplight like put his car in reverse and like backed up it on us and

all the cars like came in on assault rifles and it was just crazy like I can't believe like they knew that he how he was and they knew that he could possibly try and have a high speed chase or whatever so they really took precautions and making sure that we couldn't get away with the vehicle that we were in right god that was terrifying yeah we were in up it was a moving van that he had rented I guess and just decided he wasn't going to turn back in. Oh, I just remembered a really cool part. This is really cool. Man, he just has like these quirks and these little habits and who is this? Okay, so his name's Billy Buchanan. Right. And he's just really super funny and just stupid and just charismatic. Just everybody knows them. So, so yeah, whenever we were having our journey together or whatever,

the few days we were hanging out, he was like, oh, Danica, do you want to put anything in this? Well, I got it open, and he had a computer tower with a side of the side panel taken off of it. And he had like various paraphernalia that he had stored up in the computer tower. And I was like, hey, that's a good idea. There was stuff in that computer tower, basically. And it didn't get taken or confiscated. And after he got arrested, he actually got his mother to meet up with me and give me an eight ball whenever I got out. I thought that was very nice.

He just asked for like 50 bucks or 100 bucks or something. But, yeah, no, I think he just asked for 50 bucks. I really appreciated that eight ball. I thought that was so sweet of her. That was gangster. You know what I mean? Like she understood. She wasn't cool with that stuff, but she understood, you know, what we had to go through in the life that we chose.

So you got arrested. You were processed. Did they hold you? Yes, they did. After they arrested us in traffic, they, we had to, oh, man, we had to sit in the squad cars forever waiting on a warrant. I almost for a little while was starting to think that we might get away with not having to be rated because they got him, right? it's so funny too because it's like they know what what he's been charged with last and they're briefed and filled in on on what you know his past has been and it's like we really don't have

anything like thank god and that's what that's what i was pleading for him for is that he didn't have anything in here the only reason i'm here is because i was trying to help my friend out and there he really wasn't he like i said he had an eight ball he didn't have pounds of ice you know what i'm saying he wasn't a huge drug dealer we were just partying you know what i mean like Anyways, I was very upset to have to be in that type of trouble for something, just helping your friend, you know. And that's why I was pleading with him and begging him is because they went into my room and I'm having to go to jail. But it was because he had a warrant. And it's like, it was mess.

He felt bad. He did. And he said, since I have to call the judge and get the search warrant, I'm going to have to charge you with something. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take it easy on you. Okay. So he left GHB in the refrigerator. He left a ball of steroids in the fridge. I want to say he left some like hot real tubes or like he didn't take all my paraphernalia.

He only took like a bowl or something like he left up like a few charges in that hotel room or whatever. So they didn't take you downtown? They did. They did. Did you bond out? So here's the thing. This was whenever the police officer, he went, he went in the trunk of the car and he got my purse out and he got me, he got me Sonic. He got, I got chicken tenders and a milkshake and I wasn't even hungry.

I was all sick to my stomach, you know, but I was going to take the chance to eat something good if I could and just he was really cool he was really cool and we had we had a good talk you know we were just vibing on the way to the jail or whatever he wasn't a federal he came and picked me up from the federal people so what happened when you got downtown did they charge you did you get bonded out did okay so I got charged but like I said with the paraphernalia and the possession and I had a hold because of my parole right it doesn't really matter what the county jail, like, it's not their job to, like, they're going to hold me and see what Louisiana says. It's up to Louisiana if they want to extradite me, right?

So you have a certain amount of days legally that you can sit there and wait on them to come get you. So I was just asking around and hearing around, like, certain states are very strict about extradition or whatever. You know, the extradition laws are different in different countries, different states and whatever. So I'm stressed out. My, you know, my mind's going a million, you know, it's just crazy. I was very stressed out. and just thinking I'm going back to prison. That was what I was like, I was like, I just thought for sure. Did Louisiana come get you?

They did not. So they took the hold off. They took the hold off. And so I went to court and they gave me time served. Okay. Yeah, because I did the 30 days. You know what? I think he just charged. No, he just charged me with paraphernalia.

He didn't give me a felony. Yeah. And that's why they didn't come get me because it was a paraphernalia. That's what, yeah, because he remember I told you he felt bad, but he had to arrest me for something. That's what that was. it was a paraphernalia charge. Okay. Yeah. And then whenever I got out, I found out through Louisiana that my, my probation, not only did I not have to make any of my, any more payments of the two, like about two more years that I was supposed to be on probation, but they, what's it called? It's a certain, it's a supervision. There's a word for it, but it's basically like don't get in trouble and we won't arrest you. Oh, yeah. So it's like administrative supervision or on probation, but they're not going to bother. you don't have to check in. But if you get in trouble, now you're in more trouble.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right. Okay. So it was like getting in trouble got me out of trouble. Right. Right.

I mean. Oh, you know, you know, Bozziak, he's never successfully completed a probation. Yeah. And he's been on probation. That's happened to him before. They said he was unsupertizable. Yeah. I heard that.

He gets arrested. He gets in trouble. They just, they arrest him. They let him out. They rest them out. They violate him. they let them out and then they go okay that's it we're done just yeah shout out neboziak yeah but when you got out what did you do did you get a regular job i'm really not just you know

complete scum like i want to do good i want to get my life together right so i'm thinking okay the solution for my situation would be instead of trapping out of hotel rooms if i hustle out of an apartment where i pay bills and have a vehicle then i can go undetected That's what I'm going to do. So that was my solution. Yep. That was my solution. How did it work?

The guy that the one that I originally moved away and ran away from, his family I was very close with and they allowed me to come stay at their house. Within like I think it was about four weeks, I had enough money to move into a little crappy little apartment and, you know, my favorite bad part of town. And I had my little place and it was in my name and I told the landlord that I was a server. He bought it and it was 175 a week. And it was it was 175 down 175 a week. So I actually ended up having more like more money than I needed, which was a relief. And that's definitely it was way cheaper than the hotels I was paying. So that was actually like something that even if you have to stop hustling for some reason,

you can still scrape up that 175 some way or another. You know, it's like. Yeah, that was really a huge blessing for me because I just needed my own space or whatever. So it had a back door, it had an alleyway. I was, I was hyped about that. You know, like plenty of escape routes, plenty of, you know, exits. And you just feel a little bit safer whenever it's like that. You know what I mean?

Because the cops don't know to go around the back and wait? No, not the cops. Just like any situation that goes down, you have double the chance of getting away. Okay. Well, you have a chance. So I'm so careful and paranoid, like, the only times that I have gotten places rated or places I've been rated is not on my behalf of my actions. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to have cops waiting behind someplace for me.

So, yeah, I had my place. And, you know, I was hustling and I was just trying to, you know, get by and and all that. And so, oh, and I forgot to say that. So the guy that I was talking about that, I guess. we could call. Okay, so Jeremiah, he got arrested the day that I got released, which is like, it's so crazy. Like, what are the odds? He was late to court. He couldn't find his keys. And he violated parole. That's crazy. So his case was going on during this time, right? And we weren't together as a couple, but we were, you know, in contact all the time because he

sent me money, had me on the phone. Like, so I was doing the same thing for him, but we're just friends. so his case is going on and he got sentenced to 15 years yeah 15 years for trafficking two trafficking charges he had I want to say they were all consecutive he got a few 15 year sentences but there ran is that concurrent or consecutive they're they're not one after the other they're together right it was really sad you know I remember having to like call his mother and like let her know what he was sentenced to I went and spoke on his behalf just did whatever I could in his case to help him. And, you know, I know that, you know, he asked me to look out for him if he ever needed it. And so I felt that I owed it to him. And yeah, so he got 15 years. And I

remember people really switched up and changed whenever that people started hearing about it. And now keep in mind, this guy, I don't know why. His theory is that, okay, so the reason that he's so publicized in the media, like his court dates, his sentencing to this last sentencing was on the news. He thinks that it's because his first. big case is that he emptied a mac eleven clip like fully emptied it into someone's house or whatever and he is like an 18 year old kid dresses like preppy and polo and just but anyways so he has all this time and he's already like discussing his appeal oh we're going to do this and that and he just speaks with such a conviction he just gave me some type of of guidance and

mentorship you know it was not good it was not positive but it was something it was some type of a direction and that's what i leaned into right i'm trying to think of how how to mold everything the way that circumstances like unfolded to where we were doing the Changang Hustle. Because it just, I mean, I got deeper into the, the meth world of hustling and like getting the plugs with the better prices and the bigger weights and the, just the craziness. And then people, there was an indictment that I think it was 95 or 85 people got indicted for a meth conspiracy.

And I have no idea how I didn't get indicted because every single person. person that I dealt with, got indicted. I did not. And I was so terrified. I'm getting nervous right now. And at one point, I ended up going back to jail. And I spent, I think, another month in there. If you spend a month in jail, your clientele is gone. They're going to go find someone else. You know what I mean? They're going to have loyalty to you as long as you take care of them and your, you know, your product is good. But they can only wait for you for so long. They need their drugs. So they're going to go else. So even if you have work when you get out, you're going to have to rebuild your clientele, you know, and you're going to have to have a consistent supply.

It's very hard to stay a drug dealer. You know what I mean? Like anyone can get a bag of drugs and like find someone that'll buy it, right? But to consistently stay a drug dealer and by drug dealer, I mean, like, pay your bills and have a consistent inflow of, you know, re-upping and making sure that that money is providing for you. And, you know, if the law enforcement doesn't take you down, then the drug culture will, whether it's someone, you know, the violence, Man, I've had some, I've been through some shit, getting robbed, getting busted, getting told on, getting set up. It's so, it's cutthroat.

It's a jungle out there. I remember one time I took this girl that I became friends with, I would, I had this habit of taking, you know, girls that I saw that were like kind of lost out there and just needing help and like taking them under my wing and showing them, here, look, this is how you do this. You know, this is how you, I'll teach them how to weigh up their dope. you know, I'd give them an eight ball, teach them how to weigh it, give them scales, give them bags. So, yeah, I taught this girl, you know, the little stuff that she needed to know in the beginning.

Yeah, maybe she didn't get bit by the hustle bug or whatever. But anyways, this girl ripped me off for the eight ball. And I think a couple other people, like, had shorted me. And I was to the point where I couldn't, I didn't have enough to read up and I couldn't find any other resources. So I remember being on the phone with Jeremiah and like, you know, he wasn't just like Stephen just taking my every dollar and or like James just cussing me. out and treating me like shit. He was supporting me and trying to help me out. You know what I mean? He wasn't manipulating and, well, he was manipulating and using me, but we were both getting something out of it, right? So I was going to say, did he give you a connect? So he told me where

he had a gun hidden and some steroids. And yeah, it was hidden under an abandoned house. You know, he's like, you can sell the gun. And then he told him, I can't tell me, oh, he wanted me to hide the steroids for him. So I did that. And I remember, let me backtrack. Okay, so I remember dressing in all black because he told me because I was going in like the you know a little bit like the evening a little bit but not quite dark and I remember thinking like thinking of that that saying we dress in all black for the big jobs and I was like wow you know we do you know and I was just so yeah I went and got it was like a little backpacker like a little fanny fanny pack type thing I crawled under this abandoned house that was across the street from his parents house

and I was so terrified like pulling myself between the the beams that were like holding this old house up oh my god it was so dirty and scary and cobwebs it's horrible but i was glad that i was able to i was going to be able to go re-up this is all i had to do we're good i don't even have to sell the gun i can bring it to her it was one of those moments where you're just like oh i don't know if anybody doesn't like spiders or bugs or whatever but it's just like where the where things go bump in the night that's where i was at oh sorry sorry i'm just saying like this guy let's keep moving he's in the knucklehead let's keep moving okay what's up Anyway, okay, so a friend of mine that I went to go see, she had like these costumes that she was playing in and I put a TR on and I took a selfie that night and then later on after that, I had this guy that had owed me like $50, just quit taking my phone calls, you know, quit answering me and I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to have to go over there and see what this is about because all these people is starting to add up, you know, like a lot of people say, well, what's the problem with $50?

The problem is when 10 different people owe you $50, it adds up. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't like you got to think about it. You're not my only customer. You know what I mean? And you have no idea what other people, what, what's happened to them? You know what I mean? And this is why people don't front, you know?

And so yeah, I went over there to see what was up with him and like what was the deal? Because I had had it up to here that day. I was one of them days. It was a very long day. And I kicked. Was he there? He was there. And he was, I don't know.

he's like out of it on he actually ended up passing away very shortly after that he was like I don't I saw him I didn't realize he was there until I was leaving the house with the with the laptop but I ended up kicking the door down the back door like I kicked it open with a TR on and I took his laptop and I was like I just kick someone's door open and took their laptop it I mean he he did not pay me back when he said he was going to pay me back and he left me no choice and you know what I did to that girl who who ripped me off for that eight ball whenever I went to go get my money from her and she didn't have any money for me. She tried to give me a little bit of scoop. Like her, she had her, she had someone bring me out a little bit of scoop. So I went in her car and I took her car stereo out of her car. Like I had to do these things this day. I did so many crimes that day.

And I was just, I didn't want to have to do it, but I had to. That was a very long day. But yeah, the tiara just topped it off. And when is the next time you got arrested? I'm going to get arrested again and bond right out. And then while I'm out of her. what's the other rest for um the other okay so so when the indictment happened okay when when the indictment happened that this is whenever I had to stop selling dope and I and I went broke and I

and I lost my clientele out of choice you know what I mean and it was very hard because you know you still have a habit you don't have money to support it you don't you lose your place to live because of whatever it's like everything just goes bad and it's like wow you have no nest egg you have no plan like you're this is when reality is setting in and it's not fun it's not a party anymore and i remember the bondsman he was a a really cool guy who's very nice to me he he liked me i could tell he was entertained by me like he was like he would just smile at me and just like shake his head like he you know it was just an understanding that we had and and i appreciated you know that's another thing too like the power that came with it and i you know i i know

i wasn't a huge drug lord but a lot of times for people they can only get, okay, they can make money in many ways, but they can only get drugs from this person. So it's very important. They need it. So a lot of times it can become more valuable than currency. You know, and when you're getting at wholesale, you know, and you're selling it for, you know, retail price, you know, you're making whatever, you know, however little you don't want to make or however much you want to make. Like I had one lady that I would buy, you know, at a certain price and I would sell it to her each gram at top dollar one. 20 a gram and I would I would literally be able to go re-up and like like double she'd buy like

seven grams at 120 a gram it was just crazy the way that you can you know do the math with this particular you know the way the market works with this particular substance you know what I mean so so yeah do you want me to get into like the Chang gang hustle at all yeah I mean that's what we're leading up to well well you know whenever the next time that I go to jail is kind of towards the end and whenever I will go to prison again. And then that was like, because after this last prison sentence, I refuse to be a drug dealer. I won't do it.

Yeah, me and God. Only took multiple arrests. Yeah. And a couple prison sentences. Yeah. So what happened? Chain gang hustle. What's that?

Okay. That sounds so like, I don't know, it just sounds funny to me, Changyang hustle. Like, a what? A chain gang hustle. Sounds like a rap. So the drug culture is, it's not socially accepted, it's frowned upon, it's whatever, you know, people do it in the shadows, they do it behind closed doors, or at least they try to, you know, it's just something you don't just bust out in the open, right? So that's a subculture, that's a cult, that's a, you know, a subculture where there's even cultures that are more, you know, quiet and clutched and kept beneath that, you know, and it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it. let me tell you something about the Chang Gang Hustle.

It is way more profitable and it's way safer. It's crazy. And it's crazy how these things, how these things work. And of course, you know, I'm not allowed to visit the prisons because I have assisting escape, right? So I was relieved that I had this charge. So I wouldn't have to be the donkey going to visit him, right? So the girlfriend that he had gone on to next, I know she went a couple times. I don't know if she brought anything or not or not.

I don't know the details. I'm pretty sure she, yeah, of course she did, but I'm just glad that I didn't have to deal with that because that ain't it. But so I'm just like, okay, I don't have to touch anything, but I can, like, supply it. I've sent everything from tattoo ink. I remember putting it in the eyedrop bottles, buying it from one of my customers was a tattoo artist, and I sent in, like, gray and black ink, and yeah. So, and I've sent in, I've sent in steroids. I've and in any type of drug that you can think of. But the drug that everyone really wants in there is Tucci, what they call Tucci.

It's the fake weed. Right. Or they're two or whatever. And I don't know why it's specifically in jail or prison that they love it so much. And you know, the guys that are just getting out, a lot of them, they'll have like a little Tucci plug and they're still like smoking their Tucci. And you can tell if someone's a Tucci head, if they have like the resin on their fingers.

Right. on the joint like staining their it's crazy so and it's like that is not fake weed the way that it makes people act and i don't i'm sure you've seen them you know in prison these people will be barking like dogs they'll be flopping around like fish screaming at the top of their lungs and like when someone starts acting like that they want to go find like where that batch is because they want it And it's like, it terrified me. Yeah, but I remember a buddy of his had his, a Tucci company. And so a lot of the, the first Tucci that we sent in there was like it was his supply.

Whatever he had it, or wherever he had it at, I remember seeing the two duffel bags of it. And I can't remember at which arrest that I was questioned about the two duffel bags. But they, somehow the police knew about it. Okay. So you're, you're buying, you're buying this stuff. You're giving it to a girl who's going in and she's bringing in a base or guy, contraband, whatever, to the prison. And they pay big bucks for that. Yes.

Or they, some officers, you know, so I'll give it to someone who will bring it to the officer, which is, they can walk right in with it. They put it in there, they put it in their little lunchbox and walk right in. That's the route. That's the route. Yeah, for sure. And so, yeah, I can't even tell you how many cell phones I've sent in at least. I would say at least probably maybe 20 so what do you buy you buy cell phone for how much well I've had so cell phones mailed to me I've had them given to me I've had them I've

been instructed on where to go to get them and put them in the mail or give them to this part like what do you what's that what do you oh so this is back whenever we had green dot I had a lot of green dots at one point I had so many green dot cards and I and I started to collect them. See, I used to have a counterfeit money collection. Like when we'd run across them, we used to have the little checker markers. And because we'd go through so much money

whenever he was hustling that we'd run across him here and there. You know, it wasn't someone specifically trying to use counterfeit money to buy stuff with him. It was just like small bill that had gotten or whatever. Not necessarily a small bill, but I have had a fake $1 bill and a fake $5. Yeah, I don't know. You tell me, but I remember the guy.

that you had on that found a way to get past the marker checker, which that I thought that was brilliant. Jeff Turner. Yeah, shout out to Jeff. That was that was incredible. So yeah, but I liked those that type of criminal like I wanted it to like frame it and have it. And I remember him being like, no, that's a charge. You're not putting that on the wall. But I had my green dot card saved up and I was going to do some type of like I was going to put them in, you know, you how you can buy like frames for posters to have them, you know. So I was going to have like it in a frame. Somehow I was going to organize them to have them on display or some way to do it. You know what I mean?

I just thought it was cool. Yeah, just tons of green dot cards. And it'd just be like, you know, a couple hundred dollars, $100, $500, $500, $500, $500. You know, I wasn't rich, but I wasn't hurting. And here's the thing about it. When I'm not having to be in the streets and worry about it being a controlled buy or is this person robbing me, man, one time whenever I was living at that hotel where I got rated at, I got robbed for a quarter ounce, but what this guy did to get the quarter ounce,

it was just, it was, it was, it was terrible. You know, these are like, it was like a bad story that you hear about. And thank God I didn't get hurt any worse, but this was actually a guy that I had dated. And he specifically planned to come and he was going to get, I think, I think he asked for an eight ball and then he changed his mind to a quarter ounce or something. I think he would, I don't know, somehow he got ended up getting two eight balls from me but he wanted to look at it first before he handed me the money it was just weird and shady as soon as i got in the truck and he ended up at one point this was crazy it happened so fast he ended up i'm holding on to the to the oh shit handle in the truck and he's pulling me so hard to get me out of the truck that i was literally

sideways like superman and he pulled my pants almost off of me ripped them and i had to end up walking home he broke a flip-flop and i had to walk home with my pants hold my pants shut to my motel in the worst part of town or whatever. And I remember just thinking that I can't do this. This is this. I can't believe this just happened. But thank God I had I saw a quarter ounce back in the room. So I had at least something, you know, but that was horrible that he did that. Yeah. And he actually ended up ODing. So what happened? So how long did you do the whole chain gang thing? The chain gang thing? Let's see. Okay. Also, so he wanted to start working on the appeal as well, right? So I got the down payment for his attorney to start it. And I think

he agreed to do it for like $8,000, but he took $1,000 down, which was really awesome, you know? So we did that. I can't even, I don't even know the span of time. I can't even think right now because it's been so many times that we've both been in and out. Like, I would go to prison. Whenever I went to prison, I was like, watch, he's going to get out before me. Mind you, he had 15 years. I, and I think I lasted, how long did i like okay i went in 2000 i spent all of 2016 in prison basically so i got out what in 14 so i was out a little like about what two and a half years i don't know i don't know i don't know the math but so why were you in that time what what happened that time you finally get arrested okay yes i got arrested okay so let me try to think i'm trying to think of like when

okay so I had okay because I was out on bond and I signed for my my prison I signed for 13 months with my lawyer while I was free I told him I didn't want to get probation I just want to go ahead and go to prison and I remember feeling like I was being responsible for signing instead of having to wait so they got me you know what I mean I was like I'm I'm just going to take care of it just going to be done with it take care of it get out of the way and then I'm going to be okay whenever I whenever I come out I'm going to start over you know what I mean and I just It was so hard to sign my life away like that instead of just run. You know what I mean?

But 13 months, I was like, okay, 13 months. Okay, let's just take care of it. I remember the bondsman asking me because I wasn't making my payments. What did I do to where I have for my bond? Okay, so I was just riding around with some people. And the guy that was driving was just driving reckless just for shits and giggles. And I remember being so angry at him. and like this is stupid and we ended up getting pulled over and also down and out by this time

and we were in the squad car in the back for some reason together and i was like dude you better not fucking tell on me and i remember like i had my hands in front of me and i got my stuff and i put it down my pants i got this stupid charge and i stopped myself from getting a really bad one i wasn't really hustling like that anymore i wasn't like my life was not flowing like it used to and you know my tucci partner so you know you can find it for like certain prices and then you can get it to them and they'll they'll pay you whatever and like an ounce in there is like okay it's like $100 and then whenever there and there it's like $500 you know if they break it down then you can make way more than that too you know what I mean if they break it down into smaller

you know and just sell like joints or whatever then that's way more money than the 500 if you're just selling ounce to you, ounce, you know what I mean? So, yeah, the Changanghous is just like, God, so enticing. Like a smartphone is $500. Yeah, $500. And in federal prison, they're $4,000. Right. $500, smartphones, $500, you would just to deliver it.

Yeah. Like a Samsung kind of a shitty $80 phone. The kind of thing that I got when I got to the halfway house. Yeah. You went to jail. You went to jail. out of jail. Okay, yes. I got out of jail on bond. The guy who bonded Stephen out whenever he, they forgot to put the hold on him and he escaped again after our first escape. The guy that

bonded him out, he's the one that bonded me out. So that was cool of him. And I bonded him out too, but yeah, it's good to have someone that you can turn to and, you know, that's going to make sure that you can get out or whatever. But I knew my time was coming to an end. You know, it's like, This is it. This is the end of the road. I'm out on bond. I have a case now. And I'm not going to last long because I'm not doing good. You know what I mean? Like my hustle fell apart. Everyone's getting indicted all this time and conspiracy. And like they're using their phones to charge them with conspiracy. And like, are you serious? Like text messages and stuff. And like here's how petty they were being. So a girl that I used to work under and get an ounce out of time and that I've wired. her money to her plug in like Tennessee or whatever like with like clear as day oh 500 oh 700 oh this much like it's it's a paper trail and I did not get indicted and she got there's a girl that got indicted for she fronted her in eight ball fronted her in a ball and she got a conspiracy charge and I'm like I'm doing all of this and this girl is in trouble and I'm not man I was so stressed out I'm telling you I was

having heart poppitations. When you got out of jail, what did you do? Did you get halfway house? I was just staying with a friend. And I remember whenever I just decided that, okay, I don't want to be here too long because I don't want to wear out my welcome. I'm going to go stay with this friend that, you know, I would always be there and be around. And actually, this is a guy that I bought a vehicle from basically half of it I paid foreign meth and half of it I paid for in cash.

And I ended up getting a really good deal because of like I said, it's like currency. people respect you and you get used to it and you have what they want so they're going to be real nice to you and i don't know it's just my name is so distinctive and i remember whenever i first started getting into it i was like okay i need an alias you know like my name is too distinctive and it i tried to have it create an alias of susy cute it just popped like popped into my head when someone asked my name one night and i remember looking at him and thinking this motherfucker will tell on anyone like i just as soon as i looked at him i was like oh He just gave me a bad feeling and I was like, Susie Q.

And I tried to tell people Susie Q and I couldn't get it to stick. But yeah, eventually by this time, whenever it was like all the stress and everything, people were getting questioned about me and I was being told about it regularly. I was in a couple different discoveries. I was hearing my... On July 18th, get excited. This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure.

I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too expensive. excited. Sorry. Smurfs. Only date is July 18th. Came and I was just, I was, who, I was getting paranoid. I was hearing, I had a friend, one of my friends was like, used to be a job out boy and told me through the grapevine that I'm being investigated and, and then I was told that they're just, they just want to make sure that I'm not selling heroin, which I wasn't. But by that time, I was hooked on it. But I was riding with someone to go get his heroin and their, their heroin dealer was also my ice dealer. So,

I'll get my personal supply of heroin and my, you know, my wholesale of ice or whatever. I mean, at what point did you stop? Eventually, I stopped whenever I went to prison, whenever I bought whenever, okay, so a friend of mine, so crazy, she dated an investigator. He was actually a nice guy and he let her know whenever they were going to come and do a sweep and pick up everyone with warrants and what day for me not to be out and about and not to have to use my phone. no he didn't say not to use my phone he said not to be out and about like don't be doing stuff lay low basically and like so that's why i changed locations because i was going to try and be

elsewhere right but i thought that was really nice of him to because at one point she was coming to get me like every few days whenever i had another time i had just gotten out of jail my my parents let me stay at their house for one night and i had to find somewhere else to go and i'm I moved in with this, oh God, this horrible, nasty trailer and it was, there was no running water at one point. And then when I finally paid all the old racked up bill back, the power went out. And then I had to pay up all the old racked up power. Man, it was hard. And like I said, you lose your clientele. You're down. You're down and out. And I remember, what's his name? Steel boys. Jerry Steele. That's like, that's the one where I'll tell you about everyone goes to him.

I remember him saying, now what's going on with you? Like he just was really inquisitive. Like, like you used to you know you used to have it going on like what's what's going on why can't you make this small little payment with what's the problem and I said I just cried and I was like all these people are getting indicted and I'm I'm really sweating about it like these people are getting a lot of time and I'm so guilty you know what I mean like and I cannot I can't hustle anymore I'm I mean the damage is probably already done but I can't keep doing it I'm too scared and I have no other income and you know I have all this drug habit that I acquired and it was all fine when I had plenty of money and plenty of drugs.

But when it's out, it's like, man, shit really, shit turns real. When did the, I mean, they eventually they pick you up, right? And you go to jail. So they came and got me. Oh, man. They came and got me. They're like a SWAT team. They came like into the house of the dude.

I felt so bad too because his son was home. His little young like five or six year old son. I felt so bad. I would never try to bring any type of that type of situation around a child. But yeah. had no idea they were going to come get me of no fucking like I did just did not I was shocked but yeah I was like finally when they did come get me I was like I already signed my for my time and I was just going to go do my time and it was over you know and I was like relieved and just it was a lot

it was crazy yeah how much time to do I ended up doing 11 and a half months I got 13 months and I did 11 and a half and where did you do that I did that in see I'm trying to think of the name of it. It's a reception center, Lowell. Lowell, yeah. Did you get halfway house? No, no, they didn't have any type of a, well, you could, there is a halfway house that you could like sign up for and go into or whatever, like faith-based type stuff, which I probably should have done, honestly, looking back. I really didn't have a plan set out for myself. I wish I would have had, I just was, I was, I didn't have the maturity at that time or the, the guidance to help me to make sure I had a plan set in action or whatever. But I figured it out. Whenever I got out, you know,

I still was like, you know, just partying or like still unhealthy in relationships, but I was definitely not going to hustle anymore. Like that was out of the goal. What's that? Where did you go? Oh, back to Panama City. Yeah, back to Panama City. You lived on the street. You live with your mom, your sister like you move in with her. Well, I had a couple of boyfriends. I had one boyfriend for a couple months, which was like a childhood friend and, you know, that was bad. It was it was a love triangle it was it was bad but the next guy that i got with it was it was it was bad it was even worse and i ended up running i got on a i got on a bus and i moved to alabama and i remember being on my parents house after i ran i physically ran from this guy the last thing he ever said to me

he said i'll beat you to death i'll take you to the woods and i'll beat you to death and i'm like this is it i'm not he's going to kill me if i stay and i have to get out of this this is no way to live you know, and it's just such suppression and control, and it's like, how have I got allowed it to get this way? And so finally, I got away and I got out. And man, so many good things happened for me whenever I moved to Alabama. And it's exactly what I needed. I needed to move away where I knew no one and to start over completely from scratch. And it was rough. But I learned a lot. You know, I was able to, you know, start a company and figure out how to do things on my own time, you know, and, you know, play by my own rules, which it took a long time to get there.

you know, I started working under a business owner that was a housekeeper as housekeeping is what I got into. But, you know, working under them and then paying you, your little, you know, your little bit. And then eventually, you know, you just stay and you keep at it. And eventually you have your own, you're a contractor. You have your own company and you're running a business. And you're making, you know, a good bit more. And it's really rewarding. You learn a lot, you know. And so I learned how to hustle legally, basically, you know, but I was like literally like hustling. It's very physically demanding and it's a good though it's a good little hustle though you know i just i i got to figure out something that's not so physically taxing plan you know i got to look underneath you uh yeah see here's

the thing i've i've kind of given up on trying to do that i had i have gotten an LLC with the plans of having a crew because i feel like i'm a good boss because i know what i want my boss i would want my boss to act like right take care of my girls feed them pick them up if they need to whatever don't micromanage don't be roots all that and stuff but I had like five or six no call no shows on my busiest day and I'm like literally like crying because I'm trying to get it done and I'm everything's just screwed because they don't even call or show five or six times these girls did this. And keep in mind, these are women that I worked with that dollar tree. So I applied for jobs everywhere. Oh my God, walking. I had no vehicle.

Halfway house. What's that? Go to the halfway house. You get people out of the halfway house. What? What? No, this is my mom. I went to go live with my mom. mom. No, no, I'm telling you, you can get people in the halfway house to work for you. They have to show up. You pick them. You can you can pick them up and drop them off. They have to come. Yeah. Okay. Because you tell there, because and they're, they're beholden to. Oh my God. Yes. Right. That's what I'm going to do. If, you know, one, they're going to be there. You show up, you beat the horn, they're going to get in the car.

You're going to prison if they don't go. Yeah. Right. Oh, hell. Yes. Oh, my God. Thank you. I mean, Jess worked as a housekeeper.

Mm-hmm. Okay. So listen. She worked at a, at a hotel, I mean, she worked at a hotel cleaning rooms. Right. Yeah. Basically the same thing. Yeah.

And she, I mean, I know a bunch of people that had these. That's what I'm going to do. Listen. Okay. So a lady at the cosmetology school that I was at, she had the idea of idea of, because I was telling her, yeah, I ended up getting my own LLC finally, because I was basically doing my own business, but I was doing it under this girl's paperwork. So I still wasn't able to control all the money completely the way that I really felt that I needed the

freedom to, right? The next season that I had done that. Anyway, so I finally got all the paperwork and everything, you know, lined up, which is hard to do all that while you're going, you know, well, I don't think I was going to school yet, but while you're working, you're busting your, you're just killing yourself and it's hard to get all that stuff lined up when you're already making it it's a lot it's so there are federal halfway houses and there are state halfway houses they're both basically the same if i was new i go to the federal halfway houses the criminals are better they're looking at more time they're more strict they're going to be there that's a good idea that's a that's a dang good idea yeah typically typically the people that run them

is in this area, it's in most areas, I think it's a lot of times there, shit, is it a goodwill? Like in Tampa, it's goodwill. I don't know what they are there, but it shouldn't take more than two or three phone calls. You could call probation. You could call federal probation and tell them what you do and what, what are that, what halfway housers are in the area? I don't know if we have any here, Matt. We might, the closest one is in Al-Hasie.

I'm in Panama City. I don't know if we have. any federal halfway houses here are you there might be the closest ones in like the next town you know what i'm saying i've come to think of that because i would know if there were federal houses or halfway houses around your state halfway houses yeah yeah and like rehabs and stuff to where they're court ordered to that rehab or whatever and can work yeah that's what i'm going to take that route that's it's such a good nobody wants to deal with them so if you're willing to deal with us because they're convicted felon they have to show up that'll be good i'm going to do that i'm going to

do that. It's exciting. You know, it's been such a struggle and I was in a cosmetology school and I was, you know, my grades were slipping and I ended up getting a month of leave. My mother, she's passed away now, but, you know, she was sick. It was real stressful and my grades were bad and I was, I was very overwhelmed and stressed out. And I remember my New Year's resolution was, okay, if I get my time management under control, my anxiety will alleviate. If I'm not worried about the homework I put off, I won't be stressed out, right? If I make sure I have plenty of time to get to class, I'm not going to be overwhelmed by the time I'm there and like dropping stuff, showing up late, the teacher's shaking her head. You know, like, so I made sure I started showing up

early to class. I started having all my homework done before it was due. And, you know, one thing led to another and I got voted by the, not voted, but whatever, nominated or whatever, the lady made me most improved for the student article or whatever. Right. That felt really good to do that. Yeah, so I was like almost failing on the verge of dropping out to that. So that was really cool. But yeah, my mother passed away and I ended up moving here. Do you feel like there's anything we didn't go over or? No, I think I think we pretty much covered it.

I mean, yeah, we're good. I think we're good. Okay. All right. Well, hey, listen, I, I appreciate you, you know, I appreciate you coming on, doing the second one. And I appreciate it. Do you want, you want, what's, what's your Instagram?

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