Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - World’s Dumbest Criminals | BANK HEIST GONE WRONG

Episode Date: August 4, 2024

World’s Dumbest Criminals | BANK HEIST GONE WRONG

I handed her the note. She literally looks at me. She's like, are you serious? She locks like the drawer. And she just walks away. And I go to the next bank down the road and do the same exact thing. Same exact attire.

You got to know they're going to call and say, hey, this is. If you look at the Facebook post on like the sheriff's office and you see the comment box. It's just, this guy's stupid. They're bashing me. I'm not afraid to be honest about the stupid that I did. And it was dumb and it makes no sense.

A lot of people ask me all the time. like, why did you do everything you did in your life of crime? And I'm just like, this is what this nation doesn't understand. And a lot of people don't understand, which is when you want to do something and you're determined to do so, you just do it. And ain't nothing stopping you, right? So that's just how I thought about it. And as like time went by, like, for example, when, like, grant the photo for people of my generation that understand when these games came out, you start playing these video games. You start watching action movies and all these things. And you're raised just watching all these things you're just like it for some people it because it's and in their mind and they're like

okay i want to live this movie i want to start doing this you know there's some people would be like hey i want to go to college for a living or you know i want to be a manager at some place or whatever but for me it's like this is just how i was thinking at a very young age and i you know when i was doing therapy a while back you know the therapist was like why what was the main reason for you doing all these things you know and then i looked at it at a very young age i was always had a rush for like stealing things from people like that was just like a it was like an urge like it just got to a point where it's like an addiction you know so then as time went by you know I wasn't really doing crime per se in Puerto Rico but when the recession happened in 2008 my dad

he used to export cars to Puerto Rico so when the recession hit everything went to shambles you know and then the economy went down in Puerto Rico and in the whole nation in general but we had a business It was a fast food business in Puerto Rico that went bankrupt. So we just, we went to the ground technically, you know. So the cars and the fast food, right? Everything, all the business just went down. Like, there was just nobody really consuming in Puerto Rico like that. So in 2010, after recession, you know, my parents really couldn't find work, you know.

And we lost the house that we had in Puerto Rico. We ended up moving with my grandma for a little bit. And then from 2008 to 2010, that's where we decided to move back to Florida. And technically, that's where my life of crime started. I was just... How old were you then? 15, 15 years old. And, you know, when you have a certain way of living, and then it goes below that,

I know a lot of people that feel some type of way about that. And they're just like, you know, if I had video games or luxuries or a nice house, and now my families were literally walking down the streets of Orlando and no car, no house, we're living with my aunt when we moved from, Puerto Rico here. So it just got all in my head and I'm like, well, you know, my, my dad is working for Walmart. My mom is too. I need to help out in the house however way possible. I can't really get a job. So then, you know, I just started stealing things. You know, I thought that was just a way of, you know, trying to provide in a way or at least provide things for my own

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general yeah yeah stores in general that have you know whether if it was game stop Walmart or any electronic stores for the most part okay um so then it just it it continued to grow but then when i when i grew a little bit older when i was what 17 i got a job at publics and i was there for four years and you know i kind of got on my feed and whatnot so upon that there was still an expectation I had out of life. And when it came to school, for example, when I first got here, my first six months of coming from Puerto Rico, I was doing good in high school.

I had like a 3.4 GPA. But after that, when we moved out of my aunt's house because we were having issues with her and whatnot, she was an alcoholic and she was on dope. And we ended up moving to a different house. So I got zoned to a different school. That kind of like, you know, it confirmed. Fused me a little bit and then I just started doing bad in school and I was just like like school's not for me

You know I just came with that conclusion that you know I didn't want to do school so I was just skipping class all the time and just you know Smoking weed drinking doing all these things right as a young buck or whatever anyways So a little bit fast forward after I you know had worked four years for Publix or whatnot I was just like and and in between that Working for Publix I was you know selling weed pills and stuff like that that's before like Florida implemented the law where each pill is a felony. Right. So essentially, you know, before that, I was selling weed and pills and whatnot. So I had half a public strung up on everything, you know what I'm saying?

And they're like, you're going to catch you one day. And I'm just like, well, I mean, the whole half the store is going to go with me. You know what I'm saying? If anybody says anything. So, yeah, I just got to the point. I was just really like, I had certain expectations out of life and the things that I wanted to do. And I was just like going to college is not a thing. you know working at publics is you know by the time i become a store manager making $100,000 a

year it's 20 years down the road i'm like this is not what i want for my life i want what i'm seeing on instagram and everywhere else i want this now so right i ended up just you know okay well it's hanging around the wrong people at this point and ended up you know become part of a gang or whatever and how's that happen like becoming a part of the gang? Yeah. What gang? What are we talking about?

I mean, I'm going to not disclose it because it's, you know, since it's not gang related, we're not going to talk about that. All right. It's, you know what the problem is? Because a lot of people within this nation will literally disclose everything on social media and all these things, knowing that they're supposed to have confidentiality. You know what I'm saying? Okay.

And it makes no sense to me that when I go to prison or a police officer, stops me. They're like, okay, you're part of this gang and we know this, this and this. How do you know this? Right. You know what I'm saying? It's not going to be because of me. I'm saying like somebody approached you. Like are you seeing these people? I used to work at a liquor store

a little part time and I was still out on the street and doing my thing after Publix. And then a guy approached me one day and we just started talking and vibing and we became friends. It started like that. And then you know, he ended up telling me, hey, you know, you seem to be very solid.

You know, you seem to be very quiet and to yourself. You know, what do you think about this? You know, I'm part of this nation or whatever. I think you should come hang with us and chill and see what you think. So it's like, all right, yeah, sure, why not? You know what I'm saying? And from there on, it just really took off to what it became. And long story short, we started doing home invasions.

Most of it was just, you know, big dope dealers in town that we know they had stashes and in those trap houses or whatever it was in town. So, and again, at the same time, you think about it, if you're like, if you're going to rob someone, rob someone that law enforcement won't be involved for the most part, you know what I'm saying? So that's what we were shooting for. And, yeah, after that, it just became an addiction to just stealing, you know, just plotting on dope dealers, people that are coming from California,

or from Oregon or whatever, and we know they're in town. They're linked to certain people, important people. started going to downtown Orlando and hanging out in like the rich people clubs and stuff like that and seeing who has Rolexes and good jewelry and all these things good cars so we just started plotting and whatnot on these people and then what you like follow them back to like where they're staying or do you try and get them in transit I try to be become as as efficient as possible when it came to it so we ended up buying these GPS systems that you could literally tag onto a car on the bottom of the car right if it was a truck on a chassis you

or just a regular car, any part of it's just the Apple thing. Bam, and you got a week's worth of information and a GPS, and you're tracking them the whole time from the computer. You just know where they're at, you know what I'm saying? So once you create a system, okay, this week they're doing this, you know, then the next week you know exactly what they're doing again, and then a whole month worth of information. You know, these people are going at the gym at 11 in the morning.

After that, they go to the bank, and then they flunk cash on Snapchat, Instagram, I'm like, hey, look at me, this and that. I got all these things. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of people that do that nowadays. And it's just like, you're flotting cash and a bunch of money. And you think it's okay that, like, nobody's going to, like, nobody's paying attention to you and nobody's plotting on you.

Like, I think that's absurd, a terrible thought process for anybody that has money to do, you know? Right. Well, especially if you're a drug dealer, you know. A dope deal. Yeah, you don't have, you don't have any, you don't have any, you don't have any, you don't have any recourse if something happens, like, you know, although we interview that one guy where the chick actually called the police, but her, her, you know, she had gotten, it was a home evasion and her, like, she was like, he took, he took this. Like, it was all, it was like, she wasn't,

she didn't say I'm a drug dealer. He took a bunch of drugs and money. She said, you know, I'm, I see, she had some other ex. Some bag business, wasn't it? Oh, yeah, that she was like selling, like, whatever. She's selling, you know, fin, bags or something i forget what about but yeah he came in and took a bunch of stuff and he took us and he took some cash too really you know of course that all breaks down you know once they really start looking into it but still yeah 99% of time i don't think they call anybody right so so that's a thing you know and and and there was one time man where i encountered we've been tracking this guy down for like two months and we had a valley me and a few of the brothers from the nation we had a valley parking

company in downtown Orlando at the time we had four different lots anybody that's from orlando will tell you ace cafe it already closed down but at the time of the vanguard which used to be venue 578 Washington street and I think off a melia we had the fourth lot but I didn't ever work that one but I was always working the the ace cafe one and the vanguard which is a huge club in downtown Orlando where like all types of artists have been there. So that was another resource that we had to always pay attention to all these types of people that were coming in and out the clubs and VIPs. We knew the owner of the club, so we always had a little VIP section to ourselves and whatnot. And this dope dealer comes in one night with his crew, boom, and we had been

plotted on this guy for the longest time, man. And I literally told brother, I was like, bro, it's go time like you know what i'm saying we know the dope is at his place we know this is going on so let's go hit it he's like right we i literally told my boss because my boss was in all this shit he's like yeah and that's and um so we took off i was like hey we're leaving we got to go he's like what's going on i'm like it's going on don't worry about it right i'll tell you later so we took off drove off and yeared up and whatever and we just broke the front window of the house open the door and we just walked in there was a huge jazz bulldog right there my my my brother pistol whipped him fucking dog ran away and then we just took

our time poor dog yeah poor dog i'm talking about animal cruelty at a whole other level so anyways um yeah so we took our time and there was like you were to think there's people in the house because there was like six vehicles in front of the house right um and yeah just just we took our time got out came up bunch of cash okay you found you found yeah yeah there there's there's probably like 25 pounds of weed there's two keys and about 100,000 in cash okay yeah and then it was it was in a leviton duffel bag so um yeah we came up on that lick pretty pretty well and yeah so we went to celebrate that night or whatever and took off um repercussions came with that as well and And, you know, this guy was pretty, it was because then somebody else down the road hit a lick on him and he ended up moving out of town.

Right. Like at that same house, I guess somebody else was plotting on him. It was like a couple months after that, that had happened. So he ended up moving out of time. But at the time, he was well known. So like he spread the word. And then a few of my brothers had hit a lick on one of his friends. And it was just.

it was a shithole afterwards it was just like everybody in town was talking about it and there was just a lot of commotion so we just kind of came down a little bit and just we stopped hitting leagues for a couple months and anyways just to fast forward that that was just one of the things we did back in the day but for the most part a lot of the crimes i did i did them by myself because you can't really trust people yeah you know especially nowadays where it's like the police will be like, hey, you know, for a home invasion or for whatever crime you do, we're going to give you 10 plus years, 20, 30 years, whatever it is, a life sentence. Unless.

Unless. If you know something, you could help yourself out. Yeah, like, and that's always been a no to me, you know. Fast forward to a little bit down. That time, it was like two years later. We ended up getting into a war with the rival gang and whatnot because we had hit a lick on one of their main dope dealers in town. And somehow they found out about one of the getaway cars that we had. I don't know how the hell it was.

I think, honestly, if I look back at it, it was an inside job. I think that one of our people ended up was cool with them or somebody did something. I don't know. And they ended up finding out. And then there was a shooting that happened a couple years ago where they killed one of our brothers and whatnot. So then it just started getting really bad. like okay now we're hitting robberies but we can't really hit robberies in town because like everybody knows that it's us you know what I'm saying and we got a brother down now we got a bunch

of other things going on so just things started getting really really bad and I was just like man you know I'm living good at the time you know living at my parents house but realistically I wasn't even there at all um I was between jumping couches and whatnot with with a bunch of friends or whatever because I was just always out on the street realistically I was never really at my parents house but my parents were always worried for me you know that they again I came from a good household so it wasn't something that like I just abandoned them I just really wouldn't pull up because I knew that like at any given moment a shooting could happen or some and there's somebody's looking for me because they know if I hit a lick on them or whatever you know and they're

looking for me guess what I'm putting my family in danger right so you know that that's that Also, a little backwards real quick on time, I left Publix because I did a lawsuit against them because I ended up breaking my toe with one of the forklifts. The reason why I mentioned this is because from that lawsuit, I ended up buying a house in 2000. What was in? I forgot the year. I was 21 years old, so go back like eight years. How much do you get for a toe? What happened when you won the lawsuit?

Yeah, so winning the lawsuit and everything because what happened was is that workers' compensation didn't want to pay me for. the time I was out it was like two and a half months that I didn't receive a check right so they're supposed to give a 66% of your wage original wage so what happened was is that I ended up getting about 50,000 on that on that settlement right from there at the time it was I'm gonna tell you right now actually it was 2000 it was 2015 when we settled in 2016 we closed the house December 31st last day of the year and we moved in January like 5th we had the up moving into the house, so 2016, to be exact. So I bought a house when I was 21 because of that lawsuit. And I had good credit at the time. So with my mom's credit, my credit, we ended up doing a

down payment on the house, and that's how that went. So technically it was my house. I just signed it over a couple years ago to my parents so they could keep it because I'm trying to buy another house and whatnot. And so the reason why I say that is that when all this crime was happening, I was just like, I don't want no danger to be in my house or whatnot. So the times I would go there is to like stash things in my room or like, you know, bring guns or dope into the house and leave it there for a little bit. And then whenever it was moving, just bring it out. So I was just in and out. I was never really like, I cannot say I was staying with them at the time. So when things got really bad in the street, I...

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I told a brother of mine, I'm like, listen, bro, I'm sick and tired of living with this demon behind my back. Like, I always have to stay alert. I always have to fucking pay attention. when I'm in traffic to make sure nobody's following me and all these things. So I was just like, like, I feel so lost in life. Like, bro, like, I'm just, it ended up getting so exhausting, man. And I was just like, I have to do something, man, because if not, they're going to end up killing us or we're going to end up killing people and catching a life sentence.

So, like, what do we do? He's like, bro, just do you, you know what I'm saying? So, hey, real quick, just wanted to let you guys know that we're looking for guests for the podcast. If you think you'd be a good guest, you know somebody, do me a favor. You can fill out the form. The link is in our description box. Or you can just email me directly. Email is in the description box. So back to the video. I just like, you know what? I have to do something where I just get put away for a little bit. I know it sounds crazy because it's just like, in my mind, I've never, I've never traveled anything out of Puerto Rico and Florida. You know what I'm saying?

I don't think of like, hey, going to another state is a thought in my head at the time. I was just Like, where the fuck do I go? Has you been to prison before? No, I got arrested one time on a dating violence. It was a high school thing that happened between me and an ex-girlfriend of mine. And that's the only thing I really, like, I was in the county jail for like two days. Then I got bonded out. And then I was on like GPS for like six months.

And then after that, that was it. You know, I was just like, that's all I knew about county jail or time. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, there's just one main brother that would always tell me about prison because he was, had done time like three or four different times or whatnot so I was just like you know from past experiences of people that I knew I was just like you know going to prison is like your cool down time if you if you may you know right so I was just like do I go to prison you know I'm I'm going to end up there anyways with the things I'm doing you know what I'm saying like

you know I already had gotten investigated on two different cases two different robberies or whatnot and so I was just like everything is just falling apart heart in the streets. So I was just like, I need to do something. And like quick, because if not, I'm gonna die or end up catching a life sentence. I'm just like, this is not what I want for my life. You know what I'm saying?

So fast forward down the road, a little bit more, I thought about hitting the bank. I was like, should I, you know, rob a bank? Should I, you know, how am I gonna do it? So then I started thinking about, okay, do you know, Do I just hit the tellers or should I just, you know, grab someone hostage and like, all right, we're going to the full? Like, what are we going to do?

You know what I'm saying? It's a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a terrible idea.

It's a terrible idea overall. But like everything that I was. I was going to say, like, honestly, the guys that just slip them a note that don't say anything threatening, they're like, you know, that you slip them a note that says, listen, I'm robbing the bank. This is serious. You know, put the money, you know, put the money in the, put the money in the, put the money that's bad, or give me all the money in the drawer right now,

everything will be fine, you know, do it immediately. Something very, very quick and short. Right. As long as you don't threaten them, threaten anybody, you just slip them a note and, you know, you tell them, look, you know, I'm serious, like, do it. Then you don't get much time. They get, like, not that I'm advocating bank robbery. But typically, if you don't have a history, you typically get about three years.

Right. You can plead out to roughly three years. So fast forward if you wanted, we could talk about that. But if you have a gun. Okay. So check this. up I was a concealing carry at the time before this had happened so that matter it's bad idea right that doesn't mean you to go in the gun right right right right but my thing is so I did my research

and I was like okay maybe the note is probably the best way to go go about it and whether they catch me or not I'm still going to do some time so I'm just like okay I'm going to do some time but it's not so much it's like okay I'm not wasting my whole life in prison you know right so and people we're gonna be like this dude's crazy of course you get away with it or maybe get away with it right right so then that's what i decided to do i was just like you know what i'm going with a note and you know i was just realistically these people have to catch me you know what i'm saying like i'm gonna give one to the state like this is just my conclusion what i thought was was right for me at the moment you know and yeah so i ended up my when when the day came

so how did you pick the bank just wondering it was it was local banks it was It's local banks in town. It was Bank of Americas. But why, I'm saying, why did you pick that bank? Like, which? Okay. So, so when I did, when I was doing my research, obviously, you know, you, you have to make sure that they don't have a glass, like, glass for certain banks.

I don't know if there's still some out there. But at the time, like, Bank of America, some of them didn't have the glass between you and the teller. Right. So it's easier to, if you had to do contact or, like, you just got to grab over the money or whatever you're trying to do. Well, their fear is that, of course, if they don't have the glass, that you might just jump the fucking counter so and they're trained to to to give you the money if there is a

robbery essentially you know it's like this was simple like when I used to work for publics when I was when I was a cashier they're like if somebody there was it was part of the training if somebody comes and tries to rob you just give them the cash like don't you know risk your life so I knew it was the same protocol with the banks it's just what it is so I just chose those because of that reason. And I was like, okay, well, if I am going to give one to the state, I need some money, you know what I'm saying, to, you know, make it worthwhile, I guess. Yeah. It was just incoherent thoughts in my mind now that I think about it.

I'm like, it was stupid. I should have done nothing that I did in the past because, you know, to the state, sometimes I think crimes will come up and, you know, it could affect me. You know, I'm on probation right now. So it's like any little thing I do, you know. By the way, this is, today is my last day of probation. Really, congratulations. How long did you do? Well, I still have a few more hours.

Five years. Five years, yeah. So, part of my sentence is literally 10 years' paper and then three years in. So it was... Ten years. Yeah. But, I mean, you get five early terms, so it's not terrible, you know? Right.

You get five early terms. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so yeah. But you did federal, correct? Yeah, did federal. And you can get early termination. But if you pay off your restitution, I can't pay off my restitution. It's $6 million.

Yeah, I saw. So I did the whole five. And I made the, trust me, a couple of years ago, I sent it in saying, hey, made all my payments. You know, I have an outstanding balance. But, you know, I've met all the other requirements. You know, and I intend to continue to pay once I'm off probation. And they caught the judge's clerk called the probation officer. They said, do you recommend this?

So they said, no, he hadn't paid off the restitutions. He said, no. Wow. Which, you know, it's stupid. because I am going to continue to pay. Right. But whatever. Anyways.

It's not me. Yeah. So then, um, so fast forward, the first bank I enter, waiting in line. I'm literally bare face, just glasses, a hat. That fucking ballsy. Yeah. So that's another thing I must say, because I've seen some of your podcast and I'm not trying to bash anyone.

Right. But a lot of criminals will be like, oh, yeah, you know, I'll, I'll smoke, I'll drink and pop some pills before I do all these things. That's stupid. I'm like, brother, I'm going to tell you something. A true criminal that does whatever crime they're doing, they don't need to be under the influence to go do what they got to do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, I was just, I was already accustomed to

doing robberies. Right. So you're not super nervous. I'm just like, I know what I'm doing. I know what is expected. I know I'm going to prison. I know if I don't go to prison, I'm going to die because we're at war with people out on the street you know what I'm saying so it's like it all made sense

I had to put it I correlated it all together I'm just like this is just what it is and I accepted it so I'm just like I'm gonna be cool about it you know this is Bonanza

you know what I'm talking about and Bonanza like they would be like somebody would there would be a gun fight and if they didn't want to go do the gun fight they'd get drunk in the bar and get themselves thrown in jail

so I don't need to be like I would have been there but they gave me 30 days Yeah. But I was going to say, too, we did this bank robber named Luke. Okay. And he put on a mask and a whole glasses, mask. I think I saw it.

Was it a recent one? Yeah. Yeah. He walked in. He said, okay, based on my attire, we can all assume why I'm here. Yeah. That was hilarious. He's like, I mean, right?

Like, is there any, you know, everybody understands what's about to happen, right? I thought that was fucking hilarious. Yeah. But, I mean, there's so many. When I did my research before doing all this, man, It was so hilarious, the amount of different ways that people have robbed banks in the past. Right. It's just, it's hilarious to me.

Like, I mean, there's funny ones. There's, like, really dumb ones. And if you look at the, I'll show you after we're done the podcast, Facebook posts on like the sheriff's office and everybody when they were looking for me or whatnot. Right. And you see the comment box. It's just hilarious. All these people like, this guy's stupid. They're bashing me like so bad.

And I'm just like, some other people would be heard about these comments. I'm just like. You know, you're not living my life, so you don't know what I got going on. This is actually a blessing for me in my eyes. What, it's so funny because I'm actually having dinner with a guy tonight who I was in prison with. And he, this is so funny. He was, so CNN used to have like the world's dumbest criminals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was on the world. He was one of the, and here's the problem. Same thing, just like you're talking about. You don't understand what's going on, though. So, you know, he was in a, I don't want to say high speech. chase because they weren't going that fast. It was up in, oh, shit. Anyway, it was, I think it was South Carolina.

So he's driving, like he's in a Mercedes, and the cops are chasing him, right? Like, he had walked in to sell some drugs, and halfway through the whole thing, he realized, okay, well, he had the drugs. Like, they started saying stuff to him, and he realized, like, fuck, like, I'm being set up. So he turns around and just bolts, but he's got, he's got the, whatever, you know, however much coke. Yeah. And he's running.

He's like, well, I can't drop the Coke. Like I run, I jump in my car. He's like, as soon as that happens, I can hear the car is coming down the street. Mm-hmm. He said, boom, I punch it. I back up. I take off. They're on me.

There, he said, like, I swerve. I miss one cop trying to cut me off. I'm driving. He's like, I drive. He said, not long, bro. Mm-hmm. He said, and all I can think about is, like, based on what they heard. Right.

If they don't catch me with the dope. Sure. I'm okay. Like, we were having a conversation, but it was, I wasn't mentioning drugs at all. They were like, how much, you know, hey, how much, you know, it was just like how much. You know what I'm saying? It could have been anything. We never really talked about that.

He said, so, he said, I thought, I just have to get rid of these drugs. He's, but these cops were right behind me. He's like, and I'm in a Mercedes. He said, it's a nice Mercedes. It's not outrunning these fucking cop cars. And I'm not even going to get far enough away where I can even throw the drugs. Right. And it's in a plastic bag.

He was so, I thought, the water, but I'm going to have to get in. the water to make sure because it's it's it's tough you know it's a clump right he's like you throw it they're going to find the bag that even if i take it out and throw it they may still find like i don't know and i so anyway he said like i'm driving he said and i said fuck it man i'm just going to drive my car into the into the ocean and he just turned around drives right across the beach right into the ocean he's like he rolled his windows down and everything ran in the ocean yeah cops pull up stop they run out he's like but they're not coming out yeah he said my car's basically his cars float.

He's just pouring in with water, but it's still kind of floating. He's like, climb out of the thing. He's, I basically just, he, he said, I take, I break it up completely. I just sit there and just, he said, I'm right in front of the cops. Yeah. Like, he's like, I'm under water, you know, I'm sitting there kind of swimming and breaking it all up because I break it up, then I take the bag. So I literally sit there and just wash out the bag.

He is there walking up and down the shoreline going, get over here, get over here, washes out the bag real good. He says, swims down, starts looking. for something heavy, finds like a rock or something, puts the bag, puts the bag, the rock of the bag, and just leaves it on the ground. He said, I tried to cover it up a little bit, whatever. He said, and then I just, I swim up and I walk right in. He said, it was on CNN's dumbest criminal of the area. He said, but the truth is, he said, I didn't get caught with the drugs. He said, I would have, he would have gotten the mandatory, the minimum mandatory

was like 10 years. He said, so I thought I'm good. Here's the problem. He had a gun. Now, he doesn't have a felony, by the way. This is when he finds this out. He had actually been kicked out of the military. He did not get a DD-214, which is an honorable discharge. He got a dishonorable discharge. Here's what most people don't know. If you are dishonorably discharged under certain circumstances, like they didn't charge him with anything, but he was basically kicked out of the military and you sign your paperwork. One of the things you're signing is saying you relinquish your ability to have a weapon. Yeah.

So now he basically falls under the felon with a, with a gun, you know, with a weapon. So you get the same charge. Like he's like, I'm not a felon. It's like, doesn't matter. You're a prohibited person. You're not allowed to have a gun and you do have a gun. So he thinks, I'm fine. Yeah.

But what happened is they ended up giving like, I think they gave him three years or four years or whatever it was. It's not terrible. Anyway, I hear you, but that's the whole thing. He's like, everybody's like, you're such an idiot. You're so stupid. But I'm not stupid. I got rid of the 10 years.

Like that's why I did it. Did I look like an idiot? Maybe, but you don't know the circumstances. A lot of people criticize whether on social media or even family and stuff because they don't know the situation you're going through. People are just haters in general. And that too. So that's something that, you know, even me on my platforms and stuff when people criticize or whatever or give a thumbs down on a video. Like I'm not tripping because you're entitled to your opinion.

You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, if you don't know what a person is really going through, why are you criticizing their situation you know what I'm saying and at the end of the day look he he got rid of a lot more time yeah he shaved himself like seven years you know what I'm saying seven years or seven listen that's another thing too when like people be like oh yeah I did 20 years and then you did three years or 13 and they're looking at you like you're like you're a peasant like you're you ain't shit like bro one year in prison or a hundred years it's all we're all doing the same exact time and the same exact thing you know what I'm saying it sucks so you know

That's something that bothered me when I was in prison, like how dudes would just be like that. Like they thought that. Like, yeah, like, 20 years, bro, 20 years, you ain't shit. You're short time. Like, bro, like, what are you doing? You know? Still sucked. Yeah.

Listen, everybody, no matter how much time, like I said, I've said this before, I only met two people ever that said like they got the appropriate amount or I got, I got less time than I deserved. Most people will tell you, like, I got too much time. Like, I didn't deserve 10 years. I didn't deserve five years. I didn't deserve two years. Like, nobody gets what they really think they deserved. Right, right. It's always harsh.

You're always, you were always hoping for more. You always don't think I did anything to get that. Yeah. But anyway, you said, so people are yelled. So you went up to that, you're walked up. Yeah, so I'm in line. Yeah, yeah. So I'm just literally a hat like this and a pair of Gucci glasses.

And I just walked in there. And I'm just in line. And then when it's my turn, there's only one teller there. And I hand her the note. But I did have my gun on me. Right. It was a Glock at the time, a small Glock. But I didn't pull it out or anything.

I'm just, I went up to her. No. So I just, I handed her the no. It said what it said. And she literally looks at me. She's like, are you serious? And I'm like, I'm dead ass seriously. I just looked right now.

I'm like dead ass serious. She literally locked the box, man. Like I swear to God, like she locks the box and walks away. Does this have glass? No, no, no, no. It doesn't have like. Yeah, that Bank of America and the. And the one I did afterwards, they didn't have...

Yeah, okay. I thought we talked about that. Right. She locks the drawer. She locked, like, the drawer. They had the till or whatever. And she just walks away. I thought you meant like the, like she closed the glass.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, she locks her little till and she just walks away. There was not a little bit in me that said, should I just cap this woman right now? Like, I swear, like, she just made me feel... She just made me feel like the most... piece of shit on the planet like i like i was a piece of a dirt bro like i'm just i'm not there bro like so i just grabbed mona and walked away i was like whatever like i'm not like i refused to like if i'm doing a bank robbery not walk away of money so i'm just like i'm going to the next bank

down the road so i drive off and i go to the next bank down the road do the same exact thing it's wild as hell ain't it anyways aren't you are you same exact attire same exact attire same exact attire You got to know they're going to call and say, hey, this is. Right. Yeah, but okay. Yes, he's wearing a hat, this, and that. But, brother, they still don't know the vehicle you're in. We'll talk about this in a second.

Let me get to the bank real quick. So I go down to the next bank, and I wait in line, do my thing. Oh, my God. Yeah. This is how you know anybody that is trying to rob a bank. I ain't giving you advice. This is not advice at all, but this is just reality. So when I go up to this teller, there's like three tellers at that one.

And I hand her the note, she gets, she was a white lady. She gets so red, dude, like so red. And she literally just, like, grabs all the cash, throws it on there. I grabbed the cash. And granted, I didn't have no gloves or anything. They did not have any fingerprints on any of the banks. Because when I opened the bank doors as well, I literally used my shirt and just walked in, walked out. So I grabbed the cash and I just walk out peacefully.

And then on my way out, there was like three, like, three. They're like two or three bankers, like right there just chit-chat because they're not, they don't know what's going on. Yeah. And I, they're specified on, no, just calm down and going to hurt you. Just give me the money. When I'm walking out, they're like, have a good day, sir. And I'm like, you too. Walk down the bank.

I walked to my car. My car is literally like, like 30 parking spaces down. Right. From, from, because it's a plaza. Like that, this one was a plot. Well, both of them were plazas, but like the first bank was literally like a corner like bank, which is like easy. access to get out of there and then this one was like in the middle of the plaza so i was like 30 spaces down i get in my car and i literally go to a light i u-turned when i'm like a mile down the road

i'm at the light waiting for my light to change and that's where i see like 15 police cars going down the road just flying down the road my sirens and stuff yeah yeah sirens they're flying down the road the sirens are on and everything and and you see a helicopter flying by and freaking like it was just everything that's happening my light was green i just take my left and then as i'm going through there's still cops coming through you see them boom boom boom and i just drove off and i took off to my destination i say all these things to say this as i was getting to my destination i already had jumped from one county to another there was literally a sheriff's car that's like literally behind me for like two miles and i'm like i think they got me you know what i'm saying

or pulled to the left and then I just kept going to where I was going and I stopped at a liquor store afterwards and then I drank a little bit you know what I'm saying what about your tag sorry what did you cover up your tag I didn't have a tag on you know I know I know what's crazy believe it or not um since my dad has always worked with cars I know a lot of like laws and things that like bro you could go without a tag for miles and a cop won't stop you why because the tag is in the back if they're not behind you by you don't have an officer behind you and if you do you take a quick turn or something they probably won't stop you you know what i'm saying if they're not paying attention like people see police officers as if they had like 15 eyes on you you know what i'm saying and like cameras everywhere and all this stuff this like you have to be realistic with what's really going on like you could be speeding down the road and you see an officer if he's looking at his phone and he's not really he has the meter to check if you're going if you're speeding or not how's he going to stop you right you know and and these are the things that you learn when you're doing

crime, you're just like, okay, this happens if you do this. You have this amount of time, okay, you got a two-minute time frame by the time. But think about it. If you call the officer right now, there's something's happening in this house, how long do you think it's going to take them to get here? No matter how far the distances from the police station to your house, to this place. In this neighborhood? Ten minutes? You know what I'm saying? And then even if you were close by, it'll still take a good like two minutes. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying? So this is a good neighbor to some places that may be right and if you're really far out like rule and then and then also it's like you got to put the demographics all together not just the distance like okay a bank robbery and in and in the suburbs or in a high end place bro like these people will be like wow this is really happening so by the time they kick in and all that stuff you're long gone you know what I'm saying and you don't even have to drive fast as hell because then that's suspicious you just act the the most important thing is to you have to act normal right you have to act normal like nobody knew I was hitting the

bank like nobody knew because if they knew on my way out there had been you would have seen them panicking or something and be like calling the police or whatever you know what I'm saying this woman had had been hit the button by the time I gave my back to her by the time they even come through I was long again I was literally a mile down the road right a mile down the road and they were on their way that way you know and again because it was in the same county now you have two bank robberies in less than like 20, 30 minutes. Right. What the hell is going on in this town?

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, after that, we'll fast forward. I got arrested two days after I was at, I was at my mom's house. Okay, well, real quick, how much money was it? It was less than $5,000. Right. Less than $5.000. I think the average bank robbery, they say it was like $3,500.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't, I can't really remember it's been, it's been so long, but it was like, it was between like two, three grand somewhere around there. It wasn't much, like, and I could have told. older because like I saw like when she opened the till there like I'll be honest with you there was like a stack of of blue strip hundreds and like 50s I could have told her hey let me get that too but I was just like I already have a plan like I'm not really even you know I got some money that's it that's you know because what if I would have told her give me that and she starts yelling or something happens you know what I'm saying like I'm trying to make this as smooth as possible where it's just like okay let's run through this and let's just get it done that's it so um you Yeah. So then two days later, my dad's always been, like, very attentive to, like, his surroundings. And he's always taught me and my brother to do the same, right? And that day in the neighborhood, he noticed a few, like, F-150s, all tinted black and everything with a few cones in the back. And they were parked, like, because where my parents live is a court. So they were seeing that these trucks were coming to court slowly, right, and do the roundabout and leave. And then they were, like, when he drove off to see if it was that. He noticed that on both angles, there was trucks, same. They were parked in different and different sides of the street.

So then when he came back, he came inside. He's like, they're going to rest of you the day. Because I told him what had happened. I was like, hey, listen, you know, because I was already on the news. Right. So before I hit the news. Go ahead. You in your name or just the bank robbery?

The bank robbery. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they ended up having my name the second day because of multiple crime line I'm assuming, because I'm not going to lie, like, the second day is when my phone started blowing up. Like, bro, you are on the news, like a bunch of people that knew me. You are on the news.

I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. How do they know it's you? Just the photos and the bank photos? If you knew me, you knew that was me. You'd be like, yeah, dude, like, that's you. Well, I'm saying if it's a photo, but if you've told nobody, you walked to the bank and left and nobody knew, then they shouldn't get you. Yeah, so they didn't have a description the first day. That's what I'm saying.

But I already had hit the afternoon news. Right. So then they show the photos from the, the, you know, I know what I'm saying? cameras man six feet tall he looks like he's 35 years old if you look up the descriptions online and stuff on the newspapers and whatnot right you'll see that that's kind of like the description they had they added the name after the second day um so they that's what it says on the on the reports and stuff if you look on the clerk or courts or whatever it says everything were literally like i think it was like six seven different calls and then subpoena to court there was over like 60 some

people that were willing to testify against me Yeah. And it's just like when I looked up the names, it's a lot of people I know. I'm like, this is how you know you can't trust anybody. And this is exactly why I do things by myself. Because when it went and granted the for the tip, for the for the crime line tip, the reward was like $5,000, right? I was just like, it's crazy that I'll turn myself in. You know what I'm saying? You should have your dad called. Dad called. Yeah, calling it. You know, there's an extra. Is it okay? Oh, I just kicked it. Sorry. Okay. You should have had your dad call attorney. Yeah, just like, hey, just, just, just, you know what I'm saying? But it's crazy that you put $5,000 on the table and how many people grab and knowing that you're going to prison, you know what I'm saying? Oh, your friendship's cheap, bro.

Yeah, very cheap, very cheap. And, you know, the very few people I have, you know, as friends or family are are people that have demonstrated through time. You know, my friendships are over 10 years, 15. years that I've known, you know, my few friends that I have, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, I don't associate with that much people. I'm very outgoing and I'll spark a conversation with anybody, but like to say, hey, I consider your friend or family, it's very hard for me, you know, especially through all these life circumstances. So yeah, the day of the rest,

my dad was literally telling me is like, they're coming for you today. Just so you know, there's multiple trucks that are not from here and they're doing loops every, like, hour they're coming in to see what's going on and so the commotion started like around 630 at night in the afternoon i was i remember i just ate an amazing plate of food my grandma was from puerto rico she was over here on vacation she had just made this good plate of food i was eating i watched fantastic for and out of nowhere my brother had got back from work and i hear commotion just like get on the ground get on the ground and i look outside the window and they got my brother on the ground. So I end up running through the back. And then my dad was outside already

kind of like talking to the cops or whatever. I guess they had asked him, hey, we're, we're Shamir. And when I run out through the back, man, I'm talking about like a seven foot tall halt. This big motherfucker dude, literally just grabs me through my back and like throws me to the floor, right? Is this man all in the backyard? And bro just guns pointed all at me. You know what I'm saying? You Shemir Kirill? I'm like, yeah, what's going on? I'm just acting crazy, you know what I'm saying?

I knew what time it was. And I was just like, this is the beginning of, you know, new phase in my damn life, you know? And they had asked me, they're like, do you know, do you know why we're here? I'm like, honestly, no, it's right? So when I tell you, when we got to the front of the house, the amount of police that was out there and private investigators and all these people out there, there was like, 15, 20 vehicles out there. I couldn't believe it.

I'm like, who are you guys arresting, bro? Like, this is not so serious, man. Right. But because the notes said that I was armed, you know what I'm saying? They're like, okay, he's armed or whatever. So he's armed and dangerous is what they were putting on on the news. Big whoop. And I'm assuming that when they got my name as well, when they looked me up and they're like,

okay, this guy's got a concealing carry. I'm assuming they put two and two together. Right. So, but when they arrested me, I wasn't armed. And so, yeah, they went inside the house, grabbed a bunch of, like, evidence or whatever they were looking for. I don't know. And they find the note? No, no, no clothes.

None of that stuff was around. Of course not, you know. I had my clothes nicely folded up and the note was laying on top of it. The gun was underneath. Yeah, I know it's a stupid crime, man. But honestly, it's what saved my life, man, honestly. So I ended up that day going to the police. police department they they put me in an investigation interrogation room or whatever and they're like

they open up this big as binder with a bunch of pictures and shit and then I'm just like literally I'm fucking with them I literally grab like each page and I just start slapping them over like and just like literally like whacking through the pictures and I'm like you guys got the wrong guy they're like we know this is you man like stop like this is your face and I'm like sir honestly can you just book me in the county so I could go to sleep it's it's like nine o'clock already like right so they put me in in a cell little cell that's across the interrogation room for like an hour then they pull me on they're like all right so you're ready to talk and i'm like i already told you book me in the county that's it

you know and so they ended up taking me they're like right you don't want to cooperate that's fine you know i'm in court of law we're gonna prove you wrong and you're going to go away for a long time. Okay, great. Right. You know, I didn't say anything after that. And so he booked me in the county. When I went to first appearance, the judge said, like, oh, we're not going to grant you bond. And I'm like, how are you not going to grant me bond on a case like this? Like, this is incredible. Just mistaken identity. I don't know. Yeah. Whatever, you know what I'm saying? Bullshit, they want to come up with or whatever. But, you know, I was just like, you know, whatever. So I guess She's like, but I'm, she said, we're not supposed to grant you a bond was her words,

but we're going to do this for you. And it was like, I think a $30,000 bond if done, it was like three, four grand to get me out. So my people got me out. Did you tell her that's more than I stole from the bank? That's incredible. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, what are you guys doing? Like, you guys are fucked up.

But anyway, so. But your honor. Yeah, I wasn't even tripping. Like, none of those thoughts actually really came through my head. you know because i'm just like these people are fucking stupid like they don't even understand like what people think sometimes you know but um so yeah so then like two weeks later they came up with bond i got bonded out we fought the case i got a private attorney we fought the case for i think like nine or ten months and then my attorney is like hey you know you're gonna do

prison time or whatever i'm like yeah that's fine um i was just like you know it was like like November. I was like, just give me till like the beginning of the year so I could at least be with Christmas and stuff with my family or whatever. And then I'll take off and go, go upstate or whatever. She's like, all right, cool. So then I got sentenced January 17th or 2019 to three years in prison and a 10 years paper. And this is in the state. So it didn't go federal because of the amount of money. The FDIC works very weird, which I found it weird because at first when I did a little bit of my research I'm like okay I'll do federal time like fuck that shit you know like you know I'll go to Coleman or whatever here in Florida or wherever

they send it me anyways but um yeah so the the the the feds didn't pick up the case they they just sent it to the state or whatever and yeah so they sent us me a three years 10 years paper that's the best deal they could give me because they started off I think with like 15 years I was just like who the fuck is going to sign for 15 years like bro like Like stop that. You know, I'll do, I'll do some time, but like, God damn, you know. So, so, yeah, so then I signed a week later, they transferred me from the county jail and went to prison. We could talk about prison now.

A lot of, a lot of the homies already had told me how it was, how you got to go, who you got to report to and whatnot. So I have a buddy, by the way, that also robbed, I met in Coleman. I want to say he'd robbed two or three banks with a note. He was sitting down somewhere at, like, a Starbucks or something. You know how they have the, they have, like, the bar. Sometimes they'll have a long bar with a bunch of stools, and it faced out. Right. So, like, the main store is behind him.

He said, I'm sitting there, you know, watching the traffic go by. And he was addicted to heroin. Okay. And his girlfriend had left him, too. I remember forget his girlfriend had left him. And he's sitting there, stirring his coffee. And he said, I looked over at this bank. He's his little tiny bank.

Like, he's, like, very small. He was, like, in the inner city or not. downtown area and he said he's sitting there looking at the bank and he was like there's no cop in that bank he's like like there's three tellers and it's really kind of like a not like a standalone bank but it was like in the like a plaza like a shopping mall kind of thing yeah or you know just like a strip mall you know downtown and he said now I'm watching is I watch it for like 30 minutes and people are coming in they're giving their money they're doing the transaction leaving and he said I'm sitting there and I'm like there's no cop yeah and he went huh

And he said, and I had, she had no money. Like literally he's being evicted, the whole thing. Yeah. And he went, I'm going to rob that bank. And he was like, what should I do? Like, what do I need to disguise? And he's like, and there was a store on the corner across the street, but on the corner. And he went, I'm going to go buy a baseball cap.

So he sits down. He goes and he writes a note. Right. He knew, he said, I knew, like, I didn't have a gun. I knew if you wrote a note, you should. threaten him. Right. So I wrote a note. Yeah. And he said, I left, went down there. I bought like a baseball cap, put the cap on, walked across the street, walked down there, walked in the bank, right. Walked up, gave him the note. And the woman said something like that, like what you

were saying was something like, oh, she either she got scared or she was like, are you serious? He's like, I'm serious. And she's like, oh, okay. And she gave him, you know, what if she took the drawer and she popped up pop pop pop pop pop pop and he said don't get something like he said something like don't give me any dye patches don't any yeah she gave him the money he scooped it up I want to say he got like a like a lot of money like it was like seven or eight not that that's a lot of money but in comparison to the average of 3500 right right you know some people get 500 bucks some people get 7000 some people get 15 or 20 anyway he got like a chunk of money like seven or eight grand whatever it was it was it was higher than average and he left he said and I spent

it in the next whatever, week or two. It is gone. And he said, you know, I caught up my rent. I did this. I did that. He said, you know, whatever was a month later or something, he's like, I needed money. I want to say maybe he might have robbed another bank. Right.

But what I do know for sure is he said he went back to Starbucks, watch the video. Right. And he robbed the same bank again. He went and put a baseball cap on, wrote another note, walked in, did the thing. And so he said, and I left. Right. He's like, because nobody ever showed up. He's like, I'm now up rocked like two, three banks.

Nobody showed up. So anyway, he paid, he had a little bit money because he was leaving wherever he was. I forget where it was. But it was him and his girlfriend had moved there. She broke up with him, whatever. It's over. He gets into his car and he leaves. He came to Florida.

Okay. Three years go by. He starts, well, he starts selling cars. He's doing wealth. He said, three years to go by. I'm driving down the road one day. He said, I get pulled over. He said, he'd done something.

He's like, I knew. like, I forget what he did. It was speeding or something. He was like, I knew why they pulled me over. I pulled me over. He said, I'm sitting there. The cop comes up. He gives him his driver's license, whatever, the guy leaves, goes back to the car.

He said, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, waiting. I'm like, God, this is really taking a long time. He said, and then another cop or trooper or whatever pulls up. He was on parks. He said, it's weird. So then he's on it. He said, then I see another one pull up. Oh, I don't know.

He said, I went, this is nuts. He's like, what's going on? He said, the cop walks. He said, then they walk up and boom, next thing they know, they're pulling their guns. And get out, get out of the car. He's like, what the fuck? Yeah. He's like, so I get out of the car.

They make me get on my knees, my belly, the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, I don't know what's going on. I don't know if it was right then or when he got downtown, he said he realized. Like, like, he's like, what are you arresting me for? And whatever it was, they said, you know, bank robbery. And he thought, oh, that? Like, he is like that.

That was years ago. Oh, that's crazy. But what ended up happening was, and they never would have caught him. It just so happened on the first robbery, by the way, he had, when he walked in, he had, like, made sure he didn't, he kind of pushed the door or whatever. But for some reason, he said, when I walked out, I happened to have touched the door. And he said it was like, just like two fingers, like pushed it. Or as he walked away, he's like, I just happened to touch it. And they dusted it and they found the prints.

And they put a warrant out. And it happened to be three years. He's like, like, they'd been, the whole time, the warrant had been out for three years. Yeah. He said three years later, or they pulled in when they got, he ran his driver's license because I think the car was a, was a dealer car. Okay, okay. So initially they didn't know who was in it. When they got his ID, they went a warrant, bank robbery.

But he got three, I think he got three or four years for like three, two or three bank robbers. And it's, it's crazy because, you know, now talking about prison, a lot of people be like, who'd you snitch on, who'd you proffer on and all these things. And I'm just like, you don't get a lot of time for the note. You don't, you know what I'm saying? But they don't know any better, you know, everybody in prison always knows the most. And then, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you encountered in federal prison a bunch of dudes that thought they knew the whole world. Yeah.

You know, and then they think that, you know, they're the biggest dope dealer in town and they've done the biggest crimes and all this stuff. And it's just, it's such an ignorant mentality. And that's how you know, like a lot of these dudes don't really know how to think. You know what I'm saying? They're always a massive dope dealer. But they got too much time. It's like if you were moving, if you're moving the amount of drugs that you're saying you're moving, then you got the appropriate time.

Yeah. And you probably wouldn't even be in a state like this, you know. And they would have you in a maximum security and another rural, fucking state where nobody can find you, you know. Something. Yeah. You know, like a shop or something. It doesn't make sense.

Yeah, yeah. There's stories don't add up. That's why I was like, you know, because this is the first time I actually like share my story like on a bigger platform or whatever. but it's because I'm not afraid to be honest about the stupid shit I did and that it was it was dumb and it makes no sense but like it's for for the younger generation or people that are thinking on doing things like this like bro like think twice before you do something you know what I'm saying and and make sure that it makes sense you know what I'm saying and I don't I don't condone no crime you know what I'm saying even though I did it because at the end of the day what does it lead you to failure you know what I'm saying you might gain a lot of things because Because again, you know, I say it saved my life and I gained a whole lot of, you know, knowledge, wisdom and understanding through the way and how to deal with people, life skills, all types of stuff. You know what I'm saying? How to be on my own.

How to how to think for my own. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, back in the day, young and vulnerable, obviously you're highly influenced by the people around you. You know what I'm saying? So that's just how I thought. Can I ask you a question? Did you get charged with two bank robberies? Or they just charged you?

Okay, so what they did was, like the paperwork I showed you earlier, if you looked at it, it's the robbery with the deadly weapon, which was the first degree, attempt of robbery. Okay. So essentially because I didn't take money from the first one, that's that charge, and then grand theft, which is obviously the amount of money. All right. So they still charged me with the weapon, even though I didn't even show the weapon. They say that supposedly that when I took off, because I had like a little mini bag on me to put the money in, that you could see it when I'm like taking it off. which I didn't even take it off the way they say they did

and they didn't even show the video because we didn't go to trial or anything that they could see the gun it's just like you guys the only thing that you could you know I guess talk about is maybe what the note said but you guys don't even have the note

to be like hey the note actually said this this is something this woman could have just said you know right so at the end of the day I took it for what it was again it's just like I'm just trying to cool down my life I'm trying to change my ways and just stop doing what I was doing because it's just like

you know, I prefer being alive and I guess poor at this point than, then, then being rich and having to look over my back every damn time, you know what I'm saying? Right. That's just my thought process now. And I guess at that time, you know, when you're under pressure, you're just like, okay, you know, are you running from the streets because you're scared or are you running for the streets because you're tired of it? You got what I'm saying? In my case, I was just sick and tired of this shit. I'm just like, bro, like, this is not living. you know what I'm saying like I could bang it out with somebody in that time you know what I'm saying

I don't care you know what I'm saying like again I walked into the bank under no influence of no substance you know what I'm saying and everything else that I did was the same way you know what I'm saying way worse crimes you know what I'm saying where I would hurt people you know um but yeah that's just that's just what my thought process was at the moment while I was in prison you know for the most part It's crazy to say, I think I had probably one of the smoothest bids anybody could have. Job-wise, the institutions I went to, I never went to, like, I stayed in reception centers for some reason. They kept me at the Orlando reception center for a month while I did the reception process. And then after that, they shipped me to the panhandle to Lake Butler, which is another, that's probably, I think, the first reception center in the state of Florida to, I'm not sure.

but I think so. It's one of the oldest reception centers for sure here in the state of Florida. And I ended up becoming a permanent there, and I did most of my time there. And then my last seven months of my bid, I ended up coming back down to Orlando and worked in the kitchen. But I was a staff barber. They wanted me to be the barber on the compound, but I was just like, I do not want to deal with all these motherfuckers and their hair, you know what I'm saying? Right. It's not happening.

They're very particular, by the way. The hair cut is very ridiculous. Yeah, and it's just like, at least here in, I don't know, in federal, I think they're more lenient in federal with the haircuts and stuff like that. Here, it's like, and in the state, it's like you can't have fades. If you have a bald head, you're part of like, you know, the Aryan Brotherhood or whatever, you know. And so it was just, it was very tough within the compound to just do that. So I was just like, I'm not going to cut these people here. I don't care how much money I'm making.

And then, you know, overall, like, I never got to. into a fight. There was a lot of altercations, of course, but, you know, when you're like one of the people on the, you know, in like the pods or whatever that is supplying a lot of people food and like you're helping other people and you're just, you know what I'm saying? Right. You're giving people something to read or whatever may be minutes on the phone. Like people want to, they'll protect you before anybody else. Why? Because you're the one that's supplying everything in here. You know what I'm saying? You have value. Yeah. Exactly. So that's something I learned very, quick and i was just like okay if i put some cigarettes and and some cell phones in here and certain

things some contraband or whatever and you know i i can for example like a few people that had like clippers their own clippers in and in the chain gang or whatever i would cut their hair you know because it was just kind of like personal like okay you're my friend like i i could shape you up or something whatever that i didn't have a problem with that but like actually being the barber yeah i was just like no so then when i became a staff barber it was actually a paid job like like the state will pay you, and then you get your own little shop to yourself with TV, AC, all these things. And you know, it's crazy. It's because there's so many haters, you're like, oh, this guy is now snitching and talking to the police and all that stuff.

And it's just like, bro, like, your file is probably say you've been snitching to the police and everybody out on the street. I'm over here just doing my time and getting whatever they give me, I guess, you know what I'm saying? Because I can't really choose a job until, like, a certain amount of time, you know? And I was always getting transferred between like the main unit, West unit, and like the work camps and stuff like that. So it was always, you know, it was a tough time. And then on top of that, it was even worse because it's COVID. When COVID hit, worst time to be in fucking prison. Right.

You know what I'm saying? They fucking had like cloth masks on you and fucking you couldn't even breathe in them motherfuckers. You had to put like your like the mask down just to be able to breathe. No visitation. The canteen closed down. And the only time you could have a little bit of canteen was literally you had to order on like a piece of paper and sometimes they'd fuck up your orders and not even have most your canteen. So, you know, I just, I, it wasn't a terrible bit, you know what I'm saying, in comparison

of other people. And I think nowadays, a lot of people over exaggerate their time in prison, whether federal or state, especially state, because, you know, you have a lot of junkies within the state of Florida, at least in the prison system. And again, the reception centers, that's another thing. People would be like, oh, that wasn't really prison. But it's just like, bro, you have everybody in the state. state of Florida going through these prisons. There's fights and everything popping off at all times

in these places, you know what I'm saying? But like, it's not as crazy as people seem it to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, for example, you know, just like a stabbing happened or something like that. Like that was one in a blue moon. You know what I'm saying? Like there's certain compounds in the state that I know for a factor's like war going on at all times. But that's like now the state of Florida, before I got out of prison, they ended up literally like separating, like, anybody that's a gang, they're going to the panhandle, anybody that's got short time, they're going to the, to the closest reception center to their house. They're doing new, new programs and all this stuff. So, like, they have literally segregated the prison system in general to, to, you know,

make it as controlled as possible where people are not, now they brought tablets and now you can watch movies and TV and all that that just eliminated 70 or 60% of the violence right there you know what I'm saying like these dudes are just chilling watching TV but why are they doing this this is a business this is something that I wanted to bring on here today and bring awareness to which is which state has the most privatized prisons and the whole nation is it California or is it's Florida is it is I didn't know that I would have assumed it was California for just because they have so many people right so then that's another thing too There are states that are bigger that do have more prisons, but a lot of them, it's just the state.

But privatized itself, the state of Florida has the most. Another thing, too, something that changed my life while I was in prison is like literally reading, bro. Like, you know, I couldn't tell you had good grammar, reading comprehension. I felt a second grade because I couldn't read. I felt because of reading comprehension. I was able to read all types of stuff, and that's how I became educated. And I was just like, I need to use this time to build and transcend to a different me. So when I get out, I could do something with my damn life.

You know what I'm saying? The things that I probably didn't want to do in the past now is something that I might have to consider doing. You know what I'm saying? And I had to change my mind. So that's another thing. The state of Florida has over 20,000 books banned from the prison system. Listen. Wow, that's a lot of books.

Yes. It's terrible, man. And then it's just like books that I received when I was in, which was, you know, I got out of in 2021, you know, they have already banned all these books, too, that I used to receive, you know what I'm saying? Whether it's a stock market book, biology, biology, sociology, all these types of things that you can learn. They're just doing it because they want you to, do you know, I mean, I'm not going to be political or anything like that, but the governor that we have now in the state, if you go to the universities, right now I'm enrolled in college, he is literally

eliminating so much things and so many books. from our curriculum, for many reasons, whatever his agenda is. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like, bro, why are you stopping people from learning these things? They don't want you to learn. That's why these things exist, too. You know what I'm saying? They want you to be entertained.

They don't want you to learn the things that they're doing and the things they know. You know what I'm saying? Let alone in prison where you have six, seven, eight hours a day where you could read and go through a whole three, four hundred page book in a day or two. You know what I'm saying? They don't want you. That's why they took out all the weights and stuff in the prison system, too. You don't, I don't know a prison in the state of Florida that has a wait room or that has anything like that.

Everything is calisthenics, you know what I'm saying? Why is it? They don't want you to be strong. They don't want you to learn these things. They don't want you to do these things. And it's getting to the point that now even out in the free world and society, they want you to be fucking stupid, essentially. You know what I'm saying? And it's sad that we're living in these times, you know what I'm saying?

So we just went over this in the last podcast where I was saying like if you get a high school diploma in the United States like what they've trained you to do is be an employee. That's it. They don't train you on how to how to balance your checkbook. Their finances. They don't explain 401ks or IRAs or stocks or nothing. Like they don't they they don't there's nothing about yeah you know running a business or or managing credit or finances and it's crazy because I have a friend that that's still in incarcerated that I was trying to send that's how I found out about the stockbooks that I received got banned because when I went to send him to him they sent them right back to Amazon and then they were also thinking of taking out Barron's the Wall Street Journal out of out of the prisons

too I don't know if it's going to happen but they were considering it and that's just so crazy that like nothing on the economics portion or anything of like real estate or stuff like that they're letting you read this content anymore, you know what I'm saying? And it's sad because it's just like, what are you doing? You know what I'm saying? But again, they're just trying to make money. And they're trying to control society in many ways. You know what I'm saying?

I know like in a federal prison, I don't know if it's all the states, but the book that they, I think they banned it, but it was one of the most popular books being ordered was the, is it 48 or 49 laws? 48 laws of power. Yeah, that they banned that. Yeah, which is funny because I don't really know that it's such a horrible book. I'm not sure why you would ban it. Like, it doesn't make sense.

It is a little bit macabre. It's a little bit Machavelian, you know what I'm saying? It's a little dark, right? There are some dark, but I also think that the rules, if you, or if they were phrased in a different way, it wouldn't be such a big deal. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They want you, they want you to be, it's an agenda, again, you know, whatever people want to look at it as, if you're a conspiracy theorist or you're not, or I just, firmly believe in what's in front of me, you know what I'm saying? And that's it. You know,

like, if, if, if you're doing this to, to fuck up somebody's mentality, then that's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? If you want somebody to be stagnant and not, and not progress and move forward, you know, I'm a firm believer and I'm going to keep seeking. I'm going to keep on looking for what I need in my life in order to progress and succeed, you know what I'm saying? So if everybody else just wants to go with whatever system is occurring, then that's perfectly fine. You know what I'm saying? I've always, that's, that's one of been, one of my main motivations to do anything that I've done, whether if it was life of crime or the things I'm doing now, is I want to be, I want to live at a certain standard. And I put these standards up

to as goals, you know what I'm saying? Like I want to live in a good house. I want to have a good car and I want to be able to travel the world and do all these things. You know what I'm saying? People have their motives for whatever reason. They want to do things. You know what I'm saying? And so I just always, I always try to keep that as, as one of my main motivations, just stay focused on what I need to stay focused on, no matter if somebody's telling me, hey, don't do that. Like, okay, you're the government and you could only tell me so much here in the United States. If I go anywhere else, you can't tell me a fuck thing. You know what I'm saying? Well, what are you doing now?

So right now I do the stock market. I do, I trade eminiti futures for the SMP 500. And what is it? E mini futures. E mini futures? Futures, yeah. Okay. It's like trading commodities, essentially.

Day trading essentially. Like, Forex? No, Forex is more the difference in value of currencies. Yeah, yeah. I've dived into that before, but I don't really like it as much. I can't find a flow on it. So I just usually day trade from like 9.30 in the morning to like 11, 12, the latest. Because like they say anybody that knows about the stock market, they'll be like, you know,

the amateurs open it, and then the big dogs close the market. So you got to take advantage of the people that don't know what they're doing in the market in an early morning and take their money, essentially. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm doing right now other than going to school. I'm studying economics right now. I'm trying to major in economics. What about the podcast?

Okay. Is that something on the side? No, so I do the podcast. We release a podcast. It's called Bunk Podcast, building up my personality. That's the acronym. And it's about mental health, positivity. and, you know, life experiences,

any guests that we have, essentially we dive into any life circumstance they've been through and their ups and downs. How long? How long have you been doing it? So I started, we started recording last year in November, but we released our first episode at the end of January of this year. So we've been almost like six months now doing that podcast.

It's been a lot of responsibility, honestly, because I do, you know, all the recording, because my brother's my co-host so we do all the recording but like all the editing portion and all that stuff i do it myself so i got a lot of my play when it comes to the podcast like probably like three days out of the week i'm doing the podcast one thing or another if i'm reaching out to get a guest on or actually the editing portion coming up a new concepts reading a book and trying to get some ideas to to incorporate for a certain topic if we don't have a guest on the podcast and whatnot so or is it like in-person guests yes yes for the most part we've had one that

was online his name is james arnold taylor he's a voice actor and anybody that's like a star wars who's he voices obi one and plow coon on the clone wars okay and he's done fred flintstone and a bunch of other like if you look him up he's got like a five million view video on youtube on his channel uh he's pretty well known in the voice acting industry so we had him on because my brother knows him personally. And we've had a few other guests, you know, like local music artists, some state representatives and whatnot. We just incorporate anybody because we're not trying to be prejudiced on, you know, who comes on. At the end of the day, that's one of the main problems I think society has is that they're very judgmental and prejudice towards the first thing they

see. You know what I'm saying? It's like we were talking earlier on the thumbnails of a YouTube channel, you know, it says a lot about the content of the video, even though it, you know, people get an impression on what they see the first thing they see essentially but it's like this might be great content but you didn't give it an opportunity just because of the thumbnail you know right so they're judging a book by its cover which is a topic we actually covered recently on the podcast so you know we do all that kind of stuff when it comes to like mental health and just the way people think in general right do you have anything yeah i got just a couple questions so i guess is there how do you get out of the gang

Like, okay, so. Yeah, like, are you back in Orlando? Did you go back to Orlando? Yeah, I'm back in Orlando. So, um. Or can you get out again? Because I don't go into prison, forfeit everything. Shouldn't that right then?

Shouldn't that invalidate any agreement? So something I can share is that you will always be a part of this nation. But if you have like children or you show. that you want to progress because the ideals of this nation have been since 1946 we've been around and essentially it started as a movement to to progress and and to and to and to move forward in life right so our ideals and and and what we believe in is to move forward and to succeed so if you give a reason to the higher ups within the nation that you are doing these things and you're doing right,

they will literally, and if you have a son or a kid or you get married and you want to just progress, they technically give you a pass, but you're still a part of the nation. Like you never, at least with us, you're always considered what you are. But in other gangs in situations like that, I can't really say, hey, how do you get out of a gang?

I can't really tell you that, you know? So essentially, no, I'm not out of it. And like, for example, they did register me, in the state of Florida when I was in prison as what I am. So, you know, it's there. It's in the system. And like, if a police officer stops me, they'll see it on the file. It's there.

You know what I'm saying? Right. You know, they could call the gang task force if they want to. But, I mean, I've been a few traffic stops for whatever reason and it's never happened, you know. They know who's doing right, who's doing wrong, you know. They have people within the nation, too, that literally, you know, are top. or the spokesman for law enforcement, which is sad, you know what I'm saying?

Because people play multiple papers and multiple personalities, and I personally don't like that. If I'm loyal to you, I'm loyal to you, and I don't have to say it, I just show it by my actions. You know what I'm saying? So that's just how I feel about that. So in the time when you were planning to go to prison, how do you go about choosing the crime to commit to go to prison? That's so hilarious. I'm planning to go to prison. It's crazy. That sounds, man.

man honestly it just depends like i mean i kind of stayed within the branch of robbing you know what i'm saying so i mean anybody could do anything they want you yours was fraud correct so you're technically stealing just in a yeah i was going to say i'm not going to pick something i'm not going to suddenly pick drug dealing because i don't know anything about it right i don't know what they're going to give me like i don't know yeah you know so i mean i just that's why i say i just i can't i will never be the person to be like, hey, this is, you know, this is a crime you need to do in order to go to prison or, hey, this, you know, I mean, any crime could send you to prison as, you know, if you do it multiple times or whatever, you know, I just think that it depends your life circumstances. At the

end of the day, I, I, I had a situation where it's a life and death situation and I know it's close by, you know, there's a lot of things I wish I could share on this podcast, but I can't because it's, you know, it's just things of the street and I'm on probation as well. So I have to watch out what I say, you know, sadly, but at the end of the day, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, I just don't condone people to do crime, you know what I'm saying? And it's awesome to see, like, you know, documentaries of this kind of stuff and, like, a podcast like this, watch people and their experiences and stuff, you know, because I think that crime in general brings in adrenaline rush to most people, if they see it on a movie or on a video game or whatnot. Right. So I understand,

you know, the concept in general, it's just like, You know, that's how I would answer that question, man. Like, I really wouldn't, you know, if you were to do something, just stay in what you know, you know. Yeah, I was just curious. I don't know if you're, like, looking, okay, this has a, this has like a mandatory minimum or like a maximum. Right. So when it came to the time, obviously, I'm like, okay, you know, I could do some time, but not so much where I'm losing out on so much in life. You know what I'm saying? Anything in the lapse of time. I mean, even in the three years I was in, there's so much that changed.

in central Florida, you know what I'm saying? And then in different things, you know, like the cryptocurrency boom came out and and then freaking technology was getting even better than what it was. And there's so many things infrastructure changed. People moved away and all these things happened. So imagine like, okay, I do a crime that's going to cost me 15, 20, 30 years. You know what I'm saying? And I think most criminals don't even think that way, you know what I'm saying?

I just thought about it at that moment because I'm like, okay, I need to get out of the situation I'm in, you know what I'm saying? but, you know, I don't think any criminal really thinks. And you said moving wasn't an option just because you'd rather, I guess you'd rather go to prison than you. Just think about it like this. If you're, okay, if you're an uneducated person, right, and they put you to take a college test, what is the percent you think this person will actually pass that test if you're uneducated? Yeah, very low.

It's very minimal. Why? Because they're close-minded. They don't know any better. They don't know. So to me, that's how I felt when it came to, like, I just recently last year went to Tennessee with my son and my girlfriend, man. And it's the first state I've ever traveled to, you know, in my whole life and seeing the

views of scenery and all the things that are out there, man. It's just like, wow, like there's so much out in this world to experience that it made me feel so good about life, you know what I'm saying, and appreciative that at that time I didn't see nothing else in Florida, you know what I'm saying? saying like where do i go you know what i'm saying like if if i have family that cares about me and they're here then i'm here you know what i'm saying so at the time i really didn't see moving like a thing you know what i'm saying like okay well even if i had 30 40 50 000 to my name at the time you know where do i go what do i do i do i start from zero it was just too much to to well i've mentioned

this before that most people can't conceive of of going so like they'll turn you themselves like they'll get sentenced to 10 years or 12 years right and they'll self-surrender was like if i got 12 years and i was out on bond like i'm leaving but most people will actually show up you're like you're like you're like you're like and and they're like yeah and but most people can't conceive of being in a situation where they couldn't communicate with their family or see their family they're like yeah well you know it was here it's closed my family can come see me it's like to me it's like and you don't get a new fucking family what are you talking about like I'm but most people don't think that way and you know what's sad too is that like a lot of

criminals think that oh you're from the street you don't really have a family you you were you're uprising you know you maybe had a single mother or a single father that's why you kind of sidetracked and that stuff but look at like the biggest criminals on the planet the people that are actually doing big things like pablo escobar and chapo all these people these people have all their family around them they have kids they have all these things going on And their downfall realistically was also having a family. Why? You know, Pavel Escobar, if you know a lot about him, you know that a very, one of the most important things to him was his family, even though he had his double life, which was his family and his good part and also his bad part doing all the dope dealing and the trafficking and the assassinations and all these things.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think that, again, life is, everybody has their own perspective, their own. thought process and their way of thinking you know and i i respect everybody's opinions but at the same time i feel like a lot of people have misconceptions on the how criminals you know really look or who they are you know what i'm saying i don't know if it was paulo escobar that like they people had mentioned to him about leaving like columbia like going on the run and stuff right and was it the only or was it chopper where he'd only left once like he'd only like one of them had only left like It was probably a Chapo because Pablo Escobar traveled the world.

Oh, okay. So it was, it was, yeah, he, so it was Choppel. Like he couldn't, he was like, no, I, I was born in Mexico. I'll die in Mexico. Obviously, he's not going to die in Mexico. But the point is, is that he, like, he couldn't conceive of, like, getting plastic surgery, you know, lose 50 pounds, get plastic surgery and fucking go retire in the, you know, in France or something. Couldn't even, like, I, well, why, I can't do that. Like, I, you know, first of all, you know, he's got multiple kids.

He's got a wife. He's got friends. It's like, you know, but, you know, it's, it's hard for, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a hard thing for most people to do to leave their friend, they're, what, what they're familiar with. Right. You know, you know, but then again, I don't know. And that's, that's, that was one of the main reasons where I'm just like, I mean, you know, do you prefer your family to see you in a, in a, in a tomb every day for the rest of their lives, or they could at least come see me at a prison for a little bit of time. of time and you know things will get better down the road you know and yes they suffer to you being in prison or whatnot and they have to sacrifice a lot of things but it was just more of a

feasible option for me at the time honestly to to get out of the street i mean especially how young i was i was just like like am i really going to throw my life away killing someone or doing some crazy thing that will literally get me caught up with this amount of time you know what i'm saying And it's just like, I love the rush at the time of crime and all these things. But when things really got serious, which is the bad part, essentially, you're just like, now you're like, okay, you're reevaluate if you actually care about yourself. But if you don't care about yourself, you just kind of go with it and end up like most people that they prefer dying, doing crime or end up in prison for the rest of their lives.

You know what I'm saying? Because there's a lot of people, I'm assuming that you saw while you were in prison, that they got a life sentence, but they still haven't learned anything. They just, they feel the same way they felt the same day they walked into prison as the 20 years, 30 years they've already been in. And it's sad because it's just like, I think life in general is about growing and it's about learning and understanding. You know what I'm saying? Like, why stay in the same thing? You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, I'm assuming after you done your time and everything, you're just like, okay, well, for example, this is a good example. You got a podcast of crime and things that have happened with people. Maybe you've had people that still do crime. I don't know, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, you probably did this to show society that you're trying to better yourself and that the things you did. Maybe you're not sorry and you don't feel bad about the things you did, you know, or, you know, whatever you feel. But at the end of the day, you want to prove to society something, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, I'm bettering myself whatever way possible, you know?

I'm just trying to make some money, bro. Yeah, yeah, of course. No, but I also know that this very few things interest me other than talking to people about, like, crime stories. Like I don't take a lot of interest in other people, you know, like, and I think I'm sure I've said this before. but like, you know, some guy who, you know, some guy who went to high school, graduated high school, went to college, you know, married his high school, you know, is college sweetheart or, you know, high school sweetheart, you know, has three kids, teach his little league. Like, like, that's a great guy, but I can't imagine sitting there talking to that guy about his story for, you know, two hours because, you know, I just summed up his story, you know. So, but somebody who's, you know, robbed six fucking banks or smuggled drugs or done these things that I'm like, oh, my God. Like, were you scared?

Were you like, what do you mean? You loaded up the plane with fucking 600 pounds. Like, what were you? Like, how are you even caught thinking about that? I just feel like it's like in your case, it's like you, anything that brings to your attention that, that, that interest is essentially that's your interest. Yeah, that's my interest. And it's to be respected. And anybody that doesn't care about crime will watch this podcast.

And anybody that does will, hey, you know. Listen, there's some guys that are good, you know, they want to watch stuff about real estate or finance. Like, that's fine. I get it. But it doesn't really interest me. Yeah. Any, you know, anymore. But this interests me, you know, like that.

Yeah, of course. Especially unique stories, stuff that I had heard before where I'm like, you know, it's like you did like how. Like, how did you think of that? Like, that interests me. Sure. Um, you know, so I, I found myself super interested. I was interested prior to that, but it was just watching movies, but then you go to prison, you're surrounded by these guys and you look at their character and, you know,

someone were a psychopaths and some of them like, wow, you're like a really good guy. Like, why did you do this? Yeah. Then you start talking to him. You're like, oh, okay, that is certain to make sense now. Yeah. So I just kind of thought while I was in prison, like if I could make money somehow or another doing this or, you know, telling these stories or that would be cool.

and then I got out and this slowly evolved. But it wasn't because I got out and I thought, I want to give back to the community. Like that wasn't it. You know, that wasn't it. It was like, how can I continue this interest of mine and get paid?

And I heard true crime podcasts were big. Not like this, but, you know, it's just, but you don't, you know, you set a goal,

you move towards it. Mm-hmm. You don't typically know how you're going to get there. Right. Things change. And typically when you get to the, to the idea that you have, had a lot of times you get there and it's not even the same it's not even the same thing like

you never achieve what you thought it was going to be right but you eventually get there and it's like wow this works like I like this is maybe maybe this is a better format than what my idea was yeah to begin with and that's kind of what this is turned into for sure it's super cool you know yeah because I can't I just you know talking to somebody for fucking hours on end yeah this is what I have no problem talking to somebody hours yeah and then that you have experiences and it's just, it's equal in general, like, to be able to relate to people. And, like, for example, my podcast, I don't feel like it's giving back to society. It's more like we all have our struggles, our trials and tribulations, you know what I'm saying?

So I, that's how I bring the perspectives on to my podcast where it's like, you've been through a situation. You did 13 years in prison. So, of course, you're a person. I would love to have on a podcast. Why? Because you've been through situations just like me and you understand what I. I've been through, but also there's other people that have been through situations that doesn't have to do with prison, but I've had it very tough and very rough through their whole

life as well, you know what I'm saying? Have you seen a soft white underbelly? No. Like, there's a guy, Mark Leda, and he does soft white underbelly. You have to check it out. Like, he tells these, he, he, and it's super cool, because he doesn't really, he doesn't really interview them as much as he has, he does interview, ask a few questions. Right.

But he's not on camera. Like, he's never, he's off camera. I mean, you just go and you sit down on a stool, and he kind of starts it off. Right. And then it kind of just runs, you know, like you as you kind of tell. And a lot of them are really choppy because he's, he's interviewing people that have addiction problems mostly. And but for like for him, his whole thing is kind of giving back to society because he's like, these people have really, like there are these people that have, you know, super heartfelt stories about addiction and tragedy. And he thought he wanted to spend.

the rest of his life doing that. And this is a guy who obviously he worked in, he worked in advertising. He was a famous photographer, a videographer. He's worked for everybody from Apple to Nike, you know, multi-millionaire. And he got to this point when he had retired and he thought, what do I want to do with the rest of my life? And he thought, you know what I want to do? I want to tell these stories of these people that nobody's paying attention to. But they have amazing stories and they have tragic stories and I want to tell those stories. Right. And so that's what he does.

You know, that's not me. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like he's going broke doing this. And it's like, you know, he's super not a social worker, but, you know, someone who's really goes out and his heart goes out to these people and he wants to help them and he wants to tell their story. And it's like he's one of these guys that probably would donate his time to feeding the homeless

and stuff, you know. And like, you know, like the world needs those. people. I'm not doing it. I have no interest in doing it. But I do admit the world does need you to do that. Like I don't want to do it. So I look at him and I'm like, wow, like he's an amazing individual. And I've always, I've always looked at life like everybody has their purpose in life, right? Right. But also like I do consider that there is a lot of people out there that are miscellaneous where I'm just like, what are you doing with your life? Like what do you got going on? And at this season in my life, I'm just very, like, networking is the most important thing to me.

Like, okay, what's the next step to build to another level? Financially is definitely a goal because it's just like you have to pay bills, you have to take care of your family, you have to do all these things. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, like, for example, you do this podcast, you write books and stuff, you, you know, people might look at you as like, okay, he robbed $55 million at one point. and he's still a capitalistic person because on his podcast he says hey you know I still like money I like to make money or whatever there's nothing wrong with that you know what I'm saying like that's just you like I was Western I was where you were talking about I was like I'm not sure where this is going what why is that bad no no no no no what I'm saying is just like you know a lot of a lot of people

make it seem like it's bad you know what I'm saying that's what I'm trying to say like for some reason everything in society if it's not you're not a lot of you're not a lot of boss abiding citizen and doing everything this way you're already right not the public for whatever reason and everybody nowadays looks for a fucking reason to to bash you or to bring you down you know what I'm saying and life to me is about just pushing forward and forgetting about what any motherfucker says you know what I'm saying right yeah so that's just how I look at it what do you think you you feel good about you feel okay about that how do you feel I feel good I mean I'm ready to wrap it up But unless you have something.

Okay. I mean, anything over the top to just bring motivation to society, you know. If anybody is, you know, thinking of doing crime, you know what I'm saying? Again, just reevaluate what you're doing, you know. And I speak to like the younger guys out there, you know what I'm saying? Because most of, you know, I would say people that watch this crime podcast or anything that has to do with crime or the young generation, you know what I'm saying? because we're the ones that are on the phone that much, you know what I'm saying? I'm 29, but most of the people that are on our phones nowadays, I mean, essentially everybody's on their phone nowadays, but, like, that actually go into, like, look for crime and stuff like that.

You know, people want to know, these young bucks want to know how to do certain things or learn from other people's experiences and stuff like that. And I'd just be like, what I really want to say is that, you know, re-evaluate your life, like, focus on other things, you know what I'm saying? There's so many ways to make money out there legally, realistically. that if you expand your brain and your mind to different things and not just to what the streets might be showing you or even white-collar crimes, you know what I'm saying? Like, bro, like, what you give to life, life is going to give back to you at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? And that's just kind of the note I want to leave it on where I've learned from my mistakes

and, you know, it's sad to see a lot of people nowadays going through crimes and their life-ending with that crime, you know what I'm saying? And like, it, it just makes no sense and it's sad to see, you know. And, hey, I appreciate you guys watching the podcast. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Also, please leave a comment.

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