Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - World's Dumbest Criminals | Timepiece Gentleman $5M LUXURY WATCH PONZI SCHEME

Episode Date: March 22, 2024

World's Dumbest Criminals | Timepiece Gentleman $5M LUXURY WATCH PONZI SCHEME

You send him your watch. He takes the pictures of the video, puts it online. Somebody buys it two weeks later for $90,000. And he doesn't tell the true owner. And he just takes the money in pockets. He's doing Instagram. He's taking videos, him on vacation, him buying cars, him in his new place. And he was talking about Mark Wahlberg playing him. Oh, in a movie.

In a movie. Which could still happen. But go ahead. Now more than ever. Now that it turns out to me it was a Ponzi scheme. Way better. So then what happened is, I've had multiple people telling me, like, are you got to do something?

The Time Peace Gentleman, he ran a Ponzi scheme. Obviously, he's an alcoholic. Is all of his arrest DUIs and drunk? Yes, and some felony DUIs, because I guess it's a third or fourth time. Yeah. But what's his name against his name? I don't think I let you say it. I can't interrupt it.

Ferrar. Anthony Ferrara. Yeah. The Time Peace Gentleman. Timepiece gentleman. Who got hooked on watches because he. He was just simply, he had one and he sold it and made like $1,000 the first time. You know, then I guess he kind of realized that maybe watches are something that people will pay a lot of money for.

My understanding is he got in trouble. He was going to prison. Right. He gave a buddy. The story is that he told everybody is that he gave a buddy, you know, he, whatever, he got a DUI or I forget exactly why I went to prison. I'm pretty sure it's a DUI, tons of DUIs. And it was a felony and this time he's going.

So he's going to go for, I don't know how much, whether a year, two years, whatever. So he's going to go to state prison, and he gives a watch to a buddy of his to hold. Well, when he's getting out, he asks the buddy to sell the watch because he has no money. And the buddy comes back and they find somebody to buy the watch. And I could have it a little bit off. Maybe his buddy sold it. Maybe when he got out, he sold it. And anyway, he sold it.

He made a little chunk of money, like $2,500, $3,500. I forget what it was. So then he thought this might be a thing. Like what's going on here? So then he started a site where he started bought, you know, he went out and he bumped, sorry, he didn't start the site right away. He went out and he bought a watch. Right.

And then he resold it. And you're right. I think that's when he made like a grand. Yeah, like a grand on that watch. Right. And then he thought, hey, maybe this is a thing. And he thought if I start, you know, kind of buying and selling these watches and, you know, people are doing this and maybe this could be a thing for me.

and he started doing that and he was doing okay and then he started doing the whole fake it till you make it right you gotta tell where he's he's getting because at first it's kind of like he was buying expensive watches and selling them as exclusive so oh okay so he was actually

so what he was doing was legitimate he was kind of like making a demand or just really just showing watches to people who didn't really pay watches a lot of attention like man that's a nice watch you know and he started telling the benefit of having a nice timepiece. That's what made him popular

like on all the sites and people saw him because he started talking about the benefits of a nice time piece. I mean, obviously he's a salesman. Right. So he starts selling the watches and then eventually he comes up

with like an app or whatever website where it's like, hey, you can give me your watch. I'll buy your watch. Or if I'll give you a little bit more money if you want to just put it on the site for consignment. Correct.

you have to be licensed to do that do you isn't that like a pawn shop or a watch consignment though i don't know i don't know i don't think you have to be licensed to be a consignment maybe you i don't know let me not not even speculate like i don't i wouldn't well maybe i would think maybe you do maybe you do because you have to me you have to at least be maybe incorporated or a business you know for the tax purposes well i don't know um i probably if you're buying it Well, if you're holding it, I don't know, I don't know, whatever, I don't know anything about that. So the point is, I could ask, I had a buddy. I actually have a buddy who does stuff like that.

He actually, his father died and left him a bunch of money. And now what he does is he lends people money, but he takes their assets. Like he'll say, you know, do you have a watching car, you know, he'll take the stuff from them and then lend them 10 or 20 grand. And he's like, you know, and if they don't pay, then I'll just take the stuff. He's like, I'm always. Oh, he takes the title. he takes the rights to the stuff and then if you don't pay he comes in like let me let me add that he said people will come show up with like you know Rolexes and all all kinds of stuff he's like

and I'll lend them 10 grand or 20 grand and he's not worried about that stuff being stolen this is not that kind of guy oh okay all right no brother I'm talking about the people he's dealing with that's what I'm saying I don't think he cares oh he's not the kind of guy to be worried about it no yeah my concern directly So, so Anthony, he basically, initially, I'm going to assume, because I've watched a couple, a couple of YouTube videos on it, that initially it was a legitimate thing, right? Right. Like he was, he was probably doing it legitimately. And from what these, I watch a couple of, I watch these two guys on a podcast and they were saying, and I knew this immediately.

Anyway, just watching the guy, like, I don't care how many watches, unless you're Rolex. you're not making this kind of money he rented a he rented you know he's buying cars right rented rented a rented a condo in is it LA for like 80 or 90,000 dollars a month like it was the the month the dollar amount the amounts don't make sense like how many watches could you possibly be selling and you're not getting a ton of money you're getting he's making five or 10 percent on these transactions allegedly but yeah right right so ultimately what it so the the scam or the not the scheme the business model was hey if you give me your watch send it to me I'll get it a

praise take a look at it I'll tell you hey I could get you 90,000 for it if we put it on consignment I'll let you know if anybody what any bids that come in and he puts he takes a bunch of pictures of it makes a little video sticks it on his website and let's say a week later it sells somebody comes in and says hey I'll give you the 90 or maybe they say I'll give you 80. And he takes 5 or 10% off the top and then he sends you the rest of it, which isn't, you know, in my opinion, isn't illegal as long as that's what you're really doing. The problem is at some point he got over his head and he's an alcoholic and he's,

he started doing, he started doing the whole fake it till you make it where he's doing Instagram, he's taking videos, him on vacation, him buying cars, him in his new place. He's putting up, he's doing YouTube. he's a big shot um and then he started by the way did you ever hear that he was telling his story and he was telling his story and he was talking about mark walberg playing him oh in a movie in a movie which could still happen but go ahead now more than ever um like he's way more interesting now yes so but but what i was going to say is um he you know he started pitching his whole I was an alcoholic.

I had an addiction problem. You know, went to prison for the, got arrested like 40 times, went to prison, came out, started up this company. I'm doing great. I'm amazing. Blah, blah, blah.

That's okay. But now that it turns out to me, it was a Ponzi scheme. Way better. So then what happened is ultimately, he starts, when he goes to, he calls you up or you send him your watch.

He takes the pictures, the video, puts it online. Somebody buys it. two weeks later for $90,000 and he doesn't tell the person that sent him the watch. He doesn't tell the true owner. He just says, yeah, look, you know, I got some bites. I'm still working on it. Like, don't worry.

I'm, we've got some interest. You know, it might take a couple of months, but I'm going to get you that price, you know, and he just takes the money in pockets it. So, like, I'm thinking he's buying knockoffs, right? How long do you think you can have someone's watch? without there being a problem. Well, you know, eventually what happened was once people got to the point where it's six months, it's a year,

it's two months, like what the hell's going on? Yeah. He just ghost him. Wow. So he was ghosting people. People were reaching out to everybody that's associated with him saying, hey, this guy ripped me off. They start contacting the police.

But the problem was that the police were saying, well, he gave you gave him your watch to sell. He just hasn't sold it. You know, I'm sorry you haven't gotten it back, but you gave him a consign. You know, he's got it on consignment. Like, that's between you and him. I don't know that he's actually. Well, they didn't know for sure.

They don't say it's contractual. Right. So it's commercial. So it's a, it's not a criminal matter. You can sue him. And who the hell can sue you? You know, that's a problem in and of itself. So I got to fork out more money for a lawyer.

I got to try and track this guy down. I got to serve him. And the truth is, I don't even know that he didn't sell the watch. I just know he's kind of ghosted me. And he would, you know, he, you know, listen, con men are good at spinning you, spinning you, spinning you and spin, so that, you know, they can get another two weeks and then a month and then another two weeks, another two weeks. And, you know, sometimes you just get, you just, people get frustrated and they just go away. Or if you needed money and you're pawning your watch, you might not have enough money to get a little. Because a lot of these watches aren't 90,000.

They're $5,000 watches. So you don't have that money to go spend to spend, to pay for an attorney, 15 or 20 grand to follow. a lawsuit to get back five right and another thing somebody told one of these guys said was that he was also when guys would eventually catch up with them a lot of times he would oh at one point he went to the police he goes to the police yeah he goes to the police and says he was robbed of like 10 watches 10 or 20 watches so now when people that's clever that's the smart that should have At the beginning. Yeah, he should have done that from the very beginning.

Well, I think this was towards, this is about after about a year or so before it collapsed, probably a year or two ago, when it was, it was inevitable that people are having issues. Right. You know, he can't pay them. They're catching up with them. They're getting attorneys. They're calling the police. And so now he's at the point where he's saying, hey, I was robbed.

Your watch was one of them. I'll give you another watch. Right. You know? And he gives him another watch that he says is comparable. Or he says, I'll sell it. He tries to pay. Sometimes he's paying them back or he negotiates a, you know, in real estate it would be a short pay. But he negotiates a, you know, look, I can't pay you this much. The watch was stolen. What do you want me to do? You should have had insurance, blah, blah, blah. You know, and then he says, you know, he gives, I'll give you $40,000 or I'll give you $5,000 or $50, whatever it was, much less than he made. Right. So anyway, eventually the whole thing kind of collapses. And here's what's really crazy. He actually goes onto YouTube and, does a video about what he did about what he did he never really he never really

admits that he was ripping people off on that video i don't think what he does say is that he's deeply in debt he was his spending was out of control his alcohol addiction was out of control he's got himself deep into debt he's five million dollars in debt but he's going to work hard and pay all that money back so then he starts doing like a countdown i just made $60,000, 80,000, 40,000, whatever, you know, trying to chip away at it and people are hating on him. Guys are leaving comments. Guys are leaving posts. There's a Reddit thread. There's all kinds of people are going nuts. You know, they're leaving all these horrible reviews. And now he starts lashing out at those people on social media saying, you guys are the reason that I can't sell

the watches. You're the reason that I'm going down. You are so selfish. That's the weighing months. yes and here's what's funny is you don't have any watches bro like you've sold it as a Ponzi scheme like that's balls yes but that's probably the alcohol talking like alcohol talking to his ego like can you come here for a second let me talk to you like did you ever see him yes

I mean did you watch a video with him in the video oh no no no I saw the documentary you said me no straight I mean he's very con man really slick looking fast talker i mean just bullshitter right all he's like exactly what you would think like oh you're a fucking snake you're snake oil salesman so you know you know what's funny is because like you and i get the mantra of con men right right and and so like i don't see us as con men, you know, we're just schemers. But like the con men that we both, like in prison, the one that we met was Barrington.

Oh, God, yeah, wouldn't he be great? Oh, it was so slimy. God, have you looked him up? No. You have not? Remember his last name was Sneed? He had changed it to Barrington. Yeah, but Barrington was his prison name.

No, I know. He legally had his name change. Yes, he did. His name was John Sneed. Yes. You brought him. the article. Who gave you that article? Was that your mom that looked that up? No, Reese, Reese. Rees had it sent in somehow. Oh, okay. All right. I figured maybe your

mom looked that up for you. No, it was Reese? You need to track him down. Reese? Oh, Barrington. Barrington. Yeah, but the only, so don't let me lose my point of thought or my train of thought, which is Lillip Station. So the only con man we met were Barrington. And both of us agreed that just the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. con the con oozes out of him you'd be like dude like there's nothing he could like if we met him on the street there's absolutely no way we'd be conned by him you know what I'm saying yeah

you know it's just it's impossible so to hear him talk right you're saying you actually feel that if he was talking to you you would believe what he was saying yeah he was pretty he seemed pretty he seemed genuine which you know wow obviously he's not right

I mean the guy Anthony right we're talking about Anthony yeah yeah because I was going to say you and I like it you know I always say that like you know they always say con man and I say con man because people just don't know the difference but the truth is like we're fraudsters yes unfortunately there is not a distinguishing different no they don't say that in the newspaper

it's con man con man it's you're a con man it's like and you know you know I'm sitting there I'm really more of a fraudster I'm like, can you please learn the difference, please? Thank you. I'm not a car. Because the con man, to us, the definition of a con man, is someone that takes the money directly from the person,

who actually has interaction with the person and takes them, like gets them to believe something that gets them to do something that they probably shouldn't do or that's going to very much harm them without knowing all the effect. This is what's interesting is that, William Thompson was the original confidence man right and so this would have been like the 1800s i'm going to say it's the 1800s the first time the word was you but go ahead yeah it was like 1870 or something i don't so and it was in america yeah people were here then so he so here's what he was doing um see now you got you know you do that and you make me think is that not

true and I'm and I don't I'm just going off the top of my head oh oh oh look here it is operated in New York City in the late 1840s okay horses and carriages yeah but here's what he did and so think about it this is when the term originally originated think about the similarity here this guy here's why he got the name confidence man he walked around in the business district of New York. And I don't know why it just says New York, because he actually traveled to different cities. He would walk around to, but this is where he got caught in New York. So what happened was he would walk around in the business district, dressed very well, well spoken, and he would walk up to guys that were dressed well. And he would walk up and he'd say, oh my gosh,

oh, and the guy would be like, Tom. He'd go, Tom, hi, my name is, you know, it's William. I met you at the party a couple weeks ago. I forget, was it your, were, was it your engagement party or or was he, oh, you mean so-and-so's engagement party? Oh, right, right. Yeah, I met you there and you were with a woman. I don't know if that was your wife. Oh, yes. Yeah, that was my, it was my wife. And he'd spot. And so this person thinks I know him. Right. And he'd say, oh, where do you work? Oh, you work here. You work at the, you know, Bank of America building. Oh, okay. And the guys, he's like, yeah, yeah. And he'd say, he'd say, well, he'd go, gosh, you know, I have so many, I'd love to come up and see your office, but I have so many appointments today. He's like, I'm on a real pickle too. And he'd say,

you know, why's that? And he'd go, well, he'd go, I, my watch stopped working. And I had to drop it off of the jeweler. And I kept in mind a watch back then was like 15, like, you know, if it was whatever, $30 or $10, whatever, there's the equivalent of the felt $1,500. That's what it, it's like like an iPhone, but an iPhone that you can just walk away with. And it's, there's no, there's no thumbprint or facial scan. So he, he would say, um, you have confidence in me, don't you? We're, we're friends. And the guy, what's he going to say? You go, oh, no, we're, yeah, yeah, we're friends. He'd go, you have confidence in me, don't you? You go, of course, of course I do. I do. You go, I have so many appointments today. And, you know, I'm in desperate

need of a watch. Would you mind if I borrowed your watch so I could make all my appointments? And then I'll come back here about 4.30 and I'll meet you right here or I'll come up to your office and I'll give you your watch back. I sure would appreciate it, Tom. Wow. And they said, you don't understand. I thought I knew him. I thought we were friends with, you know, Jennifer and Bob. He was at their party. Of course, you know, not realizing he was never at the party, bro. Right. He doesn't know your friend. You know, he gave me his full name. That's not his name. You know, and then, and he was going to bring it back. He was dressed very well. He was a gentleman.

Wow. He kept, but here's what everybody said. He kept saying gentle. I know, he kept saying, using the word confidence. You have confidence me, don't you? You have confidence that I'll bring, bring the watch back, don't you? You have confidence that I'll be here at 4.30. And they would go, oh, of course, of course.

So they would give him his watch, the watch. And he would leave. And he'd go two blocks over and he'd see somebody else. And he'd go, oh, gosh. Jim I was you Oh no no not Jim My name's Tom

Right oh I met you at that party A couple weeks ago Everybody had the same story Right And multiple people He would get several watches A day bro A day

Of course Because you know in my mind That's such a Like you telling me that I'm like that would work Because that doesn't feel like You're taking something about You know what I'm saying

Because you're asking for it to make your appointment And if I knew you, of course, I would loan you my watch. Like my watch, you can use my watch. You know what I'm saying? It just, that's, that is freaking very, I think that's brilliant. I think that's brilliant. I also think it goes to the times, right? Like most people didn't know about scams.

They trusted each other, especially if he was a gentleman and nice clothes. You expected him. You thought he was in your social circle. So ultimately what happened was this. Here's how con man came. when the newspaper when he eventually got caught one day one of his victims you know months after he put in a police report um months later he was standing in the business district district and looked up and sure enough he saw the guy no no he sees him and he runs up and gets a cop because it used to be

cops on the corners right of course the cop runs up and grabs him so they arrest him and they had by that point they've got 10 20 30 different complaints so he goes to jail you know i don't know how long or anything because he did get out because he did do this multiple times throughout this the the uh throughout the u.s but what happened was when the newspapers reported it they you know it used to be like the the guttenberg press where they had to put in each letter yep so they first called him You know, they said that everybody, you know, they initially called him the confidence man, but then they said it the first time confidence man. And then they abbreviated it to con man for the rest of the story. Correct, because they didn't want to have to keep putting it in there.

And, you know, you're limited on word space. So it ended up being, so guys like that ended up being known as the con man, as a con man. And what's funny is that this guy had a watch scam too. Yes. That was that that's the connection. You know, in the 1800s, a watch was very expensive because every one of them were made by hand. Like all of the little pulleys and the dials inside the watch that makes it work, somebody actually sat there with a little, little stethical scope or whatever that thing is,

and put that together and made those. They had watchmakers. Watchmakers had shops, and they made a fortune. They made a fortune. So for them to loan them as well, I'm sure they were. Pissed off. Pissed off. Did you ever see... You ever wonder where he was hawking them?

Like, for him to do that. Somebody must have been super happy. Huh? Somebody must have been super happy. Oh, they're like, dude. My God, Bill. Where are you getting all these watches? Mm-hmm. You're my favorite customer. Yeah, that's right. You're all fantastic.

I mean, no serial numbers, no. Somebody walks and says that to know a lot. Like back then, unreal, unreal. Crime was, was mostly violence. Anyway, I'll get, I'll get distracted because dueling and fighting, all that stuff was proper. You know what I'm saying? Back a day, so, you know, the sheriff only really, like, a lot people up for, like, ordinance violations. You know, murder was probably, like, you and I got into it, I have the right to challenge you to a duel,

and where one of us would be dead. You know, so that gets rid of murder. Mutual combat. Huh? Mutual combat. Yeah. That eliminates like murder charges were almost nil because I could be like, you know what, Matt? I challenge you to a duel, you bastard.

What could you imagine? You could just poison someone too. Like, you put like, what are they going to do? They got no, but they got no forensics? Oh, yeah. What are you going to do? Trace it back to some chemical in my house like, I got sick and he died.

Always thinking about how to get around the system, Matt. Just challenge the duel. Just challenge the duel. I don't want to duel anybody. I don't want it to be fair. You don't want the 50-50 chance. No. I forget which president actually got into like a duel on the White House.

It was Adams. Was it Adams? John Quincy Adams, yeah. fucking idiot no but it was Hamilton the guy killed in the duel I think if Adams did it Adams won

so hey Hamilton I would have loved to have seen that that musical you don't you haven't watched it on no you got to go see it I've watched it on YouTube

bro anyway like my first like I'm trying to remember what it was when I got that iPhone and the YouTube like I like I was cooped up like

this is amazing it's magic like anything I could call to mine like I'm looking it up I picked an obscure artist that I liked and I tapped in her name and it came up and gave a video

of her interview and showed me all of her music videos. I'm going like oh my God yeah I was I didn't want to go anywhere I pulled up an old episode of police woman and watched it. The old time going, this is unbelievable. Like, why was I locked up? I've ruined, I've missed most of my life.

So let's get back to this guy. You know, watch, let's go back to the watch. Anthony, yeah, Anthony got arrested recently. Yes. I don't think he's been sentenced. No. And I, you know what? I should have looked him up, like the viewers will be telling us.

I should have brought him up on Pacer. And it's a federal case, right? Is it federal? It does seem like it'd be federal. Yeah, it would be federal. If he did it online, it would definitely be federal. Okay. Hold on.

And then I was going to tell you about, you know, I've been helping people with the compassionate release. Because they, you know, they changed the, they made some things retroactive. So I've helped a couple of people with motions, which were very easy, like, throw out the blanks. And it got federal. Oh, okay. It is federal, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah, he was, so it, the charges, you know, wire fraud, obviously, wire fraud, looking at 20 years, but he hasn't been sentenced yet. Now. He's 35, by the way. Oh. 20 years. He's been, not 15, I think 25. Yeah, he's got a bunch of DUIs and,

and an evading arrest in Texas. Yes, they said he had a high-speed chase. Did he? Yes. An idiot. Hold on. Where's he being held? Federal jail in a federal jails.

No federal jails. Okay. Miami. There's detention centers, yes. Yeah, but they're saying jail. Not the same thing at all. So. Excuse me.

Excuse me confidence, man. So let's see. What else? What else are we doing? Oh, okay. So we're waiting for him to get sentenced. See, that's what I should have. I should have. We should have waited for him to get sentenced. So I do have another question for you. Did you hear, did you hear about Bankman Freed? You asked me about that. And Bankman Freed. Right. Remember the guy from, is it FTX where, you know, we've talked about him before, I think. Anyway, so you don't know. So you don't know. know the case he had the the cryptocurrency exchange that went yes yes now i remember yes so the federal sentencing the his PSR came out the recommendation a hundred years now now he fought it he's fighting it um Pete saying he'll he'll probably get 20 years which is what I've been was saying I don't believe you can score out to 100 years I think I think category six Huh?

Bernie Madoff. Okay. Bernie Madoff didn't score out to 100 years. The judge gave him the maximum and ran it consecutive. You can't score out to 100 years because all that 100 year crap is consecutive sentences. And that's what I hate because if you had three aggravated identity theft charges that carries two years each, the news would say, you know, Matt Cox is facing up to six years. That would be

each crime run consistent. You know what I'm saying? That's how they stated. Because I never thinking like, wow, why so much time? It's only because they're taking the maximum penalty and assuming you'll get it consecutive. Well, yeah, but this is the PSR. There's no

way he can score out to 100 years. Okay, I'm just telling you that's what the PSR said. So keep in mind, too, he did go to trial. And by the way, the government is arguing for the hundred years. So I hear what you're saying. That's absolute insanity. That's absolutely insanity.

You know, Pete, that's why at the beginning of this, I told you that like Pete was, because Pete and I were on the phone, you know, texting back and forth. And I was like that. I said, no, look, not that he's not. I said a scumbag. But I, and really honestly, look, I would be sitting here saying he doesn't deserve a hundred years. That's ridiculous. That's, I would be saying all that, except for the fact that he's super arrogant and he went to trial like they were trying to offer him way less less time and he was like oh i don't think they can prove this and i don't think that like and i even interviewed this chick that is friends of his she was saying she's arguing with him and she was like you know sam what is your

lawyer saying and he's like oh my my lawyers are idiots and it's like what do you bro you're going to fucking end up in jail for a long time. Yeah, a hundred years is a long It is. Pete's saying he's going to get 20. And on a 20, like we just said, you can do 12. If you program, you can end up getting out of 12. Right. But he's

not, that's outlandish. A hundred years is ridiculous, bro. Like, I wouldn't even entertain that. Don't even entertain that. That's a first offender that hasn't committed murder. I agree. I think. I think he's probably going to get 20 years.

Yeah, 20. And I think that's what I'm always said. He actually ended up with 30. Oh, did he? Yes. Like, why? Because he died? Well, if that's the case, he ended up with eight.

If it's because he died, he only ended up with eight. But you mean they appealed it and they lowered it to 30? Yes, the appeal court thought like, that's, anyway, that's another, another whole story. That's where my, my sister showed me a quote about if you plead guilty. you can't get the statutory maximum. The Supreme Court's like, come on. No, I know that because I remember that was one of the things, one of the reasons, initially my PSI said 32 years of life.

It was 30 years for maximum for bank fraud. It was two years for aggravated identity theft. And I was like, I'd rather go to trial. And so the prosecution sent the U.S. I'm sorry, the U.S. attorney sent the secret search. service agent and my lawyer down to basically negotiate with me. And we got it down to 26 years. And then, of course, my lawyer said she was going to get another, you know, 10 or 12 years off of that by, you know, just some things. Yeah. Please put you out to this, waive your rights.

Right. And then I'm going to get, then I'm going to get something done without telling you that if I don't, there's nothing you can do. Oh, well. But the, you know, the reason they went off 32, is because if I had pled guilty to 32, I would have automatically been able to appeal. Correct. Right? You can't plead out to the statutory maximum. I have, there's no,

I have more benefit to go to trial than to do that. Yeah. Isn't that what you were saying? Yes. So that's why I later figured out. It's part of a frustration I have with the feds in that much time. And their manipulation of how they, you plea out and then they decided to give you the statutory maximum anyway.

You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's ridiculous. And him, them offering him or them talking about 100 years, it's just like, to me that's absolutely insane. Well, they want that for the headlines. They know he's going to appeal and he's going to get it dropped down. It's going to end up being 20. Like, they know that. You know what they do, you know.

they they I try not to let it make me mad but that they get crap it clearly does yeah so what is it you you said because people are always asking what's Zach doing and every once while somebody somebody says you know when's that getting out of jail my bro he's been out of jail like check the fuck he he's in a mental jail right now he's in a mental jail so what is it you're said you're doing now you're doing you've been doing people's well yeah no I I obviously I'm like a clerk at Wawa's, but I lost my brilliant job. But I've been doing like legal work like like 3582 motions, which is because they made things retroactive on the sentencing commission. I've been doing those motions for people. It's $100. So it's, it's been pretty steady. It's over. It's been over,

well, it's been like probably like 15 per month for a little while, but it's probably going to taper off. So I've got to kind of like venture into some. something else. But I've been really like trying to make my niche in getting credit for time serve. Like if you were locked up and you didn't get certain credit from time that you have been in jail for the state and stuff. So I've been credit for time served and removing detainers. So I just charge a basic $100. So my name's been getting around because I've been having some success. So it's been what I call a maintainer. You got to start a newsletter like the Jeremy Gordon. What was his name, Jeremy? Jeremy. Can you, for me, would you guess

what you think Jeremy Gordon looks like? Like if, if, if somebody walked in and you don't, I think that's Jeremy Gordon. What do you think that person would look like? I assumed he was like a white guy, a little nerdy with glasses, you know, 510, but average, very average is what I see. Why? What does he really look like? He is, he looks like a black crackhead. he's a lawyer though a black guy with a topey huh he really he probably weighs 110 pounds black guy

with a two pay that looks like I do scruffy and like he like I've just smoked and now I'm opposed for this picture when I saw Jeremy Gordon I'm like

what you know how many people I know how many people I know contacted him and gave him money to take on their case like what do you huge rip off huge huge so why don't I always thought about this too because you know there was a fed cure yes and there were all these like they never did anything never did nothing but they all raised money because I remember my mom gave like three or four hundred dollars one year and every year she was giving them a couple hundred dollars because they would one pitch stuff to the inmates But mostly what they were doing was just taking articles about prison reform and about changing the sentencing guidelines.

And he was then cutting and pasting. And then he'd put a paragraph or two about what he was currently working on. And then if he had anybody that he helped, he would list like this guy, I just got seven years knocked off his sentence. I filed a 2255 and got seven years knocked off. This guy I got. So he would have a couple of those every month and do it. And so people are calling him, hiring him. Why don't you do that? Because these people that you know in jail would pass your name around.

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Can it let me, let me. I'm not saying doing anything illegal. You're really doing the work. You're not, it's not a scam. You're actually helping people. But so does Jeremy Gordon actually does the work. The law work, it really is a scam because I believe, like, in my heart, like someone told me this at the, at the beginning of my bed and probably my first 100 days in prison, not jail. Once I got to prison, in the first 100 days of prison.

sorry to make this screen bounce somebody came up to me and told me he goes because I was talking about an appeal and I want a sense of something have you seen a lot of people get relief and this guy told me he said I'll never forget this he said you know I think it's all

bullshit he goes I think they pull a name out of a hat and said just so everyone keeps hope and they'll say let's just give this guy some relief everybody else gets denied let's give this guy some release let's give this guy some release let's give this guy some relief you know what I'm saying

I think they do that just to keep everyone thinking that there's a possibility but a vast majority of us get denied like I remember him telling me that and I'm going that seems very bleak but then I started realizing I go I think that is the case listen I won one my old selling

my old cell mate I got him compassionate release right and when I read the judge's order it brought it all the way home me that that's the case. The judge picked my old Selly when I did his motion and decided I'm going to give this guy relief because he's been in jail for 25 years on a 30 year. No, he's been in jail for 20 years on a 25 year sentence. He's got like 50, 40, 50 months left. He's got every

disease in the book. He's sick. You're diabetic and all that stuff. And we're, we've decided somewhere that we're going to give people relief so I'm going to give him relief. That judge went past every marker and like made excuses. Like one of the things were you were you were supposed to contact the warden and asked the warden to give you relief.

Right? And my celly hadn't done that. Right? And he goes well he tried. He talked to the counselor and the counselor said that he didn't qualify. So what else is he supposed to do? That right there, I'm giving this guy relief whether he qualifies for it or not.

We're usually they would use that to deny him right there. Oh, he didn't go to the proper channel. Boom, denied. Exactly. No, remember John Gordon? You remember John Gordon? Yes. John Gordon had said, which was a guy that Zach and I were locked out with,

he said one time, they're going to do whatever they want to do. Remember that? Yes. I remember that on my case, the statute of limitations was running out. I was like, well, you know, some of these charges, like the statute of limitations is running out. He's like, yeah, they can extend. in that. I go, well, no, it's statute of limitations. He goes, eh, he said they'll connect it and say

it was ongoing and that they didn't discover it until you were caught. And he goes, they got a hundred ways to extend it. He goes, look, they're going to do whatever they want to do. I was just like, that's my experience. It feels hopeless. It feels obelous. Yeah.

Back in the days, yeah. Man. So, anyway, I wanted to tell you about it, connecting all those dots. So I get a There's a Her name is Jung

A girl named Yeah Sally Jung J-U-N-J J-U-N-G So she writes me And she has some type of cancer And she wants me to do her Compassionate Release

So I said okay Yeah I'll do it I said what kind of case did you have She said I had fraud So then I look it up And then she has a boyfriend And this is important

Because this is one of the things It goes back to the years. So she has a boyfriend that's her co-defendant. So apparently what they were doing is they ran an ad in the paper saying that it's added

Texas Arcana I think it's Texas. I don't know if it's in Arkansas or in Arkansas or Texas but it's called Texarkana. They ran an ad in the paper saying that if you own at least one acre of land, you got to go,

you got to go. One acre of land, you could qualify for a government grant and we'll help you do the paperwork. Sounds familiar like someone that's like looking for people for loan for homeownerships and then they call in and they

take their identity. But people would call in, this is during the COVID or right after the COVID or whatever. So people would call in and give them their vital information and then they turned around and applied for EIDL loans or whatever it was and in their name and get loans in their name.

That's what they were doing. So they would call people, so people would call up and they'd take their money and get loans. And this is two people. She got five years. He got 15 years, right? But he had never been convicted of a crime before. I think what they ended up getting was probably about $400,000 worth of loans. and they had a slew of loans that didn't get approved.

And of course, you know, what do they call that? Potential loss. Yeah, intended loss. Intended loss. Yeah, gave him 15 years, right? So I'm like, oh, my God, I'm talking. She called me. I'm talking on the phone.

I said, your co-defendant got 15 years? She goes, yeah, they tried to slam it. So I look him up. He's never had any offense. He had a speeding ticket. Do you know where they had him? Oh, USP. Polok. why did he go to trial or he played guilty

yes like this guy's never even had a traffic ticket and he's at you or he had one traffic ticket and he's at USP a lot well why I mean do you know why yeah because they doesn't seem possible they they that's their punishment

they a prosecutor can get you at a penitage I met a guy and I been dying to remember his name. I wrote it down and I still got all my paperwork. But I met a guy in at USP Beaumont, right? That was somebody that used to do investments. And they had him at a penitentiary. And he barely had like custody points. He barely

had six. They were using against him a fight that he had at junior high. Say he was violent. I knew a guy named Lance I want to say Lance shoot I forget anyway his case was massively huge right he went to trial

but literally his his points were like he had like two or three points and they sent him to a pen someone tried to extort him yes he said I'm not paying

and he's an old man by the way he's like 60 something years old 62 63 when he went I think it was probably 70 when he got out so 60 whatever We're 62, 63. Guy punches him straight in the face. Like he's like, he's like, I'm not going to pay you.

And the guy goes, bam, and smashes him, knocked out his tooth. And he goes to the hole. And he stayed in the hole for basically the, he stayed in the hole. And of course, the warden and his lawyer went at it back and forth, back and forth to get him moved to a medium. Keep mind this guy. Like, he's got, like, there was no reason for him to be there. Oh, yeah, yeah. He, I met him in the.

What was his crime, though? Oh, it was like wire fraud and it was bank fraud and wire fraud. It was a huge case. If I could remember it, if Pete was here, Pete would be like, oh, that was Lance so-and-so. Yeah, that was a, you know, it was a massive case. But he went to trial. And I mean, like, there was like a loss of like a billion dollars. It was outrageous.

And he went to trial, he lost. And then he, so he, whatever, he ended up doing like a year or so in the pen. But he only was there for not in the hole for a month or two. Wow. You know, and so eventually they sent him to a medium for 18 months and they sent him to the low. But he was there and he said the only reason my lawyer or anybody could figure out why I went to a pin was that the prosecutor was making me, making it as hard for me as possible. Actually, the prosecutor wants other inmates to hurt them. Right. That's what I'm saying. He's trying to get you killed.

Like this guy can't go to him. Listen, I'm a tough guy in comparison to Lance. You were, but you were smart. When you told me that you're like, I'm not taking a gun charge. Like, yeah. Like, you're very smart because you're percept,

I don't even know what, I was always ask you what gave you the warning sign. Like, that's going to increase my custody. I'm not doing it. What happened was my lawyer came to see me. And she had me sign all the papers. You're pleading guilty to this, this.

And when I got to the gun charge, I said, I didn't have a gun. Because I know, but they found a receipt. I went, they found a receipt because my girlfriend, who was ex-military had a gun.

I said, but they didn't find the gun. She goes, well, it doesn't matter. You had a possession of the gun. I said, no, I didn't have possession. I said, in fact, I said. First of all, why? What, what called that out to you? What do you think called that out to you?

Well, I, it's just that I didn't want to, I didn't mind saying what I did. Right. But I didn't want to, I didn't want to lie. And, and. I'm sorry, I had to laugh. I was like, go ahead. I didn't want to lie. What?

I'm just kidding. Lying to what got me. into it. So I didn't want to lie. I don't want to say I had it because it's like, okay, well, one, I don't want to take a gun charge because I don't have a gun. Right. Like saying, oh, by the way, you're going to also plead guilty to this brick of cocaine. It doesn't matter. It's not going to add any more time on your sentence. And I'm like, no, I'm not a drug dealer. Right. Right. I'm not, I don't tote a gun. I never had a gun. And I said, I didn't have a gun on when I was on, you know, on the run. Since I was a felon, I've never had a gun. I had two guns. When I became

a felon, I gave them to a guy to a buddy of mine named Rudy. Right. So. So. well no one I gave to Dave and one I gave to Rudy so I said I don't want to I don't have a gun or I didn't have a gun and she said yeah but you know she had it and you had possession I said no I didn't I didn't touch the gun and on top of that I said she had a kid and when she said she was going to buy one I said if you're going to buy one I said I told her to get a gun case so she could keep in the gun case or son didn't find the gun and she did and I said I didn't have a combination of the case I said and I'll go to fucking trial no and well I didn't say that I didn't say I'll go to trial I said that's not true and she goes Matt what does it matter it's going to be three years you're going to get x amount of time they're going to run them all together and i was like okay whatever so i sign it and i leave i go back to the unit and everybody's like what's your lawyer say i said man i signed for this this this this i said i can't believe i said she had me signed for a gun and there was a big black guy there of course there always is go ahead well so there's a couple white guys staying around and there's a big black guy and i mean like six foot four six five and he's looking at me and he goes Cox

you ever been in trouble before? I went, yeah, I was on federal probation for this, before this. And he went, and you were on the run. I said, yeah, he said, you're charging another jurisdiction. He said, yeah. He said, you evaded capture by changing jurisdictions. And I was like, he started, he started doing it in his head.

And he sat there and he goes, and you're taking a gun charge. And he goes, and you're going to probably get what? More than 10, is there possibility you're going to get more than 10 years? And I went, yeah, he goes, you're going to go to a pen. And I went, what? There's a good chance you end up in a pen.

And I went, holy shit. And he goes, and look, I mean, he said, I'm sure you can take care of yourself. And I go, well, I can't. You're wrong about that. I said, I can't. What do you mean? And he goes, I'm going to be honest with you, Cox. He said, you'll probably get raped in a pen.

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fucking phone i'm gonna try you never you know you never told me that story are you serious i've told that that you told me you refused to get the gun but you didn't tell me you had a because i have been going like matt's intuition on that was dead on no it wasn't my intuition i i listen at that point i'd given up i i was signing with whatever she put in front of me. So, you know, you get to that,

you know, I had been incarcerated multiple times. So I wasn't used to this. I was just like numb. And so anyway, yeah, if that guy hadn't been there, I'd have definitely,

because keep in mind, I got 26 years and a gun charge, I would have gone. And I went to a medium, I would have gone into a pen. Yes, she would have. So luckily,

I got on the phone. I screamed and hollered. She called her. Where I was charged with a gun was out of Nashville, Tennessee. She called the guy, the,

U.S. attorney in Nashville, Tennessee, and got him on the phone and said, why did you indict my client for a gun? He never had a gun. He starts explaining it. And then she said, he said, what's the big deal? And he said, because now he's saying he'll plead guilty to everything, but he's going to go to trial on the gun. And he went, God damn it. He said, let me tell you something. He said, the U.S. attorney in Atlanta made me indict him for that gun. Because I told her I didn't even want this case. I wouldn't even want to charge him in in it in he is you let her know if he goes to trial I'm dropping everything right so she goes back talks to us attorney US attorney said okay that's fine he doesn't have to plead guilty to the gun now. Wow so it was the Atlanta district

attorney that forced the guy at the Tennessee district attorney to charge me with it so Millie comes back a couple days later and she says okay sign here sign here sign here they drop the gun charge and she tells me the whole thing and yeah I I you know but yeah it wasn't my intuition because I just didn't know any better I didn't know about points I didn't know anything and if that guy hadn't told me yeah I could have had a much much different prison experience your medium experience wasn't that bad no it would have been I said a much that right the medium would if I'd go into it in you would decide for the gun it would be so let me it may have been so let me tell you this I got the obstruction of justice yeah right and that's what had me out of me I had low points, but the obstruction of justice had me at a medium because, you know, I had no gun or no violence, and they really

wanted to jack my... You also had a criminal history off the chart. Off the chart. But even then, Matt, it was of no violence. It still didn't get you up that high, right? No, not for... So, look, my, like, my sentence in category would have been,

actually would have been less, I would have been home sooner, but they gave me the of structure of justice because in your point calculation with the BOP, that's actually a level up. Do you follow what I'm saying? When they did my points, my points, whenever I entered the BOP, my points was 15. Okay. So I had 15 points the whole time and I still went to the pit.

I went to the pen with 15 points. 15 points is a low. I thought you had to have like 20 or 25 points to get. I think I had 25 points. didn't go to a... Yes, you did? Yes, you did. You know, I came in with, like, three. Yes. And I only had three because I had a detainer. When the detainer came off, they dropped it to one.

Oh, really? Yeah, because I had like two points for the detainer. Or was it four points and three was for a detainer? Whatever it was. I had a detainer. You should have went to a camp, but I guess the lowest... You had three points and had a medium. You must have had a management variable when you first started. No, remember I had 26 years. You have over 20 years to go. You've got to go to a meeting.

Remember, that's why three years later, they were like, you're below 20 years. You never should have been here to begin with. You got to go to the low. And I should have, I never made it to the low. I never made it to the low. You didn't miss anything. And you know, when I thought I was going back,

I said the only good thing about going back is I will finally get to go to low. Because I'm like, I don't have, I'm over 55. That one point from 15 takes me to 14. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, the, the, when I got to the low, I can't even, I, this is going to just, well, nobody thinks I'm a tough guy anyway. But when I got to the low, the next day, so like the night I was there, right?

Like I get there. I get my assignment. Well, you could get up and when I got there, this was before they were locking the TV rooms down. They, they counted at 10 o'clock, and you could go back and go into the TV room. Well, most of these guys, I was in what they, I was in the majority of the people in my unit were in, they were in a unicorn. So they wanted to go to bed. Right.

They worked all day. I'm going to bed at 10 o'clock and I'll wake up in the morning, eat, and then go to unicorn. So I walk into the TV room. There's, there's, you know, I haven't really talked to anybody. And I walk in there and I start watching TV. And, you know, you could stay there until like 11, 12 o'clock. So I'm sitting there watching this, this guy. comes in this white guy comes in his name they called him slow motion name was christopher doyle he

walks in and he says uh how's it going i went good good and he looked at me he said uh how much time did you get and i went 26 years and he goes jesus christ and i went yeah and he said um any way you can work on that that's what he said that he said that he goes any way you can work on that and i went what do you mean he said i don't know like cooperating or and I thought, what the hell's going on? Like, that's not a conversation you have at the medium. I was like, I was like, no, there's, I don't think there's much chance of that. Yeah, exactly.

Currently, when I, um, but at that point, I kind of given up. Remember, like my lawyer had said they're not going to do anything. And so I was like, you know, I told them about I had done American greed, I'd done this, but I don't know that anything's going to happen. They don't seem to want to do anything. And he was like, okay. So then he stands up. and he stands up and he goes he said have you he said you changed channel yet i was like no he said

let me show you let me show you where you're at he said you came from the medium i said yeah i did three years and he said let me show you where you're at and he turned the channel to like channel 15 which was the movie channel and they were running on a loop the obstacle course that they'd done the week before and there are all these guys running an obstacle course and they're doing stuff like they're leaning on a bat with their head and they're going around and around and around. And then they stand up and have to start running and they're falling over because they're dizzy and they're following or they're falling. And then they run.

They're running through mud and they run and they slide on a slip and slide and grab a thing. Oh my God, bro. It was, he's like, yeah, these are the gangsters you're locked up with. I mean, it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen. Then it switches to karaoke night. and there's guys up there and keep in mind there was there must have been six or eight trannies so they're up there at the load there was trans at the level of court i mean full-blown tits ass the whole thing so not that many there's only one or there's only like three that

had boobs and the and the implants and they're singing like madonna they're singing and i'm like where the fuck am i so he goes he goes we're going to go to the he was tomorrow's saturday whatever. He goes, we're going to go to the yard tomorrow. He said, and I'm going to show you some shit that you ain't ever seen before. What's going on? Listen, it was, it was like walking in from the medium to the low. It was bizarre a world. Really? It was insane. Do you know? So, go ahead. All I'm going to tell you is, I remember you wrote me a letter, right? And you know what you told me in the letter about the low? You said, all right, so they moved me to the low? Because I had gotten back. I guess you had word I gotten back. You know what you said? You said,

go, surprisingly, it's a lot better over here. It won't. Honestly, you said that. You go, all right, they said, move me to the low. And surprisingly, it's a lot better over it. No, you said, surprisingly, it's a lot better than I thought it would be. Yeah. Well, not having a cell sucked. And let's face it, that's a big deal. And you just couldn't go take a nap in that. You just couldn't go take a nap in the middle of the day there like most of the guards wouldn't let you do it you could at the medium right in your cell close the door lay down take a nap no problem um you had they threw you out of the yard out of the unit every single day at the medium there were some things that's no at the low oh at the medium you could pretty much you could kind of you could go to the library

which was always empty the low it's packed oh really yeah you're right oh it's packed um but yeah for the most part overall once you got in okay with the living conditions it wasn't bad. There was a better clientele, let's say, you know, there's a better group of guys there. They were smarter. They were funnier. And they had less time so it wasn't as depressing. You know, you go and sit at a table and complain about your, you know, your time. You know, even if it's, oh, I got 26 years. Poor me. And there's like, you're sitting with three guys who are like, I'm going to die here. You're like, fuck, this sucks. You go to the low and guys are complaining about their three year sentence or their five year sentence. And I get to be like, I got 26 years. You're like,

I'm going to be the one. I'm going to die here. You're going to die here. Well, and by the time I got there, I had been around. Right. You know, so I wasn't the new guy. I wasn't, you know, and, you know, and, you know, there just wasn't, not that there weren't tough guys there, but, but they were well-behaved, tough guys.

Oh, right. So, yeah, it wasn't that bad. Well, not that I'm ready to go back. No. Hey, when is it over before we go? When is it, when is it, because I've got nine months and mine is over. You're what? Probation.

Really, mine's over in four months. Yeah. Is you having a celebration? It, yeah, probably, yeah, I'll probably go have a pizza. Like my, my idea of celebration at 54 is vastly different than it was 20 years ago. It's like we're going to have two slices of pizza and I'm going to go to bed at 9.30, 930 instead of 8.30. Well, what? How long is Jess been off? Oh, she, she got off at like a year.

So, oh, wow. Yeah. And she sent in the paperwork herself. She just filled out some paperwork and mailed it into the judge saying, hey, it's been over a year. Can I get off? And they were like, yeah, that's fine. Like one of her co-defendants had also done it. Wow.

But yeah, like my probation officer, like I'm going to, I'm going to L.A. in a couple days, right, for like three days. You know, I filled out my report, sent faxed it, or sorry, scanned it, sent it in, you know, and then two days ago, and then she sent me something back saying, approved. You know, she didn't bother me. She never comes around. She's been to the house in a while. She's been in the house a couple of times. But, you know, she's like, hey, are you home? Yes. I'm going to come by in 20 minutes. You're going to be there? Yes. She comes by.

She walks in, you know, stands there for a minute. How's everything going? Okay. All right. We're good. And I'm like, okay. Nice. Yeah, she's very nice.

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Like July 9th, I left the halfway house. Right. So then, like, then it would be, what is it over? July night this year? I'm assuming. Right. So July of this year, like, it would be over. So they'll just get to, like, and she might call you in or come by and just say,

hey, this is the last time I'm going to see you, basically your offer of supervised release on this date. And then what happens is after that date, you get something in the mail that says it's, been completed and now your judgment is turned into a or your restitution it tells you the transformation from like where you're like right now your restitution is open so it remains open while you make payments so if you agree to make payments your restitution remains open if you tell them if you give me a judgment then they'll put a judgment against you against your taxes and any lottery money you win and you don't have to make payments so you get

the option. Once you, but once you get that paper, they'll tell you officially your off-supervised release, your sentence is completed is what they'll tell you. And then they'll ask you about how did you want to proceed? So, you know, I was picked to be on like a game show type thing in, in Europe. And when my probation officer came here, I told them no. They picked me, though. They wanted me to do it. But you said, you said told them no. I did tell them, though, because when I talked to my probation officer, she said, if you win the $100,000, she said, they're going to we're going to take it she said it's considered a windfall and we'll take it but they're going to take it they're they're really going to take it regardless even if you're off

no i understand that oh but it would have been on they're going to take it a lot easier if i'm on probation true that like if i'm not on probation we're going to have an argument well get get them the issue of judgment and they're probably going to take it bro yeah so but as soon because they know who you are and They're probably going to look that up. So I said, I sat there. So I was like, I was like, oh, okay, okay. And then she was like, so, you know, I'm just letting you know, like, I mean, you can go.

I'll let you travel there. That's fine. You can go. I think it'd be great, you know, good for you for your career, whatever, exposure. She said, but if you do win, she says, yeah, it's going to fall under a windfall. And I went, okay. I said, I understand. And like, she left and I wouldn't type to letter and said, not going.

Like I already was on the fence That included it Yeah right Which is so stupid by the government Like if I had gone and won Not that I think I was going to win But there's a chance I'm going to win If I had gone and won

Then you guys could have gotten 40 or 50 grand If you would have said It's not that show a traitor is it No They haven't even They were developing the show Matter of fact

They were going to start shooting it In like two months from now Another reason I didn't do it Was because I have a speaking engagement at the same time period they wanted me to do it. And I was like, well, then, you know, like, now I have to cancel. And they were like, okay, well, we'll reimburse you for the speaking engagement. And I thought about it. And I talked to Jess. And I was like, it's not the money. I mean, it is the money. But on top of that, like, this guy booked me six months ago.

Right. Well, at this point, it was six months. It was a few months ago. It's six months before the event. Like, what a dick move. So the combination of all of those things, I was like, yeah, I'm good. Like there was the added it, there was the incentive of like, hey, you might win. But you know what? Forget it. Forget it. Like, but how stupid of the government? We could take 50%.

No, we're taking it all. Okay, well, then what's the incentive for me to try? What is the incentive for me to do anything to make an effort to pay it off if you're going to take every single dime, every single dime. So I just won't do that then. Well, once it's a judgment, there are steps you can take to mitigate it and only give them percentages. So you can still get your. income tax and stuff like that but that's what you're going to get at the end at the close to the end like maybe around the first of july like i said she's going to come and then after it's over

you're going to get an option to either keep making payments or get a judgment against you well you know it's interesting i i do an i do an annual uh financial report and i do it every july because i started in july well maybe like in january in january yeah in january yeah in january yeah in january she sent it to me and I said I just filled one of these out a few months ago and she said I know but I want you to fill it out again she was because I'm going to go ahead and submit you to the financial whatever financial resource department or whatever it is at the court to let them know that you're going to be getting off in six months so I'm giving them a few months to review it and I went she said so you have to support you have to send one last one just so this is it and I was like so I don't know if I'll be doing another one in July but I was like okay so she's already put the paperwork in. Yeah, no, no, you see, you're, you're, you're almost, bro, you're almost done. I know.

It's really, it's a weird, it's weird. Just know the ninth, it's over. You know, if that's the day you went on, that's the day you come off. So, you know, there's always that monkey on your back. Even though I'm like, I'm not doing anything wrong. How many times have you met people that weren't really doing anything wrong and ended up getting thrown back in the clink? Well, no, those are stories that we heard.

Yeah, but story. Yeah, who knows. But, I mean, I've talked to guys where they were in a car. You know, it's like, I was a passenger. And this guy got into a car, you know, into a car chase with the cops. And then because I was with him, or I got pulled over him because I was with a felon. It's like, I didn't tell you about that. My friend Mello, I'm riding in the car with him and he's driving crazy.

Oh, you're driving crazy. You know, the cop gets behind the out. I'll run him. I'm like, note to self. Once I get out, I'm not. Like, you fucking. Outrun the cops. I'm like, what the hell are you thinking about, bro?

I can't put my life in those type of situations. No, I can't be around those people. Yeah. Which is probably good for me anyway. I shouldn't be around those people anyway. There's lunatics. They make great, they tell great stories. Yes.

Should have mellow on here, I bet he's got a bunch of stories. Well, yeah. Now, now. All right. So you want to close it out? Yeah, yeah. Part. Yeah.

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