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They arrest me. She's in an officer. She said, I've got to get you out of here. What we started looking up was countries that don't extradite. Guatemala being the closest went by land. Guatemala bound. One day when I went to pick my kid up from school, I was going to meet her mother at a restaurant for lunch.

And when we were pulling in, she was walking out of the restaurant with another girl behind her, a girl that I've been flirting with. Never did anything, nothing outside of just, words flirting with her but when they're coming out the door i'm like oh fuck they both like pissed off like this is going to be a problem but i think i was like 22 23 at the time just fooling myself not really being like a man like okay you're right you caught me right admit the shit i was like she's totally like because what happened was the girl was telling my wife like that i've been

you know talking shit to her flirting with her and so when they come out and approach me with it i'm like no no no she's totally lie she was trying to buy some white for me i went sell her anything. So now she's trying to start a problem. So we're arguing, but we're getting loud, right? But it's like my motorcycle's here. I'm on this side. She's on that side and we're arguing. And then the people that own the restaurant, they come outside and they're like, get out of here. Dude, you can't be out here arguing at the front door. All right. All right, cool. I'm out of here. So I get on my motorcycle and leave. I live like two, three minutes from that restaurant. And when I get home, her brothers start calling me. She had two or three,

three brothers i think and they're telling me oh you you you slapped our sister scratched her car and ran her in a ditch who so but none of that happened none of that happened i mean this is 25 years ago right if it happened that fucking fuck it fucking i slapped right right if i scratched her car then you know i'll tell you whatever it's 25 years ago i didn't touch a girl i've never touched a female and didn't slap her car uh scratch her car or run her in a ditch but that's what she told them And so they're like, our sister called his crying, said all this stuff. She's trying to get your ass beat.

Yeah. But they're talking about other type of shit. Like, they're going to cut your head off. Like, these dudes are wild. Right. Her whole family's on dope. They're all strong out. And they're known for being maniacs.

And so when I'm trying to tell these guys, look, that's not what happened. They're like, oh, well, I'm going to hear it. You know, they're just, they're threatening me, right? Yeah. Now they're talking about coming to my house. And so we just keep going back and forth on the phone, not really making any. They're not hearing what I say at all. yeah a couple hours goes by they show up in my house the brothers her uncle they're all out

front and when i go outside i'm like oh shit this is the problem so when i see them out there i say oh y'all want to play i got something for you so i could turn around and get back in the house i just should call them police call a police nobody calls cops i'm calling the cops there's no calling there's no calling cops back then uh in my situation the way out of them right there's nobody's calling the cops so yeah hindsight yeah call the cops yeah right i'd call the cops now get these people out of here right this is a different situation right so uh what they think is that i'm going aside to get a gun right because prior to this being like when i was riding a bicycle around my neighborhood as a young kid i had a gun like we were in shootouts in the neighborhood

as kids teenagers shooting at each other right like you got a problem we're just shooting at each other and so they think that i'm going aside to get a gun but what they don't realize is that in 1998 when I got the sales like white charge I sold all the guns I had I don't have any more guns but they don't know that and so when I go outside they take off but now my ex-wife she's right there like you bring in the problems to our house what if they come to shoot our house up our kids in here and they're known for doing wild shit like that right well she's your wife at the time she's my wife at the time yeah and so I'm like you know what you're right and she would she would not shut the fuck up right I'm like all right I'm just go over here and tell these dudes leave me

like stay away from my house your sister's full of it that is not what happened and so when i leave i drop my dump truck because these guys are known for being a maniacs right i don't want to tear my car up or something so when i drive over there they know it's my truck i told you everybody knows my truck right so when i'm driving down the road to come to their house one of the brothers runs out in front of me it's like dude this drug weighs 22 000 pounds yeah it's a dump truck doesn't stop on I don't know. What are you doing? You're not going to stop the truck. So I swerved to miss this guy because he's in the road in front of me, right? And when I swerved to miss him, there's two cypress trees on the side of the road. And this isn't a small, like, back road, one lane. Like the dump truck takes up the whole road. So when I say I swerved, there's not like an whole lane to swerve across. I'm already in the grass. And then there's two cypress trees as I'm swerving. I'm like, oh, fuck. So I'm trying to miss a trees. And what I didn't see in my swerving in the trees, was the other brother so like the truck's going this way this is the driver's side and the other brother runs across the yard and tries to jump are you familiar with the dump truck yeah so it's got the handle with the step you know you got to climb right up to get in the other brother he's running toward the truck that's in a forward motion jumps where the step is and his foot slips right so if you're jumping right your feet slip he went under the truck under the tires under the back tires yeah so he jumped right at the middle of the truck where the cab is his feet go under and the truck's in a forward motion yeah yeah back tires running him over they run over his torso so like he went under like feet first like this and the back tires turned him over but i didn't even see it happen it's at nighttime what just got dark it's at nighttime the windows are tinted in my truck and i'm looking in front of me right like the idiot that just ran in front of me in the tree that i'm trying to miss but i felt the back at the truck right my uh

what was that you know what i mean because there was i didn't run anything over so why the back of the truck to his bounce it just gave me a bad feeling i'm like oh fuck something happened but i didn't see what happened right but it keep going i just kept driving right about 30 seconds a minute passes my phone rings and it's a friend of mine that is with the girl who started all the bullshit he's like dude your truck just ran this dude over and killed him her brother whoa yeah when he said that i didn't say anything in reply i just hung the phone up he was like i was at twilight zone right i'm just like what the fuck like tunnel vision how did that happen i didn't see it happen right i didn't know that it just happened i'm like

i can't even believe that this happened i didn't go over there for that i went over there to keep the problem away from my house tell them leave me to fuck alone quit coming by my house right and now he just called and said the guy's dead you know it's 22 000 pound truck You're not going to live through that. You're dead immediately. And you don't have a weapon in the truck? No. Okay.

Do you call the police or do you just keep going home? What do you do? I panicked. Right. Right. You know, hindsight, yeah, I should have pulled over. As soon as you know that you've been in the accident, right, it's your obligation to report the accident.

Yeah. Well, honestly, you wouldn't have been that bad of a position because they had come to your house. Oh, I wasn't. You didn't have a weapon in the vehicle. It'd be different if you had a weapon in the vehicles because then they could say you were going over there with a weapon. Within intent, yeah. Yeah, but no, I didn't have a weapon. I was going over there to try and explain to these guys.

Please do not. This is not what happened. Please do not come by my house. They're causing me problems. Yeah. In hindsight. Yeah, yeah. Looking at the situation that already happened, that's the absolute correct answer.

Listen, I'm full of hindsight. Like, there's tons of things that have done better. I made every bad decision there is. The situation was there's a dead person. I'm the main killer in this area, even though I'm trying to start this company. Right. You know, that's all I'm known for. The cop's been trying to get me.

And now there's a dead person. And the only thing I'm thinking is, fuck, I'm going to get a death penalty. There's somebody dead. I don't even know how it happened. But I just know there's a dead person. And if you haven't been in the situation where there is a dead person, you don't know. Yeah. It's vehicular with manslaughter.

Yeah. It's still a fucking huge. You know that now. Yeah. Because you've been in prison and, you know, like, crime. Even then, that's a serious fucking. Yeah, it's a serious. But so I panic.

Right. Later on, I was told by the prosecutor, not told to me because I didn't speak to the prosecutor, but told to my attorney, if he would have told us what happened, we would have never pressed charges. Right. Nice to know years later. But I panic. I drive my truck down the road, parking on the side of the road, and I start peeling my name off, the vinyl lettering. This is all bad. I have no idea why I did that.

Not even thinking, just done it, right? Right. And so when you pill your name off or vinyl sticker off of a vehicle that's been painted, all the paint around it fades. Right. So it just highlighted where I just took my name off the door of the truck, which the things, it's my truck. There's no getting away from it.

Yeah. And these guys are going to say it was you and your truck and everything anyway. No, actually they didn't. Oh, they didn't? No. They said, we don't know who it was. So supposedly the brother that ran in front of me said, told neighborhood talk. Right.

He knew who it was. He wanted to handle it himself. Yeah. So he said, oh, I don't know who was driving. I don't know who it was, right? It was just my truck. And so they didn't press charges on me for three years. They never pressed charges at all.

It just wanted to question me, the detectives. But I moved because immediately, right after that, I'm getting a lot of threats from his family toward me, my daughter, my wife, my kid was in school. She goes to school with a bunch of their family. So, you know, it's just a big problem. So we moved to North Carolina. Okay.

And not running from the police. Right. I was going to say, did the police talk to you? No. Oh, you know. Well, I spoke to him. I said, you got a warrant. They said, no.

I said, I don't have anything said to you. Okay. So, and that was it. Never said nothing else to them. But if you're trying to run from the cops, you're not hiding in North Carolina. This has happened to Jacksonville, Florida. It's like 300 miles away. Right.

But the guy's family who I told you about they were all strung out on drugs. Yeah. They're not coming to North Carolina. They're going to stay home and do dope. Yeah. so for me it was just about safety you know in telling my story over the years people were like oh he ran one i didn't have a warrant right uh yeah it was my obligation to report what happened but i didn't have a warrant well too it's not even if you're not concerned about yourself you're you've still got a daughter

like you you don't know what these fucking guys are going to do to your fucking kids or your wife or you you don't know what people will do to somebody else because the way they look at it is this guy killed my brother it's acceptable to kill his daughter or or his, you know, sister or wife, whatever. You don't know what they're going to fucking do. Your best bet is to just get, just remove yourself from the situation. Yeah, that's exactly what I did for three years. So we moved in North Carolina.

Totally changed my life. I'm up there working, doing like remodeling. Nothing, no drugs, selling no drugs, right? Right. My wife was working and kids in school. Like we were buying a place there in our name. Well, I think it was in her name, but she's my wife. Right.

It was nothing to look us up, right? And then later on, like when I finally did get arrested, I seen in the paperwork, the discovery, they came to my place numerous times. Detectives came there. And they were like, yeah, we see him. Like, he's in the yard. They'd write the report. They were like, you want us to get him? They're like, no, we don't have a warrant.

Don't even mess with him. They're just checking to see where you are. So at some point, we want to grab him. We know where he is. Yeah. But they never did. Never questioned me. I spoke to them that one time and said, do you have a warrant?

they said no so i lived there for three years and then um my brother-in-law he was uh like real lazy drug dealer he was the type of lets people come to the house all day like a trap house right they kick his door in three years later like like raided his place um i don't know the exact details because i didn't talk to him for years i just recently talked to him last year um he says a little bit differently but you know in my head it's still the same way it's always been he got to his door kicked in, sells white, you know, the dead buys in his house. Yeah. And later that day, he wrote a statement.

They charged me a first degree murder, dropped all his charges. What was his statement that you, that you had told him or he has to say that something has to say that he has knowledge of you doing this? He was with me. Oh, he was in passenger side. Oh, he was. Oh, I didn't know that part. Yeah, so he was in the passenger side of the dump truck. And over the years, they had questioned him multiple times.

He was like, oh, no, me and my girl were at a restaurant somewhere. And then now when this happened, when they kicked his door, and he's like, well, yeah, okay, I was in the truck. He was driving. But he did say, he did say in his statement that it was an accident. Like, he told the truth of what happened. Right. Right. But they charged me a first degree murder.

Capital felony. Death penalty. Holy shit. It was fucking, at best, it's vehicular manslaughter at best. Leaving a scene of an accident involving the death. Oh, okay. So what, in Florida, that elevates it to? Maximum is 15 on that.

When you see people getting that, because I sat in the county jail for two and a half years, they're getting like a year. Nobody's getting any time for that. Most people are getting like a year, six months, 10 months. For leaving a scene or for vehicular manslaughter? Leaving the scene of an accident involving a death. But you can get up to 15 is what I'm saying. But people that I've seen with that charge during my two and a half years of sitting.

in the county jail right once i got arrested they weren't getting more than a year because you weren't even charged with you were charged with no no no i'm saying that is actually what i was guilty of right but they charged me with first degree murder right okay so i'm living in carolina at the time three years i'd been up there right i bought a head shop like a little smoke shop and i'm sitting at that time my wife and i had separated uh she was with somebody else at at that time. So I'm at my shop just sitting there one day and my mom calls me. She's like screaming and the phone crying. She's like, you got a warrant for your arrest. It's first degree murder. I'm like, uh, what? She says they left a tape record a message. This was on May the 11th of 2003.

And on the message from the detectives, they said it's May the 11th, 2003. We got a warrant for your arrest for first degree murder. You got until May 29th to turn yourself in, which is my daughter's birthday. So, you know, over the years, they were investigating. They see me and my daughter really close. They're like, okay, you got a warrant for first degree murder. Go have your kid's birthday. Then turn yourself in. When she gave me the message, I'm like, they're not letting you have birthday parties while you're wanted for first degree murder. Like, oh, go have a party. Just turn yourself in later. When she told me that I hung the phone up and ran out of the store. There was a girl working for me at the head shop. She's like, what's going on? What are you doing?

I'm like nothing. I'm leaving. I didn't tell her shit. I never told anybody any details about the case. you know nobody's going to turn the shit around on me and so i ran out of the store a little while later that day the whole task force from jacksonville that they assigned to to like chase me they were there in carolina and they just didn't know where my head shop was but they found out and they came that day to the head shop but the girl had already locked the door she didn't know what was going on and when when they came they had the news cameras with them and they're outside shaking the door like let us in you ever read a headline and think wait that's not what i read earlier or hear a sort of story that was covered two totally different ways and think, I wonder which one's telling the

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That's why I love ground news. It helps me cut through the noise and stay truly informed. And right now, you can get 40% off the vantage plan for unlimited access. Just hit the link in my description, ground dot news backslash inside and start seeing the news differently today. Obviously, she let them in. But, yeah. And I talked to the detective later because I found out they came. And I was like, what are you doing? You said I got to my daughter's birthday.

You know, turn myself in. You're like, oh, you need to turn herself in. We're going to get you. I said, look, you may as well go back home because you're not going to get me before her birthday. Right. They're like, oh, we're going to get you. We've got a whole task force chasing you.

All right. You're wasting your time. so what happened i don't mean to laugh sorry i mean what happened uh so did you you avoided them until at some point you must turn you did you turn yourself in or they grab you i got tired um so they chased me multiple times uh and so from that point when they put the warrant out it was all over the tv everybody knew about it now people are like oh you can't like stay away from us you know friends family people were scared yeah and then they were threatening them you're to get charged with the harboring a fugitive or aiding and abetting so everybody's like oh you got to stay

away people that i knew up there right yeah and then my little girl's mother she's just like he can't be around us she can't see the kid and you know rightfully so yeah yeah but they don't want the kid traumatize you're you got the kid that you get pulled over the cops pulled the gun there's your little girls in the front seat screaming yeah that happened oh did it yeah so and rightfully so but in my thinking back then i might ever never get out of prison I want to see my fucking kid. And so her birthday was coming up. And I went about like little sentimental things that she would keep.

And so I had a friend of mine go call her, get a hold of my ex-wife, tell her, hey, meet me over here with, you know, my daughter. And then I forgot how he told her on the phone, but basically, hey, we're going to go meet him so he can give her stuff for her birthday. And so when he met her, he drove her all around different places to make sure nobody was following him. and I was at a like a roadside motel you know not a hotel but like a little motel with a room south front I'm there waiting on them and before they got there three girls pulled up in a car

and they're like hey can you tell us how to get to blah blah blah blah you know asking for directions they're being all flirty smiling and giggling and it's always my downfall right some cute fucking chicks so I'm like I'm thinking they're really talking right but they recognize me from the news the chicks

yeah so i'm over here talking to them da da da yeah go down here and you know just bullshitting with them right they leave and call the cops okay i don't think i'm not even thinking anything about it like they played it off really well so they leave called the cops a few minutes later my little girl's mother pulls up with my daughter and so me and my little girl's mother weren't really talking much at that time like we're kind of like pissed off at each other right she's got an attitude I got an attitude. And so while I'm talking to my daughter to give her her presence, I'm like,

hey, just go over there and look at the motorcycle because I had my motorcycle airbrush trying to like disguise it a little bit. And so while she's over around the truck door, my daughter's sitting in the truck, I'm talking to my kid. She's over here in front of the truck

where my motorcycle was. And she said, hey, there's cops coming. I'm like, whatever. She said there's three of them, or two or three. And they're not marked cop cars. Like, fuck.

She knows cop cars. and unmarked cop cars from being with me for years. So I look around the door, I'm like, oh, fuck. I get my kid a hug, go around the door, jump on my motorcycle. And the first cop that pulls up, the detective in the unmarked car, like my motorcycle is facing the road, right? He pulls in. The smartest thing for him to do was block the motorcycle,

knock the motorcycle. They know that's my motorcycle. They already put that on the news. He should have blocked it, knocked it over. Instead, he pulled beside it. He jumps out. he's got his gun drawn on him and he's shaking like clearly shaking i'm like dude don't shoot me i don't have a gun i took off on the motorcycle but my kid is here watching the whole thing right and like

obviously i didn't see like the fit that she was going through uh but later i was told that like she was like so hysterical about it she was pulling her hair like pulling her hair out how old was she none okay yeah like really bad day for her she's 31 now she says still when she goes by that exit off the highway because she still lives in Carolina when she goes past the exit it's just like anxiety for her like just not a good time driving by there still bothers her like I mean it bothers me but not that way I can drive by the exit no problem right yeah so that was um one of the first like serious times when they chased me jumped out with a gun right beside me so but they didn't chase you took off of the motorcycle they oh they chased in pursuit yeah the dude you just lost them

oh yeah this motorcycle do like 175 just like really fast and i can ride it pretty well so i whole ass down to the red light light's red there's traffic i'm like god damn it i get up to the front there's a bunch of traffic but i shoot across like straight it's like four lanes and main intersection i go across there's cars going everywhere and then a cop's coming almost hits me from behind like he's skidding i'm like but i took off he got on the highway but the thing about running from the cops is whatever road you're on highway you can't stay in that fucking view vehicle their radio is going to be way faster yeah yeah so when I get on the highway I hit the emergency lane doing like 175 I know I got to get off of the next exit which is like just a mile

or two like from that exit right when I get off at the next exit I immediately turn right turn right again that road's like a dead end road there's woods down there I drop down that road ditch the motorcycle in the woods take off running I'm running for like probably a couple hours there's a helicopter flying around I'm like hiding under shit there's uh they were building like houses this new construction. I'm running through new houses. And I end up in a neighborhood full of just like white people neighborhood. There's this for sure every single time.

If you're in a neighborhood of white people and the cops are chasing you, they're going to help. Yeah. They're coming out of their house to help you. They're chasing after you to help. They're going to try to tackle you. If you're in a black neighborhood, they're like, you go that way. We're going to tell you went that way or hide over here.

They're going to help you. So I'm in this white neighborhood. I'm trying to get a ride. Everybody's like, oh, get away from me. And so finally. I just keep running, running, running. And I don't know where I'm at, because I'm in just woods. I know the area, but I never been in these woods running around.

Right. Like going the way that I'm going right now. But finally, when I jump a fence into an apartment complex, it's like an all-black apartment complex. And I know a guy that lives there. And you're like, yes. That's what I was. It's great. I know I'm getting away now.

And so, but the apartments, I've only came in from the entrance to go to his house. He was a blind dude, too. Super cool fucking dude. I bought the head shop that I had from his cousin. Okay. But I've always came in from the entrance to get his apartment. I came over the back fence. I'm like, God damn, I'm trying to find this place.

I can't find which apartment he's in. And I've kind of been still in a panic. You know, the cops are chasing me. But there was a girl outside with her, a young chick, with her daughter outside. The kid was riding a bike. And I had a tank top on. My hair's like just, you know, I've been riding my motorcycle. My hair's going all crazy.

I'm cut up from the woods. I'm looking like something's wrong. Yeah. And so I go to the girl and I'm like, hey, can I use your phone? And she said, yeah. And so she didn't get a cell phone. She went, got her home phone. She came out and gave me the phone.

She's like, you want to go outside? Like, because she could tell something's wrong. All right. I'm with you. I got you. Thank you. So I go outside and use the phone. She stayed outside.

Just let me go in her place, right? I call my buddy, the same guy that had my ex-wife come and meet me. I'll call him. I'm like, dude, this is where I'm at. Come and fucking get me. He's like, all right, I'm on the way. This dude, like, it didn't matter what he's doing. He could be in the bed with this girl.

Right, bro. Can we get me? Okay. Bitch, get out of the way. I got to go. Right. Like, he was that fucking loyal. He ended up turning me in, by the way.

Oh, my God. Oh, to that point, it was super loyal. Right. Yeah. So, I call buddy. He comes. When I see him pull up, I run outside. He pops a trunk.

I get in the trunk. We take off. And, uh, good. I get away. He goes back and gets a motorcycle out of the woods, like a couple hours later. The cops never found the motorcycle. And so, you know, now I'm like safe again for a couple of days. Right.

But I'm just like running out of places to go and running out of like, what am I going to do? But the biggest thing for me was you're not going to arrest me before my kid's birthday. I already accomplished that. Right. Now I'm just running to run. Right. And you're doing it. all this because you're basically thinking I'm it's first degree murder oh yeah I'm probably going to get

life this guy definitely he died who knows what the story it who knows how this is going to turn out I don't even know what happened so how am I going to approve what happened right right and so I ended up meeting somebody who told me this guy makes fake IDs and uh said I tell the guy I need an ID he's like yeah no problem I get him pitcher he gives me an ID made a couple days later after I get the ID from the guy I meant this little small another one of those road roadside motel things i'm in the motel like in the evening time and the guy calls me he's like bro you know you're all over the news i'm like yeah no shit that's why i need to appreciate it dude like a day or two later i'm in the same place like watching tv i'm watching the news about me and this guy's on

the news the id guy right he's on there for identity fraud and all type of shit i call him i'm like hey dude you know you're on the news he's like yeah i don't know whatever happened with that guy never seen him again so But then I'm like, where am I going to go? They're like kicking doors in at family members' house. And so I'm running out of places to go. So I'm like, you know, the last place they're going to look for me is where this shit happened in Jacksonville.

You know, they're thinking I'm just running. So I go to Jacksonville. And I had a place where I could go that they had not been to. They haven't associated me with it yet. So I go to this chick's house down there, right? But there's a chick that I used to be real good friends with my ex was real good. friends with but it was kind of a jealousy thing you know father's day weekend was coming up and i was at that girls and uh i found out that my ex was down in florida with my kid so i call her

from that girl's phone i'm like i want to see my kid it's father's day weekend she's with another guy at the time right i'm like you're not fucking spending father's day weekend my kid with somebody else i want to see my kid and so we're arguing on the phone we're saying to do right in this situation right and she knows where i'm who you're with at least yeah if not where you're at you're with just you can figure out where you're exactly yeah and so um now i'm up during this time i was like fucking i'm gonna go to mexico i don't know what i'm gonna do over there but i'm go over there and so uh i was actually gonna get my window i had a little car that i was going to drive over there and i was going to go get the windows tended the day that her and i got an argument she had

called the cops and told him i was at a girl house. So that morning, this is 2003, right? People still had phone books. So I'm looking in the phone book calling window tent places. The girl, whose house I'm at? She's in the house asleep. So I was outside using the phone, you know, just being quiet. The cops are outside watching me. The detectives. One of them was one that pulled the gun on me, the old guy. Right. But there was three of them. They were waiting on backup because they know, like, they got to chase me. Right. So I go put the phone book up, and when I come back out, get in the car, I'm backing out. And when I'm backing out, I see them in my mirror, three unmarked cop cars, right?

I'm like, fuck. There's a loop in the apartments. The only reason to go in that loop is if you live in there. So I'm like, all right, let me go in the loop. If they come in a loop, you know, all right, you got to catch me. So I go, they start coming. I hit the gas. when I come out of the loop

the old man that was with the shaky gun he had did a U-turn and came like behind me like that now he's in front of them right and he can't drive worth the shit

so he tried to pit maneuver me you know where they hit your car yeah yeah but all he did was hit me straight in the back and just been like push me I appreciate it so I'm driving like their neighborhood

again you gotta get out of the car because they're going to catch you by radio I got ahead of them right And I ended up at an elementary school. It was a weekend. Right. There's no kids. There's no kids.

There's no kids. So I'm way ahead of them. Like, I don't see them anywhere behind me. I go through the school. I end up on the playground, like flying across the playground. I pull the emergency, it's a stick chef car with the emergency break. Right. I pull the emergency brick and jump out of the car while I was rolling.

The car goes, I jump out. I'm running. I jump over a fence. I end up an apartment complex, all white people. all you hear is sirens right like clearly the cops are coming right yeah and i'm running and so they're picking out the phone no this dude comes running behind me like while i'm running across the apartment right the dude's running behind me and he's yelling hey come back the cops one no shit that's why i'm running oh what do you like i'm a turnaround be like oh they wanted me

no shit buddy dude i've been running from the cops since i've been a little kid Like way before all this, I ran from the cops a lot. And I could run fast and jump fence. It's really good. So I'm running. This whole apartment complex has a big tall, like 10, maybe 12 foot fence, chain link fence around it. When I get it the other side and jump the fence, the dude's like, oh, damn. You don't even try to jump the fence.

There's another car coming down the road right there. He stops them. He's like, hey, help me get this guy. The cops are trying to get him. I'm like, what a fucking idiot. Like, I'm already across the fence over here. Where I jumped it, it ends up on like, a real main road like the main road in that town right right but i landed a gas station

when i land i'm looking there's a black crown victoria with the cop light cop wheels tint of windows it don't it doesn't look like one that somebody bought you know how you can buy them from the auction yeah it looks legitimate i'm like damn i just jumped right in a frying pan where am i going to go but then there's a black dude walking with dreads to go get in the car okay i'm like oh i'm saved i ran up on the dude uh that was getting in the car like scared him. He's like, hey,

I'm like, bro, give me a ride. Cops are chasing me. He's like, get in. That's where. But he's like,

get in. He had a big fountain drink in the passenger forward. When I got in, I kicked his drink over. He's like, don't even worry about it. He's like,

where you want to go? I'm like, bro, I don't care. Just drive. Get me out of here. Dude, when we pull out on that main road,

there is cops every fucking word. They're in the median. They're like driving down the wrong way on the road. Right. And we just blend right in. Right. So he takes me to the main bus station and, you know, city bus, the main bus terminal, downtown in Jacksonville.

And there was a cop there. Like, there's always a cop there. They just, they come there in their car and then they get out and walk around patrolling. Right. I'm like, let me out by the cop car. You know, they never expect you to do shit right in front of them. Right. So I get out there and go sit on the, I see the cop.

You know, he's not part of that chase. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't. Yeah, and I have any idea what's going on. So I sit on the bus, bench, and then wait on the bus. And I get a ride to the Mexican friend, the guy I told you about before we started. I get a ride over to his apartment. And this dude back then, a friend of mine, the Mexican guy, he paid for like everybody around him. He paid for everybody to live, fat him.

He paid for every fucking thing. So I get a ride to his apartment. I'm like, bro, I need to chill for a few days. He's like, yeah, come on. So I hang out there. He knows what's happening? Oh, yeah, he knows. Yeah, he's cool.

So I got with him for a few days. And then I'm like, where I need to go to Carolina. I lost in that car. You know, they took the car, that dead shit at the playground. So I'm like, I need to go to Carolina. Get my motorcycle. So he's like, all right, come on. He takes me to Carolina.

I pick up my motorcycle. I come back down. Hung out for a few more days. And I'm like, man, I got to get out of here. I got to go to Mexico. And I was going to drive my motorcycle all the way to Mexico. But the guy that I told you, the one that was real loyal, that would do whatever.

If I call him, like, bro, come to get me? he's like okay cool he owed me like seven or eight hundred bucks just a little bit of money and i call him and like hey man i need to come pick my money up i'm going somewhere he's like all right cool but we got to do it early in the morning this dude never gets up early in the morning right so that was a red flag right then but i was like fuck it um it's whatever so when i get up to carolina i left from jacksville get up to carolina like four hours three four hours later i stop at a pay phone at the time i'm not using cell phone anymore you know just in case I try to track you on it.

I'll call the guy from a payphone, and it was at the exit where I was supposed to meet him. I'm like, bro, something doesn't seem right. I'm going to meet you at the next exit, which is 10 miles from there. When I get on the highway, this is on I-95 in South Carolina. When I get on the highway, there's like a steel cable divider separates the two sides of the highway.

There's a whole caravan of cops going to that exit, where I just came from, SUVs, cop cars. Clearly, they're going there for me. I'm like, this mother, damn it. You think it was over the 700 bucks? No, he got some other trouble. Come to find out later, he got some other trouble. So in order to get out of that trouble, he actually got caught with a bag of counterfeit money.

Okay. Yeah. So it's federal. So he's trying to get 40% off his sentence. He didn't get anything. Are you serious? Nothing. Oh, that's right.

Think about what the guy he's turning in is wanted for murder. Yeah. That's a big deal. Dropped them completely. So I go to the next exit and when I pull off, they're way back there, right? I'm like a few miles ahead of them. So when I pull off, I go into a gas station. I parked the motorcycle.

I didn't know what I'm doing at this time. I'm just like, you know what I'm going to let them get me. Fucking I'm tired. So part the motorcycle. I threw the keys into bushes, like by the motorcycle. And then when I came out of the store, I went to the McDonald's across the street. I went in there, I bought a Sprite. This is the last Sprite.

I hadn't always remember this fucking Sprite, right? So I'm standing in McDonald's drinking my Sprite. You know, you can see I'm, there's a bunch of windows around McDonald's, right? So I'm standing there drinking my Sprite. Dude, there's cups everywhere, but they're across the street where the motorcycle is. And now they're starting to come through, now they're going to other, all the other shit. You know, the stores, McDonald's. They ride around McDonald's.

I'm standing here drinking my drink. I'm like, I don't know if I'm ready to go yet. You know, the back door. by the bathroom as soon as it's clear i go out the back door ran through the woods and i end up on a dirt road this is long dirt road to everybody's got like two or three acres of land they got a double wide trailer no country live yeah so i go all the way to the end knock on the door and now this is right beside i 95 right there's a barrier of trees and then the dirt road in the people's land right so it's right beside 95 and uh again i'm around a motorcycle so my hair is kind of like

sticking up i'm looking crazy i knock on a door black dude comes at the door i'm like this is great saved so dude comes the door like hey man i'm broke down on the highway over there i just come through the woods a motorcycle's broke can i use your phone he's like yeah no problem he goes in and gets the phone comes back out gives me the phone he's back inside while i'm using the phone i'm calling uh i call my sister to tell her where i was at like come and get me and uh he when he went aside, helicopter comes. You can hear it come,

you know? So I get under his front porch. He doesn't see me. Get under the porch. I'm under the porch. Like, oh, shit. Helicopter flies right over. I'm like, damn, this is bad.

So I knock on the door. I'm like, hey, dude, it's hot out here. You mind if I come in? He's like, come on in. So when I go aside, I end up calling, my sister said she was going to come and get me, but I call my little girl and her mother

just in case. And I'm like, you know, know this might be it they may get me i don't know if i have time to get it away from here right because they're eventually going to track me with the dog but i asked the guys like hey man is there any way you can give me a ride i forget where i asked him to give me a ride he's like yeah sure let me get ready uh but he had two kids and i said let me get him and the kids ready and i'm like all right cool well in meantime i'm still on the phone with my little girl's mother and my kid and you know while he's getting ready and his kids keep running around the house they're like just

playing jumping on shit being loud and then uh the little girl was like dad there's cops outside he lives at the end of a dirt road in the country and there's some white guys that's just knocked yeah there's never yeah on your door he said get away from the door right well he didn't even go look he just like get away from the door so the kids start playing more and now she's like dad there's a lot of them and they got dogs oh they look at you is he looking at you like no he went out there and look. And he's like, what the hell? Dude, they got their ninja turtle suits on. Yeah. And so he's like, man, what is going on? I'm like, look, bro, they're here for me. How's he not putting this together? He didn't until, I mean, he asked me like, what's going on.

But at first, he wasn't like, hey, what? He wasn't suspicious. Right. I'm like, dude, like, they're here for me. And then, so I lift my shirt up. I'm like, look, I don't have any weapons. I'm not trying to hurt anybody. I said, but these people, like, it could potentially turn crazy. is there any way that like you can put the kids up but I'm coming here and get me in front of you like don't send me out of the door like they may shoot me when I come out the door right he's like yeah no problem

he puts kids in a room he's like you ready I see yeah he's like hey he's in here they come running in they come running in with their little suits and jump on me like you know yeah like they're doing something major he got their knee in my back

growling and like threatening me and shit what's your name I'm like you know who I am I don't have anything to say to you guys take me to job And so they obviously take me to jail. Well, first they take me out in the yard and put me in the dirt. Like, it's all dirt out there, right? Right.

They got me sitting in the dirt behind the car. And they got their dog, there's rammer shepherd all in my face. Like, I'm tongue hanging out, slobbering on me. I'm like, man, get your fucking dog out of my face. Like, you have me. Right. What's the purpose there? What are you doing?

So finally, they get a dog and take me to the jail. I think it was maybe Buford, South Carolina, some little small town up there, right? And take me to the jail to second. floor it's not like a real big jail just real small country shit right and the room that they put me in the windows are open but i'm handcuffed behind my back right so i'm like and there's nobody in the room and the windows open and i'm looking out they're like can i make it oh no this is going to hurt so i'm like i ain't going to do it oh okay i was going to say can you get out of the handcuffs yeah that was the problem yeah i'm not i'm not experienced with getting out of these

handcuffs. Some people, you know, like, I have big hands. You know what I've seen, I've seen some guys. Oh, yeah. They do their thumb and like, pull the shit. Like, no matter what, they see you able to do it. Yeah, I could never do that. Yeah, that wasn't going to work.

So I'm sitting there, and the two main detectives from Jacksonville come in, the task force guys, they're playing the good cop, bad cop. When I was running this mouth, I'm going to do everything I got to do to make sure you get life. And I'm like, everything. you got to do is like way beyond your job description how about you just do your job like what do you mean by everything i got to do you know just present evidence right and then the other one comes over he's like hey i just want to shake your hand i say shake my hand for what you're taking me to jail he's like you're the hardest person i ever had to catch i said we're not friends yeah yeah you're impressed with

you yeah all right yeah yeah yeah so take me to jail a couple days later they they extradite me back down to Jacksonville. Then they pulled the whole fun, like, instead of taking, Jacksonville, Duval County Jail is a real big jaw. Like when you come in, then you're the cop car, they raise the gate,

you go outside the, like, Sally Port. You know, they don't bring you outside. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, when they brought me from Carolina,

they park right outside the, so it's a county jail with the police memorial building. Like, there's big steps that go up. There's a lot of people out there all the time. They park right there. They already called the news.

Yeah, They, the perp walk, right? Yeah, they did the perp walk. Yeah, cops are up. We got this bad guy. They turned it. They said it was a drug deal going bad. I'm maliciously murdered the guy.

I'm like, wow. The evidence, nothing shows that, right? Nobody's even seen like the discovery at this point. It's just what they were spinning. Yeah. You know? So take me to county jail, charged me a first degree murder, capital felony. And they, well, no, they take me to the police memorial building first.

where they like try to interview you they put me in the interview room like with a table like this right and they come in there trying to ask me shit i said look i don't have anything to say you've investigated me for three years i haven't spoken to anybody i'm not speaking to you now you can take me to my jail self i don't have nothing to say they let me sitting there for a couple hour you know it's freezing cold in the room you're trying to hope like what do you think this cold air is going to break me no i'm not saying shit to you nothing i say to you is going to help me So they took me to myself. Right.

So what is your, they, they give you, you get a public defender? At first I had a public defender, right? And there was a girl that I went to school with that she was like a, what is it when you work for, like, they do the research for an attorney, paralegal. Yeah, a girl I went to school with paralegal. And so she was coming to see me like daily. She's like, look, dude, we're going to beat this. It's not even a problem. The public defender they gave me, she's like, he's the best one we have.

We can beat it. No problem. I'm like, okay. Hopefully. Sounds good. And then, I don't know how long it was. You know, this is all 22 years ago, 2003. At some point, while I was there, they take me back to court and say that there's a conflict

of interest. The guy, the brand in front of me, the brother he prior to me getting arrested had gotten arrested and was represented by the public defender's office so now they can't represent me because of the conflict of interest so they have to give me a court appointed attorney right all right i'm thinking that's a good thing now in the meantime when i was i had a house in jacksonville that was almost paid for it 2004 was paid for right um but i put it my grandmother's name like a quick claim deed because I was worried about, like, losing it through this thing.

And so I tell my grandmother, hey, go take some, get the houses I'm going to pay for. Pull some money out of the house and go get me an attorney. She's like, oh, you don't need one. You'll be fine. What are you talking about? And so she would not do it. And I already put the house in her name. Right.

So I can't do anything, right? And the girl from the public defender's office that I went to school with, her name was Michelle. She's dead now. I got a car wreck. I think it died. She came to see me one day. She's like, dude, this attorney they assigned you is trash. She's like, if you don't get a real attorney, you're fucked.

Right. I'm like, oh, really? I call my grandmother, you got to get an attorney. Right. There's no other option. She's like, oh, you're fine. You don't need one. You know, she's like thinking it's not a big deal.

I'm like, this lady is tripping. So, you know, when you're in California, I don't know. I don't know if you sat in the county jail long, but county jail, people are looking out the window all day. You know, this is when visitors are coming in that county jail, visitors could come every day. So there's guys are looking out of the window all day. I'm looking out the window, and I'm going to do all county jail, right? So I'm way up on the fifth floor, which is like 10 stories because each floor is like two stories. So I'm pretty high up in there, right?

And I see this truck pulling in. It looks like a friend of mine. I'm like, damn, this looks like a buddy of mine from Carolina. A little while later, they call my name for visit. I walk in and it's my buddy, dude named Mike. man how do you even know i was here he's like dude it was all over the news he's like why didn't you tell us i didn't tell you i didn't tell anybody he's like man we would have helped you like you could have went not these they owned like a car lot a restaurant they had a bunch of

money they were like we could have hit you on the property like okay i went telling anybody uh so he said you got in the attorney i'm like no i got a public defender or you know court appointed the attorney right yeah so he's like man find in the attorney i'm going to be here for a few days find out who a good attorney is i'll go talk to him all right cool go back you know who knows who good attorneys are the guys in jail they know all the right i go back and ask him who's a good attorney they're like craig williams uh which he was a phenomenal attorney so my buddy comes back to visit i'm like go talk to craig williams he goes and talks to him hires him pays for it pays for the attorney yeah nice yeah and this what's crazy is this guy how i met him

was when I was doing remodeling work, I had like an ad in the paper. He just called me randomly. They lived in a mobile home trailer. They had plenty of money. They just lived out in the country on some acres and a mobile home trailer. He spent like $25, $30,000 on this single wide trailer.

Just in me remodeling, like doing some new shit. I don't know you're building a deck on the front, on the back, some carpet, flooring. Like, just build a house. Right. It was weird. Really good dude, though. So he pays for,

the attorney they get on my case they get the motion of discovery they're coming to see me frequently it was there was two attorneys uh Craig and uh shelly and uh they're like dude we got this beat it's not a problem but they have uh on my motion to discovery there's 110 people that over the years they spoke to so it's 110 people they got to go through you know right so i'm going to court for like two and a half years just going to court back and forth they won't give me a uh bond. This dude's a flight risk. Right. Well, obviously there's no argument. I can't even argue with that. Uh, so two and a half years going to court, going to court, going to court. It's a big ass headache. County jail sucks. Did they find your fake ID when they grabbed you or? Not that one.

Okay. Not that back. When they found that counterfeit money. Yeah. The bag of it, they found one of my IDs, but they didn't do anything for that, but no, I understand. Still, I was going to say that's even one more reason. Yeah. Not to give you any kind of bond. no matter what oh but no i did get arrested on another in between all this you're right um i was on my motorcycle this is all right so before they put the warrant out this is a couple months before i'm going from carolina to florida and i was you know it's called lane splitting where you go between the cars yeah so i'm doing like 110 on the stripe not that fast there's 100 miles 110 right california where i live you can do that shit all day right you're a lot of lane

split over there you're not you know Carolina so I'm going between the cars and there's a cop in the median I'm like damn it so I jump over real quick I don't know if he's seen me or not but I'm like if he comes after me I'm doing 110 lane in between cars I'm going to jail probably right now reckless driving so here he comes like god damn it you got to catch me so I hit the emergency lane take off but I ended up um so I'm headed south South Carolina ended up at like mile marker five, which is five miles to Georgia. So I'm like running out of highway because if you try to cross into the state line, they're going to throw a strip out, you know?

And there's already a bunch of them like coming up ahead of me, like trying to cut me off. Right. So I get off at X of 5. I turn right. And when you go to, I've never been down here before. When you go down that road, it like comes to a T stop, you know? That road ends. Now you can turn left or right. Right. I turn right. It's just a little two lane road. that two-lane road goes all the way back to the county jail. Okay.

So I'm headed down this two-lane road, like flying down it, going around cars, in between cars. Cops are trying to run me off in the ditch. And finally, like, when I'm ahead of them, I'm like, I'm a crash. Like, I came close to crashing a few times. If you crashed, I'm like 150, 170, it's over with, right? I'm still trying to live. So I ditch a motorcycle, run into the woods.

Ran for about two hours into the woods. and dude it was like winter time freezing ran through a bunch of water like i'm just it's miserable but i get way into the woods i did have cell phone with me at the time right i get way into the woods and uh the helicopter's out too it never spotted me but i could hear it you know they started laying around there's a pine tree that it like so the pine tree fell and the base of it was kind up in the air still and i got up underneath there and like cover myself with pine straw and i called a friend of mine on cell phone. I told him where I was at. He's like, all right, I'm coming to get you. Yeah, that's insane. I don't think I could call anyway. If I call Colby and said,

hey, listen, man, the cops are following me. Can you come get me? He'd be like, I got two kids and I'm white. It's your problem. Yeah. This is a good friend of mine. He's dead, too, no. Jeez. So he, uh, he's coming to get me, right? But it's a couple hours, two and a half hours from Jacksonville. And so, uh, I'm laying under that tree. Right. And finally I hear a cowbell dinging. Like ding ding ding ding.

It was the dog, canine dog. Mm. And they don't see me. Now the cops have caught up with the dog and the dog's going crazy. They leash the dog. They're holding him. And they're screaming,

where are you at? Come out. We know you're in there. The dog. We're going to release the dog. I'm like, fuck. If they release a dog,

this bitch are going to chew your ass out. I'm like, hey, you got me. I put my hand down from my tree. So they, they arrest me. They're like,

doing you uh you what'd they say were you in the military i was like no it was like man you were so hard to find i was like yeah i'm just trying to get away nothing to do with the military just trying to get away from you guys so uh and carry me back out of there take me to jail we go to court so it was weird too it's the only court that i've ever been to were the judge that was i think she was called a magistrate she's sitting at like a desk like what we're sitting at right now instead of like up on a bench she's sitting like i'm standing above her and she's like son, you're the talk of the town. I'm like, oh, great.

She said, I'm going to have to set you a high bond. You don't have an ID because I have ID with me. She said, you don't have any ties to our town. And so she was going to send me a high bond. And, you know, running from the cops, right? She said, $500,000, which is $5,000. I'm like, oh, lady. You just messed up.

But I was under a fake name. Really? Yeah. But they took your fingerprints. They just didn't match. They didn't have digital. So when they take your, it was a small town. They did the card.

They got to send that card to a whole other county. Listen, listen, what year was this? 2003. So I've been, do you know how many times that like I, and I've told people this over and over again? I had a friend that was a sheriff's deputy. And exactly what you just told me is exactly what he had told me. And when I was on the run with this chick, I used to say, she'd be like, what if you get arrested? I go, if I get arrested, I'll get arrested, and I had an ID, if I had many IDs, that was issued, I would go in the DMV, and they'd give me an ID.

Like, I'd survey a homeless guy, get his information, order his birth certificate, shot, birth certificate, social security card, registered a vote in his name, and go to a state where he didn't have an ID. I'd get an ID and she was always like, well, you're wanted, they have your finger up, but you don't understand. if they arrest you because this is what I've been told by my buddy who was the sheriff's deputy with Hillsborough County. This was back in, by the way, this was in 2003 to 2006. I was like, if I get arrested, I'll have an ID. So if your identity isn't in question, I go, they don't run your, they don't run you against AFIS right away. He used to say, because the federal government at that time charged him he would say um they one if your identity is not in question he goes they don't even run it he just goes you got an ID issued by the state and he's like if it's not

in question we don't even run it he's worst case scenario if it is he's like sometimes they do them in batches they take the card and everything and then he said they'll scan it and they'll they'll send off he was but that might not be for a month he's like so you can i said i can be arrested processed and have bail set and get out before they ever, if ever run it. And I've had people text me, that's not true. They would know immediately, they'll run your fingerprints. I was like, bro, this was before all that. So anyway, I love that you just said that because I've always, that's what I had thought

I'd been told. And when I got arrested, I was told by cops when I was arrested. Yeah, bro, he's like, if you had a driver's license, they may never run it, especially in a small town because they charge them. right so anyway I'm sorry that's exactly what it was just when I feel good about myself I knew I knew I was right I knew I was right finally so yeah confirmed it yeah so they ran it on the paper right the card right yeah roll your finger friends all right and that same as soon as they gave me the my friend was already coming up there right he still came and when they gave uh he went he knew what to do he went

and found out how much my bond was paid it a few hours later I'm out of there I was already looking at jail, like, I think I can get out of here. It's a little bitty jail. Like, you can probably knock a wall down and get out of here. But my buddy bonded me out under somebody else's name. Right. So the guy's name that I was under was him and I, we were like drug dealing partners back in the day.

Right. That both said, oh, we need to start a business. So we started a paint company, but registered it at my house. And so all our information came back to my house. house. Right. So I had all his info. And that's how you got the firefighters or the idea. No, I didn't. Yeah. No, I didn't even have the ID. I just had a ship memorized. Oh, okay. Yeah. And never really planned to do that. Right. Until like things started changing toward the end like when the cops started to chase me a little bit or I

had a feeling they were. Um, so I memorized his information. But I would not have used his information. But when I went to jail in 98 for the sales of white, he, he, uh, prior to me getting sentenced, like while I was out in Bonn, he's like, oh, don't worry about it. I'll take care of your girl while you're gone. Right. And I thought it was a joke. Right. It wasn't a joke.

So when I found out, I was like, oh, okay. All right, I'm going to get you. I called him. When I found out, this is before I got my warrant from my arrest. I called him. I said, look, I'm already probably going to go to prison forever. We're just going to add you to the list. So I'm on my way down there.

Right. He's like, what are you talking about? You know what I'm talking about. He called the cops on me. Said I was on my way to kill him. But you never went? No, I was going until he called the cops. When he called the cops?

I'm like, dude, we don't do that. You're calling the cops. Just handle whatever like a man, you know? But so, yeah, that deal around my plan. I'm calling the cops. So you got out on the first one. Now you're, so when they grabbed you on the, the second one you're still locked up on the second charge which one what what is it now the the one where

they the murder charge oh yeah yeah yeah but let me tell you what so i get out on that bond right just for whatever it was reckless driving or something i hire an attorney and get him put on probation oh the guy who's fake name that i used they put him on probation violate right yeah i'm i don't do none of this stuff i'm supposed to do community service donate food obviously i'm not going to go do any of that they end up arresting him right and that's when they found out the prince dead match okay but when they end up arresting him i'm already arrested for that like first degree murder right and so they're like you want to press charges on him he's like nah he's already in enough trouble yeah so that was kind of uh kind of cool for him right we're friends now too oh okay that's a decent

thing you did there at the end um so yeah now I'm back in the county jail where were we at So they gave you the new lawyer that you're, the paralegal saying, no good. You've got to get a lawyer. And then your buddy came in and had paid for a new lawyer. Got the lawyer. What happened with the lawyer? Well, I'm going to court for two and a half years. But, you know, there's 110 people on that discovery, right?

So they got to question all those people, see which ones are relevant to the case. So it's taking time, right? At two and a half year point, the attorney called. calls me to court, you know, like a, I didn't even know I had court. It was just like a surprise court date. And they offered me, uh, um, manslaughter. But at this time, now I'm studying the case. Like, I know what I'm actually guilty of, leaving the scene of an accident involving a dead. I'm not guilty of manslaughter, a vehicle or homicide. I'm not guilty of that. So no, I'm not taking that deal. So they offered me that. And I said, no, I'm not taking it.

You know, they offered it my attorney. My attorney tells me, I said, no. That was it. go back next morning they call me to court again like a surprise court date and they because i didn't accept the charge they added on they amended my charges and they added on second degree murder they added on um uh the manslaughter and attempted murder no they added what it was was they had me for a second degree murder now attempted murder on the guy that ran in front of me and then leaving the scene of an accident involving a death so now i got three charges and they said i got to go to trial on all three. So I'm like, hey, I'll take that mass order deal. Right. You're not going to beat all three. Well, I was going to say, well, yeah, I was going to say they're going to, they're going to,

the juries, you know, if they can't prove, they know they can't prove this one, they can prove that when the jury is eventually going to find you guilty of the lower sentence. Yeah. And because you went to trial. Yeah. And you're going to get the max. Yeah. That you get what, 15? 15. Yeah. Except if they found guilty of attempt and murder on the brother right florida's life you can get life the attempted murder of the brother he ran in front of the vehicle ran in front of the vehicle but it doesn't matter you're going you're arrested right right in front of a jury yeah they're going to bring up my past which my arrest record is a million miles long all type of crazy shit uh so there's this is a no win right so what it what you've already got a year or two years

in two and a half two and a half So how much, what is that, that's not 15, though. You're, they saying a low end? At the beginning, they said take manslaughter at zero to 15 when I said, no, the day before. Yeah. When they call me back and I'm like, okay, I'll take it. Now they changed it five to 15. Present your case to the judge.

Right. Not jurors, but to the judge. So when I took the deal, we get, me and my attorney get to present the case. The prosecutor presents their case, right? What kind of judge is it? he's dead by the way okay i don't think there's too many people that are deceased you've outlived a ton of people yeah he uh you know i don't know like i wanted to interview him like now years later right just ask him like why did why do you come up with

the decision that you came up with right because it was extremely clear that what happened was accident like you know um the bailiffs that work in court every day yeah They had been telling me, they're like, dude, when they started seeing all the evidence, because, you know, the court dates leading up to us presenting the case, you don't see the evidence. Now these three days where we're presenting the evidence, the bailiffs are like, dude, if he can't see that's an accident, he doesn't need to be a judge. Right. They don't have any reason to be on my side. Yeah.

They're just hearing the evidence. The three days that he gave us to present the case on the last, I think it was the last day, the last person that came up to testify about the family's refugee. in the neighborhood, there was this big pitcher, like on an easel that was turned around backwards. It was just like a white board. I didn't even know what it was. Nobody knew. My attorney didn't tell anybody what he was doing.

That last person testified. He got up, didn't say anything, walked up to the easel, turned it around. There's a dude laying there dead. A big pitcher. Right. His whole side of the family, a courtroom, that guy, the day guy, his whole family jumped up screaming. they're like we're gonna fucking kill you

one of them ran and jumped over the the middle right it's like trying to get me right hit a cop bailiff punched one kick one in the nuts and bit one not the sister that caused all of it but another sister an older sister the whole family's like screaming

trying to fight the judge is banging on the thing he locked the door dude they grabbed that lady that jumped the thing slammed her on the ground choked her drug her out of the like took her to jail pure mayhem right so then when it's all done all everything's presented and in the whole time during that time everything the uh prosecutor was presenting duty sounded like a fucking bumbling idiot like if i would have known how like inexperienced or just how bad he was going to sound i probably just would

have went to trial on everything because this dude was terrible but my attorney was really good so at the very end when everything's done the judge calls me like he calls you in front of the court right and he says it's clear to the court you know the court is a judge right yeah yeah it's clear to the court what happened was accident had you went to trial no criminal jury would find you guilty so me you hearing that what is that mean no criminal you're gonna get five you're you're there on five did no what does this mean no criminal jury would find you guilty it sounds like you're innocent yeah but you've pled guilty but you've pled guilty I played guilty, yeah, from five to 15.

So he has to give you to, in his, in my, to me, he would, he knows you're innocent. He should give you five years. Right. Because that's the lowest he can go, right? It is. Yeah. Okay. He said, but, because you didn't tell us what happened.

You didn't say, but. You left the butt out. Yeah. Well, here's the butt part. Right. But when he said that to me, I'm like, I see it. Everybody in the court sees it. I'm glad he sees it.

He just said what happened was an accident. if you would have went to trial, no criminal jury would find you guilty. Then he said, but because you're going to tell us what happened, I'm going to give you 10 years to think about it. Holy fuck off. He just sentenced me 10 years to think about something. Yeah. At that point, remember, it was from 2000. They didn't arrest me for three years.

I sat in here for two and a half years. I'm like, you fuck, I'm sitting here already five and a half years thinking about it. I'm going to think about it for the rest of my life. I don't need to sit in prison for 10 years to think about it. What does that even mean to think about it? That's not why you sentence people. not only that like we know like I took the pleado right I took the pleado but when a judge knows you for sure you're innocent and says it in court you're innocent it's illegal to sentence you for that

crime okay but I took the pleado later when I got to prison you know you get around all the prison attorneys yeah yeah that's when I found out that it is actually illegal to sentence you but because I took that pleado I can't take it back there's no recourse no no you don't have like a year to no because you pled guilty okay i played guilty yeah never mind um so 10 years how much do you you do like 85% in florida's 85 yeah eight and a half years you've done two and a half so you still got six you still got six years to go yeah does that does halfway house cut into the six years no yes yeah it should then in florida state time doesn't have halfway house god that sucks yeah so you got six years to go. Yeah. On a, well, on vehicle, is that like, do they consider, like, how, how harsh is that?

Like, what kind of a prison do you have to go to? You don't have to go to maximum. You start out, like, everybody that comes in goes to a reception. Right. And then they classify you. And then you just work your way down from there. But you start out at the higher end. And then you just work your way down. But there's people, like, if you're driving us to spend a license, I know a guy that got five years for that, but he was habitual. You still start out at the high point and work your way. down you can end up on minimum i ended up on minimum security i ended up on minimum security i ended up for how long um year and a half okay two years maybe um but the day i got when he sentenced me i'm like i'm not doing 10 years you're tripping there's no way i'm going to do it and not thinking

like i'm going to hurt myself because like i had a friend a friend of mine uh tattooed this name on my arm he got life and he's like bro i'm not doing life i'm myself He was not kidding. This dude would do all type of crazy stuff in the jail. Like, just this whole other story. But one day, like, I choked him unconscious, just wrestling. And when he woke up, he's like, have you ever been unconscious? No.

When you wake up, you're like, hey. It's a weird feeling. And so when he woke up, he's like, dude, chugged me again and don't let go, kill me. I'm like, dude. No thanks. Yeah. No, thanks. He ended up pain.

He helped himself in perfect. So I wasn't thinking that type of thing, right? But I'm thinking I'm getting the fuck out of here one way or another. I don't know how it's going to be, but I'm leaving here. And not when you release me. And so, you know, most people, when they're getting off the bus, they're trying to fit into the prison system. State, they're trying to, like, join a gang or, like, hang out with their buddies,

run around, do drugs, chase punks around, you know, all the bullshit. I'm looking at, like, one, I don't run around with a group of people. Right. But I'm like, okay. how can I get out of here is all I'm looking for initially when I got there I'm like there's no way to get out of this this is a reception center yeah okay real high security there and then even when I get to the medium next door is still like really high security right but then out so I got a job working in the barbershop working at the barbershop you get to meet like the officers come by there all the time the maintenance

people come by so then I get put on a maintenance crew just from like knowing people and stuff right when I get put on the maintenance crew I get to go every Everywhere. Like my boss was a civilian boss, but he was lifetime corrections, right? So he worked in corrections for like probably 40 something years, I think, before he retired. And when he retired, he just came to work as a civilian maintenance boss. And like this his whole life. That's all he wanted to do is be at the prison. But he was actually a really cool old guy. He's like the only person my entire time. He treated me just, he treated me like a person, never like a like a prisoner. You know, really cool guy. It kind of sucks, too, because, you know, I just found this out today. This is the first time I told this. Like, when I was planning my whole escape, the only thing I, like, second-guessed was, like, my boss. Like, I would feel bad, like, escaping because I'm working for him.

Yeah, yeah, it's going to look bad on him. Yeah. And that was the only thing I second-guess was like him, you know, because I really liked the dude. You just said you felt bad. You said you not felt bad, but you said you just felt bad. I found out today on when I was driving here. His grandson messaged me last night. He's like, hey, I don't know if you remember me.

I used to come to the maintenance building. I'm a, they call him Papa Jean. His name was Mr. Griffith. And he's like, yeah, I'm his grandson. I don't know if you remember me. Like his whole family was corrections, right? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I remember you. So on the way here, I was messaging the guy.

I was like, how is he, by the way? He's like, oh, he died two years ago. Yeah. so like hindsight or whatever regret like you know i always wanted to reach out of that guy and just apologize because i like i genuinely felt bad about it right and but i was always like man oh i don't want to face it right he's probably gonna be like you know he'd be pissed off right did he lose his job or anything no no okay no you couldn't there's no taking that guy's job okay um but huh it was fine then his grandson told me he's like you know what even after you escaped

He always talked highly of you. I was like, oh, that was good, didn't it? All right. Yeah. So you're on the main, sorry. Yeah, yeah. So what were we at? You're working for?

Yeah, I got to work for, I go to work on the maintenance career, right? Are you, you're all over the, you said you could go, you were going all over the place, but are you going outside of the prison? Yeah. So the prison that I'm at is three prisons. You got reception, like the medical center. It's on a huge compound of property, right? So you got reception, you got the West unit, and then you got the work camp.

So initially I was at the main unit, then I went reception. I went from there to the west unit. That's where I got the job as the barber. And then from there, once I got put on maintenance, I got moved to the work camp. And so it was when I was on the work camp that I was really going like, I would just get on the golf cart and go from camp to camp with him. We're always on prison grounds, but you're going from. There's no fence all the way.

Yeah, there's no fence. No. So you could go straight into the woods, right? Oh, yeah, you can. Okay. But there's thousands of acres of their woods. Right. Where are you going to go?

Yeah. You got to get a vehicle to get out of there. No, I know. But I mean, it sounds to me like you pretty much have been arranging that for your entire life. I was calling somebody saying, hey, pick me up. Yeah. No, I was already thinking about it. I was going to steal one of their vehicles.

Okay. I got to get out of here. So working in maintenance, though, let me see how all their perimeter of shit works. The shift changes. Like, a lot of times I don't have to. be in at shift change because I'm at work you know so I got to see all the stuff like I really shouldn't have been seeing right you know and especially with him being my boss like nobody ever questioned him he could go where he wants when he wants I'm going in like security areas

I'm not supposed to be in like I get to see everything and uh but during this time there was a female guard that came to work at the work camp in my dorm and one day when they called me for visit so I don't know how it worked where you was at but and when they call you to visit, or any movement outside of the dorm, you have to get a pass from the officer station. Right. Okay. So the lady calls my name for visit. And when I go up to get my pass, she's got her hand on the pass.

Like, it's, she's an officer station with like a block cut out where you, like, you know, the booth where you get stuff there. And she's holding her hand on the pass. And I'm like, uh, what are you doing? Right. I'm trying to go to visit. She's like, I've seen you over there getting ready. Like, what?

What are you talking about? You're watching me get ready It's kind of weird I'm like I grabbed a pass I ain't time for this shit I gotta go So I get my pass and go to visit Totally ignore what she just said

But the reason why It's like That prison There's a lot of females that work there Because like the medical center Friends of mine We're always chasing the women

Right But you always get caught Yeah Even if you're not just caught redhandedly Somebody's telling Because there's jealous people Yeah So it never last

And I would tell my friends, I'm like, you're fucking, you're stupid. You're going to get messed up. Like, you're either getting beat up, transferred, or worse. Right. Right. And I'm like, I would never get caught like that. And so when I ignored her, she just started pushing even more. Yeah.

Like trying to make small talk. And she'd come out there to shake my locker down, like trying to make small talk. I can get up and walk away. I'm not listening. None of this. And so one day, when I'm coming back from Chow, I meant not from Chow, but from work, I'm walking past at Chow Hall. she was outside behind the chow hall you know if they say hey inmate that's everybody yeah yeah you can

keep walking if they call your name oh shit she calls my name the officer that i'm talking about yeah yeah yeah i kept ignoring she calls my name she's outside the back of the chow hall i'm like damn i got to walk over here to her and she's got a bag in her hand she said you want some biscuits i'm like do i look like i eat biscuits like at a time i'm doing nothing but work out i'm going really good shape especially for a white guy on the compound right most of white guys are not good shape i'd still eat a biscuit bro like it's a biscuit it's a free world no no no she's standing outside the chow hall the brown bag okay so it's from the couch hall is what i thought but then she said they're hardy's biscuits i was like hearty's biscuits i'm like give me the bag

still not being friendly right she gave me the bag and i left and i say thank you nothing i'm like i'm out of here dude i'm over eating the biscuits i'm sure staring him with my bunky and while i'm eating the biscuit i'm like dude she just risked her entire career like that's a jellible offense yeah she just risked her entire career i didn't ask what is she going to do if i do ask right and then i just press the gas from there everything i asked there was never a no what does this chick look like bro you want me to show you what she looks yeah yeah so there's street oh i I understand.

I used to say, we would do the whole, that's a, that's a prison eight. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So you know. That's a street four. That's a prison eight. That's a street five. That's a prison nine.

Yeah, you know. She's not bad looking at all. No. What are you talking about? That's like a prison nine. Yeah. I was going to say, that's a pretty.

Oh, you got to show Colby. And this is not a good picture. Yeah, that looks like a driver's license photo. That's, yeah, it's not a good picture. I think that's when she got arrested. So that's not a, uh, on the compound. she's coming to work especially at this point trying to look pretty yeah all the dudes are shooting air right and uh dude when i started paying attention and like just started asking for

things like talking to her spending time and shit like there was never a no never like i got my bunk moved like from the back of the dorm to the front to where like when i'm in my bunk you can see straight into the officer station so i can tell her like sign language like you like people are tattooing doing whatever they're doing it doesn't matter you can do whatever you want to do in here she's going to flash a lights if anybody's coming it's like we can do whatever we want in this in this dorm right like you know people are making buck drinking i never drink not that shit right so one day i'm like you know what i'm gonna get her to bring some vodka i tell her take the water bottle you know at home take the water bottle and drill a hole in the bottom just a little small drill bit and hold it upside down

let all the water drain you know there's no air flowing through there it's just dripping it takes forever for that water to come out dude she would drain the whole bottle and fill it with vodka like make a little small funnel right and then hot glue the bottom and when she brought the first day she brought him to work dude i was so drunk like miserably drunk like when you open my locker there's nothing but water bottles in here i got so drunk that i'm in the corner where my bunk is at just running my mouth calling the whole dorm out like like er like I'm the tough guy right now right I'm so drunk all you could just push me over right there's really no fight just push me over do these other guys know that you're messing with her or are you

I'm not telling anybody only my Bucky right and my Bucky feel in it oh they feel it okay yeah they all fill it and they're right in kites these fucking dicks you know they're going to right right so they're right in kites because my boss the old man who i told you about came to me he said i don't know what you're doing but whatever you're doing with her you better cut it out because they're fixing to do something to you i'm like i don't know what you're talking about like i'm playing it dumb with him yeah they knew they were they were getting on to it um but that day when i got drunk right i remember we were sitting on the bunk and like i had like four or five pair of shoes that you're only supposed to

have like one or two right yeah but uh all my shoes are lined up on the wall over there and my bunk He's got one pair of Rydels. Like, he's not financially doing shit. Right. And I remember, like, just randomly, I'm like, dude, if I get sick, I'm throwing up in the Rydels. He's like, what? Those are mine. He's drunk, too.

Like, me, him, and a couple other dudes are all drunk over here, right? And somehow, for some reason, I got sick. You fuked in his shoes. I filled his whole shoe up. He's like, dude. It was so funny. Like, ridiculous, dumb, but funny. You're just in here doing dumb things, you know?

and I remember like when I threw up in a shoe he hit me like not hurt me but right dude you threw up in my show I'm like don't worry about you can have my nikes so when I started throwing up I could not stop throwing up I threw up for hours like I'm not really throwing up nothing now I'm dry heaving I'm slobbering right and it's just like so painful like violent sick yeah and so you get three uniforms per week and you can't go to you can't go to medical you can't go nowhere no you got deal with it. You get three uniforms for the whole week because they do laundry once a week. Right.

I throw up on all my uniforms. I'm sitting on the toilet naked. Like I only had the power to bend over the toilet no more. I didn't throw up all on the sinks. And my friend is a houseman in there. He's like cleaning up all behind me. He's like the happy little house man. He's cleaning up, throw up with no problem.

That was a good friend. So I'm sitting on the toilet naked and throwups going down to front of me. Is she standing in front of me crying? The officer. The whole dorm's in here. Yeah. She's standing there crying. She said, I got to get you out of here.

I'm like, I would think she'd be like, this guy's a fucking maniac. And she should have. Yeah. Yeah. So is that the first time you thought? I had already been considering it. Right. But not really put it into action.

Yeah. But that really, like, changed my. thinking like i was already time do you have um about that time to five years four years yeah you got that chunk of time not not enough to escape but enough in my head yeah i was gonna say but still that five years is is for most people that's you know if somebody you give somebody a five year sentence like if you gave me a five year sentence i'd be like yeah it was 2007 i got out 2012 what it would have been was that four five five years right yeah it's five years yeah so i'm like oh You got to get me out of here?

Right. Okay. Let me come up with a plan. So at some point, I had her get a wireless internet cord. Right. You know, this is way before, like typical Wi-Fi, right, 2003. But in maintenance, we had a computer that was my, not, yeah, it was not my Bunky. The guy that worked with me, he ended up being my co-defendant that escaped with me, but he slept at the bunk across from me.

He had the inmate computer where he'd done all the file work for the maintenance building. but my Bunky, that dude's like computer genius. He downloaded a whole other operating system on the, on the computer when we got that wireless internet card so that when like we were looking anything up on the internet, if anybody came, he could just, I don't know what the sequence was or what the buttons were. He hits the buttons and it just flips back to the other operating system,

like he's sitting there doing maintenance work, you know. And what we started looking up was countries that don't extradite back to America. there's like 20 something countries you know the Rome treaty though I don't know that the trip but I understand non extradition countries I don't know what the Rome there's a treaty called the Rome treaty that America gets other countries they pay them to sign the treaty saying we can come in to your country to get our fugitives at the time there's like 20 something countries that didn't extradite no matter what your charge was Guatemala being the closest one by land you know you don't have to go overseas

them all about but so back it up a little bit when we got that wireless internet card again my bunky this like supercomputer genius guy he had been telling me this before amazon blew up that he was making money on uh eBay buying stuff from China reselling it like audio equipment and um so when we started looking on the computer he's like dude these phones it was like before the iPhone come out uh there the smartphone back there then was like a Nokia n73 was like dude we can can get these phones from China for like whatever dirt cheap but they were selling for a lot of here so we started ordering the phones sending them to the officer's house the lady that was helping me and they're reselling them on eBay so at the time I'm making money from it and uh I'm like all right

if I go to Guatemala I can keep selling my cell phones or whatever you don't need a lot of money that live in Guatemala yeah at least I'm free uh and then so we find where to get fake birth certificates fake IDs they come up with the whole plan right and um When I come up with the whole plan, and I knew at this point, those ladies not saying no to anything. When I come in from work one day, I go to the officer's station. I'm like, I'm going to escape. Just put it bluntly, right?

She's like, what? I was like, look, there's three options. One, you help me. Two, I'll go by myself. You won't ever see me again or three. Go turn me in. Right. What's it going to be?

She's like, you're going to be put in prison. So you're not going to be in prison. We're going to be in paradise. Here's the plan. She put her head down and started crying. Uh-huh. She said, what do I got to do? Oh, my God.

This is horrible. Have you, I have a question. Have you had sex with this chick? Is this just so far? There was, we did things. Okay. All right. Do you know what a white dragon is?

Yeah. No, I don't know what the white dragon is. Do you know the white dragon is? You got to Google it. Okay. I read this in a magazine. You know everybody's got magazines in there. Uh-huh.

GQ and all the other magazines. What were they back then? GQ is like one of the main ones, right? It's basically when they're giving you a blowjob. Right. Can we say that on here? Yeah. Yeah.

And right when you've got to come, right, tickle them. Right. And they choke and it's like, blowing out their nose and everything. That happened once. Right. So, boy, this chick's all in, huh?

All in. Look, there was a point where I felt like, if I said bring guns and ammunition. we're killing everybody and leaving right she would have said okay wow for sure okay so for sure so she comes uh to work during the time of the plan right so we got to get IDs we got get birth certificates we're already making money online she comes to work uh with a blue cloth and her lunch bell like hidden down in the bottom we tape it up in the bathroom and like a fake shirt from the street put the shirt on tape the blue thing you know this is now you know you

don't need a background. You could just take a picture and they could change the background. But back then, we taped up the blue background for the ID. Got the IDs made. She had them made online. Got the IDs made birth certificate. I got an airline ticket from Atlanta, Georgia to San Diego. When you get San Diego, you just walk across the border. This is. Walk across a border and hopefully making it to Guatemala. At that time, I ain't care. Right. Whatever. You're just trying to get into Mexico to.

And then go to Guatemala. Yeah. Yeah. So we do all that. Come up with all the IDs. And then I tell, so what she had to do was bring a officer uniform, the whole uniform,

the BDUs, the zip up jacket with the big fur on it, the hat, whole thing, sunglasses to my work at maintenance, to the maintenance building. Right. So she was like,

okay, cool. She brings it. I get dressed right underneath a guard tower. so when they're looking out of their guard towers they're always looking out right they're not walking up going no i got dressed right at the base of the guard tower like outside in a trash pile there's there's like a trash pile for maintenance and there's got a bunch of metal and stuff i'm laying in there getting dressed and when i got up and walked out of there dude i had a co-defendant that left with me we walked right past two officers that knew us like they're in a

conversation and we walk right past them. Didn't say shit. Nothing. And you would think that there's not a ton of officers. They all know each other. There's a bunch of this prison. There is? Yeah,

there's like seven prisons right around here. I mean, there's a bunch of housing. They didn't pay no attention. They just walk right past them. Did you shave your face? Did you do any kind? You're always shaved.

Oh, okay. You have to be clean shaved every day. But I had the hat on pulled down. I had big sunglasses and their jacket because it was like Thanksgiving time. Right. So it was cold. I had the big. jacket with the fur on the color and had it pulled up and zipped up you know well right past them

they didn't even stop talking looking at us at all if they would have they would have known right like hey what the we get in the uh her vehicle the chick yeah like she's right outside the maintenance building she drove a white expedition i don't know where she got it from but that's it blended in with all the white prison vehicles right and so she drove that we get in the vehicle we still got to get off prison grounds. When we get in the truck, she pulls out a big pistol, like out of the console. She said, if we get stopped, don't get out. I'll take care of it.

Hold on. Maybe we should not leave. She's a fucking gangster. Yeah. So. I was like, we did not come here to kill cops. Right. Luckily, that didn't happen.

So we leave, right? And the plan was when we left that morning, she was going to, a doctor's appointment like right down the road from where she was from right and then a buddy of mom was going to pick me up in that area to take me to Atlanta to the airport and is she going back to work yeah okay she's going to work her alibi was she was at the doctor when I call my buddy we're riding down the road we're gone we're off prison grounds right I'll call my friend I'm like hey bro you're going to be there he's like I can't come I'm like what he said my kid's in the hospital I you're kidding like okay as your kid I

get it. Yeah. But dude, I just escaped. Yeah. I can't turn around to just go back. I was just kidding. I'm like, damn it. So he's like, just go with my, he told me to go with his little brother. I'm like, dude, I don't even know your little brother. He's like, his cool. Just go with him. You don't have a lot of options. Yeah, there's no other options. Except when she's hearing this, she's like, don't worry about it. Fucking, I'll just go with you. I'm like, no, because that was never the plan. Right. She doesn't know that at the time. Yeah. There's never a plan of her really coming right so i'm like no no no no stick to the plan and so when i get go meet this kid dude as soon as we're riding down the road he's like oh man i hope i don't get no trouble

i don't want to get caught for this now we're riding we got correctional officer uniforms on right right we look like police in this little small town riding around nobody nobody knows i'm with this guy yeah i do relax chill when we're driving we're going to where he worked at which was a farm no houses all farmland just out the middle of the country and why we're driving we go over this little bridge and i remember it was early in the morning looking out that like driver's side i've seen the sun coming up over the uh water because we're crossing over river and um so we get to this farm where that that was just that comes up later this when we get to the farm this kid is still acting fucking weird and uh i'm just like man i don't know

about this like being out here waiting on the other guy to come like i'm a call young is this kid uh early 20s okay Yeah, and so his brother, I knew three his brothers, never met him. His three brothers were in the county jail with me during that two and a half years while I was there. They went to jail for, it was a federal charge. They went to trial. Two of them lost one of them went home on federal trial. And they always said they had a little brother, but they didn't mess with him. So I'm like, you sent me with a little brother, y'all don't even mess with.

But so my phone went dead that I brought with me. so the kid he's driving the tractor around I go jump on the tractor I'm like hey man let me use your phone because I'm gonna call the chick like hey come and get me there's don't like being here with this kid I'm feeling bad about it you know like something's wrong but the dude don't want to let me use the phone I'm like dude let me use the phone or I'm gonna take the phone it's like there's no option just give me the fucking phone so he gives me the phone but he had already called the cops why would you come come pick you up if you're gonna call the cops like If you're not going to go through with it, why?

Yeah, exactly. Right. Just to tell your brother, fuck you. I'm not going to pick up a couple of guys. Like, I'm sorry, that's a pretty good reason. Yeah, a great reason. Yeah, you're not asking me to, you know, change the tire on a car or something. Yeah, this is a big fucking deal.

Okay. So he called the cops. He calls the cops. But the crazy part is, these are Mexican guys, right? He don't have paper. Right. And you just called the cops after you just help somebody escape. Right.

He got deported. Right. I don't know what ever happened to him, but I do know he got deported. You know, I'm not mad at that kid. Yeah. I involved him in some shit that he should have never been involved in. But you should have just said, no, he got deported. Right.

A little idiot. So I never, I called the check. And she said, I know where you're at. It'll take me like 45 minutes to get there. Right. But we go back to the back of the farm and like the tree line. Right. Like way in the back.

And while we're sitting there waiting on her. I see an unmarked cop car come down the road. There's no houses. There's no people down here. It's all farmland. And I tell my buddy who's with me, I'm like, brother, there's the cops. He's like, oh, it's not a cop. Then I see the canine truck from the prison.

My friends worked on the canine crew. Like the inmates that they sent out in the woods and let them chase around. I was like, brother, that's canine. Like, I've been running from cops forever. This dude came from a family that his parents were like land developers in Jacksonville, his uncles and mayor. They're all like real well off people. Right.

He just got mixed up in some bullshit and went to prison. Right. Never been like, he's the guy that sells yachts now. Okay. Yeah. So he doesn't, the whole running from the cops thing is not registering with him. I'm like, bro, let's go. So we take off running.

He's operating on the, it's going to be fine model. You're operating on the, it's not going to be fine. We have to be action. So we take off running. We're running through the woods. I'm like, bro, we got to keep the sun on our right-hand side. Because we're running back to that river. You know, I don't know these woods.

I don't know where we're at, you know, except we just drove here. Yeah. But I remember when we crossed that bridge with the sun on the left. So if we keep the sun on the right, we'll get back to that river. It was the Swanee River, I think, which is like, do you know the springs in Florida? Like the spring rivers, like, I know where the Swanee River is. You know? Yeah.

Alligator is all in there. Yeah. But that's every water. Yeah. It's like water in Florida. Yeah. But this is way out in the, like, middle of nothing. Definitely.

alligators everywhere right but yeah it is florida typical florida uh but still i was thinking if we get out of the river we swim through there lose the cops that way but it took about two hours to get to the river right of running through the woods crawling under shit because it's not just straight run through the woods your shit all in the way but by the time we get to the river like i would look back and i don't see my buddy the guy who left with me i'm like dude what are you doing like let's go he's not running he's like i'm tired like all right look if they catch you out here we're dead they're going to kill you i don't want you as a friend of mine i don't want nothing to happen to him so i'm like running back to get him by the time we got to the river

i don't run two or three times as much as him right i'm like dude you got to keep coming there's no giving up here right they're not going to take you peacefully like that's not going to happen so we get to the river the banks are like 10 foot high and we're standing up on top of the bank looking like all right we got to jump in this water now running from the cops adrenaline is running like super high i'm hot but it's cold outside you know it's uh like winter time november thanksgiving uh so it's a bunch of conflicting things right when i jump in the water it's ice cold spring fed i think so it's just like oh my god this is all bad well running all that time i'm getting dehydrated so by the time we get to the middle of the river and remember the other

guy he wasn't really running so when i get to the middle of the river i'm like running i'm like out of energy. I can't swim anymore. I'm just like, oh, am I going to make it? I'm looking back. Like, can I go back that way? I'm just like, my arms and feet feel like I have concrete in them. I'm like, oh, shit. So I kick my shoes off. And when I kick my shoes off, my feet just go straight down. I'm like, God dang. The shoes were holding my feet afloat. Okay. So now I'm just like, oh, what am I going to do? I'm going to drown in this river. But I'm looking at my buddy and I'm like spitting and like, you know, flailing in the water. like a drowning person like clearly i'm not doing good and he's over there back floating in front of me

like this paddling away like dude i just ran back to get you 10 times what are you doing and so uh i'm like all right fucking i'm a drown i just give up i mean what happens he you don't drown no okay but for like a millisecond i'm thinking not just give up i'd rather drown right now right i just go under the water and it was like everything's turning black and all i thought about was my daughter. And it was just like something grabbed me and like pull me out of the water. I don't know how I got out of the water, but I made it. When we get at the other side

in the bank, like we're way steep in water. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? You were leaving me. He's like, what are you talking about? I was like, you see me? I'm choking on the water. I'm drowning. Like, what? He's like, I didn't know. Like, I'm like, I'm screaming. I'm yelling. I'm spitting. He's like, oh, I was back floating. I couldn't hear you because his ears were underwater.

Right. I'm like, whatever. You've seen me. And so now we're at the edge of the bank. And, uh, I'm looking like, all right, where should we go? And a tree had fallen from the top of the bank down into the water, right? So it was like the banks were real muddy. I was like, let's climb up the tree so you can't see our feet print going up the bank, you know? And when we get to the very top and I step up, like to climb up it, you know,

and my head, I hit a tree branch, just splits my head open. So now I'm barefooted. I'm leaking blood. I'm dehydrated. And this is like hours of running from the cops. I'm exhausted. my leg started charler horse my hamstrings you ever had one yeah crucial it's terrible luckily he was with me because my leg would bend it back out like it would lock all the way

back like that you know and he would have to bend it back out but then it got so bad it just kept doing it both them would do it at the same time so it was like I'm hog tied on the ground yeah like with both of my legs like this and he's got to bend them both back out it's excruciating pain So it got to a point that I can't bend my knees while I'm running. I'm having to run straight-legged. And I'm still outrunning this, dude. I'm looking like I had braces on my legs, you know? And you can't bend them.

It's ridiculous. So we ended up running for about 10 hours. This is nighttime late at night. We end up at like an old back road, like an old country highway road. And there was a bar. I'm like just a real small little wooden bar in the middle of nowhere. I'm like bro, go over there and get us a ride.

I'm in no condition to go over there. My legs are all messed up. I've got blood all over me. I don't have shoes. I don't have shoes. Oh, look crazy. He's still got shoes. He's not cut.

Nothing's wrong with him. He don't even seem tired. So I'm like, go over there and get us a ride. So he goes over there and there's three people coming out, two guys and a girl. He's like, hey, me and my buddy were in the river. We were riding jet skis with these girls. They left us and like came up with some.

story, right? He's like, will you give us a ride? He gave him a $750 to give us a ride. Jesus. Yeah, I was like, whatever, give him all the money. I don't care. Give us a ride. And so when they said, okay, he said he had a buddy with him. They were like, where is he at? He's like, he's over there laying down in the bushes. Automatic red flag. Like, they should have been like, no, we're not picking nobody up from the bushes. Well, the $750 is, I mean, you know, charge $750 for that alone. Yeah. Yeah. I know something's up. I'm going to They should have known. But this dude, and I'm friends with this guy today.

Okay. Yeah, he really says he didn't know. He didn't care. He said, I would help you again. Yeah. So when they pick us up, they come across street and pick me up, I mean, we get in the car. Dude, I'm in the back of this little two door Honda Civic and my legs would not stop Charlie

orson. He can't straighten them out. Yeah. Well, you need to be in the back seat. Yeah. But I got water. I got Gatorade. It wasn't doing any good.

It was like way past the point of just like, okay, I'm good. It's way past that. The kid says, I got to take my girl home. The girl, his girl was pregnant. I'm like, all right, cool. When you go in there, where you get me a pair of shoes? I say, I'll give you 50 more bucks. But now they got $800.

Right. He said, yeah, no problem. He goes in. He comes back out. He's got a pair of corona slides, like shower slides, but corona ones. That's not his or those aren't, that's not 50 off of shoes. But I had these for years in prison. I went back to prison.

I'm the only person in there were corona slides. So, uh, when he comes. comes outside, his dad's with him. His dad's got a police scanner. He said, man, I know who you guys are. I've been listening to it on the police scanner all day. I'm like, look, we're not here to hurt you guys. We're not trying to cause no problem.

But on the radio is saying a fugitive that escaped that was convicted of murder, another fugitive escape convicted of robbery. I mean, it sounds like we're dangerous. Yeah. Like he should have been like, get the fuck out of here or call the cops or whatever, right? And I said, look, may, keep the money. We'll leave. I want no problem

I heard anybody your kids are fine he's like no I'm gonna let him give you a ride I uh what okay it's kind of crazy but sure let's go so we get in the car

and that dude calls the cops like thinking about it like if that was my kids one you're not riding nowhere get to fuck out of here but there's no way I would have called the cops after that you're putting them

in even more danger with these two people in the backseat right like that's insane He called the cops and gave him the tag number. So they put a Bolo out for that car. And when we're riding down the road, we passed a state trooper. We were in Gainesville.

We passed a state trooper. And the kid said, hey, man, he did a U-turn. I'm like, dude, if he tries to pull us over, just pull over. I'm done. I can't run anymore. Like, I'm at this point getting delirious. So they pull us over. State troopers yelling and I'll get out of the car.

You know, everybody hands up and all this shit. And so when I'm standing there, my leg Charlie Orris is that I fall on the ground. Dude, he runs and jumps home. He's like, I told you not to move. I'm like, my leg Charlie Horst. I can't control it. He puts this in the cop car, me and my co-defendant. And when we are in the cop car, my co-defendant starts talking to the guy, like making

friendly small talk with him. I'm like, dude, shut the fuck up. This dude is taking us back to jail. We're not friends with him. Luckily, he talked to him, though. Like, he's thinking way more clear. like my mind is messed up at the time but him talking to the guy and telling him like the whole story that cop when doc pulled up they had like 100 something officers correctional officers

one of them fell out of the boat and broke their arm they're like pissed off like they were up and down that river trying to find us they're screaming at the guy let them out of the car like surrounding the car yeah the state trooper says i'm not let them out of the car i'm taking them to the county jail they committed the crime i arrested them you can get them from there All right. Thank God he did. Yeah, yeah. Would not have made it back to prison.

So he takes us a county jail, Alachua County, Gainesville, puts, you know, sends us through booking. We go to court the next morning. Then we went in front of the court and they read our charges at the whole courtroom's laughing at us. Just like, these fucking dudes. So then the prison people come to get us, but they got into video, the whole way from county jail, the videotape, the whole thing, you know? right all the way to our cell like all the way when they put us in our cell you know so they didn't do anything yes thankfully they had the camera they put us in a thing called max management

you probably don't really hear about it in florida uh because there's only um 24 cells in florida that are called max management they're at fSP which is where death row is at so this whole building is like a quarter mile long building that's all um solitary confinement and then the last wing on the left is uh death row and then last wing in the back is maximum management which is like the worst of the worst like my neighbor was in there for killing the officer and he's got death penalty just a bunch of maniacs back there right and so uh that cell it's got two doors no windows they're like you're not getting the fuck out of here like there's no sunlight penetration you're locked inside you got to go in a like a hallway and then you're you're you're

cell is on the inside of the hallway there's no walls that are on the outside of the building you know what i mean so when you go in your first door that's already inside your cell and then they got another door that you go in to get into your where your bunk's at you know what i mean so you're always behind two doors and they just keep the lights on 24-7 no sunlight you're not going outside uh and when you ask them when you're going outside they're like do you that one hour of day shit we'll burn the roll book in front of your cell right you're not going outside you're not doing nothing there's no privileges back there like you don't get any type of canteen not saying that i should deserve it i'm just saying you don't get anything right you get

religious material uh deodorant toothpaste a security toothbrush you know the little one yeah yeah that's all you get you're not getting nothing else that place back there is brutal like there's a dude that came back there while i was there he was uh he killed his roommate uh his roommate was a child. And when they put him back there, he said, hey, when did we get to watch TV? You know, like go to the day room. He said, there's no TV back here. He said, well, when can I order can't team? There's no canteen back here. When can I use the phone? There's no phone back here. He said, I'm not staying back here. So you get new charges? Oh, yeah, escaped from prison. Okay. Yeah. They give me, um, so when on that, they give me a year and a half extra.

Okay. They took away all my game time, which I had a year and a half of gain time. time. Right. So on the eight and a half years that I would have did, I ended up doing a loving total. And then, so they kept me in solitary confinement. I think it was a year and a half. I don't remember the exact time. Normally, every 30 days you go out for a review on solitary confinement. And it's like step one, two, and three. And then you go if you're not getting in trouble. I wasn't saying anything, speaking to anybody, nothing. I was like not getting in any trouble every time i go up for review they say oh no they just pass it on passing everybody was pissed off right you know the people like the review board so i stayed there for like a year and a half i think

maybe two i don't remember exactly but for sure a year and a half solitary no roommate right on um on the new charges do you get uh do they assign you an attorney oh yeah i had an attorney but i never really even spoke to them right and they said a year and a half i'm like oh take that it can give you 15 for it right so actually when we were going to court it was me my co-defendant and the female because they charged her what happened with her yeah they charged her how do they know she was involved uh they suspected it and then when they went to her house supposedly like she was in there took a bunch of pills and like oh it was like she admitted everything right plus a kid's phone the one kid's phone you had called called her they probably got that I don't know that they did because

I didn't get none of the information going to court right when they offered me a year and a half I was like I'll take that. Right. But when we were going to court, she told the prosecutor, she said, give me all his time. I'll do it all. She knew the prosecutor. What is going on, bro? That's what she said.

She knew the prosecutor. Right. He told her, look, you better take this year because he gave her a year. Right. He gave her a year, the other guy, my co-defendant a year, and then he gave me a year and a half. He said, you better take this and get the fuck out of here. Like, because DOC was pressing him to give us more time. Right.

But it's up to him, not DOC. Right. You know? So by the time you got out of solitary confinement, she's done with her time. Oh, yeah. She was gone. She went home. She went back to Lake Butler, which is where she lived.

Right. But she was like banished from that town. The whole town is correction officers, you know. She moved to Kentucky. Did she ever write you? Did she? We stayed in touch. Yeah.

We stayed in touch for a while. But things just really got out of control. she was like a little i mean she was obviously so to begin with when you're a correction officer right you're hired to keep people in prison yeah i never approached her i didn't manipulate the situation of like trying to approach her and talk her and it's something or convince her right she approached me right and then eventually i manipulated it right but you got to be somewhat off your rocker to begin with to be approaching me right you know so she was what obsessed with you Yeah, it was, like, more than obsessed.

There's just some type of crazy that I never experienced with anyone else. It just got to a point when I ended up back on the compound from solitary confinement. One day I was just like, I just can't do it anymore. I don't, like, I don't. But she said this time I'm going to break into the prison to get you out. She was doing all type of things. Okay. Yeah.

So do you know about books? books yeah with cell phones in them um not i can't imagine you could but i'm sure you obviously you could oh you can i guess um i just get three phones in one book i mean aren't they checking these books yeah they check them yeah you got to be an expert at this so you get a 1200 page it doesn't matter now like it's on youtube they know yeah so you get a big book 1200 page 1,600 page book. Right. Not typical book, right?

Like a really big book, big novel. And you take the book and open up front or back, it doesn't matter. And you cut about six pages in, you cut it down the spine. And when it flips open, the spine is exposed. Yeah. Right. And then you put it in a clamp, like a table top clamp. But on each side, you put like a 2x8, a big board, right?

So that it doesn't put the clamp and print into the book. Yeah. You know the metal of the clamp? so you clamp the book and then you route it with a router for routing wood right you know what I mean so the phones I'm talking about are a little small flip phones and they used to sell like at the farm like Walgreens so you routed out this pocket into the spine and then you fill it in with gorilla glow okay because gorilla glue is super strong but it's flexible right right so when it's bending it doesn't break and you just put the phones in there seal the book back can print up a fake uh books a million in voice yeah mel it in never in my name obviously right and pay some dude to get it meld in three books at uh three phones per book those phones were selling for like five six hundred bucks depending on what compound you're in so initially when she came home she wasn't she couldn't really get a job i'm like all right look at this is what i need you to do right she's like all right

how do i do it so she did that for a while it's pretty pretty lucrative for her um Um, Colby. So you get out eventually? I was going to say, you, I'm looking at some of your, I'm searching up your name. I'm looking at you, uh, he had an interview with Ardat Dan. Yeah. Big Hurk. Yeah.

So yeah, you made some of the rounds. Yeah, so what happens when you get out? Well, yeah, so, um, somebody told me, I met a guy in California in San Diego where I was living at that, um, he does just a bunch of like online marketing stuff. and he knew about Big Herk. He knew about my story, and he knew about Big Herk. He's like, oh, dude, you need to go

and interview with this guy, Big Hurd. He, like, interviews people getting out of prison. And I looked him up, and I was like, oh, all right, cool. So I started messaging him, but he wasn't replying. I'm like, man, my story's way more interesting in these other stories you're telling. Right. I'm like, hey, dude, you know what, forget it.

I don't need you to interview me. Maybe I need to interview you. It's just, like, playing around being, like, kind of sarcastic. And finally he messaged me back. And he called me. He was like, all right, yeah, let's do it. So we met L.A. The place we did the interview at was Lady Gaga's old apartment.

She sold her to somebody who, like, I guess the guy knew her, but bought it from her. It was a really cool apartment, right downtown L.A. So we did an interview there. And from that, it got pretty good views. I was telling another buddy of mine who owns an audio theater company over in L.A. Like, he does all the celebrity people. Like, he knows all the celebrities. He does big audio theater.

at like a million dollar theater in people's houses. I was telling him about the story one day. And he's like, man, this sounds like a movie. And I'm like, here, it's on YouTube. He watched it on YouTube. Then when he came back, he was like, dude, can I share it? I'm like, it's on YouTube. What are you talking about?

Of course, share it. He shared it with some friends. There were movie producers. And they were like, man, where's the guy at? We need to meet him. We arranged to meet in Vegas because the husband and wife movie producers. the guy is a boxer. So he had a box at Match in Vegas.

So I flew over there and met them. Super cool people. And we ended up becoming really good friends. But they were like, this movie is a little bit too big for us. We're going to introduce you to somebody else. So they introduced me to one of their friends who he was like, yeah, it's cool. Let's make it. But we got to find a writer.

And so he sent me a bunch of different material to read through it to see who I like their writing style. So we got a hold of this one guy. dude lived in new york he started the ride it and then COVID happened when COVID happened i couldn't get a hold of the guy I'm like this bitch and I stole my story did he die huh did we thought he did oh okay I need a get a dump truck go see this guy he stole my story uh no he just he was kind of a weird dude that just went off grid like when COVID happened and so um the initial guy that introduced me to him he was a director he was like dude i'm going to just write a treatment like 30 pages right and when i started telling him

the story that's a huge treatment but go ahead he kept calling back he's like dude tell me more so he got the 90 pages he's like a fucking script yeah then he kept calling back he's like dude i'm 180 pages 200 pages right he's like fuck it he wrote the whole thing and then he ended up so we got to turn into a movie it's being edited now um but the guy that wrote it ended up directing it This is what he normally does is directing. Right. But he wrote it into a script and doing the way he wrote it this. So like there's a bunch of different emotion, but it's funny, it's sad, it's cool.

Right. Like, yeah, it's pretty badass. Okay, so you know what it's going to be done? Toward the end of the year. Now are they going to try and enter it into any of these film festivals? Film festivals. Yeah. So hopefully it goes to Tribeca because the guy that directed it, his last film gave him kind of like an end to Tribeca.

Tribeca, we're hoping it goes there because that's pretty big. But not sure right now where it's going to go. But hopefully Tribeca. But everybody that's been involved with it, like all the multiple producers, the people that played the parts, I'm like, dude, this is going to go in a theater. That'd be nice, right? Yeah, that'd be cool. Even if it does it.

Worst case, it goes on a streaming device. Right. The cool thing to me is that telling my story is one thing, right? Yeah. But, you know, when everybody dies, and who knows what tomorrow brings, right? Right. My grandmother, for example, like, she was extremely well known, like, in her town where she was from. Real funny lady, real just, like, she's wild, crazy story.

She's been dead a couple of years. Nobody's thinking about her. Nobody remembers, like, nobody even knows who she was anymore. Right. It's done. She lived her life. But once they make it into a movie, even if it's on a stream of device, that shit's there forever. Right.

Yeah. So for me, that's pretty cool. The chick, I'm wondering, I do keep wondering, like, what is this chick? She's leaving you alone, or, or I, I mean, when I told her, like, I'm done with this. Right. She was like, no, you're not. Like, I don't know that I'm done with it, you know? But I just, honestly, like, even her hearing it, like, she might hear it.

Right. She knows that there was really, it was never going to be anything. Right. But when, you know, I felt bad about the whole thing. for playing my part in it and manipulating it to the point that it went to. I did feel bad for it. Right. And, you know, obviously, I call it, we stayed in contact.

Like, if it would have worked out, I don't think I'd ever made it to Guatemala. I'd have probably been whacked somewhere in between because, like, when I moved to California when I got out and lived in San Diego for years, I've been across the border into T.J. It's not a safe place. Right. Especially for a white dude on the run that my thinking was way different back then. You go over there trying to act crazy. Right.

big problem so i probably would not have made it but in thinking that i would have like i wasn't even thinking about her at all yeah but then when i did get caught we started writing staying in contact and then you know i just felt bad about it and then like when she couldn't make any money or couldn't find a job i was like how can i help this lady and i mean how can i help her in there right yeah here's what she could do uh so but when you got out of prison she reached out to you then Was she, or she was by that time, we cut that off. Oh, okay. Way before I got out, like about a year and a half before I got out, probably.

Okay. I quit talking to. You know, she could have kept tabs and realized he's out now. Let me try and contact me try and contact now. She kept in contact with my daughter. Okay. Yeah. And I think that, like, when it became known that there was really no plan, like,

I don't think she would want to talk to me at all at that point. Right. You know, like, what are you going to say? What else? So what are you doing now? Real estate. Real estate. Yeah.

Building the house right now. Plan is to resell it in a couple of years, but probably going to keep it for a couple of years. I guess some rental properties. I've done a lot of shit since I've been home. Right. One of the big things, yeah, my punky, who I told him is a real smart computer guy. Yeah. He got out three years before I did.

When I came home, contacted him, he's like, bro, I've made $15 million in three years. I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah. super smart dude so uh amazon was becoming big when he got out and this dude's all about reading learning all algorithms technique like the algorithms playing in his head clear so he learned amazon and he started selling knock off tablets like that was his thing buying knockoff stuff from china reselling him and he said he made like a hundred-something grand really quick selling a tablet but amazon

caught him they caught him they shut his account down but he already had his money right so he took his money and he went to China. And when he went over there, he found a place that was building this stream and TV box like a fire stick. And what he did was just say, hey, make the same stream and TV box. But when it powers on, make it say my company name and logo, which was G-box. And so he put that on Amazon. You know, it was his own brand. He made $15 million on that box in three years.

Put any money on your books during that three years? No, I didn't ask them for anything. $15 million. I'd have stayed in contact when he laughs. He was living in Orlando. That's where he's from, Orlando. Right. So when he got out, he started making all that money.

He was getting big shipments from China. He moved to L.A. This dude's wild, too. He's a trip. Real pretty boy. Like prison. And he told me to you, he's like, dude, after you escape, they sent me to the worst prison, he's not no tough guy.

Right. He's like, we're a pretty boy target in prison. When he got out, he moved to L.A. To save money on shipping, you know, from China to California. right but he's infatuated with uh asian chicks right and so you know what would go runs through my head my head uh the white lotus no this dude is not on that uh okay let you know just a sure this dude when he uh when he moves to l a he bought a condo in some little area of l a this all asian people right like chinatown yeah but not china town

there's something else i don't remember the name of it uh starts with a If I remember, I'll tell you. So he moves this town, buys this condo, but he never went to this condo complex. He just bought it. He's got enough money. He doesn't care. He just bought it. There's no Asian girls living there.

Right. Is that why he bought it? He thought there was going to be, yeah. There's none. But when I came over to his condo, it was wild. Him and his brother both are like real pretty boys, but he's the one with all the money, but his brother's there for the ride. Dude, they got girls just coming in back to back.

And he's like, dude, we got girls on rotation in here. I'm like literally he was not kidding like he'll be like hey you're Uber's outside and then more girls come in I'm like where are they coming from he's like dude it's tender I'm like tender a tender don't work like that he's like yeah it does I said I already tried it doesn't work like that he's like his brother he's like let me show you so you got my phone on on the Tinder account he's like look do it like this I'm like give me the phone you're not looking you're just swiping everything like like like like like like like he's like dude it's algorithm I'm like what we're not even looking at these people. He's like, no, because the more matches you get, the more tender will put you out there. He said, all you do is just keep swiping. And then when you're getting like, like matches, it puts you out there more. He said, just go back and erase the ugly ones. Oh, my God. All right. Okay. That explains it. Dude, they literally had just girl after girl after girl. It was weird. One of the girls came over and like they were doing whatever fucking around with the chick. And he put a burger on the check. And told her, get out of here.

your Uber's there. I'm like, why did you just put a booger on the ground? So weird. They moved. He left California, taxes. And they hit him with like a $600,000 tax bill for something.

So he moved to Vegas, open up a nightclub over there. Oh yeah, one of the other things I was doing was Bitcoin. This is years ago. Right. I'm talking to him one day and he's like, dude,

I'm making like $1,000 a day trading Bitcoin. I'm like, what is Bitcoin? This is $2,000. 16, I think, 16, 17-ish. I'm like, what is Bitcoin? Like, I haven't really heard of it at the time. So he's telling me, but he's telling you a real technical terms.

I'm lost. So I'm living in San Diego. He's in L.A. I'm like, I'll just drive up there. So I drive up there to meet him. And the whole time he's just on his computer, like trading. And he's got miners. Do you know about mining crypto?

Yeah. He's got minors everywhere. He's got a big warehouse downtown L.A., like on 12th and something. I don't know where, but miners every fucking wear. And he's just making a ton of money, right? And so he's like, all you got to do is just go put the money in whatever it was, Coinbase or something. And then just buy the Bitcoin, like trade it, like make money or whatever.

So I bought $15,000 worth of Bitcoin at that time, it was $600 per coin. My first buy. What is it now? Like $2,000 or something? What is it now? No, it just had $100,000. $100,000? Yes.

It's down now. It's down now. or 80 or something. It's in the 80s, I think. Jesus. It did hit 100. It cracked 100. 85,000.

Yeah, 85. So from that point, I kept buying, buying, buying. The email that I was using to buy, I took it off my phone because when you look at it, it's just like buy, buy 2,000, 1,000, 3,000, 5,000, 10,000. If I had all that Bitcoin now, it'd be so many millions, I don't have any of it. What happened? Sold it, traded it, bought stuff. one point I joined a bot that he told me about my buddy he's like dude put your money in a bot

he said I forgot what the profit was per day that it was making he's like you can pull your profits per day no penalty I'm like what so I put some money in there it's profiting you can pull your profits out every day I was like oh this is a great I open an account for my daughter uh my wife multiple people and then I'm telling people and so what it was was they were letting you pull your profits every day. But you're telling people, you're opening more accounts. Right. They're getting more and more deposits. And then a month or so later, a friend of mine calls me, she's like, hey, I got like 100 or something grand in my account, but I can't do a withdrawal. I'm like what? So I log into my account and me and her got the same balance, like the same exact number, right? You know, total balance. Right. And I try to

withdraw, can't withdraw. What's the issue? So they kept everybody's money. They got everybody to put money in it was like feeding them uh you get your profits right so it was like cool put more in there put more in there tell your friends everybody's putting their money money money money in and then they kept everybody's money oh so it's a scam yeah okay that was one of them yeah then i put some money into a um a a mining operation in iceland it turned out to be a bullshit scam too this is no this is no good so bitcoin never worried out for me right It's real depressing to look at my email. So I just erase that shit.

All right. So you have, yeah, I was going to say, what do you have? What, what socials do you have? Instagram, Facebook. I have YouTube, but I don't really use it. Okay. Yeah. I quit doing social media shit a few years ago.

Really? Yeah. I just got tired of. Plus, I've just been traveling a lot. How did you get hooked up with Dan? That was when I was doing YouTube stuff. Oh, okay. Those are all like six years ago.

So it was like, when people first started doing the prison thing right and before like what was uh after prison show ap s you know they got yeah after he was the first one i got like a million subscribers then there was big herk uh there was a couple of big ones um the other kid josh 23m1 or whatever it's there wasn't that many big channels and then there was like me jessica kett um dan another dude who quit doing it we were all just like friends yeah like on talking you know online in fact jaska uh the other kid too that his turned really big was um he's like a white kid that's like gang member real thugged out uh is he kind of chubby or

he was chubby is he still chubby yeah he's chubby yeah yeah he did time in florida did he i don't know i've never 1090 jake is that it yeah yeah yeah like he could and then dude he's made a freaking ton of money yeah like big time a lot he was watching one of my videos and it's why he started doing YouTube. Yeah, a lot of these guys have. That's why I'm surprised you stopped doing it. Yeah, it wasn't working. Right.

There's a lot of time consuming. Yeah, I just quit doing it. Jessica, you know, she made a lot of money. You know her? Yeah, yeah, she's come here. Yeah. She made quite a bit. She was going to quit doing it.

And then I was like, because we used to talk all the time on the phone. I'm like, you got a really cool story. Don't quit. Like, keep doing it. And then she, right after that, she did an interview with, Um, other chick. She, she, she used to have dreads, but she was white chick. She's from Florida.

Christina Randall. Oh, okay. I don't know who there. I probably seen her. I probably just don't know the name. Yeah, she got a pretty big channel. Christina interviewed her and then her thing went to like 40,000 and then it started growing from there. Okay.

I actually think, I think, uh, Jessica Kent might have mentioned that when she was here that she had interviewed somebody and it blew her channel up. No, she, the girl interviewed her. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the other girl interviewed Jessica. Jessica. Yeah. Her Jessica's channel blew up. Yeah, yeah.

But then she, when she was here, she had just hit like a million on TikTok or something. Like she was blown up on TikTok. She was, of course, when she was here, she, I guess she was about to get married, right? Her fiancé was the burner. Is that his name? The music guy? No, not the music. Oh, she can divorce.

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, like they were about to get, either they had just gotten married or they were about to be married. And then within a year, that crumbled. Yeah. And then she met some other guy with tattoos all over. Yeah. Yeah. And then I don't know.

I really paid attention since then. But yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a ton of them. But a lot of those are like prison channels. You know what I'm saying? That's the thing too. That's why I'm doing it too is because like, that's what I was talking about. And I was like, I don't even like talking about prison. Yeah.

Me neither. Yeah. First of all, I don't have those kinds of stories. Like these guys. There's a lot of the stories are bullshit. No. And then when I hear them, because like. I was only in Florida, but I was there 11 years.

You can't tell me none of this story shit that I haven't seen or heard, right? And especially like what you were doing in there. Like, making money in there, like, there was, I didn't tell it on here, but there was other shit. Like, I was getting a lot of cell phones in there for a while. The warden escorted my package in one day. We had a whole wood palette of wood come in for toys for tots. Remember I'll tell you we were out in the book out? We had a whole four by four.

that was routed inside with 18 phones in it and the warden didn't know he had no idea he escorted the whole package in uh we were getting phones in like crazy and um but my point is like i've done everything inside there yeah like not the drugs or the fucking boy shit but i've seen or been around all the shit and like when you hear dudes that are talking about like all the shit they're seen or done like the dude badger you ever see him i was just like uh i can't stand here in this shit Wes Watson. Yeah, yeah. You're totally full of shit.

Like, I went, a story, somebody told me about this guy a long time ago. He went on Big Hurts Chanel is what really blew his shit up. Who? Wes Watson? Yeah. Yeah.

I was saying that the other day. That was the first time I saw him. And on Wes Watson, on that first interview, he was different than he is. After that happened, he blew, his stories have gotten even more insane.

Everything's. I can't stand the guy because I don't, I'm not with the lying bullshit. right but he took full advantage of dumb people right that buy into the bullshit that don't know not necessarily dumb people but if you don't know you haven't been there right it's just ignorance to what is true he took full advantage of it because there just really just be whatever you want to be on there right and he did fucking made a fucking ton of money yeah doing it but it's just total bullshit like when somebody told me about him and they were clicked on one of his videos

about a cell phone he was like yeah i had a cell phone to myself and uh he said the police came by and seen him with the phone right and the guy was like what do you got but he put the phone down so the guy couldn't see it and he said the guy was trying to get in the cell but he held the door shut like okay yeah you're big dude you're not holding the door shut if the officer's trying to get in there even if that officer can't get the door up and he's calling yeah he just hit the button they're coming you're not holding the door shut so he said he held the door shut right i only listened to a little bit of the video before i turned off i was just like oh my god people are going for this shit so he says he holds the door and then that guy leaves, goes and gets more officers. And while they're gone,

he hit the phone in a light socket on, you know, switch. Right. They're going to tear that whole cell apart. Yeah, I know. They're going to examine your butthole. They're going to examine everything in this cell. They're going to find that phone. He says they don't find the phone. They take him to like the captain's office. And when they take him in there, they're like, why did you tell the guy you had a phone? He was like, I told him what he wanted to hear. And they were like, so you don't have a phone he was like no and so he said they all the captains like the higher up started banging on that officer in front of him right yeah i i listen that's not happening i know listen but i mean that there's so many stories that are just and and a lot of these other guys

jump on the same thing like oh you know you know guys in the comment section will say like you know if you have to that you know oh as soon as you get in you got to join a gang you got to like you don't have it's just look you know and this is the thing too is like every state's different the fed feds are different you can say something oh this is how it was that would never happen so okay well you did time and you did two years in in california state like that doesn't mean that you're even across the even if you say federal prison in cal federal prison in california alo is different than a federal prison alo in florida right you see i'm saying like that prison you may have some those are tough prisons compared to a Florida low.

So everything is different. Everybody's so 100% this is the way it is. That's the way it is. It's not always like that. And these guys, like I said, they exaggerate the stories or they're really telling a story that happened to another guy or a guy that they heard. And the West Austin says he did like over a decade in California state prisons. He really did his time in, I think Arizona, I think he only did like 18 months in

California. And he was housed in like Arizona or another state. whatever state houses prisoners for and then he was in a couple different locations there and he didn't do 10 years he did like seven like like like like what is first of what does it matter why lie about that it's like you know it's kind of like a and we'll wrap it up it's kind of like the mark uh Marcus Schringer it's like this is a guy who would lie about everything but the truth of it what he really was was he's a stunt pilot like he has a He has a degree in aeronautics and finance. He has a pilot's license. He is a stunt pilot. He has his own stunt plane. He has his own personal aircraft, too.

He runs a wealth management company and has a dozen guys that work underneath him and lives in a two and a half million dollar house. Like, you're a top tier individual. And then, you know what he does on top of that? He then has to lie and say he was in the Air Force flying these jets. He worked with NASA. He was like, what are you doing? You're already a top two person.

Like if you're going to say, make, if you're going to say, hey, I'm a tough guy. I went to federal prison. Okay, you don't have to jump from seven years to 10. You don't have to jump from Arizona to California. Like, why don't you stick with the truth? The truth to the guy that's driving the forklift is already. unfortunately impressed by that you don't have to add all the other bullshit so but they they don't they have to add it and they have to be the toughest guy and they got to be the shot caller and they got

walk around with my paperwork hooped in my ass and stop bro stop you know have you seen the spinoffs of him yeah like people that did talk the same exact way in the camera as him and shit i'm like dude some of these are guys are like his disciples and they they mimic him some of them him like they're yeah yeah some of some guys mock him but some guys it's i'm talking about the people mimicking him yeah it's it's outrageous oh my godly are this dude done infiltrated your brain that bad yeah and then you're you're a you're a life coach on a guy who clearly doesn't have life down and he's giving business he's teaching people about how to run a business on a guy who's never run a successful business other than being a life coach yeah no he has i mean he's made a ton of money right

absolutely um a friend of mine is friends with him and well not really friends they're their acquaintances my friend's a real estate agent this kid knows everybody he just puts himself in situations to meet people really good kid and he was friends with the guy and um a couple of times he went by his house like to congratulate him on something else that he did he bought a big penthouse in downtown san diego and the dude got real rude with him but then he bought a house supposedly bought this house and um rancho uh super rich zip code i don't remember the exact name but it's like we're all the super rich people live just north of san diego um and the kid called him at like nine o'clock at night and west snapped on him threatening him threatened

to come to his house and fuck him up the kid called me he's like dude what do i do he's like he's threatened me and i'm like bro he's not gonna come and mess with you he's got way too much to lose like well but just forget about but you know he was but then he got arrested recently yeah yeah yeah jumped on the dude in the gym yeah yeah that was pretty lame too yeah um yeah you are we're good because we'll just keep going bro like this will just you have to just walk away sometimes. I'll talk people all the time. I'll keep talking, talk, and I'm like, walk away, bro. He doesn't have to walk away. All right. So just do the thing. All right. Hey, you guys, I appreciate

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