Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Wrongfully Arrested by Dirty Cops: Ronnie Bo’s Insane True Story

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

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I even was convicted, you know, for a crowd that I didn't commit and I took a plea. And there's reasons why, you know, it's a lot of innocent people who have been coercioned to taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that there's probably, you might have been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do. But if you take a plea, you might get five years or, you know. This system is wicked and very corrupt. I was placed in shackles and cups. They cut off my clothes, stripped me naked, and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that with shackles and cuffs on,

no clothes for over 24 hours. They wanted me to die. They probably thought I was going to die because of that. They will use you up, chew you up, and spit you out. You know that. They don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general. Like, if people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government.

No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmates. Because they have absolute power. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And there's no, there's, there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be interviewing Ronnie Bo. He is a former drug dealer, wrongfully incarcerated, sued the police, I think, two or three different times. And he is currently a book author and rapper. should be a super interesting interview so check it out let's go back and start from the beginning

you know like just like we were born where in milwaukee yeah uh north side of Milwaukee Wisconsin the uh 5 3206 area to be exact and uh I mentioned the zip call because there was a movie uh there was a release about three or four years ago about the 53 206 area because uh according to the researchers in that movie that was listed as the highest crime right area in America at the time okay um so that's you were raised you were born there raised there yeah born born there raised there uh outside of traveling in and being a prison a bunch of times you know that's that's been in my environment most of my life. So did your parents have several kids?

I mean, were they your brother, sisters? Well, unfortunately, you know, my mother only had two boys, which my older brother and I, and he got killed in 2016 from a federal gunshot one. So I'm the only child now, but, yeah, it was just me and him growing up until no date that he was a kid. All right. What did your mom do for a living? A typical black mom in poverty, nine or five.

She actually worked at Walgreens when I was young and all of her jobs, having done. been much greater than Walgreens. I mean, recently she worked for Amazon. Yeah, just that's about it. That's all I could say as far as her employment. Okay. Your dad, was he in your life?

Barely, I mean, my mom and my dad stayed together until I was probably about eight years old and though they broke up, he left. he wasn't a part of my life since that point so I guess it's safe to say that I grew up without a father figure and you went to school you know in the area like how did that go were you a good

student did you yeah well actually the the school the elementary school that I went to call the father it was actually directly right across the street from the uh the house that I grew up in I mean, I did pretty well at school, you know, outside of having, you know, behavior issues. And, I mean, I guess there's many reasons why I was acting up. But as far as, you know, grades, when I wanted to comply and pay attention and be a good student, I was able, you know, to get good grades. But I kind of dropped out early high school. And then I went to juvenile prison my freshman year, and I ended up finishing school with the, with, it's called a H-S-ED, you know, it's, it's worth more than GED, which is more common.

And, yeah, I finished that within months, so I actually finished school in juvenile prison. Why did you, how'd you end up in Jewelby? Well, called a drug case. it wasn't that wasn't even my first case you know i was pretty bad as a juvenile delinquent so i i actually have more felons as a juvenile than i do as a adult you know i was just most of the cases were either gone related or drug related but uh more so uh drug related well how did that how did that get started like how did you start selling drugs you know, just being raised in poverty, my mom wasn't able to provide for me and my brother

sufficiently, I would say. And, you know, there were kids at the school that I would go to, oh, that I was going to, who would, you know, kind of like ridicule me because I wasn't fresh enough. You know, I didn't have the brands of clothing that they wore. You know, that started, you know, that started to bother me. I didn't have the video games I wanted. So at an early age, I actually started selling drugs when I was 11 years old, really just for school clothes and video games,

no things of that nature. Okay. So how long, I mean, and then you ended up, you said you ended up catching a case? Yes. My first case was actually a Richter's endangerment. I shot up a residence home. A guy has sold me a cell phone back then when cell phones were just becoming popular.

He told me there were like 120 minutes on phone. And I had made like one too many phone call and it was done. And, you know, he didn't want to give me my money back and he was running and how are you from you. So, you know, just being a young wild child, I took that approach and got that infuriated over the incident to where I wanted to cause them so very serious harm. He won't come outside, so I just shot up the home. Okay. What did you shoot up with? It's like a 22? Is it an AK-47? Like... Ironically, and it is it. this is documented but ironically it was the shotgun and i was i was a small kid so man i'm still

small now so and that kind of helped me because you know while fighting the case my attorney was basically saying he he too big to carry a shotgun and shoot on and so i actually i actually beat the record's endangerment it was only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon by because the only real proof and evidence they had is that my finger pressed was on the gun. Okay. Where'd you get the gun? Even though the statute of limitations,

I don't want to be telling nobody. All right. So how did you end up in Juby, though? That wasn't the case. You said, right? Well, I did go to Juby for that, but they released me on a house arrest for that. All he said about a week or two before I was released, and then I was only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, which wasn't a serious crime, which definitely wasn't a series

as reckless endangerment. The allegations of actually shooting his gun into a resident home, so it can. case was kind of petty. They gave me probation. And then while on probation, I caught a case for delivery of a controlled substance. I sold drugs to undercover cop. And I actually didn't sell the drugs to him directly. A friend of mine lied to me and told me if they knew this person, they was trying to make a couple dollars off for the transaction. So I gave the drugs to a friend and he served the undercover cop and brought me the money back. and by time he brought me the money back to the police just came from out of nowhere

caught me in arresting and that's that's that was around the time i i went to jail as a when i went out during my freshman year and that's i did a little bit of time for that and that's when you got your high school to ball on yeah so i mean obviously you know you get out when did you get out I got out about I got out to be exact it was April of 2004

okay and so you went and you got a job at the bank and now that's you know you're still working there and everything's fine and you did it the right thing and now you're a mortgage broker

and no? Yeah I wish I'd definitely have plans of doing such things but unfortunately the day after I was released I started back selling drugs you know

as a juvenile it's like you don't have the same conscious as especially we don't have kids it's like you know you were locked up around a bunch of other kids who talked about doing the same

things when they got out so it wasn't like I did time and thought well look I did this time to change my life, you know, I need to do this and that. I was still in those young and dumb stages to where it's like, well, you know, I got off on this. I'm out now. I need some money. This is the only way I know of making money and I need some quick money, so it's what I'm going to go back to doing, basically. That was my state of mind at the time. How long did that go on until you got busted again?

I actually got busted again a year after in 2005. And I actually caught three cases that year. Well, two of them, I was ringing friendly, and even back then, you know, I was being harassed by the police. one of them i was actually i was actually guilty i bailed out on the first two and then the last time i was like well i knew i would have to sit eventually anyway i knew that i would be convicted so it was like i might as well sit and get this time out the way the third time and uh two of those cases were drug cases and the uh the third case was possession of a firearm And the crazy thing about that is I was always told, like, as a juvenile, the juvenile felons wouldn't affect me in my adult life.

But I was charged as a felon with a firearm based upon my juvenile felon. So I started realizing that injustice of the system even back in because that was unlawful. Your lawyer didn't fight that? He just said, oh, yeah, that's the way it is? Yeah, I mean, he actually admitted that they wasn't supposed to be able to do it, but, you know, they don't really, that's another thing. I realize these lawyers, they, it's really about money, you know, and I understand that. It's not really about, you know, defending the civil rights and constitutional rights of your client for them. It's all about just money, you know, if they could. make more money getting you off they might try to get you off but if they could make the same money or more by you know getting you a deal or whatever then that's what they're going to do right so i mean what happened so what happened after that you you you how long did you get on that

one uh well two a part of my plea deal was to drop two of the cases and to plead to one I still, unfortunately, was sentenced to a total of nine years. The way that the sentence structured, though, was three in, six out. So I did three years straight and got out on paper. I managed to stay out on parole or whatever for about a good two years. And then I didn't even catch another case after that until my Fed case. but I went back for for a parole violation

while the stipulations of my parole was revoked because of a parole violation. My son's mother called my probation officer and said that I'm still selling drugs.

She lied said it was a bunch of drugs in the house. By time they came, there was no drugs. there and then while i was locked up on hold for that i was they they have a phone call with basically me cussing around after i found out that she was the one he called and said i had drugs so they actually gave me intimidating witness for that and you know i was basically threatening i was upset telling her i'm a little i'm smack the hell out of her you know when i The fall call made me seem like a real bad guy.

Even though no drugs was filed, they gave me a violation for intimidating witness. And the crazy thing about that is I did more time that I had ever done in my life for parole violation. They revoked my parole for four years. So I did four years straight after that just off. You did three and then another four. Yeah. And this is all state. Yeah.

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giving me four years for parole violations based on a call and i thought i had the right to be upset if somebody was to lie in and make such allegations about me to jeopardize my freedom but you know the system works how it works I think why did she call why did she call like why would we were having a relationship problems and in Milwaukee it's just the culture here you know like a lot of black men are on probation

we cheat we mess up you know some of some of us do go as far as putting our hands all females That's not my thing. I'm totally against that, but it's like they use that as a way to blackmail you and say, well, I'll call your P.O. You know, you could get into an argument or you could be cheating or wherever, and it's like, I'm going to call you Pio. That's how they blackmail us out here.

And it's very typical out here. So, you know, she used that against me, and she actually was. went and followed through with with her thoughts of uh getting back at me through up jeopardizing my freedom so uh man it's it's just a crazy story even the memory's kind of upset he again just thinking about it so you did four more years but this time you were you weren't a juvenile facility so when you got out this time i mean where you're still think in the same way? No, not really because, see, a part of the reason why my son's mother did it, that, like,

she was insecure about who I was becoming. This is around the time of my life, I was taking my career as a rap artist series, and I was in the source magazine, which was considered at the time as, it's like the hip-hop Bible, you know, a lot of people in, in the rocking country genre where they look up to the Rolling Stone magazine as a, you know, a major accomplishment to be in. And that's what the source magazine was to the hip-hop culture at the time. I was there. I was on, I was reviewed on the top 40 charts at the time for Drake and Lowell Wayne, still in one of my songs.

So I would be coming big off. all of that type of publicity and she felt like you know i had options and did although my heart was with her she just felt like she you know being at my show seeing the attention i get from other females she did like how i interacted with other females because yeah i seen them as my fan you know i i gave them hugs i could tell there some of them were like actually interesting me and to be honest sometimes i would be interested in them as well and she could see that so with me not being around sometimes her mind is automatically all he out doing this he out doing that you know i could be taking pictures with with a fan and she might see the picture and think oh that's his

girlfriend so we start having problems in our relationship because of be just based on that and that led to a lot of arguments sometimes things did get physical you know look i don't believe in beating the woman so i never actually really like i heard her put my hands on it but sometimes you know i have to you know grab her up and and tell her calm down chill out stop swinging at me stuff doing stuff that that type of stuff but yeah then it led to that to where it's like well i know if i get them locked up, then maybe I won't have to worry about him cheating, or maybe these girls won't like him so much if he was in jail, you know. But yeah, that's that's that's that's that's that's stick around. Yeah, that's that's that's as he's because she was the one putting money on the

phone of the sending me books to read and actually putting money on my books for me to order commissary so she she was she was she was there and that's another thing like while while i was doing time she she sent me a lot of books about business about uh not just the music business but you know other businesses that i was interested in and i had made up my mind during that time during that four years that this is how i'm going to make money for now you know i've been selling drugs since I was a kid that's too risky uh I'm I felt like it was a immature hustle for me you know because I really you know grew up doing that and I felt like this it's like this for me it's like for for the young and dumb but when you have sense and you know how to make money

off books or music or real estate it's like it's kind of childish to even want to take that risk especially if you have kids that are depending on you. You know, like I had a son by then, so I didn't want him to grow up and go through the things I had to go through. So it's like I got to put this lifestyle to the side and start, you know, developing into this area of, you know. Right. Well, so then you be basically,

get out after four years you've got kind of a different mindset so what was your plan well while incarcerated I was studying credit systems and I was actually able to start

building my credit there you know I have my little son's mother apply for certain things going out you for credit report send me to copy my credit report and, you know, order this book so I could know how to add this trade line, how to build credit. So that was, uh, that was a major part of my plans to, uh, you know, establish credit.

So when I get to the point, I want to buy a home, whether it's to rent it out, flip it or live in, you know, you know, credit comes in handy. for things like that also if i wanted to take out a loan to invest into my music career or my uh career as a book author you know so i could execute a marketing plan or whatever it's like i won't have to raise money in the street you're by selling drugs to do it you know now i build credit so now i have to take out a business loan or whatever and do everything the right way so You know, I was, I was definitely progressing towards those plans. All right.

So what's the next, what's the next thing that happened? What year is this, by the way? Well, I was incarcerated from 2010 until 2014. And in between that time, I actually published my first. book in 2012 from prison. Okay. That, like for the first couple months, it seemed to be

a success, but my main market was inmates. You know, I seen how much books sold in prison. Everybody, you know, read books being in the streets. I've never seen nobody read a book on the street, you know what I mean? But locked up, everybody was reading.

books so it was like okay there's a market for this and i seen the type of books that they were reading so i uh i wrote a book on uh certain subjects you know to appeal to the urban culture uh and the book was actually banned while i was in prison you know uh the the prison staff the security director they thought that i was like some type of gang leader and they confiscated in my book they ran it

they said that I was teaching gang literature they said that I was recruiting gangster disciples for Larry Hoover like something like totally outrageous now I think of that that should be one of the

articles that I sent you but you know that that kind of like like held back the the success of that book because now it's like wow so my book is banned by my targeted market so now who do I sell the book to now you know what I mean right well I wrote I published another book

by time I got out it was a women's empowerment book title value the vagina so I was uh I was working on my market and planning for that when I got out I was building credit I Then, like, professionally start a credit business book. I was making income on the size by helping people with a credit, you know, doing simple things like disputes, adding trade lines, teaching them where to go to get along what the creditors look for. So I was making money off the credit. I was making money off book sales. I was doing events, you know, as a rap artist, you know, just regular. like shows, performances, concerts.

So that was my source of income at the time, like after my release from prison in 2014. So, okay, so when did you, how long did this go on until the, what, either your next, until something changed or you got arrested or It's a crazy story It's a hell of a story

Now, while I was Incarcerated This guy, I don't even know if I Should say his name Because he turned out to be the informant In my Fed case And I put out a song Around the time that I was

Arrested and bailed out I put out a song called Wack the Rats where I mentioned him by Knitney. And two or three days later, I had a U.S. Marshal warrant out based on things I said in a song about him. So just to rewind us back to, you know, the root of the problem, basically.

When, while I was doing time, you know, I had already met the guy. I know him he was he had a local magazine out that was doing very well in the city so by time I got locked up you know I was emerging as a rap artist so I was publishing articles and ads in his magazine so we were we were doing business together even while I was incarcerated by time I got released from prison you know he was a club owner and the club wasn't doing it so well he knew that i was a promoter he knew he knew he knew me from doing successful events so we uh we went into business that was like i said one of my sources of income was doing event so he hired me as uh to as a club promoter for his club so we started doing business on that area now behind the scenes i guess he he was involved in illegal drug activity, street activity, because the feds had arrested him,

and this was during the time we were doing business together, they arrested him for a drug conspiracy. He ended like 15 other people, and they had him as the leader. Now, it was a guy who he had introduced me to one of my events, a guy that was based in Chicago who was listed in our indictment as his supplier. Now, he introduced me to this guy. You know, the guy wanted to meet me because

I had an organization called Bowgirls, and they were my promoters. You know, basically, I would get a digital flyer made, text it to them, they posted on their social media, and this is how all my events sold out. So I had 90 bowl girls and but they assumed that I was a pimp because I had all these girls calling themselves bull girls

promoting my events and my books and things of that nature so this guy that I was introduced to just so I don't confuse the audience and the magazine publisher introduced me

to a friend of his who was based in Chicago who was. was later listed in the indictment as the supplier of the guy who on the magazine. So when the guy who owned a magazine got arrested, the feds wanted him to set some people up and work on some people. So the target was the guy that I was introduced to in Chicago. He was supposed to be the supplier.

So I developed the relationship with this guy. we became cool you know he had other business endeavors he also he wanted to get off into concert promotion so he was basically saying i were investing to you i will i will pay to bring guys like little dirt uh to your events and we could split the money like this you just the promoter i'm the investor so uh you know we got cool we started doing business like that so i don't know if my a so-called friend who introduced me to this guy was jealous of our business bond or whatever but he later told the feds you know the feds asked him do he know anybody else that this guy is supplying and he told him that he supplies me so just how the feds got on me they started watching me from

there they were harassing me well i'm been stopped plenty times they came in certain houses no drugs where I were found and I was being harassed for like a year from this uh so did you know why or did you have any any inkling as to that that this guy had put put the feds on to you or you just were you just like I have no idea what's going on like absolutely at first you know I do have a bad criminal history so as first I just speculated that the maybe they assumed, well, by seeing me become successful in other areas, maybe they thought that my money was coming from the street still. So that's what I assumed.

I didn't speculate that no particular person or anything had put them on me. I just thought, well, they probably see me growing and developing as something else. Like I got into political affair. There was a local politician by the name of Mike, geek me and him have put out a documentary together uh so it was just a lot going on and i thought maybe they targeted harass me because of this or that i really didn't even assume that this guy had put the feds on already but uh it had it had got out of hand like they was asking me to actually be informed.

They kept saying things like, well, we know that you are, you know certain drug dealers. Maybe you're not in the streets, but we know, you know, you could help us out. And we want you to be an informant for us. And when I seen that they were trying to make me be an informant, I actually had sued them, you know. And the crazy thing about this, too, is that it's like,

before I sued them myself because I sued them without an attorney. It was pro se. But I was telling a lot of attorneys about what was going on and they didn't want them to do with it, you know?

So I actually had to sue myself and two weeks after I sued, I was indicted as a member of a drug trafficking organization based in Chicago. And according to them, The guy that I was introduced to by the guy who owned his magazine was allegedly my supplier. So by the time the paperwork came out, I saw who the informant was and I was shocked.

Like, wow, dude, you know, put the feds on me. I was aware of everything that was alleged. you know it was it's a very crazy very crazy case uh if anybody are in is interested the case number that of the lawsuit is uh 17 cv 1192 that one is based in the eastern district of wisconsin that's the lawsuit i filed against a DEA agent timothy p gray uh I can't say that I won because winning is going to trial and being rewarded a certain amount of money, but they did settle, which, you know, proves that there was married in the case. Right. But I don't want to get too far off until, you know, the end results.

I think that's where I'm going, but it was a lot of things that happened in between that before I actually, you know, settled the case. I even was convicted, you know, for a crime that I didn't commit, and I took a plea. And there's reasons why, you know, it's a lot of innocent people who have been coercioning to taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that there's probably, you might have been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do. But if you take a plea, you might get five years or so. Right. This system is wicked and very corrupt.

So you were indicted, they came and arrested you? Yeah. You bond out? Huh? Were you able to bond out? Yeah, eventually. Like, even prior to the arrest, like, they wasn't just harassed me, but they was harassing this lady who was my ex-girlfriend at the time.

one time they arrested her and they told her they found 90 grams of heroin in her purse and that they knew it was mine I believe that they actually planted the drugs on her but

she actually she didn't even do any time for that you know she later let her on in the indictment you know that's threatening her with time and then she later basically said that

the droves with mine and that I had been basically I've basically been using her to sell my drugs for me basically, you know, just to sum it up and a lot of her statements were obvious

lies, you know, she contradicted herself a bunch of times in her statements, you know, just to try to get herself out of it. And, you know, a body gracious guy, you know, my lawyer and I was able to point out all the contradictions in her statement. So they couldn't really use the things that she said against him. You know, and when they indicted me, they actually separated the cases. I had a case based here in Wisconsin, and then the actual Fed case was based in Chicago in the northern district of Illinois.

And the case that could have really put me away for a long time was based in Wisconsin. That's where I was saying I was a member of this drug trafficking organization. And that, you know, the informant, the guy who all this magazine was saying that I had a worker that I used to use to, you know, basically serve him drugs. So he was lying and saying that I was serving him drugs too. And there was one particular incident where he said, did I serve him 50 grams of heroin? And he named a guy as my worker. The guy that he named even admitted that he never met me,

that he doesn't know me, and that he was never working for me. I even had my lawyer hire a voice analyst specialist because they said they had a phone call to prove that I was serving as God drugs. and the voice out of the specialist results came back the far cause were definitely not me so I beat that case that case could have put me away for about

four years they tried to give me to take a plea for 10 years I wouldn't take the plea I definitely knew that I wasn't guilty the day of trial they actually dismissed the case after basically it was confirmed that the person on these calls wasn't me and that the guy who they said was my worker admitted that he doesn't know me they dismissed the case at trial so then I had to deal with the case based in Chicago

where they said that there's 90 grams of heroin was found in my girlfriend's purse and then she later said it was mine so my time was basically like, well, you got the main, the big case out of the way, and you already sent a certain amount of time. And this, the guidelines, according to the guidelines, you're already facing about 40 months, 41 months for this. So if you take a plea, you'll be out in another couple months. So even though I knew I wasn't guilty of the other case, I mean, he was right. I had already set time for a case I didn't do a, uh, the lady who was my ex-girlfriend was willing to testify and basically lied and say that I had her selling drugs and that the 90 grams of heroin was lying and he just felt like it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial because if I would have went to trial I probably would have did about 20 years for that but with the plea you know basically just pleading to the guidelines which was only about 41 months it's like okay well uh

it's not worth rolling the dice you know basically I could take this plea and be back home to my family in a couple months so I took the plea okay so and then you you got out was the lawsuit still going or had you already settled the lawsuit yeah the lawsuit was again filed before the whole indictment so So, I forgot what they, the attorney for the DEA, who I was showing, they filed something. I forgot exactly what it was called, but it basically put my lawsuit on hold until my indictment was overweight. So once I was convicted on the indictment and that was out, then I was able to get the, lawsuit back going and it's it's it's it's a very crazy story bro like uh before before i took the plea

uh as i said the lawsuit was already going you know but before i took the plea uh the evidence had not surface yet that the uh the officer the d-yate officer tim gray you know he he was later he was later arrested himself you know for telling a fellow officer to frame someone else in a criminal case so his fellow officer went back and told on him and the crazy thing is this all happened before I took the plea but it didn't surface into my indictment until like a year later

you know my case was held back because of the coronavirus pandemic and all that so by time a citizen had approached you know documentation has surfaced that this office this DEA officer Tim Gray

had not only framed me and fabricated evidence against me to indict me, but he had done this on other occasions and one of his own officers, one of his own fellow officers had came forth and said, yeah, he asked me to frame someone in the case. So then it was more obvious that the claims that I had made and my lawsuit were likely to be true. So by time I got out, I had the documents from the Department of Justice that showed that basically it was proven that he had fabricated evidence against other people and framed other innocent people in cases so I used that you know to basically

solidify my lawsuit against him you would use that to help kind of a bolster your case all the information that came out with with the officer that he had he was obviously willing to set people up. So you use that to bolster your case and then what? They took a, you took up, I mean, they settled? Yeah, they start offering me deals once I filed the evidence into my lawsuit that basically proved that this guy was fabricating evidence against others. It strengthened my lawsuit.

So once I started filing such evidence into my case, you know, his attorney. started reaching out to me for a settlement conferences and things of that nature you know i was i was sending uh i was sending certain documentation to uh certain politicians i sent it to congress i sent it to the uh the senate uh people who were supposedly uh overseeing uh You know, cases of government and justice and corruption, police misconduct. And so once they basically saw the approach that I was taking in in the direction I was going with the case, you know, they didn't want that out to the public. And that's why it's an honor to be on your platform because, like, I was reaching out to, you know, mainstream news media. know, places like Time Magazine, Chicago, Sun-Times, other mainstream news platforms,

and no one would cover this, you know, it's like the story would have never been told because they try to cover up similar instances of injustice, you know, especially when it comes down to federal aid, they'll be more likely to reveal what the local, police officer is doing, you know, but they won't be so quick to expose the actual federal agent because that actually exposes the federal government. And another thing about the lawsuit is that even with the evidence, no attorney was willing to take my case as if the case didn't have no mirror. And some of them was even admitting that they were, they were not willing to go up against the government, a government agent.

You know, according to them, it was bad for their career. So I was forced to study the law and learn the law because no lawyer would have represented me. And some even made it seem like I didn't have no merit. But if I didn't have no mirror, the case would have never even been settled. And they had been dismissed years ahead of time. Like, they were trying to dismiss the case for about four years.

You know, the case against the DEA was filed in 2017, and it was settled in 2022 last year. So that case extended for five years, and if it didn't have no merit or if they could have deemed it a frivolous case, it would have been dismissed a long time ago, probably immediately after I filed. But that just shows the type of, you know, people who want to. work behind mainstream media. It also shows the type of people who, you know, are supposed to defend the civil rights of the citizens here in America. You know, they're not willing to really defend us against government corruption. So if we don't study this for ourselves, you know, they will be allowed to get away with

almost anything. And then another thing, like, it's a blessing that platform. such as yours are started to emerge because through platforms like yours the truth could get out to the public about all the corruption that the government keeps in the dark.

Otherwise, mainstream media would have never covered anything like this where an actual federal agent is exposed and its documentation to prove this. You know, you can't even say that my claims are allegations

anymore because it has all been proven is the fact that this DEA agent, Timothy P. Gray, to be exact, fabricated evidence against me and framed me as a member of a drug trafficking organization.

And he did it with malicious intent. And the legal term for this is vindictive prosecution and malicious prosecution. Because he framed me in a criminal case as a member of a drug trafficking

in the organization after many attempts to coerce me to be an informant. And once I sued, because I felt like he was trying to put my life in danger by trying to force me to be informed it, you know, two weeks after I sued him for my allegations against him, that he brings forth all of these boys' allegations against me, you know, and frame me in the case. so uh i'm i'm grateful to be on this platform it's an honor and not just for me but i think this will open the doors for many people like me you know all colors all races because this this is not just happening to blacks in america maybe more so uh blacks are targeting but uh

i was locked up with a guy named alpin wilwitchin uh older white men and uh he was he was uh one of the top fund managers in the world you know he was managing billions of dollars on stock market and uh he had some legal issues with uh goldman sacks i believe they're called and and a few other major organizations and uh as soon as he was uh attempted to file complaints about the things that he was going through you know they framed him in a case and said that he was basically still money from his investors and, you know, other powerful people in the stock market. So, I mean, I'm pretty sure this interview might even reach him

and he may want to tell this story next. So, I mean, I'll salute you, you know, for what you're doing. I appreciate it. So what was the next? So what happened? So they settled the case with you. They came to you just before trial, right? Was this the one?

And then they offered you something, and you were like, okay, I'll take it because, you know, like something's better than nothing. Well, at first offer was 10,000. And, you know, most people probably wouldn't even take that, you know, after fighting this for so long. And, you know, everyone is basically, in despair about it, like my family, friends, even attorneys was basically saying that I'm wasting my time with going up against the government.

They basically said, you're not going to win, you're wasting your time. You're not going to get anywhere with this, you know, and so even though the $10,000 offer was a little or nothing, it indicated that, okay, I have a case. and by this offer it's you know it shows it okay i have a case so i didn't jump on the offer it actually made me go a little harder because it's now now it's like you know when a shark smell blood you know you you go in for the keel and it's like okay i smell blood now y'all offer me some money so this is y'all way of saying we got to uh we got to try to you know get him off the way before this goal is to trial because if this goal is a trial he may be awarded 10 million you know what I mean right and uh yeah I actually I actually had two lawsuits against the same

uh agent Tim Gray because I sued him before he indicted me and then after I beat the case where he was where they was saying this guy was my worker you know it showed that it showed false imprisonment because I had already said about a year in prison on that case along. So once that case was dismissed, then I sued them again for false imprisonment. So by time they settled, they basically brought both lawsuits together and said, okay, we'll settle if you will agree to dismiss both these lawsuits against D.E.A. Timothy P. Greyer. and at this point

that he's also been implicated in in corruption charges where he's talking about it's been proven that he's talking about framing people yeah they don't want they don't want that coming up in court

yeah one of his officers actually had him on body cam footage where he's asking him the other officer hey uh plant this on this guy or say you found something on him or say he did this. I forgot exactly what he was trying to frame the civilian into, but he was asking this other officer to do it.

And so the other officer was basically like, no, you're crazy. I'm not doing it. He reported him, and he gave up the body cam footage to prove that, you know, Tim Gray had actually really solicited him to France or one in the criminal case. So then other officers start coming forward and basically saying, yeah, this is him. This is what he know for doing for doing. You know, he framed this person or he fabricated evidence against this person. So now it's like, like, wow, you know, all of this came out in the midst of my lawsuit.

I wish it would have came out in the midst of my criminal case before I took the plea because I believed that that would have been forced to dismiss the criminal case. such evidence would have surfaced prior to me taken the plea. Right. So after that lawsuit was settled, what happened then?

Because you have another lawsuit. There were those two lawsuits and there was a third lawsuit. Absolutely. Now, the third lawsuit is the one that's still pending and this lawsuit is against the federal borough of prisons. Now, while I was

in custody and MCC Chicago, which is a federal holding facility. You know, unfortunately, it was during the time of the coronavirus pandemic. So, I mean,

I don't even have no experiences of what you guys were going through in the public because I was incarcerated during that whole time, but I mean, I hear that it was bad out here for you. all so you can just imagine what inmates went through in prison and you know if anyone can't imagine

you know what they were doing you know to be specific they made it to where we couldn't order commissary and you know they barely feed you in prison so uh we were starving they they wouldn't let us out just for shower we was on we was placed on 24 hour lockdown you know but because of the pandemic, you know, the quarantine. So they wouldn't let us out for showers. They wouldn't let us make any fine calls. We couldn't call our mother, wife, children, attorney, even attorneys, we weren't able to call.

And there were people dying. And, you know, if you listen, there was a recent fall call that came out from R. Kelly. it was recently publicized on certain YouTube channels. However, the recordings took place during the incidents from my lawsuit. And he was crying on the call. He was saying the animals are treated better than this. I'm glad that someone like him, you know, I mean, I wouldn't wish that experience on no one, But it's good that someone like him who's always in the media, you know, to make a call like that because it shines light on what they were doing to the entire inmate population, which I believe is about 1.2 million individuals, you know, but had it been the ordinary inmate who nobody knows, you know, such incidents probably would have stayed in the dark.

but now that Artelli has a public a phone call that has been publicized now I could use his phone call to draw attention to what they were doing not just to me but the other you know hundreds of thousands of inmates who experienced though the inhumane conditions of being incarcerated during a COVID pandemic you know because our Kelly and I were actually incarcerated in the same federal holding facility at the time and we were even on the same unit for a period of time so

with me filing this in my lawsuit and indicating you know the inhumane conditions the inadequate medical care that you know was being received now it's like okay now

I could shine the light on not just what they did to me again because in my particular incident you know I have experiences that were worse than what they were doing to just inmates in general you know I had an incident where I refused to quarantine with another inmate who was a 85 year old medically compromised inmate, he was suffering from pre-existing medical conditions and the coronavirus is basically killing him. They wanted me to quarantine with him. It didn't make any sense. You know, the health administrator had just advised us against quarantining with any inmates. So when I refused to go into the cell with him, I was placed in shackles and cups. They cut off my clothes,

stripped me naked and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that with shackles and cuffs on no clothes for over 24 hours you know and uh and they did it at a time where they knew like i was basically dying myself you know i had just had suffered a near fatal asthma attack the asthma attack prior to that where I was left unconscious and if it wasn't for the other inmates banging on doors saying somebody helped him he died they would have just left me like that

without no medical cure and they did this days later to where they put me in shackles and cuffs and stripped me negative put me in a cold seal they literally did this days after I had nearly died from COVID-19 And so, I mean, that's what that's what the lawsuit was based upon. And, you know, I believe what R. Kelly stagnet publicly that, you know, animals are treated better than that.

It shows that my clients weren't just my claims, you know, someone else felt like that. And he thought he was going to die in there, you know. I was going to say they don't care like they don't care about the inmates we used to we used to joke that the the um you know the single largest contributor to you know deaths in

Coleman it was was medical I mean medical we we gather their guys going to medical and getting the wrong medication or not being given their medication and there was a guy who got off the bus one time who was asthmatic and you know how they get you off the bus like just before count right so you get out of like R&D and then like you have to go to count or you know like four o'clock close to

four o'clock so he goes in immediately and says hey look look I need my uh my inhaler you know like it's in medical and and they're like yeah right after count right after count he's like no man I need it now like I'm extremely asthmatic and they were like bro they're like you know they're immediately they're like you know they do the whole intimidation thing you know getting the cell right now or you know you're going to get thrown in the chew and it so he's like and they're like look we'll get it for you but this is you you don't run nothing here to you he goes and gets to the cell of course they count you at four but it's not till like 420 430 till they're completely done but then he goes up the hey goes up to the CEO hey man I need my stuff

they're like we'll get to it when we get to it well listen by it's after 5 5.30 medical's gone so by the time the cop comes out he says oh i called down there but they're already gone you have to wait till tomorrow he's like bro what if something happens you'll you'll be fine a dude died that night he had an asthma attack he'd been on the bus he was extremely you know a lot of anxiety you know which isn't good um and he had an asthma attack in the middle of the fucking night and he died wow They don't give a shit They'll go with fun Or is there Did a loss some service Dude to that I don't know

Because you know what's so funny You know what they always do They always grab them And call medical And then they come in with a stretcher And they put you on a stretcher And then they call the ambulance And then they say

He died on the way to the hospital I never died there They always died on the way to the hospital We had another guy We had a guy that went into medical one time He went in on like a a Thursday complained about his chest pain. They said,

we got to come back tomorrow. They came back on Friday and said, I need to see the doctor. They said, you can see him on Monday. Right? You know, he filled out the form. They said, no, you don't understand. I got chest pains.

They said, yeah, Monday. You come back Monday. So that night, well, not that day, was in the middle of the day. He came walking in, and his name was Kiki, and he fell, boom, right in front of him. of my in front of my cell dead had a massive heart day in his 30s like in his mid 30s but he was a he was

extremely overweight black eye overweight um you know chest pains died and uh that was it like oh they they immediately they called medical medical came in they put him on a stretcher i'm telling you right now that man was dead in front of my right in front of my cell so they said later it came out He died on his way to the hospital. That man was dead before he hit the ground. He didn't move, not one bit. They came and they did the whole, you know, boom, on his chest, and they lifted him up, and it took four people to get him outside.

And listen, he was done, bro. He was done. He wasn't alive. So anyway, yeah, they'll kill you. They don't, they're not going to help you. And see, my family thought that I was exaggerating when, you know i will call or email them and explain to them what was going on with not just me but other inmates you know and like like you said they they will ignore your medical condition

your medical conditions no matter how bad they are like before i had the asthma attack bro like i was i was complaining i couldn't really couldn't breathe and i didn't know this was this was before I actually was diagnosed with COVID, you know, when I, when I had the, by time I had the asthma attack, I had been complaining for days about not being able to breathe about how I need my inhaler. So after the incident where I passed out, I was literally probably unconscious for about 30 minutes and they really just left me there. It took for inmates to really start like banging and yell at saying, look, somebody do something. He probably did. Like, what is y'all doing? So they came and, you know, provided me a little medical treatment, at least to get me back conscious.

But that was it. But the next day, they gave me a COVID test. And it just so happened, I test positive for COVID. So it wasn't just that my asthma was so bad, bother me. But I had asthma and I had COVID, which is not a good combination. is actually a very deadly combination. So when they realized this, you know, of course, I kept filing complaints. I actually submitted that into my lawsuit.

And then this was days later where they tried to force me to quarantine and a cell with another inmate who was technically dying. And because I didn't, they used that as a reason to put me in. and shackles in cuffs, cut my claws off, put me inside a shoe sale. You know, you've probably been to the fed, so you know about the shoe people. Now, people don't. It's what they call the hole. You know, they put me in a hole, left me.

Shackles and cuffs, no claws on again, 24 hours. And it's like, they wanted me to die. They probably thought I was going to die because of that. And this is just one of the claims in my lawsuit against the Bureau of Prisons. And for anyone who wants to look up that case, that case number is 22 CV 0550. That one is in the Northern District of Illinois. That one is still pending. And again, I'm just so grateful to be on your platform, bro,

because I would have never been able to reach the public this way, you know, especially not through any mainstream news sites because, you know, they work with the government and anything to expose this type of government corruption, especially on this level where it's costing people, their lives, you know, they would never allow me to reveal this type of information. in the mainstream media

so again I appreciate you for having me and allowed me to tell my story on your platform right so at what stage is the lawsuit I mean you filed you filed that have they responded yet

yeah that that's the thing of my last hearing was May 25th and basically the judge is given the defendant another month and a half because the next hearing is July 13 so they're giving them a little more time to respond but in my last filings you know I found I forgot which federal rule of

civil procedure it is to be exact but if they don't respond by the next hearing then the court is forced to grant me the relief that I'm asking for. And of course, my life was jeopardized, so I'm probably going to ask for maybe $10 million for that, you know. So is there anything that you feel like we haven't touched on? Not much. It's just, you know, being in the feds, you know, and studying the law,

I was one of the guys who other inmates, you know, came to for legal advice and help. And I just want to make it clear that the judicial system is just so corrupt that we don't even have attorneys who will really defend our civil rights. You know, like even Ben Krupp, he's supposed to, you know, be for the civil rights and he's supposed to represent such cases. But what I realize about him is that, you know, he's basically like a cloud chasher. You know, if your case is not in the mainstream media already, he doesn't really want anything to do with it. You know, so we are forced to study the law for ourselves in order to defend our civil rights. And this case, you know, that's one thing that I probably should cover.

Like this case is not just about silver rights. rights, you know, this goes into the international jurisdiction because, you know, with such inhumane living conditions, it violates our human rights, which makes it a international claim. And so I did file also in the International Court of Justice, which is the World Court, and it deals with the United Nations, because, you know, the America has jurisdiction only over. civil rights, you know, and constitutional rights. So once they start to violate our human rights, we have the human right to take our claims outside their jurisdiction and bring it into the World Court.

So now it comes down to the similar claims to what Ukraine filed against Russian, you know, because now our human rights are at stake. And again, we don't have, we really don't have anyone over here that's really defending our civil rights. You know, we really have to like take a stand and study the law for ourselves because we can't really rely on attorneys because most attorneys, and I'm going to say 98% of them based on my own experience are not willing to defend us when it comes down to the government.

Yes, they may defend us against local police or whatever, but when it comes down to government agents and certain politicians, when they violate our rights, there's really no attorneys who are willing to take a stand and defend us. So we have to really defend ourselves. And if it wasn't for, again, platforms like such as yours, And if it wasn't for people like me who took time to actually study the law for ourselves, then these matters, you know, would have never been able to, would have never even serviced.

You know, the solutions of everyone will still be just oblivious to what we could do about this. Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that I have a buddy who is locked up, is named Stonovan Davis, black guy. So he is a heavy equipment operator and mechanic. So he can fix diesel engines and heavy and hydraulic systems and all kinds of the, you're a massive machine that you pay hundreds of dollars an hour for to hire a mechanic. He also does his family, and he grew up doing this. they do grading where they grade, you know, large swaths of land.

They cut trees down, that whole thing, right? So he is, he works at facilities in the camp at Coleman. Colman is the largest federal complex in the nation, and it's an hour north of Tampa. So when it came down to COVID, do you remember the getting released? the CARES Act where they're releasing inmate. You had 50% of your time completed.

Nonviolent. You have an out custody status, right? He's in a camp. You have, so you meet those requirements. And if you're, if you have a high probability of being

high probability of being susceptible to COVID, you have asthma, you have. obesity, you have you use a C-PAP machine, you have any of those things. So he has all of them.

Here's the thing. And he's in there for a white-collar crime. White-collar crime never been in trouble before. Made the mistake of going to trial, though. Got 17 years. But he had half of his sentence complete. Now here's the thing. You have 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 guys

with very similar charges as him, right? Like wire fraud, like white collar guys. Guys that ran Ponzi schemes. Those guys all got released. And there's actually, I have a list of the names of them. They all got released. So there's twofold to this problem. One, all of these people were released.

Same criteria as Donovan. They were all white. Donovan is a black guy. And here's the other thing. Donovan clears all the lots around the prisons. There's five prisons in Coleman. He fixes all the equipment. He fixes the equipment so well,

they're shipping equipment from other institutions to Florida to be repaired. They put, they throw all their stuff on a truck. They ship it down here because guess what? Donovan gets paid $4 a day, $1.15 an hour, or whatever that comes to, $6, $7 a day, $8 a day, or you pay somebody $250 an hour to work on your hydroly equipment and your diesel equipment and your forklifts. And he does it for almost nothing, nothing. He does it for a cup of coffee a day at Starbucks.

He'll save you. He just cleared all of the trees. on the tree lines around the prisons. That's a $100,000 job. Like, literally, I got a copy of his, his wife sent me a copy of his, his report from his counselors. He'd saved them over a million dollars

in the last, like, four years, they said. The warden loves of everybody who thinks he's, you're saving us tons of money, you're doing great, you're doing great. He gets to drive around in the truck, around the perimeter by himself, he gets everything. but when it came time to releasing him

he didn't get release why would you release a guy that's saving you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year why would you release him he meets the criteria so during this whole thing when this whole thing was going and when they were trying to get him released and they kept denying

him he got denied like I think three times and every time they came up with some other reason he's a he's a you know he's a risk to the public really he's a white collar risk to the public you have him in a camp he's in a fucking camp bro

if I'm there's no fence I can leave any time I want I can say hey honey pick me up on the street jump in the car and drive off so how he's got his custody level is zero like he's got like his you know risk level it's like zero he's at a camp

more than 50% of his time asthmatic obese overweight obese uses the CPAP machine all of the problems he also has diabetes

and don't release him why would they all these other guys got released they were fine most of them didn't even have medical conditions but they served 50% of their time they were nonviolent they got home

so during the course of this whole thing his lawyer filed and said like let's face it if you know the law him being turned down doesn't mean anything. The only way he really has a right to sue is because if you're discriminating against him

because he's Jewish, you know, race, religion, what he's saying, I'm suing because, you know, I'm black. And they said, oh, that's not true. That's not what's happening. He said, really, I want a list of the race of everybody that was released. The BOP is refusing to give them

that list. They're saying, we don't keep tabs on that. What are you talking about you to keep tabs? You know exactly who was released of what color they are. You can't look up an inmate without knowing what color he is.

When I go to look up inmate Finder, if I punch it, you punch it in Matt Cox, it says, there's only three things they want to know. What's his name? What's his race? And what's his sex? That's it. So you know what race these guys are.

I think they're huge fear and what their lawyer is afraid, things they're afraid of, is that when they do that list, that is, it is going to be astronomically disproportionate to the true race that should have been released. It should be at least close to equal. I'll bet you 95% of the people that were released from prison were white.

I have a buddy who writes for Forbes magazine who's been on this whole thing, and he also ordered Freedom of Information, Act. He said they won't give it to him either. And his whole thing is, his name's Walt Pablo. He said, we were talking and he goes, he said, Matt, he said, you know, I've helped like 40 people, 50 people get released. And I said, okay. He said, they weren't all white. I said, really? He said, no, no, two of them were Spanish. Two Spanish guys, all white guys, none, no black guys. he said i have another buddy who got released his name is uh uh we call him zach zach helped something like

10 or 15 people and he said you know what he said out of all the people i helped he said i think only two of the two of them were black guys that got out that actually got it everybody else was white he said so i mean so anyway donovan's you know filing a lawsuit they're fighting they're arguing they're no no but think about it so there's two two things here one they weren't letting out a lot of black guys and two why would you release this guy he's saving you millions millions of dollars you're not going to get another guy like this think about it you're not going to get a guy with that type of skill set who's who can be in a camp and be allowed to drive around and do all these things by himself that's that's rare commodity and it's

worth million why release them like they'll use you they will use you up chew you up and spit you out you know that they don't give a fuck and this is the thing about the bop just about government in general like if people think oh well no i want a big government no the government cares about you let me tell you something when you give the government absolute power they will treat you just like they treat those inmate because they have absolute power absolute power corrupts absolutely and there's no there's there's no repercussions to how they can treat you that they'll treat you however they want to treat you and if you think that you think they won't you're fucking crazy like if the government get too too big which is

already too big this is how they treat you like an inmate you know I mean so I mean you've see that? You're fighting right now. You're only fighting because you're bright enough to fight. Most people aren't. And I actually explained that too. And my lawsuit, I mean,

there were people like one of my cellmates. He really couldn't read. You know, it was sad because his case was so bogus, but he don't know nothing about the law and he can't even really find out unless you know somebody like us who could point things out to tell it because he couldn't read and that's that's the case that's the case for us like i don't again i don't know what you

know or think about r kelly well he's another inmate you know now i know what the public has been programmed to think about him but i was incarcerated with him and on the same unit for a while This guy can't read. I don't want to say he's a tonal dummy because I probably couldn't. I mean, he's a genius when it comes to producing good music. But, I mean, he doesn't know which way to go. He don't know which way to turn. He can't read his case.

Like, he has the first case in history to where he was indicted on a one-man. And RICO, you know, the RICO was really meant for organizations. Yeah, for, for mobs, basically, you know what I mean? So that in itself is, it's just, it's just ironic. And speaking of, like, the cures, I was, I was still incarcerated when William Barr mandated that. Now, I was letter sent to Gilmer, West Virginia. And I don't know if you're familiar with who Terry Flinnery is, but he's known by Southwest Tea.

His brother name is Demetri's Fletnery. He's known as Big Meach. Oh, yeah. 50 Cent recently put out a series about their story. Okay, so now by time I made it to Gilmer, West Virginia, the Southwest T had just left and he left

because he was granted of compassionate release you know based on the CARES Act so you know I went to the law library you know I looked up his case

printed out some things you know basically to use because I had I had been denied twice already for compassionate release but it's like okay if he was granted this and

I know his case way, beared in mind. He was sent this to 30 years for what they call the criminal enterprise. Yeah. C.C. It was a, what is it? CCE. Yes, criminal enterprise. Basically, we're like Rico. Yeah, CCE. So there

was violence and everything on his case. Now, again, my case, it was a drug case, but it was possession of 90 grams which was never even fought on beat but it's non-violent and you know uh one of the criteria is that you came uh be a violent offender so okay i'm not a violent offender uh i medically compromised i have asked one and uh i did a certain amount of my time you know like why was i denied you know what i'm saying and how was he is granted because, I mean, we filed into the exact same things, and he actually has violence

in his case, you know what I mean? So, I mean, yes, they do discriminate against people racially, but I didn't understand that either because I was saying people get granted compassionate release who actually had cases like robbery, you know, so I really just don't understand. This system really don't. So, you know, out of, I want to say, I don't know how many people it is, be honest. I think it's like 10 or 15,000.

Do you know there's only like less than half a dozen guys that got new charges that were released? Less than half of that. Six guys that got new charges. So think about that. You could release, if you could release 10 or 12,000 guys and put them on ankle monitors, and have them go work.

They don't cost you anything. You just save $50,000 a year to incarcerate these guys. Because most people say, oh, it costs about $32,000 a year to incarcerate a federal prisoner. You're missing something. That federal prisoner now doesn't pay income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes. So when you add it all in, they're actually close to $50,000 to incarcerate someone. So, roughly $50,000. Instead, you can have him get out, put him on an ankle monitor, go to work.

He only gets to go to work and come home, go to the grocery store, and go to church and come home. Like, that's it. So you're telling me that you can release 10, 12,000 guys and monitor them. What the fuck do we have of those guys in prison for then? If you can do that with those guys, why are they in prison? Why were they imprisoned to begin with? They're obviously, and now they're all contributing. Now they're all paying taxes.

They're all paying sales tax, property taxes, income taxes, and it's not costing you $32,000 a year. So now what's happening, you're saving $15,000 a year by having them on an ankle monitor. And out of like 10,000 guys, six of them over the course of two years got new charges. I think two dozen of them actually got thrown back in jail. Like they did something like, you know, ran off with their girlfriend and for the weekend, didn't, you know, whatever. You know, they do stupid stuff. They violated. I'm talking about new charges.

A violation is just stupid. That's not a new charge. That's not a criminal charge. It doesn't hurt anybody but the inmate. I'm talking about new charges. Like six guys got new charges. And they were minor charges. These aren't like they murdered somebody.

These are guys like they sold drugs. of their house or something like okay so what and they they got another charge and they got violated and they went back to prison they got an extra two years and that's it so so what are you doing you see what I'm saying like that's a hot that's hundreds of millions like you had 50 you add that up 50,000 times like the 12 or however many thousand guys that got released times two to two three four five years you're saving hundreds of thousands or certain millions of dollars

every single year why are why are they in prison not not even to mention the astronomical length of guys' sentences like the same sentence that you would get in almost any country in Europe you get six months, two years

here you get 10, 15 years and you know this like the only reason that makes sense is money that's it Money in politics. So, I mean, I hear you. Like, I definitely believe the system is extremely, you know, unjust.

But listen, what, do you think of anything else that we didn't touch on or that? We're speaking on the money issues, you know, just in closing, like, what I discovered about the system. Like, you just mentioned the disparity of how much time we get in America versus most other countries. Now, what I did realize is that once we are sentenced, a bed bond is established, which goes on the stock market, basically, and people can invest into that. And a lot of people, you know, a lot of rich, powerful people invest into the prison system that way. And they make money off interest as long as you sit in prison. So if we could, you know, sentence these guys with bid bonds with a 10-year duration versus a two-year duration, then that makes more money for the investors.

you know and i mean it's crazy it it confused a lot of people you know who don't understand but it's definitely based on money and it would be being a rap artist i also want to explain how you know most of the people who you know how their money invested in the the music industry particular hip-hop music you know they own the the major record labels who own the labels that people think are major labels and they are more significantly invested in the prison industry than anything and it it goes hand in hand like if if we could uh if we if we can saturate the market through these artists with music this you know basically influencing

their culture to kill each other and sell drugs then that increases the chances that a lot of people more people will start going to jail and killing because we glorifying murder now we glorifying selling drugs

we glorify robbery this is getting into their heads it's influencing them to want to kill everybody they get into it with It inflores them to want to sell drugs so they can have the biggest chains on to and impress these girls. And so now we have them, you know, on the market. They're involved in the drug trade.

They're killing. And so it's a revolving cycle. Now, you know, we're influencing them to commit crimes. And once they commit crimes, we make money off when they commit crime. and we also making money off of the music that's influenced everybody to commit crime. So I just wanted to close on that note. And again, thanks a lot for having me.

I mean, you're a blessing to a lot more people than you probably are aware of because, you know, the way that the government is set up, you know, we call it the trap in our culture because it's like we trapped into committing crimes like i don't want to justify anything that anyone does including myself but when you grow up in poverty and you look up to rappers who influence you to sell drugs and kill because this this is all you know you your parents are probably not even suitable to raise you properly because they probably either sell drugs themselves or they probably

drug abusers, dolphins, crackheads themselves. So how are they going to guide you out of that lifestyle and keep you from falling into that trap? You know, so, you know, you have good people like, I'm not perfect. I don't think anyone was ever considered perfect other than Jesus, but you have good people who just make such mistakes and then they make such people look like the worst people on the planet you know i mean like i looked in even to you a little bit i see that uh if i'm not mistaken you were uh uh incarcerated yourself for like 55 million dollars of of fraud or something

like that right you know and it's crazy because rather you did that or not you know the people behind the scenes who control the government commit crimes far worse than anything that you ever did that you was ever convicted of and things far more than i was ever convicted for but again you know uh people like you and i are technically uh like blacklisted you know they don't want us to get these this type of message out to the masses so again i salute you for having this platform and thank you for having me and allowing me to tell my story sure no problem i i i i i i appreciate you coming on. Yeah, I used to say the VOP wants me to work at Walmart when I get out. Right? Like that's all they want from you. Work at Walmart. Go get a job at Walmart or

McDonald's. That's all they want. They don't want to see you get out and do something. And I don't want that. And I, for my deal with it, I just had a hearing to get off papers earlier. And she said, you need to work at 9 to 5. She's not satisfied with my proof of income. And And this is the only reason why she denied me. I don't have any violations, but they denied me because proof of income. Well, your book world piece doesn't show that you were occupied. Your music streams doesn't show that you were occupied the events. And I'm explaining to her, look, I, you know, you want me to work eight hours a day,

but sometimes I work 12 hours a day writing books or writing songs or being in the studio. but you want me to work for Walmart or McDonald's. And not because I'm working for myself, you're not satisfied with it. Wow. No, even if you're making more money doing, they don't want that. I don't think they watch it.

I just don't see them wanting people to be successful when they get out. They say they do because it sounds good, but they don't do anything to help encourage that. What they help encourage is for you to go get a job at Walmart or Amazon or go work at FedEx or go work it. Yeah, that's what they want you to do. Work 60, 70 hours a week. That and be, you know, work from nine until six or seven, go home, go to sleep, watch Netflix,

go to bed, wake up the next morning, do it again. That's what we want. This is Matt Cox and I appreciate you guys checking out the video. And if you like the video, do be a favor. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified videos like this. Also, please share the video. and leave me a comment in the comment section. It really does help.

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