Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Wrongfully Arrested, Corrupt Cops, & a $10M Lawsuit | Ronnie Bo

Episode Date: September 30, 2023

Wrongfully Arrested, Corrupt Cops, & a $10M Lawsuit | Ronnie Bo

I even was convicted, you know, for a crowd that I didn't commit, and I took a plea. And there's reasons why, you know, it's a lot of innocent people who have been coercioned to taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that there's probably, you might have been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do. But if you take a plea, you might get five years or, you know. This system is wicked and very corrupt. I was placed in shackles and cups. They cut off my clothes, stripped me naked, and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that.

With shackles and cuffs on, no clothes for over 24 hours. They wanted me to die. They probably thought I was going to die because of that. They will use you up, chew you up, and spit you out. You know that. They don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general. Like, if people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government.

No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmates. Because they have absolute power. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And there's no, there's, there's no repercussions to how they can treat you. Hey, this is Matt Cox. I'm going to be interviewing Ronnie Bo. He is a former drug dealer, wrongfully incarcerated, sued the police, I think two or three different times. And he is currently a book author and rapper.

should be a super interesting interview so check it out let's go back and start from the beginning you know like just like we were born where in milwaukee yeah uh north side of milwaukee wisconsin the uh 53206 area to be exact and i mentioned the zip call because there was a a movie uh there was a release about three or four years ago about the 53206 area because uh according to the researchers in that movie that was listed as the highest crime right area in America at the time okay um so that's you were raised you were born there raised there yeah born born there raised there uh outside of traveling in and being a prison a bunch of times you know that's that's been in my environment most of my life.

So did your parents have several kids? I mean, were they your brother, sisters? Well, unfortunately, you know, my mother only had two boys, which my older brother and I, and he got killed in 2016 from a federal gunshot one. So I'm the only child now, but, yeah, it was just me and him growing up until, you know, the day that he was a kid. All right. What did your mom do for a living?

A great typical black mom in poverty, nine or five. She actually worked at Walgreens when I was young and all of her jobs, having done. been much greater than Walgreens. I mean, recently she worked for Amazon. Yeah, just that's about it. That's all I could say as far as her employment. Okay. Your dad was he in your life?

Barely, I mean, my mom and my dad stayed together until I was probably about eight years old. and though they broke up, he left, and he wasn't a part of my life since that point. So I guess it's safe to say that I grew up without a father figure. And you went to school, you know, in the area? Like, how did that go? Were you a good student? Did you? Yeah, well, actually, the school, the elementary school that I went to called the Folly.

It was actually directly right across the street from the, uh, the house that I grew up in. And, uh, I mean, I did pretty well at school, you know, outside of having, you know, behavior issues. And, I mean, I guess there's many reasons why I was acting up. But as far as, you know, grades, when I wanted to comply and pay attention and be a good student, I was able, you know, to get good grades. But, uh, I kind of dropped out.

early high school, and then I went to juvenile prison my freshman year, and I ended up finishing school with the, with, it's called a H-S-ED, you know, it's, it's, it's worth more than GED, which is more common. And, uh, yeah, I finished that within months, so I, I, I actually finished school in juvenile prison. Why did you, how'd you end up in Jubey? Well, called a drug case. It wasn't, that wasn't even my, my first case, you know, I was pretty bad as a juvenile delinquent. So I actually have more felons as a juvenile than I do as an adult. You know, I was just, most of the cases were either gone related or drug related, but more so, drug related.

Well, how did that, how did that get started? Like, how did you start selling drugs? well fortunately you know just being raised in poverty uh my mom wasn't able to provide for me and my brother uh sufficiently i would say and you know there were kids at the school that i would go to oh that i was going to who would you know kind of like ridiculed me because i wasn't fresh enough you know i didn't have the the brands of clothing that they wore and uh you know that started to bother me i didn't have the video games i wanted so at the early age i actually started selling drugs when i was 11 years old really just for school clothes and

video games no things of that nature okay um well so how long i mean and then you ended up you said you ended up catching a case yes uh my first case was actually She erected his endangerment. I shot up a residence home. A guy has sold me a cell phone back then when cell phones were just becoming popular. He told me there were like 120 minutes on phone. And I had made like one too many phone call and it was done. And, you know, he didn't want to give me my money back.

He was running and hired him from you. So, you know, just being a young wild child, I took that approach and got that infuriated over the incident to where I wanted to cause him so very serious harm. He won't come outside. So I just shot up the home. Okay. What did you shoot up with? is like a 22 is it an AK 47 like ironically and this is documented but ironically it was the shotgun and I was I was a small kid so man I'm still small now so it that kind of

helped me because you know while fighting the case my attorney was basically saying he he too big to carry a shotgun and shoot one and so I actually I actually beat the record's endangerment and it was only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon by a child because the only real proof of evidence they had is that my finger pressure was on a gun okay where'd you get the gun oh how I even though the statute of limitations are I don't want to be telling nobody was all right um so So how did you end up in Juby, though? That wasn't the case, you said, right?

Or was it? Well, I did go to Juby for that, but they released me on a house arrest for that. All he said about a week or two before I was released, and then I was only charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, which wasn't a serious crime, which definitely wasn't a series of crime, as reckless endangerment, the allegations of me actually shooting his gun into a resident home. So the case was kind of petty. They gave me probation.

And then while on probation, I caught a case for delivery of a controlled substance. I sold drugs to undercover cop. And I actually didn't sell the drugs to him directly. A friend of mine lied to me and told me if they knew this person, they was trying to make a couple dollars off of the train. transaction. So I gave the droves to a friend, and he served the undercover cop and brought me the money back. And by the time he brought me the money back, the police just came from out of nowhere caught me in arresting. And that's, that's, that was around the time I, I went to jail

as a, when I, during my freshman year. And that's, I did a little bit of time for that. and that's when you got your high school to fall on yeah so i mean obviously you know you get out when did you get out i got out about yeah i got out uh be exact it was april of 2004 okay and so you went you got a job at the bank and now that's you know you're still working there and everything's fine and you did it the right thing and now you're a mortgage broker and now? Yeah, I wish I'd definitely have plans of doing such things but unfortunately the day after I was released

I started back selling drugs. You know, as a juvenile, it's like you don't have the same conscience as especially when you don't have, he is it's like, you know, you were locked. up around a bunch of other kids who talked about doing the same things when they got out so it wasn't like i did time and thought well look it's time to change my life you know i need to do this and that i was still in those young and dumb stages to where it's like well you know i got off on this i'm out now i need some money i this is this the only way i know of making

money and I need some quick money so it's what I'm going to go back to doing basically that was my state of mind at the time so how long did that go on until until you got busted again or actually I actually got busted again a year after in 2005 and I actually caught three cases that year well Two of them I was really Frangley and even back then I was being harassed by

the police but one of them I was actually I was actually guilty I bailed out on the first two and then the last time I was like well I knew I would have to sit eventually anyway I knew that I would be convicted

so it was like I might as well sit and get this time out the way the third time and two of those cases were drug cases and the third case was possession of a firearm and the crazy thing about that is I was always told like as a juvenile the juvenile felons wouldn't affect me in my adult life but I was charged as a felon with a firearm based upon my juvenile felon so I started realizing that injustice of the system even back in because that was unlawful. Your lawyer didn't fight that? He just said, oh yeah, that's the way it is?

Yeah, I mean, he actually admitted that they wasn't supposed to be able to do it, but you know, they don't really, that's another thing. I realize these lawyers, they, it's really

about money, you know, and I understand that. It's not really about, you know, defending the civil rights and constitutional rights of your client for them. It's all about just money. You know, if they could make more money getting you off, they might try to get you off. But if they could make the same money or more by, you know,

getting you a deal or whatever, then that's what they're going to do. Right. So, I mean, what happened after that? you how long did you get on that one uh well two a part of my plea deal was to drop two of the cases and to the plea to one and i still unfortunately was sentenced to a a total of nine years the way that the sentence structured though was three and six out so i did three years straight and got out on paper i managed to stay out on a parole or whatever for about a good two years and then i didn't even catch another case after that

until my fed case but i went back for uh for a parole violation uh my while the uh stipulations of my parole was revoked because of uh a parole violation my son's mother son's mother called my probation officer and said that I'm still selling drugs she lied said it was a bunch of drugs in the house by time they came there was no drugs there and then while I was locked up on hold for that I was they they have a phone call with basically me cussing around after I found out that she was the one he called and said I had drugs so they actually gave me intimidating witness for that and you know i was basically threatening i was upset telling their uh i'm gonna smack the hell out of her you know when i his house the fall call made me seem like a real bad guy even though no

drugs was filed they uh gave me a violation for intimidating witness and the crazy thing about that is i did more time that i had ever done in my life for uh parole violation they revoked my parole for four years so i did four years straight after that just just off now again you did three and then another four and this is all state yeah what's going on youtube ardap dan here federal prison time consulting hope you guys are all having a great day if you're seeing and hearing this right now that means you're watching Matt Cox on Inside True Crime. At the end of Matt's video, there will be a link in the description where you can book a free consultation with yours truly, Ardap Dan, where we can discuss

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more is by clicking on the link, booking your free consultation today. All right, guys, see you soon at the end of the video. Peace. I'm out of here. Back to you, Matt. That's horrible, bro. Yeah, that was that was horrible and that was the worst time of my life because it's different when you touch your case and it's like you know you're guilty it's like i i deserve it sick but when it's something petty like that and it's like wow y'all got a call about drugs no drugs was fun so technically i felt like i should have been out but y'all still still giving me four years for parole violations based on on a call and i thought i had the right to be upset if somebody was to lie in and make such allegations about me to jeopardize my freedom.

But, you know, the system works how it works. Why did she call? Why did she call? Like, why would? We were having a relationship problems. And in Milwaukee, it's just the culture here. You know, like, a lot of black men are on probation. We cheat.

We mess. up you know some of some of us do go as far as putting our hands all females that's not my thing i'm totally against that but it's like they use that as a way to blackmail you and say well i'll call your p.o you know you could get into argument or you could be cheated or wherever and it's like i'm gonna call you p.o that's how they blackmail us out here and it's very typical out here so you know she used that against me and she actually went and followed through with with her thoughts of uh getting back at me through of jeopardizing my freedom so uh man it's it's just a crazy story even the memory's kind of upset he again just thinking about it so you

you did four more years but this time you were you weren't in a juvenile facility so when you got out this time i mean were you still thinking the same way no not really because see a part of the reason why my son's mother did it that like she was insecure about who i was becoming this is around the time of my life i was taking my career as a rap artist series and i was in the source magazine which was considered at the time as it's like the hip hop bible you know a lot of people in the rocking country genre they they look up to the rolling stone magazine as as a you know a major accomplishment to be in and that's what the source magazine was to the hip hop culture at the time i was there i was on i was reviewed on the top 40 charts at the time for uh drake little Wayne still in one of my songs so I was becoming big off all of that type of publicity and she felt like you know I had options and although my heart was with her she just felt like

you know being at my show seeing the attention I get from other females she did like how I interacted with other females because yeah I seen them as my fan you know I gave them hugs I could tell there some of them were like actually interesting in me and to be honest sometimes I would be interested in them as well and she could see that so with me not being around sometimes her mind is automatically all he out doing this he out doing that you know I could be taking pictures with with a fan and she might see the picture and think oh that's his girlfriend so we start having problems in our relationship because of just based based on that and that led to a lot of arguments sometimes things did get physical you know

look i don't believe in beating the woman so i never actually really like i heard her put my hands on it but sometimes you know i have to you know grab her up and and tell her calm down chill out stop swinging at me stuff stuff that that type of stuff but yeah then it led to that to where it's like, well, I know if I get them locked up, then maybe I won't have to worry about him cheating, or maybe these girls won't like him so much if he was in jail. But, yeah, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's stick around. Yeah, that's that's that's what's easy. Because she was the one putting money on the fall of the sending me books to read.

actually putting money on my books for me to order a commissary. So she was, she was, she was there. And that's another thing. Like, while I was doing time, she, she sent me a lot of books about business, about not just the music business, but, you know, other businesses that I was interested in. And I had made up my mind during that time, during that four years, that this is how I'm going to make money for now. You know, I've been selling drugs since I was a kid.

That's too risky. I felt like it was an immature hustle for me, you know, because I really, you know, grew up doing that. And I felt like it's like, for me, it's like for the young and dumb, but when you have sense and you know how to make money off books or music or real estate, It's like, it's kind of childish to even want to take that risk, especially if you have kids that are depending on you, you know, like I had a son by then, so I didn't want him to grow up and go through the things that I had to go through.

So it's like, I got to play. I have to put this lifestyle to the side and start, you know, developing into this area, you know. Right. Well, so then you basically get out after four years. You've got kind of a different mindset. So what was, what was your plan? Well, while incarcerated, I was studying credit systems, and I was actually able to start building my credit there.

you know I will have my little son's mother to apply for certain things going out you for credit report.com send me to copy my credit report and you know order this book so I can know how to add this trade line how to build credit so that was that was a major part of my plans to you know establish credit so when I get to the point I want to buy a home whether it's to read it out or flip it or live in you know you know credit comes in handy for things like that also if I wanted to take out a loan to invest it to my music career or my career as a book author you know so I could execute a marketing plan or whatever it's like I won't have to

raise money in the street you buy sell the drugs to do it you know now I I built credit, so now I have to take out a business loan or whatever and do everything the right way. So, you know, I was, I was definitely progressing towards those plans. All right. So what's the next, what's the next thing that happened? What year is this, by the way? Well, I was incarcerated from 2010 until 2014, and in between that time, I actually published my first book in 2012 from prison. Okay.

That, like, for the first couple months, it seemed to be a success, but my main market was inmates. know, I seen how much books sold in prison. Everybody, you know, read books, being in the streets. I've never seen nobody read a book on the street, you know what I mean? But locked up, everybody was reading books. So it was like, okay, there's a market for this. And I've seen the type of books that they were reading. So I wrote a book on certain subjects, you know, to appeal to the urban culture.

and the book was actually banned while I was in prison. You know, the prison staff, the security director, they thought that I was like some type of gang leader. And they confiscated in my book. They read it. They said that I was teaching gang literature. They said that I was recruiting gangster disciples for Larry Hoover like something like totally outrageous now I think of that that should be

in one of the articles that I sent you but um you know that that kind of like like held back the the success of that book because now it's like wow so my book is banned by my targeted market so now who do I sell the book to now you know what I mean right well I'm I wrote i published another book by time i got out it was a women's empowerment book title value the vagina so i was uh i was uh working on my market and planning for that when i got out i was building credit i didn't like professionally start a credit business book i was making income on the size by helping people with a credit uh you know doing simple things like disputes, adding trade lines, teaching them where to go to get along what the creditors look

for. So I was making money off. The credit, I was making money off book sales. I was doing events, you know, as a rap artist, you know, just regular like shows, performances, concerts. So that was my source of income at the time, like after my release from prison in 2000. 14 um so okay so when did you how long did this go on until the what either near next until something changed or you got arrested or

so I'm sure it's a crazy story it's a it's a hell of story now uh while while I was incarcerated uh this guy i don't even know if i should say his name because he he turned out to be the informant in my fed case and i i put out a song like around the time that i was arrested and bailed out

i put out a song called whack the rats where i mentioned him by nicknick and and two or three days later i had a u.s. martial warrant out based on things i said in the song about him so just to rewind us back to you know the root of the problem basically uh when while i was doing time you know i had already met the guy i know him he was he had a local magazine out that was doing him very well in the city so by time i got locked up you know i was emerging as a was rap artists so i was publishing articles and ads in his magazine so we were we were doing business together even while i was uh incarcerated by time i got released from prison you know he was a club owner and the club wasn't doing so well he knew that i was a promoter he knew he knew me

from doing successful events so we uh we went into business that was like i I said one of my sources of income was doing an event. So he hired me as a club promoter for his club. So we started doing business on that area. Now, behind the scenes, I guess he was involved in illegal drug activity, street activity, because the feds had arrested him. And this was during the time we were doing business together, they arrested him for a drug conspiracy.

he in like 15 other people and they had him as the leader now it was a guy who he had introduced me to at one of my events a guy that was based in chicago who was listed in our indictment as his supplier now he introduced me to this guy you know the guy wanted to meet me because i had an organization called bow girls and they were my promoters you know basically i would get a digital flyer made takes it to them they posted on their social media and this this is how all my events sold out so i had 90 bo girls and but uh they assumed that i was a pimp because i had all these girls calling themselves bo girls promote my events and my books and things of that nature So this guy that I was introduced to, just so I don't confuse the audience again, the magazine publisher introduced me to a friend of his who was based in Chicago, who was later listed in the indictment as the supplier of the guy who owned the magazine.

So when the guy who owned a magazine got arrested, the feds wanted to. the feds wanted him to set some people up and work on some people so the target was the guy that I was introduced to in Chicago he was supposed to be the supplier so I developed the relationship with this guy we became cool you know he had other business endeavors he also he wanted to get off and take concert promotion so he was basically saying I wasn't better to you i will i will pay to bring guys like little dirt uh to your events and we can split the money like this you just a promoter i'm the investor so uh you know we got cool we started doing business like that so i don't know if my uh so-called friend who introduced me to this guy was jealous

of our business bond or whatever but he later told the feds you know the feds actually him do he know anybody else that this guy is supplying and he told him that he supplies me so just how the feds got on me they started watching me from there they were harassing me well i'm been stopped plenty times they came in certain houses no drugs were i were ever found and i was being harassed for like a year from this uh so did you know why or did you have any Any inkling as to that this guy had put, put the feds on to you? Were you just like, I have no idea what's going on? Absolutely.

At first, you know, I do have a bad criminal history. So at first, I just speculated that maybe they assumed, well, by seeing me become successful in other areas, maybe they thought that my money was coming from the streets to you. So that's what I assumed. I didn't speculate that no particular person or anything had put them on me. I just thought, well, they probably see me growing and developing as something else. Like, I got into political affair.

There was a local politician by the name Mike McGee. Me and him had put out a documentary together. So it was just a lot going on. And I thought maybe they targeted and harassed me because of the other. this or that i i really didn't even assume that this guy had put the feds on already but uh it had it had got out of hand like they was asking me to actually be in for when they kept uh saying things like well we know that you are uh you know certain drug dealers we maybe you're not in the streets but we know you know you know

you could help us out and we want you to be an informant for us and when i seen that they was trying to make me be an informant i actually had sued them you know and the crazy thing about this too is that it's like before i sued them myself because i sued them without a attorney who was pro se but i was i was telling a lot of attorneys about what was going on and they They didn't want anything to do with it, you know. So I actually had to sue myself. And two weeks after I sued, I was indicted as a member of a drug trafficking organization based in Chicago. And according to them, the guy that I was introduced to by the guy who owned his magazine was allegedly my supplier.

so by time the paperwork came out i seen i saw who the informant was and i was shocked like wow dude uh you know put the feds on me i i was aware of what everything that was alleged and you know it was it's a very crazy very crazy case uh if anybody are in It's interested. The case number of the lawsuit is 17 CV-1192. That one is based in the Eastern District of Wisconsin. That's the lawsuit I filed against DEA agent Timothy P. Gray. I later, I can't say that I won because winning is going to trial and being rewarded a certain amount of money, but they did settle.

which you know proves that there were there were there was married in the case right well i don't want to get too far off until you know the end results i think that's where i'm going but it was a lot of things that that happened in between that before i actually you know settled the case i even was convicted you know for a crime that i didn't commit and i took a plea and there's reasons why You know, it's a lot of innocent people who've been coercioning to taking a plea for, you know, a mitigated sentence that there's probably, you might have been threatened with doing life in prison for something you didn't do. But if you take a plea, you might get five years. Right. You know, this system is wicked and very corrupt.

So you were indicted. did they arrest they came and arrested you yeah uh you bond out huh were you able to bond out yeah eventually like even prior to the arrest like they wasn't just harassed me but they was harassing uh this lady who was my ex-girlfriend at the time and one time they arrested her and they told her that uh they found 90 grams of one in her purse and that they knew it was mine i believe that they actually planted the drugs on her but she actually she she she didn't even do any time for that you know she later later on and then the indictment you know that's threatening her with time and and then she later basically

said that the drugs were mine and that i had been uh Basically, I've basically been using her to sell my drugs for me, basically, you know, just to sum it up. And a lot of her statements were obvious lies, you know, she contradicted herself a bunch of times in her statements, you know, just to try to get herself out of it. And, you know, body gracious guy, you know, my lawyer and I was able to point out all the contradictions in her statements. So they couldn't really use the thing. things that she said against you know and uh when they indicted me they actually separated the cases i had i had a case based here in wisconsin and i and then the actual fed case was based in uh chicago in the northern district of illinois and the the case that could have really put me

away for for a long time was based in wisconsin that's where i was saying i was a member of this drug trafficking organization and uh that you know the informant the guy who all this magazine was saying that i had a worker that i used to use to you know basically serve him drugs so he was lying and saying that i was serving him drugs too and there was one particular incident where he said that i served him 50 grams of heroin and he named a guy as my worker the guy that he named even admitted that he never met me that he doesn't know me and that uh he was never working for me uh i even had my lawyer hire a voice analyst specialist because they said they had a phone call to prove that i was serving as guy drugs and the voice

out of the specialist results came back that the fall cause were definitely not me so I beat that case that case could have put me away for about four years they tried to give me to take a plea for 10 years

I wouldn't take the plea I definitely knew that I wasn't guilty the day of trial they actually dismissed the case after basically it was confirmed that the person on these calls wasn't me and that the guy who they said was my worker admitted that he doesn't know me you know they dismissed the case at trial so then

I had to deal with the case based in Chicago where they said that there's 90 grams of heroin was found in my girlfriend's purse and then she later said it was mine so my attorney was basically like, well, you got the main, the big case out of the way, and you already sent a certain amount of time. And this, the guidelines, according to the guidelines, you're already facing about 40 months, 41 months for this. So if you take a plea, you'd be out in another couple months. So even though I knew I wasn't guilty of the other case, I mean, he was right. I had already set time for a case I didn't do. The lady, who was my ex-girlfriend, was willing to testify and basically lied and say that I had her selling drugs and that the 90 grams of heroin was lying.

And he just felt like it wasn't worth the risk of going to trial because if I would have went to trial, I probably would have did about 20 years for that. But with the plea, you know, basically just pleading to the guidelines, which was only about 41 months. It's like, okay, well, it's not worth rolling the dice, you know, basically. I could take this plea and be back home to my family in a couple months, so I took the plea. Okay. So, and then you got out. Was the lawsuit still going, or had you already settled the lawsuit? Yeah, the lawsuit was, again, filed?

before the whole indictment. So I forgot what they, the attorney for the DEA, who I was showing, they filed something. I forgot exactly what it was called, but it basically put my lawsuit on hold until my indictment was overweight. So once I was convicted on the indictment, and that was out, then I was able to,

get the lawsuit back going and it's it's it's a very crazy story bro like uh before before i took the plea uh as i said the lawsuit was already going you know but before i took the plea uh the evidence had not surface yet that the uh the officer the d-yate officer tim gray you know he he was later he was later arrested himself you know for telling a fellow officer to frame someone else in a criminal case so his fellow officer went back and told on him and the crazy thing is this all happened before I took the plea but it didn't surface into my

indictment until like a year later. You know, my case was held back because of the coronavirus pandemic and all that. So by time a citizen had approached you know, documentation

has surfaced that this office, this DEA officer Tim Gray had not only framed me and fabricated evidence against me to indict me, but he had done this on other occasions and one of his own officers, one of his own fellow officers had came forth and said, yeah, he asked me to frame someone in the case. So then it was more obvious that the claims that I had made and my lawsuit were likely

to be true. So by time I got out, I had the documents from the Department of Justice that showed that basically it was proven that he had fabricated evidence against other people and framed other innocent people in cases so I used that you know to basically solidify my lawsuit against him you would use that to help kind of a bolster your case all the information that came out with with the officer that he had he was obviously willing to set people up. So you use that to bolster your case, and then what? They took a, you took up, I mean, they settled?

Yeah, they start offering me deals once I filed the evidence into my lawsuit that basically proved that this guy was fabricating evidence against others. It strengthened my lawsuit. So once I started filing such evidence into my case, you know, his attorney. started reaching out to me for a settlement conferences and things of that nature you know i was i was sending uh i was sending certain documentation to uh certain politicians i sent it to a congress i sent it to the uh the senate uh people who were supposedly uh overseeing uh You know, cases of government and justice and corruption, police misconduct.

And so once they basically saw the approach that I was taking in in the direction I was going with the case, you know, they didn't want that out to the public. And that's why it's an honor to be on your platform because, like, I was reaching out to, you know, mainstream news media. know, places like Time Magazine, Chicago, Sun-Times, other mainstream news platforms, and no one would cover this, you know, it's like the story would have never been told because they try to cover up similar instances of injustice, you know, especially when it comes down to federal aid, they'll be more likely to reveal what the local police officer is doing, you know, but they won't be so quick to expose the actual federal agent because that actually exposes the federal government. And another thing about the lawsuit

is that even with the evidence, no attorney was willing to take my case as if the case didn't have no mirror. And some of them was even admitting that they were, they were not willing to go up against the government, a government agent. You know, according to them, it was bad for their career. So I was forced to study the law and learn the law because no lawyer would have represented me. And some even made it seem like I didn't have no merit. But if I didn't have no mirror,

the case would have never even been settled. And they had been dismissed years ahead of time. Like, they were trying to dismiss the case for about four years. You know, the case against the DEA was filed in 2017, and it was settled in 2022 last year. So that case extended for five years, and if it didn't have no merit or if they could have deemed it a frivolous case, it would have been dismissed a long time ago, probably immediately after I filed. But that just shows the type of, you know, people who want to. work behind mainstream media. It also shows the type of people who, you know, are supposed to defend the civil

rights of the citizens here in America. You know, they're not willing to really defend us against government corruption. So if we don't study this for ourselves, you know, they will be allowed to get away with almost anything. And then another thing, like, it's a blessing that platform. such as yours are started to emerge because through platforms like yours

the truth could get out to the public about all the corruption that the government keeps in the dark. Otherwise, mainstream media would have never covered anything like this where an actual federal agent is exposed and is documentation

to prove this. You know, you can't even say that my claims are allegations anymore because it has all been proven is the fact that this DEA agent, Timothy P. Gray, to be exact,

fabricated evidence against me and framed me as a member of a drug trafficking organization. And he did it with malicious intent. And the legal term for this is vindictive prosecution and malicious prosecution.

Because he framed me in a criminal case as a member of a drug trafficking in the organization after many attempts to coerce me to be an informant. And once I sued, because I felt like he was trying to put my life in danger by trying to force me to be informed it, you know, two weeks after I sued him for my allegations against him, that he brings forth all of these boys' allegations against me, you know, and frame me in the case.

So, I mean, I'm grateful to be on this platform. It's an honor. And not just for me, but I think this will open the doors for many people like me. You know, all colors, all races, because this is not just happening to blacks in America, maybe more so blacks are targeting. But I was locked up with a guy named Alpin Wilwittenden, an older white man. and uh he was he was uh one of the top fund managers in the world you know he was managing billions of dollars on stock market and uh he had some legal issues with uh goldman sacks i believe they're called and a few other major organizations and uh as soon as he was uh attempted to file

complaints about the things that he was going through you know they framed him in a case and said that he was basically still money from his investors and other powerful people in the stock market. So, I mean, I'm pretty sure this interview might even reach him and he may want to tell this story next. So, I mean, I'll salute you, you know, for what you're doing. I appreciate it. So what was the next?

So what happened? So they settled the case with you. They came to you just before trial, right? Was this the one? And then they offered you something, and you were like, okay, I'll take it because, you know, like something's better than nothing. Well, at first offer was 10,000.

And, you know, most people probably wouldn't even take that, you know, after fighting this for so long. And, you know, everyone is basically, in despair about it, like my family, friends, even attorneys, was basically saying that I'm wasting my time with going up against the government. They basically said, you're not going to win, you're wasting your time. You're not going to get anywhere with this, you know. And so even though the $10,000 offer was a little or nothing,

it indicated that, okay, I have a case. and by this offer it's you know it shows it okay i have a case so i didn't jump on the offer it actually made me go a little harder because it's now now it's like you know when a shark smell blood you know you you go in for the keel and it's like okay i smell blood now y'all offer me some money so this is y'all way of saying we got to uh we got to try to you know get him off the way before this goal is to trial because if this goal is a trial he may be awarded 10 million you know what I mean right and uh yeah I actually I actually had two lawsuits against the same uh agent Tim Gray because I sued him before he indicted me and then after I beat the case where he

was where they was saying this guy was my worker you know it showed that it showed false imprisonment because I had already said about a year in prison on that case along. So once that case was dismissed, then I sued them again for false imprisonment. So by time they settled, they basically brought both lawsuits together and said, okay, we'll settle if you will agree to dismiss both these lawsuits against D.E.A. Timothy P. Greyer. and at this point that he's also been

implicated in in corruption charges where he's talking about it's been proven that he's talking about framing people yeah they don't want they don't want that coming up in court yeah one of his officers

actually had him on body cam footage where he's asking him the other officer hey uh plant this on this guy or say you found something on him or say he did this i i forgot exactly what he was trying to frame the civilian into but he was asking this other officer to do it and so the other officer was basically like no you're crazy i'm not doing it he reported him and he gave up the body cam footage to prove that you know tim gray had actually really solicited him to french so on a criminal case

So then other officers start coming forward and basically saying, yeah, this is him. This is what he know for doing for doing. You know, he framed this person or he fabricated evidence against this person. So now it's like, like, wow, you know, all of this came out in the midst of my lawsuit. I wish it would have came out in the midst of my criminal case before I took the plea because I believed that that would have been forced to dismiss the criminal case. such evidence would have surfaced prior to me

taken the plea. Right. So, after that lawsuit was settled, what happened then? Because you have another lawsuit. There were those two lawsuits and there was a third lawsuit. Absolutely. Now, the third lawsuit is the one that's still pending. And this lawsuit is against the federal

Bureau of Prisons. Now, while I was in custody and MCC Chicago, which is a federal holding facility. You know, unfortunately, it was during the time of the coronavirus

pandemic. So, I mean, I don't even have no experiences of what you guys were going through in the public because I was incarcerated during that whole time, but I mean, I hear that it was bad out here for you.

all so you can just imagine what inmates went through in prison and you know if anyone can't imagine you know what they were doing you know to be specific they made it to where we couldn't order commissary and you know they barely feed you in prison so uh we were starving they they wouldn't let us out just for shower we was on we was placed on 24 hour lockdown you know but because of the pandemic, you know, the quarantine. So they wouldn't let us out for showers. They wouldn't let us make any fine calls. We couldn't call our mother, wife, children, attorney,

even attorneys, we weren't able to call. And there were people dying. And, you know, if you listen, there was a recent fall call that came out from R. Kelly. it was recently publicized on certain YouTube channels. However, the recordings took place during the incidents from my lawsuit. And he was crying on the call. He was saying the animals are treated better than this. I'm glad that someone like him, you know, I mean, I wouldn't wish that experience on no one,

But it's good that someone like him who's always in the media, you know, to make a call like that because it shines light on what they were doing to the entire inmate population, which I believe is about 1.2 million individuals, you know, but had it been the ordinary inmate who nobody knows, you know, such incidents probably would have stayed in the dark. but now that Artelli has a public a phone call that has been publicized now I could use his phone call to draw attention to what they were doing not just to me but the other you know hundreds of thousands of inmates who experienced though the inhumane conditions of being incarcerated during a COVID pandemic you know because our Kelly and I were actually incarcerated in the same federal holding facility at the time and we were even on the same unit

for a period of time. So with me filing this in my lawsuit and indicating you know the inhumane conditions the inadequate medical care that you know was being received now it's like okay

now I could shine the light on not just what they did to me again because in my particular incident you know I have experiences that were worse than what they were doing to just inmates in general you know I had an incident where I refused to quarantine with another inmate who was a 85 year old medically compromised inmate. He was suffering from pre-existing medical conditions and

the coronavirus is basically killing him. They wanted me to quarantine with him. It didn't make any sense. You know, the health administrator had just advised us against quarantining with any inmates. So when I refused to go into the cell

with him, I was placed in shackles and cups. They cut off my clothes, me naked and threw me inside of a cold prison cell with shackles and cuffs on and left me in there just like that with shackles and cuffs on no clothes for over 24 hours you know and uh and they did it at a time where they knew like i was basically dying myself you know i had just had suffered a near fatal asthma attack the asthma attack prior to that where i was left unconscious And if it wasn't for the other inmates banging on doors saying somebody helped him, he died,

they would have just left me like that without no medical cure. And they did this days later to where they put me in shackles and cuffs and stripped me negative, put me in a cold seal. They literally did this days after I had nearly died from COVID-19. So, I mean, that's what the lawsuit was, was bad. based upon and you know I believe were Art Kelly stagnant publicly that uh you know animals are treated better than that it shows that my clients weren't just my claims you know someone else felt like that and he thought he was he was gonna die in there you

know and I felt I was gonna say they don't care that like they don't care about the inmates We used to joke that the, you know, the single largest contributor to, you know, deaths in Coleman, it was medical. I mean, medical, we got other guys going to medical and getting the wrong medication or not being given their medication. And there was a guy who got off the bus one time who was asthmatic. And you know how they get you off the bus like just before count, right? get out of like R&D and then like you have to go to count or you know like four o'clock close to four o'clock so he goes in immediately and says hey look look I need my uh my inhaler you know like it's in medical and and they're like yeah right after count right after count he's like no man

I need it now like I'm extremely asthmatic and they were like bro they're like you know then immediately they're like you know they do the whole intimidation thing you know getting the cell right now or you know you're going to get thrown in the chew and it so he's like and they're like look we'll get it for you but this is you you don't run nothing here to you he goes and gets to the cell of course they count you at four but it's not till like 420 430 till they're completely done but then he goes up to the hey goes up to the CEO hey man i need my stuff like you we'll get to it when we get to it well listen by it's after 5 530 medical's gone so by the time he the the cop comes out he says oh i called down there but they're already gone you have to wait till tomorrow

He's like, bro, what if something happens? You'll be fine. A dude died that night. He had an asthma attack. He'd been on the bust. He was extremely, you know, a lot of anxiety, you know, which isn't good. And he had an asthma attack in the middle of the fucking night and he died. Wow.

They didn't give a shit. That would go of fun. Or is there, did he lost some services, uh, dude to that? I don't know, because you know what's so funny. You know what they always do. They always grab a. and called medical and then they come in with a stretcher and they put you on a stretcher and then they call the ambulance and then they say he died on the way to the hospital

and ever died there they always died on the way to the hospital we had another guy we had a guy that went into medical one time he went in on like a a thursday complained about his chest pain they said we got to come back tomorrow they came back on friday and said i need to see the doctor they said you can see him on Monday right you know he filled out the form they said no you don't understand I got chest pains they got chest pains they said yeah Monday you come back Monday so that night well not that day was in the middle of day he came walk he came walking in and his name was Kiki and he fell boom right in front of my in front of myself dead had a massive hard day in his 30s like in his mid 30s but he was he was extremely overweight

black guy overweight um you know chest pains died and uh that was it like oh they they they immediately they called medical medical came in they put him on a stretcher i'm telling you right now the man was dead in front of my right in front of myself so they said later it came out he died on his way to the hospital that man was dead before he hit the ground he didn't move not one bit they came and they did the whole you know boom on his chest and they lifted him up and it took four people to get him outside and listen he was done bro he was done he wasn't alive so anyway

yeah they'll they'll kill you they don't they're not gonna help you and see my family thought that I was exaggerating when you know I would call or email them and explain to them what was going on with not just me but other inmates you know and like like you said they they will ignore your medical condition your medical conditions no matter how bad they are like before i had the asthma attack bro like i was i was complaining i couldn't really couldn't breathe and i didn't know this was this was before uh i actually was diagnosed with covid you know when i when i had by time i had the asthma attack

Like, I had been complaining for days about not being able to breathe about how I need mine and Hitler. So after the incident where I passed out, I was literally probably unconscious for about 30 minutes. And they really just left me there. It took for inmates to really start like banging and yelling and yelling, look, somebody do something. He probably did. Like, what is y'all doing? So they came and, you know, provided me a little medical treatment. at least to get me back conscious.

But that was it. But the next day, they gave me a COVID test. And it just so happened, I test positive for COVID. So it wasn't just that my asthma was so bad, bother me. But I had asthma and I had COVID, which is not a good combination. This is actually a very deadly combination. So when they realized this, you know, Of course, I kept filing complaints.

I actually submitted that into my lawsuit. And then this was days later where they tried to force me to quarantine in a cell with another inmate who was technically dying. And because I didn't, that used that as a reason to put me in shackles and cuffs, cut my claws off, put me inside a shoe sale. You know, you've probably been to the fed so you know about the shoe people. People don't. It's what they call the hole. You know, they put me in a hole, left me, shackles and cuffs, no clothes on again, 24 hours.

And it's like they wanted me to die. They probably thought I was going to die because of that. And this is just one of the claims in my lawsuit against the borough of prisons. And for anyone who wants to look up that case, that case number is, 22 CV 0550 that one is in the northern district of Illinois that one is still pending and again I'm just so grateful to be on your platform bro because I would have never been able to reach the public this way you know especially not through any mainstream news sites

Because, you know, they work with the government and anything to expose this type of government corruption, especially on this level where it's costing people their lives, you know, they would never allow me to reveal this type of information in the mainstream media. So again, I appreciate you for having me and allowed me to tell my story on your platform. Right. So at what stage is the lawsuit? I mean, you filed, do you file that? Have they responded yet? Yeah, that's the thing. My last hearing was May 25th.

And basically, the judge is giving the defendants another month and a half because the next hearing is July 13th. So they're giving them a little more time to respond. But in my last filings, you know, I found, I forgot which federal rule of civil procedure it is to be exact. But if they don't respond by the next hearing, then the court is forced to grant me the relief that I'm asking for. And of course, my life was jeopardized. So I'm probably going to ask for maybe $10 million for that. you know right so is there anything that you feel like we haven't touched on not not much it's just you know being in the feds you know and studying the law i was one of the guys who other inmates

you know came to for legal advice and help and i just want to make it clear that the judicial system is just, it's so corrupt that we, we don't even have attorneys who will really defend our civil rights, you know, like even Ben Krupp, he's supposed to, you know, be for the civil rights and he supposed to represent such cases, but what I realize about him is that, you know, he's basically like a cloud texture, you know, if your case is not in the mainstream media already he doesn't really want anything to do with it you know so we are forced to study the law for ourselves in order to defend our civil rights in this case you know that's one thing that i probably should cover like this case it's not just about civil rights you know this goes into

the international jurisdiction because you know with such inhumane living conditions it violates our human rights, which makes it an international claim. And so I did file also in the International Court of Justice, which is the World Court, and it deals with the United Nations because, you know, the America has jurisdiction only over civil rights, you know, and constitutional rights. So once they start to violate our human rights, we have. the human right to take our claims outside that jurisdiction and bring it into the World Court. So now it comes down to the similar claims to what Ukraine filed against Russia, you know, because now our human rights are at stake.

And again, we don't have, we really don't have anyone over here. this really defending our civil rights you know we we really have to like take a stand and study the law for ourselves because we can't really rely on uh attorneys because most attorneys and i'm going to say 98% of them based on my own experience are not willing to defend us when it comes down to the government yes they may defend us against uh local police or whatever but when it comes down to government agents and certain politicians when they violate our rights there's really no attorneys who are willing to take a stand and defend us so we have to really defend ourselves and if it wasn't for again platforms like such as yours and if it wasn't

for people like me who took time to actually study the law for ourselves then these matters you know, would have never been up, would have never even serviced. You know, the solutions, everyone will still be just oblivious to what we could do about this. Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that I have a buddy who is locked up, his name is Donovan Davis, black guy. he so he is a heavy equipment operator and mechanic so he can fix diesel engines and heavy and hydraulic systems and all kinds of the you're a massive machine that you pay hundreds of dollars an hour for to hire a mechanic he also does his family and he grew up doing this they do grading where they they grade you you know large swaths of land they cut trees down and that whole thing right though he is he he works at facilities in the camp at coleman so Coleman is the largest federal complex in the

nation and it's it's an hour north of Tampa so when it came down to COVID do you remember the the getting released in the CARES Act where they're releasing inmate If you had 50% of your time completed, nonviolent, you have an out-custody status, right? He's at a camp. You have, so you meet those requirements. And if you're, if you have a high probability of being, high probability of being susceptible to COVID, you have asthma, you have obesity, you have, uh, You know, you use a CPAP machine, you have, you know, any of those things. So he has all of them.

Here's the thing. There are, and he's in there for a white-collar crime. White-collar crime never been in trouble before. Made the mistake of going to trial, though. Got 17 years. But he had half of his sentence complete. Now, here's the thing. You have 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 guys.

with very similar charges as him, right? Like wire fraud, like white collar guys. Guys that ran Ponzi schemes. Those guys all got released. And there's actually, I have a list of the names of them. They all got released. So there's twofold to this problem. One, all of these people were released.

Same criteria as Donovan. They were all white. Donovan is a black. black guy. And here's the other thing. Donovan clears all the lots around the prisons. There's five prisons in Coleman. He fixes all the equipment. He fixes the equipment so well, they're shipping equipment from other institutions to Florida to be repaired. They put, they throw, they throw all their stuff on a truck. They ship it down here because guess what? Donovan gets paid $4 a day. $1.15 an hour or whatever that comes to, $6, $7 a day, $8 a day,

or you pay somebody $250 an hour to work on your hydroly equipment and your diesel equipment and your forklifts. And he does it for almost nothing, nothing. He does it for a cup of coffee a day at Starbucks. He'll save you. He just cleared all of the trees on the tree lines around the prisons. That's $100,000. Like, literally, I got a copy of his, his wife sent me a copy of his, um, his, uh, his report from

his counselors. He'd saved them over a million dollars in the last like four years, they said. The warden loves of everybody who thinks he's, you're saving us tons of money, you're doing great, you're doing great. He gets to drive around in the truck, around the perimeter by himself, he gets everything. But when it came time to releasing him, he didn't get release. why would you release a guy that's saving you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year? Why would you release him?

He meets the criteria. So during this whole thing, when this whole thing was going and when they were trying to get him released and they kept denying him, he got denied like, I think, three times. And every time they came up with some other reason. He's a, you know, he's a risk to the public. Really? He's a white collar risk to the public. You have him.

in a camp he's in a fucking camp bro if i'm there's no fence i can leave anytime i want i can say hey honey pick me up on the street jump in the car and drive off so how he's got his custody level is zero like he's got like his you know risk level is it's like zero he's at a camp um he's more than 50% of his time asthmatic obese uh uses the CPAP machine all of the problem oh he also has diabetes. And they don't release him. Why would they? All these other guys got released. They were fine. Most of them didn't even have medical conditions. But they served 50% of their time. They were nonviolent. They got home. So during the course of this whole thing, his lawyer filed and said, like, let's face it, if you know the law, him being turned down doesn't mean anything. The only way

he really has a right to sue is because if you're discriminating against him because he's Jewish, you know, race, religion. What he's saying I'm suing because, you know, I'm black. And they said, oh, that's not true. That's not what's happening. He said, really?

I want a list of the race of everybody that was released. The BOP is refusing to give them that list. Well, how many? They're saying, we don't keep tabs on that what are you talking about you to keep tabs you know exactly who was released of what color they are you can't look up an inmate without knowing what color he is when i go to look up inmate finder if i punch it you punch in matt cox it says there's only three things they want to know

what's his name what's his race and he's the uh what's his sex that's it so you know what race these guys are i think they're they're huge fear and then what their lawyer is afraid things they're afraid of, is that when they do that list, that is, it is going to be astronomically disproportionate to the true race that should have been released. It should be at least close to equal. I'll bet you 95% of the people that were released from prison were white. I have a buddy who writes for Forbes magazine who's been on this whole thing, and he also ordered Freedom of Information Act.

He said they won't give it to him either. And his whole thing is, his name's Walt Pablo. He said, we were talking and he goes, he said, Matt, he said, you know, I've helped like 40 people, 50 people get released. And I said, okay. He said, they weren't all white.

I said, really? He said, no, no. Two of them were Spanish. Two Spanish guys, all white guys, no black guys. He said, I have another buddy who got released. his name is uh uh we call him Zach Zach helped something like 10 or 15 people and he said you know what he said out of all the people I helped he said I think only two of the two of them were black guys that got out that actually got it everybody else was white he said so I mean so anyway Donovan's you know filing a lawsuit they're fighting they're arguing there no no no but think about it so there's two two things here One, they weren't letting out a lot of black guys. And two, why would you release this guy?

He's saving you millions, millions of dollars. You're not going to get another guy like this. Think about it. You're not going to get a guy with that type of skill set who can be in a camp and be allowed to drive around and do all these things by himself. That's rare commodity, and it's worth million. Why release him? Like, they'll use you, they will use you up, chew you up, and spit you out.

You know that. They don't give a fuck. And this is the thing about the BOP, just about government in general. Like, if people think, oh, well, no, I want a big government. No, the government cares about you. Let me tell you something. When you give the government absolute power, they will treat you just like they treat those inmate. because they have

absolute power absolute power corrupts absolutely and there's no there's no repercussions to how they can treat you that they'll treat you however they want to treat you

and if you think that you think they won't you're fucking crazy like if the government get too too big which is already too big this is how they treat you like an inmate

you know I mean so I mean you've seen it you're You're fighting right now. You're only fighting because you're bright enough to fight. Most people aren't. But people can't write a motion. And I actually explained that too.

And my lawsuit, I mean, there were people like one of my cellmates. He really couldn't read. You know, it was sad because his case was so bogus, but he don't know nothing about the law. And he can't even really find out unless, you know, It's somebody like us who could point things. I ought to tell him because he couldn't read. And that's the case.

That's the case for us. Like, I don't, again, I don't know what you know or think about R. Kelly. Well, he's another inmate, you know. Now, I know what the public has been programmed to think about him. But I was incarcerated with him and on the same unit for a while. This guy can't read. I don't want to say he's a tonal dummy because I probably couldn't, I mean, he's a genius when it comes to producing good music, but I mean, he doesn't know which way to go.

He don't know which way to turn. He can't read his case like he has the first case in history to where he was indicted on a one-man RICO, you know, the RICO was really meant for organizations. Yeah, for, for mobs, basically, you know what I mean? So that in itself is, it's just, it's just ironic. And speaking of, like, the cures, I was, I was still incarcerated when William Barr mandated that now, I was letter sent to Gilmer, West Virginia. And I don't know if you're familiar with who Terry Flinnery is,

but he's known by Southwest Tea. His brother name is Demetri's Fletnery. He's known as Big Meach. Oh, yeah. 50 Cent recently put out a series about their story. Okay, so now by time I made it to Gilmer, West Virginia, the Southwest T had just left and he left because he was granted compassionate release you know based on the CARES Act so you know I went to the

law library you know I looked I looked up his case printed out some things you know basically to use because I had I had been denied twice already for compassionate release but it's like okay if he was granted this and I know his case way, beared in mind, he was sent this 30 years for what they call

the criminal enterprise. Yeah. CCE, it was a, what is it? CCE. Yes, criminal enterprise. Basically, we're like Rico. Yes, CCE. So there was violence

and everything on his case. Now, again, my case, it was a drug case, but it was possession of 90 grams which was never even fought on beat but it's non-violent and you know uh one of the criteria is that you came uh be a violent offender so okay i'm not a violent offender uh i medically compromised i have asked one and uh i did a certain amount of my time you know like why was i denied you know what i'm saying and how was he is granted because, I mean, we filed into the exact same things, and he actually has violence

in his case, you know what I mean? So, I mean, yes, they do discriminate against people racially, but I didn't understand that either because I was saying people get granted compassionate release who actually had cases like robbery, you know, so I really just don't understand. This system really don't. So, you know, out of, I want to say, I don't know how many people it is, be honest. I think it's like 10 or 15,000.

Do you know there's only like less than half a dozen guys that got new charges that were released? Less than half of that. Six guys that got new charges. So think about that. You could release, if you could release 10 or 12,000 guys and put them on ankle monitors, and have them go work.

They don't cost you anything. You just save $50,000 a year to incarcerate these guys. Because most people say, oh, it costs about $32,000 a year to incarcerate a federal prisoner. You're missing something. That federal prisoner now doesn't pay income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes. So when you add it all in, they're actually close to $50,000 to incarcerate someone. So, roughly $50,000. Instead, you can have him get out, put him on an ankle monitor, go to work.

He only gets to go to work and come home, go to the grocery store, and go to church and come home. Like, that's it. So you're telling me that you can release 10, 12,000 guys and monitor them. What the fuck do we have of those guys in prison for then? If you can do that with those guys, why are they in prison? Why were they imprisoned to begin with? They're obviously, and now they're all contributing. Now they're all paying taxes.

They're all paying sales tax, property taxes, income taxes, and it's not costing you $32,000 a year. So now what's happening, you're saving $15,000 a year by having them on an ankle monitor. And out of like 10,000 guys, six of them over the course of two years got new charges. I think two dozen of them actually got thrown back in jail. Like they did something like, you know, ran off with their girlfriend and for the weekend, didn't, you know, whatever. You know, they do stupid stuff. They violated. I'm talking about new charges.

A violation is just stupid. That's not a new charge. That's not a criminal charge. It doesn't hurt anybody but the inmate. I'm talking about new charges. Like six guys got new charges. And they were minor charges. These aren't like they murdered somebody.

These are guys like they sold drugs. of their house or something like okay so what and they they got another charge and they got violated and they went back to prison they got an extra two years and that's it so so what are you doing you see what I'm saying like that's a hot that's hundreds of millions like you had 50 you add that up 50 thousand times like the 12 or however many thousand guys that got released times two to two three four five years you're saving hundreds of thousands or certain millions of dollars every single

year why are why are they in prison not not even to mention the the astronomical length of guys sentences like the same sentence that you would get in almost any country in Europe you get six months, two years

here you get 10, 15 years and you know this like the only reason that makes sense is money that's it Money in politics. So, I mean, I hear you. Like, I definitely believe the system is extremely, you know, unjust.

But listen, what, can you think of anything else that we didn't touch on or that? We're speaking on the money issues, you know, just in closing, like, what I discovered about the system. Like, you just mentioned the disparity of how much time we get in America versus most other countries. Now, what I did realize is that once we are sentenced, a bed bond is established, which goes on the stock market, basically, and people can invest into that. And a lot of people, you know, a lot of rich, powerful people invest into the prison system that way. And they make money off interest as long as you sit in prison. So if we could, you know, sentence these guys with bid bonds with a 10-year duration versus a two-year duration, then that makes more money for the investors.

you know and i mean it's crazy it it confused a lot of people you know who don't understand but it's definitely based on money and it would be being a rap artist i also want to explain how you know most of the people who you know how their money invested in the the music industry particular hip-hop music You know, they own the major record labels who own the labels that people think are major labels, and they are more significantly invested in the prison industry than anything. And it goes hand in hand, like if we could, if we can saturate the market through these artists with music this, you know, basically influencing their culture to kill each other and sell drugs, then that increases the chances that a lot of people, more people will start going to

jail and killing because we glorifying murder now. We glorifying selling drugs. We glorify robbery. This is getting into their heads. It's influencing them to want to kill everybody they get into it. It inflores them to want to sell drugs so they can have the biggest chains on to and impress these girls. And so now we have them, you know, on the market. They involve in the drug trade. They're killing. And so it's a revolving cycle. Now, you know, we're influencing them to commit crimes. And once they commit crimes, we make money off when they commit crime and we also making money off of the music this influence everybody to make crime so i just want to uh just wanted to close on that note and again thanks a lot for having me

i mean you you're a blessing to to uh a lot more people than it than you probably are aware of because you know uh the way that the government is set up you know you know we we call it the trap in our because it's like we trapped into committing crimes like i don't want to justify anything that anyone does including myself but when you grow up in poverty and you look up to rappers who influence you to sell drugs and kill because this this is all you know you your parents are probably not even suitable to raise you properly because they probably either sell drugs themselves or they probably drug abusers, dolphins, crack heads themselves.

So how are they going to guide you out of that lifestyle and keep you from falling into that trap? You know, so, you know, you have good people like, I'm not perfect. I don't think anyone was ever considered perfect other than Jesus, but you have good people

who just make such mistakes, and then they make such people look like the worst people on the planet you know what i mean like i looked in even to you a little bit i see that uh if i'm not mistaken you were uh uh incarcerated yourself for like 55 million dollars of of fraud or something like that right you know and it's crazy because rather you did that or not you know the people behind the scenes who control the government commit crimes far worse than anything that you ever did that you was ever convicted of and things far more than I was ever convicted for but again

you know uh people like you and I are technically uh like blacklisted you know they don't want us to get these this type of message out to the masses so again I salute you for having this platform and thank you for having me and allowing me to tell my story sure no problem I I I I appreciate you coming on. Yeah, I used to say the VOP wants me to work at Walmart when I get out. Right? Like that's all they want from you. Work at Walmart. Go get a job at Walmart or McDonald's. That's all they want. They don't want to see you get out and do something. And I don't want that. And I, for my deal with it, I just had a hearing to get off papers earlier. And she said, you need to work at 9 to 5. She's not satisfied with my proof of income. And

And this is the only reason why she denied me. I don't have any violations, but they denied me because proof of income. Well, your book world piece doesn't show that you were occupied. Your music streams doesn't show that you were occupied the events. And I'm explaining to her, look, I, you know, you want me to work eight hours a day, but sometimes I work 12 hours a day writing books or writing songs or being in the studio. but you want me to work for Walmart or McDonald's. And not because I'm working for myself,

you're not satisfied with it. Wow. No, even if you're making more money doing, they don't want that. I don't think they watch it. I just don't see them wanting people to be successful when they get out. They say they do because it sounds good, but they don't do anything to help encourage that.

What they help encourage is for you to go get a job at Walmart or Amazon or go work at FedEx or go work it. Yeah, that's what they want you to do. Work 60, 70 hours a week. That and be, you know, work from nine until six or seven, go home, go to sleep, watch Netflix, go to bed, wake up the next morning, do it again. That's what we want. This is Matt Cox and I appreciate you guys checking out the video.

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