Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - How Simple Fixes & Spiritual Practices Change Everything

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

We Almost Ended Our Friendship Over THIS?! | Exclusive Episode (Previously Substack-Only!) You won’t believe how close Mayim and Jonathan came to never speaking again - and all because of something ridiculously simple. In this exclusive episode of Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown (once only available to our Substack community), they open up about the hilarious moment that nearly ended years of friendship, collaboration, and love…and what it taught them about checking the “simple fixes” before assuming the universe is against you. Mayim and Jonathan also explore the line between mediums and channelers, the role of creativity in expanding consciousness, and how spiritual practices can calm the body and open the mind, diving into insights from our hit episode with Lee Harris (channeler of “The Z’s”) where we unpack the tension between skepticism and open-mindedness and how altered states might help us perceive more of our reality. They also break down: - Do mediums and channelers access more of their brain…or the entire consciousness system? - How creativity (and even trauma) can open the doorway to altered states - Why spiritual practices ground us when life feels chaotic - How to reimagine your life when your current path stops working (whether that means changing cities, careers, or your whole perspective) If you love exploring how metaphysics meets real life, or just need a reminder that the universe might be on your side, this one’s for you. Come hang out with us on Substack for more exclusive episodes and behind-the-scenes stories like this one! Subscribe on Substack for Ad-Free Episodes & Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, I'm I'm Bialik. And I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to our breakdown. Today, we're going to share an exclusive episode that we did a while back that had previously only been available to our special substack community members, but now we're just opening it all up. We want to give you a peek behind the curtain. This episode starts with one of my favorite stories about how Miami and I almost

stopped speaking. Seriously. It's years of friendship, collaboration. and love nearly ended over a surprisingly simple and hilarious problem that I share for the very first time in this episode that's you're about to hear. And also, we should clarify, this isn't an episode like, oh, we had a guest and it was only available. This was me and Jonathan talking. So it's a special Myam and Jonathan episode. Also, this conversation about misunderstandings is how I like to look at the, when we almost stopped speaking. It got us talking about other challenges in life.

emotional challenges, sometimes spiritual challenges, and sometimes purely practical ones. The payoff, really, of this surprising moment was that it tied so perfectly into the idea that often when we have really complicated problems, the first step is ruling out some things that are just obvious. And you'll hear later on it will all make sense. This episode also, we explore mediums and channelers. It's a follow-up to our very popular Lee Harris episode. Lee is the guest who channels the Z's. He had an experience and awakening where his...

On the subway. On the subway, his intuitive gifts opened up, and he suddenly became a medium channeling information that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, listen to every month. And so in this episode, Jonathan and I kind of dissect that a little bit more. We talk about the difference between mediums and channelers, because there is a little bit of a difference. So if you haven't checked out the Lee Harris episode, it's a good background for what we're going to talk about. But the other thing that comes up in this episode is the tension between skepticism and being open-minded.

And also talking about how we know that there is science behind meditation, altered states of consciousness. So how is perceiving more reality rather than less something that's skeptics, can still deny when we know that there is science to being open-minded in the first place. Also, we talk about very practical ways that people can use their intuition. Lee actually gives us an example of being trapped in a fire. There was a wildfire that he was escaping from, and he got intuitive guidance to go against the grain against what everyone else was doing. So it's not just theoretical.

We're always looking for how can we take this information and make it really a part of our daily lives in a practical way. In addition, in case you've ever wondered about the role of creativity or traumatic experience in those who are able to access altered states, we're going to talk about that and how spiritual practices can calm the body and allow you to shift perspective to have access to more. So if you've ever wondered how metaphysics meets real life, or maybe you need a change of perspective before just assuming that the universe is against you and everything's random, We think that you are really, really going to enjoy this conversation between me and Jonathan.

If you want more of this type of conversation, I do. Check out our substack. Myam Bialx breakdown on Substack. Myam and I do lives every week. And we sometimes have guests and have amazing conversations there. And those conversations are usually exclusive to the breaker community, but we are so excited to share this one with you. We hope you enjoy.

And we will see you over on Substack. Break it down. Let's tell the story of the one time. you couldn't hear me while we were video chatting and you got so upset with me that you almost never spoke to me again. So I was having problems with my internet at the I was living in a rental house and it was the internet was paid for by the rental house. It was like an all inclusive type of thing and the internet was really spotty and it couldn't figure out why it was spotty. It turned out that it needed new like equipment because it had been a really long time.

And so the internet was spotty. And so every now and again, when I was walking, when I would walk around the house and talk to mine, it would break out and she couldn't hear me. And she would get super annoyed because it's obviously very annoying because like you can only hear every other word. And at one point, we're having a conversation. And she's like, I can't hear you. And I like go to the place where I know in the house that it, the internet is.

strong. She's like, I can't hear you. And so I'm like, but I'm not moving. Like normally when I'm pacing, it's the worst. I'm like, she's like, I just, I can't hear you. And she's getting more and more frustrated. And I'm like at my wits end. I really don't know what I'm doing. I'm not doing all the things that I know will make the internet bad. And she's like, I just, she's just starts really elevating. I can't hear you. I'm getting out of the phone. I'm like, have you tried turning your volume up? And she's like, oh yeah, I did it. And that saved our relationship. And here we are. Sometimes our problems are metaphysical.

Sometimes our problems are emotional. And sometimes our problems are very, very practical. So now whenever I can't hear him, he's always like, is your volume up? Check the easiest thing first. But I think that is actually true with life is like before you go to, is there a ghost in the house? You're like, is the window open and it's drafty? That's true. My cat is really, she's very upset. Whenever I sit here, she always comes up on the bed, but she had to have a vet appointment, which she has very, very rarely, and they trimmed her nails

because that's a nice thing that she thinks that she's not allowed on the bed because she normally uses her nails to claw her way up on the bed. It's so sad, like I'm trying to explain to her, you can come up here. It's okay. I'm going to sit here. I'm right here. Then we put, a little like stepstool kind of thing so that in case she can get up here, Sue's not having any of it. She thinks that means really don't come up here because now there's a little piece of furniture there. She's very upset.

We have a lot to talk about today. That seems like you have bad news. No, I have great news. We did an episode that did great. It's so great that people love it. People are loving the episode. What's awesome is that it started in one of our most fun ways where the guest sits down and he asks, so why am I here?

No, what he actually said was like he's a little trepidacious. His team even questioned producer Valerie and was like, is this for real? Is this a joke? He was like, I'm not sure what I'm doing here. I say that every time I get on the internet with you. We're talking about Lee Harris. We've had people on who are mediums. We haven't had an official channeler.

If I look back, Susan Giesman was. a medium. Long Island medium is a medium. I think Suzanne would say that she's a channeler. She doesn't lead with that. Right. I think also this is one of the most unusual stories we heard. This was a person who says that literally out of the blue, he started, I don't want to say hearing voices, because as he described, it's different than hearing voices as people do if they're having auditory hallucinations. He had an experience where he started, as he described it, receiving information that even he was not certain what was happening. What's the difference between medium and channel? I was under the impression that mediums speak to people who have passed. I would say

channeling is a more umbrella term. I think maybe all mediums are channelers, not all channelers are mediums. But I could be wrong. That's a good one. I understood it as a medium connects with people who have passed, but also can connect, I think, depending on the medium, to spirit guides, etc who may be people who have passed but maybe other entities a channeler usually has a specific channel and a frequency that they contact so lee for example with his communication with disease those are his guides and usually it's a specific set of guides that he is focused on so that's how I understand the difference I don't know if Lee and we didn't get to talk to him about this if he's just like hey, let me go talk to other people in that realm or if he just hangs out with his dudes or dudets.

As Lee talks about it, the these, you know, there's different names and some of them are male, some are female, but I don't know. It's arbitrary. Also, he said that they appear to us like that because we understand that. Going back to the timeline here, Lee says, okay, why am I here? And what we say is, and actually this is an interesting part of the episode. It was like right at the beginning of the episode. You say we started off democratizing mental health. We wanted to share information about what makes people well.

And then I go into a great little diatribe where I explain that we've spoken to all sorts of people from across the spectrum of well-being, from medical doctors to psychologists, researchers, and what the overlapping message has been is that to connect with something greater than ourselves has been shown to have physiological and psychological. benefit. Even helping people prevent against depression, anxiety, loneliness, it has biological effects where you can see that the immune system is healthier. And Dr. Lisa Miller, who was one of our favorites, doctors, she describes and she studies the structure of the brain, believing that we have a spiritual component that our brain is made up to seek out and thrive on spiritual experiences

and that it has enormous effects and that it can be as effective or more effective than SSRIs and that people who have a religious practice which is really believing in something greater than themselves doesn't really actually matter what the religion is are neuroprotective in all sorts of ways

that she describes. So then we said to Lee, well, you know, you come into that by having a connection and having connected to something greater than yourself and talk about what that experience is and share that information for people. And so there are so many different ways to feel connected to something greater than ourselves.

We talk about nature. We talk about singing and community and volunteering and also different ways to have a spiritual practice. And in my experience in talking to him, Lee's channeling is another way of spiritual connection and practice. And what I think is so striking, at least for me about Lee, like when you hear someone who has this experience, like, on paper, I was like, what's this guy's personality going to be? Like, is he going to be like, I know everything and like, come by my books?

And he's just so... Just down to earth, right? Well, like, very down to earth. He's very humble. He's very wowed by the whole thing as well. And that helps me kind of understand why we had him, you know? Like, I wanted to find out more about his personality and his worldview, you know, that he's formed from having this kind of unbelievable.

experience. I think it's a really good point and that his normality is that like I've seen people who live in this world and in the self-help and I'm in front of crowds and they can be very performative in many ways. Yeah. And that's off putting, right? That performativeness. He came in and like if you didn't know what he did, you would have no clue. I'd want to like order a coffee from him at a coffee store and be like, hey, you're a nice guy. I'd be like, what books are you reading? Like, Let's hang out. And that's what I really appreciated because I've been around this world exploring all these different types of modalities just as my own personal seeker.

And it's really nice to see people who are grounded and doing this work but grounded in the real world. And Lee is very much that. Like, yes, you could see Lee at the Tim Horton's line in Canada getting his donut and coffee. My Ambialx breakdown is supported by Superpower. We all know the feeling of leaving a doctor's office and kind of feeling like we didn't get anything out of the experience that was useful. Maybe they're like, you're fine. Drink more water.

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Use the code break at checkout for $20 off your membership. And after you sign up, they'll ask how you heard about them. Make sure to mention my ambiotic breakdown to help support the show. But this is actually very important to me is that like spirituality can be like, I'm going to go off and experience the metaphysical sensation of being one with everything in the cosmos. And yes, that is true. You can have that. But how do we use spirituality?

and we talked about this with Betty as well. How do we use spirituality to be better human beings in the moment, to be calmer, to have a larger perspective, to not see our lives as limited as they are sometimes when we're facing hardship? How do we use it to be more connected to the people around us, to know ourselves better, to have a wider aperture of what's possible for both ourselves and other people have more patience? So when he described his initial interaction with,

disease where he's on the subway and he hears that voice, he was actually rattling around in his own mind about a problem he was having. It was really a limit and a struggle that he was having. And what he said was when he heard that voice, both his mind relaxed, but he had a somatic relaxation where the tension that he was holding softened. That's what he knew to be channeled energy. I love that because it aligns with this idea of how do you take. something that can sound esoteric and out there and what practical benefit does it have? Well, it makes me have a different perspective. It made him have a different perspective. It calmed his body so that he could relax in the present. And I love that application, that it is so tangible that just changing your

perspective has an immediate benefit on you. This was not his path that he was going down. like he didn't know that he was going to spend his life sharing information with other people. Like it's so no one could have imagined that for him. And one of the other things that, you know, people talk about especially psychologists that we have on and more of like the medical side of experts is like, are you living a life that's in alignment with your optimal health? And, you know, for so many people, it's a struggle, right? like paying rent and health insurance and all these things. And just in the last month, I know several people who have moved out of Los Angeles because it wasn't serving them.

It's not serving them. It's not serving them financially. It's not serving them emotionally. And even though it's painful to move or to have to relocate, just the notion that like what Lee teaches people is like there's a wisdom about what's healthiest for you. And there may be lots of obstacles in the way, but especially with his, emphasis on music and creativity. Like, yes, more people need to be in touch with their creative side.

More people need to, like, pick up coloring pencils. Like, whatever that is, like, we're being told by so many different people. Martha Beck talked about this. And I think COVID did this for a lot of people. Like, why am I sitting in a car for hours a day, you know, to wear this suit and, like, sit in a cubicle? Like, you know, I think there's been, I mean, a lot of people say, like, an expansion of our sort of consciousness of, like, what?

do I want my life to look like. And I really love how much he sort of like seized on this. And I find it really inspiring, you know, and I hope that other people do as well. The change when you leave Los Angeles or you leave a city and you have a realization that this isn't working, it could be anything, right? When you have your mindset on, this is the job that I think I'm really going to do. But then you get there and the realities and what you think it is and your body is telling you, wait a second, this is too difficult or it's breaking down or the relationship or the city, there's a mourning process that has to happen and there's a reimagining of what your life is going to be because you had only imagined it in this way, right? A lot of people,

especially who come to L.A. are like, it's the promised land. It's the golden and I'm going to be in the movie industry. And then the movie industry changes. And like we were talking to a really, really well-known actor who has been in so many different things. They were on a popular show. And she was like, I don't even live in LA anymore because I work everywhere else. So what struck me is like the changing nature of how we have to reimagine our lives because we've built up these ideas of what our life is going to be. And so to tie it back to Lee is that when he started to hear that voice, he didn't imagine his life going in that direction.

He didn't imagine his life is going to be talking to entities or to guardian angels or to spirits. he described that he went into this world through self-help. He just wanted to be more productive and feel better about himself. He didn't know that that was the path that was going to open up for him. When that path did open up before he could understand what it was, he thought he was going a little nuts. And I think a lot of people, when you start that reimagining process,

whether it be I'm going to think about going to Peru, go across the country, move somewhere else, you do start to think you're a little nuts because we have built our reality in a construct that is the only thing that we know. Like, I still don't really understand what's happening. You know what I mean? If I had to practically in a tangible materialistic way explain what's happening, I don't know that I can do that.

Like, there's something very, very mysterious to me. Tell me what you mean. Lee is receiving information from a group of entities that are guiding him and he has made a life and a career out of conveying the information from these entities to other people. I don't have a way to sort of fit that into a tangible, constructed view that I have of the world. This is my favorite game. Let's build that out just for a second together. So Thomas Campbell in his episode describes that there are three nodes of consciousness. there's your node of consciousness, there's someone else's node of consciousness,

and there's the larger consciousness system. With me so far? Kind of, sure. What's the kind of? Consciousness, node. You as mine are a phone. You're a phone, you're a cell phone. Okay.

Hello. I'm also a phone, and we are connected through the ethers by all the ones and zeros that exist in the ether. Right. So your Maim, hello, is talking to me and we're doing that through the larger consciousness system. Yes. Lee connects to the larger consciousness system to a set of nodes in the larger consciousness system and then communicates that down to Maim and Jonathan.

You think I don't understand that. This happens all the time with us where you say you don't understand something and I'm like, what's there not to understand? and then there's always a question. This would be like, I don't understand how to get there. And Jonathan would be like, you're going to take a vehicle. Like, I know how to get there. But we have to go through this process because you don't ask the question.

No, but you know what? Does Lee have access to more of his brain? Is there something in his brain? Is there something? Does he have access to the realm beyond our limited understanding? Thank you, Susan. And I do have a limited understanding, meaning that's the world I'm living in because maybe he's broken something open, you know, in his neural pathways.

Like, if I can't measure it, it's still very hard for me to understand. So the mechanism by which he's able to access the larger consciousness system is what we don't understand? Is that what the question is? I think that we're still a little bit on the fringes to be able to say that like a universal consciousness is a thing. After all the interviews, we're still questioning that?

I thought that's like a thing that we agree on, but maybe we're not, we don't agree on the mechanism. Why can't everyone do it? No, I think for me it's more about a mechanism and really looking for some sort of framework that I can use. I still don't fully understand the question. When you say framework mechanism, like what, what, so I can, I can understand like that, well, how does the brain work? Is it different neural pathways that allow someone to go into this state? And Bruce Grayson talks about that.

And actually, a guest we haven't spoken to talks about that that, that I have. some things to say about that. I think there's still a lot of theoretical components to what you're talking about. And I think a lot of people, you are one of them, feel very comfortable. What if everyone's framework is different? And that's, and it's true. As we've talked about, some people don't need any proof of this. It's just like, it's like you don't need proof.

It's not that I don't need proof. It's that until there is more concrete proof and it is provable, I am open to entertaining a handful of theories that I don't have to. saying can't change and evolve over time, but that feel and sort of get us some sort of understanding. There have been theories that do have proof. There have been imaging that show that we used to think psychedelics and deep meditative states enhance brain activity to give us more access to things. And what we discovered and realized is that they're actually quieting and that the filtering mechanisms that happen during waking consciousness

actually prevent us from seeing more information because we're geared to stay alive and go hunt for food and reproduce. And that in these states, especially in like Yoga Nidra practices, where you're in that line between being awake and asleep, the brain actually calms and quiets, and we then have more access to what could be considered reality, where our current reality is quite limited by the filtering system. You know, I think it's a little bit tongue-in-cheek, but I think it's Leticia.

This is why do I feel disappointed and lowly because of my inability to access that greater consciousness? I really relate to that, you know, that notion of like, what is it that people are tapping into? Like, what are they experiencing? And especially, like, I could understand if Lee was like, I was meditating, for 12 hours straight and then this happened, but he was literally on the subway not even trying to do this. And I think that in many cases, and I would point to people like Suzanne Giesman's book, The Awakened Way, even Martha Beck's book, there are ways to learn. There are. There literally are ways to learn to start to access something different, to feel into intuitive ability.

There are ways to kind of expand that consciousness. And it doesn't happen, as we've talked about, from like a three-minute body scan, you know, before bed. Like it's something that also shifts the more you practice it. Literally, it's something that you kind of can't explain until you are kind of practicing it more. And maybe that's it. Because this is really important for people and you discuss this. And I think it's the emotional side of people being like, well, wait a second,

people are talking about this thing that other people are accessing and like, how come I can't do it? Suzanne's Geisman's story was that she spent three plus years. years, practicing every day driven by an intense grief to reconnect with her daughter after one of the most painful losses of her life. And it was not until like years and years of practice that she was able to access this because she had never done it before. While Lee may have had this breakthrough, he also describes a deep connection to creativity from a very early part of his life. And we know that creativity wires the brain to be able to think non-linearly.

outside of the box in a way that gives us access to something else. Almost everyone, actually, that we've spoken to either has a traumatic experience early on that helped them dissociate and go explore other realms or an intense connection to creativity. We also know that high levels of trauma and anxiety can prevent us from sort of accessing other realms in some cases. Sometimes times it increases it, sometimes it decreases it because we're caught in that fight or flight response. So I would say that the first step in thinking about accessing this type of thing is, one, imagining that it is possible, two, trying to address any sort of immediate like panic states that you're in. And then three, doing microcreative exercises to help facilitate that.

And it is, I think it's 100% possible. I think it's a birthright. You know, Lisa Miller talks about that, that spirituality is our human birthright. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. and really enjoying the comments. I'm reading them kind of as we go. Yeah, I think that I'm absolutely open to, which is why we had Leon and why we were able to engage him, I think, in such an inspiring conversation. It sounds like for other people is because I'm completely open

to having these conversations. I am not willing to say, this is crazy. I'm not willing, to me it's unscientific, you know, to say, I'm not going to talk to this person. Jeffrey Criple, you know, has taught us how to think impossibly. And this is one of the things. It sounds impossible, but we get to engage in it. And 50 years ago, probably 20 years ago, someone like Lee Harris would be given psychiatric

suggestions, right, as to what he should do to stop this from happening. And I'm grateful, you know, that we live in an era where we're comfortable allowing him, A, to be himself, and B, to be able to build a life in a career, you know, out of guiding other people. So, yes, I'm open to that. I think that still remains to be seen, you know, what kind of framework, again, what kind of framework I can put around the mechanisms of this, what it does mean, you know, for an understanding of a larger sort of consciousness. Also, total aside, I have the phone on my laptop, like I have my laptop open and then I have the phone that we're live on. And so I see your face, but there's a delay and it's funny.

And sometimes I'll be talking to you and I'm wondering why are you not nodding your head when I'm saying things you normally nod your head to. And then I realize it's because that's 30 seconds delayed and you're not nodding because something else is happening in the space time continuum. You're in parallel universes all at the same time. I mean, that's just true, no matter what. I want to address someone's comment here about the cold open of the episode ends with Lee turning to you and saying, would you like me to tell you something about yourself?

Yeah, it was a nice reading he did for my. I'm just so interested. What if all these people got to be in one room, right? And how many things we've just been able to gather of people who want to talk about the same things, want to engage on these topics. and so just really love that we have a virtual space, you know, where we can do that. We've got some pretty big, exciting stuff that we're going to be doing here on substack that we can only do here.

If you feel drawn to it, tell a friend about this growing breaker community. We love when you tell people about what's going on here. Maybe it doesn't have to be a friend. Does anyone you know? I'm good to hang with you so early on a Friday morning. It's a great conversation. And for those of you who were on earlier and heard, you know, the cat, She did not come over.

I've been here. This is a long time for me to sit and have the cat. She's given me the back of her head. She's like, I'm not going to sit next to you during that substack live. She's like this. Maybe she's literally like ears are up. Like lady, you cut my nails and now I can't get on the bed. Probably like if I come near you, you're going to stick me in that little cage again and take me places.

She did really well at the vet, though. She really did. Most everyone I speak to when it's like, hey, how are you? Like a friend I haven't spoke. Well, the world's on. like everything's going crazy. The world is crazy. So also want to acknowledge, you know, things every single day. And, you know, even in our little Miami-Bi-Lex breakdown community, you know, we often share things that are going on in the world, scary things, hard things, complicated things.

We're happy to still get to do the work that we do and to also create a space where we can think about ways that hopefully we can make the world better, bigger, and that we can lead more fulfilling lives. Like that's what a lot of the things are. Jonathan, what are you typing? What's happening? What are we doing? Nothing. Hi, I'm here. Sometimes I got an idea and I just want to get the idea down. You're talking.

I was like, you know what? You go. Colette just joined and this is what she has to experience. Look, what I like about this community is people appreciate it. You just made me out of a hot flash. I'm so mad. What would the Zs say? Turn on the air conditioning.

That's what they would say. I'm a good weekend, everybody. We'll see you next time. Thanks for being here. It's my and Bialics breakdown. She's going to break it down. for you she's got a neuroscience phd or two one fiction was and now she's gonna break down so break down she's gonna break it down she's gonna break it down