Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - Insiders Swear Alien Bodies Are in the Lab. Astrophysicist Investigates UFOs, & DMT | Neil deGrasse Tyson

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

World-renowned astrophysicist Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson (Author of Take Me To Your Leader: Perspectives on Your First Alien Encounter) returns to the Mayim Bialik's Breakdown studio for one of his most mind-bending conversations yet, covering UFOs, aliens, consciousness, near death experiences, secret government speculation, DMT entities, Antarctica’s hidden lakes, and what humanity may discover beyond Earth.Neil reveals why he REFUSED an invitation to inspect an alleged alien body and explains what most people get wrong about extraterrestrials. He shares his biggest problems with how aliens are portrayed in Hollywood, why alien life may not need to be silicon-based, and whether stories about reverse-engineered UFO technology (including theories involving the Wright Brothers) hold any scientific weight.He also addresses the mysterious deaths and disappearances of U.S. scientists connected to nuclear research and aerospace programs, and whether any of it could realistically be tied to nonhuman intelligence, UAPs, or classified technology.The conversation goes even deeper into consciousness and altered states. We explore the controversial DMT laser protocol experiments and why so many experiencers report seeing the same “source code,” encountering entities, communicating with departed souls, or entering what feels like other dimensions. Neil explains the scientific evidence he would require before accepting out-of-body experiences or near death experiences as real phenomena existing outside the brain.He also reveals why he has never used drugs, why he does not believe consciousness survives bodily death, and breaks down his fascinating “3 varieties of truth” framework for understanding reality itself.Plus:- What Neil deGrasse Tyson hopes humanity’s first contact with aliens would actually look like- How aliens & UFOs became mainstream cultural topics- Why he wanted to become part of the alien conversation- Whether underground lakes beneath Antarctica could serve as models for icy alien oceans elsewhere in the solar system- Future of astrobiology, extraterrestrial discovery, & human understanding of consciousnessThis is one of the deepest and most controversial discussions Neil deGrasse Tyson has ever had on aliens, UFOs, DMT, consciousness, near death experiences, and the search for life beyond Earth!Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/break/ #rulapod Every self-made person started somewhere. Yours starts free at https://www.shopify.com/breakdown .Machine Washable Rugs, Made Better. For a limited time only, our listeners get 10% off + free shipping at https://www.tumbleliving.com/BREAK #Tumble #ad Make your summer wardrobe feel easier. Go to https://www.quince.com/breakdown for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Go to https://tidd.ly/4uVltMe and use the code MAYIM50 to get $50 off your Elastique order.Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson’s latest book, Take Me To Your Leader: Perspectives on Your First Alien Encounter: https://neildegrassetyson.com/books/2026-05-take-me-to-your-leader/Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Is it too much to ask to bring out the alien? It's not. For the longest while, reports of aliens or UFOs were becoming more and more official. If many people start claiming the same thing, that's indication we should look a little closer. You had the opportunity to see an alien. I said thank you for this kind invitation. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, author of Take Me to Your Leader, is here to reveal more on the recent government disclosures about UFOs and extraterrestrial encounters. It began for me in 2023.

We had insider ex-military intelligence agencies saying under oath that in the back shed, they're living aliens, crashed saucers, and reverse engineered technology. I thought I should jump in the ring and share a scientific foundation with people who are evaluating and assessing evidence. Why are so many people who are doing research in this field either dead or missing? Speaking as an astrophysicist, I can tell you, My and B. Alex breakdown is supported by Helix Sleep. Summer's in the air, and so are all of the allergens that come with it.

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If you liked our last episode with Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, he is back for more. He's here to talk about his new book, Take Me to Your Leader, Perspectives on your first alien encounter. But wow, the conversation goes about a billion directions from there. Neil's going to discuss with us the real. recent government disclosure about evidence of aliens and unidentified anomalous phenomenon, what an encounter with an alien might practically look like, and the possibility that private companies have unidentified crafts and might even have biological or non-biological specimens that reveal that aliens are actually here. In fact, Neil was invited to inspect a mummified alien

in Mexico, and he shares that story with us. We also talk about Neil's trip to Antarctica and the hidden lakes and what life forms might be in those lakes. We're also going to ask him about DMT. Is it possible that there is a code hidden behind the reality that we think we are experiencing? Neil weighs in.

That and so much more on this episode. Welcome in person to the breakdown. Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Break it down. Thanks for having me back. You said you would invite me back after I told you aliens were in our future and you, you, you, you,

We think we inspired the book. It's the fastest written book we've ever seen. I will say you are the quickest repeat performer here at Bialik Breakdown. We had such a great time with you. It's such an honor to get to speak to you here. And literally, we spoke about aliens and then this came out. I've seen better. Yeah.

Oh, sorry. The dog ate our homework. The dog chewed on the corner of the book. It was delicious. I mean, actually, the whole cover was pulled off. What? Look at this thing. Holy! Yeah, he had a really good time with it. Okay. So I think the dog found something in the book.

Oh. That wanted to eat the evidence. Too dangerous. That's the best way to get rid of evidence, you eat it. It's a very, very dangerous book. Take me to your leader, perspectives on your first alien encounter. So lest people think that all of a sudden you are on the alien, bandwagon. Explain the framework for this book.

That's an excellent question. So alien bandwagon, let me pretend I don't know what that means. And let me just say that for the longest while, the reports of aliens, or let's say UFOs, let's start there, were common in back roads, the farmers, back 40, the revelers after the bar closed at 2 a.m. And so you had sufficient reason to

hold suspect the person doing the reporting. If you needed to look for reasons, there it was. Okay? Easy to explain away if you wanted to. Explain away these people just to have a little bit crazy in them. Their imagination got the best of them.

And over the decades, the reports were becoming sort of more and more official. And we can go back to the release of the of the Project Blue Book, an early effort of the military to track unexplained phenomenon. And they were not able to correlate it with anything that was not of this earth. So that disappointed many people who felt sure that there's a lot of not of this earth happening on this earth.

So really it began for me in 2023, 2024, 2025. We had this parade of insiders, whistleblowers, ex-military, ex-intelligence agencies, saying under oath that in the back shed, their alien body parts or living aliens. Or aircraft. An alien crashed saucers and reverse engineered technology. And what I remember most curiously is, wow, all of Congress is at peace with itself during these hearings. They weren't fighting about anything political. It transcended partisanship.

So I said, well, so Congress can get together. I just thought there was a little silver lining of that that I think. wasn't widely appreciated. So, but I definitely noticed it. And, oh, and by the way, Ronald Reagan in 1987, addressing the UN said, I'll paraphrase, because we're still in the Cold War. I wonder if we discovered hostile aliens, whether that would bring us all together as one species to fight them off.

So there's Ronald Reagan thinking that way. So this is a little smidgen of what he meant by that. We're all together investigating it. So I said, all right, you can't just write off these comments. So I thought what I should do is jump in the ring and share a scientific foundation with people who are looking at and evaluating and assessing evidence. and then tell people that the battle cry, I need a witness, the battle cry of courtrooms,

said no scientist ever because eyewitness testimony does not count as evidence in the court of science, however important it is in the court of law. Material evidence is evidence, not someone's claim that something happened. So if many people start claiming the same thing, that's indication we should look a little closer to get that evidence that the scientist seeks.

And in fact, a friend and colleague of mine was head of a committee established over those years, those three years, 23, 24, 25, to, he's an astrophysicist. He said, let us look at all of these reports and see how we can improve the data taking. instead of just a testimony, instead of a fuzzy photo, instead of, okay, so they want to create an app because we all have smart, there's six billion smartphones in the world, six billion, and each one obtains huge quantities of metadata for every photo you take. It's what is the longitude and latitude where it was taken? What is the elevation of the phone?

What was the brightness conditions? What was the color of things? So if that happens through an app, and then the app can be centralized in some way, then if there's a phenomenon and multiple people see it, you can triangulate on it. One of the hardest things to establish is the distance to an object, especially if it's an unfamiliar object. You know, if it's a basketball, you know how far away it is by how small it is. If it's a car, you know, but if it's a spaceship, if it's a flying saucer, you have no idea. It could be miles wide. It could be a room wide.

Exactly. Because the angle will still be preserved if it's small and nearby or large and far away. Yet people are still just coming up with distances to things because they think they know. Whereas this would get rid of that uncertainty. So I think they're still working on the app, but that would be a very important first step. So then I said, all right. I just took the, is it a hardline posture? I'm saying, is it too much to ask at this point for you to bring out the alien?

That's all I want. And the moment you do that, no one has to ask you, do you believe in aliens? Which has built in the implicit requirement that you believe testimony. of various people. Here's an example. Let's say just a few dozen people in the world had ever seen an octopus. Okay?

And now they line up in Congress to talk about it. You gotta believe me, is his creature with no bones. It's this wide. It's got eight legs. Eight legs. And it has suction cups

along each leg. And it can all, open doorknobs and this brain tissue distributed into each of the eight legs. So the eight legs have a kind of independent and you be just, it has a huge eyeballs. And it swims. Also, it's really smart. Oh, yeah, and it's really, really, really smart.

It can figure stuff out. It can distinguish between stripes and polka dots. And some of them have cloaking devices where they can go to the ocean bottom. and take on the appearance of their environment so they become invisible. And they say, well, can you draw one? No one knows how to draw these things, right? So they draw one, and it looks completely crazy. So this is kind of where we're at.

We have some even trusted witnesses describing something extraordinary. When all you have to do is bring out the octopus. No one will then say, do you believe in octopuses? And we want that. We all want that. I'm saying, is it too much to ask? It's not. Thank, thank. Thank you host of her own show. I agree with you that it's not too much to ask.

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Dot forward slash break. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them our show sent you. And do something that's a little crazy, which is put your scientific hat just not off, but just tilted to the side for a second. Do you realize what you're asking me to do? No, it's just great. Well, you also have a science fiction side, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. And you have an amazing imagination. So I think the first question I have is, like, given that the credibility of the witness has increased so dramatically.

And by the way, it wasn't just that parade of witnesses. There was an entire nearly two-hour documentary called Age of Disclosure. Oh, yes, we've seen it. Yeah, yeah. Where people, they have many more people who testify not necessarily in front of Congress, but they're completely sincere. at no time are you thinking these people are just publicity hounds or or no we spoke to ryan graves who was the first you know current standing um pilot and you know he's not saying i'm seeing

aliens but what he is saying is there something going on there's clearly some sort of cover up and no one's talking about what we're supposed to do next it's not a cover up if people insiders are saying what was covered up the moment they say that it's no longer a cover just just the person saying right an insider saying there's a cover-up at that point it's no longer a whistleblower okay there's a lack of clarity about what it is that he witnessed and he experienced and that many other pilots that he claims also let me let me put a draw a line between seeing something you don't know and understand and calling it a UAP,

which is rebranded, you know, what is it, unidentified, anomalous phenomena. And who are they kidding? They're talking about UFOs. It's a four-syllable word.

You got to throw it in there. Anomalous. So, so if you don't understand what it is, then you don't know what it is. And what I've said many times before, I'll continue to say, just because you can't identify

what you're looking at does not mean it's an ail in it. Sure. It just means you don't know what you're looking at. and let's investigate it further. So many pilot sightings, they don't know what it is. And everyone is jumping to the conclusion that it's an extraterrestrial alien visiting Earth.

Well, hold on. Ryan Graves for sure does not. And I think that's... Many of them do. Right, many do. But I think what's true is we do need a transparent exploration of these things. I think you would agree with that.

Well, isn't that what's happening now? Whether or not it's transparent, you have whistleblowers. and insiders. So, so I don't need, in fact, when the Pentagon released their,

their files, it was almost anticlimactic given what has already been testified. I thought we'd see a body and an aircraft and I wanted a chemical analysis

of a material we'd never seen. Lay it out there. Right. Just put it out there. And so none of that happened. He wants me to twist my head a little bit.

That's right. Just a little bit. So I'm happy to do that. Okay, let's go sci-fi for a moment. Love it. Because we've spoken to people who say, of course the information hasn't come out, and then they give a very elaborate reason why that is. No, that would be conspiracy people.

That's a whole other sort of category of person. Some of these people are highly credentialed also. They're in academia. If you're only saying, it's probably there, but it's not coming out. That has nothing to do with credential. That's just you want a gap, you want to fill a gap. between somebody else's testimony and what you think is going on.

That has nothing to do with how high ranking you are. So there is a gap and I don't think it's as much conspiratorial as it is incentive structure. They want to explain an incentive structure, which may sound conspiratorial, I'll admit,

but I'll present this information to you for your analysis. Yeah, I would say, bring out the alien. That's my analysis. I'm saying, I don't know how much more we can or should be listening

to eyewitness testimonies because they're getting very redundant very quickly. Yeah. Okay? And so because they're saying, I saw something and it did something that laws of physics don't allow, whatever. What I did in the book was, in a way, it's a love letter to human fascination with aliens

because what we imagine aliens to be is basically crowdsourced in Hollywood. All right. Look at the creativity invested in what people think aliens could look like, should look like, might look like, from comedic to very serious. Comedic would be Mars attacks, for example. That's just campy. But then you get other attempts to be authentic, whatever authentic means in this context, such as the alien series, right, with Sogernie Weaver.

Then there's the prequel with, what was that one called Prometheus. So there are hundreds of movie aliens, maybe perhaps around 100, referenced here, checking them for how imaginative is this, given what we know about the laws of physics, the size of the universe, what the technologies might be. So here's a property. Here's a good one, an alien power. Is there anything that gets in the way of that? No.

So maybe an alien could have that. So it's a very honest, investigate, not investigating. Exploration, yeah. Exploration of human imagining is what aliens could be. And I think that's a fun fact about what it is to be human, because even if you don't know, we can try to imagine. And that's, it's an entire industry is built on that. What would you want them to be if you could design your version? Yeah, I don't put my desires on the universe itself.

It just never works out the history of that exercise. Well, you talk about the arrival aliens, and that's kind of a cool, you know, they have a whole linguistic and conceptual linear time. I had another issue. Yeah, it was circular time. Yeah, yeah. So we have linear time. Meaning the issue with linear time. They solve it by making it circulate.

Exactly. And so I had other, that's fine. One concern I had was You know they make their squid ink Patterns on the other side of this transfer I'm assuming it's glass but it could be some other Alien transparent substance And then we go up to the glass

And then interpret it And did that alien draw it backwards for us? Just like Leonardo da Vinci, what's your problem? Explain to everyone why you said that Leonardo da Vinci wrote in mirror It was like his own little fun trick. Well, he was left-handed. Yes.

And some have argued that if you're left-handed writing with liquid ink, you would only write from right to left. And that way you don't get ink all over here. I have a lefty, yes. Yeah, yeah. So it was just not so much he didn't want people stealing his work. Well, and also the notion that Leonardo da Vinci was writing in some coat, just hold up a mirror and you can see what it is.

No, except mirrors were very uncommon at the time. That is also true. But you could in theory. But yeah, so that would be part of the arrival. Yeah, he's smart enough the way he could have just invented his own. a cryptographic code. 100%. 100%.

So I'm not buying the fact that he didn't want people to read. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't that much of a mystery. So another issue I had with the arrival aliens. By the way, you have to distinct, there were two arrival movies, one with Charlie Sheen playing an astrophysicist. And that was, I think, from the 90s. And then one has a the in front of it. You're right.

You're right. And so, but anyway, the one we're talking about. about now is where they came and there are these pods that float in different cities. And we send a physicist and a linguist to figure it out, which I would have never done. It's pretty cool twist, though. I would have sent an astrobiologist and a cryptographer. That's what I would have sent. And then I tweeted that.

I felt bad because only then did I realize, how often do you see a linguist in a movie? Right. Like, never. It's true. Nobody even knew. where astrophysicists are in every freaking sci-fi movie. And so I felt I cast shade when I really shouldn't have. But this is also a great time to point out recent research, I think, out of Stanford,

sperm whales seem to have a grammar to their language. And I thought, finally, like linguistics and biology, right? And neurolinguistics is finally combining. In fact, I say something in the book that might not be entirely true, where aliens would come visit us and they see the same species around the world that cannot communicate with itself because we have different languages and they might find that odd.

Right. And then I say because whales talk to each other and dolphins talk to each other. It might be that a dolphin or whale on one side of the world has a completely different dolphin whale language. I'm thinking not. Maybe it's just dialect.

Yeah. They might have an accent. And that's what you mentioned. Like just think of this notion that aliens, I mean, I think that's part of what the book also allows us to explore, not just what it would be like for us to encounter aliens, but what do we look like, right?

To an alien species. A whole chapter is given unto that. Oh, let me finish the point about the septupoid aliens in arrival. I just wonder if you're squishy like that. How do you build things? How do you hammer together? How do you assemble? Oh, okay.

Thank you for answering that question. And also, we spoke to Stephen Wolfram, who was the consultant on arrival. Your problem is if you're squishy, how do you build things? If you're completely squishy, if you're just squishy all around. Right. Neither an exoskeleton, which is pretty good, like insects have that, or some skeleton on the inside. Right. We could harm ourselves if we're, that's why we wear gloves to protect our squishy outer.

Right. Because our bone inner is what's really making the, Okay. So, you know, one of those, I don't think the squishy alien can do the karate chop and break bricks, for example. That's all. So I'd be curious. If they did do it, I'd wonder how. Right. All right. So. Not carbon-based. Yeah. And by the way, carbon-back addressed that as well. It's an assumption, but it is not a wild assumption. Speaking as an astrophysicist, I can tell. you, oh, by the way, let us remind ourselves, your readers surely know this, given your professional background, not as an actor, but as your lab background, that why would anyone suggest that there could be life based on? Carbon?

Silicon. Silicon. Yeah. Why would anyone, you got 9900 other elements why are they picking silicon? Because silicon on the periodic table of elements sits. It's exactly below carbon. And all elements in a column have the same configuration of electrons in the outer most shell. And that's the configuration that determines what kind of molecules you make.

So every molecule you can make with carbon, you can make with silicon. So we have carbon dioxide, CO2, there's silicon dioxide. We have CO, you know, carbon monoxide, we have S-S-I-O. Did I say that right? Silicon dioxide, S-I-O-2, silicon monoxide. And so, imagine life when you swap out a silicon atom with a carbon atom at every point. What would that life look like? It would look like it's made of a strudel because that's what silica looks like.

Or silicon is like the active ingredient in rock. Right. So you could be a little more. It's like a pastry. It's like a flaky pastry. So it's a fun exploration to consider. But again, speaking as an astrophysic. carbon is the fourth most abundant atom in the universe.

It's the third most abundant chemically active atom, because helium is in there and helium is inert, so it's out of anybody's consideration, out of the running. It's the third most common. Next is oxygen, next is nitrogen, next to a bunch of other elements, and somewhere down there you get to silicon. So you don't need to appeal to silicon because carbon is abundant and very sticky to make huge complex molecules. So it is an authentic, a justifiable bias is how I would say that.

Yeah. All right. I'm going to step in it one more time. And I'm going to- Do we still move my science outside yet? Did we finish your point? This is a creative- Because we keep interrupting you.

If we do circle back to that, this is the writer, sci-fi, Neil Degroar. As Tyson. And the explanation is that if a material had been captured and they're trying to reverse engineer it, then the people who are reverse engineering it are contractors. They're not actual government agencies. They're using a variety of contractors. Especially since if it's a government agency that's traceable through budgets. Exactly. So you have, and technically, like the technical skills required would require contractors. to be able to execute that type of way. Which, by the way, is a fundamental feature.

I'm not giving away too much here. Of the film Disclosure Day. Oh. That there's a private company involved, and that way you can't trace anything. Makes sense. That's how I would do it. Thank you for your...

That's right, my official opinions. Deven Spielberg knows what's up. So these private companies may have gotten some material, whether it be biologic, or whether it be the craft of some kind. And the theory is that all around the world, governments are in a race, similar to a Manhattan project style,

to reverse engineer this technology, and the rub here, the incentive structure, is that if they break this and they crack that code, then it upends energy production or the use of the type of energy that we will harness, and that will totally upset oil markets, upset natural gas markets. And so it's a massive disruption to the world's economic powers.

I don't have a problem with that, but still, show me the alien. Keep the technology on the raft. Show me the alien. And gag the alien. Yeah, but can't speak. The implication would be that would be a reason for a cover-up. It'd be a reason to cover-up to technology. Because it might change the way we do business.

I don't even like- Do you know how to change the entire? higher still show me the alien that doesn't you're not we're good there we're expecting that with it like I said is that too much to ask well now here's something you might not have known

um okay Wright brothers fly what year don't do this to me I don't know 1903 okay okay it would take I was about 30 years off so not too bad 44 years

to break the sound barrier with Chuck Yeager. Okay? Do you realize he broke the sound barrier three months after Roswell? Just putting it out there. Okay? So what happens again? Ten years after we break the sound barrier, we're orbiting the earth. Twelve years after we're orbiting the earth, we're walking on the moon. Okay. So, If you are in denial of the pace of science and technology, your only accounting for that is that we're reverse engineering, brilliant technology from visiting aliens that are kept under the wraps.

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on us again, wait. I wasn't, I didn't know that's the dance we were doing. So you're saying, and I'm literally, this is me literally not knowing, some people have said that what happened at Roswell led to this exponential increase in technology and aeronautic sophistication? The examples I just gave you, I haven't seen anyone present, but people have talked about reverse engineering technologies.

So with, the reason why I have this precisely laid out, not that you couldn't look it up. Yeah, yeah. But I spent a chapter of my previous book. Right. I think I talked about that book last time I was talking about the pace of progress in our society. What's the doubling time of discovery and published research?

And we have linear brains. We think progress goes linearly. There's no reason evolutionary for us to be able to think exponentially. It's out of our reach, yet it happens around us. And so in that book, I spent an entire chapter looking at 30-year increments from 1870, before anybody was talking about aliens up to 2020. And each 30-year increment brought extraordinary advances in civilization. So I went through that and picked four or three, whatever that was.

And all I'm saying is, if you understand how exponentials work, it is not a surprising fact that the pace has grown at that rate. presuming you're in a culture such as the United States 20th century where there's the free and open frontier of scientific research and connection channels between science and clever engineering. If that is not there, then you just, you're living in a cave and you'll stay there, right? But the United States had it, and that's why we essentially control the world for the entire second half of the 20th century.

And that's the period over which I'm describing these great advances. It's a famous, a fun exercise to test exponential thought. So I tell you there's a lake and there's an algae that's growing in the lake. Okay? And the allergy, I say the algae every week is doubling how much area it's covering. on the lake. Every week it's doubling. And you see the lake, and it took a year, a year, for half the lake to be covered by algae.

So the question is, how long will it take to cover the entire lake? And 99 out of 100 people will give one answer to that? a year. The answer is one week. That's the difference between thinking linearly and thinking exponentially. And I got on this exponential trip because when I was at Princeton, Princeton has an astrophysics library just dedicated to ash. I thought I died and went to heaven when I went. Okay. And on one wall is every single issue of the astrophysical journal. which was birth in the year 1895. So the first one is on upper, and it's one wall.

And I said, let me just do an experiment. And I said, what year is the middle of this wall? I did this experiment in 1992, 1992. What year is the middle? Okay. It was 1978. So as much research was published between 1978 and 1992, as had been published between 1895 and 1978.

So then I went into that part, and I said, where's the middle? And so the point is, astrophysics research had nothing to do with flying sauces or anything, is just what's our understanding of the universe? The doubling time was actually 15 years. And so that got me on this whole thing to think about that. So you're denying our own, how clever we are as a species.

If you're saying we could have never thought that up, it had to be aliens. Therefore, they're aliens in a lockbox in the shed. And we're reverse engineering it. Fantastic. So that's my long reply to your. It's not going to make the best movie, but it's a good movie. Right. There's the movie, good movie factor here. That's right. Could you show Mine be Alex Breakdown is supported by OneSkin. Whether you try every new skincare product or you've been using the same things for years, at some point your skin is just not going to keep up the way it used to. That's what OneSkin changed for me.

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for those who are, just, just... Here, I'll just use it like this. Okay. So, you talk about something in this book. It is on page 188.

Okay. And it is a letter that was written to you. Yes. You had the opportunity to see an alien and you turned it down. Yes. Can you explain to us what happened? Okay. So I was

on Colbert and I'm commenting on these parade of testimonies and I said, bring out the alien. I'm not the first time I've said that. Show me the alien. Don't just talk about the alien.

Show me the alien. And, okay, so Colbert agreed, fine. Then within weeks, I got a letter from a Mexican, I don't know what his exact role was, whether he's one of the wranglers and one of the organizers, but he said, we brought out the aliens that we have that were found in the NASCA planes of Peru

and they're on display in the Mexican Congress. We have them. Since you wanted that to happen, we did that for our own mummified aliens, or unmumified. They were mummified and they... And so, and I looked at the pictures of the aliens. Okay, they're very archetypal. Typeo. All right.

Kind of bald head, big eyes, nose, mouth. The mouth is like this. Like there's smoke in a pipe or something. Anyhow, arms. Gray? Well, they're mummified. They were dark gray. Okay.

Like sidewall, dark gray. Yeah, yeah. And, no, a little lighter. Yeah, gray. Definitely gray. Not green. Not the green. Yeah.

And they had hips, legs, femur, feet, arms, fingers. A humanoid body. Thank you for helping me out there. I mean, hips is like, what's he thinking about the hips? If you got hips. And they went into one of them and took x-rays. And they found eggs in one of them. Wait, what?

Only now are you wondering? Only now are you... I mean, like, eggs that you could see in an x-rays? Because I know how big my eggs are. You can't see them on an x-ray. These were like reptilian signs. sized eggs, like this big. Like an ostrich egg? Except they were,

they were, you know, elongated rather than spherical. So there were three eggs. Now, here's something interesting that no one is thinking about, okay? This is an x-ray. Those are birth and hips. That's what? I saw, because the hips were right.

They're nice and wide. No, but why is Neil deGress Dyson thinking about an alien's hips? Now I know. Because we have the eggs. They have to come through the birth canal. Whatever that is. Those alien hips don't lie. Hips don't lie. Okay, go on.

So, generally when you look in an x-ray, you're seeing it in the negative. Okay, they hardly ever print an x-ray in positive film. Right. Because the bones and other hard tissue absorb x-rays, which means the x-rays do not penetrate through them. So if you see it in an x-ray, they show up white. Okay? because the x-rays were absorbed by it,

and the film on the other side doesn't see the x-rays. Okay? So it's just in the negative, they show up white. Your bones and other heart tissue. These eggs were completely white. So the x-rays did not penetrate the eggs. Clearly, that means they're made of lead. Okay.

So wait, aliens give birth to babies through lead eggs? I don't know. Actually, there are many materials that will block x-rays, but eggshells are not one of them. Yes, right. So, sorry, just to fill in the blanks. Yes. If those were real or biologically recognizable eggs, those should have absorbed the x-ray. Those should have looked like bones.

No, no, x-rays should have gone straight through them. Yeah, sorry. And it would not have shown up as bright in a negative. Those subtle point. Yeah. But I spent a lot of my life being a photographer. Yeah, yeah. I had a dark room developed.

Yeah, yeah. So I have high awareness and sensitivity to the photographic process. So that was a little weird. But he wanted to invite me to investigate them. To inspect them. Yeah, the letter said. And he said, we will pay. And in ways you are accustomed, someone of your rank and privilege.

And we'll give first class accommodations. And I said, thank you for this kind invitation. but I decline because I'm not the one who should be seeing these. You need a biologist, a biochemist. You need someone who has professional understanding of biological tissue, biological forms. It's not about whether I think it's real. It's about whether someone with an expertise to make that judgment can know that it's real. All I know is that your eggs are not made of eggshells.

That's all I can put into this conversation. So, and I said, and in the end, it's not about even what your group says about this. It's take some of the tissue, send it around the world. That's what we did with the Apollo rocks. There were collaborating museums and research labs around the world. The Apollo samples that were brought back were doled out to the world so everyone can see where we had been. That's how science works, especially for an experience. extraordinary claim. Sure. And so that was my reply. So no, I didn't go. Okay. I want to know.

Human Neil deGrasse Tyson, not Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, was human Neil deGrasse Tyson curious? Well, I was suspicious of it. Okay. Again, because you would ask me what, how would I, what alien, what I create? It would not be humanoid. Because if it's not of this planet, why should it look human at all when most life on Earth does not look human? Okay. The plant, behind you doesn't look human. That's a good point. Okay? That's just, and with whom we have DNA in common.

Right. All right. So if you come from another planet with no DNA in common or no DNA at all, to be humanoid, seems to be a creative stretch. Unless. Unless. Unless. So I was skeptical, sufficiently skeptical to say that trip should be taken by someone

with direct expertise. or mummified tissue, for example. Right. Then I would later learn that there was a Peruvian investigator who tested it and said there's some biological tissue in it and others is like paper mache and they put, maybe you don't believe him because it's Peru and maybe there's a... That's disappointing. Paper mashay?

Well, no, so it was exposed as a hoax by this... Peruvian investigate. So maybe Peru and Mexico have a thing. You're saying there might be some dispute between, let's say, the Mexican mummy rangers and the Peruvian authorities. It was a headline. Right. Peruvians are wondering how their mummies ended up in Mexican Congress.

So there's a whole other geopolitical thing going on there, which I didn't fine. Okay. But all I said was it wouldn't work. I'm not the adjudicator here. It's scientists that have that expertise. Yeah. You know how I can adjudicate in one of the Star Wars movies? In fact, Star Wars Episode 7, The Force Awakens.

They take the Death Star, new and improved Death Star. They park it next to a regular star that sucks energy out of that star. Now it can kill eight planets, obliterate eight planets instead of one. Okay. Are you okay with that? No. Because the energy of a star, because the star disappears. Right.

Oh, no. Can destroy 50,000 planets. I knew that movie was a bad idea. Not just eight here and there. So had they gotten the science right? The dark side could have been way more diabolical. And so, yeah, I have the chops to comment on that. There is one more thing I'd like to ask regarding all of the, you know, kind of hubbub, right, surrounding conversations about aliens.

So there is, you know. on Earth. Aliens on Earth. A little bit of, you know, when you look for something, sometimes you find it. But Michi Okaku, who we recently had the pleasure of speaking to. And he's a friend and colleague at the City College of New York. He was recently on the news. He was on Fox News.

And he was talking about, you know, the dozens of missing or dead American scientists over the last, I'm just looking, the last five years or so. 11 scientists over four years. Yeah. Well, that's just in the last four years. So are people looking for something that isn't there and we're finding it? Why are so many, I'm just going to ask, why are so many people who are doing research in this field either dead or missing? Like that's a true thing. Oh, you didn't say that at first.

Yeah. You just said scientists. No. And scientists do die. No, I understand. No, we're talking about people who are working in the, I mean, these are some. This is suspicious. Like, it's just suspicious and it's odd.

So I'm curious, and I feel like you do have authority to speak on this because, you know, be careful what you research. Thank you for being concerned for my health and... That's my veiled threat. I didn't take the time to look at the statistics of those data, but there's someone else who did, and I read what they wrote. So I didn't corroborate this. But what they said was, they looked at how many scientists die every year.

And it's like thousands of scientists die every year. Sure. You can cherry pick that, find some that have overlapping interests, and say they, that there's some, at some point you have to use the word conspiracy here. You can't. I'm not, I'm not Dr. Kakoo. I don't know. So, so I'm not, since I saw something that basically, said it's not statistically odd, but I didn't verify it.

Sure. It's easier for me to think that it's not statistically odd when you look at how many scientists die every year and in what fields they're doing research. Okay. And from what I remembered, again, I'm going my memory of what I read. Some of them did work in this field, but were long retired from that.

So they're not even active in the field. So if someone is sneaking up and snatching away scientists and killing them, like there's a way better list. can come up with than those 11. So in fact, here's another way to ask it, which I do often in the book. People have some conclusion or some hypothesis and say, have you asked these other questions? For example, get 10 people who are UFO enthusiasts to list, or any number of them, to list who were the top 10 people who would be most susceptible to being kidnapped, or any number of them,

kidnapped, killed, or disappeared. If anyone in that list of 10 showed up in that list of missing people, that would be interesting. Then that would be there are people who are especially insiders here and the government just got rid of. To come after the fact, there's something called the sharpshooter, sharpshooter effect. Do you know about this? It's a statistical effect. It's what happened. Do you remember we're old enough here?

in this room to remember people were claiming that high-power, high-tension power lines were causing cancers. Do you remember this? No. Or that cell phones were causing cancers? Do you remember this? Okay, they were related because it was... Okay, got it. Electromagnetic energy caused cancers. So those studies didn't just study all people exposed to electromagnetic energy and look for where cancers would arise. They went... to cancer clusters. Right. And then look to see...

It's an ad hoc. Yeah. If there were extra electromagnetic energy there, which means there might have been places where there was lower cancer risks that had just as high fields that they were embedded in, but they would never show up in the data. Because that's not how they searched the data. It's called the sharpshooter effect. It's called a sharpshooter effect because if you have the side of a barn, I blindfold you, and I say, empty this gun on the side of the barn.

And then I go to where most of your bullets clustered, and then I draw a bullseye around it and say, you have good shot. You know how to shoot straight even when you're blindfolded because you created the target after the data had been established. And so that's, you can fool yourself into thinking something is real that isn't. And so what happened there is they found people who died or were missing, whatever. And, oh, by the way, the people are missing were older, and that can happen, you know, neurologically. Sure. You know, is it once a month I see on the highway? We call them highways back east, not freeways, you know, an alert, silver, what do they call it?

Senior Citizen Alert. Oh, yeah. We're having it right now. Yeah. So it was your older dementia, the person leaves in a car. You and I both just had a stroke. We both died. This is our near-death experience. And we're trying to find the car. So, so. Sundowners? I don't know. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Silver alert. Silver alert. Silver alert. Silver alert. So if none of these are who you would have picked and now that's happening and now you're going to pick them, that's not how you'd analyze data.

All right. Much of do. about nothing. We can check that one off the list. You're safe. I hope. If I go missing tomorrow. This is what I say. When we talk to materialists, I hope that an alien abducts him and gives him the full lowdown on like, you were wrong. Guess what? There's a whole other plane of consciousness. So I wonder, you know, if this will happen to you. Go to the epilogue. Yes. We will be filming your exit from this building so that we're not liable. Go to the epilogue. Yes. Okay. And read the first. I read this to Jonathan.

Read it now. If I ever go missing during a night of observing with my telescope, don't look for me on Earth. Look up to the stars because that's where I'll be with the aliens in their dimension. They'll probably confiscate my smartphone. I won't try to harm them so they may be kind or they might make me their pet sounds scary. And then you go into a very interesting analysis. On Earth, we treat needy pets better than we treat needy humans.

And you go on to describe that. Yeah. So it would be, you know, and then they'd send me back. but I wouldn't have evidence of it other than my testimony. And no one would believe you and you'd see how it feels. And we'd take away your degree.

We would blacklist you. You'd be listening to Grateful Dead smoking weed all day. That's what I said at the end. I said, I will have a hard time convincing people of this. But then I say, maybe, because I'd want to be, they might enable me to visit their science academy. And we trade ideas of technologies and things. So if I can't convince people that what I would do is maybe get some insight into a technology that enables us to visit the stars.

And then based on that, we visit other civilizations, becoming the aliens of their fantasies. We're going to stop down, but there is so much more in part two of our conversation with Neil deGrasse Tyson. We're going to go into some detail about the protocol for the laser experiment to determine if DMT is actually revealing something about reality. Neil's going to tell us about his trip to Antarctica and why he has never done drugs, all that and more in part two. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time. It's my ambiolyx breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two. One fiction.

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