Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - Intuition, Creativity, Auras & Chakras: Are You an Indigo Child?

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

Mayim breaks down the concept of “Indigo children” and the signs that you might be one! She discusses the origins of the “Indigo Child” notion, why it matters, and criticisms of the theory - plus we find out whether or not Jonathan is an Indigo Child! Mayim and Jonathan explain the aura and chakra system theories, and the importance of intuitive individuals to communities.  Play along with Mayim and Jonathan! Find out if you're an Indigo Child here: https://lonerwolf.com/indigo-child/ BialikBreakdown.com YouTube.com/mayimbialik Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There are features of particular children who then grow into adults that are known as indigo children. And these are often kids who don't fit the norm. They're often kids who are particularly sensitive. Sometimes they are sensitive in ways that look like they're just being disobedient because they're so sensitive. And I came to understand this term in a little bit of a broader context. Here are the signs that you're an indigo child. And Jonathan, I'd like you to answer if these describe you. Let's see if you're an indigo child.

Let's do it. As an indigo child, you know that your destiny is to be a paradigm changer or destroyer. Yes, destroyer. Yes, I don't know that I want to destroy as much as change, but sometimes change comes with destroying what exists to make room for something else. I mean, Jonathan, you're so indigo right now. I'm not trying to diagnose you, Jonathan, but I think you're an indigo child.

This feels like a setup. I walked in to an analysis today. You walked in one man, you walked out an indigo child. Maybe this is the divine intervention I needed to understand myself better. The emanation coming through the window is now distracting to your visuals. Can you please? Is that how your indigo child would like to be seen? You know what?

Yes, I would like to be seen like this. And the note from the man in the corporation to conform my visual appearance to regular standards doesn't feel comfortable for me. So I'm going to continue. I'm honoring that you look like you're coming to us through a Dancilion wishweed. Which is where I live all the time. It's my biologics breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. Because you know she knows a thing or two

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And I'm Jonathan Cohen. And if you're watching on video, I have fantastic sun coming in through the window. You can't even plan that. That's just divine intervention right there. You have a glowing countenance about you, as we would say. That's the word countenance. Welcome to a special Thursday breakdown.

This is going to be a fun one. Jonathan, do you know why it's going to be a fun one? Because it's filled with divine intervention? Well, possibly. Are we getting spiritual, Mayan? Are we getting spiritual? We're getting spiritual. But we're getting spiritual today in a way that when I first learned about this concept,

it was not in a spiritual arena. I was first introduced to the concept of indigo children when my kids were little, which was over a decade. Let me guess. Let me take a wild stab. Indigo children are children who have turned blue from drinking colloidal silver. Am I close? You're not close at all. Okay. Tell us what it is. I'm going to introduce the concept of Indigo Child the way that I learned about it. And I'm going to just preface this. This is a warning. This is a warning. I'm not going to say something positive right now because this was the first time that I heard about this concept. Someone had a child that

didn't want to listen to any rules that wanted to make a ruckus, that didn't listen when the teacher spoke to them, that didn't listen when I spoke to them. And the defense that this particular parent, which is not representative of all parents, the defense that this parent had was like, well, he's an indigo child. I was like, what are you talking about? That, sounds like you have a child that doesn't listen to instructions, and you've decided to call it an indigo child. But what I went on to do a little research on back in the old days of the internet when you could look things up and you weren't flooded with all sorts of things that you didn't want to look at, I looked up what an indigo child was, and there are features

of particular children who then grow into adults that are known as indigo children. And these are often kids who don't fit the norm. They're often kids who are particularly sensitive. Sometimes they are sensitive in ways that look like they're just being disobedient because they're so sensitive. And I came to understand this term in a little bit of a broader context.

I will say that I don't believe that my children are indigo children. I think they're special in other ways. But the other negative thing that I would often hear when people would talk about indigo children was it was like, in that era of parenting, it was like, let me make my child the most special child on the planet. Now we have these children who hang out at Arrowon and they have fashionable cowboy hats and, you know, dogs that attack people. All right. Jonathan, if I were to tell you that I have X number of signs that you might have or be an indigo child. How many signs do you think I have?

It's on a website called Loner Wolf. Well, before I answer that question, there was like, like, Indigo children are like generations, right? Like there's, like there was something before Indigo children and then there was something after. Do you know what the progression is? Because, you know, if I have to pick one for myself, I'd like to know what my options are. I think you could be like a dawning of the age of Aquarius child or an indigo child. I don't know. Here it is.

It's hippies, indigos, crystal children, and beyond. Do you belong to one of the five indigo generations? There's multiple generations of indigo. There's the beta generation, the gamma generation, the delta generation, the omega generation, the awakening of the indigo. and that's where it ends. So Jonathan, if I were to tell you that this website, lonerwulf.com, has an article entitled

Blank number of signs of an Indigo Child. How many signs do you think there might be? Are there 25 characteristics of Indigo children? There are 17, and we're going to go through them right now. Break it down. Here are the signs that you're an Indigo child. And Jonathan, I'd like you to answer if these describe, Let's see if you're an Indigo child.

Let's do it. You are a passionate person who will do anything it takes to accomplish your goals or dreams. Even if other people criticize or don't support you, you still keep going no matter what. Are you strong-willed? I am. That also translates to slightly anti-social because I don't like rules. Keep going. We'll get there.

Well, get there. So far, you're an Indigo child. If I had a nickel for every time someone told me this, when I was a child. So maybe I am an indigo child. Number two, you're an old soul. You either feel as though you've lived many lifetimes or you have a wisdom that others your age don't yet have, also known as you were raised in a home with a lot of strife and you've had to negotiate everyone's problems. That'll do it too.

Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. I don't think I had it necessarily when I was young, young, but I don't know. Number three, you're a free thinker. No idea or belief is too holy for you to dissect or reject. You prefer to think for yourself rather than blindly following the crowd. This is the kid who doesn't follow directions. It's because they're a free thinker. Because they know everyone is a little bit full of nonsense.

Yeah, I would say that's accurate. Let's go to number four. You're a headstrong nonconformist. As a child or teenager, you may have been thought of as naughty, obnoxious, disobedient, or contrarian. As an adult, you cannot stand being boxed in or controlled by others. Guilty is charged. Number five, you're a passionate truth seeker.

Truth to you is of primary importance. You're always seeking to distinguish truth and reality from lies and deception. You can tell when someone's lying or hiding something. You'd prefer to suffer from the truth than be happy believing lies. That is accurate. Big time. We're only five in, and I think you're an Indigo child. I'm five for five.

How many do you need out of the 17? I want you to have all of them. Number six, you're perceptive and intelligent. I mean, I don't even need to read the description, Jonathan. You're perceptive and intelligent. Because I'm always trying to see if someone's up to no good. Number seven, you are highly intuitive. Your keen perception makes you highly intuitive.

You can often intuit the best course of action and know things about others that are secret or hidden. I think that's fairly accurate. What do you think? Yes, I absolutely think, one of the things about you is how intuitive you are. Number eight, you want to change the world. Deep in your heart, you feel a driving force to create positive change on this planet.

As an indigo child, you know that your destiny is to be a paradigm changer or destroyer. Yes, destroyer. Yes, I don't know that I want to destroy as much as change, but sometimes change comes with destroying what exists to make room for something else. I mean, Jonathan, you're so indigo right now. Number nine, you're empathetic and compassionate. You care so much about this planet and other people that it often hurts. Your high level of empathy and compassion.

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Number 10, you're a change-making leader. Hmm. Jonathan, would you say that you're a leader? Out of necessity because I don't like current establishment, so I start my own. You find it difficult to obey authority, particularly when that authority is corrupt, illogical, or outdated. You want to offer better, wiser, and healthier ways to live life, making you destined to be a spiritual elder. Just for the record, I've never had a dog that was part wolf, and I was always very

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Public. Number 11, you're idealistic. You have high expectations for yourself and other people. While idealism can be a positive trait, it can also carry disadvantages. I'm not saying you're critical or demanding, but number 11 says you might be. I have been known to like things a certain way

and have quite a standard for how they get achieved. So I am so into where this is going. Number 12, you have a loner or autonomous personality. You don't like to be held down by anyone or anything. You find it difficult to be around too many people at once. Again, this is that child who wouldn't listen to directions and kept running off. Often you prefer to spend time in your own company. Also applicable to me. Again, I've never run off except for the two times that I ran away from home as a child. Otherwise, I was not the child that you describe it, everyone. But yes, that rings true. I do like, you know, more relaxed environments with fewer people.

So, so far, am I my 12 for 12? You're 12 for 12. Number 13. I mean, you're highly creative. You're exceptionally creative. I mean, look at the light shining in through the window. If that's not creative, I don't know what is. your nonconformist brain loves to express itself through art and creativity.

Again, the bad version of this was that child who's like, I won't do your assignment, Ms. Bialik. I'm just going to doodle in the corner. That feels different. That feels like... Oh, he's just an indigo child. No, but you know when you have personality traits and like they can become toxic personality traits, but it depends on how healthy you are? I feel like I'm a healthy expression so far of the 13 characteristics, if I do say on myself. The emanation coming through the window is now distracting to your visuals. Can you please?

Is that how your Indigo child would like to be seen? You know what? Yes, I would like to be seen like this. And the note from the man in the corporation to conform my visual appearance to regular standards doesn't feel comfortable for me. So I'm going to continue. I'm honoring that you look like you're coming to us through a dandelion wishweed. Which is where I live all the time. Okay, fine. Number 14. You have a strong connection with nature and animals. That's so true. Especially dandelion wishweeds. Yes, that's correct.

True story. You prefer to spend your time really celebrating nature. You like to bookend your day with a sunrise and a sunset. You're a huge, hugely connected to dogs. If I can't find you and we're somewhere, I just listen for the nearest dog, and there you are hugging it in a park. I can't deny that. Also, I do like to bridge science and spirituality and my HRV, which is heart rate variability for people who are just tuning in, increases drastically when I spend the whole day outside. Number 15, you're drawn towards spirituality over religion. To you, spirituality is falling in love with the message. religion is the messenger. As an indigo child, you're drawn towards truth in its purest form, not diluted by dogma or fundamentalist teachings.

I mean, 15 for 15 here. This is a... Two more. Number 16, you struggle with boredom, because of your sharp and inquisitive mind, you tend to struggle with routine and conventional structures. As a result of your tendency to get bored easily, this is just, this episode is recording itself.

You may have been misdiagnosed. with ADD or ADHD as a child? I was misdiagnosed. I was just an indigo child. And also, school was very boring. Okay. Well, this leads us to number 17. You are prone to experiencing existential angst.

Existential anxiety and depression go far beyond usual anxiety and depression. This is because it's more concerned with life itself than the self. As an indigo child, you tend to ask questions such as, why do we suffer? What's the meaning of life? Why was I born? Such deep philosophical questions cause you to lose interest in meaningless pursuits carried out by the majority of humanity. Friends, Jonathan Michael Cohen is an indigo grownup. I mean, the last one is so spot on. It's unbelievable. I wonder who doesn't question why they're on this rock spinning through the galaxy. and what does it all mean? Indigo children were first described in the 1970s

by a San Diego parapsychologist, Nancy Ann Tapp, who noticed the emergence of children with an indigo aura, a vibrational color she had never seen before. What is happening, Jonathan? What does this mean? She saw children with, like, a physical aura? Parasycology is the study of alleged psychic phenomenon and other paranormal claims, for example,

those related to near-death experiences, synchronicity, clairvoyance, and telekinesis. Do you have an indigo aura around you? If anyone's watching this, clearly I do. Although that is the sun, technically not my aura. If anyone's an aura reader out there, DM us on Instagram, let me know how my aura is on a normal basis if you see it as blue.

Also, I put on a blue shirt today for this episode. I didn't know what the subject of this episode was going to be, I never wear blue. If you look back through all the episodes that we've done, maybe 120 plus episodes, maybe I'm wearing blue one other time. I could be wrong, but mostly I'm in black or gray, sometimes white. My question to you, though, Dr. Bialik, tell us more about where this came from and why it matters and what people should gain from this by knowing more about it. So there was a book that was written about children who share traits like high IQ, acute intuition, self-confidence, resistance to authority and disruptive tendencies, and many are misdiagnosed as having ADD or ADHD. The book, The Indigo Children, The New Kids Have Arrived, was published by Lee Carroll and Jan Tober.

And it was published in the late 90s. And what this book talks about is it's a guide for, quote, parents of unusually bright and active children. Again, I'm still thinking of that kid who didn't follow directions. And this book talks about, you know, that many children are overmedicated. Schools are not creative enough, especially for bright students. And children need more time and attention from their parents. And this is a trend that I guess is being seen in kind of these.

these indigo children. To skeptics, the concept of indigo children belongs in the realm of wishful thinking and new age credulity. Quote, all of us would prefer not to have our kids labeled with a psychiatric disorder, but in this case, it's a sham diagnosis as a research professor of psychiatry

at SUNY Syracuse. But I think that, you know, this is one of those things in its original iteration in the 70s that came from a very different time in our culture when we were kind of more open to these kinds of things.

But Jonathan, you know, I know you don't hold a doctorate in this, but can you explain just so like we can know, what does it mean to say that someone has any aura at all, much less an indigo one? What's an aura? You know, the skeptics listening are going to say, what are you freaking talking about? There's no such thing as aura.

But if we take a step back and we think about the hardcore scientists that have been on our podcast, podcast so that it's not coming from me, Jonathan Cohen, the creative who likes to write and you know, do art and doesn't have a doctorate in anything. Indigo Child. Sure. Now I'm going to add that to my email signature.

If we go back to the Dr. Neal Thies episode, where he describes to us in detail that everything around us, everything that we are is a collection of energy. and if we think about the Michael Singer episode, even if we think about Andrew Huberman, there's a kinetic energy in our bodies that takes many form and forms. Our brain produces and functions on energy. We know that our thoughts, for example, impact how we feel

and even the functioning of our immune system. and it goes a step further than that. Chinese medicine knows that there are energy pathways in the body. They call them meridians. And outside of the body, there is a presence around us. Our energy that our body creates doesn't stop at the boundary of our skin. If you hold your hands next to someone's or next to each other, there is a vibration that happens. There's something that happens when we anticipate things or when you sit next to someone and your shoulders are almost touching.

There's a vibration that happens between our bodies. And so what it's described as is our external body, just as we have an internal body. We have an external energy body. And that is also impacted by our health, the vitality of our physical body and our immune system and the Krebs cycle. how we're generating energy, and it doesn't stop inside. There's a mirrored system that is outside. Some people claim to be able to see this. Some people claim to be able to sense it. And some people claim that it has a variety of different colors, textures, or qualities to it. My understanding is that, so just like there's a chakra system, right? We good with this conversation?

there's a chakra system. And there's seven of them, right? And they have colors that are associated with them. So it goes like red from your anus, red, orange, yellow, green, blue. Typically, indigo is third eye, correct? And then the seventh usually is the crown. They usually talk about it as white. So my understanding is that for there's a corresponding what's called an oric body that corresponds to each of those colors and they come off of you in those colors. So it goes like red is the closest and it goes like red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or indigo purple. And they have different names. There's the etheric body. There's the emotional body. There's the mental body, the astral body, the etheric template, the celestial body, and the causal body. This is fascinating to me.

So to talk about an indigo aura, that would be, in theory, that there are people who believe that they can perceive something that is emanating surrounding clarity. And that third, that sixth chakra, that's what the indigo people are. They resonate there. Well, what, so let's take a step back to all the people who are, you know, not even open to the idea of chakra systems. Let's bring people along who are maybe our more hardcore science fans. And if you are one of those people and you're like, what did Dr. Mind Bialik just talk about chakras for? Go back and listen to the Neil Thees episode. I think you will be blown away,

especially by the later half of that conversation where he does talk about energy. But do you want to speak at all about this notion of chakra systems to those people who are maybe in like, I don't know, that sounds a little woo for me? You know, the meridian system is one of the most scientifically understandable ways to think about what Chinese medicine has understood for thousands of years. And that is that there are, you know, there are places in the body where essentially things come together. And they're kind of super highways of cellular movement, of oxygen movement.

You know, oxygen isn't just like a thing. it's carried in molecules and it's transported throughout your body. And what we know from people who work in the meridian system, which mirrors the fascist system that Dr. Neil Thies identified, we know that there are essentially intersection points in the body. And they often correspond to organ systems or emotional systems. So the chakra system, you know, the first one is the, it's at the root, it's your anus. And, you know, look to Freud for discussion of anal retentiveness. And, you know, that is a, it's a powerful center. It's a center that a child sort of is first understanding how to control literally, like the things that come out of them and the things that

they keep in, right? So that's that system. The second system is your genital region. That's the color orange. And when you meditate, you can meditate all the way up and you can focus on certain ones. And we all, it doesn't take anyone of any spiritual or religious leanings to know that the genital system has power. It has a lot of nerves in that region that mean a lot of things. The third chakra up is your kind of solar plexus. It's your gut. If anyone's ever gotten an upset tummy from being nervous about something, it's because you hold in your stomach, meaning you hold emotion there. We know that. Next going up is your heart. And again, you don't need to be a religious

person. You don't need to be an indigo child to know that when you feel pain in your heart, it's a real thing. You know, we've heard about broken heart syndrome as actually something that literally, you know, science is starting to acknowledge as a thing. But the notion of opening up your heart that's associated with the color green. The next system is your throat chakra, which, again, Again, think of how every culture talks about finding your voice, what role singing has historically, you know, for all human cultures. It's also where your thyroid is, which, again, is an innervation of a tremendous amount of importance and a really, really important, you know, gland that is your throat. There's a lot of science also showing that humming, chanting, singing has a huge positive effect. It stimulates the vagal nerve.

And it has a huge, a positive, a physical impact on the rest of our body and the reduction of our stress hormones. For each of these systems, there's absolutely legitimate science that supports how to strengthen that part of you, how to support that part of you. And yeah, the throat chakra is one of the most interesting because it has significance. You know, you can vibrate literally, like you're vibrating this aspect of you that does stimulate, you know, the parasympathetic nervous system. And the sixth chakra, like the third eye, you know, this has been the place that yogis and mystics have meditated and focused on, you know, for thousands and thousands of years. And in Kundalini Yoga, even when our eyes are closed, we are gazing up towards that place. The notion is that is, it's your brain. I mean, like in simple terms,

in layperson's terms, it's your brain. It's clarity. It's where we hope to get clarity from. And then the most, you know, I think obscure chakra, you know, the crown chakra, the one that, you know, is closest to the heavens, as it were, which, you know, also has, all of these things have Kabbalistic connections, you know, and in Kabbalah, it is, it's called the crown is the highest emanation of, you know, a divine presence. You know, that one is sort of your connection to everything that you can't explain, everything that you can't know, everything that is not necessarily linked to an organ, system, a meridian system. So that's the one that's kind of like, who knows, it's white light, it's sparkly, like, I don't know. It's also a connection to something beyond ourselves. And as Neil talks about that, we are a part of a larger system. Dr. Gabor Matte also talks about how we are part of a larger system. And to think about ourselves only as the, you know, skin and bones that surround us is naive because it removes our interconnection to the environment.

around us. And what I know to be true, to bring this kind of back to the topic of this episode, what I know to be true is I don't need to believe in oras or know if you have an indigo aura coming off of you. I think this is a really interesting designation for a lot of people. And I also love that it opens up this possibility of, gosh, there's so many things that, let's say, the 1970s brought us that maybe didn't make sense to a lot of people. But this aspect was a little bit of foresight in terms of saying, what if there are certain types of people who maybe weren't allowed to even be themselves this way? But maybe they're not just people that we need to diagnose, box in, you know, try and make listen to Miss Bialik when she's trying to, you know,

tell you to put your shoes on. It's time to come inside. But maybe there is something to, you know, really expanding our consciousness and our awareness. And, you know, it honestly, it makes me, you know, think of people like you, Jonathan, with more compassion and understanding. Because I didn't know how many of the 17 signs of Indigo Child you were going to have. I did not know you'd have all 17. So it makes me feel like, gosh, whoever's doing their research on this website, they've kind of, they got your number. They've got your Indigo number.

They've been following me around. I don't know that my aura, for example, is all blue versus maybe I'm a, blue forward. When you talked about the different characteristics of the external energy bodies, maybe it's like, oh, just like someone is left-handed, right-handed, or they have a tendency to be more introverted or extroverted. Maybe I have a tendency to be more blue-centric. Huh. Is that like conceptual? Well, I don't know that anyone, for example, if, you know, we're saying oras are real and they have multiple fields, I don't know that anyone's entire aura system if there are multiple parts of it becomes all blue versus their blue

dominant as a tendency. What do you think of these characteristics mean? You know, when the psychiatrist said, oh, you know, these are an inaccurate diagnosis. I don't think these are diagnosis. That's why I talk about tendencies, you know, because for me, it's like, oh, do I understand myself differently by the list of those 17 characteristics? I mean, they all wrap together nicely as a collection of things that I experience. I think that a lot of, you know, a lot of people who maybe are diagnosed as highly sensitive people would probably also relate to a lot of the aspects of being an indigo child. I think that people who may be in touch with things from other realms, people who have

either psychic experiences or intuition, you know, in many cultures, those people, people would be shamans historically. And in our culture, you know, it's obviously, you know, cause for worry, you know, especially in conventional circles. I don't know. You know, I'm not that kind of expert or doctor. But the notion that there may be people who have access to different things and that it is, it's an element of personality that deserves a place and not a correction, I think is really important. And, you know, I think we needed the 1970s to sort of start that expansion. But I just, I don't know. I think you should only wear blue from now on. I will only wear blue from now on, except for when I wear gray and black. And I also think that there

are, you know, some of these terms come up and they're like an evolution of these terms. And they, you know, some of these types of psychologists talk about the evolution of the types of children that are arriving and they believe that there's a larger plan in place to help the evolution of consciousness on the planet. I don't know about all of that. I do like to believe that we're here for some sort of purpose and that we're collectively working together. And if some of these ideas are a part of how we do that for the betterment of everyone that's spinning on this rock, then maybe that's okay. Absolutely. And there's a lot of challenging features to indigo children, meaning can be very challenging for them or for their parents.

But when I think about all of the incredible signs that you in particular resonated with, I think that, you know, people who are spiritually inclined outside of dogmatic religious structure, I think people who are in touch with nature, I think people who are in touch with themselves, I think people who, you know, paint outside of the lines, people who are creative and intuitive, I think those are really incredible qualities. And I think if you can get through your childhood without being misdiagnosed or maybe medicated for something you don't need, I think you're going to turn out to be a really awesome indigo adult like Jonathan. All right.

Well, if nothing else, Jonathan, we discovered that you are a bona fide indigo adult and you are very special. If anyone listening was following along and diagnoses themselves as an indigo adult or child, let us know. Tag us on Instagram Appiolic Breakdown. I especially want to hear from people who were 17 out of 17. I want to know who you are

and are you forming a cult with Jonathan? Not a cult, a group by a volunteer only. There's no coercion. It was just an affinity of awesome. From our Thursday breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

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