Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - PART TWO: Doctors Called It Divine Intervention! Anita Moorjani’s Near-Death Experience, Unexplainable Cancer Recovery & Her Message of Hope

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Cancer Put Her in a Coma. She Survived. Her Near Death Experience Changed Everything. Mayim Bialik's Breakdown delves into Anita Moorjani’s (renowned author, TedX speaker & self-help spiritual speaker) mind-blowing near-death experience (NDE) story and how it completely transformed her cancer, her path to healing & spiritual awakening, and how it changed the way she viewed life after death. Before her miraculous cancer recovery, Anita opens up like never before about the emotional toll of escaping an arranged marriage, her belief that neglecting her own needs while caring for others may have contributed to her cancer, and why living out of alignment with your true self can be toxic (and even deadly). Her integration journey post-NDE wasn’t easy. Friends and family treated her like the same person — but she had touched something far greater than this world, and she couldn’t go back. Anita Moorjani also breaks down: - Her belief that heaven is not a place, but a state of being - How we’re all eternally connected — past, present, and future - Why intuition, self-love, & authenticity are the real medicine we've all been missing - How you’re likely manifesting wrong - How Ayurveda and naturopathic healing deeply resonated with her healing journey - Difference between unconditional love (the kind people experience during NDEs) and earthly love - Why deepening your intuition starts with radical self-confidence - How letting go of what isn’t authentically you is the key to ultimate healing This is not just a story about cancer — it's a wake-up call about life, death, spiritual awakening and the power of living as your truest self. Tune in to MBB now if you’ve ever felt stuck, afraid, disconnected, or if you’ve ever wondered what really happens after we die. The Anita Moorjani Sanctuary: ⁠https://www.amsanctuary.com/⁠ The 10th Anniversary Edition of Anita Moorjani’s memoir, Dying to Be Me: ⁠https://a.co/d/aRJDs7Q⁠ Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, I'm Myambiolic. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation with Anita Mourgiani. This next section gets real. It's unimaginable some of the details that she describes next. If you haven't heard part one, please do. Anita Mourjani was diagnosed with cancer, had a four-year battle with cancer. She was at stage four terminal diagnosis.

Her organs failed. She was less than 90 pounds, was given hours to live. and she all of a sudden found herself no longer in her physical body. Her consciousness had left her body and she was experiencing things that were happening outside of the room that her body was even in, which are documented. In addition, it was revealed to her in her near-death experience, why she got cancer, what she was supposed to learn from the experience, and how she knew that she actually could heal. We left off part one when she literally was floating in this space,

experiencing unconditional love. We didn't know how she was going to get back into her body, but she does. And part two will explore everything that happened to her from the moment she opened her eyes to being released from the hospital, the doctors being unable to isolate where her cancer had gone, and also what she ultimately learned from her near-death experience and what she can impart to all of us. This is part two of our conversation with the author of Dying to Be Me, Anita Mourjani. So what you're describing is a place that I would never want to leave. Yes.

But the reason that you eventually returned your consciousness to your body is because you were told something very specific by this power that you were experiencing about what was going to happen to you. This to me is like it's the most unreal part of this story. what were you told about what would happen if you went back? So I was told that my purpose hadn't been completed yet, and I still had some things to do. I had some things to experience.

So at first, as I said, I really didn't want to come back because I reached this point that was like I was given the choice whether to come back or not. And no part of me wanted to come back, but it was like I was being coaxed to come back, not forced, but gently nudged. And that's when I was told, now that you know the truth of who you really are,

your body will heal very quickly. Anita, this sounds crazy. I know. You had stage 4B terminal cancer. I don't care what you're experiencing. How did you believe that you could heal from that after being able to see that you were in a coma and you had nothing else physiologically to support yourself with.

It was, you know, just being in that state, it was like a realization. It's like, it's like waking up. It really was like waking up. It's like, oh my gosh. And literally the message was, now that you know the truth of who you really are. And every part of me, like I wanted to to know, do I have to do anything? No, just live your life fearlessly. That's it. I mean, we have to take a pause here because I believe you. First of all, I believe you. I'm into it. But, you know, of all the NDE's that I've learned about, and we've had Jeffrey Young on, we've had a lot of the people that you have gotten to interact with, and we've spoken to so many people, I don't know that I've heard, you know, such a dramatic promise coming from the awareness

of consciousness that you experienced. Also, a lot of people get told it's time to go back and then they fight it, right? They're like, I really like it here. I don't want to go back. Did you have a push and pull? It doesn't sound like you needed a signing bonus to return. There was a little bit of a push and pull. But the next piece of the message was that my husband, Danny, so your husband, Danny's and your purpose is linked. If you don't go back, he can't complete his purpose either. Oh, Danny. I know, right? Danny got to come back for Danny. So, so that's when I decided to come back. It wasn't like you're going, because we've heard other people say, I want to stay here and they're like, nope, you're.

You're going back. For you, you had a choice. I had a choice, but I was being encouraged to come back. Yeah. It was like I had suffered enough. And now, and there was a lot I had learned from the suffering. Now was the time to put it into practice. Just by being your magnificent self, it's that, right? I mean, that was the equation. That was the equation.

What is the moment of choice and what does it, practically look like when your soul is returned to your body? So even before I made the choice to come back, I was shown some scenes of, it was like I was made aware of some scenes of my future, which seemed really unrealistic to me. Were you sitting here with us? I know, right? I saw you in my NDE. So I had a nickel for every time I heard that, Anita. And I'm so glad I wrote about it back then in 2006. It's on Jeffrey Long's website that I wrote about it then because it really did pan out. Because the scenes were of me speaking to large audiences.

Now, me at that time, I've never been a speaker, never been an author. I've always been someone who was quite shy, people-pleaser. I am the last person to be standing on stage speaking to hundreds, thousands of people. What else did you see? I saw I was going to be touching people, but I had no clue what I was going to be talking to people about. I saw myself fully healthy.

I saw myself traveling the world, which had always been my dream, having a lot of freedom and my husband, Danny and I, being together, doing a lot of things together. But I still didn't know what my purpose was. In other words, I didn't know what am I talking about when I'm on stage? What am I traveling the world for? What am I doing? I did not know. And the message was it'll unfold as long as you just be yourself fearlessly. That's it. That's all I needed to know. Okay. So how did we get back into our body? So then when I made, I thought, okay, I'll go back into my body. Was there a contract when you say, okay, does it just like miraculously happened?

You were like, okay, you have five more minutes. Soke it up. Like, what's the, what's, I'm just interested in the technical aspect of what happens there. So time isn't linear, which is, so when I share the story back, I mean, I always have to put it into a sequence. but it was like whatever I put my attention on, that's what was going on. And so what it feels like looking at it now is that as soon as I decided, okay, I will go back because I have all this cool stuff, this exciting stuff waiting for me. And it felt like the minute I made that decision, my physical eyes started to open on my body, but I wasn't all together in my body yet.

physical eyes were opening, but I was still groggy. I was partly there. I was partly here. And my family were around me and they were surprised. They said, oh, wow, she's opening her eyes and I could see them, but I was really groggy. And my brother was there. He'd made it from India. And then I just started to say, dad is here. I started to say things like that. And then I started to say, I'm going to be fine. It's not my time. I'm not going to die. I'm going to be fine. So my family were wondering, what's going on? What did she experience? They called the doctor. And this doctor had only come on duty that morning. I had never seen him. What a morning for that doctor. I had never seen him before I went in the coma in my life. But he had come in and he had taken

fluid out of my lungs that morning. So you had experienced him not before the coma. No. You experienced seeing him when you were in the coma and then this is the dude that comes in. Yes. This is the dude, the same guy that was still on duty. And you said to him, you're the one. Yeah, I said, good afternoon, Dr. Chan. He goes, how do you know my name? And I said, aren't you the one that took fluid out of my lungs this morning? And he said, you couldn't possibly know that. You were in a coma. Well, that. The world's not the way you think it is. They didn't teach you this in med school. Yes.

So he couldn't, he didn't know what to make of it. He tried to shake it off. And then he said, he then said to my family, she's still critical. Don't get your hopes up. Sometimes people go in and out. And you're like, bitches, I'm back. Love it. You are trilingual, correct?

Yes. Because you spoke. Cantonese? Cantonese, because you were from hungrizzles. Yes. You spoke English because of your school. Yes. And what did you speak with your family? It's Sinli, which is a dialect, an Indian dialect. What language did all of this happen in? It actually happened in English because of my British education, I tend to read and write in English. So the cognitive aspects of the, obviously there was so much sensory experience that didn't have a language.

Love does not have a language, but that's fascinating. Okay, sorry, go back. We're in our body. Eyes are open. Dr. Chan is losing his mind. Yes, he was really losing his mind. So he said, don't get your hopes up to your family. Yes. You're still critical. I mean, you still have no muscles, right? Nothing. You're still less than 90 pounds. Yes. You're exactly the way that you were. Yes. Except now you've been in a coma. So physiologically, your body has shut down in a way that also has consequences. What happens next? Yeah. So after he tells my family, don't get your hopes up. And, And he actually said, because when I start saying these things, he said it must be the meds messing with her mind. If I had a nickel for every time someone said that. So he leaves the room. And I start saying to my family, I keep saying to them, I'm going to be fine. It's not my time. They can actually take the tubes out.

And my family are trying to calm me down. And then I said to Danny, I said that, Isn't it interesting that the doctor said to you that I'm not even going to make it through the night? And that's when he said, how could you possibly have heard that? That was said outside the room down the hallway at the nurse's station. I said, I saw the doctor, and I described the doctor, I described everything to him. He couldn't believe it. That's when he realized something had happened.

And then I said to them, I actually said to my family, my organs are going to be functioning again. I said, I know they said my kidneys have stopped functioning, but my kidneys are going to be fine. And a few hours later, because the doctor, when he had come in, he took some tests, a few hours later. They're not a test for what Anita went through. They came in, and so one of the first pieces of news they gave us

was, your kidneys are functioning. We don't know what to make of it. And I don't know what got into me. and I said, oh, I already knew that. You know, I was surprised that they were surprised. So then after about three or four days, we... You moved to the ICU, correct? Yes.

I wanted to sit up, and I wanted them to take the tubes out. I wanted to eat. I started asking for Belgian chocolate ice cream, and I hadn't eaten chocolate or sugar. Dairy and chocolate and sugar. That was the first thing I wanted to eat. So my poor husband went out in search of... I scream.

Are you in pain at this point? What's the pain difference between when you went into the coma and returning? The pain was dramatically less. Even though I had these open skin lesions, they were cleaning the wounds. The pain was dramatically less because mentally I was feeling euphoric. I wanted to listen to music. I wanted to sit up. I wanted to pull all the tubes out.

Patients started complaining that Anita's partying too loud. you please move her. Yes. She said she felt like a child. She was like eating ice cream, listening to music, wanted to laugh. Yeah. And they had to move me because I was a disruption in the ICU.

But you weren't delirious. I wasn't delirious. I remember. I was euphoric. I was euphoric that, oh wow. So in that time, life made sense to me all of a sudden. I understood why I was here, why I was back. It was light.

Life wasn't heavy the way it was before the near-death experience, where I realized I don't have to work so hard and please everybody. So I was euphoric. And then the tumors started shrinking before our eyes, and the doctors didn't even know what to make of it. Dr. Chan, the one who was freaking out, he actually made this gesture of wanting to throw my medical records into the trash. She said, I don't even know what to write in here for you.

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And now you're breathing in lungs that were full of plura. Like they were full of fluids so much that you couldn't even be laid down. So the body seems to be doing something. Yes. The biggest question is what happened to the tumors? So they actually did start shrinking. What? And within three days, they were able to notice it even just.

visually and to the touch. Within four or five days, they didn't even need a scan, just x-rays showed they had shrunk by about 60, 70 percent. And then they were waiting for me to get stronger. Now, they told me that the open skin lesions I had, I had two open skin lesions, they said, these won't heal on their own. They'll need reconstructive surgery because your body doesn't have the nutrition to heal them. They heal. on their own. They healed on Belgian chocolate ice cream. They did. What they healed on. How long did that take to heal the areas that were open wounds? So they had to regularly disinfect and rebandage those areas. So it took a total of about four or five weeks for the wounds to completely close up and seal.

I'm not a cancer doctor, but seeing the tumors shrink in three to four days at 60% is unheard of. No, I know. And that's why they could not explain it. They could not believe it. And they were waiting for me to get stronger to do the biopsies, because the biopsies was what was going to tell them. So first, they were waiting to do a bone marrow biopsy, which is very painful. And at stage 4B, you should be able to detect it at the bone marrow. Yes, absolutely. But there was no trace. of cancer in the bone marrow. But even more so is that when the tumors disappeared, they said we still want to do a lymph node biopsy just to make sure. God love Western medicine. Yes. So they sent me to the radiologist. The radiologist is supposed to mark up a lymph node, which then the surgeon biopsies, removes to have biopsied. So I go to the radiologist and he is looking at, and my scans from the day I went into the coma and he's looking at me and he's looking at the scans

and I hear him he doesn't know I speak Cantonese he's speaking in Chinese he's calling the department that keeps the records and says I think you sent me the wrong scans this is not the patient I have here she does not have all those tumors I kind of want you to say it in Cantonese I want to hear what you heard okay keep going Then the department says, no, that's the right patient. That's her name. Check or tag. This is the one. So then he calls my oncologist and tells the oncologist, this has just happened.

And the oncologist tells him, I don't care, just find a lymph node to biopsy. And he says, I can't even find a lymph node that suggests cancer. But still, he's forced to biopsy a lymph node. So he still marks one, which then gets surgically removed and, of course, comes back with nothing. Of course. Yeah. I have some empathy for these doctors because this is going in the face of everything they understand to be the reasonable protocol. Right?

So, like, they're obviously totally confused. You're on the other side being like, what's wrong with you, people? How come you didn't get the download? Yes, that's exactly. I should be out of here. So I assume you want to leave, right? Yes. And you want to be done with this and you're like, I'm going to turn my back on a hospital and never go back. Yes. And they have to, of course, do some due diligence to avoid malpractice. Yes. And so you're in this bind here where they don't understand you. You don't understand them. How do we get out? How do you get yourself discharged? So in the end, I just let them do what they have to. do. I let them go through it because I knew they weren't going to find anything. And during that time, while I'm there, I'm trying to just build up my strength and eat more because the other thing they said is your body is so frail. We're not letting you out until you hit 95 pounds or they

gave me a weight I had to hit. I mean, what a dream. Gaining weight like on deliberately with ice scream and being told by a doctor you need to gain weight. Are you walking at the time? Are you starting to be able to move more? Like, how are you physically? So I was still weak, but I was starting to walk. I was still starting to move more, gain some energy on my legs. I was practicing on the stairs and the stairwell at the hospital. So I was using that time to just gain energy. And every day I was just getting stronger and stronger. And even the doctors, the nurses were amazing. They were cheering for me. They were crying for me. They were laughing for me. They were amazing. And they were just so happy that I was

healing because everybody thought I was going to die. About I think it was a month and six days after you went into the coma, you were released from the hospital. And a week later, you were dancing and drinking champagne on your birthday. Yes, I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. still super skinny and frail, but I was. That's when you should be dancing and drinking champagne. So a week after you were discharged from the hospital on your birthday. Yes, I was discharged on March 9th. It was my birthday on March 16th. You're dancing. You've had this euphoric realization. You've basically broken the medical system. They don't know what to do with you. Also, the euphoria has continued.

It has, but I struggled integrating. You've beaten death. You've had this out-of-body experience. You've been sent back to Earth. You've been told you're going to be traveling the world. You've been given the vision of what your life is going to look like. You've been told and you've actually woken up and seen that you don't have to live with fear. But now that you're out of the hospital and you're back in everyday life, how do you integrate it?

how much of that experience stays with you and how do you start to build the life that you have now? So that's where it gets more challenging as we move forward. So when I come out of the hospital, I'm still euphoric and I'm still feeling very connected. Everything looks really beautiful. Even all the same old scenery, the same old places, my same old apartment, it just looks amazing and beautiful. everything looks so fresh. It's like I'm looking at everything through new eyes and I have this second lease on life. And also what was amazing was seeing all my old friends and my community again. I remember some of my friends, they cried when they saw me because they said, we never thought we'd see you again when you went into the hospital. And we were talking to your husband and yeah, literally they were all waiting for me to die. So I remember walking in. into a room one day shortly after coming out of the hospital and walking to a venue into a room. And a couple of people just cried. Their jaw dropped and they just cried. And I was very

touched by that because these were people who I've loved and lived in this community for so long. But as time went on, I started to notice that I'm not the same person I used to be. That's when it became hard because everybody else still knew the person I was before. And that's a challenge. And I realized, for example, I didn't want to go and work at a regular job like I used to. It didn't seem like something I wanted to do with my life. I, you know, things like sitting in traffic, what a waste of time. I'd rather be out looking at the sky or out in nature or sitting on a beach or eating ice cream. So every minute I just wanted to relish and cherish. But none of my friends were doing that. They were all in their jobs commuting. I never wanted to commute on the subway

anymore because who wants to be packed like sardines every day just to go to a mundane job. So I just couldn't fit in anymore. And I started to actually feel lonely after that. little while. And I didn't know what to do with myself because I thought, I don't want a job. It just feels so mundane. And then that's when Danny encouraged me to just write, write for myself. And so I did. I just, he said, write what happened to you. Describe what you're feeling. Don't write it for a blog or a book. Just write for yourself, cathartic, make it cathartic. So I did. I just wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote and it was long. And I didn't even know that what I had was a near-death experience. I would not have given it a label or a name. I just wrote what happened. And then it felt good to write and I kept adding to it. Then one day my brother sent me a link to a website called N-D-E-R-F. Atkins.org. Yes. Jeffrey Longsite. Yes. And when he sent that to me, it blew my mind. I started to read some of the stories and these, they were calling them near-death experiences. And I thought, oh my gosh, I relate to this. I relate to this. So as I looked through the site and I read a couple of them. And then it said, have you had an experience yourself. And it said, click here if you have to submit your stories. I clicked there. And it asked questions. I answered all the questions. Then it said, if you have more, copy and paste it here. Boy, did I have more.

What I had typed up, if I had typed it on, if I had printed it on paper, it would have been 20 pages, single line spacing. So I copied and pasted that whole thing in. And then once I hit submit, the screen said, please allow three weeks for us to get back to you. Within hours, Jeffrey Long reached out to me. And he said, oh my gosh, that is such a remarkable experience. So he asked me some questions about the illness. he asked me about my medical records. So I shared a lot of information with him.

And he also confirmed that I should not be alive. And then he asked my permission to share my story on the home page of his website. But he said he was not going to put my full name. I said, yes, please don't use my full name, just Anita M's N-D-E. So that was just a few months after this had happened. And unbeknownst to me, it started to go viral. And on that is where it actually says that I will be speaking. I see myself speaking to thousands before it happened.

Like literally, months after I had this experience, it went viral. And then Wayne Dyer discovered it. Somebody brought it to his attention. And Wayne Dyer took it to Hayhouse, his publishers, and said, you have got to track this woman down. get her to write a book and publish it and I will write the forward. I will promote her. And so Hayhouse tracked me down. They told me I was really difficult to track down because there was no email address, no last name, just said Anita M's NDE. But with the clue that it was Hong Kong,

they somehow found me. And I got an email from Hay House from the chief editor. And it was my birthday. It was again. And the email said, I'm the chief editor at Hay House and Wayne Dyer has discovered your story and has brought it to our attention and we would like to invite you to write a book which we will publish. I read that email and I started crying and I thought, oh, this is the door starting to open to what I saw. And then after, so first I wrote back and I said, I said, is this a scam? And she wrote back right away. And she said, no, this is for real.

And anyway, they made the process really easy for me. And then before my book was even published, Hayhouse invited me to come to Los Angeles, to Pasadena, to speak at an event, a Wayne Dyer event, where I stood on stage, and there were 3,000 people in front of me, and I started to shake because that was the scene I saw and I couldn't believe it. And that's when Wayne Dyer said to me, why are you shaking? Are you scared? I said, yeah, I've never spoken in front of 3,000 people before.

He said, but you've been dead and back. What have you got to be scared about? And I said, actually being dead is easier than public speaking. Yes, and here I am. There's kind of three things that you talk about. that I wonder if you could outline for us. You know, we often ask people, what would you impart to people, you know, based on your experience? And this undue love and intuition. When anything goes wrong in our lives, when we get sick or if we failed at something or we have stuff going on in our lives that's stressing us out,

the first thing we do or the first thing we ask ourselves is, what am I doing? doing wrong? What can I do differently? What more can I do? What is it I'm missing? What can I learn? What can I read? What can I take for it? What if the answer is not in doing more, but in actually doing less or undoing? I usually use the analogy. I like analogies because they help me to explain things. I use the analogy of Michael Angelo. And when Michael Angelo was asked how he carves these beautiful statues of angels from these blocks of stone, he says, the angel is already there. I just chip away until I set the angel free. That's really what we're being called to do most of the time. It's about letting go of what is not you so that you can set yourself free. It's not about doing more, adding more,

being more, researching more. It's about letting go of what is not you. So that's the undo. talking, talk about love. The way that we have come to understand it in the physical is actually conditional because people fall in and out of love. And that means it's conditional. It means if you're not fulfilling my needs, I eventually stop loving you. And so when I describe love in the other realm,

I always say unconditional love. But technically, if it's conditional, it's not love. love has to be unconditional. And so when I experienced that realm, what I realized is that in our purest form, when I crossed over, I left behind not only my physical body, I left behind my gender, my culture, my beliefs, I left behind all the baggage I had accumulated over a lifetime. I left everything behind. And the only thing that crossed over was my pure essence or pure consciousness.

To me, that is pure love. Pure consciousness, pure essence is the same as pure love. And that love is the unconditional love. And that's who you are at your essence. That's who you truly are. And when you set that free, that is the you that now. navigates the world, this beautiful essence that is just unconditional love. So whether somebody's

being hateful or mean, it shouldn't affect who you are. You're still love at your core, at your essence. And that's what unconditional love is. And can you talk about what it looks like to deepen your intuition because that's something that you talk about you weren't really aware of and in many cases you pushed aside your intuitive abilities. You believe that we all have them. Yes, we do. We are all intuitive, but we have repressed it. I believe our intuition is as strong as our other five senses. We are actually multisensory beings, but we have repressed everything beyond the five senses. And I believe that babies are born, are born intuitive. They know when their mother comes into the room. Look at our animals. Our animals know when we're nearing, when we're nowhere in sight,

but they know it's their intuition. Animals know to get out of harm's way. There's no reason for us to not be without that. That's actually our birthright. But we have actually repressed it since we were born. And one way to actually learn to become more intuitive is to hone that muscle, because it's like a muscle. If you haven't used it your whole life, it starts to atrophy. So to hone that muscle, you have to first be aware that you have it. You have to be aware without a doubt you have it. The only reason you're not feeling it is because you haven't used that muscle. And then you can start to practice things. There are many exercises and tests, but the more that you have, the more that you actually love yourself and have confidence in yourself, the higher your intuition, the better

your intuition. The more that you load yourself and feel shame for yourself and are constantly judging yourself, the less you rely on your intuition, therefore the less you use that muscle and therefore the less powerful it is. Let's describe a little bit the mechanism that's happening because what you're saying has been repeated and so many guests have agreed with you and in our experience we also agree with you. What's important, I think, for people to understand

is that the self-loathing, the doubt, the fear, it actually gets in the way of intuition because intuition is a frequency that you have to have a level of calm, peace, understanding and trust in the process of yourself and in life for you to hear. Yes, 100%. And fear is a frequency that is like the air conditioner vibrating so loudly that it pulls your attention away and makes you unable to shift into the vibration of intuition.

If intuition comes to us in either felt sense or a heard sense or just a knowing, we can't actually tap into that if I'm constantly in a, oh, I should. should have done this or I should have done that. Our rational mind is taking up so much space that we're not able to follow what would be sometimes subtle, sometimes loud, but often subtle little knowing of, oh, I don't want to go to this direction. I'm going to go to the other direction and then you bump into someone and, you know, a lot of synchronous synchronicity happens in that way when we're not being pulled off track. Yes. So you've actually articulated that very, very well. So the more that you do trust yourself, the more that you start to actually be on the same frequency as your intuition.

Because if you look at our pets, our dogs, they don't second guess themselves. They don't doubt themselves. They don't have questions about, you know, they don't feel shame. So yes, you're absolutely correct in that. I think it's important because a lot of people have heard shame, fear, they don't help you access these. And they're like, they might be like, okay, I understand that. But like, why? Why can't I? For me, I don't really register anything until I understand the mechanism behind it.

Because then I'm like, oh, my mind is racing. I'm beating myself up. And I'm like, I'm actually blocking the thing that I want. Yes. And you're right. I liked that you use frequency because tell you the truth, I use frequency a lot. But I wasn't using it so much today because I wasn't sure. We love that word.

Oh, good. Okay. When you describe your feeling of that overabundance of love in the other realm, I believe that people are capable of tapping into that like a radio signal. Yes. We can tune our consciousness towards that frequency and then feel it entirely in our body. It can take over our thinking. It can take over the space that we would otherwise.

be ruminating and fearful because we've filled it with this frequency of love and acceptance. Yes, that's exactly right. And what I usually tell people is that if you want to be more intuitive and you want to be filled more with the frequency of love and acceptance, just take a look at what you do on a day-to-day basis. Are you filling that time with stress, with watching the news all day long, which is the worst thing you can do? or you're at a job you hate and you're being bullied by your boss. Just look at how you spend your days. There is no room in your day, if that's how you're living,

to actually get the intuitive messages. Your frequency continues to go down as you spend your day doing things that are stressful. But when you can create gaps in your day where you can go sit on the beach, or you can head for the hills or you can listen to music or you can go have a nice meal with friends and laugh. You're raising that frequency and that makes you more intuitive. Most people are stuck in the state where they're going to do basically the same thing and then add a five-minute mindfulness meditation. Or they're going to do basically the same thing and then rush to yoga and they're going to go through the yoga class and then they're going to go back.

And I don't fault people for that because life is hard and we want to distract ourselves and it's very challenging to break out of the routines and habits that we have. Yes. But what you're saying is that if we don't make space to feel something else, we will only feel the thing that is causing us the pain and suffering that we're currently experiencing. Yes, because the way you're living, not you, but the way the person is living is actually creating that stress. that which they are trying to run away from. And so as they're trying to run away from something, they're actually creating that which they're running away from because they're fitting in the yoga,

they're fitting in the meditation as part of a very tight schedule. It's kind of like when you said when you were trying to treat your cancer out of fear. Yes. Instead of, I mean, I don't know what the alternative looks like necessarily. When I speak to people in my events and people with cancer, who do come to my events, I actually tell them that what I would like them to do is to not think of the illness trajectory, but to think of a wellness trajectory. Because every single person can make changes in their health. When you get a cancer diagnosis, the diagnosis that the doctor gives you is based on your cancer, on your cells and their movement and their progression.

Provided you don't do anything at all. It's based on the current trajectory of those cells based on where you are right now, provided you do nothing to change. But you can change a lot of your current circumstances. And so I have them go inward and check where they have stresses in their life, how much time are they spending, doing things they love to do. I also have them imagine that if you have a clean bill of health, what do you want to do with the rest of your life? You don't want to go back to the life you had before because that's the life that gave you cancer in the first place.

So start building that new life, start creating it as though that is going to be your outcome and start living towards that. So you're shifting your focus. Instead of focusing on the fear of cancer, you're focusing. you're focusing on the possibility of wellness and what that looks like. What that reminds me of is, you know, when people talk about manifesting and a lot of people roll their eyes at the notion of manifesting, I mean, a lot of critical people do or skeptical people, but what you talk about is kind of like you have to live something as if you believe in it in order for it to work. Yes. Meaning you can't just like talk about wanting to be better.

You have to also do the legwork. And this is where a lot of people, I think, you know, get caught up in the notion of prayer. Like, why hasn't God answered my prayers? Like, I'm praying for this. Why hasn't it happened? And what, you know, what we have to do is what's called the legwork. Like, you have to do the legwork and let God be your partner, if you believe in God. You know, let the universe be your partner. But it doesn't mean that you just kind of wait. Oh, exactly. In fact, I want to do a Jonathan and put, you know, a little mechanism to this. So there's some things, when people talk about manifesting, when they talk about the law of attraction, they talk about vision boards, there's some things they're missing. And I know because I have lived through this. Sometimes when you create a vision board,

like let's say you're sick, and you put this vision board of all these people that are healthy, it actually makes you feel worse. This is what happens when I try and do a vision board. I just cry. Yeah, because it's like, why am I not there? Why am I not there? Right.

Like here's a board of all the things I can't do. That's what it can feel like. Exactly. It's not about a vision board. The piece that's missing is how does it make you feel? So if something is making you feel crappy, then that's not for you. It's lowering your vibe. It's lowering your frequency.

So here's what you're trying to do with manifesting what is really missed out. People just talk about visualizing. It's not the visualizing. It's not the graphics. It's how is it making you feel because how you feel is what's changing the frequency and it's the frequency that is drawing on your intuition and it's drawing from out there. It's the frequency that's changing your surroundings. Which is why when you do something like heart math where they're telling you to imagine positive scenarios and your heart starts to. behave differently. It's why Joe Dispenza and Tony Robbins do all these meditations. Think of the amazing thing. Feel it in your body. You can't just cognitively think about it. You have to feel it. You have to use both sides of your brain. You don't just conjure the thing and say, okay, I thought of the 10 things that I want to have happen. The idea is to start experiencing what it feels like to lean into goodness. Think of your puppy. Think of a baby. Think of the person that

you always love to see. Anything that brings up complexity, pain, sadness, those are not things that are going to get you on that frequency of healing. Exactly. And it's the, this, you need to be on that frequency just to live life. Here's my hot take. If you've ever had a friend who's like on ecstasy and you're like at a club, but you're not on ecstasy and they're like, oh my God, life's amazing. And then like they come down off ecstasy and they're still like, that was amazing. It's such a fun night and you're like I don't get it you have been able to maintain that friend on ecstasy vibe as your new normal but you know what I mean like when people do drugs and they're like and you're like oh my god just like sober up it's too much but you I'm not saying you're annoying

I'm saying you're able to maintain in an authentic way what it feels like to be in touch with that rush of chemicals, that experience, and that consciousness that many people don't get to encounter unless they're in an altered state. I also think the crucial piece here is that we need a drive to live. Yes. If we are just going through the motions, our bodies will break down and they will stop having the vitality required for us to thrive. Yes. And most people are in some version of that where they have not carved away the marble that is the angel. Yes. And so how do we empower ourselves, find those things that are going to give us that euphoric

feeling so that our cells do the things we need them to do? It's like if we think about it from that standpoint that I need to have euphoria and things that get me excited in order for myself to optimally function, then it's no longer wishy-washy manifesting or I'm trying to get my million bucks and my yacht. like it's not about that. It's not about that. I need to connect with the frequency that's going to allow my physical body to do the basic processes to allow me to live. Before we let you go, I know that you don't have any specific kind of like, I have an extra sensory ability. You know, some people come back from an NDE and they're changed in, you know, kind of physiologically interesting

ways or they feel like they have a new sense that they didn't have before. What do you feel is the special ability that you came back with? I realized after the NDE that I am an empath. I realized that I am highly intuitive. I realized I have an enormous capacity to love a lot of people. Since I came back, I have actually noticed that I do have the ability or the gift to bridge the two worlds with my words, to articulate and to bring it to people who are grounded, even people who are grounded in science. I have realized that I do have this, and I think it's maybe it's the experience that's brought it out in me, but I have the ability to actually articulate and express concepts that are beyond our five senses for a world that doesn't understand it.

How do you not get sort of a Messiah complex, meaning how do you not feel like, oh my gosh, I'm this exceptional human being that literally should have died, kind of did die, came back, beat every odd that there was. Do you ever feel like, wow, I have to keep this in check? I mean, you came back with a message to deliver to the world and you have. I actually remind myself because it's so beautiful on the other side

that perhaps the people who got, who get to stay there are actually the lucky ones. And it is, despite the fact that that I appear to be on ecstasy all the time. The other side is easier than he. here. It can still get pretty lonely here sometimes. And my husband, and if ever I do get a Messiah complex, Danny is the first to remind me and say, what if actually you flunked and that's why they sent you back? You're not so great or you would have stayed there. Yeah, exactly. You still had more to learn. You still have more to learn. You're not that great. I love that. Um, Where can people find out more about the work that you do?

Because we didn't even get to get into it. You teach courses, you lecture, you have a sanctuary, as it were. Tell us where to find out more about you. So I have a website that's Anita Mujani.com. And I have a few books out, three books and two children's books. And I have a membership platform where people can sign up to access courses and journeys. I do a lot of guided journeys because a lot of people are not able to meditate without guidance. But if I guide them with my voice and take them on the journey, they can

raise their frequency that way. Thank you so much for being here. We bring greetings from Lee Harris, who we had on. And he was so excited and said to us, have you spoken to Anita? And we said, we're literally having her next week. So we recorded him the last podcast right before you, and your podcast is going to air right after his. Oh, wow. I love him. The day that he was here, your books came in the mail.

So literally, as we were saying goodbye to him, a package was delivered, and it was literally your books. So anyway, we had such a lovely time with him, and he sends regards. So we also wanted to pass that on. Oh, he's so lovely. I just adore him. Oh, yeah. And I just wanted to share this quick story of my friend Erica.

That's right. So my friend Erica, who came here, she's a big fan of yours. And what happened is that she's the one who introduced me to your podcast. And she said to me, have you ever watched Mayam Bialik? And I said, no, I haven't. And she said, you've got to watch her. And she told me all about you that you were Sheldon's girlfriend. friend on the Big Bang Theory.

And so we watched the one where you talk about empathy and about empaths. And I watched it and I was hooked. I thought, wow, she's a great interviewer. I loved it. And so Erica said to me, at the end of it, Erica goes, we've got to figure out how to get you on her podcast. Two days later, I got the email from your people saying, we'd like you to be on her podcast. What do you think that is? Because the caveat is that I believe that when we are on our paths, we will have much more synchronicity without even trying. Things will just sort of appear.

We don't have to manifest and vision board and try so hard like you said. So what do you attribute that level of synchronicity to? So you and I, you said something I always say, you don't even have to do the vision board when you are on that right path. So I attributed to a raised frequency. That's all. Because when you raise your frequency, the higher your frequency, the less you have to actually focus on specifics because what is actually yours will just come to you. What you need for this path will come to you. Sometimes if you just focus, I mean, sometimes when you think, oh, I need to visualize this, you might actually be limiting what's actually coming your way. Maybe there's more possibilities than even what your people.

uny mind can imagine. Exactly. Because if I had to figure out how to get from my deathbed to where I am today, I'm not smart enough to figure that out or to visualize it. But just by raising my frequency and allowing it to unfold, I just followed the breadcrumbs. I also think that people often have two parts of their lives. They often have a suffering and a beginning phase, and then they have the once you get over a certain threshold, things sort of unfold in a different capacity. And I think it's important to sort of figure out where are you in which phase of life you're in. Yeah. I never thought of it that way. But yes, there is, it's like a pattern. Anita, thank you so much for being here. Really such an honor to meet you.

Thank you for inviting me. I'm so thrilled to be here. That was unbelievable. It was a little bit life-changing. There's so many things, but one of the things that I did want to talk about, and it's interesting that I kind of like that we have a reputation that makes some people nervous. Like, should I talk about raising frequencies? I'm less into it in terms of understanding it than you are.

Depends on who she's talking to. If she's talking to you versus me. Well, so I wanted to actually talk about this a little bit because I think it does, hone in on some of what we try to do here, which is sort of like, you know, straddling this gap between like what's science, what's not, what needs to be science and what doesn't need to be science. And this is one of those things where, you know, the people who use terms like raising frequency, like this is co-opting a physics term that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. So frequency, like literally, frequency is how many times, like a wave cycle or an

oscillation will pass a specific point. That's what it is. So it's like if you picture a wave, right, like a wave function, like a sign function or a cosine function depending on where it starts, if you picture that and you take an interval, there's a certain amount of time that it takes for one wave, I'm just going to give an example, to go through. And if two waves go through it in the same interval, that's a higher frequency. It's more frequent. And we measure this in, in hertz, right? How many times something happens per second or per, you know, designated time, that's what we, you know, that's how we measure frequencies. So the thing that this is something that kind of gets, so it's a different term. It's a different term. Because like, you know, like,

You don't raise frequency. Well, what about vibration? So vibration can have, be, like, humming at a lower decibel level, and you want to raise the vibration. I feel like that's maybe a more accurate term. When I say frequency, I mean more like a radio channel where you're tuning yourself. A radio channel you can sort of like, if you're thinking almost more AM than FM. Seriously? Yeah, here's why.

Because it feels like there's more gaps and you have to be a little bit more precise to log on to an AM channel. And there's like more digits in between the channels. So you can be slightly off channel and be getting the wrong signal. And what you want to do is find the right signal, which will then impact your vibration. So yeah. So when I like the technical concept, this feels closer. The technical concept of vibration is an oscillatory back and forth. movement. If you're thinking about like a higher vibration, it just to me what I think of is like,

oh, this is a vibration, but like this is a higher vibration and this is a lower vibration. Well, too high is no good. Says you? Well, if you're too high, then you have, I think, another problem where the cells could be mutating and moving too quickly. So we're looking to raise the vibration, but there's a ceiling effect. Well, you're, you want to raise the vibration assuming that most people are in a depressed state or semi-depressed state disconnected from the vibration. Elevate from this state where we're not connected to our joy. We're not connected to a love frequency.

We're cycling in the unknown. We're caught in the new cycle where things are uncertain. We are indoctrinated with outrage, which captures our attention. And none of that gives us the time and the space to feel. what the, you know, what is sometimes called higher vibrational frequencies like love, which is calming and peaceful and then gives us other opportunities. So yeah, I was thinking of the Beach Boys song because it actually does capture what we're talking about. So the Beach Boys song, Good Vibrations. It's, I love the colorful clothes she wears and the way the sunlight plays upon her hair. I hear the

sound of a gentle word on the wind that lifts her perfume through the air. I'm picking up good vibrations. She's giving me excitation. So these things make sense to me because when we're thinking about, I'm serious in terms of what Anita was talking about, these are the things that make them happy, right? The colorful clothes, it gives you that feeling of goodness, right?

The way the sunlights play, it gives him excitation. So for me, it's pom-poms. Find the things that give you excitation. Or good vibrations. Yeah, the Marky Mark song, is not, it's like, it's such a good vibration, it's such a sweet sensation, like, that's it. The Beach Boy song is better.

The Beach Boy is more appropriate to what we're talking about. Because otherwise it's like strictly hip hop boy, I ain't singing this, bringing this to the entire nation black, white, red, brown, feel the vibration. Doesn't have the same. No, it's not the same. It's not the same as, I'm, yeah, picking up good vibrations.

So our job. Good, good, good. You can't end there. I think there was a sunkiss commercial when I was a kid and they were water skiing. And I remember as a kid, I was like, would I ever be the kind of gentile adult that could water ski? Because that's what all the people, the commercial looked like. They didn't look like anybody I grew up with. They were, they were blonde and tan.

They looked like they went to fancy school. And they were water skiing. On wood water skis back then. Yeah. I'm like, someday, could I be in a sunkiss commercial singing good vibrations? The answer was? No, I will have my own podcast about mental health. and I will recite the lyrics like a nerd.

Look, the most important thing is you find the things that give you a rush. Look, if we ever get to speak to Anita again, which I would love to. I'm sure we will. I mean, I think that's probably the, that's, and this is I don't get anything from saying this. Like, yeah, I would take that course, meaning if you're unhappy in your life, if you've got something brewing and you're like, I wish I didn't have to, I think that Anita has something to offer for people to kind of like blow your perspective like out of the water because so many people feel I'm destined to this. I'm determined to do. I have to do this. I don't want to. But how am I going to pay the bills? How am I going to survive? How am and that's the thing too. Like I want to make sure that people understand. Anita is speaking to all sorts of people, not just people who are like, I can afford to never work again. And I'm just going to like go to the beach all day. That's not what she's talking about. She's talking about what does your life look like. What makes you happy?

What drives you? What is your cellular information communicating about the life you're living? There's more in your control than you realize. Really, really well said. The last thing I want to say here is that there seems to be a childlike wonder and enthusiasm. It reminded me of Jill Boltey Taylor. That people reconnect with when they find their joy. Yes.

There's something about growing up that is stripping the joy out of our lives. and it doesn't have to be like that. There's something about being human that just sucks the joy out of our existence. Re-invigorate the joy and everything will be a little easier. You'll be more connected with your intuition. Also, if you just love this conversation

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