Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - Part Two: Hidden From the President: A Naval Officer on UAPs in Our Oceans & How the CIA Trained Psychic Spies | Admiral Tim Gallaudet

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

What if the truth about UAPs is far stranger and far more unsettling than we've been told?In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, PhD, US Navy (Ret.) - former oceanographer, retired Rear Admiral, and author of Holding Fast in Heavy Seas - reveals why he believes some of the biggest secrets surrounding UAPs (UFOs) may be hidden beneath Earth's oceans.After serving 32 years in the U.S. Navy, Gallaudet personally witnessed now-declassified UAP evidence and became one of the first people to view the now-famous "Go Fast" Navy video while it was still classified. He explains why he immediately knew the technology wasn't American or from any known adversary, and why the government kept the footage hidden for years.We dive deep into reports of mysterious craft operating both above and below the ocean, the seemingly impossible physics required for these objects to transition seamlessly between air and water, and why he believes our oceans may hold critical clues to understanding the true origins of nonhuman intelligence.We also discuss why eyewitness testimony remains one of the most important forms of evidence, how he personally gathers reports from fellow servicemen and submits them to official government agencies, and why official confirmation always seems to be delayed with calls for "more data."Adm. Gallaudet also helps us tackle some of the most controversial questions surrounding disclosure:- Could quantum mechanics help explain UAPs?- Do UAPs actually change form depending on the observer?- Why do encounters with nonhuman intelligence profoundly transform the people who witness them?- Is the unsettling possibility that humanity is not in control the real reason disclosure has moved so slowly?We explore the intersection of UAPs with the paranormal, including government-funded remote viewing and ESP research, what those programs may imply about consciousness and psi phenomena, why childhood paranormal experiences may make some people more receptive to later mystical encounters, and whether proving UAPs could fundamentally reshape our understanding of reality itself.Adm. Gallaudet also breaks down:- Which presidential administrations may or may not have had access to information about nonhuman intelligence (Did President Nixon showed comedian Jackie Gleason an alleged alien body?)- Whether mysterious cattle mutilations could represent nonhuman intelligence monitoring humanity's food supply- Why he believes intelligent life almost certainly exists elsewhere in the universe- Why the public deserves transparency about discoveries that could fundamentally change our understanding of reality, and why no government should gatekeep truths of that magnitudeIf you've ever wondered whether the biggest mystery isn't in space but beneath our oceans, this is a conversation you won't want to miss!Adm. Tim Gallaudet's book, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas: https://www.amazon.com/Holding-Fast-Heavy-Seas-Leadership/dp/B0GW9HKK74Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, I'm I'm Myam Bealeck. And I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation with Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet. He was one of the first to witness the go-fast UAP footage released by sailors when he was their supervising officer in the Navy. In part two of our conversation, we're going to talk about the larger implications of acknowledging the existence of UAPs. Why is it being hidden? What does the government know? and why is the government so threatened by this information?

We're going to talk about how the biggest secrets facing humankind may be being kept from the president himself and how these programs can be hidden from Congress using external contractors to analyze the data. We're also going to talk about other phenomenon like cattle mutilations, extrasensory perception, and so much more. All of this in part two of our conversation with Rear Admiral Timothy Gallaudet. Take it down. Miami-B-Alex breakdown is supported by Helix Sleep. We were so excited to hear that Helix One wanted to partner with us. I've had my Helix mattress for, I think it's close to six years now,

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And I having been ahead of a U.S. agency, the recommendation I want to make is for the Science Office in the White House called the Office of Science and Technology Policy to make not just UAP research a national science priority, but also these other aspects of consciousness and N.H.I. and OBE and NDE that obviously are somehow aligned or correlated with that with the phenomena, UAP. And the way this works is if we get the White House Science Agency in their annual what they call R&D priorities memo, make that our national research priority, then that directs all the U.S. agencies to somehow tee that up in their research budgets. So we're talking about the NIH, you know, for Ocean Things, Office of Naval Intelligence,

my old agency, NOAA, of course, the Naval Oceanographic Office, and then anything else that could potentially bring to bear on these topics, which is a lot. I mean, the government has a trillion dollar budget, just the Defense Department does alone. So that's what we're going to try to do, is make mainstream this and, get research supported. I have kind of a wild question because you've mentioned, you know, crash sites. You've mentioned reports of people seeing craft that would fit this classification of things that are not ours. They're not our adversaries. They're not terrestrial in origin. How close have you gotten to learning more about things that have crashed or beings that may have

been captured and studied. I'd love to you have been close and seen. The best I can say is I'm close to people who have. So what do they say? What, what is it? What's going on? So Dr. Hal Poodoff has been involved with these areas for some time. And I respect and like him. He's, I'm, we're working on a quantum project together on his advisory board. I just have so much respect for him. He acknowledged on Joe Rogan, we're in possession of 10 or so different types. of craft. I from other sources believe that to be true. I'm not seeing them myself. Of course, I want to. I don't think I'm going to. It's that privileged, if you will. In terms of the biologics that Dave Grush has testified to, I don't know anybody personally. So I can't speak to that,

but it's sort of a logical extension of all these different craft and eyewitness accounts. And then thirdly, there is somebody in James Lackatsky, who worked for DIA, who I believe has had firsthand accounts of interacting with crashed craft. And so he doesn't say that directly in his books, but it's, I've had others say that that is likely the case. And he's been on several podcasts. He's not been open about that topic. but it's likely based on what he's done and the programs he's been read into.

And I don't want to ping him to that. But again, I know enough people that have been in the programs. And I think I am really eager to hear what Jay Stratton has to say on all this when his book comes out soon. We had Neil deGrasse Tyson on recently for the second time because he wrote this very adorable, you know, new book about sort of like what to talk about if you ever get to meet. an alien, right? And, you know, Neil, as I say, is the nicest person who rolls their eyes at me when I say,

well, wait a second, what might actually be going on here? And this is one of the things that, you know, people like Neil deGrasse Tyson, right, and people of that sort of academic, clinical caliber say, show me, show me the alien, show me the body, show me the craft. Enough with this, like, will they or won't they? Enough with the stretching it out. Like, I'm enjoying. all the podcasts we get to do talking to incredible people like you. But at a certain point, what are we actually talking about? There's so many chemists who I would love to give any material to and let them go into their laboratory, let them reverse engineer it. If you can't figure out what this is, we deserve to know. Why are we still waiting on this biological data?

Why are we waiting on revealing what might be craft that have, again, crashed, which seems a little odd to me, but drunk teenage aliens is an option? First off, I'm with you. Everybody is. We all want to see the data. We want to sell the real evidence, of course. And the only reason I go and speak out to what I know is because I know people who've seen or aware of the evidence that I trust, like how. and Dr. Eric Davis and Dave Rush, for example. Now, we're all fairly maybe one removed from that legacy program,

but we know enough about the government and all the pieces and parts. Like, for example, I have a good colleague who worked in the Department of Energy, and he recounted to me how he was taking a trip to one of the national laboratories, and there was a building called the Exotic Materials Lab. It wasn't labeled. His friends told him what it was called. He asked him what it was involved. And he said, oh, you haven't been right into that?

He said, no. And he goes, okay, well, we'll just have to tell you some other time. And there's many clues to this all occurring. Yeah, we want to see that hard, that hard data. And I think it's, maybe we should step back and not be, and just appreciate where we've come. I don't want to appreciate where we come. I want to go into the future. I want to know where we're going.

Right. Well, and that's very good. Now, so are we getting there? I don't know. But remember, I know I'm on a board, the UAP Science Advisory Board, whose objective is to get us there, or at least that's what we want to do. If we're going to be allowed to do it is another question.

So, but we're here. We're going to go after it. We want to know the truth. and we are going to study it scientifically to do just that. And we're requesting that information. The information you want to see, we're requesting. Thank you. Is it possible that the president of the United States,

no matter what years it would have been, would be unaware of the extent of this information? Like, could these programs, because they span administrations, be tucked away, in parts of the government that the actual president may not know about them? Can I answer first and then I'll let you answer? What Disclosure Day says is presidents are civilians at the end of their term. There is no necessary need to include them in conversations that within four years would make them a security threat to the country they were just the president of.

But I'd like to hear the admiral's response. Oh yeah, 100%. In fact, it's likely, now I don't know every given president. There's a bunch of speculation out there about which presidents have known and not. But ultimately, yeah, it's fairly not only plausible, but likely that that information

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and that might be the overarching driver. I don't know for sure, but a lot of indicators make that seem to be the case for me. But again, I don't have the data. And that's what we're going to pursue is the data. We might not be allowed to see the data. And there's a lot of really terrifying things out there about cattle mutilations. I mean, have you ever, have you ever had a show on that?

Okay, so I am obsessed with cattle mutilation and no one will talk to me about it. And every time I bring it up, even everyone in this room, everybody laughs at me and I'm like, no, you don't understand what there's something going on. This is something I believe more than anything else. Is there something going on with cattle mutilation? I'm dead serious. So I received the most remarkable report I think on this topic I've ever seen recently. A homicide cop, a 20-year homicide cop in Canada, wrote me, and he actually wrote a book on this, and he applied all his investigative techniques to this topic,

and he looked at hundreds of cases all around the world. And if you're a homicide cop, and you apply what you do in your job to this topic, you can only conclude several things, and that it's just a large-scale, crazy-ass experiment by non-human advanced technologies to basically assess the status of our food supply in a very systematic and scientific way.

That never occurred to me. I mean, I'm just fascinated. Also, I'm a vegan, so like anything animal-related, I'm fascinated. But it didn't occur to me that there might be information that can be gathered, which we know that there can be. It never occurred to me that that. that might be the reason that there's information gathering about, wow.

Look at the way the animals are taken. All the blood's gone. There's no evidence of the blood. There's no tracks. They're dropped from a, they're deposited in a position to be seen. Okay, that's crazy. From a location they were, so they were airlifted somehow. All the blood, leaders of blood, tens of leaders of blood, nowhere to be seen.

And the precision examination that's occurred, we don't have the tools to do that. No, we do not. If you look at the nature of it, and so long story short, there might be aspects, terrifying aspects of disclosure. We really may not want to know. And I don't know that for sure, but it seems plausible. Again, I think it's, even though it'd be nice to sit back and not know some of those things, also I don't think ignorance is a good national strategy, and we have to address the nature of reality front, you know, full on, and if we really want to do the best we can for humanity.

So that's my position, as terrifying as it may be or not. It speaks to something you were referencing before that there are light and dark forces in whatever is happening, that it's not all good, it's not all bad, that there is a mix. Can you talk about besides cattle mutilation, is there any other examples that would show you intention here? Yeah, interestingly. So one of the areas, the Defense Intelligence Agency research thoroughly as the subject of a show, Skinwalker Ranch, I think it's a history. channel, I believe. It turns out, Brandon Fugel, the owner, has brought me on as an advisor at an amazing tour of the

ranch a week ago. And really, and we've, their ranch has documented UAP phenomena, specifically the orb-like phenomena frequently, as well as metallic spheres. And so

there's, in those cases, many instances of very negative interactions. I'm not going to, not going to do a spoiler. here, but when Jay's book comes out, he will recount that because he's had those. And that's also in Jim Lakatsky and Kohlm-Kelleher's book, the Skinwalkers of the Pentagon. So that's

a test bed, if you will, for the phenomena and really a lot of the negative interaction. Positive interactions are recorded in other sources. In fact, there's, jock valet is masterfully compiled everything there is to know about this, both sides, where certain people have been healed with their interactions. So, yeah, I'm not at all an expert. Remember, I'm trying to confine my scope of expertise and knowledge to that which resides with government policy, as well as research regarding ocean-related phenomena. But it's out there. Something occurred to me that if it's outside of the president's purview, who is actually controlling this information? Is it, you know, being researched if there are crash sites, crash vehicles, if there are biologics? Which inmate is running the asylum?

Is it private companies, contractors that are trying to reverse engineer this? Is it actual inside the government that's controlling it? What's your sense of who is, you know, holding these secrets? Yes. So I don't know with certainty, but I know how the government works and how other programs are run. And so you have a mix. You have basically within the intelligence community and China hierarchy of various special access programs. And many of them are not known directly by the president or even the National Security Council because it's just a very complex organization for intelligence gathering and defense, etc. But at some point, there's possible mechanisms for the National Command Authority to find out. And at the same time, I haven't addressed this, but politicians, certain presidents will sometimes elect not to want to know the details because it gives them plausible deniability when interviewed with the press or when they go into retirement. and that can be advantageous and reduce legal risk and other risks. So that's a dynamic there. I can't characterize the eaches of any given executive,

but that's what's kind of going on. And then there's a likelihood, and Carl Nell is talking about this, that much of the UAP crash retrieval program is moved in transition to defense contractors to avoid congressional oversight. And again, I don't have first-hand knowledge of that. I don't know the names of the contractors that's widely reported or speculated on, but it's a very plausible scenario to keep the technology within the U.S., outside the hands of Congress so we could avoid getting leaked or potentially slowing down the RDT&E.

That's the fun drinking game to look at the list of presidents. you know, how far back do you want to go? Because this stuff presumably did not just start happening, although with the development of nuclear technology, nuclear facilities, also discussions about the resources of H2O, right? There are different kinds of viewings, and Lou talks about this, obviously, in his book. But that's a fun drinking game.

Like, which president do you want to put money on that would say, thanks but no thanks, right? Like, I'm feeling Obama vibes, right? And then I'm kind of feeling like Reagan vibes, but then also like first Bush, I kind of feel like he'd be like, yeah, bring it on. You know, like I got a whole story. Nixon, absolutely. Oh, I have a story about Nixon. Go ahead.

It's a rumor out there that Nixon had had awareness of retrieved biologic beings and craft. And I don't know. It's in a lot of places on the internet wherever. not credible, but it's out there. Okay. And that and that he shared, brought Jackie Gleason to a military base to see these biologics. Like to impress a Hollywood celebrity? Yeah.

Do you know, have you heard this thread? So this is in Disclosure Day where there's an indication that Nixon was using this as a, his own personal publicity moment, which, you know, I was raised in a bleeding heart, liberal household. So nothing would surprise my father, you know, bless his memory about Nixon. But this was the idea that what if, right? What if this was used by, let's say, someone who wanted to wield power and bring a celebrity around? I'll be that celebrity.

This is a very specific thread or a rumor of Nixon bringing Jackie Glees into an Air Force base, I think in Florida and showing him the aliens, right? They recovered aliens. Okay. So that's out there. And whatever, you know, there's so much out there. It's actually crazy hard to follow. But I went and because of my access, I get a lot of people who come up to me and say, hey, I want to tell you what I saw.

And having been the head of Noah, a recreational fisherman, because Noah is in charge of our fisheries management, in Florida, I got pointed to him. And he had talked about his UAP experiences on a fishing show. He's a real serious, credible guy, nice guy. Since he's out there, I can give you his name. It's Mark Croca, KROWKA, and he was on a web or a podcast, and he talked all about fishing for tarpun and whatnot. At the very end, he got asked about his UAP sightings.

And off the Florida Keys, he's had multiple UAP sidingings, lights and such. In one case, this observed UAP lighted object was, was was scrambled, jets were scrambled after it from a nearby Air Force base that he saw and went after this thing and it moved rapidly left the area. And so he's had these these sightings over the over a period of a decade or more. And so I called him up. We had a good chat. I was really interested in what he's seen. It seems pretty often. It's usually very early in the morning, well before sunrise. And at one time they even won a prayer over his house. He tried to get his wife out of bed.

Hey, you got to see this. And she's like, I don't want to get it. But there you go. Ultimately, Mark shared with me that, well, ultimately, so he's, he's, he's seeing these craft. And he said, you know, I have this really interesting story. When I was a kid, I worked at this clubhouse. I forgot where in Florida, a golf clubhouse. And Jackie Leeson's wife was a member.

And, and he, and he. He was just like not a janitor, but one of these lower level guys working. And he got to talk to her. And she she shared with him that this, she said, this totally occurred. Nixon brought him into the space. He saw these aliens. And he said, Gleeson was so affected. He didn't eat for like two weeks.

He was so disturbed that they were really worried for his health and his life because he was just so. on by, you know, the ontological shock to the experience by seeing this. And so that's just one little data point because the guy and Mark is totally credible. He met Leeson's wife. She said this and had no reason to gain from it. So what do you think of that? I mean, it's, there's two things. First of all, that's incredible to think that sort of pop culture, right? Popular culture may have intersected in this way. And that, you know, I think everybody thinks it would be really cool, right, if we finally knew that there are aliens. But most everyone who's had encounters with aliens is deeply affected. It's very disturbing. It brings up a whole set of questions

about, am I crazy? Will anyone believe me? Will I be mocked? Will I be teased? And what we're seeing now in this age of disclosure is people with your credentials, respectable professionals who are saying we're not going to be silent anymore, even about the need to know more. And I think that's really kind of the difference in conversation. I wanted to ask another kind of oceanographic question. So you talk about, you know, how the vast majority, right, of the ocean floor has not been mapped, right? And you talk about the importance of this and sort of that overlap with the importance of understanding UAPs and especially a lot of their movements surrounding bodies of water, you know, surrounding also nuclear sites, but let's focus on the bodies of water. I'm going to ask you to sort of

speculate here. Like, I'm filling in a lot of blanks, not knowing what's going on on the ocean floor and UAPs going into the water. Are we talking like UAPs may be originating from underwater, or there could be sources of underwater territory that might be holding secrets? Like I'm asking for real. Yeah, it's interesting, Miami, because I know Tim Burchett, Congressman had mentioned that, oh, I know about five areas where there might be underwater alien bases. I have no knowledge of that. And I, you know, I was the oceanographer, the Navy and read into all the, all the,

most of the unclassified undersea programs. So I'm not sure where he got that from. Just don't know. But when you just look at the nature and the pervasiveness of UAP observations, and again, they're not revealing themselves in total to us, you have random observations by individuals, sometimes large gatherings, entire ships companies and cities, whatnot, but no one's just, no civilization has said,

we are coming here to interact with you and sign a treaty. that i know of and so with that they want to stay elusive to some degree and if if they have a permanent presence which we believe they do because they're they've been here for a long time and diana talks about this in her book centuries likely so her books great books american cosmic encounters in her latest the others diana pesulka then where else would would they reside to remain hidden for a duration? It would be the ocean. I said 27% of the ocean's been, sea floor has been mapped.

That means 73% has not. That's 73% of hiding spaces. Yeah, exactly. That's just incredible. And then the ocean volume is even less explored, only about 10% with a modern, remotely operated vehicle or undersea drone or profiling buoy or all of,

means we have to look at the volume. So we don't know jack about the ocean. And if some civilization wanted to remain hidden, that's where they should, they would go. What do you mean the volume? I mean, I know what volume is. I'm thinking of the ocean floor and then I'm thinking what's in the ocean. Are you talking about it's one thing to map the ocean floor? It's another thing to know what's going on in the ocean besides all the garbage that we put there and all the fantastic animals. Right, exactly. The ocean itself. So for the way ocean scientists go about studying the ocean, the area between the seafloor and the sea surface, is to use a whole variety of sensors like multi-beam sonar on ships, sonar on ocean drones, underwater drones, sonar on ocean surface drones, profiling buoys that measure properties like salinity temperature. pressure, pressure, and then putting video monitors on all of those things to look at the ocean and in the optical realm, for example, or infrared.

That's assuming that these things are visible or detectable in ways that our technology can handle, because the fact is, if you're suggesting that they've been here for hundreds of years, if not more, that means they've been existing this whole time outside of the visible spectrum outside of the any other spectrum that we might be able to measure with sophisticated technology that I don't even know about. Right. So there's several reports in the UFO files, the Pentagon released where in a certain wavelength that UAP were observed, but in the like infrared, but in the visible wavelength, they were not

observed. So they had a signature in the infrared, but not in the visible. They weren't able to be seen. Nothing there, but holy crap, there's something there. And so that's very likely, could be the case in many instances in the ocean. Now, granted, though, the sonar is our main memes of detecting objects underwater. We use that to map the seafloor. We use that to map schools of fish.

Ultimately, there's interesting things, and I profiled this in a paper I wrote. I'm an advisor for the Seoul Foundation, a big UAP think tank, the premier UAP think tank, we hope. And their very first white paper was about UAPs in the ocean that I wrote called Beneath the Surface. And I wrote about and researched this topic. And I saw that in World War I, too, pardon me, right after, one of our Navy's oceanographic ships, like the ones I've been on and I owned, I own the fleet of naval oceanographic ships when I was an admiral that during our actual. World War II, in 1946, I believe, the USS Mori was surveying. So they're throwing down sonar beams to map the seafloor and measure the depths. And they came to a point where all of a sudden the depth of the ocean was very shallow.

They had over a period of very long distance, nearly a kilometer. And then the ocean got deep again. And they retraced the route, and then they just saw the ocean was deep again. So they saw some object, and it wasn't fish or plankton. they present as a very diffuse scattering reflection. And so what was that? And this has happened. I have other instances of submarines encountering objects that can't be explained by anything conventional.

And if they're not in the ocean, that means that you have to think about them traveling from outside of the galaxy or somewhere else off planet in. but they're so frequent that it, you know, the idea may be that they evolved before we possibly did and that they're here. Otherwise, we're talking about them being able to travel outside of space time in a way that we really can't understand. Well, these are very plausible scenarios. And physics, as we know it, do not deny the fact that another civilization can have formed, evolved, and then before any kind of major geologic cataclysm or an asteroid strike that they decided to go subterranean or into the ocean somewhere below the seafloor to reside. Again, we're very, we're so new to the scene that the geologic history could have removed all evidence of other civilizations that may have evolved, what, a billion years ago, for example. So this is a hypothesis called the Silerian hypothesis, S-I-L-U-R-I-A-N, and a philosopher named Bernardo Castro

wrote about it in the debrief. Who is who we've had on and had, yeah, we've had a great, great time with Bernardo. I saw that. I saw that show. Yeah. So you got it. You got that. My and B.

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And of course, the book's available on all the major outlets like Amazon and Barnes & Noble, July 7th. So thank you for saying that. I appreciate you. There's a lot on my mind, but I really can't stop thinking about cattle mutilation. You get stuck there. You know, here's the difference between me and you. I want to talk about interdimensional space travel, whether or not we have been, you know, evolved millions of years in the future. and you want to know why the cow is in so many parts.

Well, here's the thing. There's many, obviously, many phenomenal things that Admiral Tim, as I'm calling him, you know, just brought to light. But I can't just like do a drive-by on cattle mutilation. I'm hung up on this larger canon of information that, you know, I can't. tell if it's paranoia, you know, if it's gullibility, or I can't tell if it's like he's showing us the level of scrutiny that we have to have in order to feel safe in the world. Like,

you cannot dismiss things. And of course, like, we just need more data. We need more transparency. We need more data. I believe more information is within our reach. But at this point, I I just, I feel like, you know how sometimes we'll be talking about something? And I'll be like, what do you want to say? And you're like, I don't know. And I say, let's skip the part where you don't know because I know that you know. That's what I want to do with this. I want to skip the part.

You're skipping steps here, though, right? But I want to skip the part where the government's like, oh, I don't know. What does it actually mean to believe and to know that we are not the apex predators? That we are not as smart, that we are not as capable, that potentially, there is an intelligence out there that is here already and it can bypass our weapons

it can show up anywhere at any time if you're going to grant that there's an intelligence out there that has the capability to do the things that we already seem to be getting indications that it can do it does beg the question why have we not been destroyed How interesting are we to this interstellar gardener? And what are the motivations of said Gardner?

There are examples of interactions with entities where people are magically healed and then people feel like maybe there is a negative attribute. How do we know which is which? Maybe there are multiple. Why does it mean like there are so many different versions of humanity? Why wouldn't there be multiple offshoots of whatever intelligence is here? Well, and whatever intelligence that is, it doesn't abide by our puny human rules of like, it's bad that I didn't get that job, you know, like, we're beyond that.

I don't think they're intervening in job applications. Well, but the idea is what's the path in your life? What do you start wondering about if you open the door to this? That's the problem. And Disclosure Day handles this very well. Tell me. We recorded. I haven't seen it yet.

I'm not going to spoil it, but we did record this episode shortly after. you know, I saw a disclosure day. Yeah, if you're open to this, what next? What else are you open to? Ask Admiral Tim. You're open to remote viewing. You're open to discussions about what's hiding under the surface of the ocean. Like, you're kind of open to everything,

which means that you're going to be open to people who otherwise we might say were crazy being reclassified. I think of the case of the gentleman with the implant. With the implant. And he kept telling everyone the government put something in my brain. They took me, they researched on me, they put me asleep, and they told me that they were imprinting this thing in my head. He was right. The government did that to him.

He wasn't crazy. So how many people have you and I spoken to face to face who are like, the aliens are here? There are people among us who are aliens, and I can tell who they are. More people than Jonathan and I would like to admit have said that to us. There's like a fine line where I'm like, willing to accept these firsthand accounts. But then when someone says, I see the lizard people because of the ways their eyes move,

I'm like, that's a little far. So this is the question. How far is too far? And everyone's going to have a different answer because we're on this spectrum. I'm looking for the place where the line disappears because we all know the same thing. Yeah. So no one knows the same thing ever. Like most people agree that the earth is round.

A lot of people don't. A lot of people don't. Most people agree that there are other planets. Yeah. And let's say... That's where it ends. No, but like when Pluto was no longer a planet. A little dirty ice ball.

When Pluto became just a little dirty ice ball, most people were like, okay, some scientists said it. It showed up in my social media feed. Most people just don't like change. We're going to make a lot of jokes about it. Pluto's no longer a planet. I'm looking for that with this. I don't know that we're,

we're going to have that, you know? If things keep going the way they're going, something's going to shift. It may not be in our lifetime, but like, I hope that whatever seat we have in the afterlife, we get to front row to this party. Well, all the materialists who are

such downers all the time, they're like, materialists are no fun when you have these conversations. They're like every light that anyone has ever seen is a drone. And I'm like, these drones, you know how loud drones are? You see the propulsion. There are no drones that

operate totally silently, they glow as orbs, they have no propulsion mechanism like... Have you gone to the government website that shows you the videos that they've compiled that they release? Some of them, I haven't like... Yeah, they're

literally videos, clear as day of people's iPhones in their backyard being like what the actual fuck is flying over my yard, and they are things moving in tandem that don't normal. It's not AI. It's not blah. What is happening? This is happening in an era of AI where people are now able to dismiss anything. But there's orbs in people's backyards that the

government has known about and I feel like someone should research that. Yeah, but people are saying that like this second World War never happened. So like the level of disconnect that people are willing to have between things that have happened that are documented. I think World War II happens. I'm pretty sure. I wasn't there. My grandfather was pretty messed up. He went there. Took a dark turn. Let's talk about the three hypotheses for the presence of extraterrestrial intelligence, non-human intelligence. There are three primary hypotheses circulating among serious researchers.

He talked about this on the Sean Ryan podcast. So he mentioned it briefly. the Dr. Bernardo Castro notion. An advanced civilization may have evolved hundreds of millions to over a billion years ago and there was no fossil evidence at that time and at some point they decided to go, I believe he said, subterranean.

Like, we're going to peace out. We're going to be undetectable and that's going to be our story. That's the first hypothesis. The second one, there's no firsthand data. It's a mathematical idea. that there's some space in between this dimension and other dimensions that we seem to be able to access.

This could be a string theory basis kind of mathematical thing. That's the interdimensional origin story. In terms of extraterrestrial, so this is outside of our terrestrial territory. This is the, quote, standard hypothesis, as Valerie points out, that while the known laws of physics make interstellar travel seem impossible. There may be physics that we haven't yet discovered. And, you know, for example, a hundred years ago, we couldn't have imagined, well, a little over 100 years ago, quantum mechanics, relativity, all these things. But that there is some notion that we don't quite understand where there may be physics

where creatures are traveling from other places different than other dimensions. Do you understand the distinction that they're making? Yeah, like where places would these be? So another dimension is like another. But remember those crazy Laura Anderson showed us these other dimensional things? Like there's a dimension you don't even understand that exists that like, I mean, I'm going to picture this like in the sci-fi way. It's like a fold in my pocket where the lint is that I've never seen before.

Pretty much. Or like it's like an anomaly like opens up and it's like, oh my God, there's another dimension, like land of the lost. And there's like 20 bucks in there and you're like, wow. Or it's another universe. I wish I could open that dimension anytime I was hungry. And then extraterrestrial, the way I understand it is sort of like they're on another planet that's so far that we can't see it, but they can move in.

Yeah, like, I don't, I mean, we don't know. There's an overlap between these two things where the extra dimension is required for them to travel fast enough from the off planet because it would take so long to travel from the planet based on how we understand travel that they got to jump through a hole. Yeah, the reason that I love your brain is we were given three hypotheses, but you're looking to like combine two of that. No, there's really not. There's like two and a half.

I'm going to trust that Valerie knows more than we do about. No, it's just two and a half. We'll take a poll. We'll take a poll. I think people are following along. I think the last thing to cover, and if you want more on this line of thinking, you've got to listen to the Diana Posulka episode,

which is, you know, thinking about institutional knowledge on the earth, you have institutional knowledge based in the government that is actually not part of Congress there are these like long-time little pockets of the government that are almost outside of purview because they've sprung up and, you know, like they want to keep them shadow. You're using a lot of fancy words to say that there's shit in the government that... No one knows about because you want, you don't want Congress's oversight.

You don't want congressional oversight. So you kind of tuck it away with a contractor and the contractor just keeps getting money and then they're able to run these sort of side programs. in a similar way, religious institutions around the globe have been repositories for people's first-hand experiences that they can't understand and they've collected an enormous amount of information about what could be happening. And what is interesting about Diana's work is looking at the Vatican, looking at other religious texts as evidence for patterns that were being surfaced across all of human history,

that describes interactions with what was then unknown and is now becoming known. And where are the overlaps and similarities? Guess what? All of religion is just aliens. I mean, that's a little bit what we're opening the door to. Or other experiences of consciousness that, you know, then they didn't understand basic elements of the material world, which we now understand a lot more. So there's like, you've got to take some of that with a grain of salt.

That is the place, I think, that Admiral Tim is sort of opening. that it could be that there are people whose frequencies are tuned more selectively to receiving this kind of information. And so what doesn't look like data to you may look like data to them. This is something Disclosure Day talks about and demonstrates. You know, what if something that sounds like gibberish to someone else makes complete sense. And if you've ever known anyone who's an energy healer or someone who's kind of in some cases straddling, you know, what's real and what's perceived. And you know that it's just, it's like their frequency is tuned differently.

So to me, that's even more interesting than aliens, you know. Also, just the notion that, like, something could be so paradigm shifting that even the president of these United States would be like, yeah, you don't need me to know that. That is sort of mind blowing. And again, everybody's like, oh, it would be so cool to see an alien. No, I think it would probably make you want to lay down. and not wake up for a while. I want to hear people's theory on the teenage aliens.

What's really causing these crashes? Like the fact that we're using the word crash, like, what? And I couldn't, I wanted him to like explain it. And I'm not trying to be like, oh, this is proof that it's not a thing. But we have to have some explanation for why something that is so sophisticated that it might have been here for billions of years would like have a boo-boo-bo-ouchy. Maybe they have up, they're updating their tech. They have new saucers.

The saucers aren't. Saucers? The saucers aren't just like millions of years old. You know, they're releasing new models. The new models have recalls. And this model makes you crash and then you can't do anything about it. And people in New Mexico find you and then they make a million TV shows about it. Just because you're so wise and you're a million years old doesn't mean you don't also make mistakes.

Hence crashes. Also, you think an alien has like a... lives forever? Do you think there's like a lifespan of an alien? Also something Disclosure Day brought up. You know, like you get to be six million years old. You're just like, I just don't want to do it anymore. Well, I mean, look, we can only think in kind of like a carbon

based reality of like cells live and then they die. And this is why also I think that the notion of grays might not be entirely where I land because and I haven't seen them myself. Obviously, if I would see them myself, I'd feel differently. But the notion that like

whatever existed for even a couple hundred years would kind of have the same i don't know they'd have like legs and walk around and have like eyes like i mean if i want to be able to fly if i'm an alien that's what i'm saying like and like do you get old like i i just that's the part where a little bit i'm like have we figured out how to regrow cartilage i don't think like an alien's getting a knee replacement do you think aliens get depressed i mean if they can crash they can be depressed Maybe the depressed aliens are crashing. That's sad. Well, Disclosure Day also, you know, I mean, I think by the time, you know, people hear this, I think most everyone will have seen Disclosure Day.

Yeah, one of the biggest questions that Disclosure Day brings up is if we were to encounter non-human, intelligent beings, how would we treat them? Depends on if they're the nice ones or the not-so-nice ones. If they're trying to destroy our cows, then we may not be. be so pleased. Asking for a friend are the codes of morals and ethics that we know about in this country up to par to deciding how to treat things that we don't understand? Well, first of all, they probably aren't subject to our weapons. So it's like if you can't defend yourself, then you're kind of left to be like, how would you like to treat your own? us again how how historically does our government do not so well with people who we make powerless

well they could ultimately have a lot more power than us if they're not subject to the physical reality that we are you know that that we operate by yeah it's something i hadn't considered until i explain you're worried that we're going to be mean to the aliens people are worried that the aliens are going to be mean to us oh i know i feel like you have a lot more to say I won't say more. Find more of Mime's hot takes over on Substack, Miami-Bi-Lex breakdown on Substack. And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have.

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