Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - PART TWO: Spiritual Awakening Changed Lee Harris’ Life: How to Higher Consciousness

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Psychic Channeler Lee Harris Reveals What Spirit Guides Say About Our Energy & Humanity's Future What if everything you thought you knew about intuition, love, death, and consciousness is only scratching the surface? In this energy update filled with spiritual awakening, channeling, and enlightenment, energy intuitive and psychic medium Lee Harris (author of The Future Human) shares jaw-dropping insights from his 88 spirit guides, "The Z’s," about humanity’s next big awakening—a spiritual shift that’s already underway and accelerating over the next decade. Lee opens up about his early struggles with identity, disordered eating, and sexuality, and how these became unlikely portals to spirituality and self-love. He recounts the first time he received a channeled message, his fear that the voices might be schizophrenia, and why not everyone is destined for a spiritual path—even though we all have access to higher consciousness, guidance, and the positive vibes of the universe. Lee Harris also breaks down: - What The Z’s say about the Epstein case and what it reveals about humanity’s shadow - Why near death experiences (NDEs) are powerful gateways to the spirit realm - The connection between "A Course in Miracles" and the new human consciousness - How writing down messages from the universe unlocks intuitive gifts - Why CEOs are turning to channelers for spiritual guidance and insight - How to raise your emotional vibration and help elevate planetary frequency - The emotional and spiritual benefits of somatic therapy - How to protect your energy as an empath in a noisy world - The cosmic truth about love as a vibrational frequency - Lee’s live channeled message for the MBB podcast—and what it’s bringing into the world Whether you’re on a spiritual awakening journey, exploring the law of attraction, diving into "A Course in Miracles", or simply seeking more happiness and positive vibes, this episode is a heart-opening, perception-shifting conversation you won’t want to miss. Lee Harris' latest book, THE FUTURE HUMAN: New Ways of Living and Being on Earth: ⁠https://a.co/d/gSPjig5⁠ Learn more about Lee Harris and his work: ⁠http://www.leeharrisenergy.com/⁠ Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code BREAK at ⁠mudwtr.com/break⁠! #mudwtrpod Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, I'm Miami-Ellick. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. Lee Harris is the author of The Future Human, New Ways of Living and Being on Earth. He is an energy intuitive and a channeler. He leads a vibrant online community, reaches one million people every month. Please listen to part one of our conversation with Lee Harris, where we literally ask him, how did he come about a spiritual awakening that allows him to channel

information from guides. It's a fascinating story. And in part two, we're going to talk about some of the more practical aspects of what it's like to be a channeler. He also talks about the persecution of healers throughout time and what people are facing now. Also, the rise of consciousness and the battle, really for good and evil, the dark energy that he describes looking to have control over the planet. We actually get a little bit more specific and also how 2020 was a wake-up call for many people and as well. We get into current events. We talk about what's going on right now is in the news cycle, how we can better understand it. And we also ask questions like, do you talk to dead people? What are you like in a relationship? And what do people most commonly seek out channelers for?

We hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Lee Harris and make sure you're following us on Substack because there are exclusive aspects of this conversation that you can't find anywhere else. And please go over to Biolicbreakdown.substack.com. And here is part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. How do I know when I'm talking to you and when I'm talking to the energy because when I channel, I now close my eyes because I don't like channeling open-eyed because people start looking at your eyes. It's creepy. It's creepy and it's kind of distracting because my job as a channeler is to kind of as much as I can bypass my own mind. So if someone's looking at me, so I stopped doing that after a while. So you don't want to be receiving that information.

And I don't want them trying to take that energy from my eyes. That was what I noticed at workshops. I was like, oh, this isn't. And also they're getting distracted. And they're also thinking that I'm the thing that, thanks. They're thinking that I'm the thing that they're supposed to be attaining. And actually, that's not true. I'm a person who is putting something. out into the room or bringing something through me that is designed to help them find themselves. Okay, here's a fun question. What's the longest time period you've ever channeled? Like, do you go on like 48-hour channeling experiences? God, no, no, no, no, no, no. So what's it like? No, no, no, because you get, I get hot. So if I channel for, okay, you have two books in front of you.

You have energy speaks and you have the future human. The future human is a book I did with Regina Meredith. Yes. That was a very intense book for me as a human and as a body to do. And it took me about two weeks to recover. We did about three hours of channeling a day with a lunch break. Well, can you explain the format of the book so people can understand? Got it. So Regina Meredith is a brilliant journalist with Gaia TV.

She's a truth seeker around the hidden in the world and the shadow of the world. So when we decided to collaborate on this book, I did know that some of the topics we would be going into would not be the kind of topics that I would personally spend time in. They aren't actually, it isn't good for me to spend my time in too many of those areas, but because I trusted Regina and I know how on it she is with her research, I said yes. So the book is a series of conversations and the audio, the audible version is the actual conversations as they happened. Of us sat in the studio, I'm channeling and she is going through all these questions about

our world today, war, AI, tech. technology, human health, how did we get into the state? So it's, you know, it's a, it's, yeah, it took me two weeks to recover. But all of the answers are from this entity. Disease, yes. And I call them disease because my audience started calling them the Zees. They never knew whether they were going to get Zachary, Zyodor or Zaffariah. And then around 2013, they said, we're no longer differentiating. We're just going to speak as one group because you need unity, not differentiation. So we're just going to unify again as one voice. Who are the other 85?

I don't know all of them. The only ones that I encountered were more functional. So, for example, I encountered a couple of angelic beings. I encountered a couple of beings who apparently are to do with my energy stability when I'm channeling. So, you know, there's all kinds. There's engineers, there's admin. You know, there seems to be a whole kind of not everyone is on the podium in that group. And nor should they be, I guess.

Do you write them all out in case we ever meet all 88? No, I am the worst, I think because I've been doing this publicly for 21 years. I mean, I will make that spreadsheet for you. Okay. Like, I want to know all their different characters. With you, I would sit down and let you do that conversation. I mean, I would be so curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, because I'm wondering, are they different facets of an experience? Are they different gender expressions? Are they different? What purpose, right? Do they serve? And there was Zachary, obviously, is a male name. And when Zaffiria and Zyreira and Zyodor. came along, they said, you would understand

Zyodorah as the feminine to Zachary's masculine, and you would understand Zaffariah as right in the middle, kind of equal male and female. And they said how you understand male and female is not how we would term it. But I was a little embarrassed to, I had an audience for my channeling

when Zafariah and Zyodorah emerged. And I'll be honest, you know, most of my friends are women. And, you know, I love women. And I was a little embarrassed to be going out there saying I was channeling female entity. I was like, oh, was this okay. And it was, you know, but this is the gift of channeling.

It helps you get over yourself. Okay, so this is what I was going to ask. When you're channeling, let's say, any entity, but a female entity, what does it feel? I loved Zyodorah because it was peace. My God, it was, it was wide, it was peaceful. It was, it was, it was, it was, for me, it was like an embodied experience. of deep, feminine, strong energy.

So strong, but very feminine, it felt very wide from my heart. Zachary is a little different, and I experienced them now not quite as wide as Zayadora was. Zafariah was a little uncomfortable for me because she had a personality, which the others don't really. So she had a bit of a personality, and so it was a bit odd. And how do you know who's going to show up? Well, now they're just a, they said in 2013. We're just going to be one group again because it's better that people aren't focused on who is it, what is it, what genuinely.

So what does the voice sound like? Is it male? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I hear it, it's still the voice of Zachary. And when it comes through my body, it sounds like I think a slightly faster version of my own voice. and a little more He's British.

Yeah, actually more British, more British than I am. Which again is interesting because, you know, you'd like to have some control over it, but you don't. It's like when you choose your Siri. Yeah. Kind of, kind of. I have a friend Wendy Kennedy, who's a great channeler, and she kind of sounds Australian when she does it. It's interesting. But she's not Australian.

She's not. Interesting. Very American. Well, it's quite European in spirit. When you sit down to channel for someone, for example, if you were to channel for me or for my name or for us as a group. An entity. Is it that you're just getting information from your guide?

Do you think that they have consulted with what our guides want and then there's some sort of back channel communication which then gets delivered? Do I have a Zachary? No, you have someone else. Well, I don't know. Maybe Zachary's, no. Source is the same. Yes.

You're getting messages from your guides. Right. Great. My assumption is that your guides have had some backside communication with the guides of the people that you're sitting to communicate with. What everyone would assume. And then you're filtering that through to you. Or you could have connected, for example, directly to Miam's guides and then heard that directly. but the way that you operate, you actually have a relationship with disease,

so the information would get filtered through disease. Disease are not Miams guides. So there would need to be some sort of data transfer in order for you to get the information that's valuable to her. I have guides even if I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, we all have to assume that. That's the working assumption of what I'm trying to explain is that if everyone has guides, they're sort of have information on that person's behalf,

but if they cannot access it directly from their own guides, they're going to go through a channel or an intuitive of some kind. Yes. And that information needs to be communicated. So it's not that the Zs are the guides for everyone, but they would maybe be like, this is kind of a little bit like AI agents. Your AI agent would communicate with the AI agent

of the person who you're going to communicate with and then make an understanding of what the information is and then it happens to go back through your mouth. You're asking me this like I should know the answer. And I mean, I can sit here and think about it, but I do it. So I've never questioned how the sausage is made. I just know how to make the sausage. And basically, and there's two ways I work.

I like to think about the workflow. Right, right. No, and that's good. That's good. And that's why you're wired the way you're wired with that technical mind of yours, which is great. And I love technical people. Because I'm not normally so technical.

I can come at tech, I can come at tech and organization and structure on the back of, I'm kind of experiential first and then I organize. So, so there are two ways I work. And this is true for many intuitives. I can be sat here with you and I can start getting messages and part of it is feeling. And yes, is my channel to them open. Yes, it is. But it's not like they're feeding me words about you and I'm just copying what they're saying. that's me being an intuitive. Me being a channeler is something else. So I'll have my eyes closed. They'll be coming through and I don't, and they'll be talking in a slightly more otherworldly way than I ever would.

But regarding your question, yes, there is a level of permission that you are giving or anyone who is sitting down to a reading is giving to be in that reading. And sometimes people, I think they overly attribute the power to the intuitive or the psychic. It's a two-way exchange. And it's really about what is it that you're meant to hear?

So it's not me sitting there going, oh, I'm going to tell Jonathan something he's been avoiding for years. And I'm going to hit him over the head with that. That's not my job. That's why I brought you here. Thank you. That's not my job. And I just came here to meet C.C. Bloom. Sorry about that.

So my point is, if you're doing your job right, what you're opening to, is something you are a vessel for, but you might leave my room or my phone session with you or my workshop, and I don't fully understand what it is I was just a vessel for you for, but I know if I tune in on being the vessel

and I know that feeling in my body so well now, I know, okay, I did what I was supposed to do. I may never fully understand it. So this is another place where, and we talk about, there's a partnership in this energy exchange. 100%. So if you come, in here with your arms crossed and you're like,

this is BS, I don't want it. Yeah, you're not going to receive it, not because you get some award for being a skeptic, it's that if there is some energy that is exchanged between humans, which we know that there is, there is a place of openness that allows that to come through. Just like when you go to kiss someone and they don't want to be kissed, right? You can sometimes tell from across the room that isn't going to happen.

that's what we're talking about also. So there has to be some willingness and openness. And then I think a lot of people you kind of dismiss it is like, oh, well, you'll believe anything. You're so gullible, right? We got my mother a psychic reading for her birthday last year. She, since my father passed away, which was 10 years ago, since he passed away, she's been a lot more open to other.

Death does that to people. Other realms. And I come from part of it. of my family's Hungarian, and there's a lot of cool, spooky women in many Hungarian families that have strange intuition, beautiful intuition, like a lot of... I mean, your mother says she's psychic. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things. Anyway, but when we got my mother this reading, she was so excited, and she went, and she had

an amazing time. And it was like, well, they told me this about your father, and it confirmed it. And my kids, who are very skeptical, were like, well, that's because she wanted to believe that. But I'm also thinking maybe wanting to believe open something up. We know from the placebo effect. We know from double-blind studies that the placebo effect is real in that if you believe something, if you are open to something, you are more receptive to actual growth, you know, improving immune properties.

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at the end of the session when I was channeling them for her, and she'd gone through this major trauma with someone in her life, and I had been encouraging her to go and work with a somatic therapist for her body, because it was clear that there was so much going on in her mind, there was too much up there,

which meant she couldn't get down into her body and her body wouldn't open. So she... disease said to her, because she was very scared to do it, and they said, part of the reason you're going to work with the somatic therapist is you are suffering from the effects of what another human did to you. And it's not just the skill of the therapist that's going to be the healing for you. It's going to be that another human helps you put yourself back together.

So to me, there's always that element. There's always that element of us helping each other. And I think this is where people go wrong with psychics. They point the finger at the psychic or the media. or the intuitive and they go, oh, well, they're, and it's like, no, they're just an ambassador for a dimension that you may or may not ever believe in, may or may not go into, but it's they're not special. They're just experiencing something and they're tapped into, for whatever reason, for their

path, something that already exists that all of us potentially can tap into or are living in. When I did a course recently called Next Level Healer, I looked up persecution of healers. with Google. Because, you know, this is a wound I've worked with with so many people over the years, and I've come up against it myself as my own work has gone through growth stages. It's like, oh, am I safe out here? And is this okay? And when you Google, why have healers been persecuted in society, it goes back to religion and medicine control. So prior to the times when religious and medicinal control came in, there were lots of people who had all kinds of helpful plants and

herbs and but it all stems from there and the way to ostracize people was to persecute them we know that the witch trials got rid of really powerful brilliant women who weren't allowed to be in power and a load of them just got bumped off under the guise of being a witch so to me this is such an ancient history and i've heard that from them we're just in a period of society where it has been in not in every culture but in in the western world certainly scrubbed out denied no you this is the system this is what you're going to do. And actually, you can't stop people tapping into spirit. So death is a great opener for people.

And it's great your kids are skeptical. It's great they're skeptical. Let them be skeptical to the end of their life or let them be skeptical until they're 24 and something happens to them. Because this is the other thing. I think people often are fixated on spiritual teachers, gurus, psychics as trying to trick people into something. Well, a lot of people.

No, if you are, trust me, and there are, there are. But in my experience, and I've worked with thousands of healers around the world now, most of them are really loving good people with like, we all have their own stuff, but they are committed to, as the Zs call it, working in the dimension of healing. Even when I did my latest course, Next Level healer, I knew the word healer was going to be a bit of a problem, but I was determined and it was like, no, that is the word. So I set about redefining what is the word healer? We're all healing each other all the time. Your worst enemy is a healing force in your life, even though you don't like it.

Our friends and our loved ones will help us heal when we're going through something. But there are those on the planet who stand for the dimension of healing. They might be a nurse. They might be a doctor. They might be an acupuncturist. They might be a kid's counselor. There's so many different hats you can wear to help people transform their lives. They might just be a codependent.

That too. That too. So it was interesting doing next level healer and kind of going to Google going, I've never Googled this. And it was interesting if you Google why are healers so persecuted in society, you see it all there and you see the history of it laid out. And you're like, so, you know, one of the things I said to the healers as we're going through the wound part is I said, you know, this is a wound that has been carried for hundreds of years. It's lineage that we all interact with as we put our heads above the power. and stand for what we're standing for.

But if you're compelled to stand for it, that's your life, that's your path. You're not going to back away from it. You're just going to have to do some work on the part of you that is nervous every time you want to step forward. I want to know what the most surprising information is that you've received from your entities. Meaning, was there ever something that when it came through, you were like, there is no way that I could have would have generated this, either something that came true for someone or something that you were like,

I didn't know the answer to Avagadro's number, and now I do. Yeah, I'm not, it's funny, I'm not a scientific person. So, and I've noticed this with channelers, when you meet the channeler, you also see their alignment. Like I've met some of the very scientific channelers as people and they're very scientific people. So there is an alignment.

So I'm not necessarily the person who's going to give you some extraordinary number sequence through my channel. But there have been things along the way about parts of history that I'd never investigated or concepts that kind of I was like, is that true? And then I'd hear about it or read about it years later. So there have been a number of those things over the years, which to me, it doesn't, again, doesn't make me special. means everything is there in the field. It's whether or not you tap into it. Everything exists. It's just where our focus goes as to whether we're finding it or engaging with it. So I'm not very surprised these days, but I'm also like not looking to prove something to myself. So I guess I don't really track that stuff anymore. But in the early years, it was quite nice

when you'd go, oh, I heard that from the Z's years ago. That's kind of nice to know. Or, oh, that's interesting. This concept the Zs gave me, there is, in, in, Eskimo culture, that's a thing. Do the Zs have any information or chime in on current events? They do because my audience asks. So every month I go live and take audience questions in a members community I have called The Portal. So yeah, I mean, they do.

How do they feel about the Epstein drama? Smoke screen, the word smoke screen. Say more. there is truth in it and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things. There is truth in the story and that's why

we're not supposed to look at it too deeply because it will take us down a tunnel that will reveal a lot more and a lot of people already I think have access to some of that stuff. What is it that we're supposed to be looking at? If not that, if that's a smokescreen and...

Don't make the Zs be a political... analyst. Yeah, and I also, you know, I think what I think what's tricky in our soundbitey culture is anything I say now can get pulled, can get used, and will get misinterpreted. That's a bigger, a bigger question. But the one thing they've talked about is control. They've talked about planetary control and that that's a current goal and aim for a very small shadow group on the planet. And that is something that's been playing out, they say, for a very long time. But it's rising to the surface to be publicly seen now in a way that we've never, ever seen in our lifetime.

And so for many people, it's a destabilizing or horrific experience and time. And for others who have perhaps been aware of some of the shadow stuff for years, it's kind of a time that some people have been waiting for, not looking forward to, because it's messy, it's difficult, it's dark. They did say a few years ago that we could be in a way worse position now. We could have been in a way worse position a decade ago than we are now. So they do say that there is a rising consciousness on the planet that is both also rising the dark and the control

because there's a frequency battle going on between those two poles. And the question is how bad does it have to get before it gets better? And they say that that's very much up to how we as a humanity, play it. And this is a time where we're moving out of top-down control of the people and we're in a period of time, not just a year, but a set of years and decade that's all about people revolution and power back to the people. People remembering they have a lot of power before we farmed out our power and the way that we are living to a system that has slowly over time become even more corrupt. If I were to ask Lee that same question, as opposed to asking what the Z's, would it be a

different answer? Well, and I was speaking on their behalf from things that I've remembered that they've said. No, for sure. Yeah. But that's sort of what I'm curious about in trying to sort of distinguish, right? If people are only listening, there's a body posture that changes when you're recounting when you're counting and you're sharing that. When I asked you that question. I wasn't even channeling, but yeah, I'm going back to that place. But you're, it's, you know, if someone is only listening to that answer, they won't get the nuance of looking at you and saying all of a sudden, you know, in previous responses, you're looking, you're engaged, your head is a certain way, and then now all of a sudden, when you start

a more philosophical, planetary conversation, your head tilts, your eyes are gazing up. Yes. And you're pulling information from somewhere else, whether that, and I'm not speculating and I'm not denying that it is, you know, disease versus, like, and this is why I think it almost doesn't matter in a way. It matters. It matters depending on who you are and where you are. So to me, it doesn't matter.

Yeah. To you, it probably doesn't matter. I think when you've been in this kind of realm for a long time, the details start to matter. But I understand completely, and you're also being an ambassador for the audience. If I asked Lee about the Epstein files, he might be like, fucking that's crazy. Like, Trump was in it and blah, blah. You know, I'm curious if there's that much of a. difference for you. The problem for me is I'm too privy to this stuff for too long. When they first

started talking to me about shadow stuff, and it wasn't because they were telling me it against my will, I would ask questions about the world. I did not like the answers. Like, this was not the world I wanted to see. I, you know, I was in a nice, I mean, I was in my own little self-growth spirituality bubble, and it was a curated bubble, and it was a bubble that was helping me. And then all of a sudden, you know, shit got real. I don't know if I can say that, sorry. But it was a It was a sobering, I went through a very sobering year and a half in about 2009, where this was a part of my reality and it was coming to terms with, oh, well, if this is real and if this is true, and all I can say as Lee is, at the time, some of the stuff that they were telling me that seemed a little sci-fi, we are now watching on television screens. And that's kind of interesting. You're like, oh, they were not. You know, stuff that I would have hoped they were wrong about or I was miss. Like, maybe I'm channeling wrongly.

Some of the stuff that we're seeing right now. Some of the, yeah, some of the darkness that's playing out, acting out. And, yeah. I'll give you an example of something that could have easily sounded like sci-fi and or would-be sci-fi too many people still. We just this week released an episode with Greg Braden. He talks about planetary control. and the risk of giving up aspects of our humanity and talks about the World Economic Forum,

working through the UN, with the possibility of implanting chips into infant's brains to help the next generation compete in an increasingly competitive world. That can sound absolutely crazy to many people until you start to dig in and to say, are these conversations happening? Yes. Are there initiatives?

Doesn't mean that they're being implemented yet, but that could it be possible that this is actually being talked about? Now, who gets control of those chips? How are they implemented? Where is the data stored? Like, all of a sudden, you can see that's a huge, has many implications for the entire population. Now you're like, is that dark energy?

Is that positive energy? You know, you're splitting the two sides of a coin to say, you know, what is for humanity's benefit and what isn't. And it starts to get really sci-fi and freaky and kind of crazy. You have, in theory, a connection to a source of like truth with a capital T. Right. As yes, although many people, of course, would argue that or would disagree. I have a voice that I can go to when I am perplexed about my life or things in the world.

and I speak to them, I might speak to them three times in a week, I might not speak to them for four weeks. It just depends what's going on in my life and I'm in their energy all the time because of my work. It's interesting, isn't it? Because it's all about, are you controlling fear or are you controlling love on the planet?

And to keep people away from a loving world, you need them to be in fear. And we saw what happened in 2020 in the amount of unnecessary fear that was pumped into people. at a time where that's not what, you know, a healthy, healthy, and I'll say it, healthy world leadership would have taken care of people in a completely different way. And I think in a weird way, 2020 was the beginning of a worldwide wake-up for many people. And we're still in that wake-up,

and there is a lot more to come out. The Zs have said, you know, more is going to keep coming out that will shock people. Do you talk to dead people? Only for clients. And that hasn't been my choice, but they've come through in certain readings. What does that feel like? Lovely. God, dead people are so happy. No, they are, really. They're so happy.

They don't have to be here anymore. No, because they're no longer in the construct of ego and personality. And it's very moving when you verifying something for a person hits them. Because, of course, what do we want with our loved ones? We want the connection back in some way. So it's been an interesting aspect of the work, not one I've ever advertised. Before we let you go, I wonder if you can sort of give us, you know, your understanding of what you were placed here both to do and to channel. Right. Yeah. This. So I didn't understand this as a kid. I was drawn to expression.

as a kid and I was full of expression in many creative ways. But my job, or what I've understood of this period of my life this last 21 years is to, to, I think, make it safe and grounded for people to explore their spirituality. And occasionally, I'm spirituality rehab. Occasionally, I'm the person that will say, no, you don't have to believe what the healer told you. No, you don't have to believe what that. You know, I think I'm, I'm, I'm, my own philosophy of life is I'm a human being having a spiritual experience, right, which is most people.

So both are true for me. And I, what I hear from people is, what I hear repeatedly is they like that I'm relatable and spiritual. Whereas I think when I was growing up, I didn't see that modeled a lot, the two together. But that wasn't anything by design. I think that's just, you know, you get feedback when you're out there doing your thing. You hear the same feedback time and time again, and it tells you something about what you're standing for for other people.

Yeah. And one more kind of personal question. What's it like for you to be in a romantic relationship? Well, I'm single right now. So it's really easy right now. No, but do you feel like your energy is essentially for channeling and those kind of interactions, or is there room for you to sort of engage on that level? Oh, completely.

Oh, completely. No, I am my most serious self when I'm doing this work. And I'm, no, I'm, yeah, no, I'm, and I don't normally bring these topics of conversation up. I mean, I have loads of connections in my life where these, these things are not the topic of conversation. And I also need that balance, you know, I'm a full-time worker. So it's like, you know, you need a break. So people hand me spiritual books and I'm like, no thanks. I'll do comedy, I'll do conversations about your life.

I need the balance. But in relationship, I think, you know, for me, like many, relationship has been like the learning area. I think I've had some beautiful relationships, and I think I'm coming to the point now. I just got divorced a couple of years ago. I was married for five years. We were together for almost eight.

I've got to the point where I know I need to be in a partnership where the two of us have some kind of. of equality in what we do and the interaction is coming from that place and wanting to walk alongside each other. I think in all my other relationships so far, I've been learning and growing. So I don't even really know who I'm going to be in my next partnership because this is, I'm in a bit of a new phase the last couple of years. Well, it's the first thing I would ask on date one. Tell me about what the Zs say about our relationship. And actually, I prefer it if people don't know about my work. I much prefer it if I can just meet them as a human and we can have our connection

and then, you know, and actually I will tell you a story with Stephen, my ex-husband. The first night he came to see me do my thing to an audience of people in Sydney, Australia, it was very interesting. He said to me at the end of the night, he said, okay, he said, because he'd just flown to Australia where I was on a tour and he said, I'm going to take a shower. because I have jet lag, and then I'm going to come back, and you're going to explain to me what just happened in that room. You didn't prep him? Well, we'd been together three months.

You've got to see it, though. You've got to see it. And also, when I work in a workshop room, I'm working with people. It's not just here's a channeled recording, here's a book. I'm working with people. It's in real time. It's in real time. So transformation is happening in action. And I literally, he went to the shower, and I was like, oh, God, he's going to dump me

Now, like that was my, and he couldn't believe that was my narrative. But my narrative around that would be, I hope this isn't a problem for my relationship. And actually, it wasn't. It was the opposite. I have two sort of closing questions. One of them, I think we could have covered way earlier. What do people come to you for? Like, what are people who are going to workshops or consulting or looking for help and advice?

What is, what's going on with them often? Because I don't do one thing, it's many things. But I would say that the types of people who I tend to commonly get come to me are people who are already somewhat sensitive, empathic or open and they're looking to go deeper with it. People who love channeling and that really works for them. People who are healers. People, you know, I have a lot of people who are practitioners. For example, the energy update.

You know, I have loads of practitioner friends or people in the field who will often say to me, oh, God, the energy update really helped me. I didn't know they were watching. So I think it depends. Some people come for a quick fix of, oh, good, I just need to know how I feel. He sometimes works for me. I'll use the energy update. Okay, good.

Other people go really deep and they want to come to all the workshops and they want to, you know, take online courses. But I think ultimately people are looking for themselves and you might be a person, who can help them open some doorways in themselves. Very helpful. And then I think there's a lot of people out there who are listening to different information on how to be more intuitive,

how to regulate their emotions, how to maybe develop extra sensory abilities or hone their senses or maybe they're an empath that they feel overwhelmed. If someone is seeking, struggling, not, hasn't found the right footing, Do you have a general advice that you would give them to, you know, move towards a place where with more balance, more optimism, more sense of purpose in their life? What would you say to them?

The first thing I would say is know what you're seeking and why and know your pain. Because often we will go and seek things to outrun our pain. And many of us did. You know, I'm no different. You know, I went to spirituality and self-growth because I had a big bag of pain that I knew was in my way. and I think sometimes people don't always tend to those two things separately and actually it can be very healthy to go, okay, I know I'm seeking spirituality, but let me also look at my human story so far in life and wow, it has been quite wounded.

Let me look at those wounds. So I would say really know why you're looking into spirituality and what you're looking for, but also understand who you are that has brought you there because that can just quicken the process. And then secondly, trust yourself, which can be a very hard thing to say, but there is a tendency,

because we think we don't know anything about spirituality, we'll believe anybody. Or we'll believe the first person that tells us, the fifth dimension should always be seen as blue and you access it by X, Y, and Z. I'm so not a fan of rules. Like, you know, people will say, well, how do you become more, less anxious?

it depends who the person is. It depends on their trauma history. It depends where they're at. It depends on their level. Sure, there are going to be some common areas around anxiety that will work for most people. But the problem with spirituality is people, we as humans, have a tendency to want the answer.

And the answer is linear, rigid, and it's in a box. As soon as you go into spirituality, you're in a multidimensional world. You are no longer in human land. So your human brain often has trouble breaking down those definitions and going, well, hang on. Well, this teacher said to get to the fifth dimension

I need to drink water only for a week. And then this person said to get to the, and who's right? And it's like neither of them are correct. It's up to you to decide. It's you're going to get there yourself if the fifth dimension even matters to you. And some people really care about that stuff.

So I think you have to go into it knowing this is going to be a big playing field. This might take me a lot of time. But if I know why I'm here, what I'm looking for, but equally, if I'm honest with myself, about my basis. Oh, my basis is I've come out of two abusive relationships. I also need to look at that so that I'm taking care of that imbalance in myself and not letting that imbalance drive all my decisions over here in the spiritual field, which is why I'm self-growth and spirituality. I'm both.

And for me, that's the balance point that works for me. So it's just a few things I would say. I think it's super helpful. Thank you. This was such a fascinating conversation and really appreciate you're explaining all the things that I wanted explained in particular, because I know it's not necessarily the framework that you have to operate in. No, but I get it. And thank you for your questions. Thank you for having me. It was very nice to meet you both from being here.

Of course. I don't really know what to say about our new friend Lee Harris. Because I really expected, I didn't watch him. I read about him, and obviously Valerie prepares a fantastic document. but I kind of purposely didn't want to see him do his work or look up his videos. I just wanted to like, what's the information? Let's meet this guy. I had no idea.

I didn't think it would be like this. You thought he'd have more petulia on it. I thought it would be very clear. Metaphorical petuli. I thought it would be very clear that like, this guy's making this up. He's making it up. He's a smart person. So he knows beautiful and wise things about the universe.

And, you know, in his, in my defense, it's not like he's saying anything so shocking, you know, like, oh, we all need to put on purple hats and wear high heels. You know, then I'd be like, wow. But he's saying things that make sense that are very in line with a lot of psychological, you know, structure, a lot of mystical structure. So I just thought he's a guy who's making it up and he's having some delusional experience. I do not believe that anymore. You don't believe he's having a delusional experience. No, I don't think he's delusional.

What do you believe? What do you take away? And like, also, he told you that you are very spiritual. You don't like that. You always say you're not spiritual. You're not intuitive. He says otherwise. Well, what I think is happening is that in the same way that certain people have an easier time

dropping into a meditative space or have learned the skills with which to do so, something opened for him from a place of pain, you know? He describes that his kind of, he had a, he had a spiritual awakening, right? It's what a 12-step program would call it, right? He had a spiritual awakening, and that awakening came with information that I cannot explain that he's generating on his own. I think what I appreciate about Lee is that he doesn't have all the answers. meaning he can't necessarily explain what's happening or why or how.

He's just experiencing something. And I do believe that he's allowed to make a living at what he does. And I also believe that his message is really one of love, openness, camaraderie, friendship, and connection. Like, those are all good things. I agree. If you're watching this podcast right now, I am leaning over in my chair so that Archie doesn't eat. The lever at the bottom of the chair that makes it go up and down. He likes to chew on the levers of these chairs.

I've noticed that. It's a little bit distracting. I really do like the future human because it is literally, I mean, as he said, it was an entire channeled book. So all of the answers are from the Zs. There's so many things here. I mean, we didn't even get to it because I, I mean, I was just so fascinated with his process and how he does this.

One thing I will say to people who are only listening, not watching, I watched his face and his head. Something different happens. And something was happening when he was kind of going into his reading of you, which was his face was getting redder, his head was getting hotter. He wasn't like full on sweating, but the skin coloration had changed. And I'm curious if anyone watching noticed that. If you did definitely comment, I think it's an interesting, you know, he said he gets hotter.

And so I was watching that happen. So one of the things that is talked about in this book is he believes that there's something going on for a lot more people who are having access to this kind of information, who are interested in this kind of information. I think we can see it even just by our podcast and what people are interested in and kind of asking us to talk more about. And he said that this kind of, you know, you could call it telepathic communication. you could call it, you know, synchronicity. It says that this will become more and more normal. There are still some people who are surprised when they choose to reach out to a friend

just as the friend is also calling them or sending a message at the exact same time. This is going to become more and more the norm. It's because the speed of your connection has not yet cut off with the awareness of your mind and intuition. You're all energetically connecting with each other in stronger ways.

I just thought that was interesting. It's something we talk about in how we reconnected, after many years of not speaking years ago. And, yeah, he also talks a lot about sexual energy here, but I'm not going to get into that right now. Well, Deepak talks in our episode about how we're at a precipice where humanity is changing.

And sort of the, not negative, but the skeptical side of this is that, oh, everyone says that humanity has been changing and there's been all these periods of time and there was a change of consciousness in the 60s. And I don't necessarily know that that changes or degrade the fact that it's happening now as well. But it does seem like more people are aware of the skills and abilities that we all have and that our human experience can have a level of interconnection that we're beginning to realize

on a deeper level. If you'd like to hear more about Lee Harris, go to Lee Harrisenergy.com. I'm very, very curious to learn more about him. I mean, we learned so much today, but there's a lot more. Make sure to follow us on Substack. we've got some really special exclusive content from this episode that is over on substack. Go to biolicbreakdown.substack.com. The breaker community is eager to meet you over there.

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