Mayim Bialik's Breakdown - Spiritual Awakening Changed Lee Harris’ Life & How We Can All Connect to Higher Consciousness

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

Psychic Channeler Lee Harris Reveals What Spirit Guides Say About Our Energy & Humanity's Future What if everything you thought you knew about intuition, love, death, and consciousness is only scratching the surface? In this energy update filled with spiritual awakening, channeling, and enlightenment, energy intuitive and psychic medium Lee Harris (author of The Future Human) shares jaw-dropping insights from his 88 spirit guides, "The Z’s," about humanity’s next big awakening—a spiritual shift that’s already underway and accelerating over the next decade. Lee opens up about his early struggles with identity, disordered eating, and sexuality, and how these became unlikely portals to spirituality and self-love. He recounts the first time he received a channeled message, his fear that the voices might be schizophrenia, and why not everyone is destined for a spiritual path—even though we all have access to higher consciousness, guidance, and the positive vibes of the universe. Lee Harris also breaks down: - What The Z’s say about the Epstein case and what it reveals about humanity’s shadow - Why near death experiences (NDEs) are powerful gateways to the spirit realm - The connection between "A Course in Miracles" and the new human consciousness - How writing down messages from the universe unlocks intuitive gifts - Why CEOs are turning to channelers for spiritual guidance and insight - How to raise your emotional vibration and help elevate planetary frequency - The emotional and spiritual benefits of somatic therapy - How to protect your energy as an empath in a noisy world - The cosmic truth about love as a vibrational frequency - Lee’s live channeled message for the MBB podcast—and what it’s bringing into the world Whether you’re on a spiritual awakening journey, exploring the law of attraction, diving into "A Course in Miracles", or simply seeking more happiness and positive vibes, this episode is a heart-opening, perception-shifting conversation you won’t want to miss. Lee Harris' latest book, THE FUTURE HUMAN: New Ways of Living and Being on Earth: https://a.co/d/gSPjig5 Learn more about Lee Harris and his work: http://www.leeharrisenergy.com/ Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code BREAK at mudwtr.com/break! #mudwtrpod Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube.com/mayimbialik Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I don't remember having telepathic communication before, so it's very interesting how normal it felt. I literally heard from above my head this very loud and clear voice say, that's an interesting theory, but you're wrong. And here's why. You were not on drugs. No. You were not drunk.

Not only my mind calmed down, but there was a different opening and feeling in my body, which I now know as channeled energy. I said, what are you? And they said, we are your guides. Lee Harris is a renowned psychic channeler. psychic channeler. Over a million people a month seek his spiritual advice on health, relationships, and finance.

Everyone is in relationship with other dimensions. We all have access to spirit and to our higher self or our soul. Do these these have any information about the Epstein trauma? There is truth in it and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things. They've talked about planetary control and that that's a current goal and aim for a very small shadow group on the planet. And that is something that's been playing out, they say, for a very long time. But it's rising to the surface to be publicly seen now. And the question is, how bad does it have to get before it gets better?

Do you want me to tell you something about yourself? Uh-oh. Hi, I am I. Am Bialik. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to our breakdown. We're here to ask, why am I here? We're here to ask, what are the abilities that I have been given that allow me to change the world? Big questions today, and this is a topic that we were worried about tackling, would you say?

Very worried, very skeptical, very concerned about what we would be sharing with this audience. Tell us more. Well, we're speaking to someone who was on a sort of spiritual journey in his 20s and received information from a voice that was not his. And his first thought was, am I schizophrenic? And his second thought was, I don't think so, what is happening? And he is someone who is very grounded, very intelligent, very interested in trying to understand the skills and abilities that he believes he was given. He is an intuitive.

He is a, he's someone who channels. He channels information and has a large and devoted following of people who seek advice about relationships and finance and work. And he's a musician. His name is Lee Harris. And his latest book, The Future Human, New Ways of Living and Being on Earth is available. It's kind of an unbelievable story. And I don't really want to say a lot more. I think if you've ever if you've ever experienced something that felt like it was coming from outside of you, you'll want to hear someone describe very specifically what it feels like in his body, what it sounds like in his head, and why he thinks he was placed here with this information.

Just before we get into this episode, I want to take 30 seconds. If you aren't already subscribed to the podcast, please do us a favor. Subscribe anywhere you're listening right now or on YouTube. click the little bell notification to get notified of new episodes. It really does help us out so much. And our pledge to you is we are going to do our best to have the most interesting guests, cover the widest range of topics that mean the most to you. We cannot thank you enough. Thank you so much for being here with us on this journey. And with that, we're going to welcome in person Lee Harris. He leads a vibrant online community.

He reaches one million people every month. The portal is his online. events and members community. And he's also an accomplished music producer and singer-songwriter. Also, you can learn more about Lee Harris at Lee Harris Energy.com. Very excited to welcome Lee Harris to The Breakdown in person. Break it down. Lee Harris, welcome to The Breakdown. I'm very happy to be here. Thank you for having me. So you have a question for us to get started.

Yes. It was, why am I here? Like on earth? Well, no, that question, I'm working on myself. I was more, I was more, I was very pleased to get the invite, but I was like, oh, that's curious. I'm curious why that was curious. And this is not a true question. Because we are such distinguished intellectuals in the scientific realm that he might think, why do we want to talk about some of this? Was that the reason? Like, what struck you?

I'll tell you. So I think I saw several episodes of your show about two or three years ago, and I thought it was great. And, but I also, I think maybe at the time, I didn't, think I would be the kind of guess you would have on. You could be right. Right. Meaning from years ago. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was a couple, yeah, two or three years ago maybe when I first saw it. So I was, I was familiar with the podcast. And then you are an imprint from my childhood because of beaches. Oh. So, and, you know, I always have said this about your performance in beaches is one of those rare child actor performances where they got it right. Oh, that's really sweet. Where the kid didn't just look like the person they had cast, but also had.

the energy. Like, you believed that you and Betmidler were the same person, which is super rare. So I watched Beaches so many times in my teenagers. So it was kind of trippy to go, oh, okay, I'm going to have to... I'm not saying that the answer is we search out people who love Beaches to bring them on the podcast. In this very chair, quite recently, Johan Hari, who is not from necessarily the exact place you're from, but has a British accent. He also was a huge Beaches fan. And we talked about And I actually just wrote a piece for Substack about beaches and about that experience and how it came about. So that's just very funny and interesting.

I think that the fact that you weren't sure why you're here is, I think, a bit of a testament to what we see as kind of the evolution of this podcast. Right. Which is that, you know, we started as sort of democratizing mental health. The more experts we spoke to, the more common it was. that the notion that people should, should, and it would benefit them to have a connection to something greater than themselves, was a profoundly reoccurring theme, topic, and set of advice. And how to do that, all roads lead to Rome, right? There are endless ways to do that. And we've looked at the scientific.

We've looked at the mystical. We looked at the science overlapping the mystical. And what's interesting about this world, which is a little bit more where I come from, is that I was always a very skeptical seeker. I come from a very rational, practical, logical background. It makes more sense when someone can explain the mechanisms than when they can't. And the more I explored spirituality, alternative medicine, alternative healing, the more out there it can get. and the more discerning one has to be because there can be things that are seemingly mind-opening and expanding

that seem absolutely crazy, that have validity. It can seem out there, but you can also start to explain the tradition and the mythology and why it makes sense. And then there's other people who are like, I'm going to wave crystals over you and I'm going to, like, the list goes on about how it can be weirder and stranger. So to tie it back to you and why you're here, I think it's important to have conversations with people from all different walks of the energetic and consciousness world. We have doctors. We have people who are studying this in labs and people who speak about their experience outside of labs. And then we also have a variety of others. And I think you may fall into the other category. For me, I was raised with a,

concept of God that I have kept. It was big enough to hold all of my questions and all those things. So I have, you know, a concept of God and I took on a lot of observance, a lot of ritual in college, and I was very, I lived a very traditional, religious, you know, kind of existence. And also I'm trained as a scientist. I don't find any conflict between those. So for me, I'm very interested when when I start hearing the same words in different languages, that's when I get interested in what's that oneness and what's the, you know, what is something universal that we can kind of learn. So, you know, we've had Teresa Caputo here, right? And then we've had theoretical physicists here. And, you know, I'm always interested in listening for this

similarity to try and find, like, if there is something out there, right, which I believe there is, it's going to speak to people in different ways. It's going to speak to different cultures in different ways, it's going to speak to different individuals. And what you can offer us is a very personal experience of contact that I think a lot of people on one hand might dismiss and we'll talk about that and you deal with it head on, you know, and I appreciate that as well. And we have other people who may not be able to explain it but believe it. And then we have people who don't need to explain it because they believe it, right? We also have people who, if it's not explained in a lab, don't want to know about it. Of course. Yeah. That's the world. Yeah. It's most of the world. Yeah.

I'll be honest, you know, there's many aspects to this conversation that I'm not exactly sure how to approach. Right. But I think we're just going to, you know, kind of dive right in. We will also do an intro just so you know before. Like, once you're gone, we'll read your bio and, you know, we'll do that. So we'll cover all that stuff too. Or where do you want to start? Oh, I know exactly where I want to start. Okay. Go ahead.

I'm excited. Okay. You have a personal connection to something greater than all of us that you didn't always have contact with. No. I wonder if you can tell us a little bit about who you were before a very specific, literally life-shattering, life-changing revelation, came to you, I believe, when you were on a subway. Yes. And that happened when I was 23, so 26 years ago now.

So who I was. I was, at that age, I was someone who was recovering from dealing with the impact of a childhood where I knew that people weren't telling the truth about what they were feeling. So you could say empathy, sensitivity. but of course I didn't have a cognitive awareness of that. So of course it's easy to look back now and say that. But at the time, I was dealing with my experience of the world not quite making sense. I was also dealing with sexuality because I knew I was gay from a young age

and I was told by the world that was going to be a huge problem. And that I wouldn't find love. I wouldn't be able to experience what all my peers and friends and loved ones experienced. So there were those two aspects moving through me. And I'd come out of a period of bulimia after losing 60 pounds at the age of 16. Wow. So I'd had this very interesting kind of journey with identity. I knew what it was to wear a body that people treated you a certain way for.

And then when I lost all the way, I noticed that the way everyone treated me changed. And rather than that being a good thing and just like, well, hey, I managed to achieve the goal of what I wanted, which was to not be carrying all the extra weight. What really struck me was the very same people who would have scowled at me or scorned me now appreciate it. So there was this very dysmorphic sense of, whoa, what is the world and how do people relate to each other?

But I hadn't worked anything out. I was really just trying to recover. So I got very into self-growth and spirituality and metaphysics at the age of 16. And a friend took me to a tarot reading. And at that tarot reading, everything made sense. And it wasn't just the information she was giving me that was very interesting and was very unusually accurate about my past and what I'd experienced so far.

The past I could verify. The future you can't verify, but the past, I was like, oh, how does she, how is this appearing? Or can you. Well, yes, you can. You can, actually. But I couldn't verify it at the time because it was all new to me. But something in that room felt true. So I read a lot, I studied a lot.

there was a book by Shirley MacLean that was pivotal for me called Out in the Lim. But the one area of that book, and it was a huge book, lots of people read it, was she visited a channeler. And that was something I wasn't interested in. It wasn't something I thought, I loved Tara readers and intuitives, but to me, channeler was just a bit beyond.

And a friend took me to see one. And I remember coming out of that with this guy and saying to her as we drove home in the car, Well, he's really intuitive because he knew things about me. He shouldn't have known. And the things he was telling me about my future were really interesting. But why did he have to close his eyes and put on a funny voice? He's clearly intuitive.

Why the performance? I didn't need that. I'm a believer. I don't need a performance. Because he didn't seem like someone who would fake something. But channeling to me was weird. And it was not necessary. I was into self-growth.

I was into intuition. channeling was a step beyond. And then it happened to me. My NBi Alex's breakdown is supported by Superpower. We all know the feeling of leaving a doctor's office and kind of feeling like we didn't get anything out of the experience that was useful. Maybe they're like, you're fine, drink more water. There's no real data.

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Did you believe in, you know, any sort of that? I must have believed in God because at the age of 10, I was praying to God to take away the fact I was gay. And I did that for years, hoping that there would be some divine intervention, of course, not realizing, oh, you can actually be a happy gay person. You're just living at a time where it's still new. And, you know, and there's going to be some work to do to uncover and recover yourself. But did you decide that God must not exist because I'm still gay? Or did you, I mean, now in retrospect, obviously God loved you exactly the way you. that you are. Right. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't grow up in a religious household. It was very loose.

You know, we went to church a few times over the years, but it was more like, oh, it's Christmas or so no, I didn't grow up with religion. But I did believe in spirit and I had direct experiences with spirit that were quite undeniable to me. I mean, I was buying all the books. I was going to workshops. I was checking out shamanism. I was exploring because I was like, there is something about this world that makes our world make way more. sense to me because our world feels like watching an old black and white movie that isn't very good. And you add spirit to our world and suddenly the color is back. Things are 3D.

Sensory abilities are celebrated in this world. And I think what I didn't know was I was a shut down, but highly sensory person. Before we get to the moment that Lee as we knew him became a different Lee, I'm going to ask you a hard question because we're just getting to know each other, but I think it's important because it's something that also comes up a lot. You can be as specific or as vague as you would like. Many people who are in touch with different levels of consciousness, either theirs or other peoples, have experienced trauma.

Either capital T or lowercase T depends on a definition. But there seems to be what we keep hearing is this thread of if you've had to leave your body. If you've had to be in touch with something to escape this reality, does it make you more attuned to being able to step outside of your body or experience other realities? Would you say you fell into this classification? I think so. When you put it that way and I look at my upbringing, I was always somewhat on the outside, even though I could connect. And I had good relationships. and I came from a family that there was love. So it wasn't family that was my issue.

It was more dealing with the world at large. Okay. So take us to the day that your world changed. Yeah. So I was working in fundraising at the time and I was on my way to the office. I was trying to break into the music industry unsuccessfully at the time. And so I was going through in my head all of my own

negative thoughts, like what I called my self-attack or self-judge. And they were very present. And I knew that voice so well. Like, the voice didn't scare me. It was just how loud is it going to get today and how much is that going to depress me? And I was in a relationship at the time and I was asking a question about him. And I was just kind of in my head kind of going, oh, yeah, I'm sure that's, yeah, that's definitely his fault and why is he? And I very clearly, from above my head, and this is still where I hear them if I speak to them directly, which is different to if I'm channeling them for other people. I hear them from here, and I literally heard this very loud and clear voice say,

that's an interesting theory, but you're wrong. And here's why. Were you on drugs? No. Were you drunk? It was the morning. No, it was like 8.30. No, no, no.

Okay. No, I wasn't. So you were not on drugs. No. You were not drunk. No. and I was on one of the most disconnected places on earth, which is the subway. That's the thing when I look back at it.

I'm like, shouldn't this have happened in some spiritual retreat or monastery? No, it happened in the place where everyone is shut down, everyone is avoiding each other. But that was something I was familiar with. In a way, I was familiar with a level of that being the truth of life. So the voice said, you're wrong and here's why. And it gave me this answer that was shockingly true, because, as soon as I heard it, I went, oh, it was like a wise friend giving you the piece of information, but two things happened. If my body and my energy field, because of myself, attack, before I heard

the voice, kind of looked a bit like, you know, kind of like this, during the, however many sentences it was, where they explained why this was my issue, what the issue was and why it was bothering me, not only my mind calmed down, but my body just kind of opened. And I felt myself, it felt different. There was a different opening and feeling in my body, which I now know as channeled energy. But at the time, that was the thing. It wasn't just words. It was a, it was a liberation energetically. And so very quickly, I thought to myself, uh-oh, what is this? And I said, what are you? And they said, we are your guides. Were you talking out loud? You're talking in your head. No, no, no, no. Not, no. Well, I mean, if you're

hearing voices, you might as well talk out loud to them. It's a really good point because I don't remember having telepathic communication before. So it's very interesting how normal it felt. People often say to me, were you scared? And I'm like, no, the only time I got scared was when I realized I might have to explain this to other people. I was completely comfortable with it because it felt so loving, so comfortable. Loving in a clear way, it wasn't pandering to me because I asked loads of questions over those

first few weeks and months. and it never pandered. It would always tell me if I was wrong and why, but not in a judgy way. But the kind of the thing that hit me when I asked, are you my guides? I said, do you have a name? And they said, well, we don't have names,

but we know humans need names. So you can call me Zachary and I'm the lead spokesperson for the guides. And at this time, I had never heard of a group. All I'd heard about was, you know, I'd heard of a few channelers and they channeled an entity or a being. So spirit guides to me was very acceptable.

It wasn't like they said we're aliens from the 20th dimension, which I'd have been like, oh, you know, I would have been scared of that. But because I understood they were my guides, I started this relationship with them that I would go home and I would write a question and I would write what I would hear like a telephonist or a receptionist. Okay, okay. This is, I mean, this is, it's fascinating.

It's fascinating. But I'm going to ask like an obvious question. Sure. And I want a real answer to it, right? So sometimes I'll think things. Yeah. And I will hear the thoughts in my head, right? That's not what you're talking about.

Okay, so this is what I'm interested in. When we talk to people, let's say, who have had near-death experiences, and they go away and then they come back, they overwhelmingly come back with what can only be described as a download, meaning the time that they're gone is not enough time for them to learn the things that they learned that they didn't know before. Right. So Elizabeth Crone

a person who was struck by lightning, had a near-death experience. We've had her on the podcast. She received information within a few minutes that she was out that fills volumes of

pages, things about quantum time, like the nature of our existence. Like the amount of information is like a download. So when you are talking about this, I might think, well, gosh, Lee, you just didn't realize that this problem you had, it was you. And you finally heard yourself speaking rationally to yourself. How can we know, meaning how could you know,

that this information was not literally generated by yourself, but was coming from elsewhere, meaning you can believe it, which you do, but I want to know what it feels like to know that for you. I'm going to answer you now, age 49, which is, I know there is no elsewhere there. So now I just know there is no elsewhere. There are different levels of focus. We can focus in different levels of dimension, different levels of reality. all about where our focus goes. I also do not believe that what happened to me is, I mean,

I guess it seems unusual, but... Just a little bit. I know. I know. But what I teach people is we all have access to spirit and we all have access to our higher self or our soul and a wisdom voice or a wisdom point that might be the same one we draw from for friends in our life. But for ourselves, we just never access it. We don't get out of the way. I've always said, if I died and they said, By the way, the guides was a cover story for God. I'm like, cool. I really don't, I actually don't care about the position of where the information is coming from. But what was undeniable to me was it changed my life.

It changed my perspective. It didn't make everything perfect immediately because like all of us, I'm a human learning my lessons. But it forever changed what I believed about this reality. And it started to include this other dimension. So what were you wrong about in the relationship that was not the other person's fault? Oh, I thought it was something to do. I'm trying to go back to the story now, but I think it was something to do with, I just thought he was behaving badly and wrong.

And then I was shown, no, you haven't communicated clearly. You have triggered him. Something I didn't even know, like something about his past that I had triggered, that when I actually spoke to him about it, he was like, how did you know that? So this was for me, if you're talking about evidence, there were things that they would tell me in those first few months about people that I knew or things, aspects of the world, aspects of the planet, that I couldn't prove. But then when I would watch them play out with the people, I'd be like, oh, wow, they were absolutely right. They would be, no, don't talk to your sister, but she is very in grief right now. And in a couple of weeks, you're going to find out why.

but it's not appropriate for you to talk to her. It'll be too much for her. Two weeks later, she would, and I'd be like, oh, so there was this strange reality with time that I started to find myself on a travel later that I sometimes had access to future information. But again, it was very much if I asked. And the one thing that did go through my head very quickly

was, uh-oh, is this schizophrenia? I mean, yes. Which 26 years ago was the name we would have known for this phenomena. Meaning hearing voice. I mean, there's other features of schizophrenia. But when you talk about what would be deemed auditory hallucinations, that's the first thing you would think. That's schizophrenia.

And my reaction to that question to myself was, well, I got a really useful one. So I'm just going to keep quiet because this one is not blowing up the party. I was like, I'll just keep quiet. But I, you know, I stayed open to that. And I still, I mean, still to this day, I can't, you know, and it's funny when people go, how can you prove it? I'm like, I'm not here to prove it. I'm here living.

There are people that what I have done through me have been helped by it. And I think probably my biggest job in the work I do is to be an ambassador for this, for other people's experiences. I've had so many people come up to me privately because of my public channeling. And they're like CEOs of huge businesses and they come up at the party and they go, I wouldn't tell anyone else this, but I've been running my business through channeling for the last five years. So people confess and confide their experiences to me. It's actually shocking how many executives lean into extra sensory abilities

and consulting with people who have information outside of direct metrics. True. Now, often they want to validate that with actual metrics, but there are so many people that you will start to meet in extremely high-performing businesses that are in multiple, billion dollar companies and you're like, you're into what? You're open to this? And like, there's a split, obviously. There are some people who like won't go near that at all. But the number of people in that world who are open to it is actually quite shocking. If you think about what you just

described just in that relationship, that you all of a sudden have a different perspective of a problem, that is divine intervention, right? Like we, I forget, what episode we were talking about this, but I was writing on Substack, and I sort of asked the pose of the question, like, do people believe in divine intervention? Oh, is that about the lightning strike? Not that long ago, we were recording something,

and Miam asked a question about God. It was the first time I asked about God in this podcast. And as she asked the question, Lightning struck the building. The building that the guest was in remotely and knocked the internet down. Perfect. Now, it was a coincidental.

I think someone did the math, And the odds of that happening at that exact moment were like astronomical. Well, but I said what's interesting is what's the meaning you make of it, right? God's either approving or disapproving, depending on which side of the conversation you want to be on. And so I pose the question online. Do people believe in divine intervention? And, you know, a lot of what is described as awakening or described as divine intervention is seeing our problems from a different perspective. However, that may be.

And so anyone who is approaching a problem, how do we pull back, have more objectivity, more insight, whether that be information about the future, whether that be getting out of our own way. And so I think both of those definitions are true regardless of where the information came from. I want to get back to the extreme specificity. And I don't know why this makes me laugh so much, the Zachary of it. I get it. Did you know anyone named Zachary? No, I didn't. You didn't know any Zachary. Zachary Levi. He's an actor. Yeah, but he wasn't an actor. He wasn't around. younger than. You and I are the same age. This is, this is 1999.

Yeah. 26 years ago. This is 1999. So, like, biblical Zachary? Like, Zachariah, no? Well, funnily enough, Zachariah, that's interesting, so that's biblical. Okay. So there were two others that I learned the names of during the process, and it was Zafariah and Zyodorah. Uh-huh.

And I thought, no, I thought, no, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, I'd heard of Pia Zadora, and I knew she was like a huge American start. And I was like, oh, Zadora. So, yeah, that's what I was given. Does anyone want to know who Zachariah was? Who was Zachariah, with a pH? But like Zachary is well. Oh, yeah, right.

So Zachariah. Yes. Okay, yes, please. I mean, it's the closest biblically. The father of John the Baptist. And he was one of, he was a priest. He was a high priest. Okay.

And that means he was a. Levy, which is why Zachary Levi was probably named Zachary. Because their last name was Levi, and Zechariah, biblically, was of the tribe of Aaron, which was the Levi tribe. He was told, kind of an Abraham-Sara story, Zachary was told that he would father a child very late in life. The angel Gabriel came to him, Gavriel. He didn't believe the angel and was struck mute.

Wow. And only when the child was born, John the Baptist, did he speak again? Wow. Very interesting. That's just the first thing I thought of in terms of like the cultural vernacular of why Zachary might, you know, exist in the ether. Very cool. Anyway, just a very interesting.

And the number 88 also has very interesting. It does. You know, I don't really talk a lot about like Bible code or numerology. And I know that certain people do. and I've been told what my manifesting number is and all these things. But in Hebrew, which is, you know, for me, the language of creation, right? In Hebrew, every letter is a number. Right.

Which means that every word also has a numerical significance. Right. So, for example, my name Maim means water, and the number that the Hebrew letters line up for is 40. So I think of 40 is kind of my number, and there's 40 years in the desert, and there's 40 days on, you know, that Moses was on the mountain. Anyway, everybody's name and every word has a number. So 88 is an interesting one. Eight is, you know, as Matasiyahu says, it's the number of infinity because it's one more than you know how to be is how Matasiyahu says it.

Meaning the week is seven days. Eight is one more. It's what you can't imagine. So the double emphasis, right, for 88, it's like so beyond beyond. Yeah. Anyway, those are just the things that I kind of, um, that I kind of, um, I don't know, that's how my brain works, when I think about your experience. The piano is my favorite instrument and 88 keys.

And I didn't know that until years later. So I was like, that's interesting. Oh, so interesting. Just before we continue, do you believe everyone has access to guides? I do. So everyone on Earth has like a handful of guides? Let me put it this way. I believe everyone is in relationship with other dimensions, whether or not they choose to make it conscious.

One thing I do know, and I think this is at the root of so many, many of our issues. We are all supposed to be here differently. We're all supposed to make up a jigsaw together. We're all supposed to have slightly different slants, slightly different talents, slightly different abilities, slightly different flaws. That's kind of how we're composed. So I don't think it's for everybody to have a spiritual path, but I always say I would rather be trapped in an elevator with someone who is kind and open-hearted than someone who is spiritually learned and hasn't developed kindness and an open-heart. Because to me, the kind and open-hearted person is living with spirit. There are many people I've met who are spiritually learned, who are all

about the data and sometimes can behave very abusively under the guise of spirituality. So for me, it's not so much about what you believe, it's about how you behave. And I think that spirituality has, I know for me and many others, helped many of us become more aligned with who were truly here to be and shed some of the human stuff that we're carrying. A lot of the people that you're talking about who are not acting overly kind, they have a great grasp of the language.

Yes, or they have a hunger for power and they see that as being a source of getting it. I think there are many... I've met many over the years. I've been in very close quarters with one of them. And so they're all... a little different. But either way, it's sad for everybody. It's sad for the guru and it's sad for the followers if it's not coming from a place of benevolence or love or goodwill.

And when you described the physical difference when you got out of your own way or you had that change in perspective where you said you felt calmer, more relaxed, you had previously been stewing about the relationship, about what was going wrong, had some resentment potential, towards the person you were with, all of a sudden, that level of somatic calming as a result of that shift is also a hallmark sign of a higher vibrational consciousness, for lack of a better word. For me, it was a double whammy. So someone could have told me something that my mind could have understood and that it's moderately helpful. I'm a sensory person. So for me, it's more about experience. It's not that I don't like data or facts or certain things I do in certain

areas of life. But actually, that was the tell. I think if I hadn't been in such self-judgment at the time, the blinding light of it wouldn't have been so contrasted. That, that, you know, I didn't, like you said, the day that my life changed. I didn't know my life changed that day. I didn't know I would end up doing this for work five years later. But my life did change that day. reconnected it kind of plugged back in. If you've never heard voices and then all of a sudden you'd do. I guess so. I guess so.

But you have to remember I was seven years into a reconnection to, oh, the world is not just what all these humans are telling us. And actually, there were lots of humans who were talking about spirit, whether it was cultures who hadn't lost that connection, or whether it was individuals I met along the way, healers, the people leading workshops I went to, there was a, if you like, a faith or a connection to spirit that I also experienced as true and beneficial. Well, and I think also, again, I'm looking for the similarities here. When people talk about like precognitive dreams, let's say, or when people come back from

near-death experiences or some kind of trauma with extrasensory abilities, right? things that we cannot explain, right? In many cases, what they describe is that it's indescribable in the language of this world. So true. So when you talk about, you know, receiving this kind of like, and I, you know, I don't know what example will resonate with people most, but let's say you think you're in love and you have all these relationships. And then one day you meet a person for whom that connection is different. And you realize that all the other times when you thought you were in love, that was a different set of emotions that are valuable and interesting, but this is not that. If you've ever meditated and you're like, oh, it's quiet. And the thoughts, they're like

washing over me like pebbles in a river, right? But then you drop into a place that's like, where am I? When is it? And did I eat mushrooms by accident? Then you know that's a different place and this. So what's interesting to me is there may be other times in your life or any of our lives where we're like, oh, I'm hearing these voices in my head and I'm like talking to myself and I'm having a combo with myself. But what you're describing has a different physiological component in that you're experiencing something physical and different. And when we had Teresa Caputo on, Suzanne Geisman, there's like a look in their eyes when people are channeling that's like, oh, that's not this world. There's something else. I don't know what it is. And I

can't speak for you. But that's what's interesting to me is that way you're describing is it's something altered, right? Yes. Yes. It doesn't feel what we know to be here in the same way. But the more it becomes part of your life, you start going, oh, there are a few worlds on earth. And most of the time, most of us are living in the one that we're in this body, we're in this identity, we're having the life we're supposed to have. But many people, when they open their spiritual connection, it suddenly changes everything. Now, there's a difference between when you get information for yourself and when you get information for other people. Yes. I want to tackle that, but right before we do, define channel. Yes. And I want to know also more specifically,

like, we just got to Zachary. Yeah, let's unpack the co-hold of... I got a lot to say just about that, but I want to hear about the others and then how we get to the other entities. I mean, is there an HR department for all the people that are rolling with you. It's funny. You should mention it. Well, Zachary Levi will play him in the movie. It's voice only, but that's a nice job, right? What is channeling? So a couple of things. I say that you're channeling when you are in your, when you're just flowing with something you're really good at. So some people who cook and they don't follow a recipe book and they get out of their head and they feel really alive, to me, there's a level of connection and flow. So on a broad level, we can be channeling musicians channel all the time.

You know, songs come from the ethers and all of that kind of realm is a whole other realm. Flo. There was an interview I saw recently with Bob Dylan at the height of, or actually, it was near the end of his career, and I forget who the interview was. He still has a career. What are you saying? It was, I actually don't know where Bob Dylan is these days. So I'm sorry, Bob, I I apologize. He's his own profit. But there was. We were talking to him about the early days of his career. And he was like, I don't know where those songs came from. They just appeared to me.

They just arrived. And he was actually acknowledging that, like, at this stage of his career that he was at during that interview, he couldn't do that anymore. And that was okay for him. But there was clearly some opening that he had an access to something there that, like, was unlike anything else that he had experienced. True. And my own guide said to me years later that they,

got to me first through songwriting, which happened to me at 21, two years earlier. And when that happened, it was magic. I loved music my whole life. And all of a sudden, I'm hearing melodies tied to lyrics and I would literally hear it. And I knew enough chords on the guitar at that point to kind of get the song down. And still to this day, when I create music, the music is often, it just comes through or the lyrics, some songs are just there fully formed within 10 minutes. And you're like, how? I think this is a really interesting, like, overlap that has some tension to it in the definition. Because some musicians may say, oh, absolutely. I create the songs and my brain is working something out, and there isn't a magical open consciousness quality to it. Rick Rubin has a little bit of a

different philosophy where he describes artists as having antennae and that they're sensing and sort of translating whatever type of consciousness is around. So, like, there's, like, this overlap. And what's interesting is that a lot of people who describe having access to spiritual experience or extrasensory experience, spirit guides, ability to visually imagine, describe a level of access in their childhood to creativity that sort of seems to form the fundamental building blocks of their ability to later participate in what is considered extrasensory. Ah, that's injunctuary. So creativity was my safe space. That was where I was prolific.

And that was where I, yeah, I could create. I still to this day, if people ask what, you know, people always want your identity and people want to know what you do for work. And then they assume that means that's who you are. And I, for me, I'm a creator. Like, I'm a creator and a builder. I've been that since I was little. It just so happened. that right now my path is to create and build in the realm of spirituality, self-growth, transformation of music. Going back to the overlap, both positive and, you know, concerning for those people who are trying to discredit this idea.

People might say he's just creative. He's making it up. Sure. That's the rub, right? It's like, on one hand, people who are in that flow state can have awareness and words that come to them that they've never thought about before and things come together in a way that seems magical or extra-abiliated or divinely intervened. And on the same regard, people can say, well, we're just kind of making it up and being

super-creative and these super-creative people have the ability to see from multiple different perspectives and therefore it's all within them. I personally like the story and I have a similar experience. And at a certain point, it became like, how much am I making up? Like, where's the objective reality in this? Like, is it a really interesting story? Is it true? And you can kind of gauge by the felt sense of the people that you're sharing the information with.

But there is a level of creative imagination in order to make sense of realms that can't be, quote, unquote, seen with our normal eyes. Yeah. And I think this is a really important point. One of the shadow sides of channeling that I quite quickly saw, because I was taken into the channeling world, which I didn't even know existed, I was from self-growth. That was my passion. My passion was go to a workshop to kind of uncover your crap so that you can come out happier and a bit lighter

and do what you're here to do. That was my jam. And I thought that was fantastic. I quite quickly got taken into the channeling world through a partner I had who was also an author and a channeler, which was a very big and important relationship for me. And he was a speaker for a group. and I was invited to be a speaker there

and then I was invited to be a speaker at other places and what I witnessed in the channeling world that was a shadow then and may still be for some people now it may hopefully be less now was a lot of worship energy and this idea that oh if the channeled entity said it then it must be superior to everyone else and I was always the opposite

I was like no no no the channeled entity is like any good friend giving you advice and you might take on their advice, and because of their advice, you might not use their advice, but because it gives you a chance to look at it. I was so against the idea that you're here as some puppet, that you're supposed to follow spirits' instructions.

I don't ascribe to that. That to me is actually an unspiritual philosophy, because to me, our spirituality is our humanity and what we're doing here. You, I talk to you about beaches, you put an imprint out into the world, world energetically with your performance and everyone involved in that movie. You know, that movie, I think, was so huge because it was an emotional release valve. We didn't see many women

friendship stories. It was grief, which was taboo still at the time. And I think the reason it hit a nerve was it was a beautifully done film, but it had a lot of powerful feminine energy that we were missing. And back then, movies were key. I'm not saying they can't still be now, but I was recently saying to a 25-year-old friend who was like, I'm not really into movies. I'm more into spirituality. And I said, movies and music were my gateway before I found spirituality. And I still can enjoy them. But I said, I explained to her, I said, they served a purpose 30 years ago that is now being served by other things as well. So they still have their place. But 30 years ago, there were very few places that we as humans were allowed to go and feel and witness ourselves.

And especially because therapy was taboo. But you could go and watch a movie. and go, oh, wow, I identify with that character. And so, you know, for me, the movies were like church in a way because of the experience I would have. But to your point, I think the thing about channeling that people forget is there is a level of making it up, meaning I am not donked on the head involuntarily and pushed onto a stage to channel for people. I'm agreeing to the whole experience.

I'm collaborating. And they have even said this, and I agree with them, to the best of my ability. as a human who has a capacity for words, which they've said they use my capacity for language, and they use my capacity for empathy. It's still limited. It's still a very humanized version of what it would be there. They've talked about music in their realm,

and they've said, you wouldn't like it. It would sound discordant. It would sound atonal. It would sound a rhythmic. You need melody because it lines up with the heart frequency, which is your gateway on earth. your heart is your gateway on earth, which is why I think we as humans, no matter how oppressed or suppressed, we have been or are, everyone loves this. And we've been taught to kind of transpose it onto romantic relationships or the love you have for a child. We're kind of allowed to do those. But actually, I think hopefully as a society, we through all the conversations that we're having now are recognizing, no, friendship love is huge. Beaches again. Friendship love, tribal love, diseases. have said we would be less interested in romantic relationship if we lived more tribally and

communally. They aren't saying we wouldn't still have them, but part of this, I've got to find my soulmate, is usually stemming from, there are some areas of disconnection in your life that you're missing. It doesn't mean a beautiful soulmate can't come along and make it all so much richer and to have a companion and someone you can mirror with. But let's be honest, even when you're in a great relationship, you're a really happy person when you have a lot of cylinders firing in your life with a lot of different people. We still haven't defined channeling. The definition of channeling in the way I do, it would be you are giving voice to or allowing

an entity, an energy, or a guide through you to give information and to speak. Entity. Or to write. Yeah, that's entity. Energy or guide? Some people think of energy. entity as a negative terminology. Oh, I know.

So how do you know what you're connecting to if there's this vast array of entities, angels, some people think demons, some people think dark energies, how do you know what is coming through or what you're inviting through? I can't give a stock answer to that because that's not the thing I've studied and become an expert in. But what I can tell you from my own experience is I didn't do any readings for any. I basically did free readings for people for a few years before a friend of mine said, you should be doing this.

But I tested. I tested myself, my life, the people I knew. By the time I was channeling, I felt very comfortable. I'm like, no, no, no, these guys are definitely benevolent. What I say to people now when they start channeling is, is the information helpful? Is it loving? Is it supportive? I'm not saying they're going to stroke your ego.

And I'm not saying they're going to tell you're right about everything. But there are people who will sometimes go, oh, I think I picked up on something not good. And the answer there is, okay, you need to disconnect from that. You can say affirmations. I ask for the highest love and light to come through. But what I also witnessed, because I work with some of these clients, boundary issues in their life with toxic human relationships

were often a factor. So they were going to spirit to try and find a good relationship. But because on the Earth plane, they were playing out with their energy field abusive patterns, lo and behold, whether they were accessing something or not, or whether it was their own mind and that was as high as they could go, you know, somewhat bossy or demanding guides could happen. And a friend in the field recently was sent to me by another friend in the field. Do you mean the literal field? No.

No. She's in the self-growth field. Okay. She's, you know, she's quite out there. She's a real, a tangible person. Yes. And she's a lovely person. and I was told that she was having channeling experiences by this friend and she needed someone to talk to about it

because that's not her usual work. And we talked and I tuned in on what was going on with her and obviously you always do it to the best of your ability but there's this group and I said to her there's this really pushy one in the middle and I don't like it and I said and it's not necessary and she knew exactly what I was talking about. She knew exactly who I was talking about. She went yeah I feel a bit but she was also, you know,

understandably should I be? channeling. And I was like, my rule is no. If there is a pushy thing trying to use you or get through you, no, absolutely not. It can calm down. And in the session, you know, we actually had some conversation where it's like, no, you need to calm down. This is not your chance to come through a body. This is a collaborative relationship. Oh, so many questions coming up now. So I want to get more specific. Sure. So now we have like this nice landscape.

Okay. So you hear this voice. Sure. And was it a different voice that identified these other two Z? They all had Z names. That's why you call them the Zs. That happened when I was being interviewed. What do you mean, Lee?

So my partner who I was with at the time would often speak to me while I was channeling and he would ask all kinds of questions. And that's how you met the other entities. And so the information that comes to you is that there are some entities that are... They're a large group. I've been told they are 88 beings, but that they can also extend wider into source, meaning source energy. So they said, you often think of yourselves as fixed. We are not fixed as humans. You know, we around this table are a composite of every experience we've had every person that's influenced us,

but we think of ourselves as these singular identities with singular names. And they said, we can also access other beings, other dimensions to bring the information through. So they're not, it's very tempting to try and think of it as a fixed group or a fixed, things aren't very fixed when you get off earth.

And that's the kind of rabbit hole I've learned from. Like the more questions you ask, the more mirrors open, and the more you can just keep going, which is why I think at a certain point you have to decide, is my goal here to just keep opening more mirrors, or have I opened enough mirrors

that I now want to actualize what I've experienced and bring it to earth and see if it's useful to me and to other people? Yes, those are further down the road questions. I'm still stuck on your on the tube. Yes. And you're hearing this. Yes.

So what is it you want to know specifically about that moment? I want to know what did you do after? Oh, I went home from work and I wrote. Because I wanted to record it. You can't remember it when you do it in your head. And this is why I always encourage people write your channeling down. And so we go, I don't want to write it down.

I just want to. And I'm like, cool, that's its own experience. That's a visionary experience. But the reason you write it down is twofold. Number one, you write it down so that you have a record of it. And in my case, I wanted to study it over time and see how valid certain things were or weren't. But also, it does something to you to read this information back. And this goes back to something we were talking about a minute ago with love and the heart.

I once had a very successful client. She was an Australian businesswoman, had all the success and material anybody could ever want. But she had so many broken relationships in her life because she didn't hang out in intimacy very long. And she could get quite aggressive with people around her. So she came to me because she'd heard of me, and she was working with me on both relationships and a desire to connect more spiritually. I set her the task of channeling for herself.

She was really annoyed at me and said, isn't that what I'm paying you for? And I said, yes, and I will be channeling for you in each session. But trust me, I just need you to go through this process for a few weeks. She did it. She came back and she said, well, I did it, but it didn't work. And I went, oh, okay, so you've got no words. And she went, no, I got words, but they were ridiculous.

And I went, okay, do you mind reading them to me? And so she, let's say her name was Jill. She went, okay. She went, Jill, you are a loving soul. Well, that's not true, is it? Because I'm not a loving soul. And I just said, Jill, just carry on. So she read all this stuff out.

And these were very loving words. She had never spoken to herself in that way. She had very aggressive parents when she was growing up, which is where a lot of the trauma came from. And so after a while of her disbelieving all this, we were going back and forth on the sentences that she disagreed with. And I just said, have you ever written words to yourself in that way ever or spoken to yourself in that way? And it was the first time she stopped fighting me and was silent for about 10, 15 seconds.

And I shared something with her that the Zs had said to a client just before, when you access channeling, you calibrate to a frequency of love that you might not be used to. I think of me with my self-judgment and myself attack. And all of a sudden, there's this new support team that I didn't have access to. it changes you. It's not like, oh good, I have a voice and that's helpful. It actually starts to change you. It starts to change the way you perceive yourself. It starts to change the way you perceive things. So this frequency of love, I was going home and privately spending an hour, an hour and a half at night writing all these questions. But I will say this. When you're growing up gay and you're born in the 70s, and certainly if you're born earlier, this is even more true. You're very good at compartmentalizing. You have to be. You have to have a life that you're not allowed to talk about inside you. And you have to.

So in a weird way, I almost look back now and think, oh, that primed me. So weirdly, I don't remember being phased. I remember being like, this is fascinating. Like, it was this thing I couldn't wait to go home after my job to. And it's weird now because it feels like such a distant memory. But at the time, it was something I immersed myself in. And it changed me. which was harder coming out as gay or as a channeler

coming out as gay was pretty brutal with my with my parents it was great with my friends and I came out at 16 and I had a very difficult experience telling my mom so then everything went into I'm very close to my mom and we were very close then but for about five years that fractured that relationship we repaired it later coming out as a channeler is way worse because it gets in the way of your connection with people. Like, even the fact that we're, I know you have the two books which are based on channeling,

but in my work, someone recently called me a soul therapist, which I liked the term because often I'm struggling to explain to people what it is I do. But the truth is, I can sit here at this table and I can say, I'm an energy intuitive, I'm a musician, I'm a self-growth facilitator or spiritual teacher, and I'm a channeler, and everyone goes to channeler. because it's the weirdest thing in the room. So the problem with being a channeler is if anyone has skepticism about it or they're afraid of it or they're judgmental of it or they are suspicious of you because of it, all the rest is off.

I can be having a great conversation with someone and all of a sudden it can change because of their belief system around that. And I'm like, that's interesting. We were actually having a really nice time. It's like when I tell people I'm an actor. It's like, ooh. I do have a problem with the term because what is the difference between that and just receiving information? I agree. You said you're a musician.

Yeah, musician, energy intuitive. Spiritual teacher is not a term I like, but self-growth teacher facilitator. Great. And then Chandler. So let's just focus on energy intuitive for a second. Because we've talked about on this podcast before that I think the word psychic has been co-opted, misused. Totally. There's a ton of misinformation and people.

It doesn't work for a lot of reasons, right? So people are looking for alternatives to describe what it means to sit down with someone and have either intuition or empathy. It could be that you sit down and you can feel them. Yeah. And also, I think this is a good place for me to say, I, it's not that I have a problem with energy. No. And it's not that I have a problem with. I understand.

Right. So, yeah, like, it's not that I have a problem with intuition. And I think it's important. Like, we didn't ask you here for me to, like, disprove your experience. But for me, it's like, I don't know if there's a difference between, look, some people are better at reading people than others. something we're all comfortable saying, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. But that's what I'm talking about.

You can sit down and sort of feel someone and you can feel someone on multiple planes of existence. There you lost me again. But I'm going to tie it in. What do you mean? Okay. So what? Sorry. You feel them on multiple.

So what does it mean? So when we were talking to Teresa Caputo, she says she uses herself and she gets signals herself about what about information. So she's like, when someone has like a death in a certain way, I taste. and she described the taste, right? So, for example, when you sit down with someone and you are highly empathic or you have, you know, you're an energy intuitive

or whatever that might be, it could be like, oh, what's going on for you? I can clearly feel it's grief. Oh, it's not a mystery. Oh, it actually feels more like romantic grief than it does a parent too fast. You can feel the difference? If I walk into a room,

because I was raised in a crazy house, If I walk into a room, I can pretty much clock where people are at. Yes. And I think a lot of women may report this or people on the feminine spectrum. Definitely. That like, you know, my ex-boyfriend used to say, like, why do you know I'm upset? When I don't know I'm upset. I'm like, because I know.

So, and I think that's true. Like, Valerie can tell when Jonathan and I haven't spoken for 12 hours before we sit in our chairs. So this is a good point. This is a good point. This helps me understand where we need to go. Okay. So is that, is Valerie, forgive me, Valerie. Is Valerie an energy intuitive?

No, like you can feel it in the air when two people are being icy. Right. So let me explain how we use the label Energy Intuitive for me. Great. I mean, there are several things I do, but let me take it back to when I did one-on-one sessions for 15 years. And my job, you may have called me. I couldn't see you. I would know whatever name you had given me. Sure.

And I would speak to you. I would say to you at the beginning, do you have any specific questions you want to ask? me up front. If not, we're going to get to them at about 25 or 30 minutes, and you can ask me anything you want, and I'm just going to start talking and telling you everything I'm getting. Is that what we're going to do for the rest of this episode? We can if you want. I want to. Are you sure? Well, I'm hard to read because I exist on the internet. Everybody thinks they know me. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. So you'd have to pull something out that like, that I would know. Anyway, so, but go ahead. And my job wasn't performing a party trick to kind of prove something.

It was the thing about my job is I can't verify anything. Right. And actually, in a way, that was what trained me to do it for groups. And when I stand on camera and do what I call my energy update, which happens at the beginning of every month. And I say at the beginning, I'm Lee, I'm an intuitive, and I take the pulse on what might be showing up for you psychologically, emotionally, and energetically. And then I go through eight themes that I receive from the same place I receive information about people. and then I riff on them and explain to people how they might navigate what's coming up. Of course, not everyone is going to find themselves in the eight themes.

And of course, there are going to be a load of people who don't like me, don't like that kind of thing, of course. But for those who do, as an energy intuitive, in a way, what I'm doing is inviting them to look at their own energy, their thoughts, their emotions, and help them reorganize how they're feeling. That's what I hear the most. When people talk to me about my energy updates, which are probably the main thing. thing I'm known for at the moment. That's probably the biggest thing. People go, I feel seen. It helped me deal with something I didn't know was really going on, but you articulated it for me. Me and my mom always speak about the energy updates every month, so it gets us going and having a conversation. So it's not, I'm not interested in how good I am or not. I'm interested in how

useful I am. My goal is to be useful to people for whom this is of use. So I'm thinking of like, I'm trying to find examples like when if I'm tuning into my own energy right so like I this is not a statement on Tony Robbins but there's a meditation that he does that I really like great and you know we start from this place of like getting into our body like you know he teaches us to like drop down get out of our head and into our body and I'm like okay I'm learning to do that and then he asks us to conjure positive memories yeah and to feel them in our body, right? Joe Dispenza also talks about this, right?

Then he asked me to imagine things that haven't even happened that are also good. Like, oh, I can do that. And you feel it in your body. And the idea is that you feel some sort of like energetic elevation. That's the best way I can describe it. If you're in a poopy mood before

and you're in a better mood after, you've increased a certain amount of serotonin, right? Yes. You've increased your physiological milieu to facilitate a different energy state. So that if I'm in a shitty mood when I wake up, and after I do this meditation, I can say like, I can make my smoothie, I can wake my kid,

I can be loving, I can be helpful. That is a shift that I just made in some sort of energy field. Correct? Did I do it? Yes, you did. You shifted your energy from one state to another. Right. Yeah.

And you could see that. If you roll over in bed. I just put us in bed together. If someone were to roll over in bed, which sometimes people say like, oh, my partner was in a really bad mood this morning, right? Yeah. You can know that, you can feel it, right? Yeah. And then that shifts and it would be noticeable.

Yes. And there's a difference between being able to recognize someone is down or knowing perhaps one of the reasons why. Oh. That's the difference. Empaths can feel energy. They have different levels of skill. as to how much they can interpret what's going on for the person. That's where the more psychic channel aside comes in.

So I've met many empaths who are like, oh my God, I'm just feeling all the emotion in the room. My advice to them is always, then you need to learn how not to. Because otherwise you're hostage, because usually empaths are not hostage to joy. No, we're not. They're hostage to pain and suffering. 100%.

And I went through that myself. So what I had to learn to do was train myself as to where and when I focused. I mean, it took me years and years and years. And there'll still be moments in my personal life where I'll come up against it. But, you know, having recently met some empaths who are very much in that journey of, oh, my God, I'm just a sponge. Well, I think I'm just responsible for the whole world suffering anyway. So then I have to feel it all.

And on some weird level, on some weird level, no, you're not responsible. I'm not going to break it to you. No, no, no, no, no. But we do need a beaches too. I'm just saying. No. No, on some level, what the Zs say we're here for is to go on our own path of healing and to the best of our ability help elevate the frequency of the planet.

The problem is people think they have to do it all by themselves. So the isolated empath or spiritual person goes, I'm really supposed to help save everyone. And we get into bad discernment over what that really means. Our job is to do the best we can. to heal our own stuff because we've all imbibed what they call the human energy template. So when we got to this planet, depending on where we were born, when we were born and what we were born into, we're going to inherit a certain emotional temperature.

If you're born to very frosty parents and they are cold and they're not emotional, they're incredibly cerebral and you come in as this very emotional kid, oh, that's going to be an interesting recipe. Are the parents conscious enough to go, oh, our child is different. We won't try and make them like us. We'll try and support them with what they need. Or, as is common for most of us growing up in prior generations, the parent thinks the child is wrong. Right. And tries to make the, so then the parent, the kid then has to unpack all that stuff. We've all imbibed and inherited certain energies. And the one thing they say a lot, which I love as someone who was so good at self-attack, and blaming myself for everything years ago,

they always say, it's not yours. It's not yours. You're carrying something that's in the air, and your job as a human is to try and alleviate it from yourself, and then you become the formula of someone who moved through that. It's why the friends who are now in horrible grief, but you went through horrible grief 10, 15 years ago, and it almost killed you, but you got through it.

They're talking to you about their grief without even knowing why. don't know what you went through, but there's something about your energy field that is a place their grief can start to elevate. So this is how energy fields work and the collective energy field of the world, as we know, it's not great down here. Like one of the things I had to come to terms with which helped me as an empath is like, oh, there is brutality and suffering and darkness on this planet. I didn't want to fully acknowledge that, even though I'd had some of my own experiences around

that and I also had been adjacent to people who'd gone through some horrific things. But once I realized that, it allowed me to stop trying to fight it with the light and instead go, okay, we're on a planet of duality. There's light, there's dark, there's up, there's down. I need to do my best to stay as balanced and as centers as I can and move through it, and I'll keep learning as I go. So in a way, what you just said, I think many of us have worn that mantle of I've got to save everyone's suffering. I think it's actually a spiritual truth, but we aren't supposed to overly personalize it

or think we should do it all ourselves. There are a lot of us here on the planet. There are more people want good than don't. I mean, it's a very small group that managed to, you know, bring a lot of darkness to the planet. Disease have said that. And then because of social media,

it gets amplified, right? And so people start thinking that is... When we're at a party of 50 people and it's 50 lovely people and one person has a massive tantrum in the corner, Who do we go home remembering? I was at an event recently where there was a big drama. And five of the people who were there were saying to me,

wow, that was a real drama. And I said, let's not let that be the first thing we parrot about our friend's event. Because our friend had a lovely event that something went wrong in and it wasn't that friend's fault. Let's not tell that story. But I knew why the people were doing it because I would have done the same years ago. Drama gets our root chakra and drama and inflammatory. and, you know, it's so magnetizing to us or it has been.

And the trick is, can we magnetize and create something else on the planet? You guys are doing it with this podcast, for example. Tell us about it. Well, you are creating discussion for people to examine what they believe, what they experience, what they understand. The people who watch this will either align with both of you or one of you, or they'll enjoy when you two are disagreeing, even though you. you don't disagree because you love each other.

So that makes this energy field very safe. But the fact that you will sometimes have very differing opinions, even though it might look like there's some kind of level of, not conflict, but disagreement. What you're actually doing is you're stretching the parameters of what's possible. And we all know that at the moment on the planet, if there's one thing we need to be able to do, it's to have healthy, loving disagreements

rather than people get triggered by something they disagree with and they just want to kill the other person. I mean, that's a very good explanation of what we call our healthy tension. Often we describe different sides of a similar experience. We're going to hit pause here. There is a part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. Make sure you are subscribed anywhere you're listening or watching because in part two, we also cover...

Some of the practical aspects of what it's like. like when he channels, how he channels for others, can guides talk to other people's guides. And we're also going to ask him some practical things, his take on some of the current politics going on in the world. Do his guides have an opinion about things like that? And we're also going to talk about what he's like in relationships. What's it like to operate in the world with this channeling ability? He also has a really powerful message for anyone who may be struggling, looking for advice, or on a spiritual quest, you definitely don't want to miss part two.

And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time. It's My and Bealix Breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience Ph.D. or two. One fiction. And now she's going to break down. I want to break it down.