Megalithic Marvels - Ancient Andean Anomaly Roundtable

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

In this episode I am joined by John, Max and Stephen - three explorers who joined us on our Peru and Bolivia tour just a couple of weeks ago. In this round-table discussion, we share about various highlights, legends and ancient anomalies that we saw and touched on our Andean expedition. There is so much more to the ancient Andean region that we have been led to believe... enjoy 4k video of these incredible sites that we reference.

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So guys, welcome. I've got John with me. I've got Max and Stephen. Three of the coolest dudes on the planet. I met John a couple years ago in Egypt on the Stargate Voyager Egypt tour. And this guy was just awesome. This cool surfing dude from Hawaii. So it was so awesome to have John back with me in Peru and Bolivia.

And then we got to meet Max, this French guy who lives in Germany. And Max, you're a mad Uno player. And then we have Stephen the handyman from Oklahoma. So you guys, it was a blast being with you. And why don't each of you will start with John. Just kind of tell us why you wanted to go on this. this trip and how life's been since you got back to the States? Well, first off, it was a no-brainer with the time that I had with you guys in Egypt and to

continue forth. And I'm kind of on this journey to do the seven continents. So it lined up perfectly there. And yeah, Macho Pichu has always been at the top of the list. So check that box. I was incredible. And I'm over the altitude. So since I've been back, I just got back to Kauai.

yesterday so I spent some time on the mainland but just reeling it in connecting all the dots looking back and what what a trip looking at some of the photos and all these guys post and it's just I feel like I'm still on on the trip max what about you why did you want to come on this tour and how's life been since you got back to reality yes I mean well I started following you Derek I think it was three years ago something like this And I personally got into the whole mystery aspect and the megalith and the old stones back, like I would say, 15 years ago when I first read Graham Hancock's books. He got me into it, not going to lie. But then what really convinced me to do this tour personally was the Bolivia part, because I've been willing to go to Peru for a while.

And when I saw that you were actually also offering those two days in Bolivia, especially like the Tijuana, Puma, Pumaku, and all this area over. there was really a big interest to me. And so that's mostly what convinced me. And I mean, it's been a blast. I feel like I've been in Peru for one month now. And it was so packed and intense and amazing that I've actually been kind of sick the last three, four days after I came back, just decompressing. And that's what also I'm spending some time here in France.

So I'm feeling much better now. But yeah, the tour is incredible. And I feel like I haven't yet, you know, kind of like gotten all the insights. and I'm still rethinking about it and discovering new feelings and, yeah, memories that I just somehow missed when I was there. So, yeah, definitely a blast, and I'm glad I'm better now. Well, it was great having you. And Stephen, tell us about why you came on the tour and what life's been like since you got back. Yeah, so megalithic structures and these ancient sites that have, you know, some just these impossible objects scattered all over the world has been a.

mental hobby of mine for a few years and you know following you and and some of the other folks that are bringing light to a lot of these things and and helping to um to rewrite history in a in a small way is uh i just i was tired of of watching the videos and reading and and looking at it from afar i wanted to really just i wanted to put my hands on there get the energy of these spaces and and have a better understanding of possibly what our human history is really like and how far it spans. And, you know, your trip caught me right before my 40th birthday, so I wanted to kind of enter a new era of my life with this greater understanding of what's been going on on this planet. And I got back late on the 15th.

And honestly, it's been kind of a real. rough, rough, uh, reentry. I, I think I ate so well and so, uh,

beautifully pure with all the fruits and vegetables that, in Peru that when I came back and ate pizza and chips and dip and whatever and, you know, having a few beers at the airport, I think it just kind of like threw me off. Uh, so I've been dealing with, I've been dealing with some stuff.

So I'm finally today is kind of my, my day to get back. So I'm feeling better. today, folks. Yeah. I mean, wasn't there some great food in Peru, you guys? When you think about all the meals we enjoyed together, some of these were multi-course. I mean, the Peruvians, I don't know that there's even an organic section that you shop

out in the store because it's all organic. It's all like from the land and the earth and lush. Great food, yeah. There's so much pride behind the food, too. You know, you kind of scratch at the surface and know that that's where quinoa's from. that you learn that they have over 4,000 varieties of potatoes. You know, they have, I'll let other people talk about some of the other delicacies there, but, and just, yeah, fruit is everywhere, and the people seem to love eating well.

And the corn is, the corn is like megalithic, right? It not only looks like the walls, but it's megalithic in size. Did you guys, any of you guys eat the infamous, Kui? I haven't. I don't think I had that. Kui is the Peruvian word for a guinea pig. You know, I searched it out, but I didn't have a chance. It was on my list. Plenty of alpaca. Explain that. That's the tradition. That's how they got to eat. They don't go to Costco. Yeah, there's nothing like being handed a, the first time I went to Peru, I'll never forget, a Kui or a guinea pig on a stick. And I mean, you're looking at its face and its teeth and its hands and what a sight.

Yeah, the food was great, but it was so great being on this trip with you guys. I think I captured each one of you in several videos and photos that I've already posted during and since our tour. And Stephen, you and I, I collaborated with you on one where we were at the Cori Concha and you were just showing these intricate details on both sides of that one certain block. thing's got over a million views on Instagram. God was tucked in there at the end, talking about how even the surface do. But I just, I've never seen so many comments come in about people just thinking about how this was done, you know, whether or not it was, you know, molded concrete or it was aliens or whatever, but it got people thinking and really kind of using their brain to really figure out what's going on

because yeah we were all blown away every turn we took but i think it was showcasing a lot of people for the first time that there's some wild unexplained structural components out there that no one really knows so yeah that was a cool video because it had that stephen showing this block at Puma Punku, and then John, you were showing with your, you grabbed out your, what was it, your level on your phone app? Yeah. Tell us about that. Just, almost the exact same video we did a couple years ago in Egypt and just how it was 100%

perfectly level. And I loved all the comments, too. So I looked at that on Instagram and the variety of things that, you know, acid mud to aliens, it just went on and on. So I found that, you know, that people are thinking, you know, goofing around a little bit, but also putting some thought behind it. And, you know, there's a lot of speculation. And the beauty of it, no one exactly knows.

I mean, it's not concrete, per se, you know. Before we dive deeper into this, I want to just give a shout out to everybody who came on our tour. Because some of them are probably going to be watching this episode soon. So we had Jeff in Texas. He was awesome. Scott and Willie from Chicago. Man, those cats were cool. They were like tough guys, but man, they were helping the ladies across the street.

And, man. Oh, they were two little softies. Gentlemen. We had James from Korea, Christy and Austin from Michigan, an amazing mom and son. We had Mike and Mary from California. We had several mics on this tour.

Mike was like this macho fire chief captain from L.A. Dude, the stories he told from Skid Row were crazy. We had another Michael from Germany. We had Nilesh from Kenya. This was, by the way, the most international tour I've ever had. It was awesome. We had Caroline from Germany, Matthew from Germany. They were an amazing couple.

We had Mike from Virginia Beach, like the ex-special forces guy. I love some of the stories he was sharing. Sean from Australia, and shout out to Sean. He was on my Egypt tour last year. And so kind of like John, he came to Peru. We had Doug Doug and Barbaro from Sweden, Lisa and Lacey from Kansas City. And Fred, we missed you.

You should have come with them. We had Ellen from New Mexico, Larry from Australia, and David from Virginia. What an epic group, one of the best groups I've ever had. It was so cool, again, as I always say, we show up as strangers from all over the world. And on that last day when we're having our farewell dinner, people are crying and hugging, and it's like we're a family, right? So an amazing group of people. Okay, so now I'm going to unleash this on you guys.

Max, I want to hear from you first. You came to Peru, you know, you obviously had some preconceived ideas and theories and thoughts. What would you say was one of your biggest takeaways from this trip? I know that's kind of a big, wide question, so you can take it anywhere you want. What was something that you just came away with going, wow, I probably wouldn't have known this had I not been on this trip? Sure. Before I say anything, I wanted to say just to jump on. what you just said before.

And I think what really make this tour special is also the people, because yes, we're visiting sites, but the group dynamic was really, really amazing. We're still in contact now, and this also creates those moments in between the size, that's kind of like glues everything together. Now to answer your question, I mean, as you were saying, I've been doing a lot of research, just like Steven,

I wanted to just get to grips with reality and go on the tour. I mentioned before Bolivia was a big, really big, amazing moment for me because Puma Punku specifically was a site that always intrigued me, you know, like so high in the mountains, so isolated. You can only see some videos here and there with these age blogs that all measures one meter tall, like for some reason. And just being there on site and also, you know, being lucky that we could actually, you know, roam around kind of freely and and really, you know, measure stuff and just visit all of this was definitely amazing. And I would

like to give a special shout out to a specific site that also blew me away and that was Pesak, you know, on the road to Machupeachu. Why? Because I never heard of it, despite all of the research. The best way to maybe define this site is, in my opinion, like a smaller Machupeachu, kind of like, you know, on the mountain, on the hill, following a hike. And you have those three, you know, different generations, architectures that I'm sure we might cover very soon. And to me, this is the place that if Machu Picchu is too touristy, just go there because you will have no one very not credited at all. One of the most amazing heights to get there. And you see those amazing water canals that have been pretty much flowing for thousands of years.

And to me, that was really the big, big surprise because, as I said, completely under the radar, it doesn't get the love that it deserves. And definitely one of my most amazing sides. So awesome. Stephen, what about you? Biggest takeaway and or favorite site? Yeah. You know, Max kind of touched on what blew me away the most was that, I mean, the Peruvians know about all these sites and a lot of them are very sacred and they've, you know, they've been visited upon by Peruvians for, you know, many years, centuries.

and a lot of them touched on them when they're praying. They're very important to them. But it's Machu-Pichu that brings all the people. That's where they send up 2,500 people a day,

bus people up there. But like Max said, Pizak is like many Machu-Pichu, and there was really nobody up there except our group. and a lot of these places that we visited it was just kind of us you know

just maybe a handful of other people and I just it's kind of nice to it was nice for us because it just it was kind of like we were there just in the place with ourselves especially Pumapunku

I mean you know it just was us there was no guard there was no buddy there it was just we just almost like stumbled upon the place. And let me interject real quick. That was so shocking. Puma Punku, this ancient, what I believe is a prehistoric location with some of the

most insane ancient architecture that I believe proves the theory of lost ancient technology. There was not only no groups there and any other people, there were no guards there. Yeah. Meaning we could get as close as we wanted to these blocks. I just had to say that. That was so lucky. And we're a bunch of megalithic nerds. We were very respectful there.

You know, if they needed any group to jump the rope and get a closer look, it would have been us. And we were very respectful. Right. It was a sacred space to me. I felt like I was touching on something that not a lot of people were able to get close and personal with. But yeah, I felt like we saw stuff that aren't in any videos, especially that rock that had those really thin lines with the holes drilled into it.

And, but it, it wasn't, there might have been Incan settlements around there. We know that they were at Tijuanau around the corner, but Pumupunku is kind of, it wasn't really claimed by the Inkins, it just, you know, when the Spanish founded, it was kind of the way it was possibly for tens of thousands of years, who knows, but it's definitely, looks like it's been cut with a laser, and it looks like it's been made with high mathematical skill and precision, and it's been buried underground until, you know, 100 years ago. So it's a wild place. So, yeah, that was up on top of the last.

list for sure. Getting through the Bolivian border was well worth it, in my opinion. But the other one for me was Oiante Tambo, which is kind of at the base, you know, Machu Picchu, that's where you get on the train. I had seen pictures of those verticals, you know, megaliths at the top of the mountain before. I kind of thought that that was it. Like you were going to go up to the top and we're going to see those wild, you know, multi-tunct. hundred plus ton stones that are just up there, but it's the whole complex. That place was huge.

And all that stuff that was down at the bottom of the hill with all the mysterious quarrying and cutouts and the rock, those stairs that led to nowhere and that mysterious Atlantean-style fountain that's been going for thousands of years, and it matched the same architectural style as the one that was in Naupon, Glaccia that was just up in a cave. You know, you had to walk there from the railroad tracks.

I mean, we just saw places that if they were in the United States, they would be, you would have just a $50 entry fee. You would have to, you know, there would be an amusement park around the corner of hotels. But some of these places were just like off the road. And it's just absolutely fascinating. John, biggest takeaway or favorite site? These guys kind of jumped on a couple of them, but that sacred cave there heading up there, getting to the top and seeing some of those precision cuts and having the reverence there and the respect. You can see it was set up as an altar.

There was something very mystical, if you will, something special going on. there and being able to, I like getting off the beaten track and getting away from the amusement park and the hotels and things like what Stephen just said there. But that and also climbing the very top, that mountain behind Macho Picchu. That was the highlight of my entire trip. And I don't think my lungs have completely recovered. That's a pretty vertical climb. And I forgot I even signed up for that. And the fact that right at the moment of truce, they're like, you're signed up for this. Where do you want to go? And majority of the group went to the, Temple of the Moon there and I'm like am I blown it should I go that way but I'm so glad that

we climbed to the top there and had that vista view looking down on Macho Pichu and I could just see the the dedication that these multiple civilizations the Incas whoever did it it's it's beyond impressive and Lake Tidicaca too I mean the enormity there I'm drawn to water and just that was a really special place there to seeing seeing that And a lot of what, like a lot of my highlights are just being in the bus, driving through the countryside, seeing the, the Aina, the land, the culture. And you've always hired the best from what I can tell leaders in these groups as far as Rumi and Ernesto. And last year, you know, a couple years ago, Muhammad. So people that have a real reverence for the culture, the people past and present, it really helps tie it all in for me personally.

It was awesome. Yeah, we had some great guides. Handpicked, like you said, that know the real, what I would say, the real history, the real culture, the real legends. They're going to get you below the surface, right? And get you into the meat of what is the strange history here? And, man, you guys all said so many great pieces. John, you mentioned the hike above Machu Picchu. for those that I just want to explain clearer for people that may not understand.

So you could, anybody who registered for the tour, we had a limited number of spots. You could pay extra and get an extra pass to hike the mountain behind Machu Picchu, that iconic mountain peak called Wainapichu. Well, when we got there, we found out that this extra pass gave you the option to either hike up to the top of that mountain or hike about three quarters of the way up it and then go down behind it where the temple of the moon is,

this ancient structure behind Machu Picchu, which was my highlight of the whole tour. And I can talk about that later. But John, I want to ask you, what did you see up on the top of Winapecue when it came to the ruins and evidence of structures? What were you seeing up there? Well, A, it's a vertical. It's a staircase. It's a staircase like this. we were literally climbing hand over fist there to get to the top there.

But looking down, to me, it seemed more of a vista point. It had some importance there, too. I don't know exactly what it was for these people, but it's a great vantage point to kind of see the whole entire valley and the valley over and the scope of Macho Picchu and tying that in. There's a little cave that you go through up there too. And, you know, it's not not even, enormous, but it's a strategic spot, I believe, for the people that designed it and that there's a

reason behind it. And I'm sure it had multiple reasons. You know, they grew a little bit up there. Most of what was going on was down below. But, you know, to have that strategic spot up there is kind of what I saw, you know, kind of to overlook it. And for even the few structures up there that appear to be mostly Incan. I mean, that alone, what an incredible feat for the Inca to get those stones and build that structure literally up a straight vertical mountain. I had a hard time carrying my water bottle, let alone a 300 pound stone for the next step. So these these guys were in great shame. There was a lot of things going on there. Yeah. And again, the beautiful. duty is unparalleled. So that that took me a moment. I just sat in solitude and just breathed it in.

Max, let me throw it back to you. So coming into the tour, did you know anything about the legend of the Hanan Pacha? That's my first question. And then two, we really tried to do a good job of explaining this well throughout the tour. and this legend of the Hanan Pacha comes from Jesus Gamara, a gentleman who lives in Kusko and his father, who are some of the premier knowledge keepers of the ancient Andean legends. But one had you heard of that, and then two, for those who don't know, explain to us what the Hanan Pacha and the three worlds is.

Sure. So I did not read any of Jesus Gamares' books, but I did hear about the Hanan Pacha and the different style theory through Graham Hanuk, through other authors so I was not going there completely clueless but it was really well explained by the different guys that we have and I think this is really important to have people that are not afraid to tell you what they actually think versus what they're supposed to tell you maybe as part of the

archaeological community and yeah so pretty much we're looking at three different styles the first one being the oldest Hanan Pacha which refers to the first civilization in our opinion a first construction construction style that pretty much carves the bedrock directly. So we're not looking into like at carved stones and blocks of stone, but whether just literally cutting down, cutting the mountain and just say carving it the way you actually would like it to appear. And that's what we see in many sides, for example, this Napa Iglesia, this cave that we

might touch upon again. So that's the first style, very ancient, very precise, very well made overall. Then you have this intermediary Uranpacha period, which is pretty much those gigantic, megalithic blocks that you would see, maybe Saxe-Waman, the Korikansha, extremely well carved, but still individual blocks of stone versus the carved bedrock from before. And then the last style, which is, in my opinion, impressive, but the least impressive of the three, which would be Urunpacha, which is clearly the Inka stonework, which is not. that very mysterious in my opinion because it completely aligns with what we know of the inca what they were capable of in terms of tools technology etc but yes there was really those three different styles that were really the main in my opinion the main you know attractiveness of the tour because this is when you see the difference and which clearly shows

that as you mentioned earlier there is a forgotten past in peru something that predate the Inca. And I would just like to add that, I mean, obviously we're all like megalithic nerds. I think we've all done the research here. But literally, no matter how much you know about the stone there, no matter how many videos or books you read, being there on site really blows you away because you can never expect it to be so big and so precise. And, you know, Saxe-Waman, for example, those gigantic walls, which is second-generation. mostly, so Uran Pacha. You may know that the stone, the biggest stones,

is somewhere between like 350 to 400 tons, but when you have it in front of you, this is really when you're confronted to, like, the greatness of what the people achieved. And, you know, we were having altitude sickness, just walking around and carrying the bottle. And you have those people just moving, lifting, transporting, all of those amazing stones.

And so I really enjoyed those, especially the places when you can see the three different generation and styles at the same place, which is really obvious to me. Well stated. Stephen and John, did you guys, what was your thoughts on the theory of the Hanan Pacho or the three worlds and or the three different builders, you know, and I should say each one was represented by the Hanan Pachas represented by the Condor, which you see embedded everywhere in Andean mythology, Oren Pach is represented by the Puma.

And then Ucunpacha, the third one, Max? Yeah, represented by the serpent, which you see embedded everywhere. Stephen John, what were your thoughts on those theories and how you related them to the sites you saw? The stuff that, I mean, the place I mentioned that was, John and I talked about that was up in the cave that blew our minds. I mean, that, it looked like the oldest thing touched by. humans on the planet i mean it looked like something and maybe derrick can add this you know post production but but it looked like something out of a science fiction movie you know it looked like a prop out of science fiction at these sharp lines and these it's almost like a art deco design but it

you're talking about napa iglesia right yeah yeah in the in the fountain at at Oiente Tambo, kind of the similar style, but just the stuff that's like carved out right out of the bedrock. Some of that stuff at Saqse Waman in the same way where you have, I mean, it's staircases going to nowhere, or it's just these, it may look like a throne, or maybe they just, you know, we're playing around and cut a rock out and it left this like perfectly rectangular impression in the bedrock or in this boulder that that you know has been sitting there for a million years but it's just that's where the biggest mysteries are is is the stuff that's like cut right into the side of the wall the the the all the portals that we saw where it's just these perfectly cut rectangles or trapezoids

that just you know lead into the rock but maybe at some point when it was made it led to someplace else. Who knows? But the next step, you know, the next step from Haran Pancha is nothing short of spectacular. That's still completely unexplainable. The building styles

that we saw without mortar, the rocks of Saxe-Wamon and some of those spots in downtown Kusko looked like they've been grown and formed into the shape of the rocks around it. They look like

they're kernels of corn like we mentioned. And who knows? I mean, we don't know. It's quite possibly that's how exactly how they did it. But it looks like that's the way. But it just the countless walls of stone that have been left over that have no real explanation using today's technology. I mean, we can debate it on the comment section all we want,

but unless it starts getting replicated, you know, it's still up for speculation, but it's old as hell. It's old as hell and, you know, and then bump it up, yeah, you just, the Incan work, like, it's very obvious that the Incan came across these half,

these half buildings, especially at Machu Picchi. They go up about four feet, and then you see the rest of it built up with raw stone, and mud mortar and they complete the buildings if they had built you know if they had built with megalithic stones without mortar they would have built the whole the whole building you know the whole structure so there's obviously you know those all those different styles are there and they all hold their own different kind of

cosmological attachment with the Peruvians like they have this whole this whole world, all these realms and have all significant purposes in their spiritual practice. And it's all so beautiful. Yeah. Stephen, you hit on one of the premier points I've made before. You mentioned the comments section. You know, I'm always posting videos and photos right of these megalithic sites. And so often you get comments.

Basically, if you basically state that this was advanced technology, somehow. you're slamming the Inkins. And not at all. I think the Inkins were an amazing civilization who did incredible feats in their day with the technology they had. But as you pointed out, Stephen, if you go to Machu Picchu or many of these sites, you see at least two distinct forms of engineering. You see the mortarless megalithic on the base, about four feet up, and then it ends. And then the rest is small, stone and mortar on top of it finishing the building the big question is you made the point if the inka made all of this as the mainstream says then why didn't they make it all out of the superior

method that's almost indestructible why would you make half of it indestructible in the top half very destructible with loose with with small rocks and mortar so great point and then the other thing that made me think was you guys mentioned like Napa Iglesia, this amazing megalithic cave. Half the time when I'm posting content, you know, there's always the geopulmer crowd that says everything was geopulimer, you know, basically ancient bags of cement. It's funny how they're radio silent when it comes to a site like Napa Iglesia, right? This cave you enter that's got precision 4D portal looking trapezoidal cuts, right? It's funny how they're so silent because clearly that has nothing to do with geo-polymer.

That has to do with cutting and removing, right? John, your next step, bud, what do you think? Yeah, just to piggyback on what they were saying there, and it was all kind of a new concept. Max said it really eloquently. I didn't have all three of the names down. I have the Condor Puma serpent idea down path there. But I'm logical, and the evidence is right there in front of you. I mean, we've touched on that.

There is, without a doubt, and I didn't even know about this until I got there, there are three distinct types of construction. And that's evident. And like you just touched upon the inca's, the rough stones built on the perfect, you know, 300-ton, you know, 20-ton blocks, whatever size. They're all different sizes and cut to precision there. And again, not taking from the Incas. I mean, magnificent, you know.

You know, here where I live, the Tongans build walls. And there's some of the best wall builders in the world. And it reminded me of the Inca style there. And you'll see a lot of that with those plateaus for the farming thing. So that was real evident on them doing that. But the megalithic stuff, you know, there's so many concepts on how it was done. I love reading the comments there. And I kind of stepped back and just was in awe of it and not so much.

I'm not going to crack the code. You three might, but I don't think I'm going to. So just seeing that was evidence to me that there were several different, I don't know, technology, artistry, you know. capability, whatever you want to call it, that that was crystal clear and very evident to me to see that. And they're all magnificent. One of the first sites we saw when we flew south to Kuno in southern Peru by the Bolivian border was Siastani. And this is where these strange enigmatic towers lined, you know, the hills above the lake. Real quick, what's your guys is possible theories on what those were. Do you believe, as the mainstream would say, these were just

some kind of burial chambers? Or do you think it was something far different? I mean, personally, I'm not opposed to the idea that they could have been burial chambers for the Inca, you know, but I'm questioning whether or not they were the one actually, you know, the original builders or if they just, you know, built like upon what was already existing. Because, for example, we didn't really touch on it too much during the tour. But one thing that I found quite puzzling is that the outer layer of some of the chupas were actually megalithic, meaning motorless, large stones, etc. But the inside, I remember this one particular chulpah, was made of like smaller stone,

different kinds of stones too, usually softer, and all of them stuck together with mortar, which would align, in my humble opinion, with what the Inca did. So maybe they were burial chambers if we found some skeletons, probably. But are they really the first builders? It could have this been used for like another purpose. And I think this is a question we can actually apply to a lot of different sites. But so I would say, yeah, I'm maybe convinced that the Inca used it this way. But yeah, they could be some other unknown origin.

And I must say, I have no idea what was the original purpose. The chopper is up there on those hills. those like the coolest like introduction to like the trip. I know a lot of people had like three days before that with the Naska lines and stuff, but just kind of coming up on those on the golden hour and and, and but just to describe what they were, I mean, the ones that impressed me were the, I mean,

there was only one complete one, right? And it was, it had megalithic curved cut stone that had a kind of a top to it, kind of a dome top and then a tiny little entrance at the bottom and I mean we can call these things

burial chambers religious things tombs all we want but that's just kind of like how we like to describe ancient things I mean I I'm only assuming that

most of the stuff that we saw including these these towers these chalpas had a function They had to have had some sort of function, just like the obelisks all over the world, the pyramids, there's theories on all this stuff that they had function, that they wouldn't have put so much effort into these if they didn't have some sort of reason that benefited society in the long term and not just buried a dude for his own purpose. But it was very mysterious to see that the smaller stones with the mud mortar that are assumed to be ink and work. It looked like they filled some of them in. It looked like some of the ones that were kind of half destroyed.

A, look like they've been exploded at some point. The rocks, the megalithic rocks are going the other way. Looks like it had been exploded and one side of it just kind of erupted. and scattered the stones everywhere. But then it looked like the Inkins kind of filled them all in. I don't know if that was, I don't know what the purpose was for that. But yeah, with the lake in the background, that place was beautiful. And I don't need to know the answer.

I just thought it's just a cool introduction to the whole tour. I think a lot of what we saw besides just there too had been repurposed, multi-purposed, you know, over hundreds of years, taking on different forms and, you know, purposes. It almost has like an energy channel to it initially, or, you know, kind of had some of that Egyptian touch to it, but, you know, that's all speculation to why they originally built that. But there's definitely the rounded masonry and the stones like that

and then having to be filled in there, somebody came up behind. I think over time it took on different meanings and maybe they stopped, they weren't activated anymore and then they became tombs. I mean, there's a lot of ideas that were swirling through my head about that and throughout this. And one thing I would like to add to, and this is what Stephen touched upon, and it's a constant in all of those sites and not only in Peru and Bolivia, but also everywhere on earth, is this complete devastation, like disruptions, every day.

where everything looks exploded, you know, flipped over. And to me, this really adds up to the idea that is actually way more ancient, because you would have to dig in the past to find some kind of cataclysm that could explain what you see. Because when you see those amazing architecture that are really built to be earthquake resistant, you would wonder what actually creates this destruction

that we see everywhere, or why a lot of those sites are actually, like, not finished, incomplete. complete, you know. So I think this really adds up to the mystery. Like when we were at Soxie Waman, and again, we tweaked this tour to give you guys more time at big sites like that instead of jumping around to three sites a day and you only have an hour and a half at Soxia Oman, we got like three or four hours. How awesome was that to just explore and have your own free time? But that Chincana Stone we saw on the backside of Soxie Moman, and Stephen, I got that epic video of you walking what looked like stairs sideways.

Like you look at that stone, for example, and you see these all over Kusko. You see these massive boulders or rock outcroppings with, again, the laser-like precision Hanon-Pacha shaping. But you look inside it and you see weathering in massive pockmarks from like, ice age landslides coming through, right? Giving you a sense of how ancient these are. Because some estimates state that the last time there was, you know, basically ice sheets flowing through was 10,000 BC. And you can see it's on top of what was made.

Because you'll see like a, what looks like a megalithic throne cutout. And then you just see all of the pockmarks from these ice sheets coming through, right? So there was so much to see, so much to talk about, what was your guys' take on the Amaru-Muru portal Stargate? I wanted to ask you real quick, because that was just, wasn't that a surreal place?

Obviously, there's now a modern-day highway going through, but you can just picture in the ancient days. This thing is right looking at, at Lake Titicaca, and here carved out of the face of this huge rock is what looks like a literal Stargate to walk through into another dimension. What were your thoughts on that site and the music that our guide played? That was kind of cool. Yeah, I feel like, at least to our guide Ernesto, that that was one of the most important sites to him, you know, because he He pulled his cousin out and they played music.

And the music, you know, it was for us, but the music was for him. It was for his spiritual connection to the space. And he wanted to kind of share his understanding of the area, telling the story of the sun disk, going through the portal. But it was when the vastness of the beauty of prospels. Roo kind of settled in alongside some of these sites, at least for me, where I'm in an actually stunning country. This place is beautiful.

You see the portal, and then you just keep hiking up the mountain. And then it's just, it looks like these rock formations that I'd never seen my life, you know, kind of jutting out of the side of the mountain, looking like. you know stegosaurus scales you know and and it just was it was and Derek and I kind of explored and we found that that opening in the rock where it cut you had that vista and and then Ernesto was showing us all of these ancient formations that there was the caterpillar and the sleeping horse and and all of these structures that people have been identifying for thousands of years they've been coming out there having picnics, having, you know, spiritual moments, having their kids go through the portal.

And it's just been a place. I mean, people were having picnic there and hanging out. But it just was kind of a nice place to be, but such history and such beauty. And the legend, right? I mean, this sundask, as you pointed out, like this guy who literally, this Inca guy, apparently, who, like, put a sundask in the middle of the door and then somehow cross where we don't know. But it's definitely like hard not to, you know, entertain the idea that this could be some kind of gait involved with some lost technology. I mean, I'm personally not the one that is the most really into this,

but I must say even for me, who's trying to be as like down to earth as possible, this legend really had me thinking. Yeah, because it's really crazy. Yeah. And Max is referring to a legend I shared when we were, at the site of one of the legendary Incan priests, when the Spanish were arriving to sack Cusco and take over the Cori Concha,

which was the Inca's capital building, he took their golden sun disk, which was hidden inside the Cori Concha. And according to the legend, traveled out into the wilderness to a Stargate, where he placed the golden disc inside. And then like Max said, he disappeared. And so it might sound like a pretty fanciful legend until you realize this priest's name was Amaru-Muru.

And this site we're talking about is Amaru-Muru. And it's out in the wilderness. And if you could create a Stargate, an ancient Stargate, it would look exactly like this. So, John, what were your thoughts on this site? And then I'll get your guys as closing thoughts. And we'll call it a wrap. Yeah, it was definitely had some cultural significance, you know, past and present. I hiked to the very back of that thing and trying to find the, I don't know what I was trying to find.

But they looked like almost burn marks way on the back of that mountain. I started on the backside. You guys all went to the front. And I don't know why I got sidetracked there. but beautiful spot. Almost had a Utah Zion kind of vibe to it, you know, and a lot of the rocks. So beyond that, obviously, beauty. And for Ernesto to get out the bowls and really tie it all in there, kind of transported me back 500 years ago.

I could see, you know, that's a big part of this trip as I, like, role play, like, time bandits or something going back in time. What was it like? And what were they going through their head? And that legend ties it all in perfectly. You know, that is the perfect portal. Yeah, when Ernesto busted out his musical instruments, again, the power of music at a picturesque ancient site is good enough. But, man, there was something about him playing those crystal bowls.

Frequency. The frequency, man, I was, I'm not the world's biggest feeler, but I was feeling something there. Guys, we're about out of time. I'd love to get each of your closing thoughts on the trip, takeaways, whatever in a minute or two. Max will start with you and then we'll go, Steve and John. What are your closing thoughts on this trip

and everything you experienced or maybe something else you came away with? It could even be something about the culture, whatever you want. Max, go for it. Sure. I mean, obviously Peru is amazing. I would do it all over again. No questions ask. I think for me what, I mean, as I said before, just one sentence, regardless of what your mindset is, regardless how much you research about it, being there on site and touching the stone and seeing the stone with your own eyes really is, you know, something to do. And I would definitely recommend the tour too, because what I think is really cool with those tours,

apart from obviously the people and the group dynamics, etc. It's how everything is also optimized, right? It really is the trip of the experience of a lifetime because you're just, we have some times to rest. Don't worry about that. We have an amazing hotel to rest in the evening, but it's quite packed, quite intense, and it's really difficult to see so many important sites

alternating between megalithic sites, but also like really places dear to the Peruvian people. And, you know, maybe, yeah, on a closing thought, on top of just nurturing all my megalithomani kind of, to me, was also those specific moments that really add to the trip. You know, I see us at this Siakou restaurant in Kusko, for example, in this huge terrace outdoor area. I see us in the train ride to Machu Picchu. You know, those are the cool places in between, pretty much. I really make the whole trip special.

And I don't think you can really achieve that much in such a little time without actually going through the group tour. And again, I would like to do a special shout out to you, Derek, for organizing it. And also to collaborate with such amazing guides, because on top of Rumi Ernesto and the others, more than just the explanation they're giving you, it's also the wisdom that is attached to it. You know, the beliefs of the Peruvian tradition

but also, you know, living simply and being kind to people and believe and don't forget about the cosmology, the stars. And I think it's really amazing for us human beings to also get out of the routine, get out of the nine to five jobs and really explore the words and meet those different kind of people, which could be equally as amazing as the stones that we're seeing. So I definitely recommend it. Thanks, Max. And I got to give you a shout out for many. my daughter's highlight of her trip. I brought my eight-year-old daughter on this tour with my wife. And so my daughter's highlight, she's eight years old, is the train ride to Machu Picchu,

but not just because it's this amazing vista dome train. And just so you know, some groups are just in a normal train. We had the vista dome where you can see outside the roof and the mountains, which makes all the difference. But as Ryan and I sat next to Max and Barbara, if you're listening, you are awesome. And Azariah brought her Uno cards. And so we were playing Uno, and that was all cool until Max taught us the French version of playing Uno. And so Azariah thought it was so cool to learn your French rules for Uno. And then as you learned, the student became the teacher as Azariah won four in a row.

So thanks for making her trip and teaching us your French Uno rules. Stephen, what about you, man? Final takeaway. I like what Max said about all the in-between. I thought the tour didn't cut any corners. We ate well. We stayed in these beautiful hotels. The commutes were nice.

I mean, it just, I don't mind sitting in a bus for a few hours if there's good company and the air conditioner's on. And the train ride was stunning. But this trip was different than other trips for me. where, you know, I either visit a friend or I go with, with, you know, a companion or a friend to go on a trip to a specific place. And, you know, it's usually like a city or a, or a, you know, maybe a country that you just kind of hit the cities and you do city tours

and you see the museums. And there was plenty of that, you know, when we were in Kusko, et cetera. but this was different. The sites that we're seeing, the mysteries around some of these places where you're really in a contemplative state when you go to each of these places. And for me personally,

I took it at a spiritual direction. And I really wanted to make sure that I was kind of connecting with, whatever energy is held in these stones, whatever that mystery is, I mean, just to have these architectural masterpieces just still intact on this planet, that there's unknown purpose, unknown age, unknown people put these together, you know, and the technology use is we don't have any idea.

And for me to just kind of like put my hands on it and to just kind of wonder and to kind of like understand that maybe the timeline of human history isn't what we were taught in schools and isn't what we perceive. And just to kind of embrace that there's a possibility that when I touch the walls of Saxe-Wamon, that it could have been built by somebody 30,000 years ago or more. I mean, that's what our guides kind of put out there, that even Peruvians, they don't have any idea. But the ancient part, and after this trip, I've dedicated, I mean, I love the beach.

I love going to the beach and just kind of lounging, right, like going to whatever, Porto Vallarta or something and enjoying a Mai Tai on the beach. That's a fantastic vacation. But I really, like, if I go to some place, I want to make sure there's an element of, ancient impossible objects, you know, whether it's Japan, whether it's Cambodia, whether I make my way out to Egypt, obviously, but I just want to make sure that like, you know, getting out of Tokyo, I want to make sure that I see those sites out there that are unexplainable because I don't know. It's something that I need to see on this planet. It's just part of our human history.

and I feel like it's up to me. It's up to me, folks. I need to see for myself. Well said, John. Awesome. Yeah, and kind of along those lines there, this is more than a vacation. It was a definite adventure. And if I would have tried to have done this on my own, you know, Derek, you put this together

so well between, you know, Peru and Egypt, just having the access that I would not have been able to have to your team leaders and guys. and yourself. So having full access to these things, bilingual safety, just getting into Bolivia. I mean, they had to go to bat. There were some bureaucracy there. I would have given up. I would not have gone to Bolivia if it wasn't for this tour. So to piece all that together there. And then it's also the combination of taking, you know, the legend, the wisdom and the academia, and mixing it all together there. And of course, there are some down moments to it too. I mean, you could go get a massage.

You could go down to the lounge. You can do whatever you want. But we got in there and we got cerebral on a few things and spiritual. I felt a spiritual element there as well. And for me, after, you know, nine days with the tour and then ending up in Kusco, the final day. And on my own, waiting for the ride of the airport there, going up to the Inka Museum. And looking at the real textbook, academia, this is how it was all done. and then tying that together with what I just experienced, not what I heard or read, but experienced.

And not conflicting the two, but they really, they paralleled each other really well. It wasn't what I read in, you know, world history and in sixth grade. You know, we got deep on a few things. And I'm forever grateful for that, Derek. And you have a lovely family. I'm really stoked to see them again, too. Well, guys, thank you so much for, uh, Coming on the tour, thank you so much for your time to do this interviews.

If you're watching by video, Stephen has his cat. What a fat-looking cat that's awesome with green eyes. Guys, thank you for your feedback and just sharing your experiences. This was a lot of fun to do this recap. And again, to everybody else in the tour who hears this or watches this, you guys were amazing. Thank you for coming on the tour. and we're going to try to do a Zoom hang out maybe in a couple weeks with everybody who can make it.

But again, guys, thank you so much for your feedback for coming on the tour. It was so awesome getting to know each of you. And what I love most about these tours is all the friends I make all over the world. So now I've got John there in Hawaii who's already offered the place when I need to come get away and surf. I got my bro Stephen in Oklahoma, a handyman. And then I've got Max over in Germany to, when I need a European fix, I can go hang out with him. So guys, thank you so much. This was fun.

And to everybody listening or watching, thank you for your support. I would recommend everybody, go to Stargatevoyager.com slash tours. Bookmark that because as soon as my next tour, are solidified. They'll be right there. And our last two tours sold out. So you want to, you know, try to get a jump on some of these tours. And just for everybody listening right now, this is kind of breaking news. Our next tour looks like it's going to be at the end of May 2025. It's going to be a combo tour. I've never done anything like this. Meaning it's going to be a Peru, Bolivia, and Easter island tour where you can do them all together and it's like a 15 day tour or you can just do one

section and each section's at least five days so if you've never been to peru this is your chance if you've been to peru but you haven't been to bolivia or easter island and you want to do one or two of those you can do that so stargate voyager.com slash tours that will be released soon guys thank you so much and let's stay in touch. Thank you, Derek. And good to see you guys. See you soon. Bye-bye.