Megalithic Marvels - Ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon? Eisenhower’s Alien Meeting & Russia’s Mystery Shafts | Ken Gram

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

History is filled with stories that seem almost too strange to be true. In this episode, we investigate the enduring legend of ancient Egyptians hidden within the Grand Canyon, claims of President Eisenhower’s secret meeting with extraterrestrials, Russia’s mysterious unexplained shafts, and the strange energy vortexes said to exist throughout Sedona. Are these simply legends and coincidences—or could some of these mysteries contain clues to stories we’ve yet to fully uncover? I sit down with researcher Ken Gram to go down these rabbit holes...JOIN ME ON A TOUR

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Ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. Did Eisenhower have a secret meeting with extraterrestrials? Sedona's mysterious vortexes, Russia's unexplained shafts, the 1561 German UFO incident, And a whole lot more, I'm sure. These are some of the topics we're going to attempt to tackle in this episode as I am joined by my friend and fellow researcher, metalworker, filmmaker, host of the Quest channel on YouTube where he explores vast mysteries and evidence at the edges of our accepted knowledge. I'm joined by Ken Graham. Ken, thanks for joining me, man.

How much, Derek, thank you so much for having me. good to see you. I appreciate you having me on. I am super excited to hear about your recent trip to Peru and Bolivia. As you stated, you know, we had an awesome time earlier this year. That was my first time south of the, in the southern hemisphere. So it was nice for you to show me around, you know, get to know Roomy as well, who I'm sure we'll talk about today. That was pretty cool. Just awesome too. I love to, You know, you posted the other day. It was nice. Just all the pictures of all the friends and the people that you meet.

That was probably one of the best parts just to get to know everybody, all the people that we met. So, yeah, from around the world, pretty incredible. It is. Yeah. That's where you and I connected just this year, this last May on my annual spring Peru tour. It was so great to have you. Oh, and let me just tell everybody really quick before I forget, follow Ken on YouTube. His channel is called Quest, but his handle is at Graham Ken, G-R-A-M-K-K-E-N, at Graham Ken.

And then he's also really active on Instagram at Kenneth Graham, K-E-N-N-E-T-H-G-R-A-M. So, yeah, we met on my Peru tour, and that was such an epic tour, such an amazing group of people. And really quickly, I learned you were a pretty awesome guy. I learned that you were a metal worker. We were having some great conversations and funny moments like when we were eating cooey together. Oh, yes. In the Highlands of Peru, that was awesome. And I was just liking your observations, especially coming from the metalworker lens that you have.

And then I found out you were a fellow content creator. And we just hit it off talking about making videos and nerd and out. So that was such a great trip. And yeah, I do about two Peru tours a year now. So that one just seems like yesterday. And I just got back from my now fall Peru tour where I was in southern Peru, a little different than where we were near Lake Titicaca region, going into Bolivia. And before we hit record, you were asking me about some of the highlights. And one of them was definitely seeing the colossal Qutimbo towers.

This is like at 13,500 feet elevation. Way above Lake Titicaca are these massive, some call them Chulpa towers, funerary towers. I do believe they were used as funerary monuments, but I don't know if that was the original purpose. What did Rumi say? Yeah, well, he, Rumi, our guide, one of the best in Peru. He was showing us all these photographs and evidence that guess what was found inside. Not just skeletons, skeletons with the elongated skulls. Nice.

And so, again, they were definitely used for burial purposes. I'm not necessarily convinced that was the original purpose because these things are so massive. And you get into these ones at Kutimbo, and it's the same precision polygonal, mortarless architecture we see like at Soxey-Waman. Yeah. You know, it's interesting, too, so you don't know the original purpose. I mean, that's actually one of the, one of the episodes that I recently did, too. It's like, especially just all over the world.

It's just incredible to find just how many people found things and took them over. I mean, like the most basic one is literally like something like Mount Rushmore is the most recent example of us like carving into something that, you know, was sacred to somebody else at the beginning and calling it, you know, our own. So it's like how many times in the past have people done that? And yeah, anyway, so it's interesting that you mention that because it's like, how do we know, right? Yeah, great point. I mean, there's so many theories on these towers, like were they almost like ancient antennas, you know, because of the way they're placed? And it's just just such a high remote location. I brought my drone on this trip. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so that was

extra fun on this tour because I was busting out the drones at the sites where, you know, it was allowed, where there wasn't a lot of people. And so I got some great show, by the way, yeah, got some great video footage I'll post to that. One other highlight I'll give you is, and I'm going to make a video on this really soon, Rumi, you know, he's got his ear to the ground and he's connected to so many people. And so he had heard a rumor that at this old Spanish church located near Lake Titicaca, that there were something very interesting hidden underneath it. And so he kind of, him and Michael whisper this to me, our tour operator, they're like, should we check this out? I'm like, uh, yeah. So we pull the bus over without telling the group why we're really stopping. And we run in and basically find

who's in charge and say, hey, can we make a donation, a generous donation to your church? That's nice. Go down into the crypt. To our shock, they said yes. Wow. And so we told everybody, hey, this is a megalithic Marvel's special. Nice. So you're in store for a surprise here.

So people were all excited. This was like the most Indiana Jones-esque thing we had done in a while. Yeah, it sounds incredible. The church alone was just incredible. It was built in 1605 by the Spanish, you know, colonialists. We walk in, you see the elaborate, you know, figurines and icons all over. But off to the left, if the main golden sanctuary is here, off to the left, you saw this big wooden platform. And so they told us, remove, you know, push that away.

And so all of us guys are pushing this platform. And there it is. I mean, we're talking ancient dilapidated stairs. is just crumbling. And so it was actually dangerous. We had one guy fall and scrape his back really bad. I felt terrible. These are wooden stairs from the 1600 built.

These were like brick stairs that are just decaying. Okay, okay. And yeah, from 1605, whenever this was built. So you go down into the subterranean crypt. And, you know, it's like this curved roof. It's dripping wet, you know, you're seeing ancient, Spanish relics. That alone was incredible. Sure.

Wood. And then I start to see bones. I see a huge femur. I'm starting to see skull fragments and then more schools. And then I look around the corner and hidden behind kind of the stair that went down, an elongated skull. No way. Yeah. And to me it looked just sitting there among everything. Just sitting there with these other skulls. And to me it looked like a natural elongated skull. not just a cradle headboarded one. So again, I'll put some video footage out of this soon, but that was one of the best highlights.

That's incredible. Totally off script, off the beaten path. It made up for the other two museums we went to where we show up to see the elongated skulls and they're all gone. I saw that. That's crazy. Yeah.

Like, I mean, what was the story behind that? Because you posted that and it was like, it seemed like somebody had gone in there and robbed it or taking it away without anybody knowing it. It literally looked like there was still remnants of like, you know, debris and everything in there. It's like, like what, do you know what happened with that? Well, I do have an update and I'm, well, I guess I'll break it here with you. So, yeah, from what I've found out, again, just two days before we were there,

the Waiky mummies, it's known, was sitting right there. Yeah, yeah. And it had been there since like 2010 or something, a long time. Well, it had actually been in a different museum and then they transferred it to this. because they wanted it to be displayed better. And even the guard who works there every day was shocked that it was gone, you know. Wow. And he told us something about the guy who discovered the mummy.

I think his name was Senior Renato. There was something with him and his wife. Something going on where basically they took it. and almost like it was in his home. So some were thinking, well, did he just want it protected in his home since he found it? Or did the wife actually try to sell it? Because there's a big market for this. Sure.

Well, the good news is I think due to maybe my video footage and Rumi posted stuff, he's really connected in Peru. The last thing I heard last, no, just a couple days ago, Rumi told me Wikey is back in the museum. Oh, nice. Well, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, so the thing needs to be on public display because there's so much we can learn about it. And to have it just hidden in someone's house, to me, is ridiculous.

Was there any, like, did it show up magically or did somebody say like, yeah, I got it? Or, you know, it's just in the middle of the night. It just reappeared. Yeah. Well, I just think it just kind of reappeared. It sounds like, you know, it's very third world there at the Huaro Museum where this was. Sure. So it sounds like the senior Renato and his wife have keys to the building.

Again, this is secondhand information I'm getting. But I did actually talk to Brian Forster about this. And he said, yeah, Waikie was taken because of a dispute with the municipalities. But again, if what I, if. what Rumi told me is correct, it's back, and hopefully it's back for good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you know what's interesting, too, about, like, all of that. Like, considering where you just went, you know, you were describing going underground

and seeing the elongated skull, I mean, there's, there's the element of how many things are underground and built on top of tunnels and whatnot. Like, we even, you know, in, oh, gosh, I think it was, maybe it was Chinchero, or the other church where it had a tunnel under there and Rumi was talking about how he was there just a year ago. And then, of course, Saxo-Warman, where it has the tunnel that goes like seven kilometers down into Kusko. The interesting thing to me, too, is like that just like the lack of like security around these like amazing places. I mean, for the most part, people respect them and that's beautiful, you know, and that's awesome. It's great.

You know, but it's like for a, like, the, the sax of woman, like, tunnel, it's like, let's get on that and, like, go in there and, like, just put maximum effort. But, I mean, I understand, like, funding and all that stuff is, you know, hard to come by because it's like, you may not discover anything or you might discover something that changes the world. And it's like, do you risk that? How do you get the funding for that? But especially being in Peru, now maybe if it was in a different spot, that changes the story.

But, you know, at the same time, like, you know, I live in Arizona, and there's tons of sites here, you know, from the, like, the Ho-Hocum and what have you. But, like, you literally can just walk up, like, I was at Sacred Mountain a couple of weeks ago, and in the Verdi Valley. And, you know, I walked up a mountain. And there's literally thousands of pieces of pottery just sitting there and among ruins and everything. So on one hand, it's like, it's amazing that we can access. all of this. And then on the other, it's like, it's kind of like, damn, we'd like some more protection, you know, well. But all, you know, it's a, you know, this is a double-edged story, I guess. So, but a hundred percent. It's a double-edged sword. It's so great to, like,

having been at sites like Chechnica, I was there in 2020 in Mexico, I was so disappointed because, you know, it's not even close to Megalific there. It's so much more new. Yet, they won't even let you get within five feet of anything. Right. Right. You know, you can't even get a finger by anything. So it's amazing that we can go into these megalific caves and tunnels and sites and structures and see, feel, and touch. Yet, it's, you know, when ends up happening, you know, is stuff getting defaced from time to time and idiots, idiots messing stuff up.

So always I say yes. treat this stuff like it's the most you know some of the most sacred spaces on earth and honor it and totally but let's i want to hear a little bit about your journey and i know everybody else does watching listening tell us a little bit can about how you came to this place you live there in arizona you're often in sidona you're getting to explore the ancient ruins around you there You're also a metalworker and now a filmmaker making videos about alternative history, UFOs, anomalies. Tell us a little bit about your story. What forged you to become who you are today?

Oh, man. I mean, I guess I can go way back too. I mean, I actually, so this is part of my channel covers tons of stuff. So part of my story and a major part of it is that I had open heart surgery when I was three years old. and that's affected me mentally, physically for my whole life. But I actually played Division I was in college baseball. I can't remember if I told you that on a trip, too. So that's another one.

I'm a big baseball fan, all that good stuff. And what are you, six foot five? Six five. Yeah, so a catcher that was six foot five, yes. Yeah, when I'm standing next to you, it's not like I'm standing by a baseball player, but like an NFL tight end. Right. I often, especially when I'm growing my hair out again, especially when I have longer hair,

I will inevitably get enough of the junk. People are like, oh, do you, did you play football? Or did you play football? No, that was a catcher. He didn't really take advantage of my height. But yeah, I mean, somehow, I mean, somehow I got into welding, probably because my dad is a mechanic. And I'm like, I mean, he didn't know how to weld, and I just figured, I'm going to do that, did that for a handful of years.

And, you know, like, I would, didn't want to be a mechanic. a welder my whole life, but I loved it. And then I worked in aerospace companies like Boeing and gosh, medical device led some companies operations leadership. And then yeah, just basically in like lean manufacturing operations consulting now. But so that how all that leads to this is like throughout my, you know, my life, I've just been like a huge misconduct. mystery nerd. Like, I have a TV in my office here. New from Nespresso. Blend wellness into your coffee routine with a coffee plus range, infused with functional benefits. Choose the coffee you love with added B vitamins, like

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And that and, you know, Star Trek, big, big, the next generation did influence. So, I mean, I, my brother-in-law and I will just go, like, have conversations like this and just, his name's Taylor. He has a company called Pure Pay. And we just literally go for hours and just talk about this, you know, this type of stuff. But I never really had an outlet. And I mean, because of you, you know, honestly, it's like, you're like, just put it out there. It's like, it's all right.

I've got like lots of stuff to talk about, inspirational with my surgery and my welding. I've got a garage full of random stuff and, you know, metalworking. And then, you know, of course, the UFO and ancient, you know, history and megaliths. And I think probably here in Arizona, you know, having such access to it influenced that a lot. lot, but it's just been, you know, watching YouTube channels, your stuff, obviously a huge influence. And, I mean, others out there, you know, the Graham Hancock's Randall Carlson. You mentioned Sedona, too. I, you know, my wife and I got a place up there a handful of years ago, and I've been fortunate to be able to go see those shows with Graham Hancock and

Randall, you know, get some selfies with them and just sit there and listen and nerd out. And it's, yeah, it's just, it's just quite literally a YouTube has become just an outlet. It's awesome, like some of the feedback you get from everybody. You know, it's cool to see people watching it. Since I've gotten back from that last May trip and started following your YouTube channel, you are absolutely crushing it. Like you're a content creation machine, Ken. So keep up the great work.

And yeah, just scrolling through your YouTube channel lineup and watching some of your videos, those are some of the main topics I want to dive into, stuff you've made videos about recently, which is perfect. So again, everybody follow Ken on YouTube at Graham Ken. His channel is called Quest. And you made a video recently about forging a medieval spoon. So I want to talk about this first because, again, you're a metal. worker. Tell us a little bit about like how in the world did you create such an epic,

amazing medieval spoon? Yeah. Again, that is like, I guess goes to my my personality of like, I am, if I, if there's something that I like and I'm interested in, I'm all in, went out and made my own, you know, custom handbill stand and it looks, it looks badass. It's like, it's solid, you know, thick. How long did it take you in total to make that medieval spoon? Oh gosh. It wasn't, you know, I did it in an afternoon. Okay. Yeah. I mean, but if you're talking about value added time, like where I'm actually hammering, I mean, 10 minutes. Wow.

But like maybe four hours of actual work. And that's made out of what metal? It's just regular old carbon steel. Okay. And do you use that in your house now? Like, is that your wife's favorite spoon? Right, right. I know.

I try to get my girls. to eat some cereal with it, but they're like, nothing. We got to get into the real juicy stuff. Oh, yeah. And that is ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. Now, it's been quite a while since I've revisited these stories, but you made a video on it recently. So to those who may be brand new to this thought, these. conspiracy theories, as the mainstream would call it, that there was ancient Egyptians and

artifacts found in the Grand Canyon. Kind of give us the backstory. What does this originate from? And what are the main points? And then maybe we'll go even deeper. Yeah, I love it. I love it. And yeah, so being from Arizona, this is a super interesting one to me because I've been to the Grand Canyon many times. And the story, I believe it wasn't like 1906, something like that. And the, it was called the Arizona Gazette at the time, which is now, I believe, the Arizona Republic. And I remember, you know, growing up, getting the Arizona Republic, you know, on the driveway, that's what my parents subscribed to. So it's like, it's kind of cool to see that trace, you know, that lineage and everything. But yeah, like there's an explorer and some folks call

this guy, you know, a mythical character. But his name was G.E. Kincade. And supposedly he, you know, was doing a tour down the Grand Canyon all the way to Yuma, and they published a couple of stories, you know, like, Kaye makes it to Yuma, so on and so forth. And then a couple days later, they, the Arizona Gazette publishes a story, you know, that, oh, he found, you know, ancient Egyptian caves and whatnot in the Grand Canyon. And there's tons of clues as to where it might be. They don't like precisely say in the article or anything like that. But it's super cool to like kind of track it down because it's like kind of gives like a little bit of a chronology and timeline as to what he saw. And so that that lends itself to criticism, of course, because there's like not very, you know, many specifics. And so you got your, you know, the naysayer articles. It was the, I think it was like the Coconino Sun in Flagstaff, which was like a direct competitor. And or, you know, just the difference in geography. things like that, you know, northern Arizona.

They probably had reasons to, you know, discount what the Arizona Gazette was saying and things like that. But also they might have just said that, hey, this seems like a, I can't remember the guy's name, but it was like a hoaxer, you know, type of a story and who lived in Arizona and got all these things around. But one of the things that interested me the most in it, and why I did this story, is that I had no idea that there were other. articles published about the story. And the one specifically that I did the video on was from Jerome, Arizona. And it's relatively close to Sedona as well. And I liked it because it was a mining town. And folks will say, like, oh, I just got a bunch of dumb miners and everything. It's like, well, I was a welder. And like some of these people that I welded with were the smartest people I know.

And you need to know, you know, geology in that case and how things. work because your life depends on it you know so like for for me that was just super interesting and you know in terms of like you know potential credibility of the story and and of course you have the people who are and and the engineers and the business people who are investing in this town was like one of the biggest booming towns you know in that time frame just because of all the all of the mining activities so it's like if you publish something there you know it's probably got some weight to it. And again, though there was something that they called,

you know, yellow journalism back in the day where it's like, hey, let's just publish something that's, you know, extravagant just to get some, it's basically the clickbait of the day, too. So you got all that type of stuff. But one of the fun things that I did based on that, oh, I'm sorry, there was another article. It was like a Mormon newspaper up in Utah or something like that that published basically the same article verbatim. So you've got multiple sources. And that was the cool thing for me was that, you know, there were multiple sources because you only hear about the Arizona Gazette one, you know.

So it had more legs than, you know, you're initially let on to believe. But I did, I did plan out a trip because I know like on the Y files, they have some video of some guy going there where there's like a. you know, a concrete block where it's like you can like almost repel down and there's like a caged cave and there's black helicopters and all that stuff when people fly around. But, you know, I Google mapped it and there's a, I can't remember the highway, but it's like, it's kind of on the, I want to say like south-eastern edge. It's where the Little Colorado and Colorado Confluence comes together.

And then it goes like just north like five miles or something like that. So, you know, you're looking around on Google Earth and you see a whole bunch of rapids and it's like, oh, that looks like what he was talking about, you know, and all that good stuff. So, I mean, it's super treacherous, you know, to get down there. I'm, like, I'm mapping it out. There's a lookout point just south of it. I'm trying to remember what it's called. But if you look up anyway, the Colorado, little Colorado and Colorado confluence, it's right there to the north. At least that's what the myth says.

So you think that those coordinates or that area is likely where this kind of happened, right? Yeah. What was the guy's name again? GE Kincaid was the explorer. So this is supposedly kind of the area where Kincaid was when he said he saw these caves with the Egyptian artifacts. Yeah, yeah, that's correct. And have you heard, Ken, is it, from what I understand, it's like you can only go to a certain point. And then the black helicopters will show up if you go beyond, correct?

Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, and I don't know. I mean, that would be fun to find out, you know. But, yeah, I know there's a trail that goes all the way to that lookout point, but getting on the other sides, like, to the north of it, because you got the little Colorado coming in from the east, and then the Colorado's coming down from the north,

and they kind of converge and go south. And then that point is on that convergence. And I think you can get up, you know, around. around there, you know, the other way, but it just takes a while. I mean, even the hike just to get to that lookout point is pretty crazy. I looked it up, like even experienced hikers, you know, it's at least an overnight type of a hike. New from Nespresso. Blend wellness into your coffee routine with a coffee plus range infused with functional benefits. Choose the coffee you love with added B vitamins, like

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up and down. But some experience, hikers can chime in. If you happen to go missing in a couple months, I can help sound the alarm bell that content creator Ken Graham disappears filming the forbidden ancient Egyptian ruins in the Grand Canyon. That would give it a lot more legs as a story, right? that could be that could be what makes you go big so uh remind us what these articles specifically said about what he saw was it hieroglyphs was it an actual statue anything more on

what he said he saw yeah yeah there there was a lot of hieroglyphs egyptian you know type stuff and it's interesting too that there's a lot of the grand canyon is named after Egyptian type you know, monuments and everything. There's like, you know, pyramid points and things like that. But yeah, in the cave. And even he calls it like a Buddhist type of a thing. So that's like, you know, a little bit odd. So it's like almost like a, it has like a feel in the article of like a collection type of a site or something like that.

But yeah, caves, you know, an extensive set of caves and things like that. mostly hieroglyphs and carvings and and and I just I distinctly remember that that call out for the like a Buddhist statue too so it's like you know it makes me go hmm but uh but also too it's just super fun and I mean those walls you know at the gang can it if you've ever been it's like even just standing next to it and like even picking one point out and looking up and down and trying to pick out a cave you might be able to pick out one and there's thousands and thousands of caves you know just naturally, you know, in the canyon. So it's like, no wonder it's hard to find. Yeah. Now let's talk about, this has always intrigued me, the Eisenhower possible secret meeting with extraterrestrials. Yes. Now, when it comes to, you know, UFO lore, extraterrestrials, the stuff that always piques my interest is the vintage crash retrievals, you know these stories whether it's roswell whether it's the aztec crash and it seems like it's always happening in new mexico arizona or somewhere in the middle of nowhere in california it's always

out west um so kind of give us again to people who might not know anything about this kind of give us the backstory the dates the location the setting eisenhower as president he's in california and the mainstream narrative says he was doing this, but the alternative conspiracy theories say he might have actually been doing this. Tell us about kind of what your video explained. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And you're right, Derek. It's like this is like super fun. I mean, the other the other crash, the kingman crash too is the one. Oh, yeah. Right. I want to go see. And Arizona has a bunch of stuff. I mean, I was, I was actually born in Palm Springs. So this one's don't know anything about it because I moved to Arizona in like 1985.

So, but I mean, it's another desert, you know, it's another desert similar, similar to the Phoenix area. And, but, but yeah, this was super interesting to me because it's, as you know, there's tons of conspiracies around it. And the, it was literally just like an Eisenhower vacation. I mean, Palm Springs was a big vacation spot. and, you know, there's tons of photos of it, and there's like, you know, he's got his whole entourage and everything.

As he's coming in, Palm Springs is welcoming him and all that good stuff. And, you know, just all normal, like you would expect. But also, too, it seemed like a little bit over the top for the entourage as well, you know, as some of the people were saying, just initially just reporting. And then you have, you have them going along. And like one day he goes golfing, you know, and they have these logs too. You can literally look them up. And it's like the old handwritten logs or typewritten logs.

And just interesting how, you know, because you think about computers nowadays, it's like so easy to keep a log, even if you just do a voice memo or something. But how they did it back in the day, of course, was literally just handwritten logs by his, you know, security team. And then, yeah, golfing dinner. And then at night, it's like there's like some. missing time and and and and then there's like immediately the like the his his like press team comes out and somehow a a note literally gets sent out that says like the president has died and it's like how does it go from he's missing to he's died you know within just like minutes and so it's just interesting how those things just get blown out of proportion and so you've got you

you've got that missing time, I believe it was like from 8 to 10 or so. So it's like a really short period of time considering like what, you know, the whole story is about. So it's like hard to kind of imagine. Maybe the timing was off because it's like very specific eight to, eight to 10 or eight to nine or something like that. And so you start to hear the stories of like, oh yeah, it was a, a chipped tooth. But it's like, how does a, how does a.

chipped tooth and a dental visit get blown out of the proportion that the, you know, the president has died. So, I mean, and again, you know, with politics and stories and things these days, it's like it's not hard to understand, like, how things, you know, how things, you know, go that route. But it's the, like, some of the stories, because of that, you know, you have, you have him being taken, you know, via car, you know, all the way to, oh my gosh, I'm forgetting the name of the Air Force Base, but it's the one just a little bit to the north there. And they, you know, that just doesn't seem feasible because you like map out the route. And it's just not even pause. I mean, you're to spend most of your time driving. So it's like, all right, maybe there was some helicopters or something like that, because that's more feasible. But I mean, so it's the supposed thing,

Like, there's a ton of, you know, stories that's like, we went to go see some craft, meet some aliens, make a deal with, you know, like abductions and things like that. That particular story just, like, feeds into a lot of the UFO lore. Like, I mean, you see, you know, he does, you know, Jesse Michaels does a ton of stories about, you know, like deals with aliens for people to be abducted and returned safely or, you know, because you see, like, like, all the cow mutilation. and things like that with Skinwalker Ranch. And like that's a legit, you know, site. Like some strange things happen there. And there's, you know, tons of people that go there and report weird experiences. And, you know, you got your billionaire aerospace CEOs who are, you know, own and are invest in that place and go see it.

So it's a super interesting story. But they, the fact that Eisenhower was just missing for a few hours because of a chip tooth and and it got spun into he was dead or he's going to see aliens. It's just no wonder that this is a story because there's something happened. There's something that was, you know, like why come out with he's dead versus just saying like he chipped his tooth. Tell us how it happened because I don't even, there's not even really any details on that either. So but yes, that is the story of like he, he went and met with like extraterrestrials. and, you know, did the handshake whatever it required.

And for me, it's, it's, um, it's just interesting that, I mean, as a, as a species, like, let's just, let's just go down that path. Like, yeah, I am a, I am an alien species. Why do I choose to even have negotiations? Because I think it was like, I think literally the story is like, he's like, yes, you can. And maybe it was like a military type of a thing. You can sample our military people and you just have to be discreet about it and, you know, in exchange for technology or something to that effect. Yeah, I've also heard it was like the treaty involves something about, you know, the extraterrestrials will give the humans or the United States, you know, advanced technology in exchange to abduct, well, to abduct your people to, you know, genetically mess.

with them and harvest their organs or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And if that is true, I mean, that's the wildest thing if that's true. But also too, at the same time, it's like if you have that power to come here, you know, whatever, maybe they're here. You know, I lean towards it's like there's, there's a mystery out there. And it's like something, there's some evidence that something, something is out there. And we need to figure out what it is and use and not just dismiss it.

But if you have that technology, it's just like the megalithic thing. It's like, oh, you know, the ink of built it. That's, you know, that's it. We're done. Okay. Maybe not. Maybe they inherited it. There's a whole other episode on that, too.

But it's like, yeah, there's a lot more to it. I mean, I think there's, you know, just dismissing it isn't the right way to go. Because there's a lot of folks out there doing some, some, good scientific research via Tedesco brothers like are a you have a couple of guys on the in the UFO realm where they literally have the vans that are set up with all this gear and they're like working with the FBI and trying to understand what these things are and so you know it's it doesn't when you put that scientific approach to it it doesn't seem you know that that far-fetched and I love I love that people are talking about it now you have you know even the hearings like

you know, with David Grush and whatnot a couple years ago and then a couple of subsequent ones, putting it into the mainstream, which, you know, basically allows people to talk about it. And let it be a real scientific subject, because as it should be, evaluated with tools and not just dismiss it, just because it's a crazy thing. So, yeah. So you live in the Phoenix area, but you have a home in Sedona, which I was there earlier this year for the quest for ancient civilizations conference. And what an amazing and kind of bizarre, mysterious city, Sedona is.

I mean, just the warm colors, you just feel that it draws you. There's something about that reddish orange rock you guys have there in Arizona that just makes you feel. That's kind of peaceful. but the way that Sedona sits with those rocks in the background like dude to live there against those rocks would be incredible when you're in Sedona you hear a bunch about these the vortex tell us what these might be what the theories are I mean I've heard crazy stuff like you know you're in one when you start seeing twisted trees tell us about this have you found any and what have you experienced at that these vortices.

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I mean, we just go there as much as we possibly can just to recharge on the weekend. And yeah, the vortices are, I mean, I think they're a real thing. You will see stuff out there, you know, trying to debunk them that was invented by somebody in like the 70s or 80s or even earlier than that. But yeah, you will see the juniper trees. And it could be a little bit of a selective, you know, type of viewing when you know you're close to the vortex and you see like these twisted juniper trees. Because I don't I've done some observations and you see some of the pines as well. They don't necessarily, you know, have the same, you know, attributes, I suppose, near a vortex. But whatever it is, it's something.

And I think, you know, I've been on the hikes with my wife. And it is, I guess I would call it the best way to describe it is synesthesia. Meaning, I heard a smell or smelled a sound or something like that. That is how I described it. Or just like pure kind of joy, elation, calmness, something to that effect. Whether it's just the nature of Sedona, it could be. But regardless, that's a thing because it's an incredible place. being on a hike with my wife, literally on Courthouse Butte on the Northeast side, there's

supposedly a mini one there, and we both felt it. That's when I had my synesthesia. And then all of a sudden she just took off, felt energized, and I couldn't even keep up with her. And she like basically sprinted home because she felt so good. So it's a real thing. I've been to the Bell Rock. There's like that mini one on Courthouse Butte. There's the one, you know, there's the one, You're the airport Mesa. And then Boynton is an awesome one. It's on Northwest Sedona. And that's a really cool one.

It's got some cool. It's got the Kachina woman pillar up there. So you'd like that one too, Derek. It's getting up there. It almost feels like a megalithic platform, although it's just sandstone. But it's just got trees, and there's these two pillars on each side.

Just such a peaceful spot. And I actually went this summer, so I mean, still, I wouldn't advise, you know, anybody to really hike during that time. Sedona is like, you know, 10 to 15 degrees cooler than the Phoenix area. But it was still hot as hell. But, you know, it was being up there, it's a super popular spot, but being up there by yourself, like there's nothing better than it. You can just feel the energy. As you know, like in Peru, as Rumi was showing us, you sit inside of some of those megalithic rocks, you feel the energy. Like, you just can't avoid it.

In Machu Picchu, remember like us putting our hands over that stone that Rumi was showing us that it's the same feeling. And whatever it is, I don't know, but it's there for sure. Interesting. Is there anything UFO-related? or orb related that you've seen in around Phoenix or Sedona, what's the craziest thing you've seen? I have some stuff going back as a, even like as a teenager, you know, growing up.

I remember seeing like a green orb just shoot directly into the sky, like off to the north of where I was living. And, you know, that type of thing. And, you know, Phoenix is pretty synonymous with UFO stuff with the Phoenix lights. Some of my buddies growing up had seen that. You know, we were like, It was like in the mid-90s or something. They said they saw it.

That's pretty cool to know people who have seen that directly. Remember Michael, our tour director. Yeah, yeah. So he's a very non-weird guy. He's the opposite of, you know, myself or Rumi, right? Right. Our tour guide. And so Michael is not looking for anything strange.

He's just there to, you know, make sure we have an organized well-oiled machine doer. Right. Does a great job, by the way. Well, yeah, he does. Michael, if you're listening, you're the best. Our first night in Bolivia, we're in Copacabana, this amazing little town on the lake. And, you know, long story short, there's all kinds of UFO and orb legends associated with the lake. I mean, going back to ancient times.

Yeah. So everyone gets in for the night. We were having beautiful sunsets, but this night it was kind of overcast and a little stormy. and Michael and Rumi were out having drinks on the deck because we all had these nice lake views and what do they see but not one two three four five greenish orbs you know just jumping around and Michael was in disbelief not one it was four or five they even got it on video and showed me And, you know, again, it was dark and it's pixelated and it's, you know, quite a ways away. But you could see it was anomalous.

This was like floating, streaking, and disappearing orbs right over the Lake Titicaca. And I talked with our other Bolivian guide who joined us. And he said, yeah. Oh, man, I could tell you so countless stories of stuff I've seen that he shared a story. His mother had seen of these. anomalies all over the lake. And he said it always happens when a storm is about to come or there's light. So very interesting. But back to my story real quick, my craziest siting was about 2015 or 16. I was in Alaska. I was flying a red-eye flight from Anchorage to, no, from Fairbanks to Anchorage.

And so it's the middle of the night. The flight's pretty empty. Everyone's sleeping. We're up there flying high. It's crystal clear night. I can see the northern lights. I'm always wanting to sit by the window because I want to see stuff. I want to be that guy that makes a discovery. This night I did. Awesome. And I'm looking out and I'm thinking, man, that is one bright star. I'm thinking it's light years away. And then I realize it can't be more than a mile away from us, probably closer. And it was, you know, it just looked like a light, a star, but it would, it would do anti-gravity maneuvers about every 15 minutes. It followed our plan the entire time. It shattered us off off the wing. I was looking out the window off towards the wing, you know? Yeah. And it was

off the wing and again, every 15 minutes or so, it danced around. So it wasn't a one-off. This happened for over an hour. I was wide awake losing my mom. going does anybody else see this? Wow. And when our plane, you know, descended to land, it peeled away. And so, you know, my first thought is this, again, is it extraterrestrial? Is this some kind of black budget Russian craft? Were they, you know, because you're right there by Russia. Or is this something from, what's the base up there? And is this something from harp? You know, you hear about the Hart facility in Alaska. Right.

Basically was this reverse engineered tech that they were messing with that was, because it was weird how it was just following our plane. Like, I know the pilots knew that was there. 100%. And in fact, I wanted to ask them. But of course, when we were deba boarding the plane, the pilots, they never came out, which was interesting. Oh, yeah.

The door wasn't open. Yeah. So you see something like that and you just, you can. can and see it, right? Oh, absolutely. That's funny. The Alaska story reminds me of like an it was an unsolved mysteries episode and I've seen it other times as well, but it's like literally, I think it was a, it was like a Japanese freighter aircraft going, bringing like wine. I can't remember which direction, but it had like a football-sized, football field sized like UFO craft same same area um like basically tracking them for and they're like

they're describing this thing just taking up the entire sky in front yeah it's like and it's just interesting too how i mean considering you know you're like tidi caca um story too it's like these things show up around these types of sites as well yeah um or in places like sedona you know yeah but so can we've got like five more minutes i want to ask you before we would jump off here. You did a video about Russia's mysterious unexplained shafts. Hit us with that real quick.

Yeah, yeah. I've got Arthur Jemakov is the guy. And he's like the most famous for exploring this spot and figuring out what the heck is going on. But this one intrigued me.

I think I literally just saw a video on Instagram or something. I'm like, what the heck is this? I've never heard of this, which is typically how these types of things go. But you see some of his footage. It is incredible. It's, you know, the mainstream explanation is it's a natural formation, you know, caused by, you know, whatever geological type of events. But this Arthur Gemikov guy has some incredible footage in comparisons of like even, even like the, I think there's a shot in the

video of like compares it to some Egyptian stuff inside the pyramids and their precision of these blocks. It just makes you wonder like if it is natural or not. And it seems to be something that, you know, was part of something bigger that leads down almost like a event, you know, if you go down the, you know, the non-mainstream route, which is what intrigues me about it. And I just don't see how, if these pictures are real, it's like something that I want to put my hands on because it looks shockingly similar to some of the megaliths we saw in Peru and things like that. I have never seen any geological features like that, but it's not to say that that's not possible.

I mean, I'm not a geologist. I actually do have a mining friend who would probably point out all the things that are wrong with my arm. argument, but, but I mean, it's, you know, it's super giant and the fact that these things are just so precise, too, it's seemingly mortarless and cut. Yeah. So some of those theories are, you know, vents that leading down to a bigger structure, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's like completely been explored, but it is kilometers, you know, long.

It's wild, man. we need a megalithic marvels of Russia tour. No doubt. No doubt. There's probably a hell of a lot up there. That was undiscovered. Oh, man. That'd be wild.

Well, Ken, this has been an insightful conversation. Thanks so much for your time. Any other credentials you want to give as far as social media, where people can follow you, stay up to date with your videos. I know I hit your Instagram, YouTube. Are you anywhere else? Yeah, no, you got it to YouTube and Instagram. I mean, I do put all my stuff.

on Spotify. Okay, great. Has it really taken off yet, but if you're on Spotify, only just look me up and see the request or, you know, Graham, Ken or Ken Graham, I can't remember. But I think if you look up Quest, it should pull it up. So, yeah, everybody makes sure, pull out your phones, follow Ken on YouTube.

It's called Quest, and the handle is at Graham, G-R-A-M-K-E-N. He's also really active on Instagram, fun account to follow at Kenneth Graham, K-E-N-N-E-H-G-R-A-M. And, dude, you are just crushing it with the content, crushing it with the AI thumbnails. Keep it up, man. Thanks, Derek.

I just shout out to you, appreciate you, and you've inspired me and obviously many others as well. So keep doing what you're doing. I'll continue to learn from you. And, yeah, I just appreciate you, man. Yeah, man, thanks for your time. And again, if you happen to go, missing for some reason.

I will share to the world that he was thinking about a forbidden trip into the Grand Canyon to prove to us that the ancient Egyptians were there. Love it. All right, Ken, thanks so much. Yeah, take care.