Megalithic Marvels - Ancient Sites and Strange Lights / Rhys Rogers

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

In this exclusive episode I sit down with explorer, researcher and physiotherapist Rhys Rogers to discuss his travels around the world, namely in Peru where he's had some very strange experiences involving strange lights and ancient sites. Rhys and I connected through Instagram over five years ago and now we finally meet to talk about our passion of ancient history, megaliths, legends of old and these enigmatic anomalies that can be found all over the earth, especially in Peru. Connect with Rhys on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/qiphysio/ Check out Rhys' website https://www.qiphysio.co.uk/ BOOKMARK this page for future tour announcements: https://stargatevoyager.com/tours/

Me and him decided to do a hike. We did a very big hike. We hiked about 10 hours up a mountain. We camped at this sacred lake for a night near Kalka. Had a really nice day, chill by the lake, views all over the Amnese mountains, you know, just pristine nature. We woke up at 3 a.m. in our tiny little tent up top of this mountain, in hours and hours from any village. And our entire tent was illuminated like there was a floodlight above the tent.

And they were moving floodlights moving around us. And we were both absolutely gripped with terror. Stargate Voyager. Well, I am excited to be joined by somebody that I've been following for five plus years on Instagram. Reese Rogers, he's an explorer, men's health expert. He's into physiotherapy, healing martial arts. But again, we connected just over five years ago with, as I was starting my Megalithic Marvel's Instagram account.

That's what I used to be called. now it's Stargate Voyager. We just connected because I'd find some of his photos and I'd post them on my stories and so we'd message each other back. And, Rhyshe, you've been all over the world and you were recently responding to some of my posts regarding our last Peru tour, I believe.

You said, we should get together and talk about some of the crazy stuff I've experienced in Peru. And you mentioned the word Stargates, government demolition of inner earth entrances and UFO interaction. So you've got my attention. So welcome to the show, man. How you doing? Very good. Very good, Derek. Happy to be here. Thank you for the intro. And thank you for your time today.

And you are there in the UK, right? I'm in the UK. Yeah. I'm from Wales, which is west, but I live on the south coast in England. What got you into the megalithic ancient history, almost forbidden history side of this? Well, I think within the words you've just used there, it was the forbidden element of the history. that really caught me about 2011. I started going through what I call an awakening process, I guess. After studying in university, becoming a physiotherapist, I was seeking ways to de-stress from the hospital environment that I was working in

as a young frontline physiotherapist. Through that, I was investigating meditation, and Eastern esoteric art, such as Tai Chi and Chiang, which I still practice now. And along with that came sort of the Egyptian mystery school stuff, things like John Anthony West's work was something I was really drawn to at the time. And from there, I just started to really get into this whole world of the megaliths through the work of John Anthony West and also through Erif von Danikin's book,

The Charity to the Gods. So it was kind of John Anthony West, Eric von Danikin and Graham Hancock, of course who were really instrumental in my early discoveries of this sorts of information. And I began by looking at these places that they were talking about, far-flung places like Peru and Egypt. And then working out what I had close to me that I could go and investigate. And coming from Wales, there's a lot of dormants, a lot of standing stones. And we've got Stonehenge in England, Avery, Stone Circle. recently been to the UK so you've recently visited some of these sites as well.

And another site in the north are below near Manchester. So I started to visit some of these sites in the UK whilst I was building an understanding of what this mystery in this, as you said, forbidden history really was all about. And I just felt a very strong draw to it, even if I wasn't quite sure in the beginning why. Yeah, and you're right there in such an amazing part of the world. part of the world where you have access to visit so many ancient sites that aren't too far away, you know, here in the Seattle area, I've got to jump on a plane to go fly to Peru or Stonehenge, but it's kind of right there in your backyard. So yeah, I was looking back on our Instagram

message thread there. You've been to so many fascinating ancient sites there in the UK, Dolman's, but then you've been to Turkey. you've been to Italy and you've been around some of these really little known megalis in Turkey. You've been to so many fascinating sites and then of course Peru.

So tell us a little bit about some of these megalis that you saw in Turkey and Italy that a lot of people might not know about that are just still mortarless, interlocking, polygonal. Peru was the first place I visited.

So I experienced the kind of the mind-blowing realization of the scale and the precision of these megalithic structures in Peru and I spent four months there the first time I went so I really was quite immersed particularly in the Cusco area which is why when I went to Italy

I'd already done some research about what was going on in Italy I'd stumbled across a documentary on YouTube a couple of years prior to what was a road trip with the lads basically to a wedding in Italy and I managed to hijack the road trip for a day and take us off course to go check out some megalis and we went to Alatri and Norba which you will have you will have come across Alatri and Norba both incredible incredible sites same what I say about these places

in Italy which it appears there are multiple dozens of sites around Italy that don't seemed to be talked about by the Italian government, very much more focused on what the Romans did rather than what was happening before the Roman. They attribute these sites to the Etruscans. So we visited Alatri and Norba, two sites. Alatri seems to have three large, concentric circles of retaining walls with a central acropolis. And the architecture is, I wouldn't say identical to the Peruvian stuff. What I would say is it's the same technology by a different artist, is the way I saw it. It is exactly, as you said,

massive interlocking, mortalist, megalitic blocks, slightly rougher finish, but nevertheless impressive. And although I say the finish is rough, some of these walls, me and my friend when we were at Alatari, looking down the edge of one of the retaining walls for the Acropolis,

and all the blocks are all fitted together, some of them mega ton, some of them maybe half a ton, some of them are smaller, some of them a ton. But it's almost like they were placed and then just cut straight along the edge of like some kind of precision tool. I mean, the laser would be the best thing to do something like that. But to stack these blocks and then straight down the line, you know, perfect corners on the edges of the acropolis.

And if you're watching, if people are watching by video on YouTube, Spotify or wherever, I'm going to have some of these photos that you're referencing of you in front of these. like that massive structure at Norba, you're standing in front of it, is so colossal. Describing it without seeing it won't do justice, it's so massive, you would have to ask yourself, how did men with normal tools do this, right?

That was exactly what, well, that was the question that I'd already had in my head from visiting Peru. The friends that came with me on this trip weren't into this line of study at the time, and these are the questions that they instantly started asking. You know, when we're presented with these sites,

particularly the ones of these polygonal style walls, cyclopean walls, colossal, as you said, it's not until you're there that you realize what it is you're looking at. You can see a picture and go, oh, that's a stone wall. We turned up there, and that gate, it's like the gates, right? The gates at the front of normal that you're talking about was mind-blowing. must be nine meters tall on each side of the gate. But what really blew me about Norba was as we were driving up,

you have to drive up this mountain. I mean, you're going up, switchbacks along the road, very nice road, switchbacks all the way up this mountain. And along the way up, there were polygon of ruins in the side of cliffs every so often, you know, little destroyed parts that you could spot. But the top retaining wall, which is part of what you saw in the picture of me standing in front of, That runs for 2.5 kilometres round the site. And it's on the top of the cliff.

So you've got the sheer cliff face of this mountain. And then this 9 metre, 2.5 kilometre perimeter wall running around the very top of this mountain cliff. It's like the first question you asked was, why bother? Why would someone bother to build a 9 meter megalithic wall on top of a mountain? It's already hundreds of meters above the ground. That was super striking at Norbert area. Yeah, and you mentioned the word cyclopean. Obviously, that comes from the word cyclops.

And I'm always into digging into the ancient legends, right? And so the ancients believed that the megalithic architecture they beheld in their day was constructed by often, they would say, hybrid giant demigods. the myth that is preserved to this day by the term archaeologists themselves use, which is cyclopian, right? And so again, cyclopean architecture, if you're new to what Reese and I are talking about, consists of massive megaton, megalithic blocks, interlocked together without mortar, and they were essentially designed to be earthquake-proof, right?

So they could flex and sway with the earth, which is why they're still standing today. This technology they had to build walls was anti-seismic. And we see it in Peru. We see it in Egypt. But yeah, a lot of people don't know. We see it right there in Italy, in Turkey, in Greece. And again, in Greek mythology, Cyclops, these were the giant one-eyed sons of the gods. They were considered master masons, blacksmiths, metalworkers, craftsmen of this golden age,

of this prediluvian world, the European traditions from what I've gathered, say that Cyclops, they were actually serious artisans who lived under the earth. And again, they were metallurgists. Now, again, did Cyclops actually exist? I don't know. Or was he symbolic of this ancient knowledge, right? This ancient technology. So, so cool that you've got to see some of these places that even I haven't been to. So tell us then a little bit about what you've seen in Turkey at some of the photos I've shared of you at some of these rare sites, little known sites that also are of the mortarless kind of rough cycloping style.

Yeah, Turkey was, there's a point I'll come back to in Italy in a bit and I'll mention it when we talk about Peru. But Turkey was quite a shock, actually. I mean, I went there for a holiday, the holiday wasn't necessarily meant to be about megaliths. I went with my fiancé and we went to enjoy the coast. We went to a place called Bodrum. Bodrum's got a lot going on.

Firstly, the mausoleum of Hylicanhas, which was one of the ancient wonders of the seven, God, I'm going to get this wrong, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world, the Mausoleum of Hylicanasis. There's nothing left of it because it was pulled apart and turned into what you see in the bay of Bodrum in the harbour, which is the Crusader Castle, what is left of the mausoleum is a hole in the ground.

And there are some massive, what looks to me, I'm not a geologist, looks to me like massive granite blocks in there with precision carving, like the sorts of things you'd see at Tewanaku, for instance, or at the Cori Kancha. But the base layer is still there of the mausoleum. So this mausoleum was this massive, apparently tomb for highly canaestous, massive tomb with giant pillars and a roof. There are some ancient, some old pictures of it. We have an idea of what it may have looked like. But the base layer, from what I counted, I counted seven deep.

These are sort of metre square slabs. So one metre by one metre slabs. Probably about six inches thick. Again, look like granite or under site. stacked on top of each other, seven layers deep. With those interlocking, what used to, I think, have like T-shaped metal bars in to link each piece. You've seen those before.

I've seen pictures of them in Cambodia. I've seen the old imprints of them in some places in Peru, Tewanaku as well, from Okonku. They were incredible. This massive seven, you know, seven-pallet fit. foundation layer that was laid to then build this entire structure on top of. And the whole town of Bodrum is you keep your eyes open, is scattered with pieces of megalithic masonry in people's front gardens, rammed into pieces of walls where it's been

repurposed by the Ottoman Empire. That in itself, just the mausoleum. I knew about that before we went and wanted to check it out. It was really interesting. But there's a couple of other spots in Bodrum as well. There's a massive perimeter wall. Bodrum Gate is part of it and that shows very precision. Large, probably almost a ton, megalithic blocks, all quite uniform. So, a style that we see more often in Turkey compared to, say, Peru or Italy, uniform polygon blocks still fit together mortals and massive

forming this gatehouse two gatehouses and along for them to wall what was really interesting cuts from the corners very much like the stuff that you identify in Egypt you know where there's a very very severe cut line on the rock

which looks like it can only have been done with some kind of high-tech machining and this wall runs a long way we found it by accident on a walk to the beach, me and my fiance. It runs a long way around Bodrum, and there is some pure polygon or masonry further along that wall as well, away from the gatehouse.

So those were the two sites within Bodrum that really stood out, and we also went up into the mountains, antique Kentes, I forget now the name in Turkish, ancient ruins, basically, in the hills of old fortifications. It was about five-mile, hike up into the hills and was meant to be a straightforward height back.

It wasn't in the end. We got a bit lost, but that's not part of this story. That site also really, really interesting. There was a temple to Athena. They said it was a temple to Athena on the board, which again was made from the same rectangular precision cut megalithic blocks that we saw down the valley in Bodrum on the coast. And then concentric walls building on a cross.

of far lower quality, still cyclopian in their size, far lower quality walls building up to the central acropolis with a viewpoint that looked out in all directions across the peninsula. You know what it's like in these remote sites where you've got the sound of the insects and the heat and the peace and the quiet, just time to take in the beauty and the tranquility. From what I understand in Turkey, there is a lot, a lot more. I've also visited Istanbul, which is incredible, if you've been to Istanbul or not. In my eyes, it was, you know,

what the Byzantine Empire found and built on top of was something very, very ancient. If you look at the Medusa head in the system basilica, there's two of them. I think one's on its side and one's upside down. Now they're giant. you know, I'm talking, we're talking a meter and a half squared, cubed, carved medusa heads, which they used to play, they're using or have repurposed in Istanbul.

I guess the Byzantines or the Ottomans did this repurposed them to place pillars on top of. Why would you carve a beautiful medusa head and then stick it in a system underground and just use it as a prop to stick a pillar on. It makes zero sense. There must have been an ancient temple or structure there before. And the pillars within the system, if anyone gets a chance to go really, really interesting in the system in Istanbul, the pillars are all different.

Some, I'm sure, were made by the Byzantines, the empire after the fall of ancient Rome. Some almost certainly were repurposed and repurposed to build this structure, right? But there's one that's got these strange eye shapes, almost like teardrops, all over it. And there's a second one of those in one of the museums in Istanbul. And I think these museums have got a lot of interesting stuff. We only went to one and it took hours to get around. So there's plenty more to see there.

But Istanbul, to me, appears to be a city of layers. And at the bottom layer, when you get underground, there is remnants of some trillions. really fantastic megalithic artifacts like this tier drop pillar and like these medusa heads. What you were describing there reminded me of my visit to Alexandria, Egypt, a couple years ago. Most of the ruins you see there are Greek and Roman. Yeah. And it's like graveyard of ruins. But amongst the hundreds and thousands of Greek and Roman ruins, you see much older megalithic prediluvian Egyptian ruins.

you know, giant precision cut boxes with precision drill holes in them, just strewn about like they're one of the others. But if you're trained to see, you know, man, this is far older and superior to the rest of this. There's these pillars all over too in Alexandria. But our tour guide, Muhammad Ibrahim, took us to the most colossal pillar. And I'm blinking on what they call it, the mainstream calls it. And again, the mainstream attributes this to the Romans. But this is the most epic, giant, colossal pillar you've ever seen.

When you see it, you're shocked. And if you're watching on video, you're going to see my footage of this. But this thing, he says, was an ancient megalithic pillar that's been repurposed, you know, recarved on the top. But this thing is so huge. again, you just go, how in the world would this have been raised by normal ancient peoples with primitive tools? But let's get into your visits to Peru. So it sounds like you were there in 2015 and 2017.

And you said, you were there for living there for a couple months? The first time I went, I was there for four months. And the second time I was there for a month. Yeah, it was a long trip. It was an escape from London and I wanted to go on a long trip. I spent the first sort of six weeks surfing, surfing my way down the Peruvian coast with a couple of friends and they were my inspiration to head out there. And after they left, I had ulterior motives which were to go and explore the megalifts

and check out the Sacred Valley and do all this stuff that I've kind of fantasized over and explored via the internet for so many years. years prior. Once the party with them was over, it was like the real fun was starting, right? Well, we went to, for my birthday, we went to Paracas. That was kind of like what I wanted to do on my birthday and it fell in line with the timing as we were heading south and then we went back up. And my idea of going to Paracchus was to get to the museum and see the skulls. And unfortunately, when we got there for the two days that we scheduled to be in Paracchus, it was non-stop sandstorms.

And the museum was shut, everything was shut basically in Paracas. For the couple of days we were there, and we left in a sandstorm in the end. With brandanas around our faces and sunglasses on, and we were hitchhiking out of town. Paracas in Ketua, from what I understand, which we found out,

and were there means rain of sand. And that was very much the experience we had. So I never got to see the Museum of Skulls, which I was quite a sound. about really. But we did make our way up to Lake Titicaa and then all the way around to Kusco. And that's when we all went to Machu Picchu together. That was very, very enlightening and a very, very interesting trip. But I always tell everyone, like, Machu Picchu isn't the reason to go to Peru. I mean, it's one of dozens of amazing sites to check out. It's impressive, it's beautiful,

and you've taken some brilliant footage recently there it's been really nice to see and really what got me chatting to you again recently sort of reliving reliving my times in peru through those videos but it was the other sites oriente tambo pisac chencheros maras morai um kenko saksa yoman and all the stuff all the stuff in the hills above kusko right that you've been filming recently that you can just walk up to that that's not on the tourist trail that no one talks about, I spent weeks wandering around those hills, sitting on those things they call Inca Thrones, right?

And then realizing, well, they're everywhere, so they can't be Inca Thrones. They've got to be something else. Still not sure what I think all that stuff is, all those strange cutouts. I don't know if you've got any ideas or if you've been with any guides that have had more ideas on that stuff that scatters the hills around Costco.

And that's, I got to agree with you, that is my absolute most favorite part of being in the ancient Andes in the Kusko region. As much as I love Machu Picchu in the Thickerd Valley or Soxo-Mond and Kusco, that is not my favorite. My favorite is just getting up into the highlands and exploring where there's no guards, there's no red tape, and you are just hit with megaliths, lore, right? And yeah, the Inca called these Waka's, these, what looks like, you know, the mainstream says these were Inca Thrones. But like you said, these are just everywhere in the most random places, whether it's a cave or just a rock outcropping in the center of the field. It's like they went through with this ancient technology and just sliced it around like cheese. Yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with the Hanan Pacha theory, but it talks about the three

worlds and the Hanan Pach would be the oldest civilization symbolized by the condor who shaped the rock outcroppings in the caves again with laser-like tools and then you have the Urenpacha civilization that came along later and built like the walls of Soxie Waman and then you had the Ukanpach of the third culture this is the Inca who found this stuff even later and just worshipped at it, venerated it, built on top of it. I think there's a lot of credibility to that theory. Yeah, I totally agree with you. I heard a bit about that as well when I was in Peru,

when you get to speak to a few elders and other explorers that have been there, as well as exploring that idea online. Yeah, I had a couple of ideas about those Inca Thrones. For a while, I thought they could have been parts of the quarries for megalithic sites but they don't fit the shape of these other structures they almost look like um these stairwells and things haven't you there derrick and sometimes they're upside down and you think well that's a stair that's a staircase to nothing so they can't be stairs they look like stairs but some of them there's no reason why they could be stairs um

sometimes i think they look like uh you know how like when you get when you buy electrical equipment and it comes packaged in polystyrene and the polystyrene's all cut out to fit the pieces that are inside almost like that as if they were like the the basis for some kind of other mechanical overlays and that through time and history the metal the metal work has gone or whatever was was sat there and fitted in has disappeared you're a bit like something that hold an engine in place. I'm so glad you said that. Because like, yeah, on our last tour, we had, you know, there's always different groupings of people that are lean towards believe in different things. So we had a large group that said, oh, this is obviously just, this wasn't an Inca altar,

necessarily this, although it might have been repurposed as one, this was originally just a quarry where they were taken on blocks. You could see where that looks like it might be possible at some places, but then you look long enough. And the way the stuff is cut out, it's, it seems just too planned to be just in a core extraction point. It's so trapezoidal with stair-like sections and it's so detailed. It does look more like a throne in places than just some core extraction. And I love where you were just stating that it's almost like a super ancient, you know,

like Lego base to a structure that was built on top of it and interlocked, just like the walls do. And then to further that point, one of my favorite things to look into on the last couple tours, like at Pesack and Machu Picchu specifically, you can find inside the trapezoidal entrances. In some places, the mechanism components are still there that even spin. This shows me and proves to me they had, they had technology, they had mechanisms. This was a component. And if you're watching on video, you're going to see what I'm talking about, where it was like a massive gate hinge latched onto this cylinder.

What I'm saying is the cylinders are still in these gates. I saw that video of yours. They even move. That to me is just a smoking gun piece of evidence, right? Well, a latchery in Italy had the same thing. You see the picture of the, there's three doorways in the latry, and was it two gates, two gates, the big gate, the main gate and a smaller gate that's blocked off. And the large main gate that you can walk into, I mean, it's, it's big enough for a giant, clearly. If you can find a picture of the picture of me standing in there, I'm six foot three, you know, one, nine, two centimeters.

And I look like a very small person in that doorway. But if you look to the top left of the doorway, there is. is what used to be something that say something like this would fit straight into. You can see the hole where it's been blown off and where it would use to pivot and where probably the doorway pivoted in and out. You can also see it's potmarked with what looks like, you know, hundreds or thousands of years worth of sieges and things that could have happened there at this ancient Acropolis.

But exactly the same thing I've seen in Italy with these doorways, almost as if there were some kind of giant stone door on a mechanical stone hinge at some point, like what you found in PSAC, one of your most recent videos. Do you have any theories before we get into your strange stories, which, again, we're saving the best here for last? What are your personal theories when it comes to the marshmallow-like nubs that you see on some of the stones, the puffiness of the stones? It looks like they could soften it.

after everything you've seen kind of do you have any theories on that the nubs do you know what I'm quite theoryless on them they're so enigmatic and strange what I what I what I the way I use and visualize the nubs

and rather than trying to create a theory around them I help use them as an identifier um for stuff that appears to be older you know when you see these nubs you go ah this is part of that this is the same as what I've seen in Peru I've seen the nubs in Turkey, I've seen them in Italy, I've seen them in Peru, and I've seen pictures of them in

other places such as Cambodia, Japan, etc. What they are, I don't think therefore tying ropes around to help lower blocks into place. If you wanted that kind of mechanism, you build something far more functional that could complete that task properly. You wouldn't use a little knob. again going back to our modern manufacturing like I talked about the polystyrene with these Inca Thrones maybe spits off spruce

you know the way you get like stuff that you have to break out of spruce and you get the little nubs left over but they they don't seem to serve a purpose and they're very very strange the nubs and I'm glad you brought it up they are something that I look for when I'm at megalitic sites

as almost like a nod to realize that is linked to another site I've seen and this architecture is really starting to show me that it is of a certain caliber and of a certain type. I've been wondering about these nubs, especially specific ones. You see different versions like at the kori konsha up on that upper level, you see precision squared nubs that protrude out of those walls. Yeah. And, you know, in talking with our guides who pretty know the, they know the deeper Inca, Andean legends and culture way better than I do. I'm almost wondering if it wasn't kind of some kind of secret solar language system. Meaning, because so much of everything in Peru is related to the solstice. It's related to the sun, enti, veracocha, sun worship, shadows.

Like the Chicana at the Machu Picchu and Pisac, you know, the sacred symbol. When the solstice hits it, it completes. What we only see is half of it above ground, but when the solstice hits it, the other half, the shadow appears below. So it's a full Chicana. And if you're watching on video, you're going to see what I'm talking about. So I wonder if it's more similar with these nubs. You've just reminded me of the nub-like structures at a latchery. in Italy.

They're phallic. It's the second gate, the smaller gate, which is blocked off. There's three phallic symbols, done in the same style as the nubs, on a really interesting, the angled, megalific lintel above the door. And you'd be able to find this picture very easily. If not, I can send it over to you. Three phalluses, effectively pointing towards each other, again in nub style.

And again, if you're following your theory on them being used for light shows, you know, some landing on the certain directions, I think that would also fit in there. So let's get into some of your wild stories from your time in Peru, in the Sacred Valley, in 2015 and 17. Again, you mentioned Stargates, government demolition of inner-earth entrances and UFO interactions. So I'm going to just let you run with it. Take us into some of the strange experiences you had in Peru. Yeah, well, you, it was your video on Nalpa. Nalpa Inglacia, which is this cave in the Andes.

For any that haven't been there, you have to hike your way up the Sacred Valley from somewhere near Oianti Tambo, off the track, up another valley, and then up the mountainside. And what's very interesting about Nalpa, from what I understand, is it's one of the only veins of that type of blue granite in the area that seems to have been found in this cave and then turned into, To me, what looks like some kind of laser-cut wall, polished beautifully with a doorway cut inside it. You mentioned there's that other gate that you did a video of recently in Peru, out by Puno somewhere by the lake, that red gate. And you mentioned it shimmering and shimmering exactly what is exactly what happened. We were sat in each of the, probably very reckless and silly of us to do. We sat in each of those enclaves in what they call the shrine in front of Nalpa.

And the whole wall lit up with these kind of hieroglyphs and images of people, or there was maybe a couple of people, and it shimmered and glistened in the same way that that shows Stargate does. But that's what happened. That's what happened. It turned into a Stargate in front of our eyes. I don't know if you heard the story I shared the first time I went to this Napa Iglesia cave, which is one of my absolute favorite locations in Olive Prue because of the location, so remote, high up this mountainside in a cave, are these precision-cut laser like this altar or console and this portal, Stargate.

So when I went there the first time, back years ago with Brian Forster, he had an assistant guide who was a shaman from Inka lineage and he held his site to be super sacred. It was one of the craziest experiences I've ever had and it was in the same location you just stated to where we went in the cave,

we're amazed by what we saw. The guide is then this Incan shaman guy is then telling us that the Inca held this to be the most sacred place and that it was the place of getting the key and how you got the key was you would kneel down and put your head in that altar looking piece i think on the solstice he said you know they would get the key in the third eye and that would allow them to then go to the interdimensional doorway that's cut into the wall and traverse and traverse other realms so he's telling us this which totally, you know, sounds very similar to what you experienced in real time.

But then he proceeds to pull out a drum, and he's telling everybody to just meditate and welcome the spirits. And it was peaceful for a few minutes until this guy started screaming bloody murder. When he settled down, he told us that a Puma came through the Stargate. and he either said entered him or came at him and it literally scared him to death. So that to me was such a crazy experience because it showed this parallel between these ancient sites and the supernatural realm. So just as we did this, just as this happened, we sit in there in these, the little enclaves of the altar, me and two other friends.

One's got a flute. and he's playing flute music and we're sitting there, as you say, sort of meditating, enjoying the vibe of the place. And a group come up, the hill, turn up. How unlucky could you be? It was actually very, very lucky. It was a local tour guide and two women from Lima who wanted to come and see the place. So they were Peruvians and they were being shown by a local guide who seemed to know what he was talking about.

We ended up getting basically a free download of information off this guide whilst we were there. I had to find the site on the internet. This was 2017, and there weren't videos of how to get there or anything. I had to go on sort of like Reddit sort of forums, and we worked our way there. We got talking to the guide, and he was really, really interesting, and he was telling us a lot of information about the place, but the thing that struck me the most, and I think you'll find very interesting, and I don't know what story you've been told about the demolished entrance and the demolished shrine.

I don't know if anyone's given you any information about that before. basically been told that it was, there was somebody placed dynamite in that entrance at the beginning, that kind of blew it half off? So from what I learned before I got there was that the Spanish blew it up. That doesn't make sense. The Spanish wouldn't have had dynamite. And when this guy turned up,

you can see the drill holes where it was drilled into and where the dynamite was placed and where it's blown off the top of the shrine. What this guy told us was that he grew up in the area. And in the 80s, the shrine was still, or in the 70s, the shrine was still intact. And that him and his cousins used to come play, but not only was the shrine intact, but the cave went deeper. You know, it's all full of rock fall at the back and he can't go any further. He said none of that rock four was there.

And in the 80s, the government demolished the shrine and the cave or someone official. And the story he told us about when he was a child. was him and his cousin, went to the cave, and at the back of the cave, there was an entrance that went all the way in. And they went in one day when they plucked up enough courage as young teenagers, as you do when you're doing these sort of adventures.

And they went in with torches, and he said they got about 50 meters in, and both the torches stopped working. They panicked out and ran back out. And it was a couple of years after that that what he states was that the government destroyed the site. Contra to the original narrative, but that's the narrative that he told us there that day. What I found interesting about the torch is not working was that at a latrary, when we were at a

latchery in Italy, we were having real issues with cell phones, not just like reception issues, like screens fuzzing out when walking through different parts of the site. and this is something that I've read from other explorers that electronics don't work very well in certain places in these sites and that we get issues with them and I found it very interesting that they were they this yet this local catchable man was right and the story was true that him and his cousin were heading into a tunnel that potentially is a tunnel to inner earth

but at some point, some kind of electromagnetic frequency kicked in that completely could put their torches. I wonder if there's any photo that can be found of it in the 70s or 80s complete, because I would pay to see that. Yeah, me too. This is his story, and it was very believable from him. He seemed like a trustworthy guy, you know, just from the short exchange. that was very, very nice guide. You know, a lot of the guides in the areas have got far more mainstream views on what all these sites are, and he did not. And it was very interesting to hear what he had to say on the topic of Nalpa.

He said there were more doorways like the one that's carved in the side. There were a few more of those, false doors, maybe three in total, which would make sense, when you compare it to other sites. and then a doorway straight in. So you've got like the Nalphal wall with three on the wall and then straight into the mountain, a tunnel. That kind of corroborates what two of my guides were saying when I was there two years ago.

We went up there with our group. And then the group was heading back to the bus because it was getting dark, but I stayed back. And they let me get back up into that kind of rocky cave area and look around a little bit. And they said similar things that a lot of this has been filled in, but there used to be some structures that you could see down below.

And something else they told me that was really fascinating. And again, I've been talking a lot about this when I talk about Peru. You know, the Inca venerated, these elongated skull mummies. And they said that, this is where they would keep their most precious elongated skull mummies was in the back of this cave and they would bring them out during the solstice and set them in the stargate looking section and that that thing and this is what they would do at a lot of these wakas the precision altar looking sites they had placed elongated skull mummies in there and these things would actually

speak to them on the solstice they'd be annamy. which is just crazy to consider, but this is the Inca's own legend. And then did you notice, you know, when you're inside the cave, there's kind of like what looks like an Inca period wall on one side that's really inferior. Yeah.

Well, even before you get in the cave, if you're looking at it to the right, is another what looks like Inca or pre-Inca style wall that's more primitive. But this thing looks like it was built for a three-foot humanoid. Yeah. And so I was asking our guides about this. Like, you know, I was sitting next to it and I looked like a giant. Why is this built for a three foot entity? And they said because these, in their

time, this is what they said, the humanoid elongated skull hybrids or whatever you want to call them, ancients, they were the caretakers of this site and that's where they lived. That was like their guardhouse. Peru, man. That part of the world's got so much, so much magic and mystery. You posted a story of some guys going in tunnels underneath Kusko this week.

Was it yesterday or today? Have you been underneath Kusko? I went in some underground subterranean tunnels, yeah, where we even found human bones and stuff. So that was wild. Were they megalistic in nature at all, or seemed to be more medieval? Well, I guess on the backside of Soxie Waman, there is a tunnel I went in where there was some megalithic shaping inside it.

And kind of like Napa Iglesia of the cave we've been talking about, there's another cave right outside of Kusko. You walk into it and it's just megalithic Hanan-Pocci shaping. But I know there's legends that the Kori Kancher connects downtown Kusko all the way to Soxie Waman with a megalithic tunnel. So I know the legends are there. I haven't necessarily experienced it. I heard a lot of those legends as well when I was there. There was definitely some OGs who'd been living there since the 70s, who were on the trail of these sorts of megalithic, extraterrestrial topics,

and used to talk about the tunnels and the Kusco that you used to be allowed to go into in the 70s, and now they're all blocked off, and they found elongated skulls in them, all these sorts of stories I was hearing when I was there in 2015, that basically the reason that I ended up staying in and around Cusco for so long for basically three months. After a month or so surfing, I just hung out there because it was just full of legend. Whilst we're on these elongated skull mummies sort of extraterrestrial topic, I will tell my last story from Peru, which really just kind of shifted my perspective in general on reality. to do with extraterrestrials.

So I had three experiences whilst there in the mountains, three separate experiences, all within the Sacred Valley. Two in 2015 and one in 2017. The first one was in a hammock in the Sacred Valley, and I'd fallen asleep in the afternoon, I'd woken up and it was nighttime. I'm in Uru-Bamba. You know where Uruvamba is, yeah,

between sort of Pissac in where I had to down above and I'm in Uluba slightly outside maybe a mile out the village at a homestay sleeping in a hammock and I wake up it's pitch black and you know rubbing the sleep out of my eyes and just trying to work out what I'm going to do with myself for the evening probably go in and make a fire and I start thinking why are the stars moving what's going on they're blinking and moving but they're moving like that in strange patterns. And I realized that many of them are doing this. And every so often, they'll flash at each other and move away. This is really ununiform. It's not what you see of satellites. It really is something quite strange.

And at one point, I'd probably watch them for about five minutes. One point watching them, I see one coming down the valley very, very quickly. And it's got little flashing lights on the side of it. And I realized almost straight away, I said, well, that's not. that's not one of these moving stars. That's a human craft. The jet, because it even leaves a contrail behind it. And when that happens,

all these, all these little stars I've been watching move and disappear. And the jet comes through the valley, passes through, disappears. There was actually two jets, one and then one following on. So flying like,

and after about five minutes, all these little stars that were moving came back. Apparently, when they see these anomaly on the radar, they scramble jets. This is what you hear the world over with these sorts of phenomenon. Now, I tried telling people, no one to listen. Oh, you're just seeing satellites. Two weeks later, in the same place, this time with a group of friends, we were having a fire outside.

And I was actually telling the story. And they were like, ah, yeah, whatever. And we looked up. And I said, look, it's happening again. And it was. And there was far less. there were just a couple of these moving stars what i've now come to call light ships my own language for it no one has to call it that doing the same thing and you know what happened a jet came down the valley

whilst we're observing them again this is two weeks later a jet came down the valley and these things dispersed and when the jet had passed some came back um there's a little lots of stories of this in Kusko and in the hills around for the last couple of hundred years. A friend of mine told me that she watched them on Lake Titicaca once. She lives in the Sacred Valley and she was up on Lake Titikaka and she was sitting on the lake and she was watching these things moving up and down. I think she said they might have even been entering the lake. She asked the Campasina next to her a local lady of the country, you know, the long flats

and the big hats like they wear up in Bolivia and in the mountains. And she said, what's that? And the Bolivia woman next to her said, let me put it this way. It's strange when we don't see them. So there's these lights in the sky in that part of the world. Two years later, Derek, I went back. And the friend that I'd also been to Naupor with,

me and him decided to do a hike. We did a very big hike who hiked about 10 hours up a mountain. And we camped at this sacred lake. for a night near Calca. I've heard of a friend that camped there said it was beautiful really nice camping. Let's pack our bags, let's hike, let's go. I had a really nice day, chill by the late, views all over the Amdey mountains, you know, just pristine nature. I saw nobody except a dog. We had a dog that hung out with us for the afternoon and we saw a couple of ponies and we both me and my friend who

at max we woke up at 3 a.m. in our tiny little tent up top of this mountain hours and hours from any village and our entire tent was illuminated like there was a floodlight above the tent and they were moving floodlights moving around us and we were both absolutely gripped with terror so much so that we're both over six foot big men and we couldn't persuade even either one of us to unzip our soup and bags to look out the tent to see what was going on. There was no sound. There was just the lights and the fear. And it lasted for about 20, 25 minutes. And we just lay there in silence, waiting for it to end before falling back asleep. Super remote area at the top of the Andes. You know, we had to hike about 10 hours up the mountain to get there.

We haven't seen a village. The closest village was Calca, which is at the bottom of the mountain. Calca's not far from Qasak. Something was above us. And did you see these before you went to go to sleep in the tent? No, we were in the tent and we woke up. And it was there.

And it was outside. Is it because the lights were that bright that you saw them through the tent? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Our tent was illuminated. Like you had a football stadium floodlights feeling on the tent. Truth to be told, we were two. scared to leave the tent. There was this overwhelming fear within us. I hadn't related it to what I'd

experienced two years before since thinking about it over the years. I wonder if there's a relationship. Yeah, do you think those could have been the same lights that you saw way down below in the valley? Now you're way closer to them and they're much closer? I would say so. I would say that's what it was. Yeah. Whatever was, whatever those lights were was what I was. And I, I don't. I've gone through the whole flying saucer, angel, light being, orbs, you know, all the, all the ideas and more. I couldn't put my finger on any of them, to be honest. I kind of kicked myself that we never looked outside the tent, but at the same time, I'm not sure what would have happened if we did. Neither of us, and we were both well-traveled guys, you know, had lots of experiences, traveled.

traveled all over the world neither of us could leave that tent to have a look we were almost frozen stiff the first time it sounds like you were by yourself second time you were with a group of people and the same thing essentially happened you see moving lights it sounded like

way up in the sky way up in the sky they each one looked like a pinpoint like a star you know looked like a star but moving very I guess almost organic not following, not following any kind of pattern. And then when a real physical airplane jet started coming through with blinking lights,

they all dispersed both times, correct? Yes, exactly, exactly. And when this happened with a group of people the second time, did they believe you? They did believe me. Yeah, they did. They did. We witnessed it again.

Less numbers of these lights, but the same thing happened. What I think is that, you know, it was a real phenomenon and the military saw it to or see it regularly on the radar and I'll scramble to investigate every time. And I think both times I was there when the military were also alerted through radar for whatever was going on in the sky. Scramble jets to investigate. Investigation finds nothing because these things leave before the jets. arrived and come back when the jet's leaked. Personally, that had to be rewarding, though, when you were literally telling them about your

experience the first time, and they're not buying it, and you said, it's happening again. There was some form of real redemption there for sure. Yeah. Do you know what? Like, I've looked up at the sky sort of every time I've been out in the dark since then and sat to see if I can see the same phenomenon, and I've never seen. anything remotely like it. I saw Stalin once. I thought it was happening again. And then, oh no, there's loads of them.

There's old stories. I think it was, I think 77, there was a famous story in Kusko of three lights hovering over the basilica, the central cathedral in Kusko. And the huge portion of the population in Kusko that night saw it. Three lights seemed like a triangle hovering over the cathedral, and apparently they just went and left. And it's something that seems to happen in that area a lot.

And when you marry it with the megalithic sites and the energy, it just really goes to make a very mystical, very enigmatic story, really, the whole picture of what's going on up there in the mountains when we're talking about elongated skull mummies, these Stargate-type structures, these temples built on top of mountains. tops and cities that just defy logic really, don't they? Lights in the sky, along with all the stories of the Apus.

The Apus are like the spirit guardians of mountains and lakes and forests in Peru and what I understand from the Quechua culture, almost like elementals. Yeah, our main guide for our Peru tours, Rumi Allegria, amazing guy. he grew up at Machu Picchu, essentially. His dad was a stone mason stoneworker, which is partly why he's so good with the megalithic theories because he gets that. He was a stoneworker himself.

But he told me his stories growing up there under Machu Picchu of seeing the same lights you're talking about. And like you said, he still sees him to this day, and he'll often post the videos of it on his Instagram and Facebook. Just last month I shared a video of his where you can literally see these lights dancing around the sky.

Anti-gravity maneuvers. No, and the jets were obvious. You know, they were obvious. Because at first I was like, whoa, look how fast that one's moving. And then I looked at it, and it was just so different. And it had these flashing lights, and it left the contrail. And then I heard the sound, the jets. Sorry, I missed that bit.

The jets had an audible sound, you know, came afterwards. You see the jet first. and as the sound pulls its way through the valley, you hear them pass and they disappear. These lights that I experienced, that your friend is experiencing regularly, were soundless, but could create light, could flashlights at each other. Yeah, you know, something else that I should bring up on this topic is the subject of the vericocha's, the three tiers of the vera coaches. So first of all, you know, Veracocha, according to the Inca, was the subject.

supreme creator deity, who a lot of their legend says destroyed evil giants in a flood. But then during the epoch after the great cataclysm that obliterated the old world, the survivors were living in darkness. And this is when the vera cochas arrived. And so again, you've got level one, varicocha like the creator god, and then level two, these varicoches who actually manifested on the earth. according to the Inca's legends, they had fair skin, like white skin, beards, long hair, cloaks, blue eyes. They had staffs.

And the leader, I think, was Contiki, Veracocha. And basically, these entities or whoever they were, according to the legends, went throughout the Andes to the survivors and began civilizing them, teaching them how to build and medicine until they disappeared over the sea. and said they would one day return, right? That's why when the Spanish conquered Cusco, the Inca thought this was the Viracoches arriving, returning with white skin. But then you've got, I should say real quick, you've got the third level,

there's people like you're saying that live there today, people from the good old days, the 60s, who talk about level three of the varicotches, who actually will appear in craft, and that they live under the mountains, and some crazy stuff like that. So that's kind of what's going on. It kind of relates, seems like, maybe a little bit to what you're saying.

So any thoughts on that? I know the stories of the rear-coaches. I agree. I think there's a link. I think something's going on. I think there's high energy there. I think there's high energy in those mountains. I'm an energy practitioner.

I practice Chinese internal martial arts, Shaolin Kung Fu, Chi Gong and Tai Chi, very in tune with what we call Qi in these systems or aliveness or life force. A very simplistic way to look at it is energy. When you practice these art forms, you become in tune to the subtleties of energy shifts, whether it be emotions from people around you, to Wi-Fi. I can often hear Wi-Fi, to the energies of ancient sites, almost like a dousing rod, I guess.

Maybe I would feel that maybe how my body senses. I don't know the science of it completely. and the high Andes have got a very, very, very strong energetic imprint, you know, sense, feeling there. As to these megalitic sites, the world over, like the places that we've talked about in the UK, like in Italy, Norber and Alatari were very, very, very, very energetic for me. I've experienced them very energetically, like places I visited in Java, Gunung Padang. Chandisuku, Prambanan, Borobodol, all these sites that are built from stone, these ancient sites, which is giant crystalline structures, basically. That's what granite is, right?

It is a form of crystal. Have high energy and I wonder whether these, like you say, the third level virocotchers will call them that for want of wanting to really know. I think these third level virocotchers are attracted to that energy. maybe they recharge maybe they charge their ships using the energy of these high mountain tops these granite these massive granite

superstructures of nature right mountain tops these sorts of stories come out of places like Mount Shasta I'm sure there are stories from Washington too where you are I've been to Seattle and up to Mount St. Helens

and that's a place with a certain type of energy also and I wonder whether they're attracted to these, you know, energy centers, these nature's energetic cores, mountains. So you went to college and studied, was it physiology, you said? Physiotherapy, which in the States is physical therapy, but here we also study the respiratory therapy. So physiotherapy is the two professions combined in the UK. So tell us a little bit about where did you go to college and then tell us a little bit more about your passion for physiotherapy and what you call healing martial arts. So I studied in Manchester in the north of England and I've spent the last 15 years practicing my trade as a physiotherapist.

And in the beginning of my physiotherapy is about rehabilitating people or prehabilitating. It's about teaching people how to live their lives, fulfilled, pain-free, particularly if you have sustained an injury or have a long-term disability, then physiotherapists become instrumental in recovery, rehabilitation, and providing you the tools and knowledge to live a fulfilled, sort of pain-free life moving forward, particularly after, say, trauma or chronic disease. and alongside my physiotherapy practice as I was working in front-line few hospitals dealing with people who had car crashes had strokes chest infections you know anything on the list that you may end up in the emergency room for you may well see a physiotherapist to help you deal with the physical elements of that injury or illness and alongside that practice for my own wellness and well-being I was learning Tai Chi and Qigong and seven years or so into that Tai Chi and Qigong journey,

I met a master who taught me that my Tai Chi and my Qigong and my physiotherapy were one of the same, were healing art forms, rehabilitative art forms and sort of since that meeting, his name's Master Titan Lamb from Hong Kong, a very, very interesting man himself. I fused my practices, my profession and my hobby became my sole practice, and I fused what I learned from healing Chinese martial arts, from the movement, from the breathwork, from the meditation with my knowledge of Western science, Western medicine and rehabilitation. And I now teach people how to move, how to breathe, how to develop their own personal daily practices from these ancient systems to help promote vitality and longevity in their lives.

So I set up my business chief physio four years ago and yeah, I'm moving forward with my goal, which is to unite the knowledge of these Eastern movement practices with Western medicine to bring some form of harmony between the Eastern and the Western medicine systems. Like on your Instagram account, you are at a lot of these ancient sites, meditating or practicing, you know, what you do. So let's close with this final question. What is the link? And we've kind of hit on this already with energy. And you mentioned the properties of granite.

Tell me a little bit more about the intersection between healing and energy and these ancient sites that seem to be the common link is energy. I don't know if you've been to Egypt, but all of these ancient temples, like the Valley Temple in Giza, ISIS temple on Phila Island, according to the own dynastic Egyptians' own legends, these were fertility and healing centers. It's like you would pass through it and you would heal your body, that intersection of energy and healing, modern day, and these ancient structures. Yeah, that's, that's, I think, a very, interesting conundrum. I think actually this might be, you know, where we can really start to discover the most about these places. I've heard people like Muhammad Ibrahim and Hugh Newman both talk about sort of the healing properties. Hugh's very, very, very knowledge about sites within,

particularly the UK. And, you know, there's there's a lot of old stories within the culture here, the ancient Celtic, druidic cultures of stone circles, for instance, being used as places to bring seeds, to bring the seeds for the next harvest and they'll be blessed energetically as well as with words and with intention before being before being harvested or still being planted to then turn into a bountiful harvest. Muhammad Ibrahim has taught of similar things. I think it's actually an elder of his that I've watched him speaking. I can't remember the site in Egypt of these sites and you put your heads within these granite structures and there would be sort of an energy. I seem to remember even that he was talking about the water that would run under the plateau

that would create some kind of energetic charge. That's down in Sakara by the Steppe Pyramid. It's literally known as an ancient hospital. It's just a collection of different ruins, but there's this one part where you go through like this maze. and there's this place that's just large enough to stick your head into and when you do you can hear deep rumblings of waters it's a crazy phenomenon and he says you're hearing the water table underneath

exactly what I was talking about I think what I really want to touch on here with regards to energy and with the healing is we know now very much so about the autonomic nervous system and about how we can regulate our emotions and not just our emotions, but therefore our hormones by calming down the breath, by calming down the autonomic nervous system, by accessing our autonomic nervous system. We do that through breathing, through intention,

through gentle movements. There's many, many, many ways to do it. You know, ice baths have become very popular. Certain diets can help certain therapeutic men. methodologies that work around releasing trauma. All these can help us access all economic nervous system and effectively change our vibration, change our hormones, change how we feel. From what I understand and have experienced by visiting these ancient sites and feeling energy,

practicing Chi Gong and Tai Chi at some of these places, if allowed, because you do have to ask, is that it's quite likely that these were places of healing as well. well and that people would come to be healed by the frequencies now maybe the frequencies of the stones of the sites of the alignments can help us access our autonomic nervous system can help us switch off the fight or flight response and switch into rest and restore maybe this is something that these sites were doing they definitely do it from me when i visit these places if they were in a full state of construction and operating properly, then it would be very interesting to record what could happen.

If you could lie, for instance, in one of these sarcophagi and have some kind of healing experience or apply your own human modalities such as breathwork, meditation in these sites to see what could be achieved. Reese, this has been an insightful hangout. Thank you so much for making the time. How can people best follow you? Tell us your Instagram handle and any other ways people are going to follow and connect with you.

Thank you, Derek. Yeah, Instagram handle is Chi Physio. That's QI, as in Chi, Breathwork, Physio. That is the best place to find me. You can also check out my website, www.chefizio.co.com. I teach online classes and teaching the community. And as I said, I'm trying to spread healing through movement and breath and the understanding of these ancient Chinese energy systems mixed with our Western medicine systems and how to combine the two

to create optimal health. So Chi Physio on Instagram, hit me up, send me a message and always open to chatting new and interesting people. That's the best way to find me. It's been really, really interesting too. Derek really enjoyed it, and I'm glad we finally got to speak face-to-face after all these years of sending back and forth conversations and comments about different ancient sites

that we've visited and really, really cool. Keep up the great work, and it was, again, thanks for coming on and sharing your very interesting experiences in Peru and around the world. And again, everybody watching or listening, follow Reese on Instagram. Check out his website. Cool.

Reese, thanks again, man. I hope the rest of this year is epic for you. Thank you, Derek. Equally, brother. Yeah, bless you.