Megalithic Marvels - Ancient Tech, UFOs, Bob Lazar & Island of Giants (best of episode)

Episode Date: July 27, 2025

This 'best-of-episode' features two popular segments from the Megalithic Marvels podcast. In the first segment, I interview researcher and author Timothy Alberino who covers a variety of interesting topics ranging from advanced ancient technology, UFOs and the Bob Lazar story. In part two of this episode I feature a segment from my previous interview with researcher Heather Arnold who shares her fascinating findings from the island of Aruba, otherwise known as the "Island of Giants."

Well, it's great to have author, explore, a filmmaker, Timothy Albarino, back for another episode. And Tim, it seems like, man, you are everywhere these days, giving your analysis on all the UFO, latest UFO news, disclosure news. It really is happening like never before. It seems like, so I want to ask you, do you think you could have timed the release of your book, birthright, any better than you did, not so long ago? Well, it's good to be back with you, Derek. It does seem somewhat providential that I released that book back in 2020 before things really started to heat up with the UFO phenomenon.

Obviously, 2017, we had the Nimitz incident and the New York Times publication and all of that. But that was just the opening cell vote to what we're seeing now. And I'm quite happy that I got out in front of. it and to some extent predicted some of what we're seeing right now in terms of the way that the phenomenon is being presented the context of the phenomenon in that it is being framed as a national security threat and and also things happening outside of uphology in the realm of in the realm of the technocracy and the unfolding of transhumanism and things that sometimes get lost in the fray because we're so focused on the political environment and then also on disclosure and UFOs.

Those two things are really taking up most of the news. And then, of course, the sort of climate, natural disaster type things that are happening all over the world as well. but certainly all of this is unfolding in the manner that I foresaw let's put it that way so far so far yeah I don't think you could have timed it any better if you don't have Timothy's book birthright get it you can get on Amazon or his website timothy alberino.com but what I love about your book Tim is you take people way back to the beginning you know you get into the origins of time

the book of Genesis and the Nephilim, Lost Ancient Technology, and you bring it all the way full circle to today to what you think is happening with this UFO phenomenon, and it is fascinating. So get the book. So I'm really looking forward to asking you about the Bablazar story, because I know you've followed that close, now that we've got to,

we're this far removed with all this disclosure. I want to kind of go back to that. Obviously, I want to ask you about the UFO phenomenon, all this disclosure. I think one of the things you and me and people like us love about magnetic architecture is we believe, you know, there was some form of lost technology employed to construct, right? And so what are your thoughts on the intersection between ancient megalithic tech

and what some might call forbidden tech when it comes to these UFO or UAP crafts? Well, let's begin by acknowledging that we barely understand physics. in the compendium of all there is to understand about the universe, the way the universe works, the mechanics, the physics of the universe. We actually understand very little. We understand enough to make all of the accessories that we have today in modern society, which are mainly taking advantage of electromagnetism. We've made great use of fossil fuels and explosions.

and we've been able to devise combustion engines from this understanding of these explosions that we can create these micro explosions inside of an engine. So we've made some very important and remarkable discoveries as it pertains to physics. But we're just getting started. And so that's the first thing that we need to understand. So when we look at, let's call it alien technology, what we're looking at is a much more comprehensive understanding of the way the universe works, the physics of the universe, a much more comprehensive understanding and play than we currently have. And that may also be the case to some extent when we look back to the past. When we look back in the past, we may be looking at some level of knowledge that was lost, maybe not to the same degree that, and certainly not to the same.

same degree that we're witnessing the UFO phenomenon. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is there are various paths, technological paths that one can take when developing technology. Again, I mentioned electromagnetism. That's one. You can use harness electromagnetism to do certain things. You can take advantage of, as I mentioned, combustion and fossil fuels to do certain things. But those are very particular. say, tributaries along this river of technological development. There are others. We are barely, we are just beginning to understand sonic resonance, for example. We don't even exactly know what gravity is yet, or what creates the force of gravity. So there are all kinds of technological streams that are connected to this river that we have not explored, that maybe the ancients did.

Maybe the ancients stumbled upon some knowledge or were taught some things that allowed them to make some developments that in some regards are more advanced than what we have today in modern society. Now, that's not to say that they would have been more advanced in every regard. That's not to say that they would have had laptops and Lamborghinis. That's not to say that they would have had the Internet. But they might have been able to harness the power of the sun, for example, to create lasers, which I think they could have. Actually, all you need are parabolic lenses to do that, to cut stone.

They might have had a knowledge of chemistry that we've forgotten over time, In other words, a way to submerge large stones in a chemical bath to make them pliable, to make them soft so that they can be molded, or at least to some degree molded and fit together, and then hardened, right? These are technologies that aren't necessarily more advanced than what we have today. They're just different paths. They're just different offshoots of things that we're kind of familiar with, like lasers, using the power of the sun, focusing it into a laser.

You know, there's nothing on the planet, for example. There is no substance on planet Earth that the sun cannot cut through. If you can focus the sun into a concentrated beam, a laser, you can literally cut through anything on Earth. And it doesn't take advanced technology to do that. All it takes is parabolic lenses, as I mentioned. If you can fabricate a parabolic lens that is highly polished out of bronze or copper or gold or silver, then you can harness the power of the sun.

You can weaponize it and you can use it as a cutting tool. That's one thing. That's just one thing. Now, whether the ancients were doing that is anyone's guess. There's also, I mentioned sonic resonance. I'm not sure if that's the, I'm trying to think of the actual technical term, and you probably know it. Acoustic resonance? I'm sorry, acoustic resonance.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Acoustic resonance. We know, for example, we know that you can levitate matter with sound. That's a known fact. In fact, there's all kinds of experiments all over the Internet that you can look at where people are levitating objects of various sizes just through sound waves. So if that can be magnified, and if our understanding of that can be amplified, then you could conceivably be in a situation, let's call it a low-tech situation in which you can harness the power of the human vocal cords to, if not outright, levitate stone, at least to perhaps levitate them enough to make them to, where they're much more maneuverable. Right?

I'm not saying that that's what the ancients did. I'm just saying that that is within the realm of possibility. Now, we don't currently know how that would have been done or could have been done. But that's not to say that it wasn't done. Because the theory is sound that it could be done. That's the point. It could be done. They could have harnessed the sun.

They could have harnessed sound in ways that we are just beginning. to understand now. They could have harnessed the power of the plants, right? The utility of plants that we have not really discovered yet that when you take these plants and you make certain chemical compounds,

they're able to, as I said, soften stone. So are these things more advanced than what we do today? I wouldn't say they were more advanced, but I would say that those are advanced concepts. But yet those are are concepts that do not require a whole lot of other advancements to exist, right? For example,

this technology that we're using right now, the internet, before you can get the internet, you have to have a dozen, at least a dozen other advances in technological advances before you can get to this point, correct? You can't just create the internet without first harnessing electromagnetism. However, that's not the case if you have an understanding of the chemical compositions of these plants and combining them together to create this solution. That's a one-step advancement that would allow you to soften stone. Right? Again, I'm going to go back to the sun.

A parabolic lens, that's a one step. That's just a one-step forward being able to understand that you can harness the sun and then creating that lens to do so. It doesn't require a bunch of other technological developments around it in order for that to exist. And so when you look into the past, if you think in terms of these simple scientific advancements that are very powerful, and they would have required knowledge, right, but they would not have required all of the infrastructure that we have today to create the Internet. They would have been very simple, powerful technologies. So that's kind of the way that I think of

the ancient world. When I think of an advanced civilization, that's what I mean when I say advanced. Now, having said that, let me also say that I subscribe to the notion that the ancients were helped, were aided with some of this knowledge from, let's call them, non-human entities that gave them the knowledge to make some of these advancements, and that these entities, and I would go so far as to say, and their progeny, their hybrid progeny, were indeed in possession of the kind of technology we see on display in the UFO phenomenon. So you have both of those things in play. You would have a priest class, and I think we talked about this last time, you would have a priest class, right, let's call it an extraterrestrial priest class and their hybrid

offspring. Of course, we're talking about the Nephilim here. That would be in possession of advanced technology comparable to what we're dealing with in the UFO phenomenon and the rest of civilization would be probably a bronze age level civilization, but also in possession of knowledge that would allow them to do remarkable things. I think that paints a picture of the anti-deluvian world and gives us at least a framework within we can understand how some of these apparently seemingly

impossible feats were achieved when we look at some of the megalithic structures, and also some other things, not just the megaliths. So that's sort of my general survey of what we call an advanced prehistoric civilization that was destroyed in a cataclysm. That's a great segue into talking about some of this modern or forbidden tech. And again, to me, that's kind of where these two topics collide. talking about technology, whether it's ancient or this forbidden type. So, and again, get Tim's book because he he weaves all these topics together of the ancient pre-Diluvian golden age world to what is happening.

It seems to be happening today with the UFO phenomenon. So I want to get into that now. I know you've followed the Bob Lazar story close, and this is a story I was always intrigued by. and obviously lately we've had these whistleblowers grush and others coming forward about the government collecting non-human craft, reverse engineering them. But way before these guys, Lazar was like one of the first, right? So I would just kind of love to hear any thoughts

now that we're this far removed from when Lazar first came out in the 80s or was at early 90s and broke the story. What are your thoughts, and is his story as relevant today as it ever was? Well, first of all, I'd like to affirm Bob Lazar's story. I believe he absolutely was telling the truth. Absolutely. And I think that Grush's revelations and those of Mr. Graves and Mr. Fravor do indeed affirm that Bob Lazar was telling the truth.

And there's many, many, many reasons why I believe he was telling the truth. And I think all the attempts to debunk his story have fallen flat. and have themselves been debunked. Bob Lazar is a very interesting character in that he came forward with these incredible revelations before the media was ever willing to take the UFO phenomenon seriously. You see, the situation has changed. So when Bob Lazare came out with his allegations, he had no support group. He had no allies in the media except for one man, George Knapp.

He had definitely there was no pathway for a UFO whistleblower in place. That certainly didn't exist. And so he really, he really, coming forward in the way he did, he really exposed himself not only to the potential that he would be killed or disappeared by, let's say, the government slash some of these contractors, defense department contractors. But he also subjected himself to an incredible amount of ridicule in the media. Because again, the media was not at a point where they were even willing to discuss UFOs in any kind of serious manner. It was a joke to the media, again, except for this old-school investigative reporter down in Las Vegas named George Knapp.

And so that was a very different environment back then than what we have today. And yet, Bob's testimony rings truer today than ever. And I think that the details, the intricacies of Lazare's testimony, are something. lost in all of the controversy surrounding his story and all of the debate on whether or not the story is actually true. Well, when you dig into the intricacies of this story and you compare some of the things that are being said and examined with, for example, the work of Leonard Stringfield, who details dozens of crash retrieval operations and talks a little bit about some of the technology that might have been derived from them. And then, of course,

Colonel Corso, and you start to sort of cross-reference these guys, who I would consider credible sources. Colonel Corso was both releasing good information with some mis and disinformation, purposely, mixing it in there to protect himself. Although he did publish a manuscript. I'm trying to remember the name of it. He did actually publish a manuscript in which he just told the truth, but his book had some disinfo in it to protect himself. But everything these guys have said, Colonel Corsel's manuscript, his unpublished manuscript, Bob Lazar's testimony, the work of Leonard Stringfield, and dozens of others, when you strip them of the controversy and you look at the substance, you have the same thing. Essentially, you have the same story. In Bob Lazars' case,

he was working on what he calls a sports model UFO, which was a saucer, not a particularly a particularly large saucer, but a functioning one because many of the crash retrievals that we have are non-functioning. We still harvest components from them where we try and fix them to the degree that we can. But I think it's a rare occasion when we actually get our hands on functioning technology. And in this case, Lizar was working on a functional craft, again, which he does. designated as a sports model because of its sleek design. And Lazar actually goes into quite a few details.

First of all, that the craft was manufactured to accommodate very small people, three to four foot tall people. Well, obviously, we're talking about the gray's hair. Again, which you run across in so many other stories with the gentleman that I've already named. So you're looking at a craft that was manufactured, by and for the grace. And Lazar gets very specific in regard to the physics, which is what I really love about Lizar's story,

because Lazzar himself is a physicist. And he talks about one of the most important components of this whole reverse engineering story, and that is the exotic material, Element 115, that is the power source or the critical component for the reactor. that is powering so many of these craft, if not all of them. I mean, there's some claims that Element 115 is, is the critical factor in every single shape and size of UFO out there.

That's truly alien technology. There's some dispute with that, who can know. But certainly Element 115 is being incorporating to many of the craft. And Element 115 is a piece of exotic matter in that it's not found on planet Earth. So the grays are getting it. elsewhere. They're getting it somewhere else besides planet Earth. Who knows where they're fabricating this stuff. But you can't reproduce it on Earth. We don't have any stable isotopes on Earth. We can produce an unstable isotope of element 115. I believe it's called

Moscavian or Moscavium. I don't remember exactly the name of it on the periodic table, but it's there now. And we can create an unstable isotope that lasts for fractions of a second. But that's it. we cannot condense, we cannot create a stable Element 115 isotope with which we can do anything practical. It's just there one moment and gone the next. So Element 115 is critical to the function of at least some of these craft. And the reason why it's critical is because it has very anomalous gravitational properties. One of the things, according to Lazar, that Element 115 does, is it throws off.

an antiparticle, antimatter. And so we know, because of CERN, for example, we do this all the time at CERN, we can create antimatter. We can't create a whole lot of it, but we can create antimatter particles at CERN. And we know that if you take antimatter and matter, that that is one of the collision, antimatter and matter are always going to collide and annihilate each other.

And that that reaction is the most powerful reaction that we know of, that we can actually create. And I think that's why China's trying to build its atom smasher, which is going to be 10 times the size of the large Hadron Collider in Geneva, which I visited. And I think that what China wants isn't necessarily just the science. China wants the weaponry. China wants to create antimatter bombs. Antimatter bombs are much more efficient than nuclear bombs because you can bomb a city

and then not have residual fallout, the radioactive problem after you detonate a nuclear bomb. With antimatter, you don't have that problem. You just have this incredibly massive explosion that is many times more powerful than an atomic explosion than a nuclear explosion. And so the Element 115 allows for this matter-antimatter reaction to occur within the reactor. And that creates this tremendous amount of energy with which gravity waves can be generated. And this is all according to Lazar. Gravity waves can be generated. And if you can create gravity waves, then you can bend space time.

And so essentially, if you can bend and manipulate the fabric of space, then you can do all, in short, you can do all of the fantastical maneuvering that we see with, with UFOs. It accounts for everything we see. There would be, you would not have the G-force inside of these craft because you would not be operating within the atmosphere. Rather, the atmosphere would be bending around your craft. So you're no longer being affected by the atmosphere. And that's why those of us who've had close encounters with UFOs have noticed, like as myself, have noticed that the craft are unaffected by the atmosphere. My experience with the UFO at close proximity was on a particularly windy day.

And my car was being rocked as it was descending in front of my car. Everybody, I'm sure, is aware of that story by now. And one of the first things I noticed was that this craft was wholly unaffected by the atmosphere, by the wind. Can you just, for people that might not have heard the story, just give us the quick version of it? Okay, very quickly, I was with my brother-in-law. And there's a little bit of backstory that's, I think, important. My brother-in-law, I used to go over his house. He lived down the road for me when I lived in Cleveland, Ohio.

I would go over his house and we would lift weights together in his basement. And oftentimes, my brother's very mechanically minded and is somewhat of an engineer. And oftentimes, he and I would discuss precisely this, Bob Lazar's story. We would discuss the kind of technology that might be an operation with these advanced. aerial with these advanced aerospace vehicles, these UFOs. This was often the topic of our conversation. Again, even specifically Bob Lazar and some of these other stories, Colonel Corsel and so forth.

And so one day we're in his basement working out, probably in the midst of a conversation, revolving around Lazar, something like that. And my brother-in-law wants to go and get some supplements from the GNC storm in the next town over called Brook Park, where I happened to grow up. I grew up in Brook Park, Ohio. And so it was, I don't remember the exact date. It was in February. It was very cold and it was very windy. And it was about, I would say, seven o'clock or so. The store was closing at nineish, I think. And so we were rushing over there to get to the GNC store. Now, the GNC store is located in what's called the Brookh Shopping Complex. I used to ride my bike around there when I was a kid,

very familiar with it. And it was a strip mall. And so, long story short, we're pulling up to the strip mall, probably about 8 o'clock at night. And we noticed that as we're coming to the light before you go into the parking lot, we notice that there's this craft, this thing hovering above the corner store. And we knew, we thought immediately, we thought it must be a Chinook or a Black Hawk helicopter, because that was roughly the size of this object. And it was, and had very bright lights on it. And there's a National Guard base, not far from there. So the first thing that came to our mind was, oh, look, the National Guard is running a drill.

That's literally what we thought. So we rolled down our windows instinctively to listen for the whipping of the blades in the air. Surely we would have heard if it were a helicopter. We heard nothing. And that was our first clue. We sort of looked at each other thinking, this something odd is going on here. So I pulled into the driveway, and I immediately, I pulled in just to the middle of the drive.

I didn't even park in a parking spot. There was hardly anybody in there anyway in this big driveway, this big parking lot, rather. And I just threw the car into park because we were flabbergasted. This object, which apparently, which it became apparent very quickly, that this object was not a helicopter. Didn't look like a helicopter,

and it was certainly not operating like a helicopter, and there were no propellers and no noise. It hovered from over the, it lifted up from where it was, above this corner store and it glided effortlessly through the air right above and a little bit in front of my car so that I could see the entirety of the craft through my windshield. And then it began to descend over my car. And it got about to, I would say, 40 feet.

I could have hit it with rock. It was about 40 feet above and a little bit in front of my car. I could see the whole thing. My brother-in-law could see the whole thing. And we were just gaping at this craft with our jaws, just hitting the floor. I mean, we didn't even, we were, we were awestruck. We didn't even, we couldn't even speak. We were just staring at this thing.

And we got a good long look at it. And it was, it was a delta or diamond-shaped craft, more like a diamond-shaped craft. It was about the size of a large helicopter, so like the size of a large helicopter. so like the size of a Chinook, maybe a little larger. It did not have wings. Rather, it had little rounded stubs. And it had a very particular kind of body armor, like that angular body armor that is reminiscent of the F-117 Nighthawk Stealth Fighter.

But it wasn't that. But it was reminiscent. It was a blackish, greenish. I couldn't tell at night if it was a dark green or a black or some sort of a hue kind of in between. but there were no propellers, there was no propulsion system to speak of, there was no exhaust, and there was no sound. And it was just hovering silently above my car for probably, I would say a good minute,

if not two. And that's a long time to just be staring at something. That is a very long time. I mean, I've had a handful of sightings, but I mean, and I've, And I've heard, you know, so many, you see all the videos that are blurry and far away. But, I mean, this is one of the actually the most fantastical UFO siding story I've heard that it got that close to you where you could hit it with a rock. Yes. And so it was like we were in a daze because I sort of shook myself out of the days and said to my brother-in-law, whose name is Tony, Tony, your phone, your phone.

Because at the time he had a smartphone, I still had a flip phone. And what I'm trying to say to him is take a picture, take a video, get your phone out. And he was also kind of in a daze because he sort of shook his head and like looked around for a second. And then he starts scrambling for his phone. And he reaches for his phone. And of course, as he lifts it, he accidentally drops it. As he's lifting it up, like it hit the dash or something and fell on the floor. And so he's on the floor, you know, bent over scrambling for his phone.

And I'm saying, Tony, get your phone up. Get a picture. And as he's, he finds his phone, he goes to lift it up to take a picture of the craft. just lifts up into the air, turns on its access very, very gently, very smoothly. And remember, my car is shaking back and forth. The wind is so furious at this moment, right? This craft is wholly unaffected by the atmosphere. And it just turns and starts to glide off. And we rushed out of the vehicle, and he lifted up his phone to try and take a picture of video. But by the time he got his phone up in the air, the craft was, had gone over the horizon.

I am excited to be joined by researcher and author of the island of giants, Heather Arnold, today. And we're going to get into talking about some giant lore. And I'm really excited to hear about Heather's journey into this very interesting topic that I'm also very into, as you know. And we're going to talk about the ancient oral traditions of giants on these islands, especially the island of Aruba where she lives. Get into her research. Get into the evidence. I can't wait to ask her about specimens and anything like that she's seen. So Heather, thank you so much for joining me today in Meglithic Marbles.

Oh, Derek, thank you so much for inviting me. I really appreciate it. And it's an honor to be on your show. Is there any even like old newspaper articles you've discovered that like we find in North America, right, of the late 1800s, early 1900s that document giants found at Lovelock Cave, for example. I mean, as you know, you've probably seen hundreds of these, even the New York Times, referencing seven to nine foot, ten foot tall giants. Anything like that in Aruba from their old newspapers? Yes, as a matter of fact, and it's not a Rubin newspaper.

It's the Redding Eagle, which is still in publication in Pennsylvania. It was in 1980. A journalist came to Curacao. And in Curacao, it's most fascinating because there was a gentleman. named Chris Angles. And he was a Dutch man living in Curisau. These islands, by the way, are part of the kingdom of the Netherlands. So this gentleman was living there, and he had read the stories of Vespucci.

Vespucci's letters are very specific about his interactions with the giants, what they look like, where they lived, how they interacted with other people, their weapons, their size, of course, which is why Vespucci came up with calling Aruba, the island of the giants. And so he was convinced there were giants here in Aruba. He got a message from someone here in Aruba of a farmer who was digging in his land and uncovered two massive skulls of humans. One of the skulls actually still had its hand fused to the side of its face. And this is interesting because that's two ways the giants were buried were supine and also in the fetal position with what their hand to their face. So he uncovered these two skulls and he

contacted Chris Angles because he knew that he was interested and Chris sent over a team and they came here to Aruba and they uncovered one of the largest archaic burial grounds in the entire Caribbean. They uncovered as consequential archaeological excavations uncovered over 72 skeletons. They stopped at 72 because there were so many, they didn't even have the manpower to gather all of the remains. And thankfully so. And so he sent over a team and they began to excavate. And they got these two skulls. The rest of the bones, which is a story we often hear, disintegrated upon leaving the earth.

So at least he got the skulls. And he brought the skulls over back to Curacao and tried to get archaeologists and or anthropologists to look at the remains. And sadly, no one would do so. It was so controversial. And this was in the 1970s. Even at that time, it was very controversial. No one wanted to touch it.

No one believed it. He did eventually initiate the help of the former head of the Tropical Museum of Amsterdam. And she came over to Curacao and investigated the skulls. He consequently put out a report called the, quest for the giants. And in that report, it documents her archaeological finds. And her archaeological finds concluded that these were skulls of giants. The hand was the real clincher because she was able to take very good measurements from that hand. And she determined the size of the giants to be at least eight feet tall. And so then Chris wanted to put these skulls in the

tropical museum and she wouldn't allow them to be in the tropical museum. So he built his own museum in Curacao, which is still there. It's called the Curacao Museum. And in 1980, a journalist from the Redding Eagle went down to Curacao and saw the skulls, of course, that were in the basement. And by the skulls, the description was, these were skulls of the giants, a race of giants who lived on the islands, and they were believed to be over eight feet tall. And so this article, you can find this article. I posted it on my social media. And this was the last communication about the skulls that I can find.

I have consequently been trying to repatriate those skulls back here to Aruba as I'm working on starting a new museum here in Aruba that will portion. And the skulls are gone. So the skulls are completely missing. So this article came out and now no one can find the skulls. It's believed maybe they're at Leiden University in the Netherlands. I've talked to the curator there, the head of archaeology there. I talked to the archaeologist here in Aruba, and no one seems to know where the skulls are. So now I've moved up in the ranks to people working in the government.

on behalf of Aruba but in the Netherlands and I'm hopeful to find the skulls because firstly they belong in Aruba and secondly I'd love to have them in the museum where they would be everyone would love to see them it would be a wonderful thing for everybody to see but sadly that's the only article

I found on the giants but it's very definitive and the skulls do exist I have photos of those skulls Okay, wow. So you actually have photos of the skulls mentioned in this 1980 article. Yes. The skulls were not in the article, but I found the, which took me years to find the, the archaeological report done by Chris Engels in 1970 on the skulls, where he had the anthropologists from the tropical museum come over. And she was the one who wrote up the report. It's in French. And fortunately, I speak French. so I was able to read the whole

archaeological report. It took me so long and so much money to get a hold of that report. It's a report that is not easy to find. As a matter of fact, I'm so paranoid. I have one in a safe in the United States

because I'm so paranoid about this study going missing and it has photos of the skulls and all the documentation of the skulls. Sadly, as an aside note, the anthropologists who did the research on these skulls. Her recommendation was to carbon-14 date the skulls.

They had their teeth. So a lot of their information was still in their teeth, which are very large teeth. They were shovel-shaped, which is another interesting component of the giants. And she then got on a plane and Kurosau headed towards Peru to do more research on another topic. and her plane crashed and she died. And that is the last we hear of any type of research being done publicly on the skulls. So it's been a real struggle to find the skulls and to get them back. I am hopeful in my lifetime I will get the skulls back to Aruba.

Wow, she dies on a plane crash. No wonder you're a little bit paranoid about someone. And you had to spend a lot of your own money, it sounds like, to just track down this one document. Just one. That was just one. I mean, I have just spent a fortune over the years. Not only that, of my own money, not only that, but trying to get into these medical libraries. So interestingly, a lot of the archaeological evidence of the giants is found in medical libraries. Even a medical library that wasn't far from my home in New York at Stony Brook University on Long Island. And I had to bribe and pray and beg and please let me in. so I can just take photos of the archaeological reports. And this was a constant thing that I've gone through the years. At this moment, I feel I have every single archaeological report. I believe at this moment, after talking to the archaeologists at the museum here,

the archaeology museum in Aruba, that I have more than they do at this point. So I'm happy about that. But yes, there is a level of paranoia. I try to make multiple copies of every report that I have and keep some in different places. So, God forbid, something happened. So we've got these oral traditions of giants. And it's cool that we've even got this 1970s and 80s research and article about it and photos. Love hearing that.

You've mentioned Vespucci several times. Tell us a little bit more about his writings, his research, anything else he said about the giants that we got to know. Well, you know, the interesting thing with Vespucci and his whole journey was that he was really focused on the research. So Vespucci was documenting a lot of things. He had people on the ships who were, you know, interested in flora and philip. pharmacists. He didn't just think of himself as someone who was getting treasure. He thought of himself as someone who was actually documenting the people of his surroundings and coming back with this information, which he found to be very valuable. And so what he determined was when his ship,

so first he came to, already a relationship had been cemented through Christopher Columbus when the mainland South Americans in what is now present day Venezuela. And so it was through the interaction with Christopher Columbus and the people of South America that he determined that the information about Aruba. I don't know what that information was. I believe some of it had to do with the fact that probably there was gold in Aruba. But more importantly, he also understood that there were giants who lived in Aruba. So this was an interesting component.

So Vespucci, when he got the contract to come over from Christopher Columbus, he overtook that contract and came over on his list to do was to go to Aruba, what is now Aruba. And so he came over with his men, and he's very specific about what just happened. You know, they docked the boat off the coast, they get out of the ship. And in the sand, they see these giant footprints, and they're immediately intrigued. And so they begin to follow the footprints, and they come across these women, and they're giants. There's an older woman who appears to be like a grandmother, a woman who appears to be a mother and two teenage girls. He surmises to be about 15, 16 years old. And so the women beckon the men back to their village.

He noted how they lived. And it's a pretty, what I would consider, traditional, you know, indigenous village of how they built their homes. And they try to communicate, and there's kind of a communication breakdown. And Bespoche just keeps marveling at the size of these women. He can't believe how big they are, including the teenage girls. And he notes to the men, who he brings with him, let's take the two. teenage girls, back to the ship and bring them a souvenir back to Europe, which was sadly a common thing that occurred. And so while they're coming up with this master plan, the 36 men

come back to the camp or their village. And they had apparently been on some hunting trip or something because Vespucci starts talking about not only their huge size, but the huge size of their weapons. He's trying to figure out what they could use them for. He doesn't even think he can lift the weapons. That's how big they are. And the men are a little bit aggressive. And he realizes at that moment, he has to abort mission on taking the two teenage girls and begins to head back to their ship and tells all his fellow peers, you know, let's go back to the ship. So they're going back through the sand and right behind them are the giants following. These men are following all the time. And he notes in his letters, if they were kneeling, they would still be taller than me standing.

I have found documentation that Vespucci was almost six feet tall because another common thing that people like to say, oh, well, the Europeans of that time were much shorter. And that's not the case with Vesbucci. a rather tall person. So they are going back to the ship and Vespucci documents this. It's called the letters to the new world of the new world. It's a book that anyone can get. It's in most libraries. So he's going back to the ship and the giants are still coming into the water. So now he's freaking out because these giants are so tall. So the height of the water is not affecting them in any way. So he makes it back to the ship and the giants are there and then they start shooting arrows at the men. and the men get scared

and Vesuichi orders them to shoot off a cannon just to scare the giants which it's quite successful and he ends the whole notation on this interaction with that he thought that day he was going to die.

It was one of the scariest moments and mind you he had just left an island off the coast of Venezuela further east of where I am now in Aruba where he saw a human on a spitfire being roasted and eaten. So he was actually more afraid of the giants, interestingly,

than of cannibals, which was quite fascinating. And then he finally says at the end of his documentation, I actually thought I was going to die that day, and I named the islands, the islands of the giants because of the large statured people who live there. And that was the name that stuck with the island for some time. You had a post recently about some petroglyphs I've seen and equinox alignments. Tell us a little bit about that and do you think this was any of this stuff made or crafted by these giants?

So there are extensive megaliths on the island of Aruba. Of all the islands, Aruba probably has the most, again, because of the climate here in Aruba, it's not very conducive to farming. It's quite frankly a desert island. So a lot of the land is exactly how it was very, very long ago. Whereas in Curacao, more extensively, most extensively, and Bonner to a certain degree, there was more farming, plantations, et cetera. So things have been moved or buried. But here in Aruba, there are megaliths.

So through my research and through meeting the, people here who have pointed me in the right direction, invited me to their homes, to private lands. I've uncovered 13 balanced stones. And these are massive, massive stones. Bigger than even if people are familiar with North Salem, New York, there's the balanced stone. And that's, I believe, I think it's a 60-ton balanced stone. These are even, these are two, three times a size. they're always oriented in a certain direction. And I've been mapping where they're pointing, their latitude and longitude, what direction they're facing. And through it, I have mapped them.

And the map is quite intriguing. So the petroglyph sites, and Aruba has extensive petroglyphs, probably one of the most petroglyphs of any of the Caribbean islands. and the megalists all align. So most of the petroglyphs go northwest to southeast, in parallel lines that intersect the island. And the megaliths, the balance stones in particular, they also follow those same lines. I've often thought maybe it's following fault lines,

and I have seen a fault line map, but there's no real connection. But also they form, in some cases, a very intriguing component of what the giants. And I know that's intriguing because this occurred also in their burials, that they are obsessed with isosceles triangles. So oftentimes these megalithic sites will form isosceles triangles. And I connect these megalites to the giants because their burials were also done in the shape of isosceles triangles. And this is noted in the archaeological report. So, for example, the burials, there will be a giant at each of the angles of the triangle and then average

statured people making up the lines that connect the angles of the triangle. And that's another interesting note. So at the time the giants were here in Aruba, they were also with average statured people. As a matter of fact, some of the average statured people had strange skull deformation as well. Not the skull deformation that the giants had, which were elongated skulls. But they had like this bulbous, like skulls, like these two bumps at the top. And this is, sorry, again noted in the archaeological record. So the Assasili's triangles comes up a lot here in the megalith sites and in the burials. Also, I determined that there are three sites that are what I would consider, and I'm sure we're considered, sacred, very sacred sites to the giants. One of them is a cave system called Kanesito Cave. It's in this tremendous monolith of limestone.

And then there are two other places. One is called Kasabari Rock Formation, which is this giant mound of stones, and then Io Rock Formation. All three sites have petroglyphs. as well. And if you align them, they form a perfect isosceles triangle. And the statistical analysis of this happening naturally is 0.0001%. So there is this connection between the giants and isosceles triangles and the giants and the megalites. So because the isosceles triangles spanned both of these instances, I believe the giants did, in fact, make the do these megaliths. There's no other way for an average statured person to move these stones.

I don't know if there was some special component or something they knew how to do, levitating the stone, reversing gravity, making zero gravity. I don't quite know that component and not sure if I ever will, but they definitely were moving stones and positioning them in certain ways. For example, the balanced stones are facing another site. So for for some of the stones, they'll be facing a petroglyph panel. And they're always pointed. All these balanced stones are pointing. They'll be pointing to a cave. They'll be pointing to a burial. And so these were deliberate megaliths. They weren't just put somewhere to say, oh, this is our town. A lot of people say, oh, they did this so that people would know that this is where the town was,

or if they're looking, they can see, oh, yeah, okay, there's the rock that I know I have to walk that way. I don't see why anyone would go to this much effort for something so benign. And furthermore, a lot of these sites line up with astronomical celestial events. So the solstices and the equinox are, again, as is a global phenomenon, documented very well. here that I've discovered. No one has even looked at these connections between what's going on in the sky and what's going on here in the ground. And I found probably one of my most fascinating finds was the winter solstice sunrise that peeks through a balanced stone that's almost like a dolman, big square stone on top with the other stones bracing it at the bottom. And the sun at the winter

solstice and in the ancients, the giants, they accounted for the hills in the background. So the way that they built this was that the sun at sunrise has to clear these hills, even though the sun has risen in other parts of the island, it has to clear the hills in order for the sun to shine through. And they built the megalis specifically so that they were high enough that through the center of these balance stones, the sun would come through because they, accounted for it having to be a little later in time due to the hills. And that, to me, was the most fascinating. And adjacent to it are two equinox markers that look like reptiles, almost, almost snakes. And that's another common theme, snakes, frogs, here in turtles. And this,

again, is another global phenomenon that you'll find. And next to it are these two heads. And in between on the equinox, the sun comes right through these two heads that are adjacent to this site. And this is all at Iowa Rockland region. It's a public place. Anyone can go. It's open to the public. It's protected by the government. Thank goodness.

And these are some of the sites that I've found. And of course, because I'm in Aruba now, I can do more of this research. And I used to have to write everything down and hope that my schedule would permit me to be here at those certain times. And thankfully, now I can be here at all the. those times and that's the research I'm doing. So through this research, I found equinox markers and winter solstice and summer solstice markers as well. Wow. So you said something I got to go back to. I think you said really quick in passing that your research has found that these giants, their skulls were elongated. Yes. Please talk more about that. Yes. So the giants had elongated skulls.

So this elongation was different from what your audience might think of the paracus skulls. I'm sure everyone's familiar with Brian Forrester's work, where the skulls go up. The skulls here go up and then back. So the elongation is to the back. But the anatomy of the giant accommodates for this, this weight, this additional weight of the brain going towards the back of the skull. Also, the skulls were bigger, so the brain capacity was bigger. So where the neck intersects into the skull accommodates the weight of the skull being in the back. Also, where the ears are is different, where the eyes are different than modern humans,

and also where the jaw connects because all of this is to accommodate this skull elongation. Now, this is all in the archaeological record about the skulling elongation. I didn't know about this until I was reading the archaeological record. And consequently, of course, they tried to find evidence of headbinding, of headboards, of cradle binding, of this being artificial. This was a real quest from them to try to find evidence because they didn't want to accept that this was a genetic component of the giants. And consequently, they had to come to that conclusion because there's been no evidence of artificial cranial deformation. And the archaeologists have admitted that this was a genetic component of the giants. So they had cranial elongation.

Wow. The academics actually admitted that. That's pretty wild. Yes. And so it sounds like you're saying even the ancient native population, not the giant's were emulating the skull elongation, possibly themselves? Did you say they kind of had bumps on their? Yeah, it's believed that they were totally different people.

So, which is very odd. I don't know. They don't know. So they're very, for example, in this cave that's right across from my house, it's called Kaneshito Cave. That's where they found a large portion of these bulbous heart-shaped skull people. So the burial that was in this cave, for example, the giant is in a supine position in the center. And then out like spokes of a wheel are the average statured people with these bulbous skulls,

another cranial deformation that is acknowledged in the archaeological record. At first, they thought it was the weight of the sand. And on top of the, particularly, well, really, on top of the giant in the center was a huge, huge slab of rectangular limestone. So they thought the weight of the limestone might have shifted the skulls. But once I found that it was occurring in multiple skeletal remains and they realized that, no, quite frankly, this was something that was particular to the people that were buried. And so there was no other research done on those people, on those skulls or how the skulls got that way.

The fact is they never found any instances of, of what you would find during intentional deformation. So it's presumed that it was another natural component of these people who no one knows where they came from. They were clearly archaic. They don't pop up again in the record. And so it's very strange. Now, I know that in South America, there have been skeletory means of people with these boldest skulls found in South America, Colombia, Peru, even in Florida, actually in the United States, they have been found.

But I don't have any more research on it from the archaeological record. In your research, have you found anything about any of these giant skeletons possessing six fingers or extra digits? Has there been any humanoid like petroglyphs that may represent these strange entities? And three, what was my other one? Was there any drawings you've ever come across from Visci or old? explores that maybe drew something they saw? So there are no evidence in the archaeological record of six fingers, six toes, double

rows of teeth. There are petroglyphs that show, and the archaeologists note them as handprints, and they note them as four-fingered handprints, three-fingered handprints. There are no six-fingered handprints. I've looked as, I wanted to find them, of course, but sadly, they're not here. I've also looked in Bonner. I've been in so many of the caves in Bonner. There's actually a cave called the Cave of Hands, and the entire cave is just coated in these okra-colored handprints all over the cave, but all have five fingers. So sadly, no, there

haven't been. Now, in terms of seeing a giant petroglyph, there's very strange petroglyphs, one of which is a very large petroglyph of what appears to me. me to be a woman. It's her profile of her body. She appears to have breasts and she also appears to be pregnant. And I have found evidence that the giants were potentially a matriarchal society, which is also something that we do see globally. And so this petroglyph is very strange because it's so large. If you go to the National Park and you ask the park rangers, oh, can we see this Petrocliffe? They'll tell you, oh, no, no, it's impossible to get to. It's. so hard you'll never get to. They don't even want to show you. Thankfully, I know people who can

get me there. You have to really bushwhack your way over there. And so this is a very odd petroglyph that the archaeologist noted her, and I call her her because I do believe she's female, as being called that, which takes the sun from the sky. So I don't know much more about that. I am and consequentially going to research whether or not this is aligned with some sort of celestial event. And so she is really, to me, one of the more intriguing ones. There's also a cave system that a lot of people don't know about, including the locals, that has huge giant petroglyphs of humanoid figures that almost look like Bigfoot.

And this is another component that I'm researching currently. It's very difficult to get to cave. The petroglyphs look like they're pristine because no one even knows about this place. And so that could be another connection to the giants. These were all believed to be archaic petroglyph sites. There are archaic glyph sites and there are more modern petroglyph sites. By more modern, I'm saying like 500 years. But these sites are thousands of years old.

So those two sites are the most intriguing about what the giants might have looked. look like or even the work that the giants did by their own hands in painting these these drawings on the stone. And finally, your last question was about, is there any artistic renditions? So there is a picture and I can't, the artist's name escapes me. Sadly, it was done in the 1500s. It was an artist's rendition of Vespucci first coming to Aruba. I have it on my Facebook page, the Islands of the Giants. I have a picture of this, a picture of the picture. And it was a drawing made of when they released in the newspaper about Vespucci's letters to the New World. This was actually one of the most, the people were most fascinated with Vespucci's stories about Aruba. And an artist

did draw with Vespucci's guidance, a picture of Vespucci's. and his men coming up to these women and the 36 men are in the background and the oceans in the background. His ship is in the background. And he is this little, and think about the ego of Vespucci, right? This was not a man who's going to cower in the back or be some sort of a simp. This is a very strong man. I mean, he went across the ocean with, you know, no GPS, hardcore. And he allowed this drawing to occur. He is a diminutive person and his men are in the back. and then these giant people are in front of him and it looks like an amicable exchange

and this was the precursor to what would then devolve into a very scary nightmare for him. So yes, that is the only that I could find artist's rendition of Vespucci and his encounter.