Megalithic Marvels - Babel, Nephilim Bloodlines & Alien Disclosure | Gary Wayne

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

In this exclusive Megalithic Marvels interview, I sit down with historian and author of the "Genesis 6 Conspiracy" series - Gary Wayne. Renown for his deep knowledge & research into Biblical history, mythology & secret societies - what Gary's 40 years of research has uncovered will amaze you. From Mt Hermon where the legendary "Watchers" descended as mentioned in the Book of Enoch, to the mysterious Tower of Babel as mentioned in Genesis, to the ancient DNA and bloodlines of the Nephilim, to the modern day UFO/ alien disclosure - this is a conversation that you will want to buckle up for...WATCH MY PREVIOUS INTERVIEW WITH GARYGET GARY'S BOOKS HEREJOIN ME ON A TOUR HERE

Well, I am honored to be joined again by Gary Wayne, author of the Genesis 6 conspiracy books, Part 1 and 2. And Gary, if you don't know, he is renowned for his knowledge, his expertise in biblical history, prophecy, mythology, and secret societies. And really what Gary has uncovered in his 40-plus years of research is going to amaze you. And so in this episode, we're going to talk about some, crazy things. We're going to get into all things.

The Nephilim, the giants, their bloodlines that lead us to the ruling elite of today. I want to ask them about Mount Hermon, the Tower of Babel, and even possibly UFOs, an alien disclosure, if we have time. So, Gary,

thank you so much for coming back and joining me today. Yeah, so happy to be here. Thank you for inviting me back. really looking forward to the discussion today and hoping that we kind of what I look at is what's the purpose for doing a show

and for me it's always about how much information can we get out to people and how can we help them better understand the world we live in so that they can rationalize, understand and understand particularly why they believe what they believe.

I think we can do to connect those dots for them. That's what we're here to do. So that's why we tend to get into you and I into topics that maybe other people don't get into, or quite as deep. And at the end of the show, hopefully we've provided some more information and maybe raised a little more curiosity. Well said. Yeah, every episode I do with you is wildly popular. The last one we did just a couple months ago, incredibly popular on YouTube and Spotify. where we were talking about Nephilim Resurrection Chambers among many other topics.

So I'll link that episode in the show notes of this one. And I recommend everybody go back and watch that interview too. It'll blow your mind. And I want to tell everyone to go visit Genesis6 Conspiracy.com. That's Genesis with the number six conspiracy.com. that's where you can learn more about Gary. You can find ways to connect with him on social media. He's got a great Facebook group.

But that's where his books are. Genesis 6 Conspiracy 1 and 2. And his new book, which is a fiction book called the Supremo conspiracy. Right, Gary? O-P-R-I-M-O. And that's a Latin word to that means crush, overwhelm, suppress. And it's kind of a term that's associated. with the Seventh Beast Empire of End Time Prophecy,

the one that comes in the end time. And the subtitle is AIs Covenant with Babylon. And so it's a fiction novel that's designed to portray my research both in prehistory and how it connects into end time prophecy. And my co-author is Bill Carmichael, and his pet idea was, can we do something? that's going to expose how AI is going to influence the end time. And, of course, it does.

But the trick is how do you get it related to the end time religion with the Antichrist? And how does it all sort of come about? So we use my end-time meschatology for the book. And we create very interesting bloodlines for each of the characters, secret societies that they're part of. And what they're trying to do. and of course there's rival factions and all sorts of intrigue that sort of goes along with it. So what we try and do is take some very complex information, put it into a very exciting intrigue story,

but also with this understanding that there's truth in this book in terms of where we came from and where we're going. Very exciting. Again, everybody go to Genesis6 Conspiracy.com and get it. Gary's books, including his new one. There it is, the O'Primo conspiracy. Yeah, so if those eyes look haunting, they're meant to, and they're kind of orange-like. So in the book we have something called the flame, the false flame and the true flame. And so the flame biblically represents the Holy Spirit and Pentecost. And so that's the reflection of the flame in her eyes as she's looking at the flame.

And then the other side also has a flame and a religion and a knowledge cult. So we look at that sort of rivalry and tension as how the end time plays out. Well, I'm excited. Time is going to fly by. So I'm going to try to say as little as possible because you're like an encyclopedia. So as we've detailed on numerous episodes before this and the last one a few months ago, as you write in your books, we've fully covered the Nephilim, these hybrid demigods that were ruling the earth in the prehistoric past. They were the progeny of these fallen

angels according to the Bible in the book of Enoch, these fallen angels breeding with earthwomen, creating this race of hybrid giants. But they were the progeny of these fallen angels, according to the Bible in the book of enoch. weren't just giants, it was like this ancient Narnian world full of chimeras and creatures. And again, we might get into some of us, but I want to ask you about Mount Hermon. Because what Genesis 6'4 says, you know, almost in passing about these Nephlehem giants, the book of Enoch is breaking down in great detail, telling us that 200 of these watcher class angels descended on Mount Hermon. You talk about it so much in your book.

What is it about Mount Hermon? Why did they descend there? And is it like a portal, a Stargate? So talk to us a little bit about Mount Hermon. And do you think it's still active today? Yeah, and keep in mind that the UN has control over most of Mount Hermon and has their largest project and site there. And it's also on the 33rd degree parallel.

So interesting sort of things that we should keep in mind that if nothing is new under the sun and what was will be again, then understand that Mount Herman was very important both before the flood, after the flood, and we'll be in the end time, and it will be like the days of Noah. And so when we look at Mount Herman, it is a very famous mountain out of prehistory. We would know it in the Sumerian tradition as Nipur, and where the assembly of the the Nipur where the ring lords were crowned and given authority to rule. And it's also known as Mount Saffon.

And most people who are familiar with archaeology and history in the Euguritic texts are going to say, well, no, the scientists have placed that moreover towards tier and along the ocean. Well, as we get into it, we're going to find out that this is a location very important to Beal, who's the chief god of the Euguritic text and is also the chief god of the Balim Council that's talked about in the Bible. Mount Hermon is called the Mountain of the North biblically. That's the Hebrew word saffon.

And so saffon in Hebrew, Hebrew is a derivative language out of the original Semitic language. So you can use a lot of the same words in the Eugoretic text in the original. Semitic because they're identical to what the Hebrew would be. And if you take it back to the oldest tradition, there's no vowels, there's no H's behind P's and things like that. So you would get Raphaim show up as RPM, for example, or Nephilim, although it's not

in there, it would be NPL in the original Semitic. And it's called Mount Saffon, where the Balim Council is located. And so Saffon in original Semitic, also means north. So now we have a mountain that's associated in three main cultures, and Bael is a god that is the god of north, let's call it the northwestern part of the covenant land, the Sedonians' Tier.

Uyghurit would be in the middle between Mount Hermon and Tear. And Uyghurit would be the city of King Ogh-Arafayim. And as you take that back to its original, Semitic in Hebrew. That's going to be Kariath as in city, and Ugg as then King Og, and Arit as in Terrible One. And this is the city of Og, the terrible one. And he also rules over cities in Mount Hermann. I won't get into the details of how that happens as he moves over from Yugarit to Ashteroth and Edry. But those are two cities mentioned in the Uy. Euguritic Tex as well.

And very important cities of Beal and that, as it would be for offspring gods after the flood and parent gods before the flood. So just to make a bit of a case, you could do a whole show on the connections of Mount Hermon to other cultures. But this is also the location where the Uyghuritic Tex has the assembly of the Dutano, the assembly of the giants. So the same as Nipur. Just as in the Sumerian traditions, you have the Cedar Forest.

That's the Cedar Forest of Mount Hermon. So as we look at Mount Hermon, that's not its original name, as it's known as Safon, both in Hebrew as the Mountain of the North and in the Semitic for the Euritic text. In fact, biblically, we get several other names for it. We get Syriot. We get Sheneer. and we get C-O-N, S-I-O-N.

A lot of people will use as a double entendre in the Secret Societies for Zion. Two different Hebrew words, but it was originally at one time also called Mount Zion. And we get all of those different names biblically for this Mount Hermon. So its name was changed, and that's because it's the mountain where the 200 Watchers, as we talked about, or as you had mentioned, swore their oath to create the giants and carry it out to the end, and they call that harem anathema. So if harem sounds a lot, sounds similar to Herman, you would be correct. It's just a different sort of transliteration.

And in Hebrew and Semitic, you've got a few words that all mean curse and cursed, and they're haram, C-H-A-R-A-M-C-H-E-R. E-M-C-H-E-R. There's like four different versions of the vowels that were inserted down the road for nuances to the same name. But it is the mountain of the curse, the curse of the oath that the angels took. So now you have this very important mountain that was renamed and is known quite well in all cultures around there and thought to be perhaps one of the seven holy mountains or maybe the eighth. And so if it's the eighth, it is the most holiest mountain.

And then you had seven other holy mountains of polytheism and other civilizations around the world, both before and after the flood. This is the land of the covenant that Eden was set up in and was gifted to Abraham. So from the Nile River to the Euphrates River, from the Indian Ocean, down by the Persian Gulf Sea of Akaba. Gulf of Hormuz, so people will probably maybe relate to that geography a little bit more, and to Mount Hermon in the north. And so, again, it's not part of, it's not just Mount Hermann, it's a larger, a property and a location,

part of a larger, important location sort of biblically and in other nations, because all the nations were divided up amongst the gods who rolled over the Council of the Gods, which was located at Mount Hermon. And so at Mount Hermon, you have very interesting temples. You have Roman temples there. You have Greek temples there. You have ancient temples there. And the Greek temple, the most famous one, is the Pan Temple,

for the satyr, satir god, goat god, pan. And right beside it, and I don't think is any sort of coincidence. And I don't think there's any coincidence that that white-domed, of Pan Temple is disconnected from domed temples around the world and domed facilities for governments like the White House. I think that's all sort of archaeology that's reflecting this ancient hidden history. And right beside the Pan Temple is the location where Beal would come from the other world, Hades or She-Ole, Argata, Shambala, whatever you want to call the other world

and the different locations in it. He would come through there either every day or in seasons, depending on how you want to translate that out of the original Semitic, to inspect his physical realm from his home where the gods lived in Hades and Shaol.

And that is called the Gateway to Hades. So all of a sudden, now you're talking about not just a religious location, a location where giants were created, a place where the invisible ones who rule this world, the location where

those who are going to rule as visible ones for the invisible fallen angels received their divine right authority are granted and would meet at. And it is also reflecting a technology as a technology as a portal to go to another dimension. So Mount Herman is this absolute

centerpiece of intrigue that we ignore at our peril and we ignore its history at its peril and I would expect it to become more important as we get closer to the end time. Reminder to subscribe to my podcast

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controls parts of it. Like you said, there's all these different era of ancient structures around it, one of which is known as Nimrod's fortress, which most people chalk up to being this medieval-type structure. But if you look at, I've found photos of the base of it, which to me look me megalithic, like they predate the medieval stuff on top. And of course, it's named to Nimrod. who we might talk about is crazy.

So Mount Hermon. But you know as well as I do, but maybe everybody who listens aren't aware of it, is that where temples were built, where cities were built, where important sites were built, were built on older worship sites. And so that is a common MO of what's done throughout history.

So if you go forward to, let's say, like the Gothic cathedrals in Europe that were built in the Middle Ages, they were built on all ancient druidic or Celtic or Golic, because they're all the same branches of the same people in religion, religious sites that went back into ancient prehistory. So if you're going to build a site on Mount Hermann, it's probably was used before, and you're probably building upon that, just as Jericho is thought to be 10,000 years old, but it's been built on many times.

This is common. So, yes, you should expect to find ancient megalithic support underneath to reflect that, and whether or not that is actually Mount Eridu, as it's known in the Sumerian, where Babel was built, or Shinar, or all the different locations or not, it was certainly recognized as a place that Nimrod was associated with for some inexplicable reason

because Sheena is Sumers, transliterated Sumer for Biblically, and that would put it east of the Euphrates River. So odd location for it. Another site that's really crazy on Mount Herman is at the bottom on the Golan Heights, as you have Gilgal Raphaim, Wheel of the Giants, or Wheel of the Spirits. And this has a hundred or more what they call domins located in the circular structure, religious structure, which has a look at kind of a relationship with how Atlantis is depicted as a ring city type of thing. Because the wheel and the rings were very, very important to ancient polytheism, just as these domans were, which are portals.

So again, we're getting the same sort of ancient religion, technology, knowledge, and interdimensional travel that was done by the giants and done by the gods and done seemingly and perhaps more than other locations at Mount Hermon based on its infamy, based on what we know about the cave of Hades, based on what we know. as what Gilgal Raphaim has in there. And that in the Nimrod Babel story, the Akkadian version of it has Babel, not as confusion of languages, but has Babel as Babelu, transliteration of E.L.U. Transliteration of E.L.

for Hebrew and Semitic for an angel or a god. And Babel as a portal or a stargate. So all of a sudden now, if this is connecting Nimrod somehow even more so to Mount Herman, which I'm not convinced it was located at, but there's certainly a tradition that is being used there with Nimrod. He was likely trying to build with that location, a technology to go interdimensional.

And again, these ancient sites would have been built on what we would understand today is laylines or power grids that they would have been able to tap into. to sort of use as a power source for this angelic technology they're trying to reintroduce. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick. BetMDM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

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Yeah, the ancients who built all the megalithic structures, whether we're talking about the Great Pyramids, Stonehenge, many of these megalithic sites in Peru these ancients were masters of the sacred sciences of geometry every site was picked because of its lay lines its energy grids

and these were way more than just ceremonial spots as the mainstream archaeology wants us to believe these were pieces of technology and when you visit them today you can still tap into at times you can feel the energy leaking out of them. So that's interesting what you say about Nimrod and the Tower of Babel. Gary, I'd love to ask you on the Tower of Babel real quick, before we get into the bloodlines, how would you picture the Tower of Babel looking if Gary Wayne is going back in time

when you mentioned it was like a device? Anything you can picture that like? Yeah, well, you know, we were told it was like made out of mud bricks. And so the first thing you know or should understand that mud bricks can't go beyond a certain height. And so there's no way they could reach into heaven, whether it's the lower heavens or it's the interdimensional heaven. So if you're using mud bricks, what's the best sort of architectural way of doing that? is it a tower? Is it a ziggurat or is it a pyramid?

Well, in ancient olity, they considered them all the same. So I would look at a ziggurat probably is the likely in a step brick sort of format. Although I'm not convinced that's what's used at the site and at Mount Hermann. That's stone masonry, not mud bricks. And so that's, again, probably indicating a different site. but that doesn't mean Nimrod didn't have multiple sites that he had built because he renovated many cities and was a very famous individual. So, yeah, I would envision it as more of a pyramid

and that what was maybe inside the building was more spectacular than outside the building with its imagery as mud bricks. Because, again, that would not be material strong enough to deal with this type of energy and the things that would be being done. So there's something more that was going on, or they had the ability to do something with mud bricks

and transform it in its process in terms of cooking and drying, because I'm not sure what term to use, because a kiln wouldn't be, as we understand it, technologically advanced, or the type of structural sort of material change that would be required to turn it into something that would be more like those big uniform building blocks

to build something with. So maybe what's being referred to is that these mud bricks weren't small mud bricks. These mud bricks were larger things and with that ancient angelic technology, it transformed it into something like a, again, as we know in our primitive technological terms, because they were more advanced than we were in this scenario, this would be some form of high-tech cement rocks,

like a recreation process of rock, but in form, geometric form. And what's also interesting just to touch back on Stonehenge, which is an extraordinary site of an extraordinary age, of the same age format similar to Gilgale Raphaim, is all of those stone structures that have, you know, those two pillars and then the cross point are portals in the polytheist religious understanding. So this had a technology associated with it as well. Yeah, I did an interview recently with author Maria Wheatley, who lives in England there and has written a book called The Secrets of Stonehenge, mind-blowing the stuff she's uncovered.

she's actually got a documentary coming out I think on Amazon soon where she's going to Stonehenge in these ancient sites and they've got her brain hooked up to these machines and it's showing you literally when you enter Stonehenge her brain activity goes off the charts and there's so many again the land underneath it is supercharged you know magnetic

they were tapping into energy, they were using it for seed germination. So in the ancient belief system of the Royals, they believed that they had telepathy in the past and when they were pure of their physical nature and that they could tap into this technology mentally. And so not only were they sort of with that, able to communicate with that beehive understanding with the Queen Bee and Sophia as the Gnostic Queen of Knowledge,

allegory in how they would structure that they could do things together that they couldn't do alone. But that this telepathy capability had the ability to link with its technology. So as we sort of think about what Elon Musk is trying to do with a neuralink where you're having that AI symbiosis with the brain, he's trying to create, again, a primitive first-step sort of level to what was in the past, to what people believe that they had. So can I prove that they actually had that link? No, I cannot.

All I can tell you is that that's what they believe at the upper levels of the bloodlines of the royals. Fascinating. Okay, let's talk all things, bloodlines. So, as again, we've established in previous interviews, episodes, as you break down in your books. And I just say that because we don't have time to unpack all of that today. But we have these Nephilim, the progeny of earth women,

who the fallen angels or watchers bred, with. These giants, these hybrids are ruling the earth. The Bible talks about them all over in Genesis 6-4. The Book of Enoch expounds on them. We've got non-biblical accounts like Samarian texts talking about hybrids all over, the Anunaki. We've got even historians like Josephus from the first century talking about the ancient giants who were on display in the museums in his day. we've got all kinds of texts. We've even got newspaper articles from the late 1800s up to the early 1900s

that are talking about giant skeletons being found in almost all 50 states, often found in the mounds of the ancient mound builders. Again, don't have time to go into all of that today. The point is there appears to have been this ancient hybrid race that once was ravaging the earth, ruling the earth, and ages past. In your books, you document how the bloodlines went from them and still exist today, which I think is mind-blowing for a lot of people to wrap their minds around. So take us there on the bloodlines of the Nephilim.

Yeah, so again, it's one of those key points to understand. not only the ancient world, but how today's world works. And get behind the headlines so you can better understand what's really sort of going on versus the euphemistic false flag sort of news that we get to keep us away from what is really taking place. So when we look at the giants, we've got two ages of giants. Hesiod recorded in the Greek that, in the Greek versions, that you had these great giants that, you know,

were the cause of all of these wars before the great flood comes. Then there's another creation of giants that come later, which is after the flood. So, again, we have a distinction that we should look at when we're trying to understand the bloodlines, that they may have produced. Now, we don't have a biblical passage that says giants were recreated after the flood, but we do have many patches where they show up.

And so it's always one of those great sort of themes of debate. Did they survive, or they recreated, or they were both, and we get stories of both all around the world. So it's a bit... But what's not up for debate is its common history. That's in all cultures all around the world. So these are the kings, these are the Lord rings, lords of the rings of Nippur before the flood that are allegorized in Tolkien's works, just as he has at the end of the trilogy all of these creations of the God sailing away on a boat, on water, which is an allegory for the flood. Why? Because now it's the time of man. So it's not that they completely disappear, but they're not.

not living amongst us like they were the same way it was before the flood. But there's a distinction that happens with these giants after the flood, from the ones before the flood. And I seem to think it's that delineation between Raphaim

and Nephilim giants. And Raphaim I make the case for our second incursion ones. And these are the ones that the Balim created. And the Euguritic text talks about. Versus the parent gods, L, who ruled before the flood and Astorah.

Now it's the reign of Beal. It's the reign of Anad as as queen of heaven, Amor, Karrat, all these different gods that are in the Euguritic text. So understand a difference between the parent gods creating the giants before the flood, offspring gods creating giants after the flood. And they have this assembly of the Ditanu, where these are the chief giants,

the patriarch giants, for tribes of nations, that they're going to build. And the Tanu is a transliteration of Titan, because the D and the T can be used in the same application, just pronounced slightly different in different languages. So Aten would be Adon. So Atenot of Egypt is the same as Adon that would be understood in Greece or in the Covenant Land.

And so the D and the T were kind of interchangeable. So as you look at that, all of a sudden, Titan is in play. Tuatha de Danan, they're all transliterations of the same sort of people. Or the Tuatha Danu would be the closest toothad de Danan variation of de Tanu. And de Dan, biblically, as we would get it. So understand that's one of the keys to understanding as things sort of cross into different sort of languages. And so they started tribes, and they were assigned nations. underneath the Balim Council

or the Council of the Gods, depending on how you want to look at that as maybe at another location. But the Council of Gods rule over the 70 nations of the earth, and then their spurious offspring are going to reign with the divine right to rule. So they migrate into those regions. This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yogurt, but not all yogurts are created equal. Activia contains over 1 billion probiotics per serving to survive and reach the gut alive.

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And so both before and after the flood, they usurp the kingships because of their great power. Now, they are not stupid, but they're probably not as wise as they should be. And their strength and their capabilities bring narcissism traits and probably lead them astray. and so they quickly pop-top-top-to-classes both before and after the flood. But there's something different about the giants after the flood where they don't have the ability to produce in the same kind of numbers as before the flood. So you get accounts of these great herms of wives that the Nephilim have. And you get something similar after the flood,

but again, these harems become filled more with humans. And it seems to be manifested in this inability to produce females. And now females are going to be the important individual as you start a new dynasty with another sort of pure bloodline. And so what they're going to do is they're going to intermarry to keep their bloodlines pure because they believe they're superiors because they're 50% God. They're a demi-god.

They're a higher race. They're a hybrid human-angelic race. But to survive, they're going to have to intermarry with humans and human females for the most part, although you could also have a human male intermarrying with a female giant, like Timna intermarries with Amalek in the Bible

in Genesis 36. Tema is a Horim giant daughter of Sears. So we have a... accounts all around the world that it happens with both sexes is basically what I'm saying. And so they're going to intermarry to keep those bloodlines as pure as possible to keep that distinction, to keep their size advantage, to keep their other gifts passed on separate and an advantage over humans. But they're going to have to survive and marry more.

And as they do that, they lose a lot of those gifts. those characteristics, they lose their size. They lose the genetic association physically to what the God would look like. So they don't look as serpentine. Just as in ancient ology, you have most of the kings in ancient prehistory that were called and depicted as serpents. Why? Offspring of seraphim, serpent-faced dragon gods, right?

And so as this intermarriage goes on, they're going to track their genealogies to track the purity of their bloodline and whether or not there's a bloodline that's ennobled to another important Nephilim or Raphaine Patriarch. And in polytheism with the royals, they believe that the giants did survive the flood as well. So they'll track both genealogies within their genealogies. And so as that sort of comes downstream, you have these different strains of the genesis that they track through genealogies. Again, words are associated for reasons.

So like the Plantagenet and the Plantinista, that goes back to Anu with the Anjou. Anu means in their belief system from Anu, the parent god of the Sumerian dynasty. and they track that through ancient families. Anjou is a sort of a junior offshoot, just as the Plantagenet is a junior offshoot of the Anjou. The Anjou is a junior offshoot of two other families, the De Fehr and the Angeauvin. And that comes through the ancient picks

or the Tuatha Doe-Danand that take their beginning back to the Tuatha Danu. It's sort of how they trace that. But they keep these into genealogy. So the royals are saying who they are in the name. That means kings of God. Royale, A, L, as we have it in English, is a transliteration of E.L for an angel or a god. And we get that, for an example, for people to say, well, you might be stretching things here.

Beal, who we've talked about as the chief offspring god, is spelled B-A-E-L and B-E-L and other variations as well. and Beal as spelled B-A-A-A-L is understood as Lord God or Husband God and a couple other things but God's always there. So these are kings of God. And Rex Deus is another term that they like to use, which is Latin for kings of God. They also like to use the term elite, alites. And in the pure form, Aleem, as it was originally known as.

and so they track these. And the I.M is that international ancient suffix that's used for a majestic bloodline of royals going back to the celestial mafia godfathers, as I tongue-in-cheek like to call the fallen angels or the gods. And their original patriarchal giants who created tribes that would accept their names eponymously. and so patriarchal patronemic names and you know names of that patriarch being passed on eponymously are important part for tracking these things sort of in history so raffa would be the patriarch for the raffaim for example and you can see the close the association there you have the i.m for the male plural So they track these genealogies all the way back into prehistory and where they have ennobled bloodlines tracked in.

And they're going to track that through different ways, a genealogical basis that they have in books and logs. And also track that through taciturn imagery, just as they use taciturn stories in stone in their religious sites. They do that in their heraldry as well. and it came about in ancient times where they were going into different realms, they would put it on a standard so that the Royale in that area would know where they fit and where they're from.

And what countries and realms do they belong to? So we see imagery that will track that and other information in their heraldry like you have dragons on coats of arms. You have lions on coats of arms. You have bulls, you have eagles. You have all sorts of angelic imagery on these coats of arms because it's there to inform which gods they honor and where they're from and their ancient bloodlines.

And so when you have somebody like King Charles, for example, who is a Windsor, changed their name from Hanover, and he is part of the Hanover's that came over with King George after the Stuart chaos and dynasties were replaced with the Hanovers. And, of course, King George is the ruling king of the time of the American Revolution, just to sort of create some data points in terms of how long these dynasties go for and how powerful they were, that he said when he was still Prince Charles, I descend from Vlad the Impaler, who Dracula was based on.

Dracula means son of a dragon. The Greek word for watcher is Dracont and Draconta. A watcher as in a seraphim angel, a dragon angel. The imagery is always there if you're looking for it. And he gets that through that European intermarriage with the Hanover's and the Royals out of Germany through Middle Europe. And what's interesting about Vlad the Impaler is that he has a bloodline that splits into two major bloodlines as they track their genealogies back into history. So I won't go through all the minutia of the Draculesky and the other different sort of names that are associated with it.

But I understand it goes back to a tribe of the Scythians or the Tuatha de Danan, because these were noble Celts, right? the royal Scythians and that the egressy is a tribe where they take their bloodline back which is done through the intermarriage of another tribe and bloodline patriarch that goes back to an angel named Cazadea out of the book of Enoch

and or Tamiel which is another name that they associate it with so probably this is one of many names for each individual powerful angel and on the Greek side of it, and the Greek Scythians, as the proto-Greeks, the Agriethi was the tribe created by Hercules, who created Herculides' line of kings

that were in Assyria, that were in Anatolia, southern Greece, and part of Macedon and Thrace and many other parts, and Hercules was the offspring of the god Zeus and Elkmane. So if they track all of that information, understand that whether it's true or not, it's what they believe. And I think it's probably true,

but whether or not it is or not, it's what they do with their belief system that we have to keep in mind. And they're part of the original group that controlled the top two classes we know is the Indo-Europeans, the Indo-Arians. and they call themselves nobility. The nobility is the meaning of the word Aryan, as an Indo-Aryan.

And there's five groups of Indo-Arians after the flood of different kinds of giants that are going to create these royal families all over the world. So it's important to understand this whole context in terms of that they're the power that aren't as visible as what they used to be, but they're still pulling the strings. And if we go back 100 years, just over 100 years ago, you had a World War I, and World War II becomes really an extension out of World War I to settle what wasn't finished in World War I.

You have an inter-family war. So the Romanovs, who are a junior offshoot of the Plantagenet out of Kiev, who set up the Putianan bloodline, did I say Plantagenet? It's the Putianan bloodline they're an offshoot of. The Putsi Annan of Kiev, they set up Moscow as their branch dynasty with Vladimir the Great. Okay, so the Romanovs are first cousins with the Windsors, Hanover's, first cousins with the Habsburgs, first cousins with, the Kisors of Germany.

And vice versa all around. So whether you would go to the Bourbonne of Spain or the Anjou of Italy or the other branches of the Anjou, they all intermarry. They're all on a first-name basis. This is an inter-family squabble. Now, understand that these bloodlines ruled all the nations of the world. It's an inter-family rivalry that there can only be one in the end time. And they've always had this war gene, just as the giants were always known for their warrior pro-ass and very violent.

And that's how they settled things. Wow. You unpacked so much there. So many thoughts flowing through my head. So you're basically describing, as you do in your book, how we have the descendants of the giants or the descendants of Anak after the flood. these bloodlines, these covenants, where we're tracing the surviving giants, establishing their royal bloodlines,

and this transgenerational, as you call it, conspiracy to enslave humankind. You also call it the House of the Dragon, these bloodlines of prehistoric giants that link to secret societies. So I want to talk about secret societies next, but before that,

because you also talk about bloodlines of the grail. Basically, in short, it's just, it's crazy to consider how we went from giant hybrid races, as I would say in the prehistoric past, to the giants mostly get wiped out, but now their bloodlines have survived. You're saying in these elite royals, these royal families that literally rule the earth. And tell me about King Arthur. What do you know about him? Because obviously there was so much made of this legendary king in Middle Ages.

Do you think he was one of these royals or was he any links to Nephilim bloodlines? Yes, he's actually a direct sort of a relationship. And understand that he creates this Knights of the Roundtable, like the assembly at Nippur. He's trying to create a new Atlantis when an Excalibur is taken out of the stone. and he's the new sort of dragon Messiah type to bring this about. Those are some of the imagerys that are in there. So in the bloodlines of the royals, you have a dragon raven, mostly uses dragon patriarchal allegory,

as Dracula would be representing Vlad the Impaler and a patriarchal bloodline, as we talked about previously. And he is son of Uther Pendragon, Chief Dragon. He is a Tuatha de Danan giant Royal Bloodline. And so is Guinevere. And

you know, Guinevere is a fairy queen and a fairy godmother, as we would understand in the fairy tales. The Tuatha Dan are the fair folk, the fairy folk. And the, when I mentioned Amalak

and Timna in Genesis 36, they were part of the Dukes of Edom. That's the Hebrew word Aleph. That the Catholic Encyclopedia records those bloodlines as the Alepheme,

bloodline of giant kings. And so the Tuatha do Danan and the marriage of Uther Pendragon's son, King Arthur, and Gwynavir, is a marriage

of Royals, but it is a fairy sort of understanding and a new dynasty that he's kind of creating for a future that we talked about that Timna did. And the Tuatha did and Ann carried the Magianic Elven bloodline, Elvian, which is just the transliteration of Alephim. And so Elf comes out of that as well in the occult. sort of history of how they use languages and imagery. So you have this representatives of direct descendants of the gods as having this divine right to rule

trying to create this new sort of age within King Arthur and Guinevere. And understand that Gwynn is a transliteration of Vinn and Vindos and Vindos and VIN, which is basically a she and verne guinevere and also you take that back to the same sort of meaning just as de verre is part of the enjou name right again these names are all there and used because they relate ancient history that's in there and of course the arthur tales and the grail tales are sort of built on scythian history using a christian veneer on it so the Grail becomes different than this Graal, G-R-A-A-L, song Graal, which is ancient chalice that the blood of Jesus was collected in

and taken with Joseph of Aramaea to Glastonbury. It's not the blood that's taken there, it's a grail child. Josephis, which they say is the third son of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. and he's going to intermarry into the Grail bloodlines, and they're going to track that sort of genealogy as well. That's kind of a different rabbit hole, but just to sort of give people an understanding of what's embedded into the King Arthur sort of tales. And the Grail is Song Re'all and Song Re'all.

So Song with a G and R-E-A-L and S-A-L and S-A-L, and S-A-N-R-E-L. and so you're basically having royal blood and royal bloodline as that's meaning so they're tracking the genealogies and so you have all sorts of different names and things that are going to be in King Arthur that's going to reflect those genealogies with different people so I won't go through all of it you know Alan was a tribe of the Scythians Helen Alan all the names that are associated with that

in the Grail and the different transliterations are again reflecting that Scythian bloodline that's been ennobled into the Grail bloodlines as well. So, yeah. I wanted to show you, I wanted to show you a photo before you move on from King Arthur that you might find interesting. This is me at Glastonbury a few years ago with author Hugh Newman. Oh, yeah. And you can see this little sign reads the site of the ancient graveyard where in 1190,

the monks dug to find the tombs of Arthur and Gwynnevere. So legend says that's where Arthur was found, right? Well, here's what they won't tell you that author Hugh Newman has documented in his book. Guess what was front page news back in the medieval ages right there at Glastonbury? It wasn't the fact that it was just King Arthur's tomb. But when they first came upon this place, they excavated and they dug down and they found these two ancient obelisks. Anyway, they find these two obelisks and buried between the obelisks was like a 15-foot-long stone sarcophagus. Inside was a 10-plus-foot giant skeleton.

and it was a marble stone sarcophagus. And this thing was so massive. That's where the legends of King Arthur started. It was because it was a giant skeleton that was discovered right there in Glastonbury Abbey. How crazy is that? Well, you would expect that he would have been a giant just because of his fame and what was being written about him. And that he's a direct bloodline. of the Tuatha de Danans.

So it would make sense. And I've not heard this story about the finding of the skeletons, but I'd be shocked if they had found his skeletons and they found him to be five feet tall. I would be absolutely shocked that that would not sort of fit the mythos.

So, yeah, I'm thinking that he probably was a giant. And you have giants that are talked about in the grail stories. They're not running away from, you know, like Brand the Giant, for example. And, you know, that's short and transliteration for Hebron. Well, what's Hebron got to do with anything?

Well, as you had mentioned, the Anakim Giants, that's where three kings were located in the city of Arba, the patriarch for the Anakim giants, Kireth Arba, before it was changed to Hebron, and the three kings of Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmi that Israelites ran into. So it's so absolutely impressive of the skill to encode this history into intriguing narratives. But they were very, very good at it.

And they continued to do that even to this day in their literature. Okay, so here we are today in the year 2006. And, you know, people talk about the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. these ruling elite families that still exist today obviously their bloodlines go back you know we've been hearing about the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds forever

are you saying that families like these literally have Nephilim DNA in them yeah absolutely and the Rothschild always even takes part of their bloodlines back to the Ascines they're on record for that

so but let's That's not confused, though, with the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers that they are super pure in their genealogies. They are visible, and they're not part of the upper hierarchy. Powerful, famous, but not the true power. So the Rothschilds were a Jewish family out of Germany, who were helped used to bring about banking after the fall of the Templars to replace the, the banking arm outside the church. Their name was Bauer.

And they changed their name to Rothschild when they set up the London Bank. The Rothschilds set up their stable of agents for the people they worked for in North America. That would include the Rockefellers. It would include the Morgans. It would include the Carnegie's, the DuPonts. And they became their stable of agents in North America. So there's a pure hierarchy above the Rothschilds. But over the years, they've intermarried and moved up into the hierarchy.

So these North American ones are more refute for bloodlines are powerful. And also understand that many of the offspring that weren't for sons of these powerful families were sent over to North America. as well, to populate and be in control of government agencies and things like that to keep the hold on the power and to set up the town squares with their legal authority. So you have to sort of imagine this in two different ways. You have a genealogical tree, as in the family tree, that they created to track their bloodlines as well. and you have a thalemic tree that's called a organizational tree, the phelemic tree, which is more of a cedar of Lebanon, with these trunk organizations.

So the Rothschilds would be fairly high up, but they would likely answer into as part of the banking arm into the committee of 300 families. So below the committee of 300 families are the Rosicrucians, the Illuminati, and Freemasonry at the bottom of the trunk, and then above the committee of 300 families is the Council of 33 families, and above that is the 13 families. So when you see pseudo-blue blood-American bloodlines in there, amongst 13, that's disinformation. And they want us looking in the wrong places for who really holds the power.

So yeah, so you're saying families like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers really are, mid to lower level compared to these 13, it sounds like there's 13 supreme ruling families. In the West. In the West. Yes, there's other organizational structures around the world. And do these elite families, if we saw them on the street today, do they look, most of them fully human, just with Nephilim blood lines DNA? or do any of these, because you hear about people talking about reptilians and people talking about, do any of them have a strange look, I guess, is what I'm asking.

Well, we don't know whether or not they have a changeling quality. It would be a trait or a gift that might have been passed on, certainly in the elemental group from the offspring of the gods. Many of them have changeling capabilities. angels have changeling capabilities. They're a spirit being that can take a physical form. Gods like Zeus would change themselves into a wolf. So again, we have examples throughout history that this can be done.

But are the Royals reptilians? I think they originally were. I don't know whether or not they have some sort of ability to hide that and produce a different look or not. I don't have any evidence, but a lot of people do believe that. They do have that sort of reptilian sort of genealogy back to seraphim angels, a lot of them do, but there's other watchers as well that produced angels. That may be kind of the mixing in of this into the royals,

but there's a lot of people that truly believe that when they're not public, they go back to the reptilian sort of look. I don't have any evidence of that So I just I don't rule it out But I don't have any evidence to support that But it's the gene that's important all the way Because the gene would be able to As it comes from the God would give them the gifts

So that's why they track their gens So for like King Charles They're more from the LB gens The Bloodlines that came from Zeus Are known as the Credigens KRT's original Semitic for Crete where Zeus spent a lot of time from.

You have the Julia gens of the Black nobility and the Fabia gens and other gens as I go back to the 100 families. So depending on who is their watcher, what their original look would look like that they might want to be hiding. So if a cherubum takes a form, it's going to take one face.

It has four different faces. It has dark hair and a black beard. like a Gilgamesh one. So one presumes that may have come from a troubam, whereas the seraphim produced blonde-haired and red hair and blue eyes and hazel eyes with pale skin. Atreubim also has a lion's face that can produce lion-min, lion nephalum,

like the lion-min of Moab. You also have a troubum that has a bull's head, You get some indication of creatures that were hybrids with bulls in the past. And when we look at the bird nephalum, like the Tengu of Southeast Asia, from the Tengu Watchers, or the Zabalba out of the Keisha Maya, these are owl and raven faces, the face of a cherubim. We don't know all the different faces of the giants. So again, the dog nephalum one from, you know, dog-faced or jackal-faced gods, and we get that listed by the Gnostics in several different accounts as part of the watcher groups.

So if they produced, like Anubis, for example, would have produced, and he produced great numbers in the Egyptian history, so much so he had to create Sinoopolis, which is Greek for Dog City. So we want to be careful that there are different stories. strains that if they are hiding what they would have looked like in terms of who their parents were from the Celestial Mafia godfathers, that they all might be hiding a different look if they can do that. Well, I want to close by asking you about UFO disclosure and all things aliens,

because unlike any time that I've been alive, it's like, you know, they're saying disclosure is imminent. We just had the Trump administration release, this cachet of files related to UFOs. There's a lot of talk of even congressmen meeting with pastors in secret, telling them to prepare their congregations for alien disclosure. And so this gets me thinking about the Nephilim, right? Because according to the Bible, the Book of Enoch in the ages past, the Nephilim were easy to distinguishable from humans. They were giant-like or chimeric-like, and therefore we see in the Bible Israel going to war against the giants. You talk about the Refayne wars in your books. We see David and his mighty men. The common thread is they were all slaying these giants. Basically,

the giants were hunted down, chased around the world, and exterminated. And that was after God wipe the first incursion out with the flood, right? And so it's kind of, you would kind of think that they would get smarter as time goes on, right? As you're saying with the bloodlines, make it less obvious but internal and still rule mankind. So where does UFO disclosure and aliens fit into this? Some theorize that aliens are like Nephilim 2.0 repackaged. you know, on other planets, creating stuff with their high technology craft, all to deceive us in the end days. What are your thoughts on all this?

So the visible ones tend to be the offspring of the fallen angels. I would expect fallen angels to take physical form as we get closer to disclosure and into the end time as well. and so you're going to have a complete hierarchy of these beings as it sort of comes out. And so to hear that they're preparing ministers to accept the fact that the world is different in its history and what you've been teaching and you need to figure out how you're going to communicate this to your flocks to keep control of them isn't sort of all that surprising because they've been preparing us for this type of disclosure

for a long period of time. So in preparation for doing that, those who rule this world got a hold of control over the seminary schools because in history, one of the sort of keys to the hegemony hierarchy and organizational structures,

is that they also control their religions. So it makes sense. They'll try and get control of the monotheist religions from the inside. And the way you do that, best way is through the seminary schools. So in Christianity, they don't teach prehistory, and they don't teach prophecy. So they've left the Christians vulnerable and like mushrooms. We're in the dark. We don't know because we don't even read the Bibles ourselves.

And so the Pothelists know the Bible better than we do in Moske. And so they're able to move us and cattle hurt us in a direction. So look for two classes of these aliens, one being a populace of very, very highly advanced aliens, which was going to be the fallen angels who have changeling capability. They can take any form that they want in a physical form. And then there's a hierarchy within the lower levels as well, that is their spurious offspring, put the giants at the top. Now, the giants have lost most of their bodies, and thus they've been put in stasis over time.

But they are the disembodied spirits that roam the earth today. We know as ghosts or demons. Not humans. These are disembodied spirits of the giants. Humans spirit sleeps and the soul decays with the body. So a demon needs a place of rest and a place to go to to be able to enter. act physically in the physical world. So it needs something that we call

biblically as an oiketarian, habitation. And that's the spirit. And the spirit needs a soul and a body of the physical world to do that. So you see demons who possess because they need a place to rest. But you don't have a very symbiotic relationship

with a hostile takeover. So that's why you see that manifested in what happens when somebody becomes possessed. But the technology could be that you could create, as we sort of project down the road, some sort of Jurassic Park giant oikitarian through cloning, just as you see in the movies where they give the idea that they could create the dinosaurs,

you could recreate those giants, which wouldn't have a spirit, and you're going to need a disembodied giant spirit to go in there and take over that body. That's certainly one possibility that we should be expecting to have. have giants become visible. There could be ones that have been saved in the earth, off the earth, but they're going to be part of this disclosure, and there's going to be different kinds of these giants. But we also have the elementals.

So biblically, we know about giants. Biblically, we know about the demon spirits. We haven't been taught, but we can get that information. But we've also been talked about these other classes of beings as well. And there may be other ones that we haven't seen that we should be aware of, but biblically, we get elementals so that we should be aware. that they're associated with the fallen angels. In Galatians 4, 3, and 9, they're actually called elementals.

Greek word Stoician can mean a basic element of the world or a being that's associated with the elements, just as the four elementals are associated with elements of the earth, earth, wind, air, fire, for examples, as we talked about earlier. And that we talked about the four different groups of these elementals that will populate these alien types of creatures and they were doing kidnappings all throughout her history in fact I give two fairy kidnappings as examples in book one

and if you didn't know it was a fairy abduction you'd swear it was a gray alien abducting humans and doing the exact same thing the grays do so we also have one other passage in collusion's two that where stoichion is translated here as rudiments but again is talking about these elemental beings that are working with the fallen angels to do what, enslave us in the physical world.

So expect that we won't be told a lot about these passages by our ministers, but that we have to rethink the embellished parts of our scripture and look at it in terms of what we can take out that we know is sort of history and reinvent that religion. And that's how they're going to lead us away. In fact, they're going to probably try and baptize aliens. The Catholic Church is preparing for that. But that means in that sort of scenario,

you have the aliens crossing over to a monotheist religion. I would say no, they would be prepared to be baptized into an already corrupted polytheist religion that's taken over the Christian religions because now it's just a ritual within polytheism. So we want to watch those different sort of transformations and that this story is going to be slow and coming out, just as the disclosure last Friday was underwhelming,

basically just more of what we already knew. And there was no ministers that came out and said anything or did anything. So expect more of this as they get us to a point of ho-hum, and then take it to the next sort of level. So it's a preparation model that I think that they're going to be rolling out and that they have to find a way to not tell us the whole truth so we don't figure things out.

So this is a perfect intergalactic model that they're likely going to roll out versus interdimensional, which would be the polytheist history, and what we also get interdimensional within the Bible. You mentioned the Catholic Church preparing to baptize aliens. Now that might sound crazy to some, but I don't think a lot of people realize how invested the elite of the Catholic Church has been into outer space, right? And they've got some of the world's most powerful telescopes and land in the U.S., in Arizona, right? Like the most powerful telescope in all of the U.S. is on this mountain in Arizona.

I'm blinking on the name, but the Catholic Church owns this land and is staring into outer space. Anything you want to say about that? Well, and the telescope is called Lucifer, as I recall. That's right. So they're basically telling you everything you need to know. And again, I document in book one that they're preparing to. baptize aliens and they've been doing it for over 20 years because they've been expecting the disclosure to be sooner than than later so we're going to see our preconceived sort of conclusions

overturned but then reshaped into what was but in sort of a different sort of version I think eventually we get in the last into the last three and a half years and understand of who all these beings are. But in the meantime, it's a mix of disinformation and misinformation and misinformation and brainwashing and preparing us to say, hey, if we're going to survive, if we're not going to destroy ourselves from the face of the earth, if we're not going to permit this evil lord of the universe that they're going to present to us, I think, down the road, we're going to have to join this

galactic table, so to speak, of knights or ringlords, and earn our chair at that table, we're going to have to fight with them. So they're going to have to provide us technology to catch up with them to believe that we have a chance to defeat whom they call the evil lord of the universe that we would know biblically as the Bible. That's how they look at the God of the Bible. and that we're going to have to do our share. So we're going to have to become part of the rebels

and win our freedom away from this dark lord is how it's sort of going to be presented. And again, we're getting that in all the different sorts of science fiction. So we ought not to be too surprised at the direction it's likely to lead us in. Whether it's exactly as they've laid out in the entertainment and the writings, probably not, but certainly directionally it's going to be moving in that direction. And the world's going to have to rebel if we're going to get into the end time.

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Terms apply. In a funny way, in a twisted kind of way, it's kind of funny how, you know, you have the modern church that is stripped away the Book of Enoch, they've blacklisted Genesis 6'4. As long as I've been alive, the mainstream, you know, Christianity stripped out all the weird stuff, and now they're living in a day where they're getting hit every day with alien disclosure, UFOs.

And had they not done that, they might not be surprised by any of this, right? Exactly. So it's been designed to shock people through fear and confusion and chaos to accepting, you know, a prepared narrative to lead them away from God. I mean, everything is designed sort of to do that. So we should look at things through that kind of lens, and we should look at that if we want to not be deceived with what's coming, and there's going to be things that are absolutely unbelievable,

unimaginable, unless you can go back and imagine what prehistory looked like, which they will not permit us to do because they keep dumbing us down not to do that, not to ask the tough questions. We cannot trust our leaders to tell us the truth. And we can certainly look back

from a Christian perspective on the last pestilence and look at the leadership we had in the church. As a model for things are going to get a lot worse in terms of catastrophes and different types of beings and things and things that will, you know, cause us to have our heart stop. It'll be, the fear will be so high in terms of what we're seeing,

according to what the book of Luke is talking about, that we'll have to understand these things for ourselves. But now, I mean, we live in this world of how do you tell through the, you know, the information that's out there on the Internet, what's real and what isn't real. and then AI is going to be making that more blurry all of the time because it will become impossible to tell what's a fake and not a fake and who is speaking and who isn't speaking. So it's going to become very, very difficult.

If you're not already prepared going into it, you are very vulnerable. Well said. Well, Gary, time has flown by. This was fantastic. and thank you as always for your time. Any closing words you want to share with our audience, how people can get your books, follow you, all that stuff? Yeah, so the best way to get a hold of me is,

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