Megalithic Marvels - Gary Wayne: Giants of Genesis & the Nephilim Wars [Part 2]

Episode Date: February 1, 2020

Gary Wayne, author of the "Genesis 6 Conspiracy," breaks down the following in part 2 of this interview: Giants before & after Noah’s Flood The Nephilim Wars Famous Giants of the Bible Physical Evidence for Giants  Also mentioned in this episode: Video: Chichén Itzá: the Ossuary Instagram: Elongated Skull

Welcome to the Megalithic Marvels podcast. Hey, Dee Olson here, your host and founder of megalithic marvels.com. Thanks so much for joining me on my journey of reconstructing the prehistoric past. In this episode, I feature part two of an interview that I did in 2018 with Gary Wayne, author of the Genesis 6 conspiracy. In this episode, Gary breaks down the following. before and after Noah's flood, the Nephlene Moors, famous giants of the Bible, and physical evidence for giants, and much more in part two of this interview. But first, I want to give you two quick announcements. So last month, I visited the ancient Mayan city of Chechnica on Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. It was an amazing expedition. And I have just really used. my first 4K video on YouTube from this trip called Chichenitsa the Ossewary, which takes you up close to this incredible structure at this site known as the Osiri or the High Priest's tomb. And as you watch it, I share some very interesting discoveries and facts about this structure and what was found

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Phileem of Genesis 6 that we're going to talk about in a minute with Gary Wayne. So just search for Magnific Marvels on Instagram or click the link in the show notes. Well, let's get to part two of my interview with Gary Wayne now. Genesis 6-4, and there's other scriptures like we read Numbers, states the Giants were on the Earth in those days, but also afterward, meaning after the flood. And in Numbers 13, we see, you know, as the Israelite spies are spying out the land, these references to the anachim. From what you can glean from the scriptures, Gary, how do you think these Nephilim hybrids were most likely to resurface again after the flood? Was it more fallen angels coming and doing what they did before by breeding with human women or was there something else?

Yeah, and we also need to take into account that not only does it say they were both before and after, if we look at what God says about destroying all life on the earth, he's going to destroy all the life he created. And if you want to be a little bit legalistic on that, it's the fallen angels, the rebellious angels who create the Nephilim. So either way, somehow, somehow they show up after the flood. I prefer a second incursion, a second impassioned incursion. And for the people who may not be aware that the angels who mated with human females, they were sentenced to the abyss for their crimes. And these are the ones that are going to be released out of the abyss in the end time,

as it shows in Revelation 9. So if there was a second incursion, this would have been the ones that did not have violation with the laws of creation and with human females. And in revelations, we're told there are 100 million angels, and it could be even more that were created. And a third of them are shown in Revelation 12, at least by the point of the end time, we'll have rebel.

Enoch only talks about 200 watchers that went to Mount Herman out of this number. And we also know they went to more, you know, any human females they wanted to create. So there wasn't all the fallen angels that violated and were locked in the abyss. So that meant some were still around after the flood. And so what I like for my first understanding that keeps everything more easily intact

is that there's a second violation probably at Sodom, which is one of the reasons why it would have been destroyed later on after it reached its full corruption. And of course, the Gnostics look at Sodom as the city of light and replanting of this demigod. spirit after the flood. The second way I would look at that would be plausible in my mind as well, although I prefer the first, would be somehow on an arc, or somehow with the gods and fallen angels warning these Nephline, because we have accounts like the epic of Gilgamesh, and Gilgamesh is two-thirds,

God, one-third human. He's partners, Anakkad, and two-thirds God, one-third human. They're created after the flood. Even though on the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q531 through 534 you'll have Gilgamesh's name mentioned before the flood, we don't know whether this is the same Gilgamesh. Could be, could not be. Either or you either have a recreation or survival. The Epic of Gilgamesh is talking about Upnut Tishdin or Anzai Zudra, who is the archetypical Nephilim king or Anunaki king of the Sumerian tradition and his family who are all Nefahshundra, and his family who are all Nefishdin. that are going to survive on the flood. So Deppica Vigilgamesh is similar on a macro level,

but not on the detail level. This is clearly a survival of Nephilim, as opposed to humans. Just as another quick one is the Greek flood story with Ducalion and Pira. Ducalion is the son of Prometheus, and there's two Prometheus, one's a giant Titan and one is a Titan god.

Either way, Prometheus is Nephilim. So another giant flood story. So you have human and giant flood stories surviving all around the world. And that would be a bit plausible for me because when you look at Raphaim or Anakim or Avim or Horeim or all the different names that we have listed for the giants after the flood, the different tribes, none of them go back to the table of nations with Noah. And you have SIR who is part of the Horeem who comes out of nowhere to intermarry with. the descendants of Esau, right? And you have Gog and Magog, which are typically giant names out of Greek mythology, that the descendants of Japheth either name their children after or intermarry with the giants.

And the descendants of Canaan intermarry with these Raphaim, Anakim, Avim, Azeem, Azeem, all these different names in the Middle East and in the Coventland in particular. And again, we don't have a reference to where they came from. So those would be the two most plausible ones. I know some people think that some of the wives carried Nephilim DNA with them that caused them. But that is, I suppose, is possible. We don't have scripture to support that either. And it just seems at odds in my perspective, although I do recognize it's possible that if you're doing a clean start, why would you do that with humans?

But it's certainly another possibility. you say that the Israelites identified the post-Diluvian giants as anarchites and Raphaids even though they were universally understood the giants were descendants of the anti-Diluvian Nephilim. So you kind of just hit there, Gary, on different names of giant tribes. If you could kind of break down for us the various giant tribes that purposely settled in this covenant land of Canaan to strategically position. themselves against the future nation of Israel?

All the different names? Yeah, kind of what were the main giant tribes. Right. So let's just again begin with the anachim. And those are the ones that you're referring to in numbers that is referring, that the Israelites are referring they look like insects to them. And the anachim were descendants of giants. So they enact descent from giants and giants goes back to Nephilim.

So but in other verses we read like in Duda Army 2 that the anachim are also known as Raphaim. So the quick genealogy is that you have anachim, Raphaim, Nephilim as the parents. And so if you branch out from Refayem, that Anachim are descendants of Refayem, Nephilim, as the parents. And so if you branch out from Refayim, that Anakim are descendants of Refayim, and then you read in other verses where you have the Horim and the Samzumzeem and the Amin, or also Refayim, it seems to me that a branch of the giants that survive into the flood sort of go back to Refayem, just as Aug is Refayeen, right? and they all seem to be kind of part of that, except for maybe the Amalekites. They may have a different strain of giant in there,

but they could also be Raphaim, because that's a little bit unclear. And it would also seem that the offspring of Timna, who is a Horim with Elifaz, as I recall, who produced Amalak takes the name of the giant name that goes back into prehistory. And so those would be sort of the name, The main names that we get out, there's a couple more, but there's the aving, which is very important to understand as well.

Those are the ones that live amongst the Philistines. Incredible. And you kind of mention what some of these giant tribe names mean, like Anak means long-necked, the Zamzu mites mean noisemakers. Kind of, again, referring back to that Josephus quotes, that they were horrible to the hearing of the ear. So it's just crazy to think about it. I love how in your book you call it the Nephilim Wars. And so I guess backing up for a minute, we've got God wiping out the earth with a flood,

which when we look deeper into this, it's because of these giant demigods. And then we've got the, you know, we've got Joshua and Caleb being told to why, out the inhabitants of Canaan who are actually led and probably mostly inhabited by these giant tribes that are not just human. And so it's a totally different spin on the story. What percentage would you say of these giant tribes did Joshua and Caleb exterminate?

Is there a percentage you can put on that? In terms of how many of those peoples were destroyed? I would say, yeah, because we know they didn't destroy all of them, correct? That's true. And they didn't destroy all of the giants, and they didn't destroy all of the hybrid peoples that intermarried with them. So Amarites would be a very tall nation, but they were offspring of the giants. And so you would have had Refayne kings ruling over them, like Og and Seahon as example. But they weren't as pure as this other line.

And they didn't exterminate them outside of the covenant land as well. So the ones that would have lived outside there would have still survived. But within the geographical area, I would say they probably wiped out about 80% of them, just my own estimate. They did a lot. And it took years and years and years of perpetual war. In fact, to the point where Joshua becomes so tight. in old age that, you know, they're just tired of perpetual war.

But they would have wiped out a lot, but they didn't wipe them all out. And they certainly didn't wipe out the five abate kingdoms of the Philistines. And there was also pockets all around. But, I mean, the number of kings and armies and cities that they wiped out is astonishing. But this is not a slaughter of, for the purpose of bloodthirsty slaughter. these giants purposely moved into the covenant land because they knew that was the prized land of God. And they were violating that and waiting in ambush for the Israelite nation to be born, raised, and come back. And what they were attempting, just as the Amalekites were attempting to do, is wipe the Israelites from the face of the earth.

and because if we understand that then we understand we have to ask well why would they want to wipe them from the face of the earth because Israel is brought in as a nation of priests to deliver the Messiah to be atoned for all the sins antedudaluvian and post-iluvian of all humankind so that we might be raised above humans in the future time raised above angels in the future time. And so they're going to try and prevent that. And they're also going to try and inherit the blessings thereof through the Esau line and intermarried through Amalekites of the Mazianic birthright and blessings and covenant blessings that come with it. So there was this whole sort of political thing going on from the spurious forces to try

and wipe Israel out. but they laid there for centuries in patient weight to try and defeat the people of hope and destiny from completing their commission. Wow, so much there to think about, to research. I love how you tied that all in. Let's talk about some of the specific giants mentioned in the Bible. You say that the giant king known as Og of Bashan had an iron bed of 13 feet. feet long and was the last survivor of the refites. Please tell us a little bit more about King Og.

Yeah, and that is a very interesting reference, the last survivor. And, you know, that's recorded in Deuteronomy 311, 1311 to 13, and Joshua 12.4. So that's more than just one account. And so King Og was a very obviously famous giant, because he's the one who's going to fight against Moses and Joshua just before they're going to cross the Jordan. But what happens first is Moses goes through the land of Og's brother, Seahon, and has a battle with them. And kills Seahons, wipes out the army, Og comes in support of his brother, and same thing happens to Og. And so this was one of the most famous people of early post-deluvian epoch.

I mean, he was a great warrior, a great knowledgeable person. He's written them. We have archaeology supporting that rain and in that area, and particularly referring to the Raphael, just as you have the wheel of the Raphaim, which is also known as the wheel of the ghost, which is another meaning for the demon spirits of the Raphaim. And so this is a very powerful king before they even cross the Jordan and they defeat two of them. And they're the leader of the Amarites as well. As we mentioned, there are hybrid beings or offspring of the giants.

But it's that word the last surviving of the Refayim that is very important to understand because as we did the connections before about who the Refayim were and how they connect Nephilim and all these other races, are Nephilim, and that when Joshua is going to cross the flood, he's going to fight all of these other Raphaim, whether or not they're Anakim or Avim, or whoever. And in the time of Goliath, in the time of David, you know, over 400 years later, Goliath is from Rafa, Raphaine, as it goes back to Hebrew, as you take that word giant. and that's part of the Abbeen group out of the five city-states of the Philistines. And so clearly he's not the last Raphaine.

So what does that mean? Does that mean he's the last original, either produced after the flood or survived the flood of the original giants? I think that's what it's pointing at. And that's why it's so important. And it's there in three different verses. So it's not there out of just a sort of a penman's anecdotal note that doesn't have importance because it's recorded three times. Incredible.

You write about the most famous giant in the Bible, Goliath King of Gath, who led the Philistines and was about 10 feet plus tall or more. And he belonged to a family of giants. Please expand on the origins of Goliath. And we get this out of Jewish legend that connects in with scripture. And who I'm referring to are these Jewish legends, not necessarily the Kabbalah, even though they'll have similar accounts. I preferred on the Jewish legend to refer to Lewis Ginsburg,

who collected all of the Jewish legends. And so they match up quite well of the Bible, but they do stray and probably embellished to a certain degree. but they look at Goliath being from a relative of David and connected through Ruth and Orpah originally travels with Ruth

back to Israel but then decides she doesn't want to live there and goes back to her homeland and she sees a shining, powerful being a descendant of the angels ride through and is instantly awestruck with this individual and marries her. And she's the daughter of a king. Oprah is.

So again, royalty marrying royalty. And she produces four or five sons depending on which legend that you're going to produce. And one of them is Goliath. And so this actually makes Goliath and David related because Ruth is in the descendancy of of David and Ruth and Orpah are related. But of course, I'm not suggesting David is giant because I'm clearly putting through where this offspring came from from this fallen angel.

And what's interesting is that you have five rulers of the Avine city-state empire. And when David goes to fight with Goliath, he picks up not one smooth stone. but five smooth stones. And I think that if God was with David that day and he was, he would ensure one stone was going to be enough. And it is.

And David cuts his head off after knocking Goliath out. But I think he took the other four stones because he was fearful that the other four leaders would come out and want to fight with him afterwards. So he was going to be prepared to take on all three. five giant leaders. And we never hear of these other giants with the Philistines. We only hear of Goliath. And we also understand that there was many other abeem or giants that were part of the

Philistine armies that would have been part of the armies that day, that are later killed by David and his mighty men afterwards after David comes to kingship and wipes out most of the giants that we are aware of and the balance of the Amalekites for attacking Israel way back during the time of Exodus as part of his kingship covenants. Incredible. It's incredible to think about these giant tribes, you know, the Philistines, for example, led by Goliath.

And we know that God outlawed, you know, child sacrifice and the spilling of blood. But it's crazy to equate how if you were a human living back in those days and you went into the Philistine camp, Goliath was literally seen as this giant demigod, this half-god, half-man creature, would you agree he most likely probably eight children? I would think so. They did the worst abominations.

I mean, if you look at how David was approaching Goliath, He was approaching him like he was a spiritual beast and had nothing good to say about them. These were beings that were the enemies of humankind. They looked at us as inferior, as sub-whatever, whatever hybrid human they were, and that we were only good for servitude, ritual sacrifice, eating and drinking our blood. And both were significant tributes of the antediluvian epa. and we take it from that that they continued these traits because they continued all of their other ways after the flood. Yeah, because, you know, I always thought in reading the scriptures, you know, how even the Israelites got cut up and, you know, sacrificing children.

You picture them bringing their child to, you know, some statue. Yeah. Or some, you know, stone God when in reality it could have been, a living giant that was cannibalistic and consuming these sacrifices. Yeah, let me connect those dots a little bit for the audience. So the Nephilim outside of Israel were the kings, and they start these royal dynasties. And they're in partnership with the mystical religions, and everybody knows, you know, the magi out of Mesopotania and the powerful priests out of Egypt. These are the same religions and the same organizational structure.

And the Nephilim king was known as what we would know as a priest king or a fisher king as it comes down through grail mythology. That was both a priest and a king in most cases. And if somebody reads the lost king of book, Og, they claim Og was a priest king as well. This would just, I'm not saying it's an accurate book. I'm just saying that is how they were believed to be. And as a priest king of the bloodline of the gods, they were the gods. representative and messenger on the earth with the divine right to rule. So they would be continuing on these rituals.

Now, if we understand what the Canaanite pantheon looks like, that starts with the generic name for God, L, which was a morbid, lustful, violent, fallen angel who made it with human females. He creates Bael. and Mott is another one of his sons and also the son of Bael is Moloch. Now Mollack is the god that is the choice of worship at the time that these kings would have been worshying who demanded child sacrifice.

And this is why you have all of this Molaq sort of thing going back and forth in Baal worship in the time of the Israelite kingdom because this was the land of the Canaanites before. So that religion wasn't wiped out. And this is what infected the Israelites, which is why God had instructed them to get rid of all of the idols, get rid of all of the people, keep it clean.

Otherwise you will be infected. So interesting. The book of Enoch states how the Nephilim corrupted everything, even animals. You've kind of hit on that. In chapter 83, I believe, of your book, you talk about, as you just stated, the legend of Molek, who's like, you know, this man with a bull's head.

You talk about the bull of Minos, a hybrid bullman creature, who is also a child-consuming cannibal, I think on the island of Crete. There's the legendary Cyclops who was said to be a giant, or these were giants with an eye around the forehead. And I find it so interesting to tie this in that there's a certain type of ancient megalithic architecture known as Cyclopean Masonry. Yeah.

It's found, especially in the Turkey area of the world. And, you know, when you've studied the oral traditions of these a lot of these megalists and the cyclopean masonry, it's connected to giants who built this stuff.

And I went to Peru this last year and got to see some of these megalists up close. And if you haven't seen, I mean, we're talking precision cut megatone, megalithic mortarless blocks that are so, so fine you can't fit a human hair through them. And we're talking some of these are 50 tons, 100 tons, or more in weight, literally made with some kind of lost ancient high technology that our greatest modern engineering today can't replicate. And it's crazy when you go to Peru and you go to Machia Picchu and Alente Tombo and Pesak, all these great archaeological sites, you know, if you don't know anybody, you're just told this was built by the Inca.

But when you look closer, you see that everywhere the Inca went underneath the foundation is this megalithic architecture, which looks far superior. and interestingly enough was all destroyed. That's why there's only the foundations left by some ancient cataclysm, which I believe was most likely the flood. So do you believe that correlation, Gary, of megalithic architecture with this lost ancient technology on a massive scale, two giants? Yeah, I think there could be two,

levels of ancient architecture. Typically, if you get into polytheist religions and mythologies, is the first ancient cities were all built by the gods before humans were created. And then afterwards, and particularly as you start moving into secret society and Freemasonry legends and history, is that the seven sacred sciences, that were taught to Adam, learned by Kane, and expanded by Enoch, son of Kane, not Enoch, son of Seth, and down to La Mac and two of Olcaine, Kane, that they developed these seven sacred sciences along with the watchers,

along with the angels and the illicit knowledge from heaven to a level that I had mentioned earlier in the show is probably greater than what we have today, which would testify to some of these monuments, and that the Freemasons and other groups, and other groups in the Middle East, especially in Arabian mythology, they will equate the technology and the knowledge to build the pyramids. And, you know, the great pyramid in particular to Enoch. He's known by different names in different cultures, but they all take them back to the Enoch of the Bible, but not of Seth, of the Seven Sacred Sciences. and that in many of these accounts, they had giants working with them,

but not necessarily were all of the labor. They were part of the labor. I think they had developed their technology to a level that would have enabled them to do that with the help of the angels. And if we look at how fast our technology is developing today, and you add into it, many people think this is what's going on today, is that our knowledge is being advanced and enhanced by fallen angels, and that was going on in the past. How fast could that technology advance

and how far did it go in one or 200 years? And we know these giants were around for hundreds of years. Wow. Well, one more question for you today, and then I'll let you go. I know you're a very busy guy, and we touched on some of this earlier, but all over the world, giant bones, giant skulls have been unearthed,

ranging mostly from probably 7 to 11 feet in length, often found with red hair, extra digits, double rows of teeth. You can do a search of old newspaper headlines from the late 1800s into like the 1930s and read reports about giant discoveries, you know, really found all over almost every state in the U.S. about these giant discoveries and these bones were usually taken to the universities

to be studied, then never really seen again. Amongst the many fakes that are on the internet, there are a handful of genuine photographs, I believe, of giant skeletons that people have taken, of giant mummies. We talked about in Paracas, Peru, and some other places,

these elongated skulls. with red hair have been unearthed. They're about a thousand years old, I believe, and DNA analysis on some of them has actually verified the elongation, as you stated earlier, wasn't just caused by cranial deformation, but rather it's genetic in that,

and I think this is so important to point out, that the skull's cranial volume is up 25% larger and 60% heavier than conventional human skulls, meaning cradle headboarding can't create more mass as you said. And then it just as recently as last year, Brian Forster from Peru has revealed the discovery of some infant-looking humanoids that died in the womb and had these massive elongated skulls. Again, proving it couldn't have been cradle headboarding.

It was genetic. And they're about 800 to 1,000. years old. So I guess in closing, to me that seems to be some pretty decent evidence that we can actually see and touch and measure that connects us back to the Genesis of Giants and the Nephilim Wars. And any closing thoughts on this possible evidence we have today connecting it to the giants of Genesis?

Well, I think it is the giants of Genesis. And so, you know, as we talked about earlier, you have these two main colors of hair. And the Peruvian skulls and North American skulls, they tend to be related with red hair, which is that red hair, hazelite sort of variation of these nephalim. And what we also get is DNA results taking it back to European and Middle East, and particularly Scottish tracking back through history on DNA. And so we have two possibilities here. I think you have that after the flood, you either have more races around the world surviving, or you have these giants being driven out of the Middle East,

who, according to more European legends, whether or not it's Greek, whether or not it is Iris with Tuatha Danon, whether or not it's other Celtic, northern German, Scandinavian, Scottish, have these waves of these giants like Gog and Magog and Albion and Brutus and all these other ones migrating in different waves with different names like Simri and Trojans and as such moving over to France into England and then either moving being pushed out from there perhaps again over to the new world or it's a separate branch. I think it's probably being pushed out of the Middle East. I think the source of the giants of what we see surviving have this Middle East connection, whether it's through Scythia, whether it's through Tartarus, through legend,

escaping from the prison the giants were put in for rebelling afterwards. But I am open to the possibility that there are other ones, revived around the earth with the flood as well, either through help of fallen angels or on arcs or on mountains. There's many different sort of stories on that. But I think they are probably part of the same ones that are from the Middle East, I think. Well, Gary, thank you so much for your time today. This has been so insightful for me. And I know for many that are watching. And I would tell everybody watching, please go to Genesis. six conspiracy.com.

That's six, the number six, Genesis6 conspiracy.com. And there you can find all of Gary's social media channels to follow. Get on Facebook and join his Facebook group. It's very informative. People post a lot of great content. Of course, Gary has a lot of cool Facebook posts

with pictures that he adds often that I really enjoy. They're kind of like, little books that you post. So follow his Facebook group, follow his Facebook page, Twitter, but most of all, by his book, The Genesis 6 Conspiracy. It's an incredible book, and he goes way more in depth on all these topics that we've discussed and way more.

You will get your money's worth. And also please share this video if you enjoyed it. And so, Gary, thank you so much. Well, thank you for having me. It was a wonderful time talking about this subject, and I think just as you do, I love talking about this topic. And for anybody that's out there, if they do have a question, do get a hold of me either through my website or through Facebook or through Twitter. And if you have a question, I will get back to you on it. Thanks, Gary.

Keep up the great work, and we'll do this again soon. Thank you. Well, I hope you enjoyed part two of this interview. please subscribe to this podcast wherever you are listening from and give us a good rating on iTunes if you enjoyed it. Thanks for joining me and until next time, keep exploring.