Megalithic Marvels - Giants, the 80s & the Blurryverse with the Blurry Creatures Bros (part I)

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

In part 1 of my exclusive interview with Nate Henry and Luke Rogers (hosts of the Blurry Creatures podcast), I start out asking them to share with us about the journey that led them to launch one of the most successful podcasts in the country. Since they originally started out as a bigfoot podcast, I ask them next to give us their personal opinions on what they think the BIG guy is... We dive into an interesting discussion on the discovery of some ancient giant footprints found in Texas and the cover up of history. And what would a discussion with these guys be without reminiscing about the good ole days of the 80s. Stay tuned for part 2 where we dive even deeper into the blurryverse SHOW NOTES Follow & subscribe to blurrycreatures.com Join us for our 2024 Egypt Tour

Well, I'm excited to be joined by the guys from Blurry Creatures, the Nate Henry, and Luke Rogers. Guys, thank you for joining me on the Megalithic Marvels podcast. Let's go. We're here. Good to be here. Derek, we're so appreciate you, man. This is, uh, it's fun to be on your show.

You've been on our show a ton. And I always love what you do. And your work is amazing and you're a better person. It's, uh, It's cool. I'm a big fan. I was a big fan before we got to know, know you and a bigger fan now. But great to be on the show. Great to see you. Yeah. It is great to have you guys. And it's kind of really exciting to have the script flipped here. Often when I'm seeing your incredible handsome faces online like this, I'm being interviewed, but now I get to interview you. And I'm excited about some of these topics we're going to get into. I want to ask you guys, I don't normally talk about BigFling.

But being that you were originally a Bigfoot podcast, I got to ask you about this coming out of the gate here in a second. I want to talk giants, Nephilim, some of these footprints you guys have been showing on your channels. We've got to get into portals, stargates. Of course, we've got to talk about the latest UFO phenomena and how that pertains to aliens. And, of course, ancient tech. I want to hear about your trip to Peru. this is going to be an incredible episode. I hope you guys are ready for this.

We are. Never talked about any of this before, so this is going to be a first time for us. Yeah. So I want to start up by saying, congrats on not just your incredible podcast, but the incredible community you guys have created here, just really a handful of years.

So I think you posted recently somewhere, I saw that you guys hit top five and some category worldwide. Was that the science category? Yeah, yeah. We hit, I think last week we hit like 240 in the U.S., 244 or something on there, top 250 for like a couple days, which is, you know, crazy to even think about that you talk about some of these subjects that are so outside of the realm of, you know, pop culture. And here you are cracking into the, you know, just to get to the,

top 1,000 podcast with all the millions out there. It's just it's, it's, we're blown away. We're humbled. I think we try to have, we try to work on making the content accessible to people and have fun. Come on, see some memes, hang out, laugh a little bit. But also like get something to take with you to kind of rattle your brain a little bit while you're going about your day. So I think that's a good, for whatever reason, sort of a good mix of all those things. And two, we're just blown away that people listen, care and share it to their friends. So just humbled. Yeah.

Congratulations, you guys. I mean, following you the last couple years, I know how much hard work this is. So, again, it's really cool to see when the rewards start coming in. So I just kind of wanted to hear from you guys for people that might not know. Give us just some quick bullet points, kind of the why and how you two came together to launch the blurry creatures podcast. Give us a little bit of the. backstory. So blurry creatures was

kind of I was fascinated by paranormal topics for a while and was listening to a lot of podcasts over the years, kind of the early podcast, and then I started getting to David Blytus's stuff, missing 411, watching Bigfoot documentaries, trying to figure out

okay, there's this sort of scientific phenomenon going on in the woods in state parks and people are going missing where they're going. First I thought it was Bigfoot, then it was kind of like, well, it seems more complicated. And then about 2019, designed a logo called and got the domain blurry creatures. And Luke and I had done some work on some previous podcasts, had a bunch of mutual friends. We knew of each other. We hung out a couple of times. And I knew he knew how to podcast. And the one thing I was thinking in my mind is I don't want to take this journey by myself.

I was listening to a lot of guys like Mike Heiser and people talking about the Nephilim. And I grew up in the church and I was just fascinated with this whole, explanation for all the cataclysms in the Old Testament and all the weird stuff that happened. And I hit up Luke and I was like, dude, I got everything ready to go. Do you want to join me in the blurry verse? And I set you a message.

I think I slipped into Luke's DMs. I was like, dude, come on. Well, it started in the public space first, Nate. We were, our interaction. I think it had to do with a tweet about Bigfoot, which is funny because I know. know that one of the, if you listen to our show at all, and if you haven't, one of the first things we talk about was you ask people for their thoughts on Bigfoot, right? It's a weird

enigma, right? It's a cultural phenomenon and people, people have a lot of thoughts because you could buy Bigfoot almost anything branded by Bigfoot and there are attractions and museums and there are syndicated shows about trying to find this guy. And for me, like, you know, Nate had this, had the nexus of this of this idea. And like you said, I had been podcasting, and he had been podcasting previously as well. And the podcast that I was on with my brother, we retired it due to some contractual things with his employer. And I was looking for a new creative project. And it always been, like Nate said, in the same way, it had always been fascinated by history.

It's why I was a big fan of what previously this big fan of what you were doing. I love history and I love to think about and learn about the things that, you know, of antiquity. And, you know, a lot of that doesn't make sense. This is your platform. Like, you know, then the mainstream narrative isn't, isn't really that good. It doesn't really explain a lot. It can't really explain a lot. And so, you know, when Nate approached me about, hey, you want to do a Bigfoot podcast, it was, it was like a year.

It was an absolute yes. It was 2020 and going back to the to kind of how our show has grown. I think that there are a lot of folks considering, you know, in the last three years, considering everything everyone's been through in the West and across the world especially, people are looking for a lot of answers. And if you're a Christian, you want to, you want to looking for answers, you can contextualize within the scriptures and within your faith. And, you know, we began with Bigfoot.

Like how do you, what is this thing? What is this enigma? We call the gateway drug. It's sort of into the, into the weird. And Nate does a great job. but describing sort of the thesis of our show, which really is that the church

really doesn't do a great job, generally speaking, addressing the paranormal. And the paranormal community itself really doesn't address a lot of the paranormal through a biblical context, or biblical lens, right? So we want to marry those things. Like, when you see, paranormal is a weird,

is also a weird, it has a lot weird connotations. semantically, right? But really, we're just talking about things that sort of live on the fringes, right? You, Bigfoot and ghosts and all the weird things in the Bible, you know, as you pointed out the Nephilim and what does that mean? And then, you know, there's the conquest of Joshua and these things that we're trying to make sense of here in the 21st century. But maybe all these things are how we can pull a thread, right? Maybe there's a thread through all of this, especially if you're a Christian, and we believe there is. And so,

Trying to pull that thread and make sense of everything, everything weird, as Nate said, everything in the blurry verse, right? Even in your space, the megalithic stuff, how do we explain that, you know, other than there was, and I love what you do, the ancient technology. How does that work? How does that work? Is there, can we predicate that? Is there evidence for that in the scripture?

And we believe there is. And so that's really where we come from. It's a big mishmash grab bag of things, but I just, I feel like Nate and I, it's a journey podcast, and we've been on this journey trying to find better answers for questions that don't really have an answer. And trying to do that within the context of our faith. And for us, that's talking to theologians, experts like yourself when it comes to megaliths and folks that have written books and what we say put in the 10,000 hours, right? So there's quite a bit of experiential stuff that we produce on our show.

But there's about double that in what we consider expert interviews. So folks that have taken the time, spent the 10,000 hours to become an expert and written the books, done the research, been on the ground, and have their story to share. And that's a long answer. But Nate and I have been at it now for this is year three, Nate. and it's just been an amazing journey for us. I think you can't help but be changed and have your faith stretched and grow when you are diving into a lot of the weird stuff. And Nate mentioned Mike Heiser.

He really is a hero for us in this space, and we lost Mike this year. But he wrote what I believe is just a paradigm shifting book called The Unseen Realm. And Mike would tell you he didn't have any original ideas. he just compiled and stood on the shoulders of others, but he just compiled it, he organized it. And what it really is is about

putting the supernatural back into to the scriptures and to our faith. And I think that is, that, what's the word I'm looking for? That paradigm or that, that thesis is really, in a lot of ways where our show lands as well.

And we got a chance to become, interview Mike a few times, become good friends with him, Entrena. And I just, I think that we serve an infant God and there's, I think oftentimes we put him in our faith in a box that feels comfortable. But a lot of the things that we experience, a lot of things being talked about in mainstream media, a lot of the stones we can touch, like when we were just in Peru and you were in Egypt, and all the stones you can touch their stories there that you can find the context for

within the scripture. And I'll stop there. I've talked way too much. That's how the show came about. Incredible journey. That's crazy. Only three years you've been at this now. It probably feels a lot longer.

Maybe it doesn't. But like you said, you kind of started out as this Bigfoot podcast. And you often, for people who follow the blurry creatures on social media, they're crushing it on Instagram. They're all over YouTube, Twitter, all the places are X. But you've always, you know, you're usually featuring Bigfoot in your branding. You started out as a Bigfoot podcast. Like Nate's always saying, it's the gateway drug is Bigfoot. On your show, you've asked me and others, you know, what is your take on Bigfoot?

So I want to turn it to you guys. You've had three plus years to merit in on this. You've heard countless answers about. Bigfoot, I want to hear what do you guys personally believe? Again, I don't normally talk about Bigfoot, but I do live in the Pacific Northwest, and I have heard a lot of stories, including those from my grandpa back when he was hunting in the good old days. And they came up on this place in their camp where there was these massive footprints. And they were so taken back. They actually called authorities from the University of Washington who came out and plastered these.

So I grew up seeing these photographs of these plastered footprints and hearing the tales of Bigfoot. So I want to know from you guys, what is your personal take on what Bigfoot is? Who wants to start? I guess I'll go. Break it up a little here. You know, I think there's like the animal meter. If you were going to zero to 100, how animal lives.

like something is if it's, you know, there's certain animals out there that have sort of human qualities. There's, you know, people raise certain types of animals and they're smart and they can do things. And then there's just animals that are just dumb and walk and just do their thing and they're just very basic kind of, you know, basically just put it in the freezer, right? Kind of animal. But, you know, you have like dolphins and they're really smart, intelligent, things like that. I think Bigfoot definitely blows past the meter of what an animal can do and where it is on that. It's just, you do a show like this for a while, you just can't help, but realize that it's not in that. It's not in the zero to 100.

It's off the charts of kind of the weird stuff associated. Like, we just interviewed a guy who talked about how he was in his cabin sleeping one night. And Bigfoot creature put this vision into his mind. mind and he could see from the viewpoint of an actual Bigfoot. And basically this creature took over his senses. You know, before doing this podcast, I heard stories like this. Like people walk into, they get mind speak, they get something, something's communicating with them that's not using our traditional faculties of how you and I would communicate,

right? Like, if I could just beam my thoughts to you right now, you'd be like, what are we dealing with? And that's something, some of the stuff that comes along with Bigfoot. And there's all this association with UFOs and things. But that's hard for a lot of people. It's hard for a lot of people to accept that there is an unknown species out there, let alone a giant, you know, humanoid bipedal species, because usually we find little rodents or bugs or things that are new.

So you have to kind of, I don't know, you have to open your mind to it for a while, and then you have to kind of see the evidence and gather. Like you said, there's footprints. People have had all these stories. And I honestly, Derek, I'm surprised at how many people have had a Bigfoot experience. It's not, people will come on our show to talk about things not related to Bigfoot, but they have a Bigfoot experience. And you're like, what the heck?

How are so many people encountering this creature, this animal? And then, you know, there's different levels of sidings. There's like the A sidings, the B sidings, and there's, you know, they go all the way down. And people have, not a lot of people have like a good high quality, like A siding. They're like standing face to face with this creature, but some people do. And the weird bizarre stuff that happens in around that is undeniable. And I think I feel that Bigfoot has sort of multiple types of DNAs going on. It's sort of primate on one hand.

And the other hand, it might have some of this nephalum DNA in it where it can do things that defy our abilities and skills. Bigfoot seems to be able to walk from our world to somewhere else. He seems to be able to disappear. There's so many weird stories where you see it and then you don't see it. You shoot it. Nothing happens. What is that? How is it able to do that?

You follow tracks and they're gone. Sort of this mystery. And I think if it was just an animal, we would have pulled it out of the woods already because it would have been dumb enough to get killed. But it seems to a little. avoid game cams. It seems to have sort of a knowledge and a feeling of what's around it. So I don't think you see Bigfoot. I think Bigfoot, you know, most of the time Bigfoot finds you. And every once in a while, I think maybe you do get a dumb one. Maybe there are less intelligent ones, right?

And they happen to be like, oh crap, I don't have my smoke. I don't have my smokescreen on. I got to like, whoop. And I'm gone, right? Like, I think sometimes they forget what they're doing, but they're curious. They look in people's windows. They're out there. They kind of study us. So I think it's, I don't know, it's in a classification of its own, and we can only speculate what that is and where it comes from. But that's sort of the best answer I can come up with right now is that it's off the charts in terms of just an animal. No, I think if you're not in the space, right, if you're kind of new to the Bigfoot world,

maybe you've watched Finding Bigfoot, right? Which is really really that it's the big platform. Everybody's kind of maybe seen an episode or two. Spoiler alert, they don't find Bigfoot. There's something very, like Nate would say, Nate did say, there's something very strange about this animal in the sense that there's very much a physical aspect to it, right? It leaves footprints. Jeff Meldrum, we brought out on the show, Dr. Jeff Meldrum is probably the,

world renowned or foremost expert on this on this creature has got thousands of casted footprints he has a casted butt print and we made some jokes in the show about that that was fun but this thing is physical enough to leave leave evidence right but then in the bigfoot world there's two camps there's this whole like nature there's this whole it's 100% animal it's it's like a remnant of gigantic Pythicus right it's this very elusive eight north of American ape, although it's seen across the planet in some version or another, so it just can't be a North American eight. It doesn't really make a lot of sense. But the other camp is what they like to call Wu, which has all this sort of connotation that goes with it, right? But what that is saying is there are all these really weird things that happen around Bigfoot. As Nate said, there's orb lights and UFO activity. We talked to a Navajo Ranger who was a 30-year Ranger on the Res, and he has stories about tracking Bigfoot. foot and the footprint's disappearing. And, I mean, not into a river or just disappearing, stopping.

They're gone and they're tracking it along, you know, a dry creek bed. It doesn't, they just disappear, right? And you've got stories about people, you know, raising weapons and it disappears, like dematerializes. Not that they looked away and then looked back and it's gone. But there's something very odd and strange and really, and I don't love the term supernatural, but something along the lines of that that. We talked to Ron Moorhead, and he has all this really crazy samurai chatter, and all of his experiences included all these light orbs.

I don't know if there's any other animals that have that sort of phenomenon with it, right? You've got glow in the dark algae and stuff like that, but not like what's being described. I think there's just too many odd experiences with this for it to be just an elusive animal. And as Nate said, we do discover species, new species all the time, but like they're always really small for the most part. There's their little rodents or bugs or tiny birds, right, that these things would allude because of their size and their remoteness. Not in the same way, Bigfoot is so large.

The footprints are, there's something very strange. And we talked about Mike Heiser. Mike famously in our show, we quote that he said that, you know, if just one of these experiences, it's true, then it changes the whole paradigm. And I think there are enough of these to say, Not everybody who's telling the story is on some kind of weird psychedelic trip or making it up or looking for attention. These did happen. And it wasn't in their heads.

So there's too much weird things around Bigfoot for it to be just a flesh and blood creature, especially because people can find all the evidence, but no one's yet to bring a body out of the woods. That's a really strange situation. I don't know how you, that's a juxtaposition that's tough, right? You find out the footprints and you can see all the evidence, but no one can pull a body out. That's weird. And one of the other parts of the Bigfoot story is it seems to be, there are interactions where it doesn't, it's not terrifying. Yeah, it's weird.

That is. So it seems to sometimes be a neutral character and sort of the paranormal space, which most of the time, if you look into these things, most of the other things that people see are kind of terrifying and seeing evil in nature. Bigfoot's like almost some people even go as far as to say sort of the protector of the woods which There's benevolent experiences like saving kids from drowning or like you these kids like the politest paradigm right where these kids disappear and they're like well I spent the night with a bear and took care of me and you're like that doesn't that doesn't really make any sense um yeah there's a spectrum though right Nate like I mean you have you do have all these really terrifying experiences with with Sasquatch um but there's a also this whole benevolent pickfoot paradigm as well. So it has a personality. That's the weird part. It's weird. I, so I guess the answer is,

and angry one day. Yeah. He's your friend the next. Who knows? Sounds like your, sounds like your crazy uncle, right? I mean, it's like, no, I think that's, yeah, right? I don't know. I think as the show barrels on, Nate, it's like a human there's good and bad there's a there's a wide gamut of of different types of human personality sometimes humans will save a stranger right someone's choking in a restaurant someone will save

their life someone you know you have this uh good samaritan stories all the time of people helping people and then you have that with you have good samaritan stories with bigfoot which is really strange it's so strange so people want to classify it people want to put it in a category and it seems like the stories blow the boxes wide open more and more that you get into the space.

Which leads into all the other creatures we talk about on the show. So Bigfoot is just the beginning. And then we started realizing there's this whole alternate history. There's other weird blurry creatures out there. And Luke and I couldn't stay in the Bigfoot space for too long. But we come back and dip our toes in every once in a while with a good story. Water's always warm, man. It's always warm.

Who knows? Sometimes it's nice to go back to a sort of a casual Bigfoot experience and not some of this crazier stuff that we get into on our show. I would say I think there's there's we talk about interdimension yeah we're talking about portals at some point but like the idea of interdimensionality that's kind of where I'm landing lately I just I think there's too many stories of these things of footprints disappearing and just being a there's some very famous yetty footprints that if you you can Google on a mountain range in the Himalayas that just go nowhere they stop in the snow that that kind of stuff is

tough. Like, and people push back and have a hard time with the idea of, I mean, mathematically we can prove their dimensions, but the idea that things can phase in and out. I mean, perhaps that's what's happening here. I think that isn't as crazy as it sounds based upon the body of evidence, at least for me. Well, let's get into some of these other creatures that you referenced, because you started with Bigfoot, like you said, and then you started to branch out into all these other

topic. So let's talk about one of our favorite subjects, which is giants, nephalim, cryptids. You guys have been posting some crazy photographs and videos recently on Instagram and stuff of these giant footprints in Texas. And I think even Montana that people have been sending to you, you did an episode on it just recently as well. Give us a little breakdown of these giant, what you're calling our humanoid footprints, some of the details about them. And then let's get into this topic. So here's a book called The Valley of the Giants. This is a book from the 70s.

And someone posted some pictures out of this book. Basically, these guys found in the Texas sort of bedrock on this creek, the Glen Rose area, you know, he had all these dinosaur footprints and these giant man tracks that were sort of fossilized in the ground. And, you know, as well as I do, there's these footprints that have been left in stone all of the world. And, you know, we've been told this narrative that this stuff takes millions of years to fossilize and all this other thing. But you realize that it's not true. They find fossilized tools from, they find fossilized toys. They find fossilized everything now. We kind of realize that that it doesn't take very long. So anyway, all that to say is,

uh, sometimes you find some good tracks and you're like, whoa, this is, this, this is actually proves that something stepped here. And Travis Roy from Giants of Ancient America lives down in that area and I was like, hey, have you seen this book? And he goes, no. I'm like, well, you know, this dinosaur state park down near you used to have giant man tracks in there. So he goes down and he investigates and he found a bunch, a bunch really good footprints. Some of these are 24 inches long, some big guys. You know, we're talking, you know, 30%, 40% bigger than Shaq's shoe. So it's not a typical human being down there. And sometimes in the book it documents there's up to 50 tracks that they found right alongside dinosaur tracks.

And like Luke and I said on that episode, it creates a lot of problems because here you have, you have humanoid creatures and dinosaurs existing at the same time. You have giant humans existing. And it blows a hole in a lot of these narratives. So in the 80s, there's this conspiracy where the guys said, hey, there used to be signs in this area that said, here's caveman tracks. and Travis went to the local creation museum and they're like, yeah, well, I was actually

went to the ranger station and asked them, say, hey, in the 70s, they used to have signs out here. But flash forward, they started the state park and it's late 80s, and he's like, they're gone. And they destroyed these tracks. They kind of chiseled out the toes and they made sure that those disappeared. But he said, I took all the signs out of the park

and put them in the shed over here. So, like you know, there's this, conspiracy to kind of whitewash history and tell us this sort of PG version of what happened. And these things are millions of years old. But you can see all these different types of dinosaurs and humanoid creatures walking together. And so we posted a bunch of those. We all shared it, actually, between the three accounts. So if you're interested, you can go to any of our Instagram accounts and see these footprints and even some film of them.

And they're still there, Derek. They're massive. and some of them are six inches into the ground, hard to fake. But, you know, we also get them from time to time, like you said. Someone sent us one from Montana. It was sort of been more of a harder stone. But that track was twice the size of a normal human foot. You can see it outlined.

And just awesome. I tried to buy it off the guy, had him ship it to us. But whoever, the Stone Mason said that the customer wouldn't part with it. So, dude, it's fascinating. There's proof that the Giants were here in America. And Travis, who has this account basically dedicated just to Giants, was luckily just 30 minutes away. How lucky is that? You know, and I think that it's, you just have to have the right conditions to preserve these.

Something walked through the muddy river that day. And then it happened to fossilize. But there's a lot of tracks. Normally we only get one or two tops. there's dozens there and they're still there. I think I've always heard about the dinosaur tracks down there in Texas and even heard that there was human footprints side by side, but I had never heard that they were giant footprints.

And if I'm not mistaken, in the photos and videos that you've posted with Travis, you can still see, I think, the toe details in one of them and so that's crazy that you're saying on a lot of these they went in the authorities I'm assuming and chiseled out the toes to make it look like it was just a dinosaur track yeah if you see that one there that's a 23 inch track and that was documented in the 70s and this is this book there's four editions of this book right it's not it's not really you have to Nate's got a hard copy there's but there was a fourth edition and this is before it became dinosaur valley state park this before it became a government run space. Some of these footprints fall outside the park, which is where you kind of, you get lucky, right? You can, some of these aren't within the confines.

And as Nate said, all of the, all the original signage around these has disappeared. But the tracks are still there. And this is actually the same place where they had, I believe it's the same place where they have the dinosaur track and the human footprint that interact, right? And that's been, that's now at a museum. I think that's the same. The Creation Museum has it. Yeah, but I came from the same area.

This is previous to being a state park. But these are like, this is not a single track. These are a line of footprints, giant footprints. And in our episode, like Nate said, we talk about how big these are compared us into them like, Shacks, size 22, right? Which was a huge deal. And if when we were all kids and Shaquille O'Neill, House and Junior High, I remember I had a Orlando Magic starter jacket.

That was, you know, these. These are, this is great evidence and of course it's being whisked away. I think not unlike some of the things that you come across in Egypt when you have these narratives that get pushed. And so things that are outside or don't work with the narrative, either get disappeared or there's a really bad explanation for what's going on here. And this part is be very hard to have a bad explanation. The best thing they can do is destroy. and they've tried to destroy some of the tracks, so they're unrecognizable.

But there's really good footprints with measurements from the 70s. Travis has been out there and found the ones that are still out there and existing. And I think luckily, you know, not luckily there's a drought, because there's been a drought in Texas, some of these things were preserved because they're underwater. And now with things drying up, a lot of these tracks are being exposed again. and part of that is now you're able to find these giant footprints

which are very inconvenient for a lot of mainstream narratives that would say there were never giant humanoid creatures that somehow there's a lot of the same strata as dinosaurs which supposedly lived you know magnitude of millions of years ago according to that narrative and then you have how are they in the same strata how does that even it doesn't work for that so there's incentive there, right?

If you're a proponent of a certain narrative to make some of these things disappear. It appears a state park did some of that. Not our conspiracy hat on because all this stuff has been, there are signs and stories and photos and all of the stuff that has existed at one point and now it's conveniently not there in a lot of places it was. Yeah, so you're saying even back, was it in the 70s or 80s, they had official state park signs or whatever that said caveman prince. Yeah.

It's in the book. You can see the signs in the book. And, you know, I think that in the late 70s, you know, some of these theories that they've been pushing in school kind of took kind of step past the theory and became sort of more of like this is the, this is what we teach. This is the fact. This is how this is human origins. And this is the timeline when all this stuff kind of happened. And I get it. You know, I get people who have been steeped deep into that kind of modern sciop of, you know, we don't talk about theories.

This is, you can't talk about any other ideas of how humans might have rolled onto the scene. And you have to make this stuff disappear, but it's all in this book. I find it on eBay. You can't even, you can't even really find it anywhere. And luckily I found it. But you can't go to archive.org and look it up. It's called Valley of the Giants by Dr. Doherty, C.N. Doherty. and you can kind of look at it.

See some photos. It's pretty cool. It's kind of like that late 70s feel. And see for yourself that there are little glimpses of some dudes that got blurry back in the 70s and we're trying to document it the best they could. They didn't have the tools we have today to kind of get the word out. Now you can post a photo or a podcast about this

and millions of people can tune in and listen to like, hey, there's this alternate history that these guys documented back in the day. and but like Travis has been doc it's just been happening since the mid-1800s they were digging up these things and writing about it newspapers and like Luke said if just one of them's true it blows the hole in all this and you know giantism's one in a million so we know that there wasn't just a ton of people that are that had giantism disease just being buried all over the place I mean that it's crazy with me running around yeah So between the three of us, I think we talk about the creatures. You guys, you talk more about the construction and Travis talks more about the historical accounts of these things being dug up. So I think it's a good trifecta and Zelda would be happy. There you go, yeah. I want to ask you guys about in a minute, I want you to kind of give me a quick picture of how you envision kind of this ancient,

golden age pre-flood pre-genesis 6 world but before I ask you that so you have a minute to think about that I want to ask you about this viral reptilian airplane clip

that came out a couple of weeks ago now and I think you posted a video of this gal in the plane that's freaking out talking to the reptilian you got like 6 million views on that oh my Yeah.

It's a little ridiculous. This is my favorite meme that we've done. Well, maybe I was like, Luke kind of gets the credit for this? He does. Well, I mean, it was kind of like a hype. Luke was like, hey, Nate, have you heard it? We were in Peru of all places. Driving through Megalus and we're talking about famous YouTube videos.

And he's like, have you seen the snake? But it wasn't like when we were in college, right? So like, I was in college in the early 2000. I graduated in 04 from my undergrad. So, you know, baby YouTube, right? And then thereafter, like, the, videos that went kind of viral. I remember coming home watching the redubbed over PSAs of the 80s of the GI Joe PSAs,

which were funny. But we were in the car and I was asking Nate if he'd seen this video of this guy. And he puts his hat on and says he's a snake. You're like, I'm a snake. I'm a snake. And I hadn't seen it. And so we pulled it up. We're Peru.

And then it kind of just became like the running joke until like my wife was just like, you have to stop saying that. it's not funny anymore but I still thought it was funny instead of Nate so essentially then this whole thing and this reptile or this lady you know who's now been outed she has this viral video right of her basically saying this guy's not real he's not real and it is this whole idea of this reptile he's a reptilian or and so Nate of course being just the meme master we had we had had this idea for the meme to be like instead a meme about the Garden of Eden and it would be like you know the serpent's

first attempt to try to try to get out try to try to try to get out try to try to try to attempt eve and it doesn't work right because it's obviously not a snake and we thought that's pretty funny we're kind of working through that and in this video hit and they sent me the idea and was like what if we what if we just had it paned to the back and then there's the the snake guy from the early 2000 saying I'm a snag. It worked so well. You know it's doing well and people hate it because they're like, you know, you guys are like whatever, whatever. But I thought it was just, I still think it's funny.

I don't, I probably watched it. I probably have, you know, 10 of those, whatever, 6 million views are me, just watching it, making my wife watch it again. She's like, I'm done watching it. And you're like, no, you're not. This is really good. It was, you guys hit the zeitgeist of that. moment with with the woman talking about the reptilian on the plane. Yeah.

And then that guy with his fake impersonation was just too much. Like I probably watched it 500 times. I think that's like what Luke and I try to do is make this stuff accessible. We make fun of ourselves. We make fun of, you know, everyone who's just really, really too serious. The content is serious. Like we're talking about matters, but there's a way to make it fun and interesting. And every once in a while, it's like,

all right get somebody curious about what you're talking about with a fun meme instead of next episode coming you know and having just this overall like just unrelatable seriousness to it all so i think that's what we try to do but yeah that meme it was sort of a magical moment i can't believe it's over six million plays and need tell the story though because we haven't ever told us on air about about your buddy who works with the actual snake guy this is amazing Derek so i launched this meme and my buddy messaged me on my private Instagram account he goes, hey,

great meme. I work with the snake guy. And I'm like, what? I'm like, I work at a marketing company. He runs like Wendy's Twitter and a bunch of other things. He's actually pretty famous guy that nobody knows, but

he'll still do cameos in the snake hat if you want. So I almost paid for a cameo for a snake hat to send it to Luke. Like, just like, dude, the snake guy has seen the meme. Yeah, he saw the meme and he thought it was awesome. So the actual, I'm a snake guy. Nate's buddy works with the guy and he saw it and he gave us a stamp approval.

So, yeah, that never happens. You guys got all kinds of connections. I mean, even with the snake guy. It's kind of like, dude, so I know we're past it forward, but we went to Peru, you know, we were to talk about at some point, but in like the all 80s. of 80s moments. We're flying back from Peru. Yeah.

And it's the last leg of our flight. We land in Florida and we take a flight from Miami back to Nashville. We both live in the Nashville area. And on our flight is Vanelle Ice. He's the last guy on the plane. And we're like, what a cap to the end of an 80s-themed podcast to be coming back from looking at all the megalithic marvels in Peru and talking about all of the untold history.

And then having, you know, Mr. Van Winkle. on our flight. Yeah. It just is so apropos. Wow. Did you get to say hi to him? No. We were exhausted.

Some of the good people on our flight did. But I just, you know, you recognize him because you're like, I know that guy from somewhere. And you're like, dude, that's vanilla ice, man. Let's, you know, quick to the point. The point, no faking, right? Waxing MCs like a pound of bacon. Yeah. On the way back from Peru, you run into vanilla ice.

the airplane. That's just too coincidental. Two blurry creatures, man. We try. We try. We should. You know, it's just a, I don't know. Like Nate said, we, you know, I think we like to laugh and we like to have a good time. And so part of what we do, ancillary to talking about the serious stuff and exposing the darkness is to, you know, like poke fun at things, put fun at ourselves mostly. And, and wrap it in an 80s, you know, in 80s, you know, in 80s, blanket and because we're kids of the 80s right and i for whatever reason that's i think that's

resonates with folks especially in our age bracket you know in sort of our in our era um there's a lot of nostalgia to that and then it's just a there's a fun element to making very serious things uh and discussions about very serious things a little more approachable and so yeah you know you mean Memes are going to be a funny thing. And we're, you know, hundreds of years past this. People, you're reading hieroglyphics right now, Derek, in Egypt, you know, and people will be like, man, these guys, this is a pretty good meme. They did back in old 20-23.

But who know? I'm going to grab something from my, I'm a bit of a collector myself when it comes to a vintage 80s and 70s stuff. So I'm going to grab something and show you here on the screen. But while I'm grabbing that, I want you guys to tell me when it comes to the 80s, what was your favorite thing from the 80s, whether it was a song or show, whether it was a toy that you played with? What was one of your favorite things from the 80s? I'll be right back.

Man, the 80s. What are you even starting? I mean, I have a film, right? Nothing, really. The NES, dude. I remember the first day my brother got a Nintendo entertainment system. I still remember sitting in the family room. he busted out that with Mario Brothers.

He put it in and hit the play. And we just began just like, I was probably maybe six years old watching Mario Brothers on TV for the first time, which just blew my mind. And that was the, I mean, we had like crappy,

like I think it was like Calico. It was like a really, yeah, it was like a worst version of Atari before that. So when the Nintendo hit, it literally was like, the station wagon

that we were rolling around in forever and then someone rolled in with like an escalade and you were like, what is this? That was the Nintendo, man. It was just mind-blowing. But that was the moment, that was like my first real big moment in the 80s. That and watching Back to the Future.

I was going to say it's film, right? The Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, the Goonies. Like, there's so many great karate kid. There's so many great 80s films that just you remember, in some ways it's like putting on, you know, I think there are like records to periods of our lives, like where you put in, at least for me I put in, put on songs or put on CDs. I don't really have CDs anymore, but put on, you know, stream the songs and it takes

you back to that time, you know, for me, it was these different times of my life where I was like, that was the soundtrack for that, for that year. And I think film in that way reminds me of of the 80s. And, yeah, I mean, watching Back to the Future for the first time, Goonies. I mean, I remember Indiana Jones is like my most favorite. Like, I remember watching, you know, gosh, I mean, all of them, didn't really like the Temple of Doom, but the other two especially were. And all this to say is, like, we use a lot of 80s stuff to market our show all the time just because we needed a theme. we needed some music so we put like synth wave on our shows a lot we have like a stranger things vibe

we use like old artwork from the 80s to like marketed like what we rehashed just about every brand and vibe and style from that so that's how we used to kind of give the show some marketing luca told me to make one of those 80s baseball hats with like the bubble letter and uh do we send that on a hat we need to get a fresh one we got the original we need to get a them the original. Oh, we need to get you when it's all bubbled out. It's like the Chicago Bulls hat from like the late 80s, early 90s. It's all puffed out.

It took me like two days just to track down that font. It's kind of like the, it's the Clark Griswold Chicago Bears hat from Christmas vacation, right, except it's bubbled. Anyway, so, yeah, I mean, 80s, if you're a kid of the 80s or if you're not and you appreciate the 80s, it was just a different, you know, it was a, it's all part of our childhood. Yeah, it was a, it was a. it was a magical season, right? I mean, that's, I think, part of what makes the blurry verse unique is your marketing of the 80s, whether it's back to the future.

I mean, that movie was one of my absolute favorites. You mentioned the Goonies, Indiana Jones, all those, the music. And then there was the toys. I'm going to show you guys two things from my collection here. Let me know if you can. This one might be a little bit more rare for guys. who played with action figures in the 80s, but do you remember these?

Dude, I do remember that. Is that GoBots? What is that? This is actually a rock lord. Dude, I remember those things, man, turn into rocks. I haven't thought about that and, I mean, we're old, but it's... It was crazy. I played this, I literally played with this back in the 80s.

My mom found this in the garage several months ago and gave it to me. I hadn't seen this thing for how long. And it like, it teleported me back into the 80s. It was so insane.