Megalithic Marvels - Hugh Newman: Olmec Origins Part 2 - Artifacts & Elongation

Episode Date: February 9, 2021

Megalithic Marvels founder Dee Olson sits down with author & explorer Hugh Newman to discuss the mystery surrounding the Olmec civilization & their strange artifacts.  SHOW NOTES Instagram: Perspolis photo Youtube Video Version  Music: “Designer Synth” is by iMovie and is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution license and is provided in the iMovie App from Apple, Inc." 

Well, welcome, everyone. Thanks so much for joining us. Dee Olson of Magnific Marvels here to reconstruct the prehistoric past with you. So in this episode, I feature part two of a recent interview that I did with author and explorer Hugh Newman regarding the origins of the mysterious Omec civilization, the artifacts they left behind, and the enigma is concerning their skull elongation. but before we get to the interview, I want to tell you about a very rare photo that we recently featured on our Instagram account of a relatively unknown location over in the Middle East of Iran at an ancient site called Persepolis. Persepolis means the city of the Persians. Declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1979, Persepolis was the capital of the Acomanded Empire around 550 to 330 BC. Now usually when you see photos of this site, you see these large columns, large pillars, and depictions of these winged lion hybrid type men, which are all awesome to see in their

own right. Yet there's something even more amazing to behold in these. So most people do not know that all of this appears, what I just described. to have been built on a much larger and much more ancient megalithic platform, which you really rarely see in photographs, surprisingly. And a friend of Megalithic Marvels on Instagram recently sent me this incredible photo of himself standing in front of one of the bases of this platform, this megalithic platform. It's literally monstrous, it's interlocking.

You can see it's a megalithic mortarline. and some of the stones way upwards of 70 tons each. Truly mind-blowing to see. So just search for Megalithic Marvels on Instagram or you can click the link below in the show notes of this podcast to see this photograph. Well, let's get to part two of Omec Origins with Hugh Newman now. Well, I am excited to be joined by author and researcher Hugh Newman.

today, Hugh has written several books such as stone circles, Megalithic Studies in Stones, and Giants on a record, among others. Hugh, thanks so much for joining me today. Yes, thanks for having me on, I appreciate it. In your video series, and again, for our audience, you've got to go to Megalithomania YouTube channel and check out Hughes video series on the Omec recently. But you feature so many great, you know,

Omec artifacts from the Mexican. City Museum of Anthropology. I want to ask you about a couple of them, but was there one that just fascinated you most in the Mexico City Museum there? There's quite a lot there, to be honest with you. They've got a good selection there. It's quite impressive, actually. They've got, you know, because they've got two Amec heads. What one fascinating me the most, to be honest with you, I don't, I don't, I mean, Monument 19 is probably the most fascinating in Olmec's artifact carving of them all because it depicts what looks like a gentleman in profile holding one of those man bags with a serpent, a plume serpent going around him.

He looks like he's in some kind of device, almost like the lid of Palenca, like Lord Percals 2. So that is absolutely fascinating. And I think the original was on display in that museum. They have a copy at Leventa site and a copy at Leventa, Bilahamosa, the park there. But that is really interesting and that has all sorts of symbolism. And that's the oldest depiction of a plume serpent. And this was then became big, big kind of religious thing in Mayan, Toltec, mixed tech, Teotakan and Aztec worlds after that.

So they may have been the first to kind of bring this tradition of the plume serpent or Kessel, Ku Kluxle, or different names given to him by different cultures. And that really became stronger in Toltec types. So the fact that you've got the original piece there with all the symbolism that was way before anything else is really, really interesting. It's also the quality of the stone carving is insane. It's like what you find in the peak of stone technology in Egypt. You're finding that here.

This is what I think there's a connection because you look at the style, quality of stonework as well. But if you go to the National Anthropology Museum in Mexico City, you've got Olmechead, you've got one of their great. one of the tombs made of these basalt columns found from Leventa you've got you've got the tux la statuette which is like a jadeite piece like this big you know it's like this big and that was found not at a particularly onmec site but it's got all these calendar carvings on it and so forth with this sort of cleft lip and this sort of half man half kind of animal and there's also one called the

wrestler as well which is almost like this um asian looking gentleman kind of in a yoga pose almost like it's started to wrestle but he's got a moustache the beard um and it's just one piece of stone but it's carved beautifully it's about three feet tall and so there's a few amazing pieces that's worth checking out but if people want to see a whole load of olmec stuff in europe at the moment there's a big exhibition going in paris where many of these um many of these OMAC kind of pieces have been moved to. So how about a museum and some pieces from the National Museum of Apology, Mexico City are over there at the moment.

So some of them aren't there in Mexico. So it's worth noting that if you're going to be in Mexico. There's a few pieces that are missing. Yeah, I was fascinated by several of these artifacts that you referenced in the museum. Yeah, the wrestler that looks clearly oriental. you've got i think there was a guy named almano or an artifact named elmano who's got this big elongated skull and then there was all the little jade miniature uh figurines it seemed to have really large elongated skulls and then i think you called it column two it was like a humanoid looking figure that had those

bulbous features you would say with almost sunglasses he was wearing do you think there might the skulls elongation of the of the omic could that have been more than just cradle headboarding could there be genetic markers in there maybe like we see in paracas peru with some of those skulls possible yeah that's one thing worth considering the problem with this part of the world is the humid kind of climate here just destroys all the bones and so there's very few skulls some have survived but these are from later than the olmec times but there are some other skulls found further south, they have obvious signs of cranial deformation, trappanning, and some likely find in Pyrrachus, different parts of pleuroblivia,

are oversized elongation. It's like they're much bigger, wider, or longer than they should be, if it was a normal skull being altered from birth. And so this has raised quite a few questions, and there's some very strange looking skulls, which really have no explanation. We know the star child skull, I believe, was found in Mexico. and that's caused a huge sensation. There's a very similar one in Paracas in Peru. And so, yeah, I mean, one of, there is a whole ancient aliens element to this that a lot of people talk about. That the fact that the Olmeculture just emerged from nowhere, it just was fully fledged, fully advanced, stone carving technology, just arrived.

Boom, they knew what they were doing and they influenced all the cultures thereafter. that they brought a very sophisticated calendar with them. There's proof now that they invented a long-count calendar that supposedly ended on December the 21st, 2012. There's also evidence that they invented the Zulkin, sacred 260-day calendar, which represents the gestation cycle, but it's also the sacred calendar.

And they kind of synchronise every 52 years, which is when they would rebuild people, pyramids, the whole fire ceremony and so forth. And so there's a lot of these things that got taken from the Olme into the Mayan world. They were obviously a big influence. Whether the skulls are naturally like that is just a big mystery. No one really knows.

But there's so many depictions of this elongation that either they were all cradle boarding themselves or they just looked like that. Is it true that no skeletons of the Olmec have been found that we know of? not officially I mean because of you know further south yes in actual

Olmec land very few bones are being found because of the climate the humidity the dampness just disintegrates the bones

unfortunately so it's very so that is a pity because but they have found Olmec sites like Chalka Zingo which is south

the Mexico City you've got Clatilco in Mexico City which has been destroyed now You've got Zachatatatatat. That's also South of Mexico City and Aquarovaca, the town city.

And you've got Chimalakutland and other sites, which appeared. Some of them have got bones and skeletons from. Some of them are elongated skulls. But we don't know if they're original Olmec skulls and bones and skeletons. So there's a big question mark about that still. It was very interesting in your, I think it was your last video you posted about the Omecs in the Mexico City Museum of Anthropology

there was like two humanoid type looking skulls I think you said they might have dated to 5,000 BC one almost looked chrome magnum like are those related in any way to Omec or do you think that's totally separate?

I'm not sure because I think they were found near Pueblo which is that was an Omec area but because of the dating officially the earlier than the Olmec, but they're unusual because that type of scarlet type of feature wasn't supposed to be in Mexico at that time. So they're an anomaly. But there are other skulls in the museum which are fully elongated, some that have got giant jaws, like we find with some of the giants that would

be researching. And these ones almost seem like they're anomalous. You know, who were these people, where they kind of explorers or travelers from different culture, where they connect with Kessel Poitouette, the tradition say that he arrived potentially that long ago because the official long-count calendar who the Olmex worked with first dates to 3,114 BC. So that's 5,000 years ago, even though these could be older than that. And so, yeah, who they were, we don't know, but they're one of the anomalies. I mean, imagine what else is hidden down in, you know, the basements, the back rooms, museums. What we're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.

One more question about the Omex. You've written and talked about in some of your presentations about, I think it's the quinamensian giants of the Gulf Coast of Mexico. And there's even this old drawing of locals killing one. There's old newspaper reports, I believe, about 13 and 15 foot, like giant skeletons being found in this area. Could that giant tribe be connected to the Omex in any way, or is that separate as well?

No, it could be. It could be. There is, I mean, some people even think the quinamets and giants are the Olmex. That is one of the, that is, it's very confusing. I've been looking into, me and JJ have been looking into this actually, looking into the different, the old, the five worlds of the Aztecs and the Mayans talked about. And before them, and they're going back to different worlds, there was a, and there were different destruction, different types of destruction. One of the oldest worlds was where, the quinamets and giants. They built places like Tiwotakan, Chaloo and other sites. And they got destroyed by a flood. But other stories say, an interpretation suggests they were actually destroyed and killed off by the Olmex when they came in. And so we just started looking into this

and we're looking at different theories on this. So whether they were the same people we don't know, but they might have been separate cultures, battling each other, the quinametson are really interesting the image you talk about is from codex vaticanus and that shows a whole bunch of locals just basically killing a giant

and tearing his guts out, things like this and it's pretty scary. But they go back to a really early era this idea of the quidimates and officially in tradition they were the builders of Teotakum. They were the builders of Chalula which then got taken over and became a Ketal-Kuaatel dedicated plume serpent pyramid.

They were even linked with Tlaalog, the rain god, amongst other things. He was, he became famous really later, because of the Tlauac statue which was found in Lake Texcoco, was an Aztec thing,

even though it's dated earlier than the Aztecs. He was around at the time of Teowatka, at least 2,000 years ago, because he's actually depicted there multiple times on the Pyramid of Kessel as well as other statues. And he was said to be the king or the

leader of the quinametsin giants. So he was a giant himself clearly and he's depicted as so. Interestingly, there are other statues about Tio or Takam. There's one that was the consort of Clalok. It's either he or she, they're not sure. That was outside the moon pyramid at the very end of the site. And that's a quinametsin giant as well. They're also called the quinine's or the quinametsia slightly different names to them. But these go back very far in tradition. And even Hernan Cortes, when he came over in 1519, he heard stories about the giants.

He was even shown a giant bone. He had one in his possession, which was supposedly sent back to Spain. But what happened to that, we don't know. Then we have all these news accounts of giants all across Mexico, up to 15 feet tall, giant bones, skulls, teeth, other such things. All along Baja, California, you get it,

get it up in a Sonora Desert. We wrote about the Sonora story with Paxon Hayes and from the Smithsonian in our book Giants on record. And we're now, I'm currently just, I'm working on further writing projects. One of them is going to be focused on Mexico, Olmex, but I'm looking at the giants of Mexico as a kind of focus. So there's a lot going on with that here. All the early traditions talk about this. Very strongly, all the Spanish concubes. the doors. They heard about it when they came over because the Aztecs were telling them all these old

stories of these giants. And so there's definitely something in that. And yeah, and it goes down into Guatemala. I'll be show photos from Honduras of a giant skeleton that may have been found at Kapan. So even into Mayan times and Aztec times, some of these giants still existed. Well, this has been a fascinating interview, Hugh. Thanks so much for all your time today. And for those listening or watching, make sure and follow Hugh. He's on Instagram at Hugh Newman 1, I believe. We just posted a couple of his photos from Mexico. Follow the Megalithomania Facebook group.

Great group to jump in and see all of his videos. And then what's the Megalithomania website, Hugh? Just megalithamania.com.uk. Dot co.com. that's got links to his books and i'm really excited about it sounds like your upcoming books so man thanks again for your time keep up the great work and we'll do this again hopefully in the future all right thanks a lot they appreciate it well i hope you enjoyed my interview with hugh please subscribe to this podcast from wherever you are listening and if it was on itunes please

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