Megalithic Marvels - King of the Jinns, Lord Pakal & Ancient Apocalypse 2 Ep 6 Review

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

The second season of the much anticipated and highly controversial Ancient Apocalypse docuseries has been released on Netflix featuring author and explorer Graham Hancock. This season focuses on ancient sites located in the Americas, and Graham opens the season asking “Could the key to discovering a lost civilization of the Ice Age lie here in the Americas?” In this episode, I recap episode 6 with special guest Rhys Rogers, a fellow researcher, explorer and physiotherapist. Together, we share our thoughts on episode 6 which finds Graham Hancock visiting one of Mexico's most mysterious Mayan archaeological sites - Palenque. Rhys and I break down the fascinating information that was shared in epsiode 6 relating to the Mayan calendar, and how Maya architecture seems to have been a repository of ancient knowledge, linking heaven and earth. We also dive into topics not covered in the Ancient Apocalypse episode, such as the mystery surrounding King Pakal of Palenque. What he really 7+ ft tall? What happened to his skull? And Rhys shares a bit about his recent trip to Morocco where he unexpectedly learned of a local legend regarding the "King of the Jinns," and a mystical shrine on top of the mountain dedicated to this entity. FOLLOW RHYS ROGERS 2025 PERU &/or EASTER ISLAND TOUR

Stargate Voyager. Well, I am very excited to be joined by a fellow researcher, traveler, kind of friend now, Reese Rogers. He's also a men's health expert in physiotherapy. He does healing martial arts and all kinds of crazy stuff. We did an episode together a couple months ago on some of his very interesting travels throughout Peru. and we've followed each other on Instagram for a while and and so it's just been cool connecting with him. But Reese, how you doing, man? Hello, Derek.

Yeah, great to be here. I'm really good. Really, really good. Awesome to be back on the show and talking to you and catching up. Great to have you back. You're always traveling. You were just in Morocco and I was admiring the painting behind you that you said your grandfather painted like, did you say 40 years ago from Morocco? this would be yeah in the mid-80s so 40 years ago a little bit more

he's a he's a artist Welsh artist he was commissioned by the Welsh Arts Council to go out to Morocco and explore and paint the landscape paint the culture and the people so this is one of the one of the pieces here the man's tilling soil with his horse in front of the Casbah in the desert Morocco still very much looks like that in a lot of places it's quite raw and feels unexplored. Yeah, I love the place. So your grandfather and maybe even this painting,

I'm assuming it kind of was part of your inspiration to explore and travel and you've gone down the rabbit hole of ancient megaliths. So was that a little bit of your story there? I would say definitely. My grandfather's house was always full of weird and wonderful things, you know, trinkets and items that he bought back from travels and you just have an old Zulu spear in the house and he was also a scuba diver and you have lots of like exoskeletons of lobsters and crabs in display cases, all different things that he collected from those travels.

And he's actually been quite interested over the years about my, my megalithic journeys and adventures. So I often report back to him when I get back from my. travels and get to chat about the things I've seen and show him some of the architecture that I've discovered and stumbled upon so yeah definitely the explorers the explorers spirit is in the blood very cool again Reese thanks for joining me again for everybody listening or watching look back on the episode list and find the episode called ancient sights and strange lights and that's the one recent i did a couple months back where I was really, he was sharing some just incredible, interesting stories of his time in the Sacred Valley of Peru.

And he gets into some Stargates, government demolition of inner earth entrances, even strange lights in the sky. I mean, it was very captivating. So check that episode out and follow Reese on Instagram. What's your handle? Chi Physio, QI, is an energy or life, breath, Chi Physio. I've used physiotherapy and Eastern healing martial arts like Tai Chi and Chi Gong. So it's like a holistic, holistic healing approach to our modern ailments. Very cool.

So we're going to break down the grand finale of Ancient Apocalypse Season 2, which was episode 6. So before we do, I just want to give you a chance. I know you've seen the whole season two, season two of ancient. Ancient Apocalypse. Rees, what was your take on the overall show? What were your thoughts? What were your takeaways? Highlights?

I mean, for me, the biggest highlight of both seasons has been the exposure of this sort of information. You know, for some people that I'm close with, I guess I've been a bit of an anomaly. You may have had that experience as well amongst friends and family, you know, being interested in something that seems quite obscure and goes against the grain of a mainstream narrative. of a mainstream narrative. So, I mean, the biggest, the biggest thing for me for both these seasons, the season two is the exposure, it's given this subject and how much credibility, really, the subject has now.

And people are aware of the different topics that me and you're interested in and now have standpoints to go and start researching themselves in different directions, because it's huge, you know, the depth. I've been looking at this stuff for 12. years and I forget how much I've consumed of information both from online research, from books and from actually going out and visiting places. So for me, the greatest thing really that Hancock's done with the show, and it's really, I'm sure that's his real aim with it as well as to gain exposure for this sort of information.

And then for me more personally, I read, you know, I read fingerprints of the gods, magicians of the gods, and America Before, all the books. What I loved about this season is he really went into the juicy stuff from America before. With an extra overlay, there was extra information that wasn't in the books, new stuff. So he really left some tip bits for even for the readers of his books to enjoy. Well stated. I look at the series as like an on-ramp for the massive,

to get into what, like you said, what we've been studying for 10 plus years. Again, we've been doing this stuff for years. We've been going to these ancient sites and touching these megalis for years. Most people have no clue, but they see this well-packaged, high-production quality series on Netflix.

And it's like a gentle on-ramp, you know, where you start slow and you go faster and faster to you get on the freeway, and now you're going full speed at 60 miles per hour, he is appealing to the masses in kind of a gentle way, right? Visiting these sites that people have heard of, like Easter Island, Cusco, Palenke, and he meets with, you know, the known experts in the academic field at these sites. But then he always ends with the questions and the breadcrumbs of this knowledge that goes back much further, right?

So he just keeps hammering that home in each episode, right? Yeah. Is this part of a lost legacy of knowledge from a lost civilization, right? And I guess that's also what's really important, you know, is continuing to ask the questions. A lot of the mainstream academic ideas seem to suggest that they already know the answers to a lot of these questions. And really, in my experience, a lot of the more mysterious and fantastical parts,

of this sort of research really are the big questions and the bits that make you go wow that it's to make you open your eyes and think there's there's something a lot more here you know you talked about like the core drills and the machining works at giza and those sorts of things elongated skulls um what he touched on with the mind calendar in that in this last episode that we're discussed now and unpack when you look at these sorts of topics a little bit closer you really do realize that there are many, many, many questions left that need to be asked and hopefully can be answered. Well, before we jump into recapping episode six,

anything else you want to share, Reese, about anything else you've been learning or visiting around the world, or do you want to just dive in and we'll just go from there? Yeah, we can have a quick chat about Morocco. As we've mentioned, my grandfather's work and painting up there. me and my wife have just been for a little two-week Corvay. We were torn between Turkey and Morocco and Turkey would have been a megalith-laden adventure for sure. But my wife's five months pregnant now and we decided we were going to take it easy for this holiday,

not hike up too many hills and wander around too many big ancient sites in the sun. But Morocco doesn't have many megalifts. There is a polygonal wall that I've found online, probably about a decade ago and I lost a lost complete track of the location I think it's at one of the old Roman sites like Boli Villas

in the north of Morocco so we were kind of resigned to a mystery free megalith free adventure this time holiday turned out we had quite a mystery that just kind of

appeared upon us so we visited the Atlas Mountains big ridge across north Africa And if you know the legends about the Atlas Mountains, firstly they're named after Atlas, the Titan, a giant, one of the ancient Greek Titans. Atlas held up the sky at the top of the Atlas Mountains,

and he was involved in one of the trials of Hercules. They also say that potentially, you know, Atlantis and the Atlantic Ocean is named after Atlas, the giant, where the etymology of these words come from. I'm not 100% sure. Everyone's got a slightly different idea. But we went to the Atlas Mountains anyway. We visited a village that is near the base camp to Tobukal,

which is the highest mountain in North Africa, highest peak in North Africa. We went to hike it. President Wyatt, there was no chance of doing a three-day hike of the mountain. What we did find out was there's a shrine at the top of the mountain. So I start getting a bit excited. What's this shrine doing a bit of asking around in the village,

a bit of reading about? it's actually a mystical shrine. It's a shrine to the king of the jinn, one of the seven princes of the jinn. I did a fair bit of research and he said to have been a jinn that converted to Islam during the time of Prophet Muhammad. The jinn are like some kind of elemental, sometimes they're demons, sometimes they're more like elemental beings or giants of the earth. But through the reading, this prince of the jinn converted to Islam and is said to a fork alongside the prophet Muhammad in the Middle Ages was meant to be a giant in stature and made his final settlement at the top of this mountain where there is now a giant rock. We'll call it a megalith because it is a mega stone, right? I didn't get a chance to climb up there to see if it was carved, but there's a giant stone that must.

Marxist site and a mosque built next to it and it's almost like a sacrilegious pilgrimage site. So Muslims wouldn't be allowed to, or it would be haram for Muslims to take pilgrimage up to this mountain. But the previous sort of tribal cultures of the area would still do pilgrimages up the mountains of this site. Although there weren't meant to be giants and megalitz on holiday, Derek, we found some anyway and there seems to be these stories seem to be everywhere if you look hard enough which that was that was really a bit of magic for me fascinating so muslims today are not allowed to do this pilgrimage because why exactly because the shrine is of a gin of a sort of interdimensional non-human entity so therefore it would be satire

religious, the pilgrimists of Muslims would be to Mecca rather than to be worshipping at sites of the graves of other beings or other creatures. Right. Yet it's been there supposedly since the Middle Ages in what's now a Muslim country and it means this thing is very important to the locals, correct? Apparently it can be a site that can be visited for healing. Yeah. Wow.

So you're just on, you're just on, you're just on hot. holiday, having a good old time. And the next thing we know there's giants up on the top of the mountain, yeah. Next thing you're learning about legends of giants. But how far up did you get to where you saw the stone? Oh, we didn't see the stone. No, it was a long way to, it'd be a two-day hike to get up to the stone. So I've seen the pictures and read about it.

As I said, my wife's pregnant. We couldn't get up there. We were at, what, 1,800 meters above sea level. You've got to get to about 2,000. no it's about 4,300 I think to count. So you're going a long way up to see this. There's a tiny little village up there that's really isolated. Who obviously just man the mosque, the small mosque,

which is like a shrine or a mausoleum or this paranormal entity. If people want to look that up, the mountain is Tubalcal in the Atlas Mountains, near the village of Imlil, a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a recent. research on there and you can find out about the shrine that's on Publica and read a little bit more about this this paranormal being that is said to be buried up there. For regular listeners to this program, you guys know I love ancient legends and oral traditions and we're going to get into some as we break down the final episode six of ancient apocalypse two. Graham starts out at Blenke, this incredible

site. It's known as the Temple of the Sun. And Graham starts out the episode by stating that the Mayan architecture is a repository of ancient knowledge linking sky and ground and heaven and earth. And he's at this huge complex that he points out seems to have been designed as an instrument to detect and manifest the wondrous harmony of the universe. Those are big, big words he's using. And so his big question at the beginning of the show is, how did the Mayans acquire this advanced astronomical know-how? And could we be witnessing a legacy handed down by a far older civilization?

Ries, what was your take on? what you saw in this episode of Graham at Palenke. Lovely episode, fantastic. Palenke is one of the sites in Mexico I visited back in 2017. I spent a few days at Palenke. If anyone's not been a lovely place to go, it takes a bit of time to get there. It's well worth spending a couple of days

and it's going in a jungle around the site. I think he's so right. you know, these sorts of solar alignments and the way they built these temples, you know, that either takes time or pre-knowledge in some way, shape or form. You've got to observe for a long period of time, the stars, and they were talking specifically about Venus, weren't they, the Mayans were particularly interested in Venus. That takes a long passage of time to observe where planets and stars will rise at a certain time for the year and then to map that and then to go beyond mapping it but build huge pyramid structures

that allow you to pinpoint those alignments and even when he came down to these little like chambers built on top of the pyramids where the light would shine through at certain angles and illuminate certain doorway certain rooms certain crevices depending on which equinox which time of year, which angle of the sun, etc, etc. It's just, as you say, like, how can that be achieved by very basic cultures? Without a lot of time, without a lot of preparation,

granted, I mean, they had time, like, there have been millennia. And you discussed in the episode that this civilization appeared to arise around 3,000 BC, or that's when the Maya said. that they first arose. So maybe there was time, but to create these massive structure,

along with that knowledge, it's a real feat. Dominating the center of this site, Palenke, is what Graham called the most impressive edifice, known as the palace. And above it looms this, you know, towering-like structure. and in the structure is a room with these glyphs representing one of the most important planets to the Maya, which you mentioned, Venus. And Graham points out that scholars have confirmed through Mayan texts that the symbols, the symbol does indeed represent the brightest planet, Venus in the night sky.

And so Graham asks, could it be that this tower? was built specifically for use by astronomers. And that leads to the next question, why Venus? And Graham theorizes that it has something to do with one of the greatest Mayan mythological figures, Kuku Khan, right? Visiting these places in Mexico, particularly in the Mexican sites, because they're these big pyramid compounds with multiple pyramids, right, that are often very open. you only have to climb one of the pyramids within each complex

do start to understand that they are working on alignments and they would make fantastic observatories. We also know that there's cultures worldwide, particularly within this field we're interested in their megalitic structures. We're building structures that align with solstices, that align with equinoxes, these markers, these year-in-year-out markers, was really, really important to the ancients. I've been to Chichen Itza,

but I have not been to Palenka like you. So it's great that we got both perspectives. But at all these sites, like you mentioned, the Maya were dedicating these temples to observing the stars. Even at Chechenica, one of the most famous buildings is called the Observatory. And I've talked to people who have actually been inside, and they say, it's like you can see evidence where there was even mechanical components inside,

just kind of empty now, but you can still see how this thing was far more advanced than we can imagine. And so, but a lot of these, all these sites, they're talking about cuckoo-cun, the feathered or plume serpent. And so Graham kind of goes into his origin story real quick, and he says, he shares how, according to the Mayans' legends, Kuku Kahn, again, was identified with the brightest planet in the heavens and Venus. And the traditions say that Kuku Kahn arrived after a great cataclysm.

And then he arrived. And he was this wise teacher who gave instructions to the locals on the rule of law, how to organize a civilization, how to cultivate corn, how to build great monuments and stone. And then after his time was finished, it's like he kind of disappeared yet he continued to be worshipped and deified and so very interesting

how we see Kuku Khan the feathered serpent symbolized everywhere and then Graham took a minute in this episode to go to show what happens at Chechenica at the Kukukun Pyramid. Do you want to explain that? The way the pyramid is designed in its steps with the serpent heads at the bottom of the steps

at the spring equinox, am I right? Yep. At the spring equinox, the light shines across the pyramid, and due to the undulations of the pyramid, creates this undulation of the serpent, almost the point as the sun rises, or is it sets, where the serpent actually appears to move, almost as if it's thithering down the pyramid,

which, again, like I was saying, one thing is watching the stars and making, markers. Another thing is to then incorporate it into architecture. You're really looking at quite advanced science there, observationally and then architecturally, to be able to marry the two, which again, you know, Graham's famous book, Fingoprints of the Gods, these are the fingerprints, and it is to do with the marrying of the sky and the earth, creating almost like more like Star temples on Earth that are mirroring the night sky, effigies or monuments to the great cosmos above.

Yeah, I love how you stated that. So well said. It's one thing to learn about the stars. It's another thing to incorporate this into architecture. Graham points out, it's literally, according to the Maya, this is a manifestation of Kuku Khan. He was also known as Kwezikwadl and the Inca called him. Viracoccia.

Viriocha. There we go. So isn't that interesting that it's like the same deity appearance, but they're all calling them different things? Completely, yeah. The other one he mentions in the episode is Awanis, who is the fish-bodied deity or sage who leaves the sea in the Middle East, comes out and teaches the same thing,

agriculture, science, astronomy, building to the people of Mesopotamia. In, but Graham talks about it in depth, in magicians of the gods, and these are what he called the magicians. The seven sages, it tends to be the number seven of the sort of founding scientists, the people that came back or the beings that came and taught sort of hunter-gatherer type people, people living basic lives. modern architecture, farming, agriculture, all this stuff. At a very similar period of time, it appears to be as well. This is the 3,000 BC date that Graham talks about in the episode

and that the archaeologist who's talking with him at Palenke says the Mayans dated the beginning of their civilization from. So we've got a very similar character worldwide or group of characters as they often come in groups of seven, like we mentioned in earlier episodes about the similar character who came to Easter Island. Those similar characters worldwide at a similar time, about 3,000 BC doing the same sort of thing. Was it the same group? Was it the same group of people flying around the world or sailing around the world and offloading, unloading knowledge as they went?

For coincidence sake, it sounds like it must be. but it could have been large groups of people or beings, you know. Yeah, and Graham mentions that it's almost like it was one traveler, Quetzkwado, who's going around to these different places, but using a name that the locals will understand. So to one, it's quetzkwadal to the other, call me the Veracocha, to the Inca, call me, or, to the Incahkami of Varicocha, to the Maya Kuku Khan. So very interesting to think about. And then like you said, we see Osiris in Egypt all emerging about 3,000 BC.

And so you got to ask yourself, is this total coincidence? Or was there something globally that happened related to an ancient apocalypse, right? Well, the 3000 BC date is quite a bit later than the younger dryas. But maybe that would give the amount of time required from a global cataclysmic event. I believe the Viraccio story, they say they lived in a thousand years of darkness and chaos before the vicaragua arrived. That would push a date back even further for a cataclysmic event. And if we're looking at the younger dryass, what it appears from the science we have of the meteorite impacts in the North America and the melting of the ice sheets. these episodes seem to happen over.

It wasn't like a single episode that wiped everything out and everything to start again, but it seemed to be cyclical. It seemed to happen over the span of thousands of years. And maybe we're looking at, you know, a lot of destruction for a long time. And it's only been the last five, six thousand years that the earth has been stable enough to sustain

the establishment and growth of, you know, high-tech civilizations again. Yeah, because then Graham was breaking down. He met with Dr. Edwin Barnhart, I believe it's how you say it, to talk about the Mayan calendar system and the numbering system, which is just interesting. So Dr. Edwin Barnhart's been mapping out Polanky for 25 years, I guess, and he's one of the very few people on Earth who can read the ancient Maya. script which is pretty cool and um so he's breaking down how the my had this super advanced and numbering

system that was superior even to the greeks and romans this was the key to calculating and predicting the movements of the heavenly bodies like venus and then he gets into the mind calendar system and how impressive it is and they use like three different calendars right there was like two cyclical calendars but i guess they would kind of rotate around you know months years agriculture cultural cycles, and then like the larger solar cycles and planetary cycles, and then the third calendar, which was like the linear long form, which was the one of the dates, something like three million years or something, or 33,000 years ago. Yeah, the long count calendar, he said, measures the passage of time not just for years,

but decades and centuries, even into millennia, reaching deep into both the past and the future. So, again, that's insane to consider. That brings back the question that we discussed at the beginning, you know, how we like the fact that, Graham is always asking these big questions at the end of the episodes,

and happens back to the question we were talking about, and how did it come up with these ideas to build these structures? You know, if you've got a calendar that's set out that's going back thousands of years and going forward of thousands of years, that takes even longer observation than me and you were even alluding to with just being able to pinpoint astronomical activity. It's huge to have a kind of that goes that far in both directions.

Yeah, and the ancient Maya believed the world went through these reoccurring cycles of like creation and destruction, and that they were living in the fourth cycle, which they dated like three. 3,114 BC. August 13th of that year, that's crazy that it was that calculated. To the day. And this is considered the start of the age that we are now living in.

And so again, Graham finds it very interesting that they chose that date of, you know, 3,100 BC, basically. Because, like he points out, this is when, like, the dynastic Egyptians emerge in Egypt. did they have the knowledge or was this suddenly imparted to them at a similar time that it was imparted everywhere else the structures that we're talking about particularly um geyser plateau the geyser pinnades are earthquake proof are catastrophe proof basically you know they may not contain they may not remain in perfect operating form but they've stood the test of time um they are the sort of structures that we can imagine surviving cataclysm and still being here 9,000 years later, 10,000 years later.

We've been, I've not, but I've seen walls in Italy, Turkey, Peru that are made in a similar fashion to these sites. I can understand how integral and strongly structures are. Graham then asks Dr. Barnhart, how far back does he think we can trace the origins of the Maya. Barnhart, I think he'd be considered, you know, kind of more in the mainstream camp. Yet Graham still got to, got him to kind of utter these dates that probably freaked out a lot of people in the mainstream camp, which when he asked him that question about how far back, Barnhart states, there are dates on some of these Mayan glyphs. One goes back to 33,000 years, like you mentioned. And another specific date leads a,

to exactly five million years ago. So Barnhart didn't come out in like say himself that I believe, you know, the Meyer much older, but he basically alluded to, hey, it's right here in their own writings. They are using some ancient dates. Even if that five million date, you know, is fantasy, they were still conceptualizing five million years ago. something that classical history in Europe wasn't doing. Plato was taking information from Solon, about 9,000 years prior to the time of Solon.

You know, we're talking about the 12,000 years ago, Atlantis. These Mayans are conceptualizing dates 5 million years ago. That's a real testament to the Mayans to be scientists and his astronomers, that they were even thinking that far back in time. And Graham points out that he says they were literally obsessed with the cosmos and obsessed with time that these two issues were fundamental to their culture and that they had this deep understanding of planets from vast antiquity. So yeah, I mean, it really gives you an appreciation for just again how the knowledge, the knowledge that these

Mayans had. And it's just so great that we still have their structures that we can see today. I ask you, when you were there, again, I haven't been to Palinca yet. But I've talked with others who have one researcher, Hugh Newman, was there a couple of years ago.

We did an interview. And he was pointing out at the site. There appeared to be megalithic foundations of much larger stone than the rest of the temples are made of. I don't know if it was along the temple of inscriptions, but he even has a video where he's pointing it out and you see massive multi-ton

stones. Did you notice any of that when you were there? There was definitely some evidence of that. There's evidence about quite a lot of the Mexican pyramid sites, actually. Nila is one that really springs to mind. The other one is Tula in the center that's got the giant Atalante's statues on top of the main pyramid. But there is, I did see some evidence about Palenke. What also comes to mind with sites like Palenke is they, you know, it's in deep jungle. So if there are megalitic foundations, I mean, they're under thousands of years worth of leaf fall, which would create soil. So how deep do we have to dig to find these foundations?

Sites like Mitlo, in Mexico, where it's quite obvious, are far more arid. You know, it's not a jungle environment. there would be far less soil build up over time from all the leaf fall from the jungle. But Palenka, if you explore outside the main sites, so Plankay is a national park. There's a whole park there, and you can explore the jungle, and you can explore the ruins.

And the jungle around the ruins, you can walk on trails, has other pyramids and structures within it that are almost completely submerged in jungle that you can explore and find and spend all day at. So with regards to what megalithic structures there may be under these sites, I would say like the idea of Saxi-Waman, we know that there's many feet more underneath the structure that we see of more walls.

We may be looking at digging down another 20 feet at sites like Brinkei and finding much bigger, larger stones at the basis of these sites. It's just how far should we be looking. How deep you go. Meatla is a good example that you brought up also on the backside of Teotaywakan are massive stones, just scattered. And I believe you can see some of them in the foundation. But author Marco Vagato pointed those out in an interview we did.

He shared some of his photographs. And on the backside of this massive pyramid, you've just got these out-of-place artifacts. He's massive blocks. So again, it's like they were found and just left. Palenke, I can't wait to get there someday. It's such an incredible sight. It's so picturesque, too, right? It's beautiful.

It's beautiful. If you go there and visit, you've got to spend a night at least, and you stay in the jungle within the National Park, wake up to the sound of howl the monkeys and the snakes and all sorts going on in Palenke, mushrooms growing off trees. And it really is, It really is quite magical.

Yeah, it's really, really worth a visit if anyone wants to go and have a jungle experience and a megalith experience at the same time. Palenke is a great place for that. I think also touching what you're saying about the stonework in the Mexican sites, yes, there's a much smaller, softer stones. What we're finding with the Mayan civilization is that we're looking at entire complexes of cities that are spanning all the way down into Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. you know, that are completely covered in jungle.

It was a really massive, highly connected civilization. And what we see at sites like Palenke, Chichen It's Tagal, is just the tip of the iceberg of what is there under the jungles. Graham theorizes that the Mayan calendar, he basically says is an out-of-place artifact itself, in that it's like it was, again, a legacy of knowledge passed down that the Mayan might have actually received from a culture far older than themselves. Do you have any thoughts on King Pekal?

That's one of my favorite parts when it comes to Palenca. Graham didn't really get into King Pekal at all. When you were there, did you get to see the area where he was discovered in the pictures of his incredible tomb? They've rebuilt the tomb in the anthropology museum in Mexico, which again is a fantastic place to visit. If anyone's in Mexico, it's a really cool museum. Quite astounding work they've done on these funeral masks. I mean, not dissimilar to what the Egyptians were doing, things like Tutankhamun, you know,

building these big funery masts that would cover the mummies and mummification. And again, massive megalithic slabs in casing what, what, seem to be his tomb. About his history and about him and about his son, I didn't, I haven't learned very much about that topic. But they were definitely expert craftsmen as well.

And as what Graham gets into at the end of the episode is about you know, the fast, as you said, the fascination with the cosmos and the fascination with the afterlife. And this was clearly very important for this Maya civilization as it

as it was for income civilizations, many civilizations along the coast of Peru as well, the Sipan, the Mocci cultures that were building big adobe mud pyramids in the Peruvian desert, all really focused on the afterlife and preserving the body through embalming and monetification for that process. So they were definitely big thinkers. It's, you know, life, life wasn't just chopped wood carry water. It was looking for the stars and thinking about what was going to happen after, after time on Earth. I believe Lord Pekyll or King Pekal ruled at Palanke, starting in 615 AD to 683 AD. And he was basically, if my memory serves me right, he was discovered in the base of the main pyramid in the 1950s.

and he was found, like you said, wearing this incredible jade mask. And if you're watching by video, I'm going to have some photos up for you to see. But his tomb was absolutely massive. And it looks, I mean, precision-shaped, megalithic style, looks very similar to boxes, kind of in the Serapium, the smaller ones you might see. But again, compared to the Mayan architecture that you see on the outline, outside of the pyramids, his tomb looks far superior. Or I'm the sarcophagus he's buried in.

And it was 12 feet long and oh, it weighed five tons. So I'm going somewhere with this. 12 feet long was his was his sarcophagus weighing five tons, precision carved. Just say the word on the street from the original excavators at the site was that he measured at least seven foot three inches and had an elongated skull. When you look at other depictions of Pekyll's family, it seems they possess some anomalies as well. What do you call it polydactalism when you've got an extra finger? Right. I've seen other reports that he actually

measured up to nine feet tall. But the weird part is this. This was one of the greatest discoveries of the modern era, finding Lord Pekal in the 1950s. Where is his skeleton now? It's certainly not on display. And when you look at photographs and diagrams of his skull, it's almost like a blackout. According to reports in the original photos that were taken, he had this huge elongated skull. But when you Google his skeleton, to now, at least when I have, you never, the, the, the, the, the, the, the head's always blacked out.

It's like he doesn't even have a head, hardly in the tomb. And then when you look at the, the lid of his sarcophagus, there's the, you know, famous debate that is he on some kind of craft, some kind of machine-like flying craft, or is this just fancy Mayan iconography? Any thoughts on all that? Yeah, I've been looking at some similar stuff recently, actually, about mining kings and lining up some of the some of the iconography from some of the carvings with the Pherakus skulls and they do appear to have that interesting brow ridge fracca skulls have before the head disappears into a headdress this happens everywhere with these sorts of skeletons isn't it Derek they seem to disappear the information starts to

slowly vanish over time. In the exhibit where the few room masks is exhibited in the archaeological museum in Mexico City, there are elongated skulls within the exhibit, not quite as grand as the paracas skulls, but still very much elongated. And if you poke your head around the back of the cabinet, it does appear that there's no sexual suture on these skulls. I would, I am of the opinion and I'm no expert.

I am of the opinion, you know, that these elongated skull people were deeply connected to a lot of these ancient sites were investigating. And that seems to be the case from the narrative worldwide places, you know, like Malta, Egypt, Peru, Mexico, etc. that there seems to be where you find megalitic sites or grand monuments such as pyramids, that in the early excavations there were elongated skulls found at these locations. So who were these people and what was their involvement with these sites? And if we're putting together what you've just revealed and what Graham is asking at the end of these episodes, then maybe these are the people that are imparting this.

knowledge, the knowledge of the calendar, the knowledge of stones of Saxe, one man. Maybe these elongated skull people had something to do with it. There seems to be a big mystery here. When the original archaeologists were going in to literally into Pekal's tomb, before they could get in it, there was literally this triangle trapezoidal door. I mean, it's an incredible thing in itself. Just the door was this triangle. trapezoid that they had to open and get through to get inside.

Because there are some incredible megaliths at that museum in Mexico. You know, massive, there's a giant Olmec head or two there. There's the sun disk. There's that skull disk that we found in the center of Mexico City, Trenchitland. You know, there really are megalithic artifacts there. Why can we not see this sarcophagy? With regards to Palenke, I do seem to remember a lot of the chambers being completely sealed off from the public.

You know, there were one or two pyramids you could climb and the rest of the time it was wandering around the Plenke Park. You could walk around structures. You could walk to the feet of pyramids. But actually going off and looking inside chambers was something that the public couldn't do. So maybe there is or there are. anomalies to be found with the right access. Something else to point out before we end here is that according to Cliff Dunning, NASA was literally down at Chechnitzza

years ago, I think around 2010, and they had special access to study the Kuukon Pyramid. And apparently they were studying it, you know, for its energy properties. The point is when NASA is down studying, my pyramids, there's probably something more going on. Isn't that crazy? Completely, completely. I mean, where are the results of that study?

Are we being told about what they found there? Or were they just looking and found nothing? You know, as the case seems to be. I was looking at pictures of Teherty Wakam the other day. And like you said, there's some massive megalitic remnants scattered out of the back of that site. and on the back of the pyramid of the sun. The pyramid itself looks like it's all made of rubble on the surface. Maybe deeper inside these structures like we find in some of the places in Egypt,

maybe deeper inside our megalitic cords, more precision built structures. And these more primitive pyramids have been built on top of these original structures. I was thinking that to myself, looking at Pihadi Wakam, the other day on some aerial shops of the site that deeper within the mass of stones and rubble, there could be a lot more. There could be other structures like we see in some of the places in Egypt. I'd love to find out. I'd love to go down to the inner depths. Well, Graham ends the episode by saying, and really he ends the season.

You know, one of his last big statements is old ideas. is are being pushed aside and it's very clear that stuff just keeps getting older and that's kind of his famous line right stuff just keeps getting older it was a great season overall i enjoyed every episode and again i would encourage everybody watching or listening to this to subscribe to net netflix if you're not even if it's just to watch these two seasons and then you can cancel your subscription but anytime that there is a show like this that's showing quality footage of these ancient sites and giving some kind of decent information,

I'm addicted. Reese, any closing words, any thoughts? Just based off what you said there, what I'd also implore to people is, beyond the Netflix subscription, you know, if you're able to take your next holiday somewhere where there is something interesting,

go check it out, because, you know, these sites are scattered everywhere. And it doesn't, like my example at the beginning of finding effectively the legend of a giant's tomb at the top of a mountain in Morocco that I need nothing about. These sorts of sites are scattered everywhere. And once you see them with your eyes, you can see high-quality HD footage on a Netflix show or on one of yours or Uncharted X show. show he's great then from Ontario X you can see this footage

but when you see it for yourself and you really understand the magnitude and the size of some of these structures it really changes the perspective on things and you know there are structures everywhere and sites everywhere across Europe across Africa

across Central Asia and East Asia and beyond you know maybe your next holiday might be somewhere where you can go and check out something that really shifts your perspective on on the history of the world and makes you realize that not everything is built with bricks this big I love the series I love I love what Graham does and I love what he stands for you know across the

whole spectrum of his work including his fiction so like I said at the beginning it's just great to have some exposure to a topic that I'm I'm so passionate about and what it What it has gifted me as well is the ability to have conversations that I could only have with friends like yourself, with people that aren't, say, as fanatical as you or I am about these sorts of topics. Derek, it opens up, it opens up this topic of discussion with people that I wouldn't have been able to have these conversations with before. I'm passionate about learning about this. There's a big mystery here, and it fascinates me. I may never learn much more than I already know or have already perceived to know,

but I'm really enjoying the journey along the way. And, you know, the world is far more magical than we take it for at face value. You mentioned people taking a holiday or their next vacation and making, and making time to see some megalith. So I wanted to give a shameless plug for my next Peru tour. And when I'm done, Reese, I want to ask you one more question,

so I'll let you think about it. That is, of all these sites that you've seen around the world, what would you say is your favorite site and why? So think about that, and I'll plug this tour. But if you guys are free, this May, I want to invite you on our 2025

Peru and or Easter Island Tours. It's going to be an incredible South American adventure. This tour is designed to where you can do the whole thing. You can do our pre-tour where we're going to go to the NASCAR lines and see elongated schools in Paracas, the main tour in Kusko and Machu Picchu. And then we're going to do a post tour to Easter Island. So you can do the whole thing together, one enchilada, or you can just go to Easter Island with us, or you can just go to Peru with us.

And right now you can get $500 off. by using code Stargate. And I think this is one of the most affordable Peru or Easter Island trips you're going to find. And we've got the price under $3,000 right now with the $500 discount. So go to Stargatevojure.com slash tours to get all the info or just click the link in the show notes of this episode. Okay, so Reese, we're going to end with you sharing. What is your most favorite ancient site that you visited and why? Peru is fantastic and probably like all the sites in Peru really I love but one that's

quite close to my heart quite special is Gunung Padang in Java in Indonesia and all of Java really I think I think Java has a lot to offer for megalithic explorers and I think that in the future there will be a lot more sites found there when you visit Gunung Padang it's not easy to get to without in the middle and nowhere in Java which is a massive island people that don't speak very much English, very different culturally to the UK or to the US or any sort of European countries. And Goulding Padang is just in the middle of the jungle. And it's this great big pyramidal structure covered in these amazing basalt stones. And because it's like Palenke consumed by the jungle, it's got a very,

grounded energy feels very, very special, but you can feel the ceremonial element of it. And what I really loved about Gunnabodang was looking out on the top, because you're on top of pyramid over the jungle, looking out and going, well, there's a hilltop there. And there's a hilltop there. And there's a hilltop there. How many of these hilltops that are still covered in jungle have something profound on top of And the other thing about Java then is the Sunderplate. The fact that that whole area Java, Malaysia, Sulawesi, Sumatra, Borneo, was all connected and it was a much larger landmass. So what if the sites we're seeing in Java are just the tip of the iceberg for what could be there?

and Gunung Padang is not the only pyramid in Java. There are other sites. So, yeah, for me, I've got Gunung Padang t-shirt as well, which I lost this year and have recently found, and maybe if we talk again next time, I'll wear it to rep. And, you know, it's super old and battered. I've had it like 10 years, and I've cut the sleeves off, but I love it.

I just love repting the site. And like I said, just implore people to see on their next holiday if there's anything. if there's anything in the area that they can go and have a look at. Whether it be Mexico, Italy, Greece, Spain, Japan, and beyond, you know, many places have something. And just that something could blow your mind. Well said.

Well said. Gannon, Gnodang. Isn't that the site that Graham explored in the first episode of Ancient Apocalypse 1? exactly exactly that site it's meant it appears to be a 22,000 year old pyramid in the Javanese jungle and there is a megalific site on top of this pyramid built out of hexagonal basalt blocks which is far more crude still impressive but could have been done by a more primitive man but the interesting thing about gungu padang should have mentioned this because you asked me the question is that there are two chambers in there.

They've done LIDAR on the pyramid, and there are two chambers that could well be, have been unopened for thousands of years. Like, you know, we could be looking at another elongated skull king in a giant sarcophagi waiting to be discovered, Derek. Who knows? At the moment, excavations are, have been halted by the Javanese government.

and nothing more is being done there since those LIDAR and cordrills. They discovered the age of the base of the pyramid through cordials. So yeah, we're looking at 20,000 years of a man-made hill. And since then, they've halted excavations. Isn't that interesting? Which sounds very similar to, you know, the news Jimmy Corsetti's been breaking about Go Beckley-Tepe that here we've got one. of the greatest ancient sites that could reveal so many secrets of the earth.

And they're basically going at a snail's pace on purpose. And they even don't hide the fact that they want future generations to excavate the site. And so that's just why? Why? Yeah, it's to halt something. It's to halt discovery. It's the whole change and progress. It looks like Goldbeckley-Tepae.

They built a little olive grove on part of it now. as well. There's all sorts of strange things happening there. They've covered up to protect something that's 12,000 years old, they put a roof on it. You wonder how it made it 12,000 years old. You know, without a roof in the first place, I know it was buried. Kathran Teppi, not far from Goldbeckley-Tepi, seems to be, excavations seem to be on the way there,

and maybe we'll start to, you know, get some headway. I think the thing is, now that the interest is out, and that this topic has gone globally through Netflix. There's going to be a lot more interest, and maybe these sorts of sites are going to be places that young budding archaeologists are going to want to be able to get funding to excavate or crowd fund themselves and go and do these things themselves,

and maybe what we'll see, a positive backlash from Graham's series is a new breed of young archaeologists who want to go out and excavate these sites. And if there's any out there who are looking for a pair of hands, you know, I would love to come and contribute some time and be part of an excavation site somewhere for sure. You know, hit me up, say hello.

I'm no archaeologist, but I can use a shovel for sure. So if there's any archaeologists watching or listening, reach out to Reese. You'll be your your sidekick. And give us your Instagram handle again one more time, Reese.

Yes, Instagram. It's Chi Physio, QI Physio. That's my physiotherapy and healing martial arts page. Mostly at the moment, it's full of reels.

My wife's made of us in Morocco. I've taken a bit of a step back from making content. We're having a baby and we're prepping the house so content is at the back of my mind. And just,

I'm doing the healing people there at the moment just working as a physio and teaching teaching what I teach how can people how can people move you yourself you do all you do online coaching and teaching right yeah of course yeah people can if you if anybody sounds like you're into what Reese offers hit him up because he'll reach out to you do you want to plug your website too or is the instagram good enough yeah you can hit me on the website as well my website probably needs some updating but it's chiefvisio.co.com. The same again, QIphysio.com.

And there's the Instagram. You can message me, have a chat. You know, I work with breath work, traditional martial arts movements and strength and conditioning training of harmony of body and mind. We all have the capacity within ourselves through control of our breath

and regular movement to heal many, many things. I think one of the biggest tragedies in modern society is that we don't move enough. We are beings with joints and muscles and we are designed to move and many of us don't move further than the sofa or the seat of the vehicle that we can need to work in and the desk that we work at. And our body should move and with adequate movement and regular movement and deep breathing. We can change a lot within ourselves. Yeah, we can heal ourselves. Awesome.

Maurice, thank you so much for your time today. This was a pleasure talking with you about ancient history and ancient apocalypse. I hope you had as much fun as I did. And thanks to everybody that tuned into this. Hope you enjoyed it. And we'll see you next week for another episode. Thanks, Reese. Big respect, Derek.

Thank you. Yeah, it was awesome. As always, nice one.