Megalithic Marvels - Montana Megaliths, Roswell Rock & Indonesian Anomalies (best of episode)

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

This 'best-of-episode' features three popular segments from the Megalithic Marvels podcast. In part one I interview explorer and researcher Michael Collins who takes us to the wilds of Montana where a... very enigmatic site lies hidden in the forest... Are these exotic natural formations or severely eroded ancient structures? In the second segment I go down a rabbit hole regarding the most famous UFO crash retrieval of all time - Roswell, where a little known rock was discovered... is it a hoax or a genuine artifact? In the final part of this episode I share about an incredible ancient site in Indonesia where several bizarre humanoid statues were discovered along with gigantic stone containers that appear as if they were made to hold humans...JOIN ME ON A TOUR

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Starting point is 00:00:15 Well, I am super pumped to be joined by Michael Collins today, a.k.a. otherwise known as Wandering Wolf on social media on YouTube, Instagram X. So definitely follow him there. Michael, thanks so much for joining me, man. Absolutely, man. Thank you so much for having me on. Last year, the year before, was when you were posting stuff about the Montana Megalus, or the so-called Montana Megalus and the sage wall. And I messaged you and you're like, I asked you if I could post you. I think footage of your sage wall and that kind of went viral on my channel.
Starting point is 00:00:50 When you reached out to me it was it was a pleasure to share all that footage and do that together. Montana kind of you know kick things off for me with all this work and with the drone footage and stuff. I don't know in the film work if I would say if it's great sometimes but I'm able to get it and get out to these locations, which is kind of learning as I've been going for the last several years, four or five years now. So really, obviously I love hitting the big spots, but I love getting out to places that nobody else really gets to or people haven't seen yet. That really motivates me quite a bit. And I know that Sage Wall had been covered before, but I had never seen any drone footage and I knew I had to get up there and get that
Starting point is 00:01:50 just to get a perspective on it because it felt like there was something we're seeing there. And funny enough, I was planning on going to Russia to go to Gornayasoria. So that was the plan and that had been in the works for like six months. And then Ukraine, everything with Ukraine kicked off. And that whole trip had to be scrapped until I could figure out how things were going to, you know, pan out there. And so Sage Wall popped up and I just immediately jumped on that, went out there and filmed that. And yeah, it was a lot of fun. I've been up there twice now.
Starting point is 00:02:29 And there's research going on up there. The site and property owner, Chris and Linda, have been working with geologists, the geophysicist, taking reading. up there. So there's been a lot of cool stuff coming out over the past year. And they're looking to continue that this year. I'm hoping to go back up there and just see what all they're doing, getting some LiDAR. They've already done ground penetrating radar. We've established that the wall is highly magnetic. You can throw a magnet on it and it just sticks to the wall. So a lot of really interesting things going on up there. And hopefully we just keep finding there's a lot of circumstantial stuff too there, you know, like marks and the stones and different stuff like that all over the place.
Starting point is 00:03:16 That I feel kind of reinforced that need to investigate further. Regardless of the outcome, I feel like it warrants that. It's a very interesting site for sure. Yeah, it really is. It's one of these really seems like highly debated sites. You've got one camp that says this is just pure natural, exotic form. and then the other camp that's like, no, these are just super weathered ancient megaliths. And I remember seeing the photographs of this, man, a long time ago now, maybe six, seven years.
Starting point is 00:03:51 And I did a blog post on it with some others who had been out there and taking photographs. But then again, when you see the video footage and the drone footage, it takes it to a whole new level. And I personally have not been there yet. But just want to talk to you a little bit more about this mysterious Montana megalith site. because you've got kind of to me the main feature, which seems to be the sage wall, as you and others call it, which looks like this massive wall,
Starting point is 00:04:19 you know, that goes left to right. And it's got to be at least 10 foot tall. And then you've got these other phenomena that I think they call it the Tizer Dolman. And there's other so-called, you know, dolman-like structures that,
Starting point is 00:04:36 man, at first glance, look like this is a massive ancient dolman the way there's, you know, a slab on top of like three massive stones, right? Tell us a little bit about your thoughts on seeing sage wall up close and then these dolmens. What were you noticing? It's the straightness of it when you, you know, that is so, you know, the other side wants to, you know, attribute it to a, as a volcanic dike or a natural formation. And, you know, I've tried to find anything else in terms of that type of geological formation
Starting point is 00:05:17 that looks similar to the sage wall, have not been able to found anything that remotely looks similar. I happen to believe that if it is man-made, it's so old that we have a combination of man-working the stone and also natural erosion and weathering. So you do have some cracks coming down the entire length of the wall that don't look like that that would be practical at all for any kind of stability. But what I think we're seeing there is cracking of the stone from, you know, potentially thousands of years of weathering and erosion. So I think we have a combination of two things going on there. If it's manmade, if it's not, we're still doing.
Starting point is 00:06:04 the research and providing information that was before this unknown. The property owner, like I mentioned before Chris and Linda, they own that land. So whereas a lot of the other sites in Montana are pretty much all on BLM land. This is on private land, which is one of the main reasons why I've specifically focused on that site because we can actually do work and like they're doing up there right now, document these things, get results, and present them to people. Whereas the other sites, there's a whole list of, you know, red tape and stuff that you have to go through for anything like that. Tyser Dolman is very unique and interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:59 It pops out out of the trees out of nowhere. You're walking and looking around for this thing, your first time going there, and then all of a sudden it's just there. It's pretty amazing. It's this massive, massive thing. It doesn't have very typical features of the average Dolman. Now, there are only two blocks.
Starting point is 00:07:27 and I have identified up there, which may be a bummer to a lot of people, how the rock has had a boulder roll into the back of it and crack it. So part of it is split off on the side, and that may be responsible for the separation between the two pieces under that capstone and that break there. but as far as the piece on top how that's quite explained i'm still kind of unsure about that there's a lot of potential at some of these sites up there for man-made influence on on a lot of different areas in the region that again are so old that there is just a huge amount of erosion and natural weathering that has happened there. So I think the best thing that we can do is keep documenting, keep researching and working theories.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And I think that that's the way to go. And I think Sage Wall there, Chris and Linda are really leading that charge there. I'm happy. I've been such a pleasure to be able to go there and document it. But they're really doing the on the ground, tough work of, keeping that area cleared, maintained, allowing people into their home, basically, because they live there. But it's a really unique area, and I hope you're pretty soon to put out a video that shares all the exact locations, because all of this except Sage Wall is on public land.
Starting point is 00:09:13 So you can go up there and visit, and you can walk out and see any of these sites yourself and enjoy them. And a lot of them are just right off the road, like at Giants playground, which is really, really cool. Yeah, that's interesting that you said a large portion of the sites on this private land owned by this couple, which is probably why this site is, the news has been able to get out there, right? It's not so controlled and shut down. It'd probably be a lot harder to get up there. They'd probably have it all off limits, right? As of right now, these sites are pretty accessible, but you're definitely on the right track here.
Starting point is 00:09:57 I recently kind of compiled everything into one videos a couple months ago, the story of Sagewall, Megalista, Montaian. And you do have some interesting things going on there like, you know, within the last few years, as it's gained attention in the public eye, Montana has signed mineral rights or decided to pursue mineral rights and developments up in Montana. And the company that they hired for that is a company called Rio Tinto. Now, Rio Tinto is a multinational company, and they operate all over the world. And one of the areas that they have, of particular note that they've worked in, Australia where they have destroyed ancient sites in Australia.
Starting point is 00:10:48 They have straight up dynamited ancient sites in Australia and they have a reputation for destroying ancient sites and I find it very interesting and I go into that in a bit more detail in the video about this company and their involvement in ancient sites around the world. I find it very interesting that all of a sudden Sage Wall comes in to the public eye and this company gets a tap on the shoulder and now there's black helicopters flying around the property up there and over the BML land. All the people up there, Chris and Linda, the owners of the property and different people got notices and luckily all of the sage wall and some of this is on their private land, but they back up to BLM land. So they've got black
Starting point is 00:11:38 helicopters flying all over their property for the last year. I find that very, very, very interesting right as a lot of this stuff is kind of coming more into the public eye. Yeah, that's nuts. Exactly. Right after the news is really getting out there, black helicopters over the site. That's crazy. Yeah. I guess if they ended up, sadly, if they ended up destroying the site, then we'd probably know the answer to is it, was it megalithic or not, right? That would be the camp that I would fall in. I think we're both in that camp, right? You know, it's so, you know, a lot of this,
Starting point is 00:12:21 there's a lot more videos coming out now on sites from up there, which is great. I'm super supportive and encouraging of other content creators and people putting out as much as we can about all of these sites and places, and getting it more into the public eye and public awareness and putting the locations and stuff up there for people to visit and spend time at so that if something like that happened,
Starting point is 00:12:50 there would be the amount of pushback needed to potentially kind of stop something like what they, you know, this company Rio Tinto is known for in Australia. They've destroyed hundreds of sites in Australia. I think it was one of your photos you might have shared at some point on X. And if anyone's on Twitter or X, make sure and follow Michael at Wandering Wolf. Great account where you're going to see a lot of this stuff we're talking about. But again, this site is, you know, it's always, is it natural?
Starting point is 00:13:25 Is it or is this ancient architecture? And, you know, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years. And just, it's like just when I was maybe starting to lean towards its more natural formations, I saw this photo and I think it was from you, so I want to ask you about it. Yeah. Of what looked like flat out knobs, like you'd see knobs or nubs you'd see in Peru or Egypt
Starting point is 00:13:47 on the exterior of one of these structures. I don't know if it was sage wall or if it was around one of these so-called dolmens, but there was literally like three knobs or nubs in a row. Was that you? Yeah, I definitely highlighted that. that is at Tyser Dolman. So as you get to the doorman,
Starting point is 00:14:10 you can actually walk up right up the side of the dolman. And that takes you to a higher level on a rise that goes up. And there's a lot of really interesting rock formations up on that ridge. So if you just stay towards the center of that as you go back,
Starting point is 00:14:27 there's a wall back there. And those three nubs are on that wall. and you know, a lot of people call these nubs, different stuff. You know, if you're in an ancient site, let's say you're at Balbeck or something and you see nubs, they're nubs, right?
Starting point is 00:14:44 So where it gets difficult, you know, they were put there for intentionally. Now, when you start getting out to places like Montana and you look at nubs, again, you've got the people on the natural side of things, you know, these are inclusions or, you know, And you are in a baffalus. Boulder bathleth is the entire region there that all this exists in, right?
Starting point is 00:15:08 But it's the alignment of those nubs that's really eye-catching. And I've done measurements, and I show those in videos between, they're almost perfectly spaced. Now the rock cracks in between two and one of them, if I remember correctly. so you do have to factor in for that where the rock is split. But yeah, they're just in this alignment together that really catches your eye, especially if you've been looking at ancient sites around the world for a long time. This is definitely something that would be that would just stand out to you, right?
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yeah, yeah. Again, it's not one, it's not two, it's at least three of these nubs, like you said, aligned that looks like this is an intentional architecture or engineering, you know, from the ages past. So any final thoughts, Michael, on the whole Montana megaliths. It sounds like gun to your head you think this is ancient architecture, correct? Man, guns my head. I think that this is an area that needs to continue to be documented and researched. And I think it has the potential for showing human influence on these sites in these areas. And I would also just say that if you spend any time looking into potential megalists in the Americas, North America,
Starting point is 00:16:54 things that would be considered to have human influence and be researched anywhere else in the world if you found it are completely dismissed here in North America, just out of hand, factually. It's, you know, whether it's Dolman's walls like this,
Starting point is 00:17:14 you know, there's all sorts of things worth investigating that just are completely dismissed out of hand. And Montana definitely has so many different features in such a small area that I would say hugely tip it over into the realm of needing further research and being worth exploring. So, yeah. I like the way you put that.
Starting point is 00:17:40 It has the potential for human influence. So did you know that about 20 years ago, a stone was unearthed near the Roswell crash site in Roswell, New Mexico that features these strange. precision cut symbols on it. Was this part of just some elaborate hoax or is this an authentic ancient artifact? So to properly set the scene in discussing this enigmatic Roswell rock, let me first give a brief history regarding the events of Roswell. And I find it very intriguing how this mysterious rock dovetails ancient megalithic history with that of UFO crashes. So in the annals of
Starting point is 00:18:26 American UFO history, few incidents have inspired as much fascination and speculation as the one in Roswell, New Mexico, in the summer of 1947. And now more than 70 years later, this incident remains a defining
Starting point is 00:18:41 aspect of American pop culture. I mean, just the town of Roswell, New Mexico itself, it's got a UFO museum and a research center, and it's got a flying saucer inspired McDonald's. It's got alien-themed streetlights, not to mention the countless movies and TV shows that have a Roswell theme to them. So it's really part of our pop culture.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Now, for about the first 30 years or so after the Roswell event happened, almost no one actually knew about it. And this is because of the supposed quick cover-up that ensued by the military. As researcher Richard Dolan points out, it was only because of the hard work of a few, people in the 70s and the 80s like Stanton Friedman and others who went and tracked down the eyewitnesses who were still alive at the time and captured their memories. And this is how the story was resurrected. And it was the memories of these witnesses that all seemed to tell a very similar story. So again, to set up talking about this Roswell Rock, I want to give a brief history of what actually happened at Roswell. So Saturday, July 5th, 9th,000,
Starting point is 00:19:54 1947, Mac Brazel foreman of the Foster Ranch, located approximately 75 miles north of Roswell, New Mexico. He found this strange debris scattered across a very large area of pasture. And it begins to pick up various pieces of this debris. And he's on record of saying it was unusually lightweight yet strong. And there was what looked like metal and plastic and foil-like material. just scattered everywhere. He would later apparently try to cut and even burn some of this debris with no success. The next day, Sunday, July 6th, Brazla brings some of this debris to Roswell, Sheriff George Wilcox, and Wilcox sends out two deputies to investigate further this field, this pasture
Starting point is 00:20:45 area, and they report back that they found an area that looked like it was burned and glass-like. This seems to lend towards excessive heat. Now, Wilcox then called the Roswell Army Airfield, which was home to the 509 Bombadier Group. And this is the same group that was responsible for dropping the atomic bomb over Japan to end World War II. So this 509 group was the only unit in the world that had the ability to drop nuclear weapons, I believe.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And so if you're looking for a unit to do an elite task. This was probably it. And this unit was commanded by a Colonel William Blanchard, who later went on to become a four-star general in the 60s. Now, this Colonel Blanchard sends a team to investigate the site led by Captain Jesse Marcel, and along with another officer named Sheraton Cabot and Master Sergeant William Rickett. So these three guys meet with the Foreman Brazel from the ranch, and they visit, visit, the crash site with him the next day on Monday, July 7th. So this debris field was apparently about three quarters of a mile long and 300 feet wide. And there was a huge gouge in the ground that was about
Starting point is 00:22:06 500 feet long. Remember that because that might dovetail to this Roswell Rock. So this Captain Marcel notices debris as thin as newsprint, he said, but incredibly strong. And apparently the debris, according to him, could not be dented, not even by a sledgehammer. So this corroborates what MacBrasil had said about it. There was also this foil-like material that could be crumpled up, but would return to its original shape without wrinkles. Marcel also noticed eye beams with odd symbols on them. Years later, Jesse Marcel told investigator Stanton Friedman that this debris was definitely not a plane, a missile, or some weather tracking device.
Starting point is 00:22:53 He said, quote, it was something he had never seen before or since. It certainly wasn't anything built by us, end quote. So this Jesse Marcel loads up his vehicle with debris that night, and on his way back to the base, he makes a detour that night to his own home about 2 a.m. And he wakes up his family, his wife, and his son, Jesse Jr. And Jesse Jr., his son's 11 years old at the time.
Starting point is 00:23:21 And he shows them pieces of the debris. And he basically says this is from a UFO. And Jesse Jr. would go in to remember this for the rest of his life and write a book about it. Meanwhile, while this is all happening, military police go to Sheriff Wilcox's office and they collect all the debris that rancher Mack Brazzell had originally left there. So now it's Tuesday, July 8th. Jesse Marcel and Cabot go to the Roswell Army base with two truckloads of debris. And base commander, Colonel Blanchard, notifies Marcel that he is to now take the debris to Air Force headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas, to meet with a general Roger Ramey. So this is several hours away.
Starting point is 00:24:13 So at this point, Marcel and Blanchard believe that they have actual pieces of a flying disc. They get to Texas around noon that day. Blanchard says to his public information officer, a guy named Lieutenant Walter Hout, send out a press release stating that what has happened and what we have and how it goes to the local KGFL radio station where they send it out to the Western Union, all the radio stations, newspapers,
Starting point is 00:24:40 the Roswell Daily Record puts a headline story out. Quote, RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch. and Roswell region, end quote. So about three hours after this announcement hits the world, Jesse Marcel is in Fort Worth, Texas, in this office of General Roger Ramey, with some of the debris. Now, according to Marcel, they both leave the general's office together for a time.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And when they come back, the debris has been switched. In place of the original debris he brought is a ripped apart weather balloon scattered all over the floor. There's a photographer there, obviously. They make Jesse Marcel pose with the scraps of the weather balloon and basically take the fall for being fooled. The general brings in an AP reporter who collects these photos
Starting point is 00:25:35 and basically writes another story and releases it just three hours after the original story stating that there was a UFO crash. So this is apparently the cover story. And then back in New Mexico, Mexico rancher Mac Brazzell around this time is placed under military guard for several days, apparently, according to the reports. Again, if this was all just a weather balloon, why is the rancher being placed under military guard? Okay, so here's where this Roswell Rock
Starting point is 00:26:08 kind of interjects into the story. A local by the name of Robert Ridge on earth what's known as the Roswell Rock sometime around two. 2004, so about 20 years ago, while hunting not far from the crash site. Now, if you're watching on Spotify or YouTube, you're going to see the photos of this. It's a small brownish rock with a design that protrudes from the top of it featuring circles with what looks like shapes of the sun and crescent moons in the center that are clearly precision, cut, or carved. And this rock, clearly has magnetic properties. In fact, the history channel, I believe,
Starting point is 00:26:53 or it might have been Asian aliens, one of them did a feature episode on this very rock for an entire episode. And you can find the video of this somewhere on YouTube where you can see this rock spinning both clockwise and counterclockwise with the use of a magnet. Again, according to the guy who found it, Robert Ridge, this was found very near the skip site. What do I mean by skip site? There was first
Starting point is 00:27:24 the skip site where the craft first made contact with the ground and left that massive debris field. And then it finally came down at the crash site. So you got the skip site first and then the final crash site. So one question that obviously pops up is could this rock have been possibly thrown from a craft when it hit the ground at this skip site? Did the military miss this rock during their months-long cleanup that ensued? The crazy thing is, if you look at the symbols on this rock, you'll find out that there was a 120-foot-long crop circle found in England in 1996 that featured the exact same design to a T.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Now, some have theorized that this is just some elaborate hoax using a, a sandblasting technique through the use of like a computer generated stencil where they were cutting and sandblasting. However, when a local stone mason or stone carver was given the chance to replicate this Roswell Rock, by using this technique of sandblasting and cutting, his recreation was clearly inferior to this rock that Robert Ridge says that he discovered. And again, you can go on YouTube, put in Roswell Rock, and you're going to find the history channel or the ancient alien episode that shows this guy trying to recreate it.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Now, the skip site is also known as the Ragsdale site because there was a guy named Jim Ragsdale who was camping there, who claims to have seen the craft come in and was one of the first on the scenes. And he claims that he even saw what looked like bodies laid out. Now I mentioned a William Rickett earlier. He wasn't only at the crash site with Marcel,
Starting point is 00:29:21 but he told researchers later that he escorted someone named Dr. Lincoln La Paz, a world-renowned meteor expert at the time to the crash site. Now, this guy was hired by the military to find out what the speed and trajectory of the craft was. La Paz also said that the sand had been turned glass-like due to landing and takeoff. La Paz was on record for saying that he actually believed there were several objects or crafts that had come down at Roswell, not just one. Now, Mack Brazel, the foreman of the ranch, who was one of the first on scene at the crash site, he had a son named Bill Brazzled. And Bill said that years after the crash, he was telling some friends at a bar about this foil-like debris that you could crunch.
Starting point is 00:30:14 up and that would return to its normal shape. He told his friends he still actually had some of it. And guess what? A few days later, of course, the military arrives at the ranch and they said that they told him that they had learned that he was in possession of some of this material and that they asked for it and basically intimidated him into handing it over and basically said, don't ever talk about this again. Now, to wrap this up, Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer named in the initial press report. He had a son, Jesse Jr., who was 11 years old at the time,
Starting point is 00:30:52 and he stopped by at home at 2 a.m. and showed him the debris. Now, according to Marcel Jr. in his book called the Roswell Legacy, he states that his father brought some of the UFO wreckage home and allowed him to handle it. And Marcel wrote that the material was metallic, end quote, I could see what looked like writing. At first, I thought of Egyptian hieroglyphs, but there were no animal outlines or figures.
Starting point is 00:31:23 They weren't mathematical figures either. They were more like geometric symbols, squares, circles, triangles, pyramids, and the like, end quote. I find that statement by Jesse Jr. interesting, because again, from his memory when he was 11, he's describing what looked almost like Egyptian hieroglyphs, on the wreckage that his father showed him. And again, to me, that kind of dovetails back to this Roswell Rock
Starting point is 00:31:50 that's got this crescent-shaped moon symbol. And Marcel Jr. is almost describing something similar here. Were you saying there were geometric symbols, squares, circles, triangles, pyramids? So is there a link there? Does this give more credibility to this rock not being a hoax? And then you add to it that it's got magnetic properties. and it's precision cut like you would see in Peru in the ancient walls. So what do you think?
Starting point is 00:32:22 Do you think the Roswell Rock has credibility? Do you think it's an authentic artifact? Is it ancient? Do you think it might have possibly flown out of some craft that crashed in the 1940s in Roswell, New Mexico? Or do you think it's a hoax? Let's journey now to Indonesia. So hidden away in what's known as the Bada Valley, I believe, south of the Lower Lindo National Park again in Indonesia, are hundreds of ancient, megalithic, and prehistoric statues estimated to be at least 5,000 years old.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Obviously, they might be much older than that. but they're estimated to be at least 5,000 years old. Now, it's not known for certain when these megaliths were made, nor who made them. But they were discovered apparently by Western archaeologists in 1908. Now, in the great scale of history, 1908 does not seem like it was that far off to me. but you are going to see these enormous cylinders known as Kalambas, and they range in height from five feet all the way up to 10 feet high, and they were crafted from individual blocks of solid stone.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Again, some would call these cylinders, others would call these containers, but, I mean, these appear to be made out of granite or something like granite. But these are massive stone containers. What's most impressive to me about these Kalambas or these giant container containers are the lids laying next to some of these things. They feature precision like elements on one of the lids are really intricate designs of what looks like creatures. But if these containers weren't amazing enough, we've got these humanoid-looking statues at range in height from two feet
Starting point is 00:34:37 to more than 15 feet high and depict these anthropomorphic and zoomorphic figures. Now, none of the statues you can see have legs, but most of them have large heads and display really interesting facial features and genitalia. largest of these statues is known as Palindo, I believe it's pronounced, which translates as the entertainer. And this is the largest standing stone of these statues. It measures over 15 feet high. Check out these photographs with people standing next to it. It's fascinating. And yeah, you can say he's got some pretty big genitalia there. Most of the statues have fallen over.
Starting point is 00:35:29 and I mean they're scattered all over. Some of them are half buried in streams, as you can see, in the middle of fields. They really seem to be all over the place. Now, I found it very interesting that the oral tradition among the village elders around this area states that these figurines are a representation of the population that preceded them. Okay, that's very interesting. We've got these humanoid-looking statues, some that are 15 feet tall, have these strange anthropomorphic features and very large genitalia. And again, measuring 15 feet high is this alluding to some kind of ancient race of hybrids, demigods, Nephilim, as Genesis 6-4 hints at.
Starting point is 00:36:29 The Book of Enoch talks about. So like the statues, back to the giant containers, obviously they remain a profound mystery that archaeologists haven't been able to solve. Many have propagated that these massive stone containers were simply ancient bathtubs. But again, there's giant lids found nearby that clearly fit these containers. So you've got 15 foot tall ancient statues that look like humanoids that oral tradition says represented the population that preceded them. And then you've got these ancient massive stone containers that look like they were made for giants. Man, I've got so many questions when it comes to the site, namely what were these giant containers used for?
Starting point is 00:37:29 Also, were the containers, do the containers predate the statues? Were the containers left from long ago and used by a possible giant hybrid race? Did a later civilization come along and erect the statues in remembrance of these giant deified ancestors? Or did this supposed previous giant civilization make the statues in remembrance of the themselves or as grave markers. Man, all kinds of questions and I hope someday to get to the site and see them from myself. All right. Now let's travel back to the good old US of A to the great state of Virginia where I teased at the beginning where something, or should I say someone was found in a cave. And this is coming from an actual New York Times article.
Starting point is 00:38:29 that I discovered from 1871. Okay, that's going back away. An 1871 New York Times report. And I'm going to link this exact article in the show notes below so that you can read it with your own eyes. And you can see that this is a bona fide New York Times article. Forgive me if this gets a little bit choppy because this is an old newspaper article. and the English is a little bit different than our modern day, but I'm going to do the best I can.
Starting point is 00:39:04 This article was titled, way back in 1871, quote, more big Indians found in Virginia, end quote. And this was published on September 8, 1871. It reads, quote, not to be behind Canada. Virginia puts in a claim of the possession of a cave, full of dead Indians. The Petersburg Index giving the tale, as quoted below, on the authority of gentlemen whom it asserts to be of the highest character and credit,
Starting point is 00:39:41 who have seen with their own eyes and touched and tested with their own hands, the wonderful objects of which they make report as follows. The workmen engaged in opening away for the projected railroad between Weldon, and Gersburg struck Monday about one mile from the former place, in a bank beside the river, a catacomb of skeletons, supposed to be those of Indians, of a remote age and a lost and forgotten race. The bodies exhumed were of strange and remarkable formation. The skulls were nearly an inch in three. thickness. The teeth were filed sharp, as are those of cannibals. The enamel perfectly preserved.
Starting point is 00:40:38 The bones were of a wonderful length and strength. The femur being as long as the leg of an ordinary man, the stature of the body being probably as great as eight or nine feet. Near the heads were sharp stone arrows, stone mortars, in which, their corn was braid. The teeth of the skeletons are said to be as large as those of horses. One of them has been brought to the city and presented to an officer of the Petersburg Railroad. The bodies were found closely packed together. There was no discernible ingress into or egress out of the mound. Okay, so at the beginning of this episode I teased that this was found in a cave, but as I'm reading the article again it says mound so these were found in likely an ancient
Starting point is 00:41:34 mound in Virginia these are apparently eight to nine feet tall it says they've got teeth as thick as horses teeth the femur on at least one of these was as long as the leg of an ordinary man and they had filed teeth that is so interesting and it says said thick skulls. So fascinating to me. I'm somebody who collects these articles from the late 1800s, early 1900s of this supposed race of someone called giants. They're usually anywhere from seven to eight or even nine feet tall. And again, they're often found in mounds. I would encourage you to go back and listen to the episode I did just a few weeks ago with Dr. Gregory little on the ancient mounds of America and what he calls the elite ruling class who ruled
Starting point is 00:42:33 the Americas thousands of years ago. We're talking maybe 8,000 years ago and further. He believed that there was a primitive, you know, peoples that lived in America back then during this mound building culture. But this elite ruling class. of seven to nine foot tall hybrids basically ruled the masses and set up these mounds that are astronomical. So go back and listen to that episode to see a bunch of amazing photographs of these mounds and to really get a deep dive on the origins of the ancient mound building
Starting point is 00:43:20 culture of America. All right, let's keep it in North America. but we'll travel just a little bit south back to Mexico to talk about the forgotten megaliths of Teotaywakan. And I will link to this article in the show notes. This is an article that researcher Marco Vagato wrote from Megalithic Marvels. A couple of years back, great research and analysis. And I wanted to read it for you guys. He writes,
Starting point is 00:43:53 Between the second century and the 5th century AD, the Great Pyramid city of Teotelacon was the largest in the western hemisphere, the Rome of America, with a population of nearly 250,000. Yet its monumental avenues and massive pyramids dedicated to the sun, the moon, and the feathered serpent conceal the vestiges of a much older and even more. mysterious past. The foundations of great megalithic buildings are visible under some of the structures of the ancient city. The older structures employing large, finely dressed megalithic blocks, in contrast to the later structures being largely built of mud bricks and small cemented stones. There is evidence that an immense megalithic structure may have one, once stood in the area now occupied by the pyramid of the feathered serpents. Hundreds of Andesite stone blocks, many weighing in excess of 10 tons,
Starting point is 00:45:04 lies scattered over a very large area and were apparently reused as part of the feeling of the pyramid. These blocks exhibit sharp edges, perfectly planar surfaces in complex concave surfaces that would have been nearly impossible to obtain from the primitive flint and obsidian tools supposedly available to the ancient builders of Teotawakon. Some of the stones recovered from the filling of the pyramid even show evidence of drilling and saw marks, as to suggest, some mechanical method for cutting stone. An immense effort must have gone into the quarrying, cutting, and fitting of these enormous stone blocks as no local source of antacite stone exists in a range of 25 miles from Teotewakan
Starting point is 00:45:59 across very rugged mountainous terrain yet there seems to be no trace of structures to which the stones originally belonged and again this blew my mind when Marco brought this to my attention but this is a fascinating question to consider does Teotayokan have a megalithic elements that go far, far back. I mean, you look at these photographs and you clearly see on this backside, I believe, of Teo Teocon, these megalithic blocks scattered. These are multi-ton blocks. Marco says some of these are 10 tons scattered. These are made of antacite. They're very, it's a very tough stone, but these are very ancient, so they're wet, yet you can still see their shape is kept up, they're very rectangular, sharp edges like
Starting point is 00:46:57 he says, these appear to predate everything else at Teotayewakan. This leads me to the biggest obvious question, is Teotelakan much older than we've been led to believe?

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