Megalithic Marvels - Mud-flood Cover-Up, Tartaria, Star-forts, Cathedrals & Secret PsyOps / Joe Telford

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Did a lost advanced civilization—often called Tartaria—once span large parts of the world and build monumental architecture before a worldwide catastrophe or "mud-flood" struck in the 18th or 19th century, leading to a historical reset? What was going on with the world-fairs of the 1800s and 1900s, where cities supposedly engineered massive buildings in record time only to demolish them soon afterwards? And what about the enigmatic star-forts and Gothic Cathedrals that appear to have been engineered with a sacred knowledge which we have since lost? In this episode I sit down with researcher & podcaster Joe Telford to talk about these enigmatic topics as well as MK Ultra & the Montauk project. JT pulls back the veil of our mainstream history narrative to reveal, what he believes, are glimpses of a forbidden hidden history... FOLLOW JT HEREJOIN ME ON A 2026 TOUR

Well, I am very excited to be joined by my friend JT follows J.C. again. We did an interview last year around this time on the mud flood, Tartaria, and all kinds of crazy topics. And it was wildly popular. So back by popular demand is J.T. How are you doing, man? I'm doing great. Yeah, that podcast definitely caught fire. And it was probably a little bit controversial for a lot of people in the comment section. But yeah, it was fun. I was just talking to you off air about how that topic has been something that I found super fascinating. And it's a very deep rabbit hole. And so the more I've gone down that, I became kind of a person that I've been going on a lot of shows talking about that. And I'm just like a regular guy. So I go out there and I do the same research that most people who are just interested in all these kinds of rabbit holes. And yeah, I mean, you find some crazy stuff out there.

And it's like it's not necessarily that I know exactly. what happened or what the true history is, but I mean, I think that there's a lot of proof that the history that we're taught is not true. Yeah, you're getting a lot of traction on your platforms, asking these questions and talking about these controversial subjects. And so I'm really excited about this interview because we're going to get back into the mud flood tartaria, old world architecture. We might even get into some behind the scenes government projects and

Psiops, sound frequencies, sacred geometry, star forts. We're going to talk about some crazy stuff. But first, just a quick reminder to everybody watching or listening. Please hit the subscribe button. Please like the video. You know all the fun stuff. If you're on Spotify or Apple, please give me a five-star review. Really helps me out.

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You're on the East Coast in Virginia. So this is East Coast meets West Coast. But again, I would like the rappers, though. Right. And I was telling you via Instagram, because I think that's where we first connected years ago was on Instagram. You've got on a great account, by the way. So everybody go follow JT, follows J.C. on Instagram and YouTube. That's his handle everywhere.

And so you and I talk on Instagram the most, but I was telling you how I caught up with an old friend named Spencer from Sacramento. I used to live in Sacramento. And this guy, we had some great times together. This was way back like in 2013. I'm living in Sacramento and I'm bumming around with Spencer and I'm telling him about government sciops and forbidden technology. He probably thought I was nuts back then. But today he's like all in.

And one of his favorite influencers is none other than JT follows JC. Awesome. I found that pretty cool that he was like, dude, you got to get him back for another interview. So shout out to Spencer, your biggest fan. I'm excited for this. It is sort of funny when I started like really kind of focusing on content was like the beginning of 2022.

So it really hasn't been that long. But when I first started, you know, going down the rabbit hole and I first got on TikTok, I was talking about a lot of the weirder conspiracies and symbolism, you know, kind of the secret society stuff. and, you know, the demonic influence on things. And so many people that I knew locally thought I was absolutely nuts. Like, he's gone way off the deep end, 2021, the pandemic and whatever, I obviously broke his mind.

And then it's funny now because, you know, when I'm not making content, I often don't really like listen to the kind of content that I make. I don't know if you're somebody like that. I usually listen to stuff like, you know, I listen to Tucker every now. And I know that a lot of people saying, oh, yeah, he's a sci-up and Candace and all that. But I just find it super interesting now that people like Tucker and Candice and shows like Sean Ryan show. And then people that Rogan go have, you know, they're going Joe Rogan. They're saying all the same things we've been saying for the last four years.

And yeah, a lot of people who are maybe considered normies, they're like, you know what? Maybe he wasn't so crazy because it is becoming a lot more mainstream. I know it's still fringe to like maybe the boomers, but a lot of people are saying, you know what? I'm pretty sure J.T. I'm pretty sure Derek said that a long time ago. And we rolled our eyes and just said, oh, my gosh. But now it's like people are ready for it, I guess, now.

It's insane. You're 100% right. I was just having this conversation with a friend yesterday, I think, on how crazy is it? First, you know, like I've always talked about. UFOs and people probably thought I was nuts. So that went mainstream a few years ago, right? And now I would talk about the Nephilim and it was really considered, you know, don't go there, especially in biblical circles, because you'll be thought of as a nut. And now we've got big TV shows like the House of David talking about the Nephilim. We've got Tucker Carlson talking about the Nephilim.

So now the Nephilim have gone mainstream and it's like giving cover. to the rest of the people that wouldn't speak up about it, having these discussions on the Nephilim now, right? On is there something, is there something to this? Yeah, well, it felt like a situation. I remember I went on, I'm pretty sure you're friends with Jenny Meyer. I went on her show a couple years ago, and we were talking about that. And it was my, it was my opinion based on my interpretation.

I was like, as a Christian, there's an acceptable amount of crazy to believe because, you know, you believe in a lot of supernatural things that can't be explained by science, right? I mean, we have a faith in that God sent his son to earth to die for us, who rose again, it's coming back in some kind of form or fashion, and then one day we're going to be in heaven with them. So that's wild. I mean, like, you know, the whole immaculate conception, virgin birth, that's, it's pretty crazy for a non-believer. But then there's the crazy where the Bible talks about demons. it talks about these the angels had relations with women and produced giants now that's too far that's like a bridge too far for certain people so like that's the thing like you say that you're like oh no that's that's not actually real history but as the research you've done i said obviously i really appreciate you i remember when i first heard you on blurry creatures years ago that you were compiling all those newspaper articles about the giant bones discovered in america and that always is

just tripped me out that, wow, this is really documented. And then, you know, when I looked into all the mythologies and just the, just the connected stories around the whole world, it's like they're all telling this story. So like it's really not crazy. So I think it's like some of us maybe had grown enough courage, had enough faith to go out there and say, I'm going to say this stuff. I don't care if they say that I'm crazy. I mean, I believe it's true. And I don't really care what you think about me. And yeah, I feel like that, yeah, God has given us a opportunity to be some of first people to talk about. I'm not saying I'm the first. I know that there's many people came before me, but it is interesting. And I think that people have realized they've been lied to over the past

couple of years. And if you haven't realized that, I'm not sure what it's going to take. But if they realize they've been lied to about the news, if the news that's very current is a lie and the, you know, the news over the past five years is a lie, well, you'd be pretty naive to accept that the history you're told is not with out its inaccuracies as well. Yeah, if they'll go through to such depths to feed us a daily diet of fake news, what will they do to convince us that history was something it wasn't? Because those who control the past, control the future, right? Absolutely.

So I'm excited about this interview. Again, it's everybody go follow JT, follows J.C on Instagram on YouTube. you've been putting out some reels that have been going viral. And one of your most recent ones, you did this reel about an old book you found that was called American Antiquities and Discoveries in the West. Break down kind of what you said in the reel. And then let's go deeper into this book and some of the strange things you found. Yeah, it's a really interesting book. It's by Josiah Priest.

And it's a reprint from a 1833. edition. And so this guy has a Christian, kind of a Christian worldview. And so he's kind of framing a lot of things from a biblical understanding and just trying to understand like the history about the place that, you know, is the new world to them. I mean, based on obviously this book, it would have been like the history we were taught, you know, Europeans had been in the land for about 300 years. But I find interesting about the book, just the general, you know, overall scope of the book, is the fact that there's mysterious things in the land that they don't really quite understand.

And so like you think about it now, we have like history books that have been given to us by a system that this is to history. Like this is facts. But in 1833, which they would have been closer to a lot of that quote unquote history, they still got a lot of questions. And I almost feel like that just the idea

that somebody's theorizing is kind of proof that, no, none of this stuff was settled. This stuff was a mystery of like who was there before we were. And it's like a lot of things that, you know, you kind of read in books like this is like I've, I've done my own research and I've had my own hypothesis about like the founding of America and like what was here first. And it kind of corroborates a lot of the stuff that we thought was that no, it's not as black and white as you were told. The interesting thing I read in there was that so it said that in America when the Europeans' first got here, there was every complexion of skin color, as was in Asia and was in Africa.

So there was white people, there was red people, copper color people, there were tawny colored people, there were olive skin color people, there was white people, there was black people just like in Africa. And that was really interesting because, I mean, do you think about it? Like, we're kind of taught we have a picture based on, I don't know, like school, you know, school illustrations of like them coming over and it's just people wearing loincloths and having feathers over their head and that's again i think that's like the whole cowboys and indian stuff i think that that's propaganda i think it was a little bit more complicated than that and what it mentions was that not

only where they're every complexion of skin color there was also giants and dwarfs here and i was just like okay so that's that's interesting so it says that straight in the book it says that basically you had every facial structure you had every different type of person complexion and everything here and it also said in the book that that some Native American tribes worshipped worship the god that they called Yehovah or basically Jehovah and so it was like you know without the why in the dial you know the ancient dialect it sounds exactly like the god of the Bible the creator and that's who they considered him to be And I said, that's really interesting because we would have told, we'd been told that they had no concept of the scriptures before that. And yet that's what they end up finding, finding people who had a similar worldview.

And so I read another book about the Franciscan friars. And they're kind of their evangelizing to the people in what they called New Spain, which is now considered Mexico. And it was like these people were so apt to accept the. gospel right away and it kind of makes sense if they did have kind of a maybe a more primitive understanding what the gospel was but they accepted it widely and in that same book it mentioned that columbus actually thought that the natives there were part of the the 10 lost tribes of israel and that blew me away it's like why would he have ever considered these people could be related to the hebrews but yet they thought that he thought that they thought that they

were that. And he also went on to say it was like that there's a, because there's a prophecy in second estrus, which is not in kind of your typical canonical books. It's in like the Septuagint. It's in, I want to say it's in, I think it's in Catholic Orthodoxy because, you know, he would have been a, you know, Spanish Catholic or coming from Spain. He was not actually a Spanish person, but he believed in the Catholicism like the Franciscan friars. And there was a prophecy in there when Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria, eventually they were going to leave. They were going to leave the pagan nation,

and they were going to travel to this land called Azareth. And there was connections that Columbus believed that the new world might have been Azareth, and he even connected it as far as to say that he believed that Solomon was getting his gold and jewels from places like Panama. And you're just like, that is such a strange thing to think without any kind of,

I don't know, without any kind of reality basis of it. Because there's a reason he thought that. And I think there's a reason they don't tell you that in school. I mean, because we're told a lot about what the early explorers did. But then there's so many things that are in the same journals that we get their greatest, you know,

exploration feats from. Yeah. But they omit things about giants and then kind of what they were really driven by. It's just crazy what you can find, like you're saying, looking into these old books before there was political correctness and before step was all watered down, right? I was mentioning how, you know, you see the specific examples that are most noteworthy, I guess, to people in America would be like that you have these buildings, you know, the oldest buildings from like the 1800s, early 1900s. They have two, sometimes two to three floors under the ground. And so that's why we focus on that is like, well, how do.

of these buildings get this sediment up to, you know, past the first floor. But then I was pointed out that this is like a worldwide phenomenon because you have places like Easter Island where one day they just decided to tell everybody that the Moai had bodies. They weren't just heads. And the part of, of course, it's funny for me, like, as somebody like who's a little bit more skeptical of the mainstream narrative. I'm like, how did you not know that already? Because you knew that that wasn't the top of them because you knew, you know that you didn't know how far they went down but you knew that they went down below the ground and then in some cases it looked like they were like 15 to 20 feet under the ground so where did that

how did that happen and so i think that's kind of like that's where my mind gets real curious about okay so if you know that there's sediment up to the the necks of these super tall statues well what if you excavated down to the bottom like cleared off everything kind of like what you see like the early pictures of Egypt where the saint is way up. And, you know, of course, like now the pictures where like the sphinx is, you see how far down they had to dig. And then obviously all the things you would find besides the giant statues that are down where the ground used to be.

Yeah, that's one of the great mysteries is why are so many of these moai buried standing vertically straight up? If they were just going to be knocked over by catastrophes and tsunamis, you'd think they'd all be laying flat. But they're like this, buried up to their neck. So something else going on there. But we've got to get back to the mud flood, Tartaria, very controversial subject. People go bonkers on this.

Kind of give us a refresher for those who might be new to this conversation. Now, tell me if I'm wrong, the people who are believers in this, Tartaria or Mud Flood would basically say that there was some kind of worldwide catastrophe in the 18th or 19th centuries, right, during which massive amounts of mud and dirt engulfed elaborate buildings and cities had been way previously built leading to a widespread cover-up of by governments and historians. Is that kind of it in a nutshell? Yeah, I would say that Tartari or Tartari or Grand Tartary, that's kind of a it's kind of been used as a blanket term for

unexplainable buildings, or at least the people who don't trust the mainstream explanation for the Gothic cathedrals, the maybe like the Greco-Roman architecture that seems to be everywhere, you know, all continents where people live, there's Greco-Roman things. There's all these castles and even in America,

like things that just, they don't really make sense to the historical narrative. That's why I always like to point out in America. The timeline is actually very short. You know, like we, we hear 1,500s they get here, but they're not doing anything past the Mississippi until, like, the early 1800s. And this is them just early explorers going out there. So then you think about these cities, you go out and see these early pictures of these cities,

like in Chicago, San Francisco. You look at Kansas City. You look at like Seattle, Seattle, Portland, all the cities. West and the earliest pictures they have these gigantic stone buildings all the state capital buildings so that's kind of like the idea where people are like i don't really trust that they did that back with horse and cart chisels before mass infrastructure to be able to facilitate you know the logistics of getting all the materials there and then when you kind of see not only the city timelines are very suspect by how quick they built the cities.

It's about that some of these buildings have the craziest one-year timelines where not only where they had no power tools, no real logistical way to get the stones from quarries, you know, similar to like kind of the stories of like the Great Pyramids, where it's like it's not only it's crazy if they built it, it's even crazier to think how did they get the stones to the building site? Now that's a question that people have asked. I think that's probably a more important question.

Like, how did they get the materials to the sites? And so, but when it comes down to it, like Tataria, the way that people view it, it's on old maps. Actually, it's funny because you could see if I could pan up. It's on one of these maps. It shows it basically in northern, eastern Asia. There's this empire called Grand Tartary or Tartaria. And people have kind of used as a blanket term to say, that building is Tartarian. Now, I think that's just maybe a, it's a gross oversimplification.

Now, Grant Tarty is, Grant Tartnery was a real empire. Now, what mainstream historians would probably tell you is that it was really like the Mongolian empire. So if you think about like Gingas Khan. But I think the way that, again, that's probably a similar way to describe the way that we think of Native Americans. Obviously, we have a picture in our mind of like what a Native American look like, or it looks like today.

In the same way, you might have the same. idea about like what a Mongolian person or like gingus con look like well gingus con it's interesting because his name is not a name ganges con is not a name it's a title gingus con would be something akin to like great king or mighty king and so he's just actually described as having red hair so it's like it's a situation where they're telling you part of the story but they're not telling you the full story i think probably like by the time that these empires were taking hold there's it's probably multi-ethnic almost everywhere So whatever your picture is of this empire or the Mongolian empire in this battle with the Chinese,

it's different than we're taught. So I think that that empire obviously shares this architectural style. But the truth is the architectural styles everywhere, which leads some people to include, well, the Tartarian empire took over the whole world. And I think it's actually more like that in the same way that you, I'm sure you've discovered, that if you find pyramids on every continent, there was a connected to civilization, but it didn't necessarily mean that it was all one nation or one empire.

It was just there was this connected knowledge around the world. But yeah, to what you were to point about, there was some kind of calamity, some kind of catastrophe that broke our history. And this is separated, like what was known before and was common knowledge to what we're taught now that might not necessarily explain how they actually did things or or more about like what I was saying about about that book. Like why why don't we know more? Because that's the real truth of the matter is that before I ever kind of became a believer in this kind of lost, you know, advanced civilization that was not

that old. It was my goal was to find out if it was true or to find out if I could debunk it. And the truth is when you started to research maybe the probably between, I guess their early 1900s and basically to the beginning of the dark ages, almost the first century, history is like shadows of history. There's very, there's very minuscule accounts of things that should have had way more written about them. And I think that's the truth is that there's a lot of mystery that's like they didn't really know what came before. But now we're told, okay, here's a book. And this is, this tells you everything you need to know. But I don't trust them.

interesting. There's definitely so many cover-ups for from history, whether it's, we're talking ancient megalithic history or even as recent as the 1800s like you're kind of describing here. Let's get into some examples of these structures. I know in the past we talked about the craziness with the world fairs in the 1800s. Tell us a little bit about that and how they built these incredible supposed buildings in record time and then tore them down. Yeah, so that was probably one of my first maybe clues to the history that was a little bit fabricated about the United States is when you see the picture from the 1993 Columbia exhibition in Chicago, and what they called it was the White City.

And so what we're told now is like these World Affairs were something akin to like the Olympics that each town got them every so often, except for it's not. not every four years or over two years. It's there was just randomly these, these world fairs. And supposedly these towns got them and then they built within two years. Yeah, they built all the infrastructure and all these new buildings for this grand fair for visitors from all over the place to come to.

Now, but when you see the pictures of them, you're like, that seems very intricate. That seems very massive. These buildings are not just, they're not with. you consider now because I think it's funny they actually had a I want to say in the 1970s they had a world fair I think in Seattle and if you go look up the pictures of that it's kind of what you would expect they're building things that are big and they're more like tent-like structures and then you can tell that they're facades of things but they don't really have any kind

of real weight to them they don't really look like they're they have they lack the gravitas of something that you see from these old world pictures where you couldn't you could have convinced me that that was ancient Rome when I saw the pictures of Chicago. And so that Chicago is obviously only one example. Another great one was, I think it was the Louisiana, the Louisiana Purchase Exhibition in St. Louis. I think that was 1904. There was one in Omaha. There's one in Pennsylvania. There's one in, I'm sure I'm missing a ton of them. San Francisco. Like all these kind of big cities had one. And when I looked at those pictures as like, I mean, I had a background in construction, my family owned a construction company. We worked with plaster and drywall and metal framing and all

that kind of stuff. So we did mostly commercial work. When I saw those buildings, I said there's no way those are temporary. They're too big to be temporary. I think that's part of what people really don't quite grasp. Some people would say the mainstream narrative says that these are more like Hollywood sets and they're made of wood and, I guess, chicken wire and plaster and it wasn't really, you're not, basically don't believe you're lying eyes. This is, this is actually temporary stuff. But the truth of the matter is the way construction goes, when you build something that big, it's got to be very sturdy. It's got to be very structurally sound. And in, I want to say it was the 1876, they had what they called was the centennial, centennial celebratory.

in Philadelphia, so it's like the celebrating 100 years of America. They built the biggest building in the whole world at the time for this exhibition, which I want to say it was 20 acres inside, I believe. So you get to 1893 for the Columbia exhibition in Chicago, and they did it again, except for they built a building that was 44 acres inside. The interior was that big. What? Yes.

And the truth be told, the mainstream narrative does not add up if you're saying it's all made out of wood because you can see insides of them because they show some of the exhibitions and the insides and you can kind of see you can see the steel that are supporting the roofs. I mean, a lot of these places look so big. They look like airplane hangers. And I remember my dad. It was funny because he was resistant to so many conspiracies I was talking about.

And I was like, Dad, you know that they say that those things are just made out of wood. And he's like, no, they couldn't be. even if it was kind of the plaster that we would use and it wasn't made of stone because this would have had a cement base to it. And when you see the details on these buildings and these domes, these rotundas, all the details, the statues, it would have been so heavy that you would have had to have a steel frame. So my opinion, my professional opinion, it makes no sense. And not only that, you see these early pictures of these things, they're lit up with electricity. And so, like, you think about the story of electricity. Again, that's the crazy part about the 1800s,

is you have so many advancements in technology in such a short amount of time where things are being invented and almost becoming obsolete as soon as they invent them. But if you look at the story between, like, Tesla and Thomas Edison and them fighting over between direct current and alternating current, you know, of course, Tesla wins in the end, but kind of loses because they end up buying out

his patents. Supposedly he was responsible for getting, you know, this technology for lighting Chicago. This was like brand new. Like literally, like this is like, I want to say that it was in like the 1880s that like this stuff was finally taking root. And this is a time where there would have been millions and millions of little light bulbs everywhere in Chicago. And this is back before you could have mass produced them. You might have been able to produce the glass in a factory. but all like the filaments and all the parts for the lights, that would have had to been made by hand. And so like that's the thing.

It's like when you actually dig down to like the logistics of how much they could have done in such a short amount of times. I mean, I'm going to say in Chicago, they built like 200 buildings. And again, massive, grand buildings, amazing buildings. So that's concluded a lot of us to believe that now those buildings were already there. They just demoed them. and now they say that they were temporary, but I guess the truth be told,

you build a building and you demo it later, it's, I guess it's temporary, but I don't think that it was made to be temporary. It doesn't look temporary. These buildings look like they had age and they had weight to them. And what I find interesting is the idea

that the Chicago is called the White City. And I think, this is my theory on this, is that the buildings were already there and they painted them and they cleaned them up. And that's why they were painted all white. And they looked, and new, but these buildings were old.

And this was before we had, you know, giant industrial cranes and a semi-truck tractor trailers to move all this material. And it is wild to consider. I remember last time we talked, we got it on a rabbit hole about some Star forts. And tell us, remind us about Fort Jefferson and then any other. buildings like that that you think fit into this category of a possible mud flood cover up. Yeah, the Star Fort is another one. It's a, what they call them is they're called them Bastion forts.

But when you see like the aerial views of these things, they've got some serious sacred geometry in them. And what we're told is, I forgot what they called it. It was some kind of like a defense after the war of 1812 with the British. It was like a third tier defense. I forget the name. But supposedly they built all these forts all around the coast during this time to potentially protect against another invasion or something like that. But the funny parts about it is that a lot of these star forts, they were built. And they're given a decent amount of timeline of like when they were built.

So it's not like the one year construction timelines. But it's like they start building these star forts. And then lots of them are a big. abandoned like right away like supposedly like right when they're done they're no no longer used for the purpose of a of a fort but yeah fort jefferson is a really interesting one because that's the one that's one of the ones that it just made me laugh out loud when actually it was reading the story about this place it is 70 miles off the coast of florida like kind of kind of more toward the gulf side of florida and this is what they say it has the most bricks of any structure in the whole

hemisphere. It's got 16 million bricks in this structure. And of course, it was built in the 1800s. And when you look at the pictures of it, you have to see it. It's the star fort takes up like 100% of the little island that's on. And the craziest part about this whole thing is that there's no fresh water on that island. So they would add to you cisterns, I guess. But I mean, the whole point is like the logistics of shipping bricks, pallid after pallet after palat, 16 million bricks. And then when you think about it as well as this, again, like all the old world stuff, the craftsmanship is perfect. It's everything is perfect.

And there's, you know, I'm not, I was never in brick masonry. Of course, I'm not a free, I know everybody was like, okay, he's a freemason. But no, the, the brick masonry, I'm not exactly sure about all the styles, but I've, I've read that, there are certain different types of techniques, how you arrange the bricks, and they use the most complicated one. But when you see like the arches and the inside of it and then the walls, the one thing that these star forts seem to all have in common is that, you know, if we build a wall today, it's big enough to fit in whatever the plumbing is or whatever the electrical work they need behind it. But it's typically, you know, you have load bearing columns, but the

walls only as thick as you need it to be. For some reason, these forts had walls that were like six foot thick of bricks. Again, 16 million bricks. And so supposedly they built it to be a fort. And I thought, like strategically it didn't seem like it made sense to me. Like you're on, if you're going to be fighting the British, like, why is the forts like on the other side of Florida seemed like it would be easy to avoid by ships? Of course, some people say it was used to protect against, I don't know, like Davy Jones or, you know, Captain Jack Sparrow, maybe it was like pirates or something. But, yeah, it doesn't seem like it makes a lot of sense where it's at. And then, again, history says that eventually it was used as a prison. And it was also said that they

were using prisoners to build it. You know, they were using slave labor and prisoners to build it. But again, that kind of goes back to, I'm sure, like, you've heard a million times from the mainstream, is that, well, how did the Egyptians build the pyramids? Oh, they had a lot of people. They had a lot of slaves to do it. Well, again, as somebody in construction, it doesn't matter if you have a lot of people if they don't know what they're doing.

Actually, that doesn't make anything easier because we're talking about perfect craftsmanship that are immaculate structures that, again, that these things will last forever because they were built by people who knew what they were doing.

It's wild when you consider some of these points you made about Port Jefferson specifically. This thing was supposedly built in 1846. So, I mean, this is before 1850. 1846, that just seems old to me. 16 million bricks transported 70 miles from the main coast of Florida. And I guess it's also Wikipedia says it's the largest brick structure in the Americas. Yeah, in the western hemisphere, yeah.

In the middle of nowhere, 16 million blocks where slaves and prisoners literally built it, they say, for 30 years and then they just stopped. And they never used it for anything. They never used it. And so it was left unfinished, built by prisoners and slaves, no fresh water. It really makes you start to wonder. And then like you said, when you look, Google, everybody Google Fort Jefferson, look at some of the images. images, the brick is elaborate, like you're saying, the inside of it is just, it doesn't look like this is a fort for war.

It's like, what was there another purpose for this? But it definitely feels anomalous. And like you said, the sacred geometry, it's too fancy to be some war fort out there. The way you look at the drones I view and it's this, it's sacred geometry, right? So crazy. Let's talk about some of these crazy cathedrals. You just did a video about a real I saw somewhere on these cathedrals, especially in Europe. And how, you know, they were supposedly built over a 500-year period.

And you were doing the math on like America's only been around for 200-some years. Is this realistic? So tell us about that. Yeah. think it's funny because most often people focus on the one-year timelines, which I think is valid. Because those are preposterous in a lot of cases that some of these buildings that are amazing stone structures in they're built in one year in a very primitive time, again, before power tools and all those things. But I was joking about that I think it's almost equally absurd to think that they built churches over 600 and 600-year spans. because that's again that's that seems like a dicey proposition to start a project

that's going to take that long to finish because you can't guarantee you're ever going to finish if that's how long it's going to take because i was saying that empires rise and fall in much less time than 600 years i mean at least historically what we're taught about them like you think about like the greek empire if they're working on something that would have taken that long they never would have finished it but yet you see what the greeks build built, you see what the Romans built, we're never told that they took that long to build things. And when you do see the one year timelines, it's like, so something does not quite fit. I mean, when you look at these cathedrals, I mean, they're amazing.

So, I mean, whatever they did, however they did it, I'm not saying it wouldn't take that long. I mean, it would take people today way longer. I mean, if you think they actually just finished something called the Sagrada Familia in Spain, and they supposedly took 144 years to build this. And it's now the tallest one in the world. It's not near as aesthetically nice as these other ones. These other ones are just so pristine. And even the outsides do not do justice to how amazing they are

when you go inside them, like the Milan Cathedral. When you see the way the ceiling looks and you see these columns that just make people just look like ants walking around them, with every intricate detail everywhere all throughout these things. It's amazing. And so, yeah, if you think about just 1776, the founding of America, if you would have started one of these buildings, you wouldn't even be halfway done with some of them today.

Now, I said that that, to me, I can't think of any practical reason. I know some people would say they're doing it for God, but you think about the story about Solomon's Temple. Well, they built that in a generation. I mean, like, what examples do you have previous that people would have worked on something they would have taken that long without any benefit to not yourself, your kids, your grandkids, your great-grandchildren, your great-great-grandchildren, your great-great-grandchildren? Like, to me, that makes no sense.

And you think, like, yeah, that with wars and resets, lost technology, all those risks are out there. And it's, again, it's like, it's a situation. where you're going to devote this much resource of your life to something that is not practical to you to even like distant future generations. I don't know. I just find that hard to believe. And I think one of the really telling things about them is that when you go visit them, you would think that you'd find the transitions in the centuries they were built.

Because if you think about obviously, again, you're getting. stones from quarries. The stones are going to be different, the different kind of building techniques. They eventually evolved or devolved over the years. But these buildings look like they were built at the same time. So I find that, again, I find that curious. Just the narrative just doesn't make sense to me. That's a fascinating little tidbit of information you just said there. Because if one of these huge Gothic cathedrals was built over a 500-year period, let's say you've got a manager managing the project, right? At most, he's going to manage the project maybe 50 years with our lifespans.

Right? So you're looking at 10 project managers, right? And again, with the involvement of construction and methods, you would clearly see differences. you'd think almost every 50-year period or at least every 100-year period, but like you're saying, it's like it was one builder the whole time.

That's kind of really great. Somebody did it in one shot somehow. And I think that's where you get into the questions, like, well, so how did they do it? I mean, so that's, I mean, that's like an interesting question to all this stuff. I mean, it's the same thing, again, with the ancient megaliths.

Like, I'm never willing to say how they did it. I could guess, but I'm thinking it's a mischief. because the buildings exist. So somebody did them. So even if you don't believe they were built in the 1800s, you don't believe they were built in, you know, 1072, which was, I think they were saying the Milan Cathedral was started then. I'm sorry, that was actually Lincoln Cathedral in England,

which is once the tallest structure replaced the Great Pyraman as the tallest structure in the whole world. Now, if you think about that, they built that, started building at 1072. too. What they also say is a lot of these cathedrals, they took massive breaks. Like there was these long periods of time where they weren't building anything. Again, that would lead you to believe that there would be way more differences between the starting and stopping point. Because if anybody knows anything about construction, you've got to finish a whole wall at the same time. Because if you don't, you're going to see where the transition is. You're going to have to put some

on a break in there because the finishes are just not going to match anymore. But it's funny because it's kind of similar to even what we're told about the Great Wall of China, which some people in this community would call the Great Wall of Grand Tartary. Because if you look at where the, I guess where the arrow positions were, where you shot your arrows out, a lot of them are facing into China. And so this is another one that I just kind of laugh out loud about just the ever, well, maybe not ever believing the story. It was like never really knowing the full story of the Great Wall of China.

was for one, the Great Wall of China is 13,000 miles long. I saw this on a video the other day and I said, I think they mean 1,300. I looked it up. It was 13,000. America is like 2,500 miles across. Just think about that. So this wall is this long.

Of course, so what history says is this was built over the course of like thousands of years. Why? Like seriously, like the question of like, again, practicality. Okay, so you have this, you know, you have this disagreement between peoples where you have raiders and people coming in and out. How does a wall that takes that long to build

benefit you at all? I just can't see why. So like, again, it's only, like walls only make sense if you can put them up quick. It's kind of like you think about our southern border, whether you're right wing or left wing. You understand how borders work. That if Trump proposed that we're going to shut the border down,

It's going to take 2,000 years. I think people would say, all right, what's plan B? Because that's idiotic. I said, if I'm a practical guy, and I'm not saying necessarily, I'd be a good ruler, but I'd say, let's go kill those people. That would be way more efficient than building a massive wall that would take that long to build. Again, it's, I don't know.

I just feel like that people were not that much different. They've never been that much different. You know, we all have the same kind of desires and hopes and ambitions and things like that. So when you think about like trying to put yourself in people's shoes a thousand years ago or 2,000 years ago, even going back to the days of Noah, people are, I think, mostly been like normal people. If it doesn't make sense to you now, well, then something had to be dramatically different then. And that's the only thing that makes sense because I don't think that based on the technology, we're told that they had that those projects make any sense. People would get laughed at for discussing 500-year timelines, 1,000-year timelines. It makes no sense to me.

It's nuts. A couple years ago, I was in England, and I was there for a megalithic tour to see Stonehenge, which was incredible in all of these ancient Neolithic tombs. It was a great tour. So, you know, cathedrals weren't really on my radar, but where we were staying was near this, amazing town of Salisbury, England. And guess what was there? One of the greatest cathedrals in all of England. And approaching it, I was dumbstruck. You know, again, I'm a megalific guy. Like, to me, that's the greatest thing I could see here, Stonehenge. But I have to admit,

seeing this cathedral, approaching it, going inside of it, was as great as visiting Stonehenge. I was so overwhelmed by the scale of this one cathedral. And I guess it's got the largest, it's got the tallest spire in the UK, you know, the top. It's 404 feet. It was so massive. You're going, how did humans make this in 1220? That's when they say they started construction, 1220. And this thing, again, it just, it's beyond the imagination.

I found it very interesting when you go inside, there is a plaque. And it said something, I'm paraphrasing here, it said something like built, this was built to make mankind worship. But it was alluding to its grand design and scale, right? They wanted to make it so overwhelming that you couldn't help but just. I guess worship. But then when the bill started to strike in there, dude, resonance. Like I say often, I'm not a big feeler like some people. But when that bell was going off, it was kind of like you could feel it pulsating.

I could feel it pulsating through me. And so I started to go down the whole resonance rabbit trail with these cathedrals. But anything you want to say on the natural energies and residents. Absolutely. you think about it even going back to what we're talking about the star forts what another name for some these forts are batteries so if you think about cathedral another name that's very similar is cathode so it has is that where this is coming from it's like this natural thing that is potentially built to harness energy and through electromagnetism tapping into the ether and yes absolutely it has to have

something to do with vibrations and frequencies. It just, I think we all know it to be true. And I think that that's kind of like when we talk about like what was really hidden from us based on this break in our history. Because that's what a lot of people have concluded. And I'm inclined to agree that a lot of these buildings almost look like they were manifest with sound. Like somehow the stone was shaped with sound.

Because if you look at the rose windows, those things have like our perfect cymatic patterns. And so there was a really interesting documentary I saw a while back, and it was tying a lot of things together about that you have all these certain elements to these old world structures that usually revolve around water, geometric patterns, and then you have, as well as the spires and things on them that look like, they look like electrical conductors. and so I was starting to wonder about like the idea of yeah that you have a lot of these times in these these buildings you have these gigantic pipe organs or you have bells and I think that there's just something about us I guess inherently we kind of know like there was a time ago I watched this documentary on the BBC and it was talking about architecture and it was kind of more of like a rebuttal of like this brutalist architecture that came about after World War II and how horrible it is is like there's something about architecture and the way probably the materials they use,

it makes us feel a certain way. And so whatever that brutalist architecture makes you feel, these cathedrals are the exact opposite. You walk into them and there's something about it. And it really is interesting to think about the idea that when you see certain frequencies and certain vibrations, when they put like water on a sandplate and they show like the somatic patterns that it's making, And you think about it, like we're made of how much of water.

I mean, depending on who you ask, it's like 70 to 90%. So you go in a place that has this natural resonance that gives you some kind of symmetry. I think that that's what I think they absolutely were about. Yeah, you go in there, you worship God. They hit the bell. They play the organs. And there's something uplifting of our spirit. I mean, like literally something that is our body is made to feel this way.

And I think that we all feel it. So yeah, the question is, is this is how, is this how they were built? Is this potentially how, or this is what they were used for where this was a form of, you know, just being in there, it made you want to worship God because it made you feel good. And not just in a kind of a hippie-dippy way. It's like it made, it was like there was real results. And this is not me discounting like the Holy Spirit making you feel good. and in your own house, praise in the Lord.

This is something like that these buildings were like conductor into the spiritual. I've got a book called Serpent in the Sky. It's one of the foremost books on learning about the forbidden history of ancient Egypt. It's written by the late John Anthony West. So again, if you love reading dead authors, this is a must read for kind of the ancient forbidden history, especially of Egypt. but he actually taps into talking about the cathedrals. And I wanted to read this real quick. Again, this is from the book Serpent in the Sky, author John Anthony West.

He says this, much mystery still surrounds the building of the cathedrals. The techniques employed were not part of the Christian tradition up to that time. The effect created by the cathedrals was unlike anything earlier and no one today is certain where the knowledge came from. The cathedral builders appeared in France in the 11th century. For the next three centuries, the movement was widespread over Europe, and whatever was responsible for the guiding spirit seemed to disappear as abruptly as it had appeared.

In the later cathedrals, like St. Peter's of Rome or St. Paul's, London, for example, the spiritual effect is not the same. Everyone notices. That effect is not the result of accident. Modern structures fail to convey a similar effect. The cathedral's work, as do the Parthenon and the Taj Mahal, because whoever designed them had precise and profound knowledge of universal, harmonic, rhythmic, and proportional laws,

and equally precise and profound knowledge of the manner in which to employ these laws in order to create the desired effect. And then it ends with this. The cathedral age represents the height of European civilization. The precise knowledge that went in to building the cathedrals was mysteriously lost or diffused, never again to become a visible living force in the West. Isn't that kind of a fascinating breakdown of that? Yeah, well, I mean, I think it's really interesting.

I mean, what he said was, I agree, that this idea to build these kind of cathedrals just comes out of nowhere, we're told. and comes out of the dark ages, out of all places, again, that I think that's a good clue to, you know, to say that they weren't the dark ages, that this technology, this building style comes out, and then it's everywhere, and then it's gone. That, again, that makes no sense logically. If you think about the progression of man,

at least the way they want to teach us it was, is that there was clearly a reset in there. And that's interesting when we get into, like, what I like to talk about on my channel a lot about I tie this into like the second coming of Christ. I believe that a lot of the book of Revelation had been already been fulfilled. And that was one of the things that really kind of tripped me out to get me to, to go further research this kind of topic was the idea that what if this was the millennial reign of Christ?

What if this is when these buildings were built? You know, so that's where like kind of Tartaria kind of gets its explanation. It's not a worldly explanation. It's like that these people were divinely inspired to build these. buildings, if not had help from like resurrected saints or the angels. I mean, so these kind of structures do not make sense to us now. And it does not make sense to us if not only they were less advanced in us. These people were worried about scarcity. So they were worried about not freezing to death in the wintertime and they were worrying about not starving. And then they were

doing things that are buildings that are complete works of art. And they're more. And they're more than just works of art because they're not only aesthetically pleasing, but they have a technology associated with them with, yeah, the, that you don't accidentally make the rose windows that mimic the frequency and the somatic patterns in the building. Those people knew what they were doing.

Like, as somebody in construction, I walked into St. Patrick Cathedral in New York, the very first time I went, you know, I went and saw kind of the sites. We walked a ton when we went there. But when I went in St. Patrick's, I was just like, I don't even, I don't even know how, I don't know what the blueprints would look like for this place. There's, like, I don't know where to begin, like that how anyone would say how much this is going to cost.

It's just, it's, it's, like, when I say unbelievable, it's unbelievable that somebody did that. And a time, again, we're talking about these are the best buildings, in my opinion, these are the best buildings like in the whole world. as far as like aesthetically just the geometry that goes into them and then a practical purpose for them. Yeah, you're right that I was most fascinated with the ancient megaliths just because of the size of them. But then you look at these and you're like, okay, they might not be quite as big in all cases, but they are impressive in a whole different way. And you could walk past them in your town and you could just like, that's pretty cool. But like putting actual real thought into people decided.

to build this. And they all decided to build this around the same time. It makes me think that, yes, that that idea that there was a millennial reign of Christ, and it might not be how people think it's supposed to be or how it's supposed to be in the future. But there's like an evidence that there was a calamity sometime, I believe, in 563 or 536 AD. And then this could potentially have been when our history was broke. It was like broke right at the beginning of the dark ages. that led into, you know, the buildings that we can't make sense of. You know, even one more thing, and I'll let you ask another question, but I thought it was interesting, the story of like Michelangelo.

Even the name Michaelangelo, isn't it kind of funny that some of these famous, you know, artists, have a name that's very similar to, like, I don't know, you think about just the name, Michael Angelo. It's like Michael Angel, Archangel. Archangel Michael It's attributed to him That he's done so many great works of art And I thought it was interesting that

What he said about the Pantheon in Rome Like the dome Like the it's the biggest unsupported concrete dome In the whole world in Rome Still Still I mean suppose this is built like in the second century He said this is not the work of men

This is the work of angels That's a quote from him I guess he was going to work on St. Peter's Basilica Like why would he say that? I mean, it's like it's something that like we have considered. Like, why are these cathedrals, not only they completely ornate, but most of them have these massive doors to get into them. Like these, right. It's nonsensical how big the doors are to some of these structures. And you do wonder, it's like, the only reason to build a super big door is because you're going to put something

in there that's really big or the people are about that size. I'm not saying. I'm not saying, I'm not saying they were all giants going into them or giants building them. But it is interesting to think that if they were encountering giants in the 1700s, and then obviously you have all the research about these bones, I mean, maybe there were giants during that time too. Or maybe angels are described as being very big in certain texts. Having been in the construction industry, you know, I've overseen many building projects. You know, we know the importance of a foundation. But it's just so crazy, having studied megalithic history,

looking at, you know, I think of Sok-Sea-Waman in Peru, these massive polygonal walls, the biggest stones at conservative estimates are 200 plus tons. Mortarless, you can't fit a hair through the joints. And then you consider the cathedrals, right? 400 plus foot tall spires. And here we build literal crap today, especially over here on the West Coast. On the East Coast, you guys still have some kind of cool old stuff like you were mentioning.

Here we have almost nothing. Like, I mean, when you drive by any school, it looks like a prison. When you look at the government buildings, they're the most unappealing, suck the life out of you, architecture. It doesn't inspire. It depresses. And then again, just your classic craftsman Rambler that we would build out here in Seattle is the most boring thing you've ever seen, you know, especially if you're buying a track shack in some town. They're just all cookie cutter the same. Any thoughts on that real quick?

The incredible old world architecture versus the crap we have to look at today. Yeah, I mean, of course, we have a different kind of economy than they had. clearly. I mean, I think that's just the most simple way to say it, is that we build buildings now to make widgets in. And you make them the cheapest, most efficient way you can make them, and it doesn't matter other than that. And they are, and it is interesting to think like that, you know, you look at old neighborhoods, even like neighborhoods from like the 80s. They were built in the 80s or further back than that. The house is all different. They each had like a different architect who had a different style to build the house. And there's got to be.

something about this is it's all intentional is that they want us to all be the same. You know, so they build our neighborhoods and our houses all to be exactly the same. They put you in different little square boxes in these apartment buildings so you can all be like the same. It's like they want us to be drones and they're trying to suck the individuality out of all of us. And that's what I said, I was like that documentary in the BBC, this is before I ever started to look into any of this stuff. But being somebody who's in construction, I was, I could appreciate great architecture. And I just, I never really thought about how architecture makes you feel. And it was talking about that brutalist style.

And it was, it's, it's oppressive just to look at it. So if you have a court appointment and it's a building that looks like that, you're already feeling like intimidated and feeling like beaten before you even walk in the building. Yeah. Versus, yeah, your spirit wants to sing when you go into one of these grand cathedrals. And so what it was saying was that they did a poll in like, I guess in in England or in Great Britain back in like the 60s and they asked them what kind of style of houses they would like because they were going to start building some more community housing and they all said they wanted like

the brownstone buildings you know like with you know with the style you think about like you know like Williamsburg and in Brooklyn and places like that where you have these brownstones and they do look they look nice and so there's something about you that if you if you're given something nice that you appreciate it and you'll take care of it versus the the the the the public housing that they did build, that was the exact opposite. And so what ends up happening in these places is that it makes you feel bad and then people treat people bad in places that look like that. You know, you think about all these water-stained buildings and these slums versus like you

think about an area that is, has some older, you know, you think about like me, that Charleston style of house where you have like the, you know, the covered porches and you have the columns and stuff. You know, people fix those houses up. they restore houses, old houses that look like that. And I guess there's something about it that it's hard to really quantify, but we all know it to be true, that there is a vibe. And I think that, and I'm saying that not like in a new agey way,

but I think that that's a real thing is that there is a vibrational frequency. There's something about things that are aesthetically pleasing that actually do affect us physically. Yeah, the psychological effect is real. Like I grew up here in the Pacific Northwest in a small town like you were saying where houses were built 60s, 70s, 80s. So when you'd take the dog for a walk, you know, you feel inspired because you're looking at all this different uniqueness and diversity and construction styles. And then like when I went to Virginia, I was telling you last year my first time to the Charlottesville area, I was so inspired visiting these friends. inspired presidential homes of Thomas Jefferson. And that's so much different feeling than like when I lived in Orange County a couple

years ago. And literally like you're saying, everything is the same. Every house looks the same. Sure, you got nice weather in palm trees. But you go on a walk, you don't feel inspired. And so it is the psychological effect is real. There's something to this. But let's close out talking about secret societies, styops, you've been hitting on so many secret societies and mind control. It seems like you've been getting into some of that lately. Any rabbit trail you want to start on with that? Oh, that's a deep one. But I think that when you do look into like Operation Paperclip about, you know, the Germans who came after World War II into America and the programs they were working on, I feel like MK Ultra is is a massive one.

I think it's like it's, it can't be understated how, or overstated how big a deal this is, this idea of mind control that they're working on. And I feel like it's infiltrated basically everything. It's about messaging. You know, you think about like the idea of like the three-letter organizations and their project mockingbird where they infiltrate news organizations. And, you know, as mentioned Tucker Carlson. A lot of people would say that he had connections with his father and was like Voice of America.

and so they can outright be putting into messages. But I think the MK Ultra stuff is really interesting when you consider like Hollywood and like what they show you in the movies. What we see with that show Stranger Things, I think really was like one of the things when I finally understood about all the stuff that Stranger Things was based on a real story.

It's based on this thing called the Montauk project. And they were originally going to name the show Montauk. And so if you think about everybody who's seen the show, understands that you have these kids in this program where they are trying to get these kids to go into the upside down in some kind of way. They're seeing if they got special powers. Almost like the idea of what you've even seen in the comic books with like the X-Men, right? They have this school, Charles Xavier has this school for gifted youngsters. Of course, it's told in a different way, but I think that all that stuff fits together where

what they show you in Stranger Things is that they were trying to, to get these kids to astral project more or less. And that's exactly what happened with the Montauk project in Camp Hero. And I just couldn't help but like to see the symbolism of what they were actually showing you. Like in the show that it's again, it's a fictionalization of this real story that happened. I mean, the government literally had to apologize for what they were doing to very deprave things to animals and to children.

And the story about like 11, 11 looks kind of like at the beginning of the show. show he's got really short hair. That's because in the Montauk project, they called them the Montauk Boys. It's because they were all boys that they were in this program. And the way that they kind of show in that show that she comes out of this program, she was like abducted to be in this program. And what they show the story about like how Will Byers is he is in quote unquote upside down. But I think what they're actually showing you in that show is that the, The lab snatched him, and that's how he was in the upside down. Because that's what the real program was.

Because, again, you fictionalize it by saying he somehow went through this portal into this different dimension. But they kind of show you in the show that you can get there when 11's in some kind of a tank, and she can just zone out and she can actual project into that place. So what they actually show you is that that Will Byers is not, his physical body is not gone. I know that's what the show tells you, but what I'm seeing in the show is that, This is what this is. This is like the idea of where I think even a lot of the alien abduction stories come from. I think that it has a lot to do with MK Ultra because what MK Ultra was famous for doing was

is that it was erasing real memories and implanting false memories in people. You know, besides the fact for mind control, you know, there's trigger words to get these people to potentially be even Manchurian candidates. But I started to think about that. Michael Heiser had, I thought he had an awesome take about like the majority of UFO phenomenon, how it's interesting that most of it takes place around military bases. And he was saying, it's like the perfect cover story because he was talking about a story about how, and they had the 50th year anniversary of Roswell.

And people were asking, he was asking a, a colonel, I think, in the Air Force about, you know, like, how can you explain this? this Roswell incident based on these certain dummies we're using because you actually didn't, the military didn't start using those two years later. And then the colonel said, oh, well, the people actually are remembering it wrong. They're experiencing time compression. And of course, Michael Heiser was like, what are you talking about? Time compression.

He's basically saying like that it hasn't been 50 years. It's actually been sooner. And he's like, of course, talk about the major gas lighting. It's like, but we're here at the 50th anniversary of it. There's newspaper articles. It's not a couple people misremembering. it's like everybody's misremembering it. So, of course, his take, which I loved was they want this conspiracy to continue on.

They want people to think that they've got maybe little green aliens or gray aliens under their military base and their dums. Because if they were actually working on a secret stealth fighter, well, they would much rather you say it's a UFO and not one of their, secret government projects. And so I thought in the same situation that if you think about like alien abduction stories that if you had somebody who quote unquote told you they got abducted by aliens, they got probed and everything,

a lot of people are going to say, ooh, I'm going to slowly back out of the room. It's like, good luck with that. Versus if the real story is that somebody, some feds grabbed somebody threw a bag over their head, threw them in some truck, and did all kinds of weird experiments on them.

And then their memory was white. Think about like men in black. You got this little thing that wipes your memory out. And then they've got real physical abuse. They're real physical abuse victims. But then they remember it in a way that, that, you know, prevents people from knowing the truth, the truth about what happened to them.

I know that's kind of a long run on sentence. But I don't know. The M.K. Ultra stuff is. is super fascinating, especially when you get into like the celebrities, like people saying like the Jim Carrey coming out, not looking the same. Yeah, not only is he not looking the same, but his demeanor is completely different.

It's like somebody really did, it might not be him, but even if it is him, he's like he's been stripped lobotomized, like Ariana Grande, where she was doing that tour for the, you know, promotion of that movie Wicked she was in. And she is not. there anymore. It's like that I think that that's what they've done to a lot of these kind of these celebrities where when they try to go off the reservation, it's like, no, you're,

we're going to get your mind right. You know, think about like, that's what they show you. Zoolander, right? Derek Zoolander goes to some kind of what it was, some day spa. And then he's, he's missed the whole month. And now he's some Manchurian candidate going to kill the, the prime minister of Malaysia or something. Yeah, the video. of Jim Carrey were wild. Now, that was like real footage of him at some award show, right? Yeah, he was at, he was, I think it was Paris. I don't know if it was Paris, but it was somewhere in, he was speaking French in the, when he was accepting the award. But I mean, his face clearly was completely different than, you know, before, because we've all kind of gotten used to the older Jim Carrey now, you know. And especially the eyes, like he could have massive face work done or, you know, or, you've all kind of gotten.

this is like somebody else. The cheeks looked way more bulbous, kind of like he had real pronounced cheek and it looked like his chin was was more narrow looking than it used to be. It's crazy. So back to the Montauk project, I mean, it's insane to think about how there might have been this government secret project

going on in the 70s and 80s, right? With mind control, psychic experimentation, wasn't there even something about a giant radar tower there yes there was i mean that again it's funny because it makes me think of like professor x you think in the if you're familiar with the x-men mythology he had this thing called cerebro where he would plug himself into that and he could psychically tap into

you know all the people around the world or you could find them and he could affect people and so yeah if you think about there's projects called like i think i think it's called project looking glass and things like that and then you have like the telepathy tapes that there is a veil that most of us are behind like that it's in front of all of us to this greater spiritual realm that's that's that's all around us so you could call it like a different dimension but there's a way to tap into it and i think that the idea of mk ultra makes sense that for one they're trying to do it through potentially psychedelic drugs You know, then there's other ways you can do it.

I think they do it through trauma. But even like if you think about a movie, I want to say like in a movie Deadpool, they showed that like his mutation is gets acerbated by the trauma that they're inflicting on him. It's like they're trying to get these, these powers to come out. But I mean, like it sounds like it's,

it sounds insane to say that. But I think that that's actually what they were doing. So what they were saying about the Montauk project is they were trying to get these kids to Ashtral project to all kinds of places. like, I mean, including like Mars and the moon. And just, it makes no sense, honestly, if you think about just based on what you would think the three-letter organizations are doing.

Like, why would they want to do that? Well, it does make sense if you think that they're potentially going to try to use this idea to spy on our enemies. And you don't think of these people being that superstitious, but truth be told, you go look into what they were, you know, like people like Heinrich Himmler were researching. I want to say that he had. 13,000 occult books, at least they found at one of the places they rated, 13,000. And then so you think about, again, that Werner von Braun was connected to, you know,

these concentration camps and all the things that they were doing. And I think that there's a, there's a fine line between, quote, unquote, the science and the occult. And again, it's like, it's like the, they want you to kind of believe that a lot of the stuff is explained scientifically, but I think the truth is there's gray areas of like where the science and what we might consider magic kind of meet. Even if you think about that first Thor movie, he's got his girlfriend who's Natalie Portman

and he's saying, your ancestors called it science, or the ancestors called it magic, you call it science. Where I come from, they're one and the same. And so there's that, there's a way that they're trying to pierce this veil. And I think they do it, yeah, through drugs. through rituals. And I think that they are trying to do it

potentially through some kind of science like CERN, things like that. I think that I think they all fit together. And yeah, in the story of the Montauk project, eventually there was something that was called the Montauk Monster that they found. Like this is like something that really happened. Like some kind of weird creature-looking thing washed up.

Now, I want to say that they said it was a, might have been a raccoon that was rotting or something. But I don't think that looks like that. But I mean, I think that that whole story is that's where you get like the idea of the Demigorgon and all that stuff. I mean, it's like it's crazy to think that that's based on a real story. But again, they wanted to originally name the thing Montauk. They said, and that might be a little too close. A little too close to reality.

Yeah, the pictures of the Montauk monster are freakish. In closing, I wanted to ask you, you had a recent video talking about 9-11. 11, one of the conspiracies concerning it that you were taken back by. Do you remember what that was? Oh, I think I knew you were talking about. So that was one of my big rabbit holes, like, when I first woke up because I was thinking, like, if 2020, I don't really believe what happened then, what about? I went to my buddy.

I went to my friend. I actually went to my brother and I said, what about 9-11? He was like, oh, yeah. So I looked into that. And the one of my favorite parts about, like, kind of just, I got to the, I got to the way of my mind works i like um i like the predictive programming stuff because i like what i've been a big movie person for my whole life so i it's very fascinating when you can find any kind of predictive programming of like oh gosh they were saying this before this certain event happened

and is this like the carmic retribution that they're trying to um duper's delight revelation of the method but i remember watching like a like some kind of a documentary about all the predictive programming that led up to 9-11 and i was blown away. It was like two hours long. And I, and I, and at some point I thought, okay, I've heard everything. Well, it was recently I saw, I was on X and I saw somebody talking about this that, so there was this band called I Am the World Trade Center.

It's a very odd name for a band. And they came out with an album in July 2001. I think it was called Out of the Loop, I believe. And if you go down to the 11th track, it's called September. And I was like, no way. So of course, September 11th, we all know what happens.

But like they had a song called September and it was track number 11. And what was really weird to me was that we were talking about this on my podcast that if you looked at the album cover, you know, the album art, it had some interesting images on it.

And on the front cover, it had a weird kind of like, I don't know, it was kind of an arched looking, kind of most futuristic looking building on the front. And I was like, that kind of resembles the Oculus, which now resides on the former site of the World Trade Center.

And that might be a little bit reachy, but it made me think that. But if you flip over on the back cover, they have like the top of one building. It's like one building, and it's a square kind of silver-looking skyscraper with some kind of a weird spire on the top. And I was like, I've seen that before. That looks exactly like the one world. Trade Center. So, you know, obviously the two buildings come down. They build those, what I think

are like abysses, like pits to hell, basically, where they supposedly is a memorial to 9-11 victims. But they built another building. They built one, and it's the biggest building in all of America. And it's the One World Trade Center. And it looks like they, it looks almost identical to the top of it on the back cover. And you're thinking, this album came out two months before the events of 9-11. happened. And these buildings that kind of resemble each other were not built until like, I don't know, I think the One World Trade Center wasn't even completed until 2008, I think. Wow. And I'm like, yeah, like I said, every time I think that I've seen it all, it's like that there's always one or two more things. But I mean, it's, again, that seems like a

day we're trying to tell us about this is, this is going to happen a long, for a lot, for a long time for a long time it's been in everything movies yeah music tv shows i mean all the way back to the dates i mean even september 11th i learned a long time ago that that's actually considered like the new uh the new year in to the ancient egyptians they were renovating like the the elevator shafts for for like a year before things happened and it wasn't the company who originally put the elevator shafts in. So yeah, there's there's so much there where, yeah, like to the normies. And again, that's funny. We started off talking about how some of the symbolism, like the witchcraft stuff that we've, I've been talking about for years, gets featured on a Candace Owens or a Tucker Carlson. And they also

start talking about this. I mean, I think some people have wondered like, this is this definitely controlled opposition because now they're trying to run with this narrative. But I mean, some of these things that were so verboten, I remember when I first started talking about conspiracies, like my again, like my dad got the brunt of all my research at the very beginning I was done of everything. And he hated

when I ever talked about anything like that. He hated me talking about the moon landing and he hated me talking about 9-11. But now most people are just like, yeah, that makes sense because it was definitely not that long ago when I first made a first video about that, I

thought that everybody was going to our hate. Like everybody, everybody that I knew, like, locally was going to say, you know, like you would be ostracized for talking about it. But now it's just kind of like, well, man, this has been a great conversation. We went down so many rabbit trails. And thanks so much for your time. Everybody follow JT on Instagram on YouTube. His handle is JT follows J.C. Is there any other way people can connect with you, J.T, or follow you? Yeah, of course. You know, if you like to listen to podcast, you can just look up JT's mixtape on Apple Spotify or wherever you can listen to podcasts.

And I'm trying to do more on X because I think a lot of the conversations happening over there. So if you, yeah, if you're on X, check me out at JTFiles, JCP. But I'm also on you. I'm also on Facebook. You can look up Joe Telford. For some reason, my real name got leaked and I just went with it. But it's fine. They all know about me now anyways.

But yeah, regardless, yeah, you can look up. If you find me on any platform, you can pretty much find me everywhere. I got a link tree. But yeah, this was a, I appreciate you having me on. This is always a lot of fun talking to you, Derek. And remind me, how often do you do a weekly podcast? Is there an episode every week? I do something called JT's mixtape where we talk about.

It's kind of a little bit of a variety show where we feature some certain videos and we have conversation. It's not just a reaction show. We talk in depth about certain topics that are relevant. We do that every Monday at 8. and then I have another podcast that I feature on on usually Thursdays where either I have a guest on or have my buddy Josh and called the Ancient Roots of Life podcast and we we discuss kind of more biblical topics but you know still it all relates to everything because wherever my mind goes

is where the topics go yeah yeah well thanks again for your time and everybody follow JT get on the mixtape bandwagon and we'll do this again in the near future. Absolutely. Any time, any time Derek.