Megalithic Marvels - Secrets of the Inca & the Elongated Skull Zombie Mummies / Rumi Llakta

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

In this exclusive interview I am joined by researcher, explorer and Peruvian tour guide Rumi Lkakta who shares his knowledge regarding the oral traditions of the Inca empire and the legends of the mysterious pre-Inca builders. Why did the Inca worship elongated skull mummies? Who were these hybrid-like humanoids? Who built the megaliths? We talk about this and much more Follow Rumi on Facebook here https://www.facebook.com/rumi.alegriaportugal Follow Rumi on Instagram here https://www.instagram.com/perumegalitico/ FOR A LIMITED TIME GET $500 OFF THE 2024 PERU/BOLIVIA TOUR BY USING CODE PERU2024: https://stargatevoyager.com/tours/ GET ALL YOUR TRAVEL/ VIDEO GEAR DEALS HERE: https://www.amazon.com/shop/ancientexpedition?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_aipsfshop_aipsfancientexpedition_R9VTHGSFQSJFWY6GSQAF FOLLOW US HERE: Blog: https://stargatevoyager.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stargatevoyager/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@stargatevoyager X/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/derek__olson Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/00Vv5lwiIMA04Q67TG6BJh?si=5f720d26ff7e47fc Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ancientexpedition/

Stargate Voyager. I think we're looking again at a lost technology. And it was this ancient apocalypse 12,800 years ago that wiped that from the human memory backs. Why were these ancient elongated, skull peoples, or humanoids of Malta living underground? Now I believe we're talking prior to 9,700 BC for the original construction of the sphinx.

And they were what some people, have called giants probably no more than seven to eight feet tall. And those giants have been pulled out of American mouths. Whether it's the colossal statue heads that have been on earth, to all the strange artifacts you've been showing in the museums, to some of the strange features they seem to possess, the more I learn about the Omet culture, really the more fascinated I become. I want to invite you to join us on one of our upcoming tours this spring and summer. We've got Egypt coming. May 8th through the 19th. We're going to have a private visit inside the Great Pyramid. We're going to see the great sphinx of Giza up close.

We're going to go underground and see these massive boxes in the Serapium. We're going to see these colossal megalithic statues. And we are going to look for evidence of lost ancient technology all over Egypt. June 30th of July 6th, we're going to be in England. We're going to have a private visit in Stonehenge. We're going to go inside crop circles and fathom the phenomenon. We're going to go inside ancient megalithic burial chambers. We are going to consider the legends of ancient giants.

And it's going to be an England trip unlike no other. In August, we've got the Peru and Bolivia tour. Go to Machu Picchu. We're going to go to Sox-Simon and see these colossal 100-ton plus walls. We're going to see elongated skulls. We're going to dip into Bolivia and go to Puma-Punku and see these H-Blocks. and all of the strange humanoid statues. I hope you'll join us.

Go to Stargatevoyager.com to tours to register. Well, I am really excited to be joined by a newer friend of mine, Rumi Lacta. He is an explorer, researcher, and a Peruvian tour guide that specializes in tours to Machu Picchu. He was one of our tour guides on our last trip in October. Rumi, you were an incredible tour guide. I loved your passion. I loved your depth of

insight. And thank you for joining me today. It's a pleasure to be with you and also to see you again, especially after two. I finished today at touring Machu Picchu. Well, and you are ready for your questions. I am ready what you want to hear about all the things, all the Inca secrets, all the secrets in Kusko. Yeah, I'm really excited, man, because you're like the next generation of tour guides that are emerging in around the world, but like in Peru and the Kusko area in Machu Picchu.

And we can get into how Department of Tourism really controls a lot of knowledge and they control the tourism industry. And so you kind of really have to be careful what you say publicly and online yet it was so cool to go to Peru and meet a tour guide like you, licensed. You guys go through rigorous training, yet you are willing to admit and tell us off the record the true history of Peru. So can you give us a little bit of your story?

You grew up around Machu Picchu in the shadow of the mountain. Tell us about how you grew up and how you became a tour guide. Well, my family is from here. My father is from Kusko. Obviously, it's an Inka descendant, my father. Yes, and it's true. His last name is Auka, to means a warrior in the Quechua language. Yes, well, I grow here.

To grow here, it was a little bit different. I saw how the tourism were changing, especially I saw my father. He was very different than everybody because he was a builder, a ston-mason, especially stone-mation. He told me, I don't know what, I don't like the concrete. I liked only stones. He always was different than everybody. He did his own house with stones, shaping, carving, every day.

And every day we're trying to do like the Inca's buildings, his fountains. Even his house was like an Inca building. For me, when I was a child, was, wow, my father is crazy. What happened? But then I was feeling his feel, his really feeling, because this past generation by generation through our hearts. And then I understood my father, especially since I finished tourism, I finished tourism because I wanted to go to see Machu picture every day. I was always focused over there. My mother was an artisan.

She used to work in the handicraft. He used to make handicraft things. and I used to go close to Machu Picchu every day. Sometimes we used to go back at night and we used to see lights at night. And this is no because I want to change our history, but it's real what I saw, especially when I was a child. I saw lots of lights through Machu Picchu around, and I used to ask to my mother, why is that?

And for my mother, was a normal. It was a normal because we used to back to our home from the handicraft market to us close to Machupeachu, you used to about at 7 p.m. And then finally I was working on the Inka Trail for 10 years, working every day, hiking the mountains. And then after I finished that incredible experience because I meet people from the world, from the whole planet, with different things.

Even I learned my English as much possible because it's different language. And then to the... one Canadian company, they put me to be a tour guy alone Peru. I was a tour guy in NASCA. I was a tour guy in the more exotical and incredible places in Peru, like the megalitic areas. I flew NASCAR three times.

I did Tijuana. I did the Lake Tidikaka. I lived in Megaliti zones, the more strange places in Peru. And since one time, I met one friend. He talked me to these wakas, especially to these giant buildings. And he told me stories that in the beginning was very strange

for me. Why? And they took me to incredible buildings inside the caves, inside of places, and I was starting to open my eyes. And also, I was trying to understand what is this. Since that time, I was

studying, reading books. I was investigating. I was going into the caves. And I was trying to learn. how to read the stones. And now I can say I know a little bit to read the rocks.

But this is a take a lot of experience because we don't have much information of this history, especially because all our history was delayed by the Spanish and by the Catholic Church, especially

in these times. Still is a little bit dangerous to talk about some histories than in Peru, especially when we share photos or when we share videos, always the Ministry of the Culture is watching us. And it's true what I said. That's the reason I do as much possible caring where I go, where I put, or carrying even my work, especially my work. So they can cancel my license and that's it. Something else that I think is made you what you are today is the fact that your dad was a stone mason right so that's that's so key to

your story because you know when we're talking about these megalithic stones and blocks you've got that perspective of your father showing you how hard it is to craft stone with what tools and what materials so you had that but then let me ask you again you said you grew up looking up over Machu Picchu and you guys would see the lights. And did you say to your mom it was normal? For my mama, it was normal because she grew over there also. And so you guys, you guys would look up and you'd see these lights and were they like orbs flashing across the sky?

Did you see them descend? Tell me a little bit more about that. When I was a child, especially eight years, especially eight years old, well, I used to come back helping my mother, especially to help his handicraft. we used to back at 7 p.m. and two nights I saw incredible lights crossing Machu Picchu and I used to ask my mother what does what is that what happened over there and my mother is to tell me we used to see my mother told me I used to see since I was a little lady a baby but now I think

Machu Picchu has that energy to get these lights. I finish for the energy. Now I know because I climb in time. Even I was at night in Machu Picchu three times. You brought up energy. Tell our audience your favorite pieces of information about the energy of Machu Picchu in these sites and how that relates to the Intiwantanas. Well, now I know why the Inca's they did in Tiwatana in Machu Picchu is a secret, this thing, but I will share with you.

The Incas, they used to care of one special mummies, especially the elongated mummies. They used to put in the gates and the portals. These elongated mummies, they were living with the Incas per thousands of years, and they were the teachers. They were the professors of the Incas. The Incas, they did Machu Picchu through two natural geological faults. Why? The people they asked why they did about the natural pulse? Because they knew very well to this is a connection between the two energies.

The sun and the planet. Female? A male. And they called to this meeting. To this meeting they call Yananding, Masinting. It is in the Quechua language. That's the reason they did the Intiwatanas, because the Intiwatanas are forget the energy of the sun

and provide to the planet that energy for keep green the area. That is the reason they did in Tewatanas. No, it's only a sun watcher or only because to pray the sun, or only to prey the energy, no. It's an special area where the Sam passed the energy, and this top of the mountain, he gets that energy, and he passed through the natural magnetic force to the earth. And that's the reason when the Spanish, they come to Kusko.

I hear one history, one lane of the people from here, they say between professors and between teachers, in Machu Picchu because in Machu Picchu used to live only Inca's professors and Inca's priests and queens or ladies priests they used to live together and they talk together asking if they will left to pass to the Spanish to Machu Picchu or not and they say no they put an artifact and make with the stones to always get rain to always have brain in this area that That's the reason the Spanish they were looking for the golden city, El Dorado, and they never found it. Because they were looking only the gold, but they don't were looking for the city of the sun.

That is Machu Picchu. Yes, Derek. Fascinating. Okay, so you set a bunch there that is probably blowing the minds of my listeners and my mind. So, okay, we've got Machu Picchu, the Lost City, the Golden City. it's like a citadel on the mountain. It's just mind-blowing, right? A lot of people don't realize that, you know, 90% of what you see at Machu Picchu is what we would call the Inca construction.

It's the small stones with mortar. But as you look close, it's all built on top of what looks like a much older megalithic foundation that could be 10,000 BC, as crazy as that sounds. So you've got that, but then you've got the Inca. And when we say Inca, that really means the ruling class. It wasn't the whole civilization. So I want to go back to, you said the Inca, the ruling class were up on Machu Picchu. They're likely built on top of the older foundations. But they are, their teachers, their professors were these elongated skull humanoid.

And these are the mummies we find in the skeletons in Parachis and Waiky, the humanoid we saw at the museum. Massive elongated skulls, huge eye sockets. There is no way these are just genetically humans. Tell us more about who this race was and what it was like. Are you saying some of them were actually alive during the time of the Inca? Yes. some of them, they were still living between the Incas. We must understand to these professors and to these teachers, they were living with the Incas.

They were the priest class. They were the professors. The Incas, they were a political time. It was the political time of the Incas. But these professors, they were living through different civilizations. They were living through Wadi. They were living through Tijuana. They were living through Paracas.

They were the same, developing his mind, developing his technology, especially to work with the energy. I found lots of artifacts, moon artifacts, sun artifacts, mathematical artifacts, everything made on stones. All of them, they work with the shadows of the sun, with the shadows of the moon, with the shadows of the stars, all of them. And it's difficult to believe to all was made by the indigenous. It's very difficult. So the more a safe thing to the people, even to the other tour guys and other two other people who are living through Peru, they believe now they were made by the professors,

by the elongated head people. They did all of them. You're saying you believe the elongated, scold humanoid actually built, are you saying built the megalithic constructions? Yes. Yes. Of course, yes, because they do elongated head people. They got that technology to make about the natural geological fields, knowing to the energy of the planet is coming from there to be a connection with the sun. They did a kind of map, and it was in Kusko called Seke's, no, and it was working with the stars, and also with the magnetic, no, is the natural. formation of the planet, no, the connection of the planet, and they did his

wakas on the top of this. They don't did his wakas, his altars everywhere or in the top of the mountain. No, they did always in the top of the natural formation of natural geological falls. Right. And when you say these wakas, these are these, wakas are different than the Intuantanas, correct? The wakas are like these, what looks like a megalithic altar that you just find all over the Kusko Highlands, correct?

Yes. Probably the most tinto, I understood this from the one, it was in the whole America, it was one ancient civilization to use to control all. This super civilization, I don't know where is the capital.

Some people, they say it was in Tijuana, did all of these temples. Following the geological map, the geological falls, the planet, they did to his pyramids everywhere. And the chakana, the chakana, that symbol, it was, it is, this is the secret, this is the key. I know now to this chakana is the key.

It's a map. That map. of Chakana, Tokyo to Machu Picchu. I had a revelation, if that's an appropriate word of on this last trip of the Chakana and the

Intiwantanas and the Hawakas that you're mentioning. And if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify, you're going to see video and photos of what we're talking about. So you have a visual. But Rumi, I loved you being our tour

guide because you were pointing out all these huacas and all these hidden symbolism that your average tourist would totally miss if they were just with some normal tour so thank you so much um i want to go back to again the elongated skull skulled what i call humanoids because this is big stuff we're talking about here you're saying that you believe the elongated skulled humanoids that we now still see mummies of in Paracas and at the what's that museum called where Waikis located it's it's a underwailia's museum okay so you're saying this ruling class you believe built the megalithic structures with lost ancient technology um i want to ask you about the elongated

skull at that museum um it's known as the Waiky alien or the Waiky humanoid because you told me something that blew my mind because I had seen it before my last trip to Peru, this massive elongated, sculled mummy, but it's got this, you can see not just a hole in its head, but what looks like it was cut out. And you were sharing the legends of why there's a hole in its head. It's because it had a golden device that enabled it to communicate with the gods. Tell us more about that. It will revelate something. When the Spanish they went to these Wackas,

I was reading through books of the Sarmiento de Gamboa, ancient Spanish chronics, to the Incas, they used to go to the Wackas to talk with his guts. One of these days, one of this Spanish went to see what happened. Why this, they go to the caves or they go to the Waccas. and when he went over there, he heard one of the Incas talking with the Wakas, talking with the mommies.

And I heard the history today used to put in the in-logated heads. They used to make syrujis to the head to incrustated gold, especially in the top of the son babies. Because they were

oracles, they were able to connect with the gods. or with the with the aliens probably and they're able to talk with the sky right so the even during the Inca time at all of these ancient sites

or Hawakas one of my favorite sites is not Nwapa and Glacia right it's the what I call the megalithic cave of mystery and at that cave where there's this megalithic like portal

carved into the side of the mountain. You were revealing to us how, even in the Inca time in the 1400s, in the back of that cave, they would pull out this elongated skull mummy in Omni solstice. I think it's June 21st, correct? They would place the mummy

in the portal or Stargate cutout and it would basically, they would use it as an oracle to communicate with the gods. It would speak even though it was a dead mummy, correct? Yes, I discovered something very interesting, reading the books. Why in 21 of June the spirit of these people used to come? Because Orion Bell Constellation becomes as a feline to give the energy to the lives. And it's possible to see only during 21 of June during the day this Orion Bell constellation.

And how will we know that? Thank you to one mestizo, one Inca chronics from the 16th century. He drew something very interesting. To later in the future, probably will share you the image. To his giving the life or the spirit to the mommies, to the elongated mommies. to make them alive, especially during this day. And that's the reason the Inca's they used to go through these windows

to talk with them. And they say what I read, no, it's not my invention. People believe sometimes people, because I share photos and videos also in Facebook. And some people, they say, no, this is not a dimensional gate. But when you look in the Inca beliefs, you will find it's true. Those Incas, they were able to talk with the mommies, especially in 21 of June and 21 of December. 21 of June is because the portals, the spiritual gates,

are open to Orion Bell, that is representing by the felons, by the filings, by the pumas or by the yawars, or could be lions. and 21 of December is the feather snake, is the summer solstice. In these two dates, in these two especially days, the portals to the constellations open. Fascinating. I think one of my favorite parts of our tour was when we were at Napa Iglesia and the majority of the group had left and went back down the mountain. And again, if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify, you're going to see which side I'm talking about. But this is a megalithic cave located high in the Andes Mountains.

You have to do quite a hike up to this cave in the mountains. And inside is what looks like a megalithic portal. The crazy part is, when most of the group had left, there was still a minister of tourism up there, you know, a watchdog watching us. I better be careful what I'm saying. but basically he let us go up into the back of that cave. And I'm going to do a feature video on this, which will feature Roomy. But we got to go into the back of this cave.

And I was overwhelmed with just the history that was, I guess, standing on my shoulders. As we were in the back of the cave where the Inca were hiding these mummies. And you also pointed out that there was hidden. megalithic walls underneath and everything so I can't wait to get that video out I was blown away when we went to the moon temple I think it was the templo di da Luna and you took us into the it was like the secret chamber where there was an altar inside and the light was shining through the top tell us more about that after two I finished the tour with you I go back with a one

elder man, a maestro, Peruvian Maestro. I went inside with another jungle Maestro, Peruvian Maestro. We went to explore, to sea. And in the first time, I knew very well to this Temple of the Moon works with the Moon, of course. But later this Maestro, he teach me what is this? He told me there is a stone in the front of this, looks like an eye, the Temple of the Moon. You know very well. well, no.

And he told me, this is a kind of artifact. When you stop in the other stone, if you know how to say some words or some mantras, your spirit can go inside of this, and this can go wherever you want. And you remember the cuts in the top of one big stone? You remember, Derek? This is a brain.

This is a big brain. And in my second time I went there, I was watching, there is a stone like a one hand, watching the big brain. That stone looks out big brain with lots. And in this part is the coat of the rock. And over there, I was watching half an hour. And I understood the words. There is something like a right thing, like a QR in all of this,

like a and I asked to the to the professor a teacher my friend and Cucho is his name who did that today incas did that and he said obviously

no those artifacts they were already here he told me there are thousands thousands of years he told me there's there's

legends and oral traditions that when the Spanish arrived and conquered Kusko and they asked the Inca who built this even the Inca said we didn't build it it was already here correct Yes because some of the Wakers

They were already there Of course Only the royal class They used to say no I did My ancestors did it But even in the Inca's lay and say To the first Incas They don't wear like

A normal people They were with different powers one of these Inca's used to fly the other one used to move mountains his legends are like that and I believe to the Inca descendants especially to the

that elongated heads they were the real and original ancestors even before the Spanish they come to Peru they were in a civil war for which reason for the mummies one more time for the mummies

so you're saying the civil war between the Inca, right as the Spanish are coming to conquer, that civil war was over who would get possession of these elongated, sculled mummies? Yes, it was because they were two brothers.

They were mummies everywhere of the last of the years because they used, they were found in, they were founded on the ground and they were putting on all the altars in all the temples the mummy. But the Atawalpa, the Inca from Ecuador,

He said we want to give the tradition because we come from these mummies. We are this. And Waskar, the other brother from the south, he was trying to change all that religion. He was trying to take out the mommies to put all the mommies on the ground. That's the reason they were in a civil war because they... So do you believe... Tell us real quick your theories on how... you believe the ancient elongated schooled builder class built a lot of this was it with

um levitation technology what kind of technology do you think enabled them to build these walls that feature 100 plus ton mortarless walls blocks well there is one is there is lots of buildings even under kusko there is lots of caves and you saw when we went inside the term of the Monge saw blowing from the ground. The lions say there is a snake people's cities inside of around Kusko and along the Andes. We call to these places Chinanas, to these caves. Well, there is a legend to one of the Firs Incas.

In the Inca's legends are the secrets. The Firs Inca, he got one instrument called to Pagiauri. his god he promised to him to remain a new city looking for a new opportunity to re-found a city

and he used that Tupag Yaori it was a big stick golden made with gold very special and he drove to the center of Kusko according to the lion and all the mountains were moving

and I was reading a new book the Inca Foundation and I probably am not sure completely that stick was powerful. Used to have a power to cut the rocks

to move the stones because we went to the caves together and when you saw the cut of the rocks it looks like what's made by machinery don't looks was made by hands I was working with my father as a stone mason

We know very well how it's to work with the storms. And you'd never give this shadow of the stones only with hands. You can give, but you always use holes, little holes in the rocks. But like a vitrification or like the glass, or like the glass, never. It's difficult. It's impossible with indigenous technology. It's impossible, no. the ancient aliens, I don't know, I don't know how to call.

They come one day and they left some professors and some teachers. They left here trying to help the indigenous. And they were trying to mix with the indigenous people. In his way, they deformate also the indigenous people. The indigenous people, when they saw the original, they were changing his heads. I was reading one interesting book about one interesting science

that is called phrenology. That phrenology science changed the head of the people. For example, during that time, those professors, they used to change the people if they wanted to be a militarist, they used to change, like, they used to make grow the backside. And if they want people or thinkers, they used to make grow the heads like this. Horizontal, no vertical, horizontal way.

That's the reason there are two kinds of human deformation. But the original, why the originals, they did that to the humans. this is so intrigued that changed also my mind. I say, why, there are two different elongated heads. There is one with beak and the other one is

like the ends. Can you imagine? Yeah. To change what a dude. Even if they are even if they are artificial made by people, even if they are

modified by people, someone did. Right. Someone changed. the head of the indigenous right yeah there's there's it's multi-layered you've got the indigenous culture who was practicing cradle headboarding but why were they doing it they were emulating the original older class that had the naturally elongated skulls that have so many genetic anomalies there's no way it's it was just do a head binding right you've got skulls with some of them have what almost

50% more cranial mass than ours? Even they are heavier. Even they are heavier. They are not like our brains. Even if you look for the investigation of Brian Foster or other

investigators like are in Peru, you will find in the bones, especially in the backside, they have different bones. They are not similar than everybody. They have a kind of

triangle in the back side of the head. Yes, there is a one Mr. called Cabrera. It's the Mr. Cabrera Fronica. He found an ancient rocks also close to this elongated heads. People with dinosaurs, people with making surgeries, people passing blood to other people. This is crazy. And I don't believe to this person did himself to cheat the people. He found 40,000 stones. And the Peru government, they say always, no, it is not real. Always, when they found a new moment and it's different, they say, no, you are stealing or you are from there. This is the history of Peru.

How can people follow you and stay up to date with everything you're doing? I have one Instagram. My Instagram is called Peru. megalitic. If you want to see the photos and some proofs, you can follow that. You've got a great Facebook account. Is that just a personal account or is that a page? Well, in Facebook, I have lots of followers. I am joining the new generation of people, the new believers. So, well, my Facebook is Rumi Aligria Suniga. Rumi Aligria Suna. Over there, I put an incredible photographist.

Normally, every week I go to New Archaeological site because it's my hobby. I just trying to understand what they say. And now that it, I know how to rig the stones because this is a system of writing. Yeah. Since you bring that up, I want to ask you about that too. So yes, follow Rumi on Instagram at Peru, Megalitico, and then he's on Facebook. And I would say Rumi is one of the, if you want to see the anomalies of Peru, Rumi is the number one source. Follow him.

He's putting out, I mean, great photos every day, great videos every day. It's nonstop because he's at these sites every day. So, Rumi, I want to ask you real quick, one thing that you really helped me to see on this last trip was the hidden symbolism in everything. You know, the Inca and the ancients before them, you know, it was all about the three worlds. You got the Puma and the condor and the serpent, right? And you see these symbols hidden everywhere at every site in all the walls. tell our listeners real quick at Ollante Tombo, one of the greatest sites in Peru. At the very top, you've got the massive wall called the Gate of the Sun.

And you were pointing out, tell us what that was like 10,000 years ago, what that wall was like and what faces were on it and what it did when the moonlight hit it. Yes, I know what you want to know. Well, the Sacred Ballet Festival, it was the reflection of the Milky Way. All the cities, two are like Orianteitambo, Pisa, Chinchero, they are the reflection of the stars. A macho picture is the finish of the Milky Way, is the Orion Bell Gate. well who did this

why a oianti tambor for example that megalith area was made it probably 10,000 probably even

even more thousands years old they were as less three civilizations because the chakana is like three steps

and this is not only a symbol, it is also a time. It means change. Means the first generations of humus, this is an ancient book I was reading from one Mr. called Jesus Gamara, say to the first civilization when the planet was with not many people, the first humanity was made on the Sacred Valley.

That history say that. This is not my history. You look for the book is called Paraguayso, and the writer is called Jesus Gamar. That's big kind of codes. This is called an Ampacha civilization. That means the first ones. The second, I say about 15,000 years old, is the big walls building made by a kind of humanity like giants. And everything here is a cyclic. It's not lying. For us, it's never is lying. Our history is not lining. Everything is cyclet.

Every 500,000 years or every 10,000 years, something happening in the planet, destruction, reset, and one more time, new generation. And the last one is our generation, smaller, but still, the second generation, they did Oyanteitambo. With the Spanish they went to Ollanteitambo, it used to shine. The whole world, you shine as a mirror. It was as a mirror. And when you used to go in the front of this temple,

you used to see yourself. It was something incredible. It was for the reflection of the sun, and it was for the reflection of the moon. This secret told me one. one friend from Yantaitambo, he's a natural from there. He told me one day he went up night when it was the pandemic, and he saw his reflection in that temple.

And he told me that history. And then when the Spanish priests, he saw that, it was something, it's of par on the time. They say, it's not made by that Indians. They say it was made for someone else. and they order to destroy to cut all the proofs to give in a normal history

to give well was made by humans destroy the mirror destroy all the symbols that is the Puma there especially the felines I'm not sure if there is the Puma no

there are three felines big filines and there is the Chakana over there three chakanas. Yeah, at all these sites, you see these Intuantanas or the chakana symbols or like you pointed out at the gate of the sun at the top of Ooyante Tambo

are these protrusions that come out and you're saying in prehistory these were actually feline type puma faces. It's just mind-blowing to consider. So we've got You brought up Jesus Garama's books where he talks about the legend of the Hanan Pacha or the three worlds. And so tell me if I'm right in this room. You've got number one, the Hanan Pacha or the first culture.

And this is the oldest civilization, according to this theory, who shaped the bedrock. Because like when you're walking around Kusko, all these rock outcroppings are like, laser cut just protruding out of the rocks like somebody had a laser in they were just practicing so the hanan pacha according to this theory could shape the bedrock and then they built the biggest walls like at soxaywaman right and then you've got the uran pacha or they're also known as the saparumi the second culture and you're saying they engineered some of the smaller sized precision megalis maybe like at Machu Picchu, the foundations. Then we've got the last culture, the Ukunpacho.

Ukumpachi is the last one. Yeah. And this was the Wari or the Inca? They were the Waries. The Wari. Yeah. And the Warries came along and literally just built on top of these first two cultures. And that's why it gets so confusing when you go to these sites.

You see all these different. techniques and the mainstream just points and gives the last civilization the credit for everything it's crazy and if you go against that let's end with this you were telling me how you've got to be careful as a licensed tour tour guide you got to be careful what you say and post

online because you told me one time you posted a photo and suddenly you were contacted did right? Yes, sometimes they called you. They'll call you up and say, hey, why are you posting that? When I was in the bus, I was guiding you. Yes, someone called me from the archaeological side. Or don't put that photo, he told me. Yes.

That's crazy. The morning. Well, Rumi, thank you so much for your time. And thank you for being such an incredible guide in Peru. if you take if you go to uh peru to the kusko or machi puichu area or sacred valley make sure you contact rumi as your guide because he's one of the best uh you also uh take brian forster around at times so again follow him on instagram on facebook you're also on ticot and um rumies or anything else you want to say as we say goodbye well so

So it's being a pleasure to connect with you. Derek, you are also an incredible person. So I'm sure you will find what you are looking for. You are looking for the answer. I'm sure. The whole planet has the answers. I am finding my answers. I am sure I am very close, very, very close.

I am 80% to get the answer. Hey, I really enjoyed riding the train back from Machu, Pichu with you. And we were by this cart, this extra train car where you could get out of your seat and go open the windows and just look at the mountains. And even as we were looking at the mountains, you were pointing out all these megalific sites hidden in the mountains that again, most tour groups never visit. It was amazing. And so I want to close by saying, join Rumi and I this August on our next Peru tour. It's going to be incredible. Rumi's going to be there and he's going to be revealing more ancient secrets and knowledge. So we hope to see you there. You can click the show notes in this

podcast to get all the information or go to Stargatevoyager.com slash tours for all the info. Rumi, thanks so much, my friend. Thank you so much. It's nice to see you. Blesses. Blesses. See you soon.