Megalithic Marvels - Smoking Guns of Lost Ancient Technology / Jahannah James

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

In this episode I sit down with actress, comedian, “ancient history geek,” researcher and explorer Jahannah James to talk all things ancient history and lost technology! I start out by asking Jahannah to share a bit about her journey that led her down the alternative history rabbit hole. Next she shares her thoughts on the mainstream history timeline vs the one that keeps getting older - the alternative timeline of ancient history. After this, we spend the bulk of the interview talking about some of the top smoking gun evidence for lost ancient technology around the world. Being that Jahannah was instrumental in helping to break the world-wide news regarding the Khafre SARS Pyramid scans, I ask her to share her latest thoughts concerning this controversial subject. We end the discussion sharing our fascination about the most mysterious island on the planet - Rapa Nui. FOLLOW JAHANNAH BELOW:TikTokYoutubeInstagramPodcastJOIN ME ON A TOUR!

Well, I am super excited to be joined by somebody that I've been following for several years now, loving her content, her videos, her research, her explorations, the humor she brings. I'm talking about actress, comedian, ancient history geek. Jahanna James. Jahanna, how are you? Thank you. That was a really good intro. We've been mutually following each other for a couple of years.

So this is like the perfect time that we're like, right, let's catch each other and have a chat because we're both into. pretty much the same stuff. Everybody her YouTube channel all her her platform handle is basically funny old world so follow Johanna on youtube TikTok Instagram she's everywhere and again I love the humor you bring with the mind bending alternative theories you bring to the ancient world and I was actually checking out you have some merch on your YouTube channel and I think I'm gonna have to order this for myself you have a total spoof it's called the copper chisels band yeah well when i was thinking of doing merch i was like because people were asking me oh do you have any merch and i was like i don't know if uh people want to buy like my face or something but i was like okay what if i did like

comedy merch um something that that i was like let's let's do like a fake band and if you're in you're if you know you know if you know what a copper chisel is if you get the joke behind copper chisels then then you know and if you don't then it doesn't matter it's like a cool band and a cool band t-shirt. So I designed like a band t-shirt for my band, the copper chisels. And if you like ancient history and if you like alternative theories, then you can be a member of the band. If you get a t-shirt, you're a member of the band. So yeah. So everybody, yeah, I'm going to have to order myself one. Everybody else order one at the copper chisels band. That's some of the best merch I've seen. But I was looking at your YouTube channel and it looks like you started kind of making videos

into the alternative history realm around 2021. So tell us a little bit about your journey going from actress, comedian, into this ancient history geek, self-proclaimed world. What was kind of the rabbit hole you went down? It was, yeah, 2020, it was the pandemic. I had time. So I'd been doing like sketch comedy online since like 2016. So I've done a good few years of doing kind of, kind of,

characters and skits and kind of like vine-like stuff. And then it all sort of stopped and slowed down in the pandemic and I had time. And then I got into Joe Rogan and I found Randall Carson, Graham Hancock, Jimmy, Bright Insight. And that's where I heard the Atlantis theory and I just hooked me and I could go down and I was just like researching, researching, researching. And then I found Ben from Uncharted X and he was doing a tour in Egypt in 2020 in the like, pandemic year and i was just like i think i got to go i got to go research this on the ground like it's one thing researching from which i love from your armchair at home your laptop but it's in a

whole other thing when you go there in person and get to experience it so um i yeah i spent like my last savings to go to egypt met then met jimmy um and it was incredible because i got to see egypt unlike any other time there was no tourists we were the only tour bus that was up for that week that was going around Egypt. So we were just walking around temples alone. Like it was insane. And then I decided when I came back, I didn't like have a plan, but I thought, oh, I've got so much footage.

I want to reach out to people who also like this stuff. Maybe I'll make a couple of vlogs. I had enough footage for like seven or eight vlogs. And then they just kind of took off. So, yeah, sort of accidentally. And then I shifted all of the people who were following me for comedy stuff. I was like, well, no, I'm just going to talk about ancient history. Sorry, everybody. And that's what I changed it to funny old world to kind of like marry the two,

the stuff that I do. Yeah, good marriage between the two, funny old world. Did you find that the majority of people that followed you for comedy, kind of how easy was it for them to go down with you, take their red pill? Or did you have a lot of backlash? No, I was fully expecting there to be an exodus of people leaving because I, I wasn't doing the same like sketch comedy anymore. I actually got more followers. Like people stayed and more people joined. So it was, I think that's where,

obviously, like, there's so many creators in the space, like doing what we do. And everybody brings like a different style or whatever. Mine is, I'm not coming from like an academic point of view. I'm coming from the average Joe. I don't know, I didn't know anything about anything when I started. So I feel like if I can grasp some stuff and understand stuff and have some, and if I can just relay the information to as many people as but like average people

and try and wave the flag and be like, did you know this about the pyramids or this? And, and try and get people interested. So that's, that's where, where I like to be and be like a bit lighthearted about it because I'm not, I'm not, I haven't got the, the schooling for it. But if I can get, if I can get my head around it, you can as well. That's my theory. Well, what an amazing, I mean, trip you went on with Jimmy and Ben, I mean, the trip of all trips to go down this, the rabbit hole and see, like you said, see and experience the precision vessels, the statues, the megalus. I mean, yeah, you must have come back from that trip just with your head about to explode. Yeah, and we had, we were really lucky.

We had Yusuf Aywan, who, he was like the, our kind of like in Egypt tour guide. And he is amazing and he really got a special access to certain sites. And he could show us, he showed us kind of like all different theories. And he's a stone mason, that's his trade. So not only does he know all about how to like deal with the stone in Egypt, but he knows a lot of the history. And he was just pointing out like from a kind of engineering and stone mason point of view where all of the like mysteries and the holes and the problems and where there is some big,

big questions around a lot of the architecture and like, the stonework that's in Egypt. And so I got to see Egypt my first time through completely, like, technical engineering art. And we had a lot of engineers on our tour and a lot of stone masons, a lot of people who were very technically knowledgeable. And it was so fun to watch them have their minds just blown in person. Because I wasn't really sure what I was looking at.

Now I got my head around, like, different types of stone and what markings, you know, can and can't be done with ancient tools. but that was my first, I don't know anything. So it was really cool to go with that group of people and learn from them. And yeah, and stay in contact with Ben and everyone. And I met George Howard, who then later went on to create the Cosmic Summit. So that all kind of came from that 2020 tour. So it was all meant to be.

It was a line. Yeah, my first Egypt tour was in early 2021. So it sounds kind of similar to what you experienced. There was nobody in Egypt. we had like this 16 day tour that was the cheapest I've ever heard of and literally there was nobody in Egypt. We had accessed almost everything. So there's always some people on my tours that like somehow they missed a memo of what kind of tour this was. And I had a couple guys on my last tour who were amazing guys but knew nothing about this alternative history that we research.

And so they were kind of going with the. flow and trying to be nice, but you could tell they thought we were all nuts. Because we're talking about ancient technology, law civilizations. But it's so rewarding, kind of like you're saying, being with people who get it. I remember when at the very end, we go to the Aswan quarry. And they see the scoot marks. They see this 1,200 tonne obelisk. And they were like ancient technology.

It's the only way to explain this. And it was just like, yes. Yeah. That's what's great about going on the tours because you get a real mix of people as well. You get some people who are super into sort of like technically alternative stuff, but none of the esoteric stuff.

Other people who are who don't really mind about the technical mysteries, but are really into like the esoteric mysteries. And it's a really, really cool place to just debate and have conversation. Because most of my friends from London where I am, They aren't even into history at all. So trying to have a conversation and explain not only that so much of history is a mystery. But yeah, so being able to reach out and connect with all these new people. And the same with the internet.

That's the good side of the internet. As much as the internet can be a bit of like, but the good side of it is we can reach other people and share information so much quicker. And even since what, 2020, 2021, even in just... four or five years, so much has changed in the landscape of discoveries. Right. Like the timeline of human history is constantly moving back because I think before I had a bit of a, yeah, a view of being like, well, you know, history's, well, it's just like set, right? It's history.

It's just that's happened and it was recorded and then we move on. I'm like, no, no, it's actually changing and we're rediscovering and then we're going, oh. And technology's helping us now, scanning, DNA, tracing can like kind of rule out theories and bring up whole new theories and what are this group of people doing genetically over there at this time it's it's it's a really really cool space to get into that's why i'm so passionate about bringing people into it i mean i should have a soapbox it's incredible the mass awakening this happened since 2020 regarding ancient history right so it's been

these are exciting days to live in and one of the things i love about your research and looking at your YouTube channel and past videos I've seen, you've had a couple really foundational videos that I think kind of really set the tone. And one of them, I think one of your more popular videos is alternative timeline of ancient history explained. And so that was kind of something I wanted to ask you right off, based kind of off that video is even for new people that might be tuning into this, tell us about the alternative timeline of ancient history versus the mainstream timeline.

your thoughts. Yeah. So the, those, that video that I did, I did that very, very early at the beginning. And my, my theory is constantly developing and changing. I think it's really important to be open to change because I've seen, I've seen a few people who have, like, they develop a personal theory, which is fantastic. But then they do not deviate or change or reassess that theory at all. And I think that that's where we get a little bit, people like, will,

die, start dying on hills that they want to die on. So my, my theory is changing. My Atlantis theory keeps changing as well. My picture of what Atlantis could and couldn't be. But I do, overall, I do agree that the timeline of human history, because it keeps being taken back. So if you ask anyone, how old are human beings? Like biologically identical to us, homo sapiens, how old do you think that is?

A lot of people, when I ask them, they go about, oh 30,000 years old maybe and I'm like no no no try add a zero on that it's 300,000 and people are like no seriously and that's conservative like there is some evidence saying like 350 but if you want to be conservative 300,000 years and in that we have written history like historical records from like what three four thousand bc so we have in the whole book of human history, we have like two pages recorded. So in that time, we don't kind of like for sure know what what humans were capable of doing or not doing. And which is, and when you start to get into the theory of cataclysms and cyclic disasters in the planet, and we start looking at

all the different science to show that there was some extreme like deluges, floods, atmospheric changes, ice ages and it puts humans in this huge like whirlwind washing machine of of cycles and so I think of like the human timeline rather than like a linear line but potentially cycles of prosperity and cycles of when it was really crap and and um we sort of had like new new ages and dark ages of information and in those uh times of like prosperity when when the world wasn't in the delusion being humans could prosper. Potentially, I think we don't give them enough credit for how intelligent and connected to the world they could be.

And for example, I'm just pulling out like Denzinovian jewelry. So they're not even like homo sapiens. They're another kind of human. And we look at them through that like caveman, like, you know, kind of like Flintstoney sort of comic way but actually they were so intelligent and they could do they could drill they had a drill that they put through jewelry to make this and make amazing jade bracelet i think it's 40 000 years old and it has it has drill tool marks in it and and that's just like the quality of art that you can do on a small scale why not um sort of pull that out and and make it um for architecture homes stonework

yeah, I think that we are missing some really big chapters in human history. And it's difficult because there's not a lot of evidence, like, you know, on the ground. There was like, there's objects throughout history, which we put in the, like, miscellaneous objects or the things that kind of shouldn't belong there, don't belong there. And there's lots of them. And it's, it's kind of anybody's guess as to why those objects. appear and who could make them. It's really difficult to date them. So in a very generalized way,

I think that there are periods of time in human history where we do not give ancient humans credit enough for, I think we were way more likely to have cycles of societies that rose and fell in the same way that we've observed for the last five, six thousand years in recorded history. I think that could have been happening. for 100,000 years before. You brought up the Denisivans.

Have you seen the side-by-side comparison of that giant Denisovan tooth with the tooth? It's crazy. I didn't know about that either until I started. You start picking up rocks of this ancient mysteries and then they just keep coming. But yeah, the idea that there was at one point, you know, around 30,000

40,000 years ago, there was multiple types of human and they were all getting together and making babies and that's insane. Like everyone knows like Neanderthal, Denisovin and there's a new one. I don't know if it's got a name yet, the dragon man in China. Right. A different type of human skull. So there's at least a bunch and they were all into breeding. And that's a fun topic to have, like a starter topic to bring up to anyone being like,

did they know the difference? And was that, was that part of the appeal? Or was it like they didn't, it was the difference so, um, unnoticeable? Because humans are super varied, right? You get all kinds of different shapes and sizes of humans. So were we able to understand what was not necessarily our species? Oh, yeah, crazy. I want to ask you about your top smoking guns of ancient technology, but before I do, still on the subject of ancient history timelines, give me your thoughts on, and we could, this could be a big rabbit hole, but the age of the pyramids, right?

We have the mainstream history timeline, which tells us these go back to, you know, 3,000 BC. is there a date that you're comfortable mentioning or a generalized? Yeah. So where I sway is I think personally that the Giza Plateau had a huge restoration project, rebuilding, recycling, kind of Renaissance building project around the Third and Fourth Dynasty, which is why so much of the site is attributed to the Third and Fourth Dynasty of the Egyptians. and that is why when you carbonate, what you can't carbonate stone,

but when you carbonate the organic matter around the Giza Plateau, and all of the pyramids actually, in the 90s, in the 80s and the 90s, there was two big carbon dating tests, like research papers. And it was done from a team who were trying to prove that the pyramids were like 12,000, 10,000 years old. And that's not what the carbon dating showed.

But what was really interesting is what the carbon dating around the Gizapato did not show. It did not show this like one after the other 20 years, this farther than to this father. All of the carbon dating to around the Gizapato and all of the other pyramids in Sakara, they all dated them to actually around 350 years earlier than the mainstream timeline. And they all kind of came out around the same date. So carbon dating-wise, it looked like that they were either all made as one kind of like massive project, 350 years before the historical timeline.

Or in my view, I tend to lean on one massive, like, regeneration project and that the early Egyptians were restoring sites that were a lot older. And I do think that some of the buildings on the Giza Plateau, the megalithic stuff, the stuff that's just insane. mainly huge and the temple work, I think that is older and then it was recycled by the very, very early Egyptians. As to how old that could be, I keep swaying around. One piece of evidence that does keep swaying me back to at least 7,000 BC is there is the Nubian egg that's in the Nubian Museum in Azzan. And it's this,

ostrich egg that they found in a Nubian grave that dates to about 7,000 BC. And I mean, that's when it was, that's when the grave was. It doesn't, the egg could be older. But on this egg, it does, it does seem to show quite accurately the Nile River in both when it's flooding and when it's not flooding. It's two sides to the egg. And it shows these three pyramid shapes in this kind of artistic interpretation of pyramid. And some people say, oh, that's the mountains.

And I was like, but Southern Egypt isn't like massively famous for its mountain range, not like the Atlas Mountains or Rocky Mountain or something. And also it's very clearly three triangle shapes, and they even have the steps lines going through them. I've never seen mountains depicted with these very clear lines. And it really does in my eyes, looks like someone has doodled what they've seen, which is the Nile River and where at the Egypt's upside down

so north is south south is north but at the top there it's where exactly where Giza would be in relation to the Nile and I really do think people people draw what they saw if you look at all cave art art paintings doodles you would if you saw a giraffe you'd doodle it

or you know if you saw a molly mammoth you draw it so I think I think that the that's a really good piece of evidence that I think that goes in the bin of at least 7,000 BC. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, I'm fascinated by that. I've only seen photos of that egg, but to me it's so clear that this is, like you're saying, the artist was depicting what they saw, and then add to that, there's other pottery pieces that I've seen, like at the museum in Cairo, seemed to depict something similar.

They're drawing pyramids on their pottery. And this is all from the, I guess they just called the pre-Dynastic, right? That's it. Yeah, the pre-Dynastic, I think the actual group of people in around Cairo and were called the Madai. Okay.

Mad-eye people. And you have the, it's like from Nama, like the first king. That was around sort of Mad-eye time. but yeah pre-dineate they say dynastic and then pre-dynastic and then there's I think yes when you start getting into Paleolithic Neolithic

age range. It's so my favorite period of ancient Egypt when people go oh you like the Egyptians so you like Cleopatra I'm like well yeah she's cool but actually that's the other end that's thousands of years later I'm really interested in the first five dynasties the pre-dynastic and this whole gray area where people were there. People were living in and around the Green Sahara. And, and yeah, like, there's a whole story that there's so little information when you're Googling it. I was trying to Google pre-Durostic Kings. And there's a very small little bit of information about them because no one

really knows a lot. But there was, there's so much more to the story. It doesn't start with Nama. I mean, the dynasties as we, as we label them do. But, but the heck, technically, they don't because there was kings of Egypt, many, many more kings of Egypt. And the Egyptian records, they have like, there's two sources of pre-Dynastic kings. And there's like an old kingdom one and a middle new kingdom text that's copied off old kingdom text. And both of them name upwards of 10 like pre-Dunastic kings before Nama, before the first one. And I just don't think they get enough recognition because people would they were doing stuff there was there was people there were Egyptians before they were allowed to be dynastic Egyptians basically one of my

favorite videos of yours is your top smoking guns of ancient tech which will keep us kind of right here in the subject of Egypt and all the anomalies so share with me some of your favorite having been to Egypt around the world a lot of these ancient sites these smoking gun proof for ancient technologies you call them. What are some of your favorites? Well, the egg, the Nubian egg is amazing. There's some stonework in ancient Egypt that has sore marks that you can't, is where the copper chisels joke comes in because you cannot make those kind of markings in granite at the speed at which they were made. And you can tell that they were made at speed.

because particularly I'm thinking of two, there's an object in the Cairo Museum. It's a granite box, like a sarcophagus box. That's unfinished because they made a mistake. And they were like soaring down the side and the saw it went wonky. And one thing that Egyptians have grown out is precision and it veered off. And the theory is that if you were working with a hand tool, you couldn't go that wrong, that fast for that long because you would recognize it. You'd be there for weeks doing it. So it's an indication that whatever was moving through this granite was moving through it at

speed because it went so wrong for so long. And so that box is interesting. And the same thing happens at Carnac. There's granite like kind of granite walls, granite stonework. And you can see these huge like saw marks going to the way through it. And they are a, original, you know, some people go, are they modern saw marks? I'm like, no, these are original to the, to the temple because, um, you can see that they've done carvings and stuff around the sawmarks. But, um, but again, the sawmarks kind of go on the wonk and go, woo, and they go, and they go wrong for too long. And, and it's again, so what, what kind of tool were they using? Because it categorically cannot be something, uh, like a chisel, um, or like a hand

tool and you just you don't get the same you don't get the same effect um there are some drill holes i know the drill holes are very controversial because there's good arguments on both sides um it is possible to make drill holes with a copper tube and a lot of um a lot of water and a lot of sludge and a lot of you need like a grinding component um you it is possible i've seen people do it but where I've never been able to see people replicate some of the big ones and particularly like the marks inside. Oh, yeah, actually this is a good, this is a good closing argument. Do you know the argument of Petrie's core number seven?

Do you know? Yeah, his course samples, yeah. Yeah, so Petrie found this core sample and he just sort of chuffed it in his collection to take away. And then it was only, it was around maybe the 80s. when Christopher Dunn was, he was trying to prove that the core, the core from this drill hole, it wasn't straight light. It was on it. It was like a diagonal thing, which, you know, really bringing the tech down to like base level. It basically means that it couldn't have been

done with the like the hand tool way. The archaeologist had said that it had been done. And he tried to prove it. And there's a big argument going, no, it's not spiral. No, the photo of it was on the Wong. It isn't, it isn't. And there's all these argument. And recently a Petrie Museum allowed a team and I got to go in with the team to scan a lot of their ancient vases, a lot of their stuff and Petrie's core number seven. And so they scanned it digitally like with the sort of CAD machine. And so they could once and for all, you know, it's a computer. You can't, it's data and they scanned it. And they were like 100% it's spiral like Christopher Dunn was right. So that's interesting.

So now that everything's getting scanned and we're getting, we're getting data that's down to like the micron. And, and yeah, so basically it means that there was a tool, there was something that they were able to drill with. And it was creating a different kind of pattern inside to the basic copper. So, so again, what's really annoying is like there's no, there's no idea. it's up to anyone's idea of what that tool was. But we know we can rule out a lot of stuff

of what it wasn't. It wasn't copper chisel. Or it wasn't that particular method. Can't be. I asked when I was in Egypt, we went to this amazing alabaster stonework shop and they had guys outside showing you how they make these amazing alabaster vases and everything. And I went up to them

and I showed them a picture of the granite stone vases and was like, how do you make this? Can you make this? And he was like, no, no, I don't know. And I was like, oh, interesting. So the indigenous Egyptian stonemations are so talented. And their stuff is so beautiful. Like the middle kingdom and the old kingdom stuff is so beautiful.

But it's not quite, it's not executed in the same way as some of this really early, really, really impressive stonework. Vases, the plates. Oh, yeah, so what was what we're saying about smoking gun. The schist disc, got to say that carefully. The schist disc. Just give that a Google, if you don't know what that is. That's also in the Cairo Museum.

And all of these things are not in places of honour because people are so busy looking in and looking at like, oh, that's a big statue. You kind of got a, they're at the back in a back cupboard or a back cabinet that know it's so dusty. It's only if you know what you're looking at. The Schist disc is so impressive. It's about the size of like a kind of car tire and it's made of Schist, which is this

very hard but also very fragile stone. So it can shatter. And it's been carved. It looks like it's a 3D. It blows, I can't look at it for too long because it blows my mind. mind, but it looks like a 3D printed, if 3D printers could make stuff out of stone. It's really amazing. There's nothing like it in history.

What's it doing there? Seeing that up close is just mind-blowing, right? I mean... You've seen it? Yeah, how it curves, how it bends. I mean, there's no way ancient man was making this with hand tools. There's just no way. And I'll post a lot of photos and videos of some of the so-called drill holes.

And people freak out about that like you say. But when you put that in context of all of these other cut marks that you just referenced, the vertical cut marks at Karnak into the rose granite and the boxes that are the box you mentioned in the Cairo Museum, isn't it crazy how up close you literally see how the blade turns? there was a blade cutting that like cheese. And so when you know that and you've seen that up close, you then know that the drill holes are not a big step, you know. And then the statues, right?

Like that's one of the most fascinating things to me is the megalithic statues of Egypt that I believe had to have been machine made. The faces are perfect, right? There is a difference between Egyptian statue work and, well, even early Egyptian statue work and later Egyptian statue work. Once you know what you're looking at, the little subtle differences, you can see. So whenever I look at an Egyptian statue, I look at the fingers and the toes, fingernails and the toenails. I look for any markings on it because when you date, you can't date stone.

So how they date a statue is normally with the name of whatever pharaoh is on it. But if you look at where they've put the pharaoh name, sometimes it's done over someone else's work, which is like a big no-no in art and design and stonemasonry. Like, why would you painstakingly make like a pleated fold of a pharaoh skirt? And then over the top of the pleats that you've been doing, sort of whack a, whack a name on it. And some of the statues have two names. Or you've got, there's a whole history in Egypt of people like tagging and retagging and renaming and scrubbing out someone's name and putting Ramsey's name over it. So I don't think it's like a real surefire way of saying that whoever's tagged on the statue is the person in the statue.

the oldest one of the oldest statues of a pharaoh from the second dynasty it's probably only about this big made of basalt it's stunning and it's this seated fero and the only reason they attribute it to the second dynasty pharaoh is because all the way along the bottom

there's like carvings of the name but it's it's not to insult the person who did the carvings, but they look more like scratchings. Like they make, they make me feel very confident that I could probably give it a go and like get my name in there. Whereas the person who made this statue,

stunning work. The basalt is so smooth, so polished. So, and like if you look at the detailing around the fingernails and around the feet, oh yeah. It's in, and I'm my,

yeah, it's a big question. It's like, why couldn't, if you could detail around a fingernail. so beautifully and polish inside and out, why could you not do that with the writing? Why is, and some people go,

oh, well, the person who does the writing is not the same artist who does the statue making. And I'm like, well, why not? Because if you can do toenail in, infill, yeah, like tonal follicles, then you can write a name. You know, like, I don't see why it's a, or you could definitely copy and paste. If you didn't know how to read or write,

you could copy shapes, you're an artist. Or you could at least polish the whole thing up. I would be so infuriated if that was my work. And then someone came and wrote on it. Oh, yeah. So that makes me pull that whole piece of statue and go, was it the second pharaoh? Or was it found and the second pharaoh was put onto it?

And it was inherited and repurposed. There's so much in history that's inherited and repurposed. So that's another sort of smoky. gun of, I have this theory that a lot of the aesthetic of early Egyptian was pulled from potentially older. If the early Egyptians like recreated this big civilization boom, in the same way that we imitate, we don't have gods in the same way kind of today, but we have like footballers and celebrities and Kim Kardashian. If Kim Kardashian wears her hair a certain way, all the women do. So I do wonder whether the phoronic image that we have of the, on the iconic hats

and the iconic, I wondered if that's something older. And it was, they found these like ancient gods and were like, whoa. And then they, they got their aesthetic from somewhere. I've been trying to track like, what, where's the very first imagery of Egyptian iconography, Egyptian fashion, Egyptian style and be like, where did it come from? Did it all, because it does seem to just sort of happen in the first dynasties. It's difficult to see the, like a strong evolution of the fashion. So that makes me think that it potentially is found and recycled and that they maybe inherited a couple of these statues and then that became the mold, like David Beckham.

They were like, we want to be like this thing. Yeah. I've totally been tracking on that too. even with what we call hieroglyphs. Because I've seen these, you've seen them to these 3D symbols into precision symbols in rose granite like on that giant statue.

If you've seen it at what's it called the Ramazium, it's like a two-ton falling over statue. And its shoulders are some 3D precision symbols. and then you can see them along the base that it fell off of and elsewhere in Egypt. But it's almost like that was some of the original symbols of this pre-Diluvian ancient, ancient Egyptian race. And then maybe the dynastics, you know, had fragments of the knowledge and kept the alphabet going. And then they're scratching and then they're hieroglyphs. So it's almost like did the dynastic Egyptians copy their look, but also,

some of their symbols for their language. I think the oldest symbol, I think that's on some stuff, is the circle with the dot in the middle. I remember because I think it looks a bit like a boob. But it's in a lot of the stuff. And I think I have a memory of Yusef saying that's one of the oldest symbol

that's found on the oldest stuff. is this circle with like a dot in the middle. And yeah, so I also have a theory when people go, well, you know, writing was only invented at this point. And I'm like, well, we could also say reinvented because maybe we had a way of marking things that would just be gone. That's the fun thing about when you're talking about the time scale that we're talking about of 100,000 years, 200,000 years. really nothing does survive. So it's this horrible paradox of what ifs. But it doesn't mean that we can't rule it out,

that we have to rule it out because there is that big what if. But recently I've been looking into research about, and this might lose a few people, but into the human ability of like telepathy and communication that it's like nonverbal communication because there's a huge study that's going on right now with nonverbal autistic

or limited verbal autistic children and young adults and how thousands of parents of these nonverbal children have independently come forward to say my son or daughter like they can't speak and communicate in English but they understand what I'm thinking

and they communicate with me non-verbally. And they understand. They know. They know exactly. Like, I can change my password on my computer, tell no one. It's in my head. My son can just do it immediately. He can read my mind.

And they're starting to, they're trying to, there's a podcast called the telepathy tape. And they're trying to get traction and get money to, like, properly scientifically study this. And they've done a few tests that, with what they can right now, by putting the children, you know, separate and getting them to try and read what the parents are looking at or thinking.

And it's coming out, the accuracy is like in the 90% are. So this got me thinking, because I have a theory as well that humans, we're looking at human races from our point of view all the way through the lens of technology, writing. Like, we have to write stuff down in order to keep it because that's what we do. have to, now we don't even write it down, we've moved on to recording things, because we have to record it in order to keep it and remember it. But I was like, what if there was a society or a way that humans could communicate, where actually writing and speaking was like the longer way around? That's like the snail mail. It's the difference of sending like a letter, physical letter and an email for us today. If we could, if we could like share information in a different way than we do

today, then actually things like writing, it's kind of the look down on these autistic children, they're able to teach them how to type and how to finger spell. So they're able to interview these autistic children. And they're all saying, I have a disconnect in my head between my motor skills. So the reason why I'm nonverbal is because it uses your, you've got fine motor skills and like lesser motor skills and speaking is fine motor skills and that's something there's a disconnect the way their brain is made it's they find the disconnect to their body and their brain but what they do have and what people who can speak have is that these autistic children have a have a connection to like a conscious and they're saying that all these kids independently

when they interview talk about this like consciousness of information that they can tap into and it's how you get savant skills um where you know those people who sometimes to have an accent, they have a brain industry, brain injury, and then their brain changes, and they can just know another language, or they know how to play a musical instrument. And they've bypassed the way that we have to do it, which is learn it, step by step, for a process of elimination, practice, and they just kind of download skills, talent, language, knowledge. And so I'm holding, I'm looking into that, and I'm watching that happen and play out in the science space, because I think that's potentially where,

maybe ancient humans were. Maybe they were just so much more connected and were able to share information and knowledge and download things and work things out in a way that they didn't need to like record it in the same way that we do or learn it in the same way that we do. So that's something I'm sort of dipping my toe in. That's fascinating. That even gives me thoughts of some rabbit trails I've been going down in my research from being in Peru the last couple years and how, you know, the elongated, skulled humanoids that once existed, I've found Incan legends that talk about how some of these entities were even alive up until the 15th century. There was a small contingent of them left living amongst the Inca nobles in the Kusko area.

But these were considered to be, basically, if you look at some of the skeletons, they've got a holes in the top of the head, especially like the Waiky one down at that museum, South Ociscoe. Well, according to Incan legend, when these were alive, they would have gold devices inserted into the tops of their heads to help them better consciously connect with the gods, which is just crazy to consider. But then on the solstice days, during the time of the Inca, you know, they mostly just had the mummies of the elongated school race. that, you know, came from Paracas.

But they would put them in the Oaxas, you know, what they considered to be the portals. And again, according to the Inca's own legend, and people are probably tired of hear me talking about this, but to me it's just so fascinating. Like one of my favorite sites is Napa Iglesia, that megalithic cave up in the middle of nowhere. So basically they would, on the two solstices,

they'd bring out their most prized possessions, these elongated-skulled mummies that they called Malkies, they'd put them in that portal-looking Stargate, trapezoidal, and these things would begin to speak telepathically to the Inca, which is why the Malkis were so revered and worshipped, and why they would put them in the portals on the solstice days. Isn't that kind of crazy, consciously, telepathically speaking to them? Well, I mean, it would solve the problem,

the massive riddle that we have of where simultaneously across the whole planet, we've got similar architectural inventions happening at the same time. And logically, you've got two ways that can happen. Either they were physical, people were physically traveling and intermingling. There was way more global travel

than we've ever given anyone credit for. Because to share an idea, you have to physically share it and someone could go and teach how to replicate this wall and that wall. Because or you have this, again, this kind of like this downloading of information and sharing of information that could happen. And so it didn't really matter where you were because we're all on the same planet. And it's the one consciousness. And so many ancient cultures talk about tapping into the resource and tapping into like the one.

and they do it by, well, they do it by either through drugs, through sound frequency. I think there's many different ways that you can tap in. And I think what it's doing is when I was listening to this telepathy tape about these autistic children, I was like, that's so interesting that these autistic children just happen to be born with a brain that's wired, ready to go, in the same way that it's took a lot of ancient cultures. they had to go into, you know, Holy of Holies with meditation, with sound waves, with ayahuasca, with Blue Lotus, to get into that mind state so that they could then access.

Every single thing on the temple wall and the Egyptians, it's about they're holding tuning forks, and it's about sound frequency and drugs and getting your brain into source. And I think that it's not, I don't think there's a load of woo. I think it's science that we don't really understand. understand yet. But you have to get your brain into a certain place. If you were going to lucid dream or astral project, I think there's, yeah, there's states of brain that humans can get into. And when you can, we're going to, yeah, I kind of go back to source. But it would

make sense. So for me, it's one of the others. Either people were moving around a lot more than we ever gave them credit for and sharing knowledge, the, the like that old school way, or they were able to share ideas sort of more mentally and through source. And all these ancient cultures were able, found their way, their twig and leaf and drug and their meditation and they could connect in that way. But either way, they're all connecting to kind of like a Wi-Fi. We've replicated like a digital one now is how we're talking right now. But what if 50,000 years ago you could do it by doing something else?

Before we run out of time, I wanted to ask you about your latest thoughts and the whole Coffrey Pyramid Scan project alleged findings. I know they've had some updates recently, but you were kind of one of the people that kind of broke the story or helped break it. I know the Trevor guy originally leaked it, but then you really helped push it out. You were one of the first videos I watched. So any updates? Are you still a believer?

Are you still excited? Yeah, I mean, until I'm personally, like, I'm not going to jump and trash someone until it's categorically scientifically proven otherwise. I'm going to give people space for their theories. I was very lucky. Somebody just messaged me on my Instagram and said, hey, what do you think of this? And sent me the press release that Trevor Grassie had. permission from the Italian team to put on his Facebook. And so then I immediately emailed Trevor and was like just researching what I go. I thought, I'll just make a TikTok because this is really

interesting. Let me just see where this goes. So I made a TikTok and it kind of went crazy viral. Like the world went crazy viral out of this scans. So I'm waiting. What I'm doing right now is I'm because I'm not a scan expert. I can look at the scans and go, I can't see anything really. So I I don't know how to interpret the data, but what I am willing to do is give the team a lot of space and a microphone to explain their data before I'm going to jump in and be like, so I know that they're doing a conference in Malta,

I think in like two weeks' time, which I'm hoping is going to be televised or recorded. They are also going to Cosmic Summit and they're going to have a panel there, Philippo and Armando and Trevor's going as well. And I think that I'm really excited for Cosmic to get that, to get that next information because obviously they've made some really big claims about what their data can see. At the moment, I have no academic

reason to not believe them. And I think that the scanning technology has, I know what they're doing I know the update is that they're giving they want to give the whole thing to an independent team to replicate completely themselves because it's specifically the software that I think

Philippo has developed because the SAR scanning the SAR scanning it can't go that far like traditionally can't go that far underground but apparently with this new software you can get a much much deeper look at things. So I'm kind of like watching and waiting. Obviously it just boomed everywhere

and everyone got really excited and everyone got really argumentative. Like it's real, it's not real. And I'm just like, I'm just going to wait, give them time to present their data, let the independent team replicate the findings because that's what the science is about, like replicating if you can replicate it. And I'm very excited about the scant's completely separate team. has been scanning under Hawara Pyramid, again using not SAR scanning. I don't remember what they are. The company is called Merlin Burrows,

and they are a legit, you can Google them. They are a legit satellite scanning kind of company, and they work with, they find lost boats and airplanes, and they do agricultural scans and topography of, things. They do work with archaeologists and doing archaeological scans and they scanned the Hauara Pyramid and they did this back in 2015 but I think off I think off the back of the success and the like warm reception that the Coffre Pyramid scans had they have given permission to Louis de Cordier who is he's

the guy who did the matter the original Matahar scans of the Hauara pyramid in Twitter 2008, they gave him permission to kind of like release some of the images. And again, it's exploded. Not quite in the same way as the Coffray one, but everybody can go to, if you look at Labyrinth of Egypt.substack.com, Merlin Borough scans or Louis de Cordier blog. It's going to be the first thing that comes up. You can see some amazing imagery.

And these scans, even I can see things. Like, whereas the Coffray scans, I was a little bit like, it looked like a, it looked like a kind of sonogram scam. You know, when people go, oh, that's a baby. And I'm like, is it? Is it a foot? I don't know. But then sonographers or experts can go, yeah, this is, this and this is. They know what blob is, what a, one that a baby and what isn't. But yeah, so these satellite scams are very exciting because the data that they're,

that they're coming out with are showing that not only is there a huge labyrinth that is under the Hawarra pyramid, as Herodotus recorded that he saw. and there's lots of historical references for they've got accurate like sizings of the rooms under there. There is a there is like a anti-chamber great hall that is a 160 metres by 64 meters

which is a perfect 5-2 ratio of a chain of a of a chamber of like a temple chamber they've also found like complex great halls at minus 40, minus 60, minus 80 and minus 100 meters. So this thing is leveled. Herodotus described the labyrinth at Hawara as an even greater feat of engineering

than the Pyramids of Giza, which is like a big claim because Giza pyramids are pretty insane. But this is insane. The size of this thing underground is phenomenal. And interestingly, one thing to connect the two completely different teams. So Merlin Burrows is a British company, and the scans that they have released were scans that were,

they used the software of the British military security satellite team because the guy who was top researcher in Merlin Burroughs, he's ex-British military, and he asked his buddy, he's got computer and software, but he asked his buddies who still work for the British military, can you collaborate, can I use your software, basically, to get these images? And they said, yeah, sure.

So the imagery is the same imaging technology that the British military use for their security scans. So this is like the best that they could access in the world, you know, in England. And yeah, so that's interesting. But one thing that connects it to the Coffray, because you know the Coffray Pyramid scans, it seemed to show a 80-meter by 80-meter chamber that was underneath. Well, two of them, two sort of 80-meter box chambers. There is also a huge 80-meter-by-80-meter chamber at the heart of the complex of the Hawara pyramid. So that's an interesting parallel.

Two completely different independent scanning teams have found the same measurement chamber on their scans underground. That's what they got to their claiming. And so that's a weird connection between, if there is a connection between the two underground complexes, and if they are there, and if they both measure 80 by 80 meters, that's very specific. measurement, not 90 and 50 or 60, 80 by 80. Oh, and one last thing about the Hawara Labyrinth is that

they've also found a domed chamber, which I believe is the first, like, fully domed I can't think in Egypt where there's a domed chamber. Wow. They all seem to be pretty square.

But where you do get a domed chamber is all the way in Barbar Caves in India. They're like the kings of the domed granite granite chamber. So that's interesting. So if there is a dome chamber

in the Hawara Labyrinth, and apparently it's the size of the it's the size of the pantheon in Rome or something. I'll have to double check my no, the size of, yeah, the pantheon

in Rome. There we go. I did the back on my head. But this is all stuff that I really, I implore people to go and look at and research because if this can be independently, like studied and verified, that's insane. We then have a connection, a direct connection of dome, granite dome work in India and underground in Egypt, just insane.

So crazy to consider. and like you said, technology is helping us kind of blow open the dam of our true past or true history. I often refer to it as a forbidden history because it just seems like there's been such a stranglehold on this stuff coming out to the mainstream. But, Johanna, this has been such a great time with you. I know we're at a time. What can people be looking forward to? You've got any upcoming projects events that people can look forward to find you at? Um, so me, uh, what, the one thing that's like ongoing at the moment is, uh, me and Luke

Cabins, who's my, uh, content creator buddy, um, even though he's based in America and I'm here, we, we do Raiders of the Past podcast. So that's our like, long running, um, project. We want to keep actively doing our podcast. Um, I'm going to try and follow, especially do, do, do, like, updates from, from Cosmic. I can't go to Cosmic this year. Um, um, um, because I'm having a baby in the summer and I can't fly to Cosmic. Thank you. But I'm hoping to get back to Cosmic next June and get back because that's such a hub of meeting people and learning so much stuff. So, yeah, I'm going to have a bit of a quieter year work-wise because I'm obviously having a baby.

But then once she's big enough to go Temple running, I guess, I'm going to have a mini-me. and yeah but I'm going to still try and commit to keep doing the podcast and as much sort of like armchair archaeology as I can in my maternity leave and then yeah and then I think like long term we're looking through raiders we're looking to potentially start doing like raider tours and and getting back out to the sites and bringing people along with us and yeah i'd love i'd love long time i'd love to um i love making content i'd love to be able to do some sort of properly filmed documentary or film or something getting out on the ground with a camera and getting getting as much information out because i think that's one of the way forwards if you if we have a a barrier between getting information to people through academic

sources, what's the one way that you can get a lot of information very quickly to a wide audience, which is film and TV. And yeah, so that would be amazing to, whether it's a documentary or whether it's fiction, because you can put a lot of scientific fact into something that's wrapped in a fictional. So, yeah, we just need Netflix to come along and be like, here we go. Well, I wouldn't doubt they'll hit you up soon with some of the viral content you've already put out there. Have you seen the new movie Fountain of Youth on Apple? I recommend it.

If you're a fan of Indiana Jones and that kind of stuff, I love a fantasy adventure, I think it was actually better than the last Indiana Jones movie. It's Natalie Portman and John Krasinski. It really surprised me. I hadn't even heard of it until it just came on Apple. And I gave it a go, I've watched it twice. but specifically they filmed at the whole third leg of the movie

is based in the spoiler alert is based under the pyramids of Giza and they filmed on the Giza plateau Guy Ritchie is the director they had the budget is Apple they had the budget they literally hired the pyramids but where it was so geeky was I could tell exactly which pyramid they were filming and where they were filming on the plateau the minute that they went in

I was like that's not the inside of the the pyramid. They went into like sets. But what was interesting is in the movie, in the movie, they scan the pyramids and realized that there's a whole load of stuff under the pyramid.

But this movie was made pre-cophro scan. So when the coffer scan came out, the movie people must have been like, yes, we got it right. But I think you'll find it really interesting because they go, they kind of bust in under the pyramids and they go all through the chambers

that are under there. And they incorporate things. things like the theory of sound frequency, levitation, moving big stones. Yeah, there's like a whole mix of like complete. Yeah, it's a whole, yeah, it was me. I was geeking out. It was so fun.

Obviously, it's all highly fantastical. But, but, but, yeah, definitely recommend Fountain of Youth if you're a fan of, of, of, of, like, that kind of genre of stuff. That's the game my next watch based off your record. Yeah. No, no, really, I really, really enjoyed it. And I was geeking out at how much I was like,

the art department clearly didn't know the difference between early dynastic and later dynastic stuff. And I was like, oh, it's just a movie, Johanna let it go. But I was watching it being like, that is a 26th dynasty pillar. What is that doing into the pyramids? Because they were not built in the 26th dynasty. So, yeah, I was like, oh, I'm so geeky. but yeah and just quickly before we go because I really wanted to hear your experience of Easter Island because that's the last place that I went to like physically and it was just unreal so what was your

experience you know I was just blown away you're you're coming out on the plane you can I was blown away how I knew it was small but it was just so small this island you can see the whole thing from the your plane window Yeah. This little tiny dot in the middle of nowhere with all these moai. It was incredible. It was more Hawaii-feeling vibes than I imagine, too, for some reason in my mind. Even though I had seen pictures and videos, I just thought it would be more desolate.

And, I mean, it was volcanic pockmarked everywhere, but it was just beautiful, the little village. But I was blown away. Like going up to the quarry on the volcano was mind-blowing. Yeah. walking around them. That was about the closest you can get to a lot of them, right? The colossal size. And then I was even, you know, we go up to the top of that one volcano.

I was talking with another archaeologist that he overheard some of us ancient alternative history geeks talking. And he says, hey, because we were looking at they had, at the top of that volcano, They had a remake of this rock with the petroglyphs on it, the Birdman. Yes. And he goes, yeah, that replica right there is here because the original is actually down there in the water in the volcano. So the fact that this giant petroglyph is still down there in the crater is kind of like, okay, how old is this stuff really, right? and then I kind of went down a rabbit trail with my friend Simon

of the thousand plus moai there's only like 12 ever found that are actually basalt yeah that I found that weird as well like 90% of them are volcanic that volcanic ashy rock which is very porous and easy to manipulate I can see why they switched it but then but then there's a few that are basalt and that's insane. Like the one that's basalt, the one that has the very intricate carvings on the back

that's quite famous. I was so excited to go to Easter Island to see that and I was going to go and get up close imagery of it all. And I kept asking the tour guide. I was like, where's the one that has the birds on the back? And it was like, oh, that's in the British Museum, the basalt one. And I was like, are you kidding? I came all the way from London.

I was like, I've already seen it. I've seen it in the British Museum. So, yeah, so the basalt one, that particular one that's in the British Museum, and that's why the carvings have stayed. Because I was so disappointed that I was checking the back of every Moe that we could see. And all of the back, if they're exposed to the elements, the back carvings are pretty much all but disappeared. Apart from the ones on the beach that had sand to kind of keep, we're so lucky with Egypt because the sand and the hot climate preserves everything for way longer. but in Easter Island it's rain, it's acid rain. The acid rain is changing.

So even in the last hundred years, they are erode, the moai that all expose to the elements are eroding so much faster because we're having a different type of weather now. So it's a shame because a lot of the moai are buried up to their neck. So we know that if we dug them out, we would have fresh carvings to be able to explore. But they're not going to, they're not going to, excavate anymore in my way, which I get

because on one hand you're preserving them, but on the other hand, we're not learning. So I'm like, can't we just excavate them and learn and then put the back? Can't we excavate one and put it in a museum and cover it? Yeah, or like all we could excavate it

and yeah, like build some sort of protective thing over it. But like I get it. It's a very, very holy space. The whole island is very holy. It's very sacred. I get it. They don't want to do a Gebeca-Tepae and like they don't want to commercialize it too much.

You can visit it obviously, but it's very, very sacred. So that's interesting. Yeah, but just Easter Island was just unreal. Yeah. And the whole island, like I said, it felt warm. It felt safe. The Rapa Nui people are amazing. Very Polynesian.

I was expecting South American because it was technically. owned by chili but chili have kind of released it back and it's they're very much in their Polynesian roots and yeah what a magical island magical place but looking out into the water there's nothing for thousands of thousands of miles i felt like water world i was like wow this is water world like there's you could be on a boat for days and think that the whole world was an ocean yeah unreal and yeah and yeah i found it interesting that, you know, on your normal tour to Easter Island, you know, they take you all the way around the island. You get to see all these moai, except any of the basalt ones that

are left. I think there was 12 total found. Like you said, one's in the British Museum. I've seen that incredible. The others are at other museums, but the eight or nine left on the island, kind of funny how you can't see them unless you, there's one in a museum there. One in a museum there which the museum is closed and the others you have to go by horse to a remote neck of the island so that was interesting right that the basalt ones i literally couldn't see while i was there it was interesting so the um i was blown away at how young the moai were because the quarry when they excavate, when they were in the 70s and 80s, when they were excavating down and discovering that they were of super long,

and they were doing all the soil samples, and they were doing all of the human activity deep around the Moai Mountain and around Vinipu and the Megalithic Wall, which is my favorite place on the site. And yeah, like the oldest date that they could get was like 1200 AD which in English terms that's just Robin Hood times

that's that's so recent and and they had evidence of the the quarry being like used and active 400 years ago and I was like that's nothing normally when we're talking about ancient history we talk about Egypt

is like thousand to four thousand years ago from 400 so I was a little bit disappointed that there was no there was no kind of hard evidence that the Moai themselves were older. However, my big takeaway from my research into it was that the, when you look at the indigenous story of the island about how, and that our poor guy mentioned this off the bat,

he said, yeah, so when the Rappanoi people were coming to the island, they were coming to an island that they already knew existed. They didn't discover it. That's not their origin story at all. Their origin story is that where they were, their original OG island, that Rappanui is like Rapa Nui 2.0, their original island of Heaver was sinking

or there was some sort of deluge or they couldn't stay on the original island. And so the king sent out seven scouts. Again, it's weird that all these ancient histories have these numbers, like seven. seven stages, the seven scouts of Rappanui, and they sent them to an island that they already knew existed to scout it out. So either that means that someone had been there before or that they had like a historical memory of a place, or there are other versions of the story where, again, that people astral projected and knew where it was, again, from this like data download in the cloud. But anyway, the point is, is that they didn't just accidentally discover it,

they didn't just get in boats and sail away and be like, whoops, because you can't accidentally discover anything in the middle of Pacific Ocean. It's way too big and it's way too small. But then the story is that they went to the island to restart their civilization. An island they already knew existed and they brought with them the moai. And that the moai were this already established ancient imagery, ancient stonework, ancient. So the imagery of the moai, as it is with the hand placement, it predates anything that archaeologically is found on the Rappanui island. They brought them from that OG civilization to Rapanui,

and then they re-replicated the ancient image of the moai. And then there's a whole story about how they broke, they bought maybe a basalt mowai, and they brought them and they broke it. And they were like, oh my God, they just sailed this moai across the ocean, which is a feat because they're heavy, right? And so they brought this stone moai to the island,

and they smashed it. it and then they were literally like guys like you're going to have to replicate it again and that's what started the initial like design process of like trying to work out how to replicate the moa that they brought with them so i found that really interesting to go okay so the the iconography the symbolism the idea of the moai the original moai were physical statues that they brought with them to the island they weren't created on rappenoo they were recreated and remade and i thought okay, so the imagery of the hands could go back into antiquity as far as, well, we don't know.

So that was an interesting thing. So the ma'i that we find, even though there isn't evidence that those particular moai, that stone is any older than the activity around it. However, the imagery of it is very, very old. And where did that go? number. One fascinating nugget I came across and doing research was I was reading the journals of

the Dutch Explorer, Jacob Rogavine, I think it's pronounced. He writes some weird stuff when they come to the island. He's basically, I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically says they see the native population over here. And he's basically describing another. class or almost something entirely different. He says, and then we saw the priest class venerating the statues, doing these strange dances, and he describes them as having white skin, red hair, and they were very large. And so very interesting. And then some of the

missionaries that were there in the 1800s also referenced this other class and said they were cannibals and so very strange stuff i mean there's so much more that i guess the point is than we know have you seen the movie rappenui the kevin costner movie from the 90s no so um i watched that when i got back because i saw that there's one cinema there there isn't a cinema in rapanoi if you want to go to the cinema you have to fly to chili to go to the cinema but they do have five hours um and but you do they do have a like a a a bar that every single night screens the Kevin Costner movie Rappanui from like 1994. So we didn't see it on the island, but when I got home, I found it and watched it.

And that's a really interesting movie because it shows the two tribes, the two different tribes of Rappanui, the long ears and the short ears. And it was the two class differences. Yeah, essentially two different tribes and they have a huge, they hate each other and they have this huge fight. So that movie, I enjoy this. that movie because I like 19th adventure movies. But that's a really good movie to understand the fact that, yeah, the rapine-me-people weren't always all one.

There was two tribes who looked very different. One, they're called Long ears and Short Ears. And, yeah, there's a whole history there. And basically one tribe killed out the other. And then only, I think only one or two members of. the other tribe ever survived that battle. But what was interesting is that also when I got back from Rapa Nui, I started researching genetically the history because recently the Rapa Nui people

gave permission to DNA test ancient Rappanui bodies that some French, French museum had. They had like, you know, 16th century Rappanui people and they said, hey, can we, can we DNA test? these, and they gave permission, which is amazing. And they were able to show that 10% of the Rapa Nui, 90% are Polynesian, 10% are South American. So 100% people from Peru and South America were coming to Easter Island and and Easter Island were going to Peru and back and forth and they were making babies. And there is 10% of the island's DNA, the ancient island's DNA, the ancient island's and A is South American.

So that confirms that there was a crossover physically, which means that there is a crossover of, therefore, of knowledge of the stones. So that's why the stones in Vinipu looks like the stones in Kusko, because they were shagging. So that was really interesting. So when you're talking about there being like distinct, different people on the island, well, there were because they got that now. the DNA sort of trace.

Because there's a little ginger, ginger hair is known in South America in the ancient. Yep. Yep. So then that's, that's a traceable link there. So they were able to go across again, which means we need to give the ancient people, ancient sea fair and navigators. Like, again, so much more credit. But, yeah, that was an interesting thing about.

about that as well so maybe maybe that has something to do with the like the visual differences on the island because there was visual there was um genetically differences going on and again there were these two tribes the short hit the short ears and the long ears and they were very separate and they fought each they killed each other um for a very long time yeah and the red um hats or top knots represented basically their red their red their red hair from what i'm so there yeah the moai hats are not hats their hair they're there they're they're they're like the top knot. Yeah, super.

Well, now I've got two movies to watch. Yeah, Rappanui and Fountain of Youth on my recommendations. Everybody, those are going to be getting spiked downloads tonight in this week based off Jayhanna's recommendations. Well, Jayhanna, thank you so much. Everybody listening or watching, follow her on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, at Funny Old with an E. Yeah, like ye old.

And subscribe to her podcast with Luke Caverns. It's awesome Raiders of the past podcast, right? Yeah, thank you very much for the shout-out. Yeah, this has been fun. I love, as you can say, I love chatting about this. I can chat all the way about this. I love it. Yeah, this is great.

And I like your map behind you as well. That's really interesting. Oh, yeah, you know, I'm trying to look like I travel a little bit. You need to put little red flags in it, little pins. Yeah, everywhere I'm good. And you could put one right in the middle of Easter. It's amazing. That's the furthest I've ever traveled in the world ever.

Yeah, and it's so crazy how long it takes to get there on a massive plane from Santiago. Oh, yeah. Unreal. Five hours. Five hours. And one thing I would warn people, just make your travel plan, have plan B's and be flexible because you are not guaranteed to land on Easter Island. We had it that the, it was too foggy.

So the plane after us or before us, the day before or after, basically flew from Chile for five hours, circled the island and flew back. They were on the plane for 10 out. It was the visibility was too dangerous for the plane. Because it's the island so small, the runway, so small. You need really good visibility to do that safely. And they just didn't have it. So there was a whole group. And they do one flight a day from Chile to Easter Island and one flight back.

So if that flight doesn't land and doesn't leave, people can't leave the island, people can't arrive. It was, it was chaos. I was like, oh, luckily we weren't stuck, but we had a very, very squished plane the next day because that was our flight. But we were trying to fit everybody who couldn't leave the day before on this flight too. It was. I cannot imagine being those poor people that had to circle and go back. I would lose my mind. I would lose my, well, I flew 16 hours straight from London to Chile.

And then I had an hour in the airport to switch planes. And then I did, from 16 hours, I did another five. I flew for 20-something hours straight. Yeah. It was horrendous. But I would do it again. I would do it again to go back to Easter Island. It's worth it.

Yeah. I got to get back. Well, Johanna, thank you again so much for, time. This was amazing. Everybody follow her and hopefully in the future we'll do this again.