Megalithic Marvels - The Prehistoric Nephilim Wars / Gary Wayne

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

In this exclusive interview I am joined by the author of "The Genesis 6 Conspiracy," Gary Wayne, who's decades worth of intense research regarding the prediluvian golden age world is sure to captivate your mind. Who were the Watchers that are mentioned in the ancient book of Enoch? What does the Bible actually say about the giants of old? Who really were the Nephilim and what was their end-game? We discuss all of these questions and much more in this insightful interview. Get Gary's books here

Well, I am honored to be interviewing Gary Wayne today. He's an incredible researcher and the author of the insightful book Genesis 6 Conspiracy. Gary, thank you for your time today. Oh, thank you. And thank you for having me. Excited to be here and excited to talk about some of the things that we just might get into. And I think the audience may find it interesting as well. At least I hope so.

So Genesis chapter 1, verses 1 and 2 says, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was over the surface of the deep. Some very famous scripture there that many have heard. And it kind of seems like more and more Bible scholars and people are talking about Genesis chapter one, specifically what might have happened between verse 1 and 2, i.e. the gap theory, as many call it. So I would really love to know kind of how do you interpret, Gary, Genesis chapter 1 versus 1 and 2? Yeah, that's a very good question.

And, you know, it's one of those questions that certainly Christians find a little bit divisive at times. And people think that because they're used to standard doctrine and theology, that if you stray from the interpretation of, you know, the standard version that the creation days of one through seven are part of the first, verse one, one, when God created heavens on earth, you may be, you starting to talk a little bit unbiblical. So I'm open to both the gap theory and I'm open to the standard theology. But it's interesting to dig into why people believe there's a gap between 1-1 and 1-2,

which I think is the real story. And people accept that the translations coming out of Hebrew in the Old Testament or perhaps Greek in the New Testament have a standard version. not quite. There's different possible translations depending on how it mixes with the rest of the narrative. In Genesis 1112, it has some of those very open-ended questions that you could translate that two different ways.

And what I like about the gap theory is is it allows for a period of time that's unknown, right, before the creation days of days one through six and seven. And so whether or not dinosaurs were before the flood and during the six days of creation or sometime before that as what certainly science would say with their archaeology matters not to me if you're open to that there's a different translation there in Genesis 1-1 and 1-2 and you get out of all of these arguments and credibility issues. And so some translations actually will say in Genesis 1-1 to 1-2,

it says now the earth became void and formless, as opposed to and the world became formless. And that's because it could literally be translated both ways. And so if it's now or and, either or it doesn't really make any difference because even and suggests a pause or a gap. So it doesn't matter whether you're using the King James version, or other translations, you arrived kind of at a similar sort of issue. And so if we look at what is going on in that verse also,

there's another reference that's rather odd where it has, not odd, but if you link it up with another verse, it becomes a little bit strange because you have the spirit hovering over the earth on a formless earth. But if you go to Psalms 104, you have a similar accounting of God's, sending the spirit to renew the face of the earth. And this is a creation account in the Psalms.

And so all of a sudden you have this renew. And then if you link that gap possible, and this is a renewal of the earth, and or that now the earth became void and formless, it suggests that there's a period of time, and then the earth is where it's thriving, it's destroyed, and then it's renewed, and then you go into the Genesis,

stories of days one through six and seven, and that's a time frame down the road. And what's also interesting is if you get into the word form, that comes from the Hebrew word too, and that means desolation or a desert, or figuratively sort of a worthless sort of thing, which is very, very odd that God would create the heavens and the earth, but he made it desolate, worthless.

Because in Isaiah 45, you know, God talks about God where he says, he will not create anything in vain. Right. And in vain, and that means as it goes on, he informed it to be inhabited. So why wouldn't he form the earth completely done? And then why do we have this verse in Psalms about a renewal of the earth? And then why do we have this gap with and or now and or became? And then when you look at that word vein coming out of Hebrew, it's the word boohu, which is the same word for void in Genesis 112, where the earth is without form and void.

And void translates as empty waste and undistinguishable ruin. So it's uninhabited, it's desolate, it's a ruin, and that suggests it became a ruin. You wouldn't create it a ruin, right? It would be maybe a work and process, but it wouldn't be created. a ruin. So I like the idea of there's a gap there. It's not constitutive to my Christian faith, but it makes all other sort of issues go away. I don't have to worry about what the secular's are talking about and every sort of theory of however old it is and how the age is change. And it doesn't really matter to me because I can take that verse

either way. And it also seems to me it fits in the angelic rebellion a little better that at some point in time the angels rebelled and because of that rebellion the earth becomes void. Right. There's something that goes on in prehistory with the angelic rebellion that destroys this whole old order of Sorian type of beings

which are kind of reptilian. And I think it answers those questions. But you could also place that in day six or days, you know, from days one through day seven with the rebellion. But it gets a little bit more complicated to do that. So if you're asking me for a firm decision on which one I believe, I lean towards the gap, but I'm comfortable with either one. Wow, thanks for sharing.

I mean, there's so much obviously in there more that we could discuss, but. Yeah, you could do a whole show on that. And let me throw out another verse for some people who want to dig in. And they should read Second Peter in the New Testament as it talks about, you know, the heavens and the earth that was overflowed with water and perished. Well, if that's not talking about the flood because the earth didn't perish, right? It wasn't totally dead and void. And this was from a former age when you get into the language of that.

So I would encourage people to look at Second Peter as it refers to creation or the flood, however they want to interpret it. But have a look at it in terms of it was possibly a different. destruction of the earth and then it was renewed by the spirit in Genesis 1-1-1-2. It's very good. And thanks for sharing those other scripts for people to check out. That's great to take, obviously, the whole scripture and context. My next quote... I have a handout on that, actually, just sort of interrupt.

And there's a few more ones like in Job and a few other ones you could check out. But somebody wanted to get some more information on Genesis 1-1-1-2. I'll lay it out and I've got all the different words and the translations and the meaning. So if you want that information, just get a hold of me and I'll send it to you. That's great, Gary. Thanks. And you can go to Genesis 6 Conspiracy.com to get a hold of Gary and connect with them on Facebook. I'll tell you more about that at the end of the interview. But it's a great website.

Tell you all about him and his book. So here's kind of a crazy question for you. on Mars as well as on the moon are what many believe are like ancient geoglyphs and more megalithic ruins that have basically been photographed by like the Viking orbiter and other satellites so my question Gary is do you believe these could have been built or inhabited by fallen angels and or the Nephling in ages past yeah I would lean more heavily towards the and angels than the Nephilim. And I know in other mythos, whether it's the ancient alien mythos or some other sort of

polytheist religions and slants on it, they have them moving back and forth. But typically the Nephilim weren't really around kind of long enough, although the technology may advance to let that happen. I don't see the time frame and, you know, and as they're advancing that technology, that it permits them to do that for a long period of time. And also we learn from prehistory, from other religions and other mythologies, is that these gods or angels,

they come from other planets or the universe. So they're doing business around the universe, just as Satan does business around the universe in the Bible. And we also understand that all of the knowledge that humans receive civilizations itself, building knowledge, astronomy, religious, agriculture comes from these gods, right, or the fallen angels, depending on your perspective, whether it's polytheist or monotheist.

And so when I look at all of that, I look at it as the fallen angels doing things around the earth and building things, because even the cities, according to polytheists sources and mythologies, will say that the gods built the great cities. So whether it's the seven great cities of Sumaria or Machu Picchu or any of the great megalists, the descendants that as it comes down through history don't say they built that. It was by the gods. So if there are megalists on Mars and other planets, and there could be, I think that's more likely done by the fallen angels.

And I want to just also throw out another distinction in case you've got some other researchers and people who understand kind of this area that are coming from a different perspective than I am, which is a Christian perspective. And so, like, if you get into the ancient alien mythos or some of the Gnosticisms that, let's say Lawrence Gardner might talk about, they talk about the Anunnaki and two kinds of Anunaki, a heavenly Anunaki and an earthly Anunaki, or as some of them might refer to as a Gidji as well as the Second Order. Well, the Second Order is the Earthborn, or the Nephilim, as we would understand them.

And the heavenly ones are the ones that come from the other planets, just as in fairy mythology, we'll talk about the same thing. So some people will, in some of those other mythoses, we'll talk about Nephilim as being from heaven as well. That's possible. It certainly would be a standard, but I would interpret that as the sons of God or fallen angels. If you want to call them Nephlem as fallen ones,

as it translates out of ancient Hebrew, that's fine. but understand there are two different sets and two different roles of what they sort of play in prehistory and they're not equal groups Very good. Thank you for that In your book you share how Satan took the form of a seraph When he deceived even the garden and then how Nephilim possessed basically the face of a viper Yeah Did serpents identify as seraphim? And then you also state in your book quite extensively on Nephilim, or basically these beasts with long necks and faces like serpents, very similar to how people now mythologize aliens.

This is mind-blowing stuff to consider. And I was really excited to ask you, basically, if you could break down kind of a connection between the seraphim, seraphs, and then these Nephilim serpentine features. Right. So in Eden, where I talk about in the book about Satan taking the form of a snake or Nakash, as it goes back to in Hebrew, I think you could probably also look at that as Satan just possessing the Nakash or the serpent, right? And people understand that verse either or. I'm fine with either one again for the audience, but we're still talking about a snake and we're still talking. about Satan possessing him. Now, we're the connections that really become apparent with a serpent, because I think the

serpent and all Sorian beings are the favored beings of Satan and the rebellious fallen angels, and I'll try and connect all of that through as I go here as well. So when we talk about the watchers who went to Mount Herman, that comes out of Enoch and the Sons of God, as it is in Genesis 6, 3, and 4, and 5, going to the Sons of Dawkins. and creating the Nephilim through population, this was an order called the Watchers. And in Greek, it's called Gregori. And there are a specific order of watchers. And there's, again, these watchers are known, in my opinion, as seraphim angels.

These are the seraphim angels who are the governors of the Antediluvian world. And in the Antediluvian epoch you have anywhere from one, which we're, we would know from the Bible that it talks about at least one anti-Duluvian civilization to other versions coming out of other religions and mythologies from four to nine civilizations. Typically seven is the standard, as in the seven gods of Asgard or the seven gods of Olympia, the seven mountains and dragons out of China and on and on and on. So let's say seven just for simplicity state. And these watchers were the governors and these were cult centers that they established in the antediluvian epochs.

those different civilizations, whether it's Mu or Atlantis or Asgard or whichever ones you want to sort of utilize that on mythology. Now, these watchers who governed over the earth as being seraphim angels, we first learned about seraphim in Isaiah 6. And it talks about these six-winged angels in Isaiah 6, and they surround the throne. So again, underlining that they're typically at the top of the order with cherubim, which Satan is also called cherubim as well. And so he seems to be able to have two different classifications. But he's one of the greatest beings ever created, right? So you would expect a higher rank and a higher order to what he would have originally done.

And he had nine jewels on his breastplate, which means he might have even been a priest around the throne of God, as with the Israelites, the Levite priests in Israel, they had 12. Nine were the same and three additional ones, and they were able to communicate God through these breastplates. And when we look at that, and you look into the research that Bible scholars and some Bibles will make a note that it refers these seraphims back

to the venomous snakes out of Numbers 21. And for people who don't understand Numbers 21, That's when the Israelites are in the Exodus in the desert. They're being attacked by venomous Nakhash serpent snakes. And what happens is God instructs Moses to put an image of a serpent on his staff and stand it up. And it's going to protect the Israelites and cure them from these venomous snakes. Now, in every situation except for the image going on the staff, the word Nakhash is used. But the image going on the staff is seraphim.

So now we understand that these are fiery serpent-like, and if you take the root meaning back for seraphim, it goes back to a meaning of serpent-like snakes and fiery messengers and words like that. So now we understand for sure that the image of them are seraphim. They look like seraphim, or they look like snakes. And we have a connection here with snakes and the Eden serpent. and then we go to Revelation 12,

we understand that Satan is not only the devil, but he's also called the serpent and the dragon. Now you put wings on a seraphim angel and they had six wings, you have an angelic dragon, right? And you put wings on the serpent in Eden as an animal, because after Eden is how we know the snake, having the legs ripped off, and the arms or whatever limbs that it had had and possibly wings and it was intelligent and it could talk

and in some other versions like the Gnostic Gospels it was as big as a camel and very, very intelligent. Just as we're told it's the craftiest of animals in Eden. So you could have some animal dragons as well and you also have the angelic drag. Okay. So when we talk about now these gods and watchers as being seraphim, they were said, to have the face of a snake. They had long extended chins. They had very high cheekbones.

They had slanted eyes. And they had elongated serpent-like skulls. And they passed on this look in the first generation to the Nephilim who had the same type of face. And just as a knack translates as a long neck. And we get descriptions of these accounts of these nephalim as well coming out of like Atlantean mythology that will have them as blonde hair and blue-eyed, red hair, green-eyed, and aquiline, or these serpent-like faces. And just as the Aztecs and the Mists also had the same description as what the Hopi did for the white clan tribe that comes out of Atlantis to resettle after the flood and on and on and on.

And then you have all of these serpent and dragon imagery, not only in the royal dynasties around the world, but also as gods, whether it's the Uyghurit archaeology where you get these gods and these sort of giant beings with these elongated skulls, you have this consistency of the serpent imagery that I think goes back to emulating the gods and the kings and the demigods of antedilugian history.

right and so if you look at let's say a gray alien he's got this oval head similar to what a snake would have and sometimes their eyes glow just as the nephalum eyes glowed and but they're quite a bit smaller right but they do have this sort of head shape that's very very similar now under the greater creation concept that i call the greater nephalum concept you have other beings being created that are also violations against creation, whether or not it's a copulation with animals or other gods or DNA manipulation or whatever's going on back there that create fantastic beings, whether or not it's things like Pegasus or the centaurs and on and on out of prehistory.

But there's also the little people, the little fairies. And the fairies, as I mentioned as a group, it also has mythologies about these fairy angels coming from other planets. There's four classifications of fairies. One is the angelic fairy that comes from other planets. The second one are the earth-born fairies, which are the demigods that they create through copulating with human females. The third one is as demons, which are the bodiless spirits of the fairies. And then you have the elementals, which goes into three different classifications. You have the mischievous ones, which are like leprechauns. You have good-looking ones that would be like and they're called the little people uh would be like tinkerbell i guess

would be a good example coming out of peter pan and then you have the ugly ones which are gnomes and goblins and things like that so there's many of these little subsets under each of these three groups that's just as toopian will take from the ugly group like the dwarves which are miners and smith crafts right and the hobbits and so that's all out of this ugly classification and within that there's a there's a classification called gray fairies. And they're known as the little gray neighbors in Scotland, and they're known just as sort of gray fairies around the world. And they have flying machines, and they kidnap people.

They do experimentation on people, and they return them after a fortnight or 14 days. And I put one of those accounts in my book, and if you didn't know it was a gray ferry coming through a portal called a Shay with a spacecraft, you think, it was a gray alien. And I connect the dots that that's talking about the same type of event that's been going on all throughout our history as part of this greater concept of creating beings other than the Nephilim that went on and somehow survived. Wow.

Crazy stuff to think about. Yeah. In your book, I think you might have been quoting an ancient scripture or something somewhere, but it basically stated that all the original originating nephaline mothers died for their physiology could not cope such monsters. Yes. Many of the Nepheline infants died at birth with only the babies delivered through a

barbaric form of cesarean birth, saving any of them at all. Wow. This is incredible, crazy stuff to think about. Can you please elaborate on that part of this whole nephaline? So that comes out of the first book of Enoch, which most people like to quote. There's other books like the secrets of Enoch and the book of giants, but this is the one that runs most consistent with the Bible, although it has some variations in it and some maybe corruptions

because they're not sure it's the actual true source. So use it for context, but again, to me, it makes sense that, you know, if you're going to create these giants, how could A, they have sex with them and B, how could they have the babies and how would the mothers survive? And Enoch says the mothers didn't survive. And in ancient Egyptian reliefs and stuff, you actually see these gods pouring the semen into the women. So you wonder whether or not that's how they actually got the semen in there. But then angels could also be shapeshifters, right?

They could take any form that they wanted. so there could be any size that they wanted to. So the sex part's not the big obstacle for me. It's just how do they deliver the babies? And we find out that they had to cut the bellies open from Enoch and all the mothers were slaughtered. And then they're called sirens for those bodiless spirits because of violating the law against creation.

Enoch goes on to talk about that. They're kind of treated like Nephlam as being bodily. the spirits when the body dies because they violated the laws against creation. I think what they violate there is what Romans talks about is what can't be forgiven is a sin against the Holy Spirit. As we talked about the spirit being part of the creation, it gives life. So anything that you violate against the Holy Spirit and the laws of creation doesn't sound like that can be forgiven just as people who take the mark aren't forgiven of the beast,

right? So perhaps something modifies the DNA there. But these sirens are the same word that is used for, and they're out there to deceive humans from that point on. And these are the same word that's used for other variations of mermaids, right? So as it comes down through Greek mythology. And so they're a form of mermaid. And these mermaids, they call people in to deceive them and harm them and promise them good stuff. So there's a consistency here against the sirens.

And so all the mothers are murdered in favor of the demigods that they want to have come out, to take over the earth, to take over the kingships and to enslave humankind in the antediluvian epoch. And so, yeah, it's a horrible thought to think about. But it has so much logic to it that, and you're going to produce a giant. I mean, how can a human female deliver a giant? Well, some sort of cesarean type of operation went on. Amazing. Yeah, I mean, it really just shows the sinister nature and motive behind the whole the Nephilim that it's literally, you know,

it's not just these females going along with to produce these giants. They're literally dying as these. Nephlemy birth is just a crazy thought. Wow. Yeah, and they may not have realized that that was going to happen to them, but we don't know. They could have been brainwashed and prepared by the descendants of Kane to do this act. And of course, because the Nephilim, they partner with the descendants of King, right? And they partner with the seven sacred sciences and the mysticism that comes out of the secret societies that the Canaanites develop. So it makes sense to me that they would have been well prepared to do this, although they may have been lied to that they weren't going to survive.

We're also told in other accounts that particularly in Greek mythology that this just didn't happen on Mount Herman as what Enoch talks about. Poseidon, for example, he has five sets of twins, which includes Atlas and he creates 10 giants that's going to ruin his empire, but he also made it with many other human females. So it wasn't just one incident at Mount Herman. And so we don't know how many of these immortal beasts were created in the first generation. But as you go through parallel accounts out of polytheism, you understand that more than just the Mount Herman account happened. Right. in your book you talk about how we can only speculate as to the size of some of the giants and how big they may have grown

yeah and um i guess my question would be how tall do you guesstimate the original giants were these original nephaline yeah so the first thing is is i when i do not accept uh an l measurement as a cubit out of the book of first Enoch. And I know one translation coming down, we'll say L, and the other one will come down of translation of Enoch will be, I think it was 300 L's or cubits,

and the other one is 3,000. And again, I just miss either one because, hey, we really don't know what an L is. People think it's a qubit, but that would make these things, you know, 400 feet tall to 4,000 feet tall. So let me now sort of tell you how I arrive at the size that I think.

And I'll tell you what I think that is. So when we look at Goliath, we're told he's either usually eight to nine feet tall in most biblical accounts. And they use a standard cubit of 18 inches. But Goliath, and I make the case in the book, that he was the king of Gat, just as Nephilim were kings and nobles. of all of the civilizations. And so there was two measurements to the cubit in antiquity. One was the common gap for building and things like that.

And there was also a royal cubit. And so if you're a king, you're going to be measured by a royal cubit. So that would put Delia somewhere between 10 and 11 feet tall. Then let's move on to King Og out of the Bible, who is the last survivor of the Raphaides. And I take that as surviving the flood, because Raphaites are in the covenant land after the battle with Og in Seahon, and Goliath is a Raphaite, and I'll show that in my book as well.

So either the Bible is in contradiction, which I don't believe it is, or he somehow survives the flood. There's lots of accounts in Jewish mythology and other accounts how Aug survives the flood, but we don't have that in the Bible other than he shows up just as giants show up after the flood, and not told how that happens. But Ogg has a bed that is 13 feet long and made of metal. And it's made of metal because his weight was too heavy for wood and it would crush it. Right.

So I'd be made out of metal and iron. And secondly, it's said to be 13 feet long using a standard common cubit. But again, he was the king of. He was a royal, right? So that would put him 15 to 16. 16 feet tall for the bed or the size of the bed, so 14 to 15 feet tall for hog. So now we're expanding how big biblically that we can get a giant to, I think the original first generation was somewhere between 20 and 40 feet tall.

So these were monsters. And, you know, when they talked about bellowing like from the depths of atlases from the mountaintops, I think that's an accurate description of how these nephalum, the strength of their voice was and not only were they tall but they were not they weren't skinny they were they were muscular WWF type sort of build and so the average height to width ratio of a human is three to one but these were recorded in other sources as two to one so they were twice as why and these monsters were fleet of foot and very dexterous so they were the ideal archetypical warrior and of great size and lived to great ages.

And in fact, the first generation was immortal except the body isn't. And so that's when the body dies out, the spirit didn't go to sleep and it wasn't allowed to go to heaven. And that's the demons at Rome. So to answer your question, yeah, I think 20 to 30 feet, but a lot of people will say as high as 40 feet, but I'm thinking around 20 to 30 feet. That is incredible to consider 20 to 30 feet tall giants. The book, you mentioned the book of Enoch a couple times in Genesis 6, you know how they crept in humankind through women.

And the book of Enoch obviously breaks down how they crept in animals as well. In chapter 83 of your book, I thought it was really interesting to talk about legends from the island of Crete. And I think it's the bull of, is it Minos or Minos? Minos, yeah. Minos. Who was this hybrid bull type guy, creature, and how it was known to be a child-consuming cannibal like Molok. Yeah.

From the Bible that's referenced in the Old Testament was a man of the bulls that had who demanded child sacrifices. So kind of twofold, do you believe these mythological animals, half-animal human creatures, such as the Minotaur, Were they the creation of the fallen ones? And when we read about Mlick in the Bible, is it more than just this idol? Is it really this living hybrid? Yeah, that's such a good question.

And so, yes, I do believe that the gods, and in this case with the Minotaur, that's from Zeus, right? And just as I think some of the offspring, also mated to create some other interesting beings down the road. So yeah, I do believe that these gods did copulate with various animals to create a corruption of the earth. And if we look at that word corruption, I mean, it's literally about spoiling the earth, ruining the earth.

And I think they ruined the earth with DNA manipulation and through copulation right throughout the animal world and the genomes in the plant life as well. So that the whole earth was corrupted, just as the Bible says. And so, yeah, I do believe that. And there's so many of these other beings. Like you get the centaur as an example, right? Which is, again, out of Greek mythology, and that's half man and half horse.

And that's a union between Ixion and a cloud, which is rather odd in the mythology. But then we understand, again, Zeus being behind the scenes, just as he was with the men, account he creates a cloud in the image of Hira which is a goddess and so Xion which is a king has a union with this god and they create the centaurs and so again we have another parallel account and just as you know like with the cyclops you've got that being created by Uranus and Geia right and you have you know Pegasus which

is also the white horse and horse of Poseidon, right? And that comes through this really odd sort of creation, which is, again, a little bit different than just straight copulation. It's mingling Medusa's head with all of these snakes in her hair, right, with the ocean somehow and somehow with Uranus's severed testicles, which are thrown into the ocean by Kronos in the Titan Rebellion or the God's rebellion, and there's two different versions of that.

So I think all sorts of ways that they were perverting the earth. So the answer is yes. And so when you get that down to Molak, that is a bull cult, right? And where they sacrifice babies. And it's the Bal, and Molak is the son of Bal, and Bal, and Bal is the son of the morbid God, L. So we have this chain of events in terms of where we're talking about even some offspring producing more offspring in that sort of line.

And so Molek is third in that sort of account, which would be similar to if you look at what's going on, I guess that's kind of second account. I was going to say it's third account with the Minotaur. But again, a very, very similar account in terms of what's going on with the Greek account. And Molak, he is similar to the Minotaur this way as well, because you have the labyrinth in the Minotaur. account, right, which is a significant part of mysticism and polytheism as they're on their journey

to godhood, which is what that's symbolizing. But he puts them down, they imprison the minotaur in the labyrinth, and then they bring them babies and sacrifices continually to feed the minotaur. So you wonder whether or not this is sort of the Greek version of the creation of Mollack. And then you also have another being called a quintetor as it comes down to some of these secret societies, which again has the head of a bull. And so I think these things are all connected. And if you understand that some of these very strange and ugly beings were also rulers,

some of this starts to make sense. Just as if you get into the epic of Gilgamesh and you have Anki-Doo, murdering King Humbada in the Cedar Forest. I mean, this was a complete chimera of cross beings. It had, you know, feet of a vulture, and it had a tail that had the end that looked like a snake, and same with as phallus, and it had, I think, a lion's head, and the paws of another animal. Like, this is not uncommon. And the chimera is that sort of concept.

Then we have, you know, even in the Bible, you have the lion men of Moab that's after the flood at the time of David. And you wonder what that's all about. And you've got the satire or the goat, the goat demon god. And demons are related to nethylene. So were some of those nephalame like the pangod that had a goat or looked like azazial or whatever other variations of this goat god that you're talking about or demi-god? And I think this was rampant in that antediluvian epoch and all about the whole idea that the whole earth was corrupted. Amazing. And, you know, with the nature that you talk about the Nephilim having of, you know, just being very arrogant, prideful,

obviously similar to their father, Lucifer wanting worship, right? It would almost make sense in my mind that if they can shape shit, depth and take different forms, why wouldn't these fallen angels create some of these Nephilim to look like these gods to be worshipped and literally grow human babies at them? Sure. And let's also now connect back to how we started the interview. you. And so with these dinosaurs, whether or not they're before the renewal of the earth or in the six days of creation, when before the flood, we're now seeing depictions coming

out of science where these dinosaurs, which are basically a serpent-like being, just giant serpents, right, have feathers on them. And if you think about that in terms of, let's say, how Anunaki are depicted with wings of feathers. And the the plume serpent gods like Quetzocletal and Botan and all the different ones of Eircocca of Central America and North America. You understand that these are serpent-faced dragons, as we talked about earlier with feathers. Now you have a connection between how those gods are described with feathers and angelic and a connection to these Sorian beings that if they did rule a world before the rule newal of the earth or afterwards, that they would have created beings after their own image, right?

And when they went to the Nephilim, they're out to create another being after their own image. And they passed on those genes to look just like them. And you're right, they were hubris, they were violent. They wore, I mean, if they weren't removed in the numbers that they had grown to from the earth at the time of the flood, I mean, they would have destroyed the whole earth. There's no doubt about it, and it was completely corrupt.

They were not only warring with humans, they were warring with themselves. I mean, they couldn't get along with anybody, and they were consuming at such great rates that the humans couldn't feed them fast enough, the people that were enslaved underneath them. They started to eat them, and they started to drink their blood. And blood consumption is a significant part of that trait, which again is started at Babel by Nimrod, according to Secret Societies, whom Nimrod is their greatest patriarch and first grandmaster of the post-alluvian epoch,

but another rabbit hole to go down. And that's why we have these laws against not only cross-mating animals, but of drinking blood and eating animals that are sacrificed to, idols because these were laws were given to Israel because of what happened in the anti-Dulubian epoch. And so, yeah, these, these Nephilim were tyrants. And even in the polytheists accounts, even though they might start off as judicious, divine rulers with the divine right to rule, which the kings still like to utilize today

that they say they have, they become evil over time. and they account for that as the human form or part of their bodies corrupting the divine nature and they become totally evil and in the polytheist accounts it's a group of gods or angels that bring about the flood to start humankind anew wow in chapter 82 of your book you talk about Leviathan and that's a subject that's always enamored me and also confused me. And you state that biblical Leviathan was a creature that was possible more than 900 miles in length

with seven heads, over 300 eyes. So can you elaborate a little bit real quick on Leviathan? And was this a, you refer to Job, was this partly a creation again of the fallen angels mixing with animals, or was this something else going on? I think this is something else going on, and I think it's part of the angelic realm or the beings created by God. And so you don't get 900 miles out of the Bible, but there's so many sources out there on a Leviathan type of animal. And so that people know what I'm talking about, you know, it's equivalent to another name in the Bible called Rehab.

you also have AHA and Verta out of the betas. This is the same dragon animal of creation. You have Mitz Mids I struggle with the

Asgard one. Midgardzmer and Loramongadir out of the Asgard mythology. You have Tepu and Gucamets out of Patricia Maya and the Mistaks. You have Apop or Apophis out of the Egyptian mythology. These

started all talking about the same sort of dragon of creation and nahar timet lotan absu yam or other names out of babylonian mesopotanian ones and what's going on here is let me just back up a step in the and the multi-heads you get that out of um i'm trying to remember the uh the verse i think it's out of the uh the psalms where it crushes uh the the heads in plural uh and that psalm and that song I think 74 where Leviathan has multiple heads that are crushed by God. So we get accounts of this Leviathan that's exactly the same as this creation dragon out of other accounts. And there's two of them. And in Jewish mythology is as one is create, the female is killed as I recall so that it can't reproduce.

because again what it takes is so much energy or some type of nourishment that it would consume the world because it's so big. Okay, so what's going on here is whether or not it's Pangu out of China, you'll have a cosmic egg that comes out of this dragon that starts the creation process. I'm not saying this is biblical. I'm just saying that's how they utilize these creation. creation animals in other mythologies. And then whether or not it's Indra or it's Ba'al or it's Marduk or it's Ra or whomever is that, or it's you out of China, a god or an angel or a nephalum, depending on how you want to understand that, hits and crushes the head of this dragon and kills one of them and splits,

splits the head open and they separate it into two pieces, one becoming the sky and one becoming the earth and the creation process as we understand it in the day six creations. And this is very similar to what's going on in Genesis where God separates the water of the universe and the waters of the earth and the ground dries out and you get a creation. So you get a separation there.

And also we understand that God is the one who Christ, crushes this, and we take that that might be, you know, Yahweh or not Yahweh yet, but Jesus who crushes that, or it could be God, but more likely Jesus, who crushes this Leviathan in the creation process with Jesus being the Word, creating the heavens and earth at the command of God. So I look at all of these different things coming together, and we have a dragon that's somehow involved with creation that even the Bible is talking about. and perhaps God does use these type of beings in the creation process that has been lost over time.

It's a little bit of speculation, but it's hard to account for why the Bible is talking about, you know, multi-headed dragons or hydras, and, you know, they have scales. I mean, and every source you go to, this is a monstrous dragon that lives in the water or the abyss, and that could be the water of the universe or it could be the waters of the earth. We're not told which. So 900 miles at Carol Rose, who I used as a quote for in that book, and she has an encyclopedia of mythology from around the world. She uses that and brings together many accounts to come up with that 900 mile long dragon out of prehistory.

Wow. Sorry about the beeps here. I thought I turned on my Do Not Disturb. That's okay. So do your best to ignore that. I'm trying to turn that off. In your book, you talk about flying dragons a little bit, and you say in all likelihood they were a different form of prehistoric serpent.

In the spirit of their kin, the fallen angels. So do you believe dragons of Chinese lore, and I'm going to ask you about the dragons of the Middle Ages, the lore we hear about that, Do you believe there was flying dragon serpents during the Middle Ages and were these, what you were referencing earlier? Yeah, I mean, if you look at, again, when I talked about the Eden serpent, right? So if you imagine that before the limbs are taken off, that there's different variations of a serpent,

some of them would have had wings, and they're flying animals. and we wonder whether or not that somehow had the ability to have them survive the flood or not. Or this, you know, I think most of the birds, I think those, again, were accounted for on the arc. So, when wonders whether or not that's possible with this serpent surviving after the limbs being taken off and then you have the flood. So you've got a long time period. So I think the flying serpent dragon animal lived before Eden, no doubt about it, as it walked on two legs or it had wings and flu. I think that is a fairly easy deduction as to what a serpent was before Eden. But surviving into the Middle Ages with the issues of the logistics of what I just talked about,

it's possible but it's unlikely i don't know how they could fly long enough to not survive the flood so i think it's more of a as i talk about in my book and in a lot of shows i do is that polytheism keeps alive their history their genealogies and their bloodlines in how they write about these types of things throughout history and so this is a memory of that pre- eden serpent that they keep alive that's what i think that is in middle-age writing And most of those middle-aged writings were sponsored by the Templars and sponsors of the Templars, the royal families, who have an invested interest in keeping that imagery alive. You see dragons on all of their coat of arms. That's because they take themselves as their right to rule back to the gods and their genealogies back to the Nephalaman.

So they're going to keep that as part of their heritage. I really like that explanation. That makes a lot of sense. It's a memory of a pre-flood air. That's really good. When it comes to reports, you know, reports, you know, the Lachdus monster, for instance, or other creatures that supposedly have been seen in the present recently on Earth, do you think there's a connection that those are a watery-type beat to survive the flood and kept breeding?

or what's your take on that? Yeah, that's a good question. I think there's a lot of misinformation that's out there, a lot of misdirection. And in a misdirection that sort of, on one hand, discredits the idea of what happened in prehistory, but on the other hand, keeps the mythos alive. And so when you get into those dragon-like monsters

and serpent-like monsters like Nessi and other ones around the world because there's the Ogopogo and the Okanagan Lake and there's other ones around the world. I think those are more just to keep that memory alive again. But if you get into something maybe like Bigfoot, now you might be into something that is part of that sort of greater sort of mythological survival of some of these beings,

like the little beings. There might be a little bit more to that that not just a memory but actual survivors and again i mean the the bigfoot for example i mean they tend to live in caves just as caves are known as portals in occult mythology or a she as it is in um fairy mythology and you know these were these aren't super giant beings but they're greater beings and just as in the book of uh of yasher talks about ape-like beings that are created after the tower of babel again that's not biblical and But this could be to do with that or it could be doing with just that sort of greater Nephilim sort of concept.

And these are obviously intelligent beings because they're able to hide and get away, but maybe we can't find them because they do go through these portals. We don't know. That's all part of that Bigfoot mythology, but they're also hairy. And the reason why I bring that up, if you look at the Anunaki kings of Sumaria, they were hairy serpent-looking gods, right? and the nephalum were known as hairy creatures. And the Horites out of Saudi Arabia, known as the Malakites, as I connect them to in the book,

they were known as cave dwellers, and they were also hairy. So I wonder whether or not that greater nephalum concept of other beings with this sort of common denominator of hair gives it a little bit more legitimacy. But what I always say in regards to any of these beings, whether it's Bigfoot or it's Littlefoot or it's, little people who have to be very, very people or aliens of the misinformation that's being fed to us out there as well and how that's going to work for the end-time deception. So I'm open-minded to all of this, but I'm also very skeptical on it as well. And I kind of remain kind of agnostic. I find the connections interesting, and I love to research that.

But I remain open-ended on some of that stuff. but some of the wilder ones like Loch Ness Monster, and I think that's just keeping the, that's misinformation, keeping the ideology alive. And thanks for delving into that. In your book, you talk about how because of Numbers, chapter 13, verse 32, that we must conclude that the Nephilim survived the flood,

and you talk about how dark angels may have provided safe havens that were not on the face of the earth. So my question, I guess next would be, how might the Nephilim have survived the flood in these safe havens? What would that might have looked like? Yeah. So you really have about three different ways of Nephilim surviving the flood, just so. And I'll zero back in on your question as I get rid of the other two so that people know what we're talking about. One is on the arc somehow, right?

Either through the DNA of the wives, because we don't know who the wives really are scripturally, or as in the Gnostics believe that Ham was a giant, Tuval Cain was on, the archers as we saw in that last Noah movie, that's Gnostic doctrine, or all the sons were giants, or everybody was a giant on it. Or just as in the epic, Gilgamesh, I mean, not only is Gilgamesh a giant, two-thirds God and one-third human, Enkidu is as well as there's Upnepinor Zyazudra,

and he takes a whole family of archetypical giants to survive the flood, right? somehow on the ark is one sort of category. The second category would be second incursion. And what I mean by second incursion is, is fallen angels after the flood, recreating giants again. Or the third way is surviving on other arcs as like in the Gilgamesh epic, because he's worn by the gods seven days before the flood,

and I already talked about them as being giants, or in the Greek account with Ducalion and Pira. And of course, Ducalion is son of Prometheus. So whether Prometheus is Nephilim or a Titan god, he's still a Nephilim. It makes no difference. So you have all of these accounts around the world that are talking not about human survival on arcs, but of giant survival. And then you also have an account in Greek mythology about the Titan rebellion

where those rebellious giants are put into Tartarus, which is another translation for Abyss. And in a lot of accounts, that's how the giants come up out of the earth after the flood to repopulate the Middle East, because that's in Cythia, where Gog and Magog probably get their names from as they migrate in that direction,

and Gog and Magog are words in other languages for giant. And so, you know, You have that as a possibility. You have Amaka Seth as in the Gnostic religion where he's another form of Nephilim who's taken off world in a cloud and protected. You've got mythologies about references. And some people use some biblical references, but it's a little bit vague, in my opinion, about a hollow earth or going into the caves and surviving and in underground cities. And so, or maybe the gods just take them off earth. and protect them because what we're told in the Bible is that only I mean only what's destroyed

is what is on the earth right because of the water so if they're off the earth or protected from the surface of the earth then they could have survived but what we do know is is whether or not it's Raphaim or Anakim or Avim or Azeem or Amin or Zamzim and many other names of giants after the flood, these names do not go back to the table of nations in First Chronicles or in Genesis. But these were giants. And somehow they're there.

So we're not told how they survived the flood. So I lean towards second incursion and survival somehow, some way on another arc as the two most likeliest ones, but I also recognize the third one. And these giants that I'm talking about, intermarry with the descendants of Noah. So that's why Gog and Magog perhaps take on that name. Just as Amalekites probably isn't his name as he creates the greater Amalekite race,

he takes on a name of a giant that we can take back to the flood before the flood, and again non-biblical accounts. And just as the descendants of Canaan, they like all marry in with the giants around Sodom and Gomorrah and probably even with Nimrod, and descendants will marry in with them. There's many accounts of giants being involved with Babel as well. But certainly Sodom and Gomorrah is thought to be destroyed because that's where these Nephilim and the Gnostic traditions were replanted after the earth.

So either second incursion or populating with the descendants of Canaan to create Hittites, Hivites, Amarites, and all the different names associated out of Genesis areas, you see the descendants of Canaan. Wow, it's very interesting about that city and really makes you think about the story where God rained in the sulfur and took care of business. Yeah, yeah. And so the Gnostics believe that those were cities of light, cities of knowledge. The greatest cities of the post-Diluvian epoch were, again, the Nephilim were raining

and they were developing the seven sacred sciences. And so they look at God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah as an evil act against their belief system. Just as they would look at the dispersion of languages at Babel as an evil act of God, and as would they look at the flood as an evil act of God. Amazing. You mentioned it in your book somewhere about living giants were publicly viewed as spectacles and wonders in Rome. obviously Josephus talks a bunch about giants and stuff, but I guess, aside from Josephus, are there other sources that mention giants in Rome, and specifically, is there any record

of giants fighting like as gladiators in Rome? Yes, there are, and I'll cite those in my book just sort of quickly, but yes, there are many accounts of the historians noting a lot of the gladiators and fighters and other accounts of giants in other regions of the empire. So it's not an unknown concept in the Roman Empire. It actually was quite common. So off the top of my head, I'm not recalling specific accounts,

but I've got some references in the book, and I can send that to some people if they're looking for it after the show. But yeah, this was a common understanding of giants. And, you know, the understanding of giants, isn't a new idea. It's actually an old idea that has been suppressed. And at the age or the dawning of science and separation of church and state

and everything that was going on with the development of the Royal Society and the Reformation and things like that, is this idea of giants being created by angels or gods in the polytheist cults has been shoved under the table as the... don't want to talk about that, but it was standard doctrine before that. So it's almost like they're embarrassed to talk about it today. But I don't know why the church would be embarrassed to talk about it. It's in the Bible. But again, they're trying to suppress it.

And certainly whether or not it's Josephus, he understands that these are giants. And he records him as such. And he also records all these other historians talking about these giants as being actual and factual. And so it's just, as I say, it's more of a recent sort of resurgent that we're talking about these giants of old, but it's been there all the time. And I think the real story is, is why is it being suppressed? Absolutely. And it's amazing to me how many fellow believers I know friends, they literally have zero clue about Nephilim giants, that there was anything going on more than these are just an extra tall people.

And it's just shocking to see how well, I would call it a cover-up has been done. Yeah. Keep this truth out there. Obviously, there's a reason. And we don't have time to discuss that now, why I believe it's been covered. But it's just shocking to meet so many great believers that have no idea. Yeah. Absolutely.

A lot of people might ask, you know, what about the original church fathers, right? Well, certainly, before we get into the church fathers, you never heard any of the disciples or Jesus dismissing what was talked about in the Old Testament. They relied on it. And even to the point of taking one of the most difficult things to believe, if you're not a faithful Christian, is the Jonah story. And Jesus used the Jonah story of being three nights, days in the abyss. of the whale and into death as the sign for a wicked generation of who he was.

And so if that is just inaccurate or is just a mythology or is just an allegory, then you would say Jesus' resurrection is an allegory. But Jesus was a literalist, right? I mean, he understood things literally and used that for the literal demonstration of the resurrection and after the crucifixion. And all of the church fathers were literals. And that was one of the biggest sort of shisms going on with the Christianity that was forming was the literal translation of the Catholic Church.

And their understanding of it at the beginning as it comes down through the church fathers to a more interpretive version, which the Gnostics and the polytheists have. And so, yes, all of the church fathers took the Bible as it was written, in the in the Old Testament literally. And in that case, it's really hard to deny

that they did not believe that giants existed before the flood and afterwards, obviously. Right. Fritz Zimmerman has written a couple books, written a couple books about

giants in the Ohio Valley and giant bone discovered. He really makes a compelling argument in his books about how what mainstarchiology calls, you know, Neanderthal skulls and bones that have been found or the cromagnum types,

how these are actually the bones and giants of these, you know, nephalium discovered. So I just wanted to get your take on that. Do you think that's, what you thought on that connection? Yeah, so

it's hard to, understand that the nephalum as being crow magnum, I'm not sure that those bones are big enough to accommodate the size of what the giants were, because even at the time of, you know, a thousand BC or shortly thereafter, you know, Goliath is very large, and we've got 10, 11-foot giants in the time of Rome. So I'm not sure they're quite big enough. But what I do know is, is that the giant skeletons that are being found in North America are not as ancient as some of these giants that I'm talking about, right? So they're more recent deaths to them. And so that size could have been diluted and diminished over time.

So if that's the case, yes, but I mean, Crow Magnum and Neanderthal excavations tend to have a lot older age. So I'm having a trouble matching that up because you don't have nephlam being created until about 3,400 BC according to the Bible. So again, I'm having problems with that chronology. But I'm not going to dismiss the discoveries that are being found in North America about some of their and recorded history in the newspaper articles through 1850s to the 1950s describing these giants of 8 feet, 7 feet, 9 feet, 10 feet tall. And what's interesting about it is they have red hair, just as the proving elongated skulls have red hair. And if you remember, I said they had two different color of hair. They had red or blonde, according as it comes out of mythologies.

And it's interesting that these ones have red hair. So I do find that there's a lot of credibility in the discoveries of these giant skeletons in North America. I'm not there on connecting them to, you know, and or chromagnum because I think that's diminishing the giants in terms of its size, which has been going on all the time, is how do you make these both from big to small or normal? You mentioned, you know, the elongated skulls in Peru. I've lit some stuff about recent DNA testing analysis that verifies.

Some of those specific skulls could not have just been elongated through crud. cranial deformation, because the cranial volume is still 25% larger and 60% heavier than conventional skulls. And it appears from the skulls when you look at them that they weren't maybe 10 foot tall creatures or humans, but definitely they look like genetic anomalies, correct? Yes, yes. And so, again, as we talked about just a few minutes ago, as you get a dilution of the bloodline. and you get more human bloodlines and DNA and you get closer to the size of humans over time.

And so if you bind a head, I mean, you can create, and they did this in history for the priests and things like that so they could emulate the kings and the gods to create that elongated serpentine look. But as you say, binding does not create a larger volume. You can't create a larger volume of cranial just by binding. So it can't be man-made.

So this is more again, almost in that alien sort of ideology of that enlargent cone head for a lack of another term, that is probably more likely. And if you go into Egyptian reliefs and archaeology, you have a significant amount of these elongated skulls

recorded in reliefs or in statues. You know, the Akhenotan Tutankhamun, museums are loaded with these elongated skulls. These are distinct and unique. I'm not sure I've heard yet what the DNA samples are telling us in terms of who these people connect themselves back to, but I'm sure they're probably finding some surprises in that DNA. Interesting. I just saw a picture the other day in one of these Facebook groups.

somebody was at, I think it was on the Canary Islands, and had taken pictures of a museum there and there was, the case was full of elongated skulls just like you'd see in Peru. It was pretty fascinating. Yeah. You know, when you go into the Mediterranean, whether it's around Santerini or Crete or any of those islands, they've got elongated skulls. And there's pictures of them on display, you know, 50, 100 years ago, but they were, won't bring them out for display today and they've got huge cranial heads.

One other question, you talk about, you state in your book that completely different nephalon bone structure may explain why contrived scientific investigations, discount fossil bones attributed to giants as possibly but not conclusively being assigned to mastodons or mammoths. Yeah. So are you saying that, man, some of these mammoth bones that are found in Alaska, and Siberia really could be maybe the bones of giants. That's what some of the rogue archaeologists are saying, and that they find these bones.

They can't attribute it to the mastodon, but it's too big for a human. So they just either ignore them or assign them to mastodon, and it happens sort of over and over and over and over. and just as with some excavations of the little people, smaller people in North America, they just get shuttled away and hidden in the Smithsonian. And again, there are archaeologists that are on record of saying, I've made these discrepancies, they won't publish them,

and everything gets taken away and hidden. So I think there's an ongoing suppression of this idea. and I know that gets into conspiracy theories, but I think they're trying to control the information. I really do. I think they'll deal with the information when they're ready to in the end time as part of the deception, but in the meantime, they're going to suppress it because if you all of a sudden open up this whole idea that the whole earth history is completely different than what they've been

brainwashing us with, I mean, you're going to have a revolution on your. their hands. Yeah, that's for sure. So all over the earth we see these incredible megalithic sites and that's one of my favorite things to study in photograph, you know, from the walls in and around Kusko, Peru, obviously the pyramids, Stonehenge, I mean, all over. Do you believe these are obvious Nephilim architecture or what, what sites, I guess one question I want to ask to you, what megalithic site do you believe is like the most obvious pre-flood

work? Oh, I think Machu Picchu and the pyramids. Those would be the most common ones and also would throw in their megalistic sites like Stonehenge where you take in all of the astronomical

parts as well and the weight of the rocks, but from a technology perspective I look at Machu Picchu. I mean, we can't do that masonry today, let alone how do you get it up to the top of a mountain and the exacting measurements at the pyramids and with sacred geometry that goes all the way throughout. And I just look at those and I know again we get this information, misinformation that these were done after the flood. but that's not what the natives will tell you and that's not what the religions will tell you

and you know you've got Mesopotamian reliefs and you've got other archaeology evidence that shows the pyramids that date well before Chepra and Kufu I think you know that really was a renovation that they did in fact they're predating that well back into before 3,000 BC with some of that evidence depicting these pyramids before, right, that they can date it to. And then if you get back into other possibilities, I mean, sometimes they might even go to 10,000 BC with the alignments and the water erosion that's on the pyramids. And so there's two schools of thought on this as this comes down is, is pathologies

and other religions will tell you that all of the great cities were built. by the gods and then they took them over and then you have another seemingly period where you have an education of the humans and they're creating buildings and monuments that are going to stand the test of time as a testimony to the pre-flood and levels of society that was before the flood to honor the gods right and so they're taught that and i think there's a little bit of both that because some of these ones go back into the midst of time. And so I think it's both. And it goes to the seven sciences that the occult societies like to talk about.

And the fifth science is called geometry, but inside the craft or Freemasonry or the secret societies, that's called masonry, right? That's the art of building, like in the pyramids, to honor their pantheon of gods. And that's why pyramids are so important to occultic and secret society, imagery, and iconology, because they believe the knowledge that Enoch, son of Kane, passed on, these are Freemasons, and Enoch is one of the greatest patriarchs. The knowledge he developed, and they developed by Enoch and the descendants, was able to build the pyramids. That's their belief.

And there's lots of evidence out there, and I put some of it in the book. whether it's true or not, it's what they believe. And those are the ones who run science. So which is the misinformation? Yeah. Wow. I guess two more questions before we call it. You know, Josephus, obviously, he's mentioned a lot.

You mentioned him a lot in the book, and he's got some amazing giant quotes. Beyond Josephus and like the book of Enoch and the book of Giant. and that obviously the Bible. What other ancient historians or early church fathers speak of Nephilim and the giants? Yeah. So, I mean, Pliny out of Rome would be one. Herodotus is another one. And you've got Tutulian as a church father.

Strabo is another one. There's other. I'm not convinced Tacitus does. No, it's not put Tacitus. I don't remember seeing one in there from him. But there's certainly a few in there. I mean, but seemingly, and according to Josephus, all of the ancient historians recorded it as fact, right?

Wow. And, you know, the Plato one, again, you've got people, and I'll talk about it in the book, about people who are supporting afterwards that the story of Solon going to say is about the Atlantic, that's a story, which is again about Titans and Giants, is fact. It's not just a fable. So, yeah, Lotz, and Plutarch is another one that would talk about the giants.

And again, even though some of these ones will talk about two levels, one that goes back that are fables and mysteries, at the point afterwards, you have still surviving giants that they're going to document. Speaking of still surviving giants, that's a great segue, my last question. researchers like Steve Quayle and L.A. Marzuli have recently been sharing these mind-bending reports of what they say are very credible military sources of how the U.S. military has basically seen, killed, and captured living giants over in Iraq, at least two different locations when our military was over there, you know, doing the right? regular duties came across these giants and caves. What are your, do you, do you think there could actually be living giants, you know, Nephilim left on the earth as these reports would indicate?

Yeah, and these reports are rather interesting. First of all is that, you know, in the size and the descriptions that they give of these giants are very, very similar to what I speculate, putting things together in my book as to the size and what they would look like today. They just don't have the serpent face. So they're not like 20-foot giants, but they're probably Goliath-type range, you know, and, you know, 1,500 to 1,500 pounds. It's still a very, very large giant. And another interesting thing is about what they're talking about.

They're living in caves and hiding in caves, just as we talked about the Horrites and other beings that seem to be related to the flood and its survival, we're hiding out in caves. So all of that, and I listened to the interview of the Afghan report on the radio on coast to coast, and it sounds credible, and it certainly is possible. But again, I'd like to take that leap, but it just falls short of quite enough that it could still be misinformation. But it's inside information feeding misinformation. So even within side of that, there's too much there to ignore as just to throw it all away. They're basing it on something. So I think there's something to that.

And I also believe as we get closer to the end time, it's going to be like the days of Noah. And I believe that includes all of the days of Noah. I know some people like to narrow that down. But Noah was alive when the giants were created in the sixth generation of Jared that has talked about. And the flood story, which is directly connected to Noah, is the days of Noah as it's recorded in the Bible. And Noah also lived 350 years after the flood. So you've got Babold, Sodom, Gomorrah, and giant survival. So I think this is going to become more and more predominant.

And as I say, I think they're controlling the information and they're preparing us for what they're going to reveal between history, giants, and whatever is going on with, the aliens in the end time. But watch out. It's for deception. Well, Gary, thank you so much for taking the time to come on and interview with me today. It's been an honor. Love your book. To those watching, you've got to go to Genesis 6 Conspiracy.com.

That's Genesis 6 Conspiracy.com. Six with the number six. to learn more about Gary, learn more about his book. You can buy his book there on his website. He's got links to Amazon as well, but if you buy it from him, you can get an autograph copy, I believe. And you can also connect with Gary on social media. He's on Facebook.

He's got a Facebook page, I think two Facebook pages, just Gary Wayne, and then follow him on Twitter as well at Gary Wayne 63, G-A-R-Y-W-A-Y-N-E-63. Is that right? That's correct. Thank you. Gary, it's been a pleasure, man. And again, thank you for writing that book.

And I can't even, I don't even want to ask how many hours that took you to write. It took a while. Let me put it that way. And I took 25% out of the book just to get it down to get it published because I knew it was too large to be published. Wow, well, thank you for your research. And I've really enjoyed it and just love listening to you. And thank you for being so accessible.

Well, thank you. And hopefully what we talked about, the audience will maybe think about and maybe start doing a little bit more research on their own because that's what I'm trying to do is just get information out and connect dots and to get people to revisit and question some of the misinformation that's coming at us all of the time. and really start out what's going on. I love it.

Well, thank you, Gary, and I hope to do this again soon, some time in the future. Thank you.