Megalithic Marvels - Timothy Alberino: Megalithic Technology & Giants of Peru

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

Derek Olson interviews explorer, film-maker & author Timothy Alberino regarding the megalithic technologies of Peru and the oral traditions & writing from Spanish chroniclers concerning an ancient race of giants that they say once inhabited this mysterious land.    See the prequel to this interview "gods of the Golden Age" with Timothy here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jqu9hp6JBA Subscribe to Megalithic Marvels on Youtube here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpiP...   Follow Megalithic Marvels on the following platforms:  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/megalithicm...  Blog - https://megalithicmarvels.com/​​​​   Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/megalithicma...   TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@megalithicmarvels Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/10186...  Twitter - https://twitter.com/MegMarvels​​    Music: "Pulsing Sweep" is licensed by iMovie & "Away" by Patrick Patrikios is licensed by Youtube   Opening video by Google Earth Video interview made possible by Zoom   The views expressed here are opinions only. Use the information found in these videos as a starting point for conducting your own research.  Fair Use Notice: This video may contain some copyrighted material whose use has not been authorized by the copyright owners. We believe that this not-for-profit, educational, and/or or commentary use on the Web constitutes a fair use of the copyrighted material (as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use this copyrighted material for purposes that go beyond fair use, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

Well, I'm excited to be joined by Timothy Alvarino. Timothy is an explorer and researcher. He's also the author of the new book, Birthright. Timothy, thanks so much for joining me on Megalithic Marbles. I'm very happy to be here with you. You live just so people to know in Peru for several years, it sounds like. So two things. I want to know, do you have a favorite megalithic site in Peru?

One, and then in your documentary film series, True Legends, Technology, The Fallen, You share a myriad of accounts that you found from Spanish chroniclers documenting the existence of giant skeleton bones that were seen in Peru. I mean, there's so many, either all these guys were lying or there's something to it. If we talk about the most exquisite walls that I've ever seen in my life, that's Ojante Tambo. So in terms of the sheer precision of the megalithic walls, Ojante Tambo is my favorite site. but if you talk about just the jaw-dropping enormity of the megaliths it sucks iwaman and if you talk about just the just the picturesque beauty of the site it's machapitu so um really

that's how i would divide those that's how i would determine that so if we're just talking about like I said, just the jaw-dropping. If you've never seen a megalithic wall and you want to be absolutely stunned, go to Soxai Woman. Go to Soxai Woman in Kusko. If you've never seen a megalithic wall, you will be picking your jaw up off the floor.

I don't know if you've ever been to Soxai Woman, but it's just to be up close. Because a lot of the pictures that you see of Soxai Waman are distant, right? Because people want to capture the whole wall. You don't really realize how friggin' big those walls are. I remember doing a Google image search of ancient sites. And for the first time ever, I saw a photograph of Soxaywoman, the walls.

And just thinking critically, I knew this was special. Like, this is more incredible than any other ancient ruin I've ever seen. And my next thought was, why have I never seen this before? Let me make one more comment about Soxai Waman. It's important to recognize that Soxai Waman was probably twice the same. size in terms of the height of the walls during the time of the conquest and then it is now. Imagine that. That's just even just mind-blower.

In certain parts of Machupecia, you have the Inca, that clear Inca. This was old. You can tell it was there for a long time. This was not reconstruction because there's lots of stuff on top of it. And you can see where the megalithic stones literally just end. And it's not a nice, like a nice, even layer of megalits. It's like, it looks like it was just like a ruined wall, right? And then somebody came in and just filled it in.

And why would the Inca do that? If this site was so Machupechu, if it was so sacred to the Inca and it was, why would they not rebuild the walls using, let's say they built the, let's say the Inca did build the Megalithic foundations. Why would they stop? and then use smaller stones to repair them. Who does that? If it was so easy for you to build this thing,

just repair it with the big megalithic stones. But that's never the case. Ever, never the case. You always see the repair jobs done with inferior skill. Smaller stones, inferior skill. And it doesn't make any sense. We wouldn't do that. And they wouldn't do that.

It's not intuitive. and it's not practical. And by the way, and I think this is surely something you're very aware of in your audience, the most impressive feature of megaliths, true megaliths, is not the size of the stones. Large megalithic stones can be moved by primitive people. They can.

And they are, even to this day. They can. And in precisely the manner that archaeologists say, you can move a huge stone with ropes and sleds and lots of people, lots of manpower. You can. They're doing it in India today. They're still doing it in ceremonial stuff. You can see it on YouTube. However, that's not the thing that's most impressive about megaliths. Cutting the stone and assembling the stones the way that they do, that's now you're talking, now you're not just talking about dragging something heavy.

Now you're talking about mathematics. Now you're talking about engineering. Now you're talking about science, dragging a stone through the woods on a sled. There's very little knowledge involved in that. But when you start to erect these stones and build things with them,

then you're operating on a level like, you know, that it took a long time for the Greeks and the Romans to figure out how to do this. And they weren't even really working with the size stones that are like in the walls of Saxe-Waman,

for example. In some cases, the Romans were incredible. They really were. They were amazing builders. But the point is this, none of that, what I just mentioned, is really the thing that is most astounding about megaliths. What is most astounding about the megaliths, what the Romans could not rival, what the Greeks could not rival, didn't even come close, is the anti-seismic properties of those walls. Forget it.

The Roman stuff falls down in earthquakes and has and always has to be repaired. The Greek stuff has through the ages crumbled and fallen and dilapidated because of earthquakes and so forth and floods and things. But when you are standing in front of a truly megalithic wall that is still pretty much intact. And remember, these walls are always going to be subject to people coming and taking the smaller portions off to build other things, right? They're always going to repurpose the walls. Whatever cultures around is going to come over, they want to build a wall, you know, around their, around their field, right? What are they going to do? Are they going to go quarry new stones? No, they're going to go over to that megalithic building over there, megalithic complex, and they're going

to find the stones that are manageable and they're going to take them away. So all that you're going to be left with are the stones that are unmanageable, right? When you look at these stones, large portions of these walls are still standing today, like Soxaywaman. They're built on a precise inclination, they are so well fitted together that it's apparent that they have withstood hundreds, if not thousands of years of extreme seismic activity, like Kusko. In Kusko, you have in the city of Kusko, walk through the streets of Kusko, you're going to see at least three different kinds of construction. You're going to see, aside from the modern construction. You're going to see the Inca. You're going to see their stuff. You're going to see the

Spanish who we purposed a lot of the Inca stuff. And you're going to see something far more impressive than either of those. I mean, amazing. For example, in the Roca Temple near the plaza, you're going to see amazing megalithic constructions. And Kusko has been subject to really violent seismic activity for a long time. In fact, we have in the historical records routinely massive earthquakes hitting periodically hitting Kusko and knocking down the cathedrals, right? Leveling the cathedrals, leveling the Inca palaces. But guess what doesn't fall? The megalithic walls are not moved. Why? Because they were specifically designed to withstand seismic perturbations of the earth.

They were designed to flex, to sway with seismic waves. And everything else around them just breaks apart and falls down. That is technology. That is knowledge. That is ancient knowledge that is ancient knowledge that even surpasses our ability today to build stone walls. And we can build skyscrapers and stuff. I'm talking about masonry, stone, to build stone walls that would last that long,

subject to that much, subject to that much seismic activity and yet still pristine. That's what we need to think about when we look at these megaliths. You know, size of the stones, yeah, that's impressive. The way they're cut and configured, even more impressive. but the seismic, the anti-seismic capabilities, the technology involved to make these walls anti-sysmic, the knowledge, that is where I think we should be most impressed when we're looking at these walls.

So tell us a little bit about these Spanish chronicles talking about Peruvian giants. Because, again, everybody will talk about the megalis of Peru, but you don't hear many people talking about these tales of giants. The Inca had their own legends and stuff because they were kind of presenting themselves as the superior culture among the other natives, the Inca. So you have the Inca who create their own mythology regarding themselves. But then you have all of the other tribes around them who have a different mythology. And I think a much older mythology than the Inca.

These are the IMAida, the Aymada people, the Aymada people up in near Lake Titicaca, in the Bolivia, and Peru up near Lake Titicaca. Very ancient people, the Aymada people. And then you have the, then you have, of course, the Ketuan people who were in a lot of the other parts of Peru, you know, especially northern from Kusko going north. You have a lot of Ketuan people. So you have the Aymata people and the Ketua people. and even to this day, these two groups of people are very connected to their roots. They still speak their own language. In some cases, there's communities that I've been in,

Aymara communities near Lake Dikaka, where they don't speak Spanish. They only speak Aymara. That's it. And there's Ketuan communities like that. They only speak Ketuan. They don't speak a lick of Spanish. So they're very connected to their roots. And they still maintain, even to this day, that the megaluechian communities, that the me

Megaliths were built by giants. If you talk to, you know, the Inca really didn't have commentary on the megaliths. You don't really find commentary. They don't say, we built them or the Inca believe, although there is commentary on Tijuanaaku in Bolivia. Tijuanau was believed to be built by the gods or the giant offspring of the gods,

a demigods, the cyclopees, right? The cyclopees. So the Aymada people and the Ketuan people, people, their mythologies always referenced giants. The Inca also have mythologies concerning giants. They believe that the first race that was created by Biracotcha were giants, and that those giants were destroyed in a flood. But the Aymata believe that the megaliths were built by giants.

The Ketuins believe that the megalith were built by giants, the offspring of the gods. in fact in the records the chronicles now understand that when i reference the chronicles i am talking about the same chroniclers that the history of peru that that prescott for example who wrote the conquest of peru phenomenal book never read phenomenal he used these chronicles to write the the history of peru and this is still the definitive of history approved today, the conquest approved by Prescott. Prescott was using the same materials that I used in my documentary film, the first one, Technology of the Fallen, to citing the commentary by the chroniclers, by the conquistadors and chroniclers concerning the bones of

giants and what the natives believed about the giants and what the chroniclers and the conquistadors encountered themselves and there's just amazing stuff in there so understand that in between the historical portions that we have in in the classics like prescott and even in our modern test books in between those historical portions concerning the conquest of peru what you don't realize is that there's portions that have been excised that talk about giants from the same document. And that makes sense because the purpose of the chroniclers was not to chronicle the history of giants,

but the conquest of Peru, right? So they would overlook certain aspects that were not as important. I mean, the historians, the historians who were working from the material of the chroniclers, from the chronicles. Their Prescott wasn't interested in talking about giants. He was interested in talking about the conquest of Peru.

So it's natural that he would probably be befuddled by these accounts of giants. They had nothing to do with his history. So that's why he would skip over them. But they're there. They're there because, well, I've seen them and I've read them. And I've read them in old Spanish. And I was working with a pretty famous archaeologist in Peru.

I can't remember his first name. His last name is De La Vega. And he was, we were talking about the Chronicles, as they relate to tales of giants. And he was familiar with the fact that the chroniclers did have actually a lot of commentary about giants, but he had never actually gone in and done a study himself. So the following day after our conversation, he came over to me, over to the hotel, and he met with me and he was very excited to hand me this CD, this CD,

this like a DVD-type CD. And he said, after our conversation, I went back into the Chronicles and I did a search and I found and I looked for these references to giants and he said, I can't believe how many there are. I never realized how many references to giants there were in the in the chronicles. And he said, so what I've done is I've highlighted just some of them for you. I highlighted them because you only did it, you know, the night before. I highlighted them some of them here so that you can take a look. And it turns out that there are. dozens and dozens of references of not just mythology relating to giants from native mythology of the giants, indigenous stories related to giants, but actual accounts from the conquistadors and the chroniclers of not only finding the bones of giants, but the bodies of giants. And, you know, the first thing that people would say, well, they were mistaking dinosaurs for giants or giant sloths for giants or whatever probably in some cases perhaps but when you get when you have stories when you have these these records in the chronicles where you have the bones

of giants being discovered with jewelry bracelets things that things of that nature on the skeletons last time i checked dinosaurs didn't wear bracelets bracelets. Giant sloths didn't wear necklaces. They weren't buried in sarcophagi, right? I don't know of any dinosaurs that have ever been discovered buried, I mean, encased inside of a casket, a stone casket. Obviously, we're not talking about a giant sloth here. And it gets even more detailed than that. because in one case, the chroniclers talk about, I forget which chronicle it is. I have all this in the first documentary film.

But there's a particular story in which Pissarro, Francisco Pissarro, the conqueror of Peru, was riding across the landscape, I believe he was heading north from Cusco, with a company of conquistador, Spaniards. and they came across the body of a giant, the remains of a giant, skeletal remains of a giant that had been unearthed

on the bank of a river. So in other words, the river washed it away. And they described that it, like a sarcophagus, right? And then this body that had dumped out of a sarcophagus and they said it was so large that they took their rapier swords and they stuck it through. the eye socket, the skeletal eye socket, the cranial eye socket, and that it was so large,

the head was so large that they were able to sink their rapier all the way into the head so that the hilt of their swords touched the eye socket before the point of the blade touched the back of the cranium. You know, I mean, rapiers were, they buried in length, but they were not short. Rapiers were not like that. They were pretty long swords. So you're talking about, massive skeletal remains that these guys are are reporting that they've that they've discovered in many cases too many different stories one of my favorite is and again i can't remember exactly i want to say um aryaga uh that this comes from aryaga's account is chronicle that there was a there was a there was a there was a situation in peru after the conquest in which the emissary

of the Catholic Church, the priests and the bishops and so forth, were going through the territory, the territory that was the territory of the Inca and the native tribes in general after the conquest, is post-conquest. And they had a mission. Their mission was to extirpate idolatry among the natives. And extirpate means exterminate,

to get rid of the idolatry among the natives, and in many cases, to forcefully convert them to Christianity, to Catholicism. And so you have these priests, but the priests, these Catholic priests were not going through the countryside by themselves. They were accompanied by, at least in Ariaga's case, they were accompanied by what were called the visitadores, the visitors. And the visitadores were official representations of the Spanish crown who were in Peru. So you had the, you had the Catholic priests, the Spanish Catholic priests, and you had representatives from the crown, royal representatives.

These people were representing the king of Spain. And one of the reasons why they were there was because the Spanish had a system worked out with the conquistadors all over the new world that a fifth, one fifth. It was called the royal fifth. One fifth of the treasure that they found went back to Spain to the king, the crown. It was called the royal fifth. And so you have the Bici Tadores there, accompanying the priests on this mission to extirpate idolatry and to make sure that a fifth of the treasure, gold, the golden idols and so forth,

a fifth of it goes back to the crown. So this is a very practical mission that we're talking about. And these guys, and the Bicittadores were taking official records as they went along. And so right in the midst of this operation, you have this. several stories, but you have this one, my favorite story, is that they came upon as they were extirpating idolatry, going from village to village. So the modus operandi would be,

they would get to the village, they would find out what the people were worshipping, what were their idols, they would gather their idols. If they were wooden, they'd burn them. If they were metal, they'd melt them down.

Obviously, if they were gold, they'd melt them down and take the gold. But whatever the natives were worshipping, they were going to destroy. They were extirpating idolatry. So we're looking for the idols. And so there's this one story where they came into a village and they inquired as to what the idols, what were the gods, where were the idols? And they found out that this particular tribe of natives, community of natives, were worshipping something in a cave.

And so they went into the cave to go and get these idols, whatever they were worshipping in the cave. And when they entered the cave, they record that there were a lot of dead Gentiles. laying around. So human sacrifice, right? So you have all these dead Gentiles, so dead natives laying around. And they were shocked to discover that the natives were not worshipping, you know, some totem pole or something. But instead, they were worshipping the bodies, the carcasses of giants, giant humanoids that were that were erected in this cave and dressed. in cumbia it says. Cumbia is a ceremonial cloth,

like the royal ceremonial cloth that the Inca would wear in the natives. So they had dressed these, the corpses of these giants or skeletal remains of these giants in cumbia, and they were worshipping them. And it says that the giant's heads were deformed. And the way that they describe it,

it seems to me that they were elongated. And so, and they say, Ariaga says that, again, I believe it was Ariaga, says that they were six times the size of a normal man. And so, what did they do? They took the bodies out of the cave and they burned them in the village. And this is all recorded. It's all recorded right there in the Chronicles. So you can believe, if you want, that they were worshipping the bones of a velociraptor or of a giant sloth. But I tend to think that these ancient people were not as stupid as we think they were, they were very much acquainted

with death, much more than we are, very much acquainted with anatomy in a way that we aren't. And we're scientifically acquainted with anatomy, but they were actually dealing with dead bodies. They were actually burying bones and handling things much more than we are. So the notion that they would be mistaken, that they would mistake a human skull for like a dinosaur skull, a tyrannosaurus rex. I think he's a little far-fetched. Possibly a giant sloth, but there are so many accounts of giants. And this is just two out of many, dozens of accounts of giants. And living giants, giants that the stories of giants that the natives told, just the chronicles, believe me, are replete with stories of giants. most people have no idea.

So if the chronicles of the Inca, right, of the conquest of Peru are replete with stories of giants and encountering bones and stuff, I'm going to guess that the chronicles of other ancient cultures, insofar as we have them, are also replete with such stories, or were at one time, because it's not unique to Peru. But it just so happens that the chronicles, the Spanish chronicles are, no one ever goes looking for stories of giants in there. And so you never hear about them.

In fact, I might be the first person ever to publish some of those stories. Right out of the Chronicles, not out of a book that somebody wrote out of the Chronicles. I was reading the Chronicles, and especially the excerpts that were given to me by the archaeologist in Peru. And he went into the archives, the digital archives of the Chronicles. and you don't copy them right out of there. So, you know, people can believe what they want. And that's just one little, you know, those are just little anecdotes from one,

one very narrow topic, you know, specifically the chronicles of Peru. But you can find anecdotal evidence of giants everywhere all over the earth. And so, you know, a lot of it, yes, a lot of it. hoaxes like in the United States in the in the 19th century there was a lot of hoaxing going on about a lot of things sure but not all of it not all of it and uh timothy man thanks so much for your time

today this has been a fascinating interview so to everybody watching or listening go to timothy alberino com and you can find links to his new book birthright yeah well again i appreciate you having me on and uh by the way people can also my books on amazon you go right to amazon.com just type in birthright in my name and you'll see it. But yeah, this is this is really fun and, you know, it'd be great to come back and we, there's so many more topics that we could dive into. I think we only got to about half my topics,

but this will definitely just keep you on hook for another interview. So thanks again, man. Thank you.