Megalithic Marvels - Unearthing the Secrets of the Lost Ararat Civilization / Matthew LaCroix

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

In this exclusive interview I am joined by ancient history researcher and author Matthew LaCroix. Matthew has written such books as "The Stage of Time" and recently co-authored "The Epic of Humanity." In this insightful episode, Matthew shares his in depth research regarding recent archaeological discoveries around and deep below Lake Van in eastern Turkey that he believes will change the world. Through his intense study of cuneiform texts and analyzing ice-core data, Matthew believes that scientific evidence can prove that lost civilizations once existed before the Younger Dryas event some 12,800 years ago and that our ancient history timeline may go back some 200,000-years FOLLOW MATTHEW HERE: https://www.youtube.com/@MatthewLaCroix https://thestageoftime.com JOIN US FOR ONE OF OUR 2024 TOURS HERE: https://stargatevoyager.com/tours/GET ALL YOUR TRAVEL/ VIDEO GEAR DEALS ⁠HERE: https://www.amazon.com/shop/ancientexpedition?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_aipsfshop_aipsfancientexpedition_X2YD8JTHKQNC6ZZXCK94&language=en_US FOLLOW ME HERE: Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpiPhZVveHua0fcikxo8wmQ Blog: https://stargatevoyager.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stargatevoyager/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@stargatevoyagerX/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/derek__olson Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ancientexpedition/

Stargate Voyager. Well, I am super excited to be joined by a very special guest on this episode. I'm joined by ancient history researcher, author, and co-author of the new book, The Epoch of Humanity. Matt LaCroix, thanks for joining me, my friend. Thank you so much, Derek. I've had a long time of watching and observing and both having such incredible work together that aligns in that parallel way.

So it's an honor to work with you, my friend. What I love about Stargate Voyager podcast is we seem to have such a wide variety of listeners and viewers from all over the spectrum. And I feel like part of the success of this show is just, it's always been me asking a lot of questions. Not that I'm an expert, but I love asking questions and bringing on guests from all different worldviews. And I've loved seeing some of your research that's been coming out. I know you've been on, I believe it was Gaia TV for a while. Now you're, it sounds like you're transitioning into your own project, but excited to have you. And I wanted to start out by asking you, I just shared this photo on my social media channels that you had posted, I think, on your Facebook that showed the Orion Belt.

Yeah. And underneath it was showing the great pyramids and then the Tio Tabocon Pyramids. And if you're watching on video on Spotify or YouTube, you're going to see these photos. pop up. But tell us a little bit about that. Let's just jump in there with the cosmic cosmology between the ancient history ruins on Earth and what we see like in Orion. Yeah, that's a great place to start. We're just going to like jump right in. I love that. To me, the further I've gone down this journey of ancient history, studying every aspect of what I consider, if we were to separate recent history, and I mean recent as in the last 6,000 years, what I'm really looking at and

focusing on, and I know most of your work is as well, is that earlier time period, that gap, that all of a sudden something happened before and we have all these incredible things around the world, and we're trying to prove that narrative. And there's not a better place to start, really. I mean, if you want to talk about the grandeur of it all than ancient Egypt, as well as Tawatiywa Khan, when I was looking into those, and I was reading amazing, amazing researchers like Robert Bavall, John Anthony West, because they're the ones that really helped solidify with others, these cosmic connections with these what are called air shafts in the Great Pyramid of Giza. And I know you're well aware. The queen and the king's chamber, as they're called, right, the king's chamber being more of a masculine energy is focused on looking at Orion. And then the queen's chamber, being feminine is looking at serious. So the first connection is interesting there. And you say, well, when did they align to those stars? And that's where the whole, one of the whole conversations

got started with how old the pyramids are based on their alignments of those stars, based on the procession of the equinox. Because they don't just point there all the time. It would be very specific points in history where they would align to that. But that was only the beginning of it. And again, this is, this has been echoed by many other researchers. And I'm just discussing the depth of how far it goes. But what's beautiful about that is you have these star alignments with these different shafts within it, right, that we, that are calling air shafts, but we truly, there were some kind of an energetic connection with the stars. But then there's this whole other concept. And there's this concept that is known in hermeticism as the law of correspondence, right?

This concept of as above so below and creating a synergy between them. And the more that you really look at ancient civilizations, the more that you understand their ancient text, why they built the things they did, where they built the things they did, and how they built the things they did, what stones they use, what kind of vibrational frequency were they looking at, what kind of minerals were in the stones? Were they using granite, basalt, andesite? Were they using limestone? We have to look at all of these things to understand what the properties are. You know, some people don't, maybe don't fully understand that the fact that the Great Pyramid of Giza has never had any definitive proof that Kufu ever even built it. That whole story

that came out of the 1800s, as far as we can tell if you actually study it, is a complete forgery. So the very concept that these pyramids were built as tombs is obviously being disproved at a massive level. And it's a little bit silly now, even encountering that notion that that still exists. And it does. But we're rapidly moving out of that. I feel like 80% of the people that I run into just randomly in life, and I'm like, just happen to get into a conversation right. And they're like, we're talking about the Great Pyramids. And most of them don't believe they're tombs anymore, which is interesting that we're seeing that shift because I think that's how the shift happens, right? It's in the collective consciousness and then eventually the narrative shifts like way down, way down the line.

The point is we understand that they're these sacred and credible structures. But not only that, like the Great Pyramid is basically designed to be a half ratio of the Earth, designed in a harmonic balance with the Earth, the Sun and the Moon. it gets wild, but this is where you can add on these layers. Think about our solar system. You have the Earth, you have the moon, and the sun. And if you look at Orion, there are these three massive stars out there that are based on, you know, if you study like Graham Hancock, I think there's some viability in looking at the book of the dead with Egypt where there may be like Orion is related to the path of the souls or something. Regardless of what it is, Orion was extremely important to them on a very, very deep level. to the point where when we look at the design of these structures,

both the great pyramids of Giza, the three, as well as the three pyramids of Tia of Tewa Khan. Now, if people aren't aware yet, those are both pyramid structures. One is what's called like a Ziggurat step pyramid, which is what you see in a lot of Central America, South America, Mexico, and Mesopotamia. And then, of course, in Egypt, you get the more pointed pyramids like we're used to. But they all had similar functions in my,

or purposes in my opinion. I think that's slightly differed based on how they were designing it. But what's fascinating to me the most is that when you look at their alignments on the ground, and Robert Povall, I think was the first person who, or at least one of the first people who put this out, put this forward, was that they actually seem to match the exact way that Orion is above us in the way that they design them on the ground. But not only the Great Pyramids of Giza seem to be aligned. designed in that exact nature and then also pointing towards Orion.

But on the other side of the world, literally almost the exact opposite side of the world, which is really interesting, we see this mysterious site called Tehwatiwa Tiwakan, which the Aztec do not say they built and are very open to say that they discovered it and found it and then they adopted it as part of their culture. They have no idea who built Tehwitwakan. In fact, nobody does. No one knows who built Tehwatihuacan. Some, I would speculate the Olmec or something related could have been involved in that, but we don't know. But what's fascinating is at Tiawitia Khan, there are three pyramids, just like a geiza.

You have the temple of the pyramid of the sun, the pyramid of the moon, and the pyramid of Kesequodal. So again, you're now representing not only the solar system, but you're representing the cosmic connection with Orion as well. So what happens when you do that? I don't think our collective consciousness in our society right now fully understands that. I think we're just basically emerging and looking at it like children, kind of wide-eyed and what they could have been doing with these structures. For instance, we just had the spring equinox. We just had, you know, spring came in and the best place, one of the best places on Earth

to be in the northern hemisphere is you want to go to Chichenitsa with the Temple of Kukukokon, right? Because you have only two times a year, right? the spring and the fall, equinox is the only two times. They literally designed a temple so perfectly that it's aligned with the sun to only pass over two different times to create a shadow of a serpent descending down the stairs to the bottom as like basically descending from heaven, coming down and descending down to the earth.

And we look at the Maya and we don't give them nearly enough credit for, first of all, is that the Maya that even built it? That's that those are getting the questions that we have to start asking because if you look at the Aztec and the Toltec and even the Inca, we're finding extreme evidence all over those regions that there was a much more, more ancient culture that existed before them. Pre-Inca, pre-Maya, pre-Astec, pre-Toltec, maybe not pre-Omec though. That's an interesting one of that one, I would say. But what we're finding is to give you an example, just to jump down there for a second, but go down to South America, go to a place like Machupeju. Near a place called the Torreon, which is basically like a sundial, you have a wall there, a wall that has three, three distinctive building styles.

Not two, but three. And on the bottom, you have the most beautiful megalithic stones, usually made out of granite, very, very hard, very difficult to manipulate. And they're just perfect. They're basically perfect. And right above it, you have a layer that's not as thick as the bottom layer where it's slightly, large, slightly smaller stones still with fine craftsmanship, but not nearly as good as the bottom half. And then above it, you have quite primitive brick and mortar. Now, that top layer is what we know is the Inca. And yet the Inca are getting credit for not only one, but two different

buildings underneath it, which is telling, what is that telling us? Right, Derek? Well, to me, it tells me, it tells us that there was an incredible civilization here. And we have to go into when that was and how long they lasted and who they were, but they built, I think, the most incredible structures around the world as a collective group traveling around with sages and groups, and they were known as the Upcalo in Mesopotamia. But what's fascinating, though, is that they built that and then they disappeared everywhere, and all that was left were the lower bases of structures everywhere. In most cases, besides the Great Pyramids of Giza and some other locations, most of these ancient lost civilization structures only have the lower most bases left.

Like some kind of tsunami came through and just wiped everything out and just tore it down because we find all of the stones, like for instance at Tijuana Tijuana, in Bolivia, you find just strewn andesite stones across a huge area. And the only way you could get that is some tsunami just sweeping through and destroying everything like that. And that's what we're finding. And that's why Machu Picchu is so interesting because if you think about it, if you have that highly advanced culture in the bottom, then something happens. And then you have some period of time that's not very big where they try to rebuild.

They try to rebuild and try to restart what they were doing there. And what they were doing there is like a whole other conversation. But they tried to do it and then they failed because I think what we're looking at is the younger Dryas had a major event on the front end and then a major event on the back end, which is around 12 to 13,000 years ago. And that second attempt to rebuild, I think they were wiped out. That's why we see this primitive work on top because I think what we think of as the Inca are mostly indigenous groups from the Amazon who came up out of the jungles potentially thousands of years later. That's what's so wild and mind-blowing to consider is that they came out of the

rainforest out of the jungle and found the ruins of these incredible places. And they did learn quite a bit. And they created an incredible culture around it. But nowhere near is sophisticated as the previous culture or cultures that existed there. And we know that because of what they left behind and what they were able to do. You mentioned the Egyptians out of the gate there. You know, these prediluvian, whatever you want to call them, ancient Egyptians, the OGs, they clearly had this high order of astronauts.

knowledge, right? Yeah. They just knew about these rhythmic, harmonic, universal, proportional laws, advanced mathematics. I was just in Peru in October, Machu Picchu, you know, the crown jewel up there, the Chicana that's up near the granite area, you know, where you see a lot of the greatest megalithic foundations. I believe it's the during the solstice, you know, you see the three, the Andean cross that sticks up out of the ground.

when that solstice hits and the sunlight hits that, the chakana is completed. You see the bottom half through the shadows. So in your book, I saw somewhere a cool graphic that shows kind of this 200,000-year timeline. Yeah. And I know hearing that might blow some people's minds. But break that down for us a little bit. The idea of creating a timeline like that is not something set in stone, but it's at least somewhere we can start. It's my goal in a lot of my research has been studying ancient cuneiform tablets from

Sumer, Assyria, throughout the whole Mesopotamian region like Babylon. And the idea was if we take all of the most ancient writings in the world and we try to cross reference the stories they tell, the events that happened, the kings that lived, the cities that were here, and then the cities that were destroyed and then the cities that emerged again, we can start to create something. We can start to create a timeline. And the way we can do that is by understanding climatology and understanding geology and understanding aspects of, well, if they're describing a great disaster and there's evidence for that disaster, then when was that disaster? Well, let's look at ice core samples from Greenland and Antarctica, look back at when there was some massive event and then try to pinpoint it because the first thing we have to realize is that archaeologists in, let's say, the Mesopotamian region will say that the flooding that is described in,

like about six different tablets from the Epic of Gilglish to the Atrahasis are about a localized event. That's the answer that they give is this a localized event from river flooding of the of the tigers and Euphrates rivers. They are in alluvial plains. There is flooding that occurs in the springtime sometimes. Absolutely. That does happen. And absolutely, except that it doesn't match up with the archaeological evidence has at all, especially from these new sites like Cherupac that we can talk about in a minute that we'll go into the next part about, which is really showing us based on these massive inundation layers, meaning flood layers of silt and mud that have accumulated

with no signs of human occupation in between and nothing that showed that it was a progressive process, but more like a massive pile of sediment and mud that deposited and basically buried and made that ancient history lost. That's the history that I'm interested in. Those places, these giant megaliths around the world that has bases that don't match the things above it, ancient pyramids, all of this seems to fall into this concept that our human history and specifically civilization, the emergence of civilization out of primitive hunter-gatherer nomadic groups. When did that transition

occur. The first place to start is you create what we call benchmarks. They're benchmarks that we can try to lay out and then try to fit everything in between. And that's how I like to work. Because if you try to put them all in at once, you're going to be overwhelmed. So the way you do it is you put in what you know and then you try to fill it in. When the human brain has been studied, I think one of the best geneticist experts that's looked at this is probably Lloyd Pye. Now, I will admit I don't agree with every bit of his work. But I think that his genetic research on the human brain and on ancient cultures is pretty accurate. And specifically in terms of the human brain doubling in size, or at least transforming into something different, that separated us from the animal kingdom

in a different way. I do not think that that brain was the same brain that, say, like a Neanderthal or a Denisovian had, it seems to be like a different chapter for us, a different chapter that goes way, way, way back. And that keeps going back further and further. For instance, we just found confirmed footprints in White Sands, New Mexico, that are literally dated to be double the age of any indigenous group in the United States. Double. So the date is that indigenous groups are supposed to have come into the United States

through the Bering Sea Strait during the last Ice Age around 13,000 years ago, except that they've now proven footprints in white sand. are 26 to 27,000 years old. Basically, doubling that age, we have to throw this entire narrative that we're given at least beyond the Roman Empire, which is an interesting benchmark to put at. But everything earlier than that and older, we really have to look at. And more even more so, once you get beyond the dynastic Egyptians in that time period, that's where we really need to start rewriting it.

In fact, I think we need to throw the whole book out at that point, literally just like have a big book burning party and then start over again. Because, again, this is what we're taught. So the human civilization merges 6,000 years ago in Sumer, 6,000 years ago, meaning that anything before 6,000 years ago, this is the doctrine we're taught, which is still firmly established and fiercely defended. That civilization timeline means that anything prior to 6,000 years ago would have had to have been, according to them, primitive hunter-gatherer groups traveling around and hunting and then staying for small periods of time and then moving on. And they claim that those groups are the ones that build things like Gobecki-Tepi, which is completely insane because you would never have a nomadic group that would be able to even have their resources to do that. So those are the kinds of questions we get. Now, there's your first benchmark. That's the reason I mentioned it.

The first benchmark we have is Quebecli-Tepi. Because because Quebec-Letepi was deliberately buried, or at least buried, we'll say, regardless of if it was deliberate or not, what we have there is what's called the time capsule. Shurupak is the same thing. We'll get to that after. A time capsule is if you have a place

that is rapidly filled in and covered up, you can preserve the organic matter there. It seals it like a tomb and it stays there, especially if you get very dry climates in places where you don't get a lot of rain and things like that. Well, it means that when they dug down to go betpipi-tapi, they found it during 1944, 1945, and they get down in there and they find organic matter wedged inside the tiny, tiny cracks of stone. And they take samples from different sites and they come up with

a pretty comprehensive date of 11,600 years ago. And that date is absolutely mind-blowing because it just so happens to be the same date that Plato is given for the destruction of Atlantis. Not only that, but it's the same date that is shown on ice cores from Greenland as being part of a massive set of earth events catastrophes on the earth during that same time period. Now, I don't think the organic matter, I don't think the site was built during that. I think it just means it was at least that old. And I think it was built earlier than that.

And that's probably just the carbon dating that's possible because organic matter can only, like, can only be dated to the very last moment, like, before it was covered up. You're not going to be able to date something that was like organic matter from like an earlier time period. It would be whatever you have remaining. And that's what they dated. And that's where it gave that date. It's a benchmark, though. So that means that we know that the civilizations that built those tea pillars, I don't think the ones that built a stone around it,

but the tea pillars were from a much, much older civilization. And that tea shape is then found, as you know, my friend, in Monorca, Spain with some of the most beautiful pillars there on an island of the Mediterranean, as well as all over these ancient artifacts from Lake Vaughn at an artifact called a Kef Box Relief that has that same symbol. And then you start to wrap your head around you say, okay, so all of these symbols and these highly advanced giant megalists that have literally, that have literally like sophistication that's beyond our comprehension,

they were built by a culture that is not the same culture that we're told. Not only that, but it's not the same time period that we're told either. It's from a completely different time period. The question is when. And that's where we take our benchmarks and we build off of it. So we say, okay, well, now we know that those civilizations that built that were older than the younger dryus. So they were from another time period. So then you put that in.

So you do something like, well, the ancient Egyptians, the dynastic Egyptians were around 4,000, 5,000 years ago. And you have a version of the Sumerians or a large. at least the Acadians, what's a version of that that had restarted in that region? But then you also have, we look at like the Chaldeans and different groups in that region. But you realize very quickly, Derek, that they're part of a completely different time period. They're not even from that same time period. They couldn't be from a more different time period, actually. Just a quick thought, you know, what you're saying about,

Goebeckli-Tippi, they're in Turkey. Same thing in Egypt as you've seen, even the Egyptologists, you know, they admit, well, There was a caveman era, the pre-Dynastics, this group that they say existed right before the dynastics, who, you know, were these primitive hunter-gatherers. Yet in their very graves, they found these precision granite pottery vessels that looked like they were literally laser, laser precision form. From our charter X all the time from the museum, right, in Cairo? Clearly, the pre-Dynastic primitive cultures found these. Yeah.

and thought these were so valuable. We got to keep it with us and we're buried with them. But it's a completely different thing compared to the, you know, the hand-painted stuff that's falling apart made of clay that they made. And so just to prove your point, you mentioned the discoveries at Lake Vaughn. Let's talk about that because this is a recent discovery. And you were, I heard you talking somewhere on a show.

This might be the only underwater megalith extract. tell people who might not even know about this, what was discovered, what it looks like, and what it means. Yeah, this is, it's a perfect way that we can keep feeding that timeline because we're going to, what we're going to do right now is we're going to keep getting older, and we're going to keep putting that into a timeline. So the, the Lake Vaughan discoveries emerged out of me studying obsessively ancient Mesopotamia, specifically the original Sumerian cities. And the last of these Sumerian cities, because there was five original original original, original. cities that are mentioned in numerous, numerous tablets like the Sumerian kinglist, Eridugensis, and many others. And they discussed these first cities, these first cities that were lowered and down from heaven, they say, and had some kind of a divine order were created in a way

where it was something that had never existed here. They're very clear in that. Something new that had not existed. And it's no coincidence that the Sumerians are credited with inventing nearly everything we could think of. We think of the, the, the, the, the, the building. blocks of our entire civilization, everything from agriculture to metallurgy, to astronomy, to mathematics, to laws and rules, to agriculture, everything came from Sumer. So it's very fascinating when you see that there was first five original cities that were mentioned as being created, and they're the ones who invented everything. What's even more amazing about that is there's a cylinder seal called VA 243 that I'm sure you know about that shows what's the patron god Enki,

and he's passing something to two individuals. What he's passing is very important. He's passing the plow. He's literally passing the plow to them, showing that that's how that knowledge was given. It's not, I feel like that kind of sums up that debate a little bit with saying, well, did the Sumerians invented or were they just taught all of it? And it seems pretty clear that all those things were just taught to them,

especially when you look at the nature of how these cities were described as being specifically placed and they called pure places, and then they created them these great temples. But the stories all described how there was a great flood catastrophe that came through and literally wiped out the ancient world, wiped it out, to the point where that entire history was so old and so ancient that it almost became forgotten. And the language that comes out of the Sumerians called Sumerian is not what we see everywhere in Cuneiform, because Cuneiform is a writing style. So you have Acadian, a Cajian, a Cerean, a Syrian, Babylonium, and others.

But the point is that the Samarian version, their language died out. It was so ancient. Nobody knew how to speak it for thousands of years or read it. And that's where George Smith came in in 1849, and they discovered all the tablets. And then he cracked the epic of Gilgamesh in 1878. And then we started to read these ancient tablets. And they described that that last city, Shurupac, had a king known as Ubaratutu. and his son became what we think of as the Christian Noah Mythos.

His son was named Zayasudra. And his son was a priest and a king who briefly took over ruling Shrewpac before it was devastated. It was destroyed by a wall of water and mud, burying the city in over 17 feet of mud, sealing its fate away to the world. That city was found in 1931 by Penn Museum. and they found it 30 to 35 feet down. And above that 17-foot inundation layer, they found two other civilizations that had coexisted and much later time periods,

I guess earlier you could say in terms of us, earlier time periods in history, closer to us, that were much more primitive. But the more ancient version, the Sumerians that were on the very bottom, had much more sophisticated pottery, much right ancient writings,

and they found the name Sharupac on three tablets. Here, what was considered a myth, not real, like the city of Troy as well, was proven to be real. It wasn't a myth. It was a real place. So what else was real about that? And that's where my head started to spin and wonder if that story that's described how this figure Zayasudra and his sons had survived this catastrophe. And they, the tablets described them landing in this unbelievable, like, bitchamined, sealed abzu cedar cedar crax. that they really do describe in great detail having to create

as landing in the mountains or air at. And that's where this whole thing started because the tablets fracture off. All you know in the Androhasis is that Enl descends down with Enki and sees Zayestrude and his sons and says, no man was, I'm paraphrasing, but no man was supposed to survive the flood. And then Enki says, I warn him in order to protect the seat of humanity.

And then ultimately, because he did protect the seat of humanity, is described in the tablets how there was like a new decision made to allow something else to happen in humanity. Zayasudra is given immortality, and Gilgamesh ends up seeking him thousands of years later to figure out the secrets of mortality. But anyway, the point is the tablets end there. We never hear anything again.

We don't know what happened. What happened to Zayasudra? Like what happened to his sons? What happened to all of that? And in ancient Hebrew and Christian traditions, Christian traditions, they very much talk about that in great detail. Now, I don't agree with the time periods that they state at all. But in there, they talk about Enoch living for like 700 years, and how Enoch is one of the direct, either ancient ancestors of Sayasudra. They're all part of the same

lineage. And you start to wonder, well, how far back does that go? You know, why are they discussing in the Sumerian king list and the Uruk list of kings and the Barocious list of kings, as well as even the Egyptian king list as well. Why do we have these huge ages for kings earlier on and then short reigns later? Why? What was going on there? Were they living a lot longer? Well, those were the questions that were sort of going through my mind.

And I was stuck there for years, years. And then these discoveries around Lake Vaughn emerged. Now, some of these discoveries are so new that most people have never even heard of them. And I've actually met with quite a few archaeologists who have never even heard of them either, some prominent ones as well. And that just speaks to the nature of how new they are and the fact that these discoveries have not made nearly enough attention, which it is what it is, but in the end of the day, that's why we're doing this. What happened was the one that the specific discovery that Derek was mentioning before is that in 2017, so very new in the archaeological world.

Like for instance, Quebec, TEPI was found in 1945. but we're still just figuring that out, and it seems like a new kinna block. Well, this is the real new kinna block. You want to talk about archaeological excavations that are being done on Earth right now? There's nothing that matches like Vaughn, in my opinion. Nothing. What's going on around there with what's being found at sites like Ionis Temple and Kavis Temple and Keff Temple and Zernakitepi is going to change all of history, in my opinions.

My opinion. But the first thing to mention is that in 2017, an American team, which had quite a bit of opposition at the time, which was interesting, was diving off of a town called Adel-Sivés in the northwest part of Lake Vaughn. And they were diving down to find, they believed there was evidence that there was underwater remnants of ruins there. And this is in Turkey, correct? Sorry, this is in eastern Turkey near the Armenian border, a region called Lake Vaughn, a massive, massive lake. One of the largest lakes in the world and one of the deepest lakes in the world is over 1,500 feet deep.

and it's surrounded by volcanoes, one of them being Mount Sufon that's nearly 14,000 feet tall. It's really impressive. But it mirrors exactly what we see at Lake Tidica, with the Tewinacca civilization, which we can get to. Mirrors, like, identically, like they picked up and then built like a mirror civilization. When they were diving down, these divers went down over 100 feet under Lake Vaughn, and they got down to the shelf. imagine this huge shelf that sticks out and emerges out on the lake, like an ancient shore, an ancient shore of the lake. And down what they found down there, and I've confirmed with Brian Forster this,

is they found the only megalithic ruins, megalithic, because there are archaeological ruins in places like Egypt and off of Greece, but they found the only megalithic temple walls that anywhere in the world underwater, and over 100 feet underwater. And if you were to start asking some questions, like, well, wait, when was Lake Vaughn low enough that it could have had levels that could have been below that area where those temples are built? And you find out that the last time it was low enough for that was about 15,000 years ago during right before the Younger Dryas events of the last Ice Age. Lake Vaughn does not have any kind of an outlet or really an inlet for a river.

It's a very closed basin. So what happens is, it's very fascinating, actually, is it's got such a high amount of salt that it almost preserves everything underwater in the most profound way possible. And so they're diving down, and they have their headlamps on, and they're looking around underwater,

and they find these beautiful and precise megalithic temple ruins, an ancient temple underwater. And it made slight bits of news at the time, but it really largely went under the radar. And then Zernaki Tepe was found in 2014. And then you find out that some of these other sites like Keff Temple and Kavis Temple were found in like 1958, 1960. And wait, why haven't you ever heard about it before? That's where you get down this very interesting rabbit hole.

Because the archaeologists that are in all these sites right now, brand new, like, They're uncovering giant megalithic blocks that look just like South America at is there Naki-TEPI. And not only that, but in places like ionis, you're finding antisite that looks either as good or even better than Tijuana. It's absolutely mind-blowing. It's also interesting that those are some of the only two civilizations in the world that built with anocyte. Like they were mirroring each other, each other there. And anisite is even harder than vassol.

It's about a seven to seven and a half on the most hardness scale. it's a fine-grained volcanic igneous rock but they seem to have very interesting it has seemed to have very interesting energetic properties that were of interest to these groups now the archaeologists that are in there is made up of a number of different teams american teams and turkish teams a lot of students from universities and they're doing incredible jobs not preserving some of the sites like keff temple and cavis that are abandoned but they're doing a great job at ionis and zernaki and i say that because the problem though is that the reason why no one's heard about these places is that the archaeologists there are convinced that they were all built by a civilization called the urartian civilization now the urartians existed about 4 000 years ago or so some say 3500 to 4 000 years ago is what's being credited as this time period and i wouldn't disagree with that potentially maybe not maybe but that doesn't really matter as much what matters What matters is that the Uyro-Ratian civilization left behind a lot of things.

We know a lot about them. It's not like it's a mythical thing where we're like, who are the Uartians? No, they were a civilization that was very similar to the later Syrians in Acadians. They became somewhat empire-warlike. They still valued wisdom, but they weren't anything like the previous civilization. We know that because of the simple. and what the other civilization left behind. The Urarcian civilization was unable to build a single structure anywhere in around Lake Vaughn

that wasn't made out of a sedimentary limestone. They just did not have the tools or the capability, and we know that. And what's interesting is that their artwork wasn't really that extravagant. Their stonework and their artwork was not that incredible. So what's funny is that when you have archaeologists that are in places like Keff Temple and find these giant box reliefs that are literally some of the most sacred symbols on it that are like hermetic constants and like concepts that change our understanding of the nature of reality.

When you look at that and you read the papers from these digs, the archaeologists are baffled. They even state numerous times that they don't understand how the comparisons don't really make sense to them and they don't see that kind of. cultural advancement in the Arteans, but they must have just figured it out. It's more or less some of the statements they don't know. And why are they saying that? Well, it's what's called the ivory tower of archaeology. It means that all of those individuals that came before are vitally important because they're the ones who laid the foundation. And if you were to come along and find evidence of a civilization that is so much older, that doesn't match at all with what that was

saying, you're basically throwing those books out a little bit. You're not saying it's all irrelevant, but you're saying that it doesn't match up. And once you open up that gate, the whole thing collapses, which is why no archaeologist has truly come forth in that way. No archaeologist has ever come forth, writing numerous books, going on microphones. No, they don't because it's like George Carlton's George Carlin said, right? The comedian, it's a big club and you're not part of it. That's what it is. It's just a big club of high-level academics that refuse to allow the doctrine of history to change because it discredits a lot of their earlier work. And it discredits some of the work of the great minds that they revere as the benchmark of archaeology. And that is

exactly what happened. Because in the papers, especially from Keff Temple, they, even stated well, so and so, I won't mention their names, so and so that wrote this, this great text, he identified these symbols were this. So I guess they're this. However, and I'm paraphrasing, but it's quite accurate. However, the similarities on things like the tree of life and the pine cone look remarkably similar to each other, but it's been previously already associated as being a spear or a war symbol. And so I guess that's what it is, basically. And it's like, what? No, you just were about to say what it really is based on an objective scientific mind. Science, as it is today, around the world needs to be radically changed. Science has

become a very biased place on grants and influences and who you're working. with, it's become extremely biased place, and it's very sad. That doesn't mean we throw all science out. I don't like people that do that. They start saying like the devil's watch tower in Wyoming is a giant tree. No, we got to get, bring some academic back in, bring some science in. Don't just throw the whole baby out with the bathwater. We have to integrate it in with a different understanding. We have to be more sensitive to the fact that we don't want to tear down all the great things that were built. But we want to look at it in a different light and maybe move some things around. The reason we have to do that is that it just no longer matches up.

And it falls to people like you and I, Derek, to go into those places now and to put those puzzles together. And that is exactly what's happening right now, is that we are, I am launching a major expedition coming up. We're just trying to get the timing down based on availability and different things. But we will be headed to Lake Vaughn with a whole group of scientists and experts to explore all these sites to try to change the narrative once and for all. all. And that, those connections from Lake Vaughn, from the same symbols we see, then travel around

the world and we see them in Peru, we see them in Bolivia, we see them in Egypt, we see them in India, we see them in Cambodia, in Saudi Arabia. It's like this giant key is at Lake Vaughan, what I'm calling the lost era civilization. They didn't call themselves anything, but that was their most sacred mountain. And that civilization that built those sites around Lake Vaugham, seems to be this origin point. It seems to be an origin point of potentially everything. And that's what's so exciting is it's not just these sites that you haven't heard of, or that are incredible and that match and mirror things around the world. What we find is that the very concept of cosmic constants, hermeticism,

that we see mirrored in Egypt, and we see married in Mesopotamia, and we see meridian in Central America, these understandings of, cosmic laws, cosmic laws that exist, and almost like mastering reality and mastering this, mastering the human potential and consciousness and energy, those things seem to all come from this mastery that was lowered and handed down at Lake Vaughn. If you imagine that,

and I do believe the original Sumerians were older, that's why I said I think the bloodline lineage connects up there, but if you imagine the Sumerians invented everything else, the blueprints to everything, then what was invented or passed down at Lake Vaughn was like a whole other chapter. It was like chapter two. The few images I've seen of Lake Vaughan, it definitely like you say looks megalithic in nature,

big old mortarless blocks. There is nothing else like this that I can think of that's underwater, that's megalithic in nature. No. Mortarless like you would see in Peru or Egypt's megalithic temples. When you go there, do you think you'll actually be able to, dive and go down close to it?

Yeah, we're going to have, if it's not part of the first expedition, it'll be part of a future expedition, which will be getting the divers to go down to see that wall. And that wall is just from the same time period as, for instance, like Keff Temple. Keff Temple is right above it. So if you think of that underwater temple off of Adel-Sevez, Kev Temple is right above the mountain above Adel-Svez. So Keff Temple would be facing the lake looking over it,

and then that other temple would have been along the lake. shore. And so they were, they were, they were part of the same set of temples in that region. But it, again, it proves not only with the stone, the stone proves that it was part of an earlier civilization because of how hard it is, how giant megalithic work you see with it, like you were saying, you would have to have had a highly advanced culture to be able to create that. Nomadic hunter-gatherers cannot create stones like that. Even if you look, even look at something like Stonehenge for a minute. I'm going to give an example. That's an incredible wonder. that the druids or a group related to the druids seem to have built.

But it's still not highly sophisticated in terms of the stones being cut. It's a different time period. It's like a different age where they were trying to mimic things in a certain way. But it's not these incredibly finely carved either granite, basalt, or antacite, which is pretty much the only three stones that they were really using. Diorite sometimes was also being used. But they were using these specific stones that were very, very hard. and they were creating these giant megalithic structures that we frankly would have trouble with in some cases today.

Now, the heart of these discoveries and these important aspects to look at is a place called Ionis Temple. Now, if you're listening to this and you go look up these places, you're going to see this silly word Colessi after all of them. The reason I don't use the word Colessis, it means fortress. And the reason I don't use that is because these have all been misidentified in my opinion. as being Urarthian fortresses or castles. Completely wrong. These were sacred, sacred temples, sacred temples to the highest level. And so I will not use the word class.

So that's why I call it Ionis Temple. Now Ionis is the most interesting of all of them. Because Ionis, which is what I named my company after and this whole expedition and group, it's called Ionis Legacy. Ionis is this location that was discovered in around, well, originally the excavation started in 1989, on the lowermost basis, looking around the bottom of this big hill where they were starting to find megalithic walls. And above those megalithic walls, and I have great photographs, is you see the really primitive brick and mortar from the Aratans. It's very obvious.

It's like the Inca, but not even quite as good. And underneath that, you see this highly sophisticated work. Well, it took them 30 years, 30 years, nearly, 25 to 30 years to get and excavate all the way up to get to the top of the temple where Ionis was, where they found what I consider, I believe, is the oldest temple on earth. And not only that, but I think that that site and the other proxy ones like Keff with a box relief, as well as Kavis and the underwater stuff, I think that will change our entire understanding of human history in the future. And I mean that. Not only understanding how far back our story goes, but where you can trace all these great esoteric, sacred teachings that we see all around the world, where the same symbols are followed back to this origin point, but even add another thing onto that. Aonis contains what I believe after studying it is what potentially could be the oldest cross and the very first cross in all of history, but not just a typical cross where it's a random jagged cross. or something, a cross that we see that's integrated into the highest levels of secret societies in religious organizations today. That became known as the Knights Templar or the Red Cross.

We see that same cross that's mirrored in places like Malta in the Maltese cross. Now that cross is very specific because it forms a bit of a circle around it, which is really interesting because in Christian depictions, you see the same cross behind that as with the halo around it. Now, when I mean the same, I mean it's exactly the same cross as the Knights Templar and that the Vatican have. It's not the crucifix cross, totally different cross. And it begs this question of whether or not these secret societies and these groups actually knew about this origin of this Noah mythos with this original cross, with these sons of Zayasudra, Japith, sham, and ham, that seem to play these pivotal parts in our human history.

in what I would consider this lost golden age of humanity. I think it was an entire age. If we're talking about adding to the timeline, well, let's add to it now. If Quebec-Detepe is 11,600 years old, when I'm looking at these structures at Lake Vaughn, what I'm seeing is not that it was built necessarily at the same time as, say, like, same thing as Egypt or as Peru. I think it was built before them,

because I think it was built first. And then that technology and that knowledge then passed and traveled around the world with these sages. The reason I say that is that the first thing is that at Kavis-Tepi, we find a keneiform set of text that gives us the actual name, King Hike, on there for being one of these descendants of Japeth. You find out through that that actual ancestral lineage was true, but it's a lot more ancient than we're told.

And when you go back to Shurupac, and you look at that event, and you try to figure out when it happened, you find out that it doesn't line up with the Ungradryas. It doesn't because let's go to Egypt, go to a place that we're going to which is called the Temple of Horus. The Temple of Horus in Edfu has a place, a very specific place at Edfu that describes the very beginning of everything. And they call it something very specific. And I'm sure you know this. They call it Zeptepti. And Zeptepe is the beginning of everything. not the beginning of earth, but the beginning of Egypt. Egypt in the sense of a civilization.

And they called themselves the Comicians or the land of Kemp. And it was a place that was described because of the black dirt, potentially of the Nile and how fertile it was. But it was a region where they built, obviously we know they built great pyramids and temples, and they lined them to specific star constellations. Now we find our answer in a particular place that's interesting, the great sphinx.

Now the great sphinx that used to be a lion, we know that because of its alignments with Leo, and how the lion was one of the most sacred guardian symbols in all of the ancient world, including Lake Vaughn. That's one of the most common symbols that is shown there, Lake Vaughn. Now, the great sphinx, when it was a lion, used to face Leo specifically, because that's why it was created. It's the energy of Leo as a protector, because what the great sphinx's purpose was was to be a guardian of the underground, the tunnels that went down through it underneath Giza, because there's an entire set of

subterranean chambers and potentially even libraries that used to exist underneath Giza. And again, this concept of as above, so below, these hermetic concepts, there was this entire underworld under Giza, Egypt. And at the sphinx, right now, we know of at least three entrances. There's one on the head. there's one on the side of the body,

and then there's one on the back. I think it's one on the front as well. The point is that we have seen ground penetrating radar and all of these technological things in the last 20 years that are like, hey, look, we found tunnels under there and they go down, and then Zahi Awas has shown climbing down a ladder, and then he's like, hi. And then there's nothing else, and we never hear about it again.

But the truth is that it's just ridiculous at this point. We know there's all these subterranean tunnels that go down there. They're not showing us where they go. You know, Brian Forrester is part of a team that discovers the tune of the birds, and they're like exploring around and going in there, and they go back for a second trip, and then Egypt had barred it up with gates, and they couldn't even go in.

I mean, clearly we're being kept out of these areas. I mean, what is underneath there? What kind of secrets are underneath there? Where do these tunnels lead? I think they probably lead to, like, sacred chambers, like the Osirion, or places like that where they have these sacred locations. with probably libraries and energetic purposes and all these things. But the point is, and I just got off of a huge tangent there,

the point is the Great Sphinx was really important. It was the heart of their entire, the guardian for that, the knowledge guardian. It was facing Leo. We know that. But the last time it faced Leo was during the Young Gradrius, which is why a lot of academics are saying that the Great Pyramids and the Great Sphinx were built like maybe a little. 11, 12, 13,000 years ago, because they're looking at the last alignment of Leo and they're looking at the last alignments of the Great Pyramid of Giza with Orion and Sirius.

So they're saying, well, those cycles, when they go back from the, based on the procession of the equinox, this wobbling of the earth, they go back 13,000 years. And experts are like, oh my God, how dare you even suggest that? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, I don't even think that's the right age. I don't. I think that if you were to have a time of disasters on the earth, why would we think it would be even viable to build the civilization during that? That doesn't make sense to me, and nor does the idea that they could have even done it, in my opinion. So let's go back to another previous age of Leo.

When's the next one? Well, the next one is 38,000 years ago. 38,000 years ago. Now, the first person who made that, that connected that hypothesis was the great John Anthony West. That man was a legend. He was one of the ones who started it all. Before Graham Hancock, before rubber shotgun involved, John Anthony West wrote a book called The Serpent in the Sky. And he was talking about these previous ages of Leo.

And he didn't even believe that the Younger Dryas was when it was built. He believed it was during that 38,000 times, 38,000 years ago. which means that I believe that 38,000 years ago was Zeptepi. That's my reasoning there based on the alignments and based on how it doesn't match up at all, and it's part of this lost time period, is that it's 38,000 years ago. So there you go. There's another one. So then let's put the emergence of Egypt at Zeptepi at 38,000 years ago.

Well, then where does Lake Vaughn fall? Well, I think that Lake Vaughn came before because I think that the Shem or Cham or Cham, which I have an incredible book from the 18, the lady to 1800s that discusses that. I'm working off of some really interesting theories on who built the great pyramids. But if the same symbols are present in Egypt at Lake Vaughan that we see at Peru and Bolivia, these same symbols and concepts, then how old is Ionis then? And how old are those ruins? I'm giving the benchmark of saying they're likely 40,000 years old.

but possibly older. And that's where I'm looking at this, because when we look at ice cores, and I was looking at ice cores back, you can't look at Greenland ice cores, though. I don't know if you know that, but Greenland ice cores only go back 20,000 years. So some people might not know that.

So what you have to do is you have to look at Antarctic ice cores, which go back to roughly 500,000 years ago, 450,000 years ago. And when I was looking and studying 38 to 40,000 years ago, or in that time period, say, like maybe 45,000 years ago, somewhere in there, there's another event. Not nearly as big as the Younger Dryas, but there's another event there,

maybe half as big, which could account for this great Sumerian flood, that then disperse them up there and then cause this new golden age to then be lowered and handed down. And that's exactly what I believed happened. Because what we're seeing is this God Haldi, Haldi, as he said in Armenian, is shown passing the ultimate knowledge there.

Through the pine cone, through even the religious cup, through all the hermetic concepts of the triptic doorways we see everywhere in the world. It's like all the knowledge of how to reach divinity was lowered at Ionis in at Keff, right there. And then they traveled around the world and then created all these things. And that's why when we're looking at this time frame, I think when we're looking at something like Atlanta, I think it could directly be involved in this.

All of it could be involved in this as part of this golden age. Because when you look at Lake Vaughan emerging with the symbols and the same structures, you find that in Greece, a place that not a lot of people know about, has some of the most beautiful megalis, easily, the most beautiful megalis in all of Europe. What's called the Picks Wall, you know about the Picks Wall, is absolutely incredible. Now, on that wall, if you look really,

carefully on the blocks, you'll see these indentation levels of three. Look really carefully next time you look at it. It's these three levels on every single one of these giant blocks. They're incredible. And that is only one piece because you look into Greek culture, you find that their great symbol is the Griffin. And then you look at the lion and you look at all these symbols and you see that it came from Lake Vaughn, which means that Japheth or that group from there traveled west and literally created what we think as the proto-Athenians. I'm sure you're aware, Derek, that in the, in the Temaeus and Cretius, we learn all about that during the time of Atlantis, there was another civilization that existed called the Proto, the Athenians or the Proto-Athenians. And they existed before

what we think is the classical Greeks by thousands of thousands of years, which is why I think Greece was so ahead of the whole game when it came to democracy and laws and rules in a society. Because it had come from what Plato describes in the Temeus and Critias as being the most perfect civilization ever created. That's what he states. He says that the Athenians were the greatest single civilization that ever existed in the history, and that they had mastered everything. And it's very interesting looking at Greece now and looking at all of what's come out of that. with this pride and strength in the right ways, though. Instead of being a conquering mentality,

it's about creating like a perfect society. And I think that even classical Greece followed a lot of that. And it was very telling to get to that origin of where it come from. Now, that means that we're looking at some kind of a path. We're looking at this path of progression of different groups that are building different things. in Saudi Arabia there's a place called Medan Saleh, these giant mountain temples in the middle of the desert that have these inverted step pyramids,

that same symbol is on the Kef Box Relief at from Lake Fon, as well as becoming the same symbol that became the Chicana in South America. It's the same symbol. As well as at Tewanaki, we see this across emerge, similar to Ionis, and these same similar depictions.

Now, if anyone hasn't done this, I highly recommend you look up photographs not of the front, but at the back of the gate of the sun. Derek, do you, have you remember seeing, I'm sure you've seen the back at the gate of the sun. Well, if you look up photographs, you'll see like 99% of everybody takes a picture of the front because it's like, we're for your coaches

and they have all the goodies where he's holding on the two serpents. But on the back, you have something really different depicted. You have three doors, three doors in the back, with a central door that's larger with this same indented three levels. Now, why three levels? Well, at the Keff Box Relief, this giant box relief, you can find on my website, the stage of time.com, you can see it. You see this constant concept of three that became known as the triptych.

It's this idea that there are three aspects of us, that if we find balance, we literally reach our highest states. we transform. That triptic doorway not only started at Lake Vaughn at the Kef Boxer Leaf the very first time, and then travel to Peru and Bolivia and all these different places around the world, but it was depicted very specifically, but kind of hidden in the background, in Da Vinci's Last Supper. That was the same thing, which then you're like, whoa. So what did these guys know? What did they understand? And perhaps they couldn't say anything because at the time, period, so they just got super smart and just hit it within art and within these concepts.

Those same symbols just like travel all around the world. And it becomes this key, when you understand Kef Temple and Ionis, this key that you turn to open up Pandora's box that then seems to show that those symbols passed around because it was an understanding. And then what really means is that nearly every one of these temples, these structures that were built in specific places were like these locations to reach our highest states of consciousness. But not only that, I think they were built in specific locations based on energy on the earth, were known as laylines or convergence zones. And what was described by many that have been looking into this,

that I completely agree with, this term called an energy earth grid. An energy earth grid covering the whole planet, that the ancients seemed to understand that they were integral part of balance in this. Because that's the number one symbol shown on all of these symbols is not only us reaching balance, but balance within harmony of nature, balance within the cosmos. And they seem to echo that all over,

everywhere that we can find, showing us that these temples may be far more sophisticated than we understand. Rather than just being places of reaching higher ascension, I believe the more that I've looked at at Derek, that these temples in the Great Pyramids of Giza and all of these giant megalithic remnants that are left are all specifically built in locations that were very specific for energy and that those places were

being held with a way of almost balancing energy here. Because when we look at something like Sakara, Egypt, and we look at those locations where we see these giant granite boxes, we see some evidence that some of them like exploded. And some of them were destroyed and we see a lot of energy had been thrust through some of these areas, especially Egypt. And it really makes you wonder about what their purpose was in terms of maybe preventing some of these disasters or holding order and balance on the earth because I can tell you that during the younger dryus 13,000 years ago, it was like the end of the world. Depending on where you were, it was like the end of the world. Tsunamis and volcanoes and potentially like could have been impacts, cosmic impacts on the ice caps. Multitude of

different events seem to have happened that were so significant that they wiped out an entire chapter of human history that had achieved far greater things, in my opinion, non-technologically, than we have. Understanding the bond of heaven on earth, understanding higher consciousness, understanding balance and harmony with all of nature and the earth and the cosmos, they seem to have mastered all of reality. And we seem to measure our accomplishments on flying into space and having all these phones. But what is that really?

Is that disconnecting us or is that connecting us? That's the real question that I would ask. One thought, just before I forget, you were mentioning the massive 100-ton boxes in the Serapim there of Sakara. My Egypt tour guide and author Muhammad Ibrahim was sharing some of his latest theories. Mainstream says, well, these were just a how is sacred bulls. Muhammad's theory is that these were actually, it was the bull of the sky. Yes, Torres, right? It was Torres.

He believes that these boxes housed sacred meteors that literally, during this younger, dryest impact event, the reason some of these look exploded and literally it's like there's a few that are just stuck in place, right? In the middle of the tunnel. He believes that the event happened, boom, whoever was in there creating these, you know, were just wiped out. It's so, so crazy to consider, right? Like you said, they're too big to be able to be brought down. They don't fit through the entrances, which means they had to have been built before the whole enclosure was built, which makes you even wonder what it was originally like in the past,

because what it looks now is literally just a remnants or whatever it was left. Again, like you said, we don't even know what the purpose of those giant granite boxes, which they just found a new one outside of Cairo just a few weeks ago. That was absolutely incredible. And most comments are like, oh, my God, what's inside the box? What's inside the box? but really, you know, you and I were talking about it, and just now you were saying about how it could have been meteorites.

We don't really know, though. Like, we do, what's interesting is we do know that Kufu had a, like a sword, right, that had meteorite built, that was built out of the handle, I think, or the, was it the handle that was built out of? I think so. And then I think it was, it was like quartz or whatever on the blade. But so we know that they were revering meteorites for sure. So we do know that.

one of the interesting things though is that the boxes have some people have theorized that like what if there's some kind of like rejuvenation chamber or something or something like an ascension chamber for traveling and traveling in the astral because the Egyptians were obsessed with the path of the dead the soul the path of the souls and they believed that if a great bloodline pharaoh or someone that was a great descendant they believe they could actually bring that soul back into the earth plane through guiding it, guiding it back in, and then they could preserve that soul. So their understanding of death and life, and their understanding of the sequences it went through, in my opinion, is beyond any other culture in the world. The Egyptians mastered, besides Mesopotamia, maybe, because Mesopotamia knew a lot about the underworld, but the Egyptians certainly mastered their understanding of it. And I think there's a lot more going on in the underworld than we really understand. It seems to be a place of potential, I don't want to call it, we'll call it, I guess you could call it judgment, potentially judgment of souls and incarnation, and a lot of

energy and decisions seem to be made somehow in the underworld. The ancient Mesopotamian tablets discussed it in great, great order that it's highly important to the energy and the incarnation cycles and just the way that this reality functions, is that imagine this reality is like a sandwich. The third dimensional reality, the 3D world that we're talking in right now, is that in between the sandwich, it's the very middle of the sandwich. It's where all energy is manifested in physical form. But above and below it, which isn't really above and below, because it's in a 3D context, there are different densities of reality. There are 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D, densities of reality, and they're like different dimensions of reality. And we can only

perceive largely the third dimension, but sometimes the... the fourth, depending on if we go into meditation states or even the fifth, but they're not aspects that we can really exist in because we exist in the 3D world and we have to maintain that. But the most fascinating thing about that is that we're multidimensional beings that are not bound by just existing in the 3D world. We're multidimensional. We're literally eternal beings, which means that the game to me is getting lost in this 3D world and forgetting who you really are and what you're a part of because it's such a good

game and not realizing that the true reality is actually the 4 and 5D. That's what the real reality is and that getting lost in this, this reality and not understanding there's anything higher really does keep you in that illusion that Gnostics had talked about with this illusion of reality that has been created. And we very much exist in that push and pull of energy of having a lot of noise and a lot of people telling us, oh, consciousness is created by the brain and you're here and there's nothing really important about you. And go pay your taxes and go to work and go have a family and do all that.

Whereas this whole other side is looking at it like, well, you're multidimensional beings that are here as creators. You've just forgotten everything. You don't understand who you are anymore. And you're really supposed to be here to learn lessons and grow into a higher form and then decide what you want to create. But it's not just about the individuals creating. It's about a co-creation.

It's about a co-creation here of all of us and how this fracturing of race and all these different divisions of nationality is like really the silliest thing in the world and is being diluted and finally going away and we're realized we're all these co-creators of humanity. That's it. We're humanity on Earth. We're Earthlings. We're just earthlings that have or on a teaching school that are all trying to help either continue or introduce a new age. we all fall into either one of those two things. And I like to think that, like you, Derek, and many, many others are here to help introduce a new age, an age of enlightenment, a new golden age, a new golden age where we can finally piece together these pieces and bring them all together to have this awakening in humanity where they can finally understand the divine side of who they are and get rid of war and destruction and separation and division and have this understanding that if we were to come together, in humanity with our greatest minds and creativity, there would literally be infinite possibilities

for what humanity could do. We will become the most powerful creators that you could imagine. Together is like this giant organism here. And I think that's the whole goal is to have us realize that we're all part of something incredible, something greater, something that every single one of us plays a part in, plays a role. And those roles can change depending on what you decide on your free will and how your destiny plays in your story. But we're all in that great stage right now of trying to understand what we're part of and what we can do to, I guess, help progress the future. And I really appreciate so many people like you, Derek, that are here to help prove not only an entire other narrative of history, but an entire other side of looking

at who we are and who they were. Because if you want to understand where we're going in the future, you can't get there unless you know where we've come from. Well, Matthew, thank you so much for your time. Where can people follow you, find your book, stay up to date with your latest exciting projects and expeditions. Thank you, Derek. I appreciate the conversation. The expedition is going to be launching in potentially a month and a half, but it might be pushed out to a couple months. We're still trying to play around to figure exactly what the right time is, but we are launching a whole expedition with archaeologists and scientists and experts to Lake Vaughn to all these sites to blow this whole thing open, to create a documentary to show the world what truly is there. Then it goes from what's

actually started in Penn Museum. We already filmed it. It goes to Turkey. And then the follow-up expeditions that get added on that are part of the documentary, then have the connections that go from Lake Vaughn, directly to the spring of the new stud, Oiante, Tambo in Peru, and then go directly to Tijuana in Bolivia and then Egypt as this huge circle of understanding. And that doesn't encapsulate the whole connections. There are going to be future expeditions to like Saudi Arabia and Cambodia and India. But for those interested in still being a part of that, you can still contribute to that expedition because we need all the help we can get. And if you do 500 or more, you get your name in the credits of the documentary and then 100 or more and you still get in on the website. So I still

encourage anybody if they want to be a part of that. It's such an incredible movement. And the more we get, more we can do. And I was even talking to Derek about definitely wanting to him to be involved in the future if possible because his understanding of megalithics in ancients is critically important. We want to bring together like the greatest heroes of our ancient history and our spiritual, energetic understanding and bring them all together to do something really special. And that's what we want to do. So if you want to be a part of that and check it out, go to the stageoftime.com. There's a documentary section. And if you want to see my work, you can find it through that or my YouTube channel at Matthew LaCroix. And I appreciate you, Derek. All the work you do, to me,

you're one of the great heroes here, my friend. Thank you for the kind words. And Matthew's also on Instagram at the stage of time. Thank you. I want to follow him there. And I think you're on Facebook and all that good stuff. So I'm sure you can find your book on your website and on Amazon. Yeah, sorry, I didn't even mention that, right? You can find my books on, and thank you. You can find I'm at books on my website on Amazon, and I just released my newest book called, like you said, The Epic of Humanity, which has all the timelines and all kinds of Q&A form tablets and the hardcover edition is now available with all color copies. It's absolutely incredible. So make sure you check that out. Great work, Matthew. Thanks again. And looking forward to doing this again

in the future. Thank you so much, Derek. I appreciate this conversation. Thanks, everyone.