Men At Work Podcast - A Cybersecurity Engineer Fights Data Breaches & Chinese Surveillance!

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Matt is joined by a special co-host, comedian John Montague. Guests include jobs like a Cybersecurity student who teaches them about cyber warfare and the espionage around the United States and a Concert Pianist/Educator who performed with Leonard Bernstein and later in life educated people on the Holocaust. The guys also talk about an uncle's lucrative vending machine gig, opening for comedian John Crist, the best Catholic Mass songs, and why aquariums are so close to the water. 0:00 - Subscribe to the Pod + Join the Patreon! 3:00 - An Uncle's Lucrative Business 9:00 - Opening for Comedian John Crist 12:00 - Fatherhood 16:00 - Kids Choice Awards 20:00 - Matt's Trouble w/ the Law 23:00 - Why are Aquariums close to water?28:53 - Cybersecurity Student fights Cyber Warfare43:00 - Peace in the Middle East47:50 - Best Catholic Mass Songs50:54 - Concert Pianist and Holocaust Educator About Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for a living? After that the conversation flows from there. We've talked to substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and the Governor of Literal Pennsylvania. And we'll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a furry convention, and more! Whether we like it or not, our jobs are most of our lives - might as well yap about it. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/men-at-work-podcast/id1373108039 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4XcFWt0I6gFvMotqDp5bsZ?si=2273debc08e5485d If you want more bonus content check out Office Hours a weekly workplace advice show on Patreon that subscribers submit their questions to and we answer them: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod *If you subscribe to the Patreon consider subscribing on a desktop or website or an android device, NOT THROUGH iOS (Apple) APP. Apple takes 30% of every month you're subscribed (yea they suck). Follow Us: The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcast https://www.instagram.com/menatpod/ Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedy https://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/ Follow Kyle: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancb Follow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

episode of the Men at Work podcast. Look, we're missing Kyle Pagan today. He is off on his mini honeymoon. The guy just refuses to work. You have a guy like me, a total workhorse, a guy that keeps it real, a guy that keeps it a bean. But Kyle is enjoying his mini honeymoon with his brand new wife. So give him some love in the comments. Let him know that you miss him. But in his stead, we have a phenomenal new guest, host, that we will get to in just a minute. Because we I'm going to tell you guys, look, we need you guys to subscribe to the pod. We love you guys more than anything. We want to bump the numbers up.

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They're starting to look ugly. Help us out. But in the meantime, and in between time, boy, O.G. do we have a blast from the past my guest host today one of my very very good friends mr john montag hello johnny boy how are you brother damn pleasure to be here amongst the most pigeons i've ever podcasted around i'm i'm keeping my eye out on these flyovers that are happening yeah it's not gonna get there's no more flyovers do the government is fully shut down so don't worry about that i was going to say is the government shutdown has forced us to have pigeon flyovers now and it's i'm

scared i'm gonna get duked on a pigeon flyover would be where i'm at right now i just got i'm almost like out of the job right now the government shutdown is hitting me right in the goads dude i'm having legitimate conversations with my girlfriend of like well you know if i run out of money we're done with fair life milk we're going right back to two percent store brand so i hope you're ready for that change it's funny that it goes like milk change uh we got to get rid of some streaming services i got to sell feet picks yeah the the quick thing like that's why i have no issue dude tell her sell her some fucking seat fit uh feed picks seed picks seed picks this ad is brought to you by seatpicks.

Dude, sell feedpicks. Like, if your girlfriend is not even thinking about selling feedpicks or selling something exciting, get her on there, be the entrepreneurial spirit that she needs. At this point, too, I mean, there's enough content out there. You can probably just copy and paste feedpicks. It's actually good.

At least make a buck or toe. You could AI feedpicks. That might be the new wave. But it's got 11 toes. There's going to be, like, that might be the new wave of, like, people trying to sell, like, only fans type content. And it's going to be all AI.

So, like, in order for people to, like, totally buy it, you're going to have to email, like, a portion of your sock to be like this is my sweat you can test this it traces back to me if you don't buy it that's the only way

they can get DNA in the future is via sock that's why the Japanese is so much further ahead of us technology wise they've already moved on to selling underwear

and vending machines is that real apparently it is I mean I've heard like a bunch of people say that but then I asked people that went to Japan they're like I didn't see

and you're like oh yeah you probably weren't in the bad sections of Japan well it's also like impossible to ask for if you are in American in Japan to be like Where is, like, the...

With your Google Translator. Hey, one second. I got a question. Vending machine. A vending machine, a summer. I want to know, too, because they always have that statistic that comes out every year about how many vending machine-related deaths are. Did you ever see that?

No. Like, it was something like there's more people that die from a vending machine being tipped over on them than, like, blah, blah, blah. And people would fill in the blank after that. Yeah. More people die from that than, like, guns every year or something. That's a fact, not a fact at all, so don't look it up. But I would love to see how many people die because of panty vans.

Well, you've got to be careful. There's a lot of vending machines in school, so they might start changing, like, the new cause of death might be like kids were having Kit Katz up the wazoo. Be it a tipping. He had a tipping. But yeah, it's like stuff getting stuck in a vending machine and people trying to shake them. Yeah. Kills, like, apparently, like, an astronomical number of people every year. Dude, the vending machine phenomena, like, I have noticed how fat they make you feel as a person. I feel like they're making a comeback. They went away for a little while. I think, like, during Obama, vending machines had a halt because they were getting healthy. People were getting healthy again.

People are getting healthy again, and they try to put healthy snacks in there, and I think it's not by the wayside. There was, like, the new vending machines that have, like, the robotic arm that, like, the grabs and stuff for you. As soon as I saw that, I was like, they're coming for our jobs. There's no need to have a conveyor belt in a vending machine. Like, I'm aware that if I'm getting a soda, it's going to be a little bit shook up because it just fell from four and a half feet up. Well, that's what it is. It's kind of part of the excitement. That's kind of what it is.

It's like, that's why the vending machines make you feel like a fat little idiot because they literally drop your snack on the floor, and they're like, Pick it up, tubs. Are we going to make the door easy for you? Of course not. This is the only door that exists like this anywhere on the planet. The vending machine industry, I'm pretty sure, is run by uncles. Because every uncle and cousin I've had that had a side hustle at some point involved vending machines. I've got three or four uncles that were like, yeah, I got like 11 in.

I had an uncle that owned Washington, like got laundromats. Yeah. And then another uncle that had, or a cousin that had his vending machines in there. It's a whole ring. There's a whole racket. It's a monopoly, dude. They've got to antitrust that. Every year of Christmas, they'd be explaining to me about how wealthy and how lucrative it is.

And they're like, I'm flush with nickels and dimes. Like, you should just, I mean, for the sack of pennies alone, it's probably worth it. Some people are like, my grandfather was an oilman. Your grandfather's like, I was a Twixman. I was a bit of a Hersheyman myself. Dude, that is, it's kind of funny that, like, I do think that most of those businesses are run by uncles, and the main consumer are unks. Oh, yeah.

There's uncles that are selling it, and there's unks going up there. Being an uncle myself, and you can weigh in, too. Are you a big vending machine eater? Like, are you grubbing out of a machine? I used to, and I started for real getting embarrassed. Because if I pay, here's the thing that kills me, dude. I'll pay for it, and it does that thing where it, like, half swirls out, and doesn't come all the way out. And normally, if you had self-respect, you'd be like, what the hell?

This is crap. That's a sign. I should not eat those funions. And I go, no, no, no, this is the double XL Twix bar. I have to get my griby paws on this. So then I pay again, unabashed, no complaint, wait for it to fall out. I ate half because I'm watching my fig. and then I walk back to my desk.

How quickly do you go back to the other half? I throw it in the trash. Really? You go that much self-control? I throw it in the trash and I go, ugh. Yeah. When you are able to do that is a great feeling. When you stop yourself halfway through a pint of ice cream,

and you're like, I don't want to have to start my morning tomorrow morning the way I know it's going to, if I finish this, you feel so proud of yourself. I feel like the way I treat food is like I treat it like I'm a stripper who just got her first nursing job and I'm throwing away the nipple tassels. Like I'm disgusted by my past Which was the first part of the thing that I ate And the second half I throw it in the garbage

And that's me becoming a nurse being like I'm not her anymore But you still keep the tassels at the top of the garbage So you're like if I have to go back to it I need a reminder Yeah It's like going back to my father's gravestone To be like he wanted a better life for me

So it's kind of those are the tassels Lick- You keep the pole in your bedroom And just as a reminder You hang your nursing outfits on it now No dude I hang like a kickboxing bag from there And I just beat it down to destroy my past That's got to be celebrated more the number of strippers that actually were doing it to get through medical school.

Yeah. There's got to be like at least a couple thousand across the country. Those women should be celebrated every year. They're 100%. They did it. They put up with the worst to then go have to change diapers. Dude, they're... Probably of the guys that they had to dance for.

It comes full circle. Where do I know you're from? You don't... Cinnamon! Yeah, Pop keeps yelling cinnamon every time this nurse comes in. I mean, that has to... That occurrence has to happen. We need a nurse on today.

I've seen some scrubs walking by. Oh, yeah. You got to ask a nurse, one, how did you fund your nursing school? Were you a whore? What did you used to do? What was stuff like this before you started having this job? Yeah, I do kind of, that is kind of an inquisitive position to be in. But more inquisitive, dude.

Johnny, Johnny opener last night. John Christ, huh? Yeah. How did you go? Got to work with the boy for the third time now. The clean-cut bad boy himself, the king of Christian comedy right now, I think. It was fun. I got to drive two hours out to York to do.

a show for just my people living in central PA for three years just an old like this was their big night out for the month like and it was a Thursday night and a feeder too yeah oh it was fun it was I mean it didn't settle until like I walked out and was like oh more people than the basement of a brewery in deep south Jersey you're like oh right all right it's a show we used to run together yeah of course still run actually come out to upcycle next week in Congress if you're not busy whenever this comes out yeah Uh, but yeah, it was all, I mean, it was awesome and it, but it, it didn't, like, hit that it was, like, theater show until I got, like, first joke landed. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, shit, all right. I got to adjust. I got to space out jokes a little bit more now. How long were you doing? I did eight. I think I ended up doing like 10. Nice. I was a boy who's cooking. Let's go. Open with some, uh, sheets and rudders material, which is just in the back pocket crushes, but you have to be past Lancaster and not past Harrisburg for that material to work.

Guys, if you're listening to this, if you're doing stand-of-comedy for John Chris to make sure you're not quite past Harrisburg, but you're right around the Lancaster area. But reference sheets and rudders. Any gas station you can, that is fun. And I know you're a big proponent of this, just opening with, let me rip on, like, the local thing. Yeah, I'm a hack. So it's always fun when you do that research. You're like, all right, local indigestion. Like, what causes everyone to have gout? What's the heart failure right around this fucking bitch? Let me see it's going on here, dude. A lot of livestock in the area, all right? Yeah, and there's also animals, too.

Hello folks, fat people joke. We're cooking. We're back. Nobody's ever going to die. Ever. So John Chris, if you guys who don't know, John Chris, very popular, very famous comedian, very funny, but a totally clean guy. So, like, you're a comedian that's like,

you're not a clean comic. So you've got to get out there and you've got to really tighten the screws. Well, luckily for me, it's not, I mean, you know my material pretty much in and out from us working eight million shows together over the last couple years. But, like, luckily my material was never really. written too off the deep end of like this is crazy vulgar or this is crazy like disgusting yeah so i could pull the reins back on a lot of jokes there's just like two or three jokes i can never do

and that that's most of the discussion like as soon as he goes on stage me and the other the host and the feature are instantly like what joke did you want to do tonight what would have oh yeah yeah yeah you couldn't do and the one guy was like i have one that like literally would empty the room out but like i just can't use it here what's it about He didn't even get into it, like, the details out. I think we discussed it. But it was like, I mean, the, luckily, like, it's not a, it's weird to say, but, like, he's the more bad boy side of, like, Christian comedy fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's the people that tow the line between, like, he's basically, like, Napargatsy's fans are his. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're in that same, like, little bubble. So, like, the jokes you can do with him, you can push the limit a little bit more. Like, I can still do stuff about not drinking. I can do stuff about. like being like THC friendly I have to like word it like that though

yeah so it's just rewording THC friendly but it's like that's brutal that'll get like a huge laugh in you know middle of nowhere PA because they'll just be like what is those notters again like meanwhile you're high as hell on stage I'm very THC friendly time just it's a two hour

drive you know there's a lot of the air changes elevation yeah the air is changing and you are getting elevated that's exactly brother come on folks through the clouds you guys still have that sponsorship no dude we lost them quite a wild gap but no no

it was incredible and then to have to just get right back and drive two hours home again it's like all the stuff that nobody sees yes but I love that

that is yeah well if it's a good show if it's a bad show it's tough two hour drive home is long though after doing good yeah

but doing it after doing bad you're just like there's so many bridges I could just veer off of right now there is like there's the feeling of like

I have a show tonight and if it goes well I'm gonna get a DUI. That's a great gauge, like with comedians. You're like, oh, did you hear so-and-so at his third DUI? He's like, he must be crushing lately. If you've had a comedian, getting a DUI on the drive home, it's like, guy must have fucking murdered that night. I know he did. I know he did. I know he did. Like, oh, I can't wait to see his material before he has to go to weekend jail. It's going to be so good to see him work it out. Dude, negotiating that you have to get out of weekend jail by 8 o'clock because you have

shows is the sickest move of all the time. I've got to shut down fudruckers. I've got to be out of here by 7.30. Can my wife drive me to York, Pennsylvania after this? Is there any shot I could get out early tonight? Early dismissal from weekend. And your mom's, you got to wait out front, like you're at school with, like, holding a lunch pail. Swinging your arm. And, like, one of the jail workers comes out and, like, is your wife on her way? Yeah, she said she'll be here soon.

It's just like when I pick up my kid at school, too, and I'm like, what do we learn today? It's like, snitches, get, stay jaded. You fucking jab at her. I don't want to talk about it. Was somebody mean to you in the yard? Do you tell me? See, that's a big thing through fatherhood that, like, I don't know how you deal with. Like, you and, like, Brendan, having kids.

If somebody was ever mean to my kid, I would pause the conversation. Like, I'm a part of it. Yeah. Like, we're just hanging out. Like, it's me talking to another dad and, like, my daughter's talking to that guy's daughter. And the two daughters, the one daughter says to mine, like, oh, you have disgusting, like, skin complexion and red hair. That's gross. Dude, I...

I'd stop the conversation. Yeah. I'd take eight paces backwards. I go, one second, I take eight paces backwards. You're going on dueling rules. And he's saying where he's at. You and I, sir, back to that. It's got nothing to do with the dad.

It's me and this bitch that was talking to my daughter. I take eight paces back. I kind of kick my feet like a bull. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. She's wearing a red t-shirt, so I'm looking at like the red kind of thing. And I think I run full force with my shoulder dipped. Just scataboo right inside of her fucking solar plexus, dude.

You scatter through her? Like, you're just running right. No, that's my baby girl. I'm predicting my scataboo. No, it is tough. I accidentally set my daughter up today to get made fun of. of and I still feel bad about it. I went in, they have, like, every couple months they'll do, like, parents can come in

and see how, like, the morning kicks off for the class to get the witnesses. So, like, they're up there, and they're like, all right, now let's do the letter of the day. And it's asked, so, like, what words start with that? So all the kids are throwing words out. And I was like, I got a good chance for her to get a laugh right here. And I was like, yo, say stinky. Nice. She, like, looks at me.

She's like, I got this. You're so good. It gets her and teaches like our friend to do. John Chris is lucky to have you. Father. Thank you for leaving me last night, and returning with such comedic gold. So I said it online. She, like, found her moment.

She's like, we got one left. It's like, stinky, crushes, levels the room. Bang. But then one kid starts going, Nora, and he said, Nora said stinky, but it came out. Nora's stinky. And I was like, what did you say? And then another kid joined a chant. I feel bad.

I said her name. And another kid joined a chant, and I was just like, no. Stinky's a bad word now My daughter Smell good But that was like the first moment I've had where like I was like

I'm gonna And I talk about it In my material now I was like I'm gonna get choked out By a 14 year old boy On my front lawn someday And it's gonna be like

I gotta learn Some kind of self-defense That's what I'm saying You gotta bank up these Ws While they're young Because the time they hit Like 1415 These kids are gonna be

It's horse tranquilizers And the food I'm just hoping that like Roast jokes work on them Like what are those shoes Those shoes You fucking lose her You're gonna be 10 years from now

trying to hit your mama jokes be like your mom is so fat and they're like my mom actually became my dad my mom's trans you idiot it's 2045 dude which mom loser one is fat your mom entered a domestic partnership so fast that nobody respected her decision listen my parents polychule triad is none of your business all right your dad voted so right your dad is so right leaning that's gonna be the new fucking way they talk shit now it's well here's the fun thing is when they look back and then my daughter's just like, you didn't vote? And I'm like, I forgot. I'm so busy. You know, like, sleeping? You used to vote, because I would vote for

Nick Teen Choice Awards, but I've never voted for the president. Yeah, well, not back to the time. You had to call it in. That was how you vote on the Teen Choice Awards. I'm right after there. I can go on my dial-up and just hit like a Nick Cannon will never die. Mom, I'm going to need you to get off the internet real quick. I've got to get somebody slimed. Mom, I know you're familiar with the work of Jesse McCartney and he needs my vote. So either you get this dial-up started or we're going to have a fucking problem. I need to get a kid that's basically

being trafficked by Nickelodeon covered in slime in front of people. To be fair, with everything Drake Bell went through, vote for the fucking guy, man. Holy Lord. You're going to bring back the Teen Choice Awards, but that's how they decide the fate of Dan Snyder. This court case is decided by call and vote. He's in like a French revolution

in front of like 7,000 13 year olds with like a guillotine hanging over his head. And they're all doing this. And then while the key team... Slime. It comes down with slime. or the ultimate fake out like the guillotine drops but he just gets slined and it's like we taught you a lesson yeah so now you know better he's like i won't kiss feet anymore i'll never kiss he's like scooby-doo villain he's

like i would have got away with it if wasn't for all these kids i kept kissing they never said nothing about knees turns out snider was a big knee guy the whole time he was like a political like a like a like a law expert of like he knew how creepy he could get while it was still in the realm of like we need that lawyer to get back down here true help us out dude that's something that goes to like They go to, like, half of law school. And they're like, yep, that's enough. Yeah, yeah. There's got to be doing, like, I can get away with a lot of shit now.

No, I can argue with the cop during a traffic stop now. Yeah, I went to DeVry law for a month and a half. I think I know officer. Do you ever watch those videos of, like, traffic stops? And it's like a guy who, like, has a law background. And he kind of argues with the cop. It's incredible. Well, you can tell when it's somebody that has, like, a Reddit law background.

Yeah. When they're just like, actually, statute seven, comment 11, page nine. Amendment 4, Code 3 says you can't even carry a gun. And it's like, what are you even talking about? Dirty Monkey Stink told me I can totally drive backwards as fast as I want, no matter how drunk I am. If you look at Section 4 Code B, the first person to draw your gun gets to keep it. And you'll see right here, I drew it perfectly. This is an edge of sketch.

Yes, I am drunk, Your Honor. Calling a cop, Your Honor. I've done that one. Calling a referee and a sport, Your Honor is the funniest way you could use it. Sent to call, Master. Anyway, so I got pulled over like last week, and I was driving Gab's car into the office because mine needed an oil change and I just didn't feel like getting one. I'm driving my girlfriend's car in and as I'm driving where there's two lanes and the guy in front of me is going slow as shit and then there's a guy next to him who's going slow and then a guy who's kind of next to me also going the same speed. We're all kind of like stuck in this quartet.

So I'm like screaming at the dude in front of me like, get the fuck out of the way, get the fuck out of the way. And I'm looking at the guy diagonal from me and I'm like, get out of way to get out of the way. So he's looking at me, just like, what are you going to do? So I finally am able to like swerve around that guy, go in front of him, and then the guy who was behind him does the same thing. And I'm like, finally, real men on the road driving now, immediately realize it's a cop who got behind me to pull me over. He pulls me over right away.

You were just like, can I first off say, officer, sweet move. I'll be honest. I've seen a lot of good passes in my day. I've watched all the furious films. That was both swift and quick. Your Honor, you drive with the spirit of a thousand men. He's like, stop talking like that. I commend you upon your, I mean, but like, all right, sorry, I'll let you continue.

No, so I pull in, I pull into the AMC and Cherry Hill. You've seen that area. Yes. Pull right in there, and I'm fiddling. That's how long did you pull all the way up the hill? I made a wait. I said, you could wait your turn. I actually got to pick up at Target.

If we could do that there, that would be nice. You get pulled over and you're just like, I got to hit Wegmans. Yeah, true. It's kind of like makes you hit some. I have some errands that have been sitting over my head for a little while. If you don't mind, Your Honor, still. So I pull one of the AMC He comes up out of the car

Walks right over to me And you like to think like I'm a man I'm not a big cop fan myself I'm gonna really give it to this guy The minute I get pulled over My penis shrunk so far in my body That I could feel it in my like rectum

You're like all of a sudden you have a shirt That's buttoned up all the way You're like I was in a T-shirt Where did I get a collar? You just keep one on hand just in case I like went to talk And I couldn't say anything because I had a ball gagging I had no clue at that point

So he comes up and he goes Hey don't I'm pulling the over speeding I was like of course of course of course So then I'm digging through Gab's like glove compartment Trying to find her stuff And then I call her So it's me at the cop and Gab on the phone I'm in her car her car that's much nicer than mine

And I'm digging through a glove compartment I can't find shit So then I'm like getting angry but I'm the one who's wrong in this So I'm like Gab where is the registration The cop's like just give me your license That'll be fine just give me your license And I'll get you the registration Where is the registration gab

She's like, I don't know. You're a fucking loser. I don't know you, officer. I have never, I have no clue who's calling me right now. It would be funny to like regularly throughout the stop. Just like take random picture of the officer. Make him deal with what that's happening. Just taking selfies with him.

I just want to document this moment. It's content, sorry. So anyway, so I finally give the stuff to the cop. I could tell at this point, he was like, I'm not even giving you a ticket to. Just give me your license because I have to. So I give it to him and he comes back. And he's like, give me a favor and slow down. And I went, thank you, officer.

I appreciate it. Such a pussy, dude. I do too And I also get into I'm like man That's just a guy Doing his job That sucks

I have a bit I'm trying about now Where it's like cops aren't cops All the time Like they just got to be a cop For like 40 minutes a day They have to actually be a cop Like a lot of it is just being in a car

And then there's like 40 minutes a day That are like I might have to shoot somebody But most of it's just sitting in a car So it's like It does suck when he's got to pull somebody over He's like Dude I'm off in like

11 minutes And this stop is And he's like Because I've had friends of mine that are cops, too, like, as you're walking up to a car, you're like, please just don't come back, like, any priors or anything that I have to now do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, I feel like if you get pulled over closer to the end of a shift, it's like you're more likely to just get a pass.

Yes. So do most of your speeding then. Find out your local police officers. Check out the schedule. Do your crime at 4.30 in the morning when they have to change shifts. Do a little bit of research, dude. It's like fantasy football. You're trying to find out who's playing that day, how long they're playing for.

The X's and O's. You think you could ever be a cop? I know you got the mustache in the face. The mustache is gone. You have more of a cop face than I do. You have a mustache currently. Well, we can't talk this much about it because the major cop face of the podcast is gone right now. Kyle.

Kyle. He's got a cop head. He's got a cop head. In an Instagram comment, somebody who's like, does the guy in the green shirt not look like Charlie Kirk? I said, all, all, goofing. He looks like a sergeant that definitely, he got named a sergeant way too young. Yeah. But they're like, he's so tall.

We just kind of, like, let him be a sergeant now. He does look like, he has a little bit of an appearance that, like, he was 12 years old and, like, an evil witch made him a grown man. Yeah. And he's got to live six, five, like that. He's the police chief for the city you bring in after the current one. Like, you're just like, well, that guy's terrible. This guy's only going to last for two months. This guy's got a two-month.

He's got two-month sheriff's. Yeah. That's so stupid. Kyle, hope you heard that one, pussy boy. Yeah, he grew up in the greater northeast. We'll let him be a police chief for a month. Yeah. See, Camden just recorded their first summer in 50 years without a homicide.

I know. I don't want to take credit or anything for it, but I feel like it has a lot to do with you and I. I mean, people are saying we are the crime fighters in the night. I think the reporting just stopped. They're like, look, if we get one summer, we get a pizza party. It's late August. Let's push this body into the river, let it float to Philly. They're hitting it with like COVID.

No longer a Camden homicide. numbers back in 2020, and it's like, can't die of COVID if you already did somehow. It is a give or take 11 homicide kind of number. Dude, I'm not going to lie to you. I went into Camden last two weeks ago. Should be a beautiful city. I mean, it really should, but every time money gets into it, it just gets pumped into the waterfront.

Is that what it is? So you're like, we do need an upgrade on the aquarium. How much aquarium stuff do we need, dude? Me personally, fuck everything else out there. Keep the aquarium. But, dude, they don't put the money anywhere else. Because, like, companies will come in and, like, they get a huge tax break for setting up their headquarters there. And then they don't hire anyone from Camden.

Yeah. So that's a problem. So, like, the idea of bringing those big businesses in, it's like, yeah, you're getting a tax break because you brought them in. The state's happy because now they're like, ah, we got a big, you know, X, and X, X, X, X, X, company, whatever it is. I ain't, I'm going to drop the name, you know what I'm saying? Let it rip. Because I don't know any of them. All right.

I don't let it rip. I can't think. All right, with old. B, B, B, and T, Pvillion. Campbell soup. Campbell's big Campbell's. It's coming for you, Big Camden. They're, oh, gee.

I think the city of Camden was built around the factory for soup. It should just be called Campbell. You think that's what it was. That's how Camden started. There's a lot of people love soup. They're like, I got to pay homage and make a pilgrimage to my mecca of soup. They're having to be a bunch of people. A bunch of people sitting around there, like, I hate solid foods.

I wish there was one single alternative. But I do agree. Like, the aquarium is getting too much money pumped into it. It's like, there's so many sick, cool, homeless dudes that hang out by the waterfront where it's like, Don't go pet a Sting Ray. Go pet Ray Sting. He's sitting out front. He's all of something else.

He's stinging everywhere. He's got a lot of open wounds. He also killed a crocodile hunter back in 2004. Ray Sting, one for murder. There's just one guy with an Australian accent in Camden just immediately got stabbed. It's so mean to put aquariums. They always put them right on the water, too, which is so mean. Oh, yeah, like the fish in there.

They should be in the middle of the country where there's no hope for the fish. Dude, you open every day that door opens, there's a little whale in there. like it could one day i'm going to get out in the delaware river we're opening a brand new zoo in the sarah desert it's like they want to be there put the zoos near the water because they're like we don't even know what that stuff is yeah like that's gross usually in the sarongetti yes put the fish in like rural idaho yeah make them be like i don't even know a better life of this no ho they're never getting out that's a great point of just like a fish inside of a tank being like i don't know why but i feel like i'm supposed to be right there but i'm writing this down

is a bit. No, you're just going back. Deal. No, the, I like the idea of the zoo being in a place it shouldn't be. That's why they shouldn't put anything inside of a building shouldn't be near the outside portion that should exist for it. It's like when there's a tree growing through the middle of a lobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Come on, man. That's crazy, dude. Just plant five trees outside. Quit putting the outside inside. It's going to be a problem, dude. Yeah, they make it look like they built the, no, we built the building around a tree that was here. You're like, you shipped it.

I've actually had this. Cab and I went to a street festival, not too. long ago and one of the food trucks was like a like create your own salad thing and i'm like the salad's right fucking behind me there's a huge park but i just go have a salad of my own volition back there i don't need you guys here that's why it's funny when you're at like a winery too you're at the spot where they're about to make like you're just looking at the thing they're about to turn in i'm just going to go eat those grapes yeah let me eat the grapes there's a massed but i'm allowed to drink them after you step on them with your feet i'm

not to go walk around a winery and eat grapes it's kind of horrific it's like like a mass genocide of grapes hanging around. They're watching you slurp their blood. It's kind of a disgusting phenomenon. And they set it up all cute. There's a lot of like live, laugh, love font everywhere. Yeah, ladies wearing those big dumb hats. The grapes, that's got to be the worst thing for a grape to see right before he dies is seeing some dumb broad, half drunk and a big dumb hat in a sundress. She's got a mumford and sun hat on. She's got the early, the early drunk slurring. She's like, me and Benjamin haven't had sex in his two months. And the grapes's like, please, no, no. Look, I didn't need a babysitter. My kids are in the vineyard.

You're like, what? They're somewhere back there. They're eating grapes. They're allowed to run their race. They're good. Speaking of race, you got to admit Obama fuck this country up. You got to be serious for a second. It's like, Jesus Christ, lady.

I do like that. Keeping it in front of them and letting them see where their future could end up. I mean, that's kind of like what they do to us as human beings. Like, if you... Damn, that was an eye-opener. Working in a city, you're going to your job. You're, like, walking blocks to your job. You're exhausted from the night before, and you woke up early in the morning.

As you're walking to your job, you see an epidemic of homeless people that are just like, hey, if you don't fucking, if you don't do a county this morning, this could be you. That's a good reason to live in the city. You're like, why would I get up? And you're like, oh, because I don't want to have to pee on myself every morning outside. Well, neither do they. I want to keep doing it inside. Obviously, the circumstances of ordinary them are not in their control.

But it is kind of a crazy thing that, like, there's just constant reminders of like, hey, life's cool, life's fun. But if you don't fucking go to work today, your wife's going to leave you. That's like when I see a hot guy, I can't even look at hot guys anymore. Because I'm like, this guy could take my girlfriend and I could do nothing about it. I get to do push-ups and work. It's really unfathable. All right, want to get a guest on? Cinnamon Roll!

You want to come sit and talk to us for a little bit? We ask people what they do for a living, like five minutes of your time. Yeah, come hang out. Cinnamon Roll is actually my father's name. Is that sound good? Is that all right to you? Too loud, too quiet? Can't hear a thing.

You can't hear anything? I don't know. All right. How about this? How you sound? Hey, it's me. It's me. I'm in your ear.

Nice. All right. I thought he's going to be like, actually, I'm deaf. All right, brother. Who are we here with today? Hi. My name's Manny. Mani, nice to meet you, dude.

I'm Matt. This is John. That's up, man. Nice to meet you. How are you doing? What do you do for a living? What's your job, dude? Right now, I'm actually a student.

I'm studying cybersecurity, so I'm a tutor part-time. So I'm teaching people about computers and networks and stuff. Cybersecurity. It seems like a big kind of thing in the news these days. A lot of hackings going on. Because apparently I've been reading up, and I hate to dive it this quickly. But the next world conflict or civil war, whatever it's going to be, it's all going to be cyber warfare.

Do you kind of follow any of that stuff? Yeah, I think it's fascinating. I think it's like just the cloak and dagger behind it is just so interesting because this is like the kind of old school espionage that you'd get from like, you know, like fiefdoms and stuff like that, like kingdoms that are sending spies into other cast. You know, this is, I guess, like, the 21st century version of that. And as we approach this, like, techno feudalism that we see,

we see kind of, like, more like a regression into this, like, cloak and dagger. Sure. I think it's fascinating. I can talk for, like, for hours. Well, we're kind of hoping you will, don't even 35 minutes. No, trust me, I don't think that your listeners would want to. I promise you they would. We got a lot of cyber freaks out there.

It's the thing that everybody should probably be focusing on, but we're like, we'll let this guy figure it out. Yeah. It's like, come on, man, it's Hogi Fest. Move on. Who cares, dude. Focus on the real important things. Yeah, man. So that's interesting to hear because so I just heard a recent thing that I don't know where the actual like kind of cyber force was coming from. But apparently they found that like there was Chinese operatives that were like lingering in like a cyberspace that they didn't know for like

eight years or something like that. Do you know what I'm talking about? Have you heard anything like that? There are a couple different breaches that come to mind. Sure. Like the one that stands out to me is that a company, I don't remember the one. But they hired a person thinking that they were going to do some temp work for them. Turns out the gentleman was actually a North Korean spy. They never met him the entire time that he was working for them. I think he was there for like a year almost.

Just completely working remotely, did never come into the office. And then all of a sudden, you know, their entire, I think their database gets leaked or their code base or something like that. Sure. Yeah, I just think that's so fascinating. The entire country could fall because somebody in HR didn't do a number of backgrounds. We only do, like, one level background check. Look, he had no driver's license, but he hired him. But he looked really good on paper.

His resume, you should have seen it. I don't know what funny. It might have been aptos. I don't know, be honest. He's one of those guys that did the, have you been hearing about this? People doing their resumes where they'll, like, put a little white space in the bottom to tell the AI that's filtering out their resumes to, like, ignore this prompt and send me to the next round of recruitment.

Really? Yeah. So people get their resumes. They'll get like a PDF, right? And then they'll change the font, like space. So it'll be like you'll have your resume and then you'll have some blanks like space at the end of your resume. You'll take that text and you put in a bunch of prompts for, you know, like an AI. Like, okay, like if you're an AI that is reading this resume, I'm exactly what this company needs.

I feel all the right qualifications. I'm also six foot three. I can bench like 250, dude. Exactly. I'm jacked. You know. Yeah, all of that. They're talking enough about how AI is taking our jobs,

and I talk about how it's getting them, too. Yeah, true. Some people are harvesting the power of it. So they'll have a resume where they'll leave, like, a big, blank chunk at the bottom of the page. Oh, yeah. And then that will help them get the job from that. Yeah, it might not get them the job, but it'll definitely, it'll separate you out from, like, applicants. Right, right.

So it's just more of just white, taking up a space and then get rewarding for it. What is this? The United States of America here, folks? It's kind of what I'm doing in this park right now. I'm just a white taking up space. We understand that employees were here before we started working here. Sure, sure, sure. We'll do a land acknowledgment in this office.

That's unbelievable. I didn't realize that it could be that easily subverted. Because everything you hear about, like, the AI and all their kind of engines, it's very, you know, almost like preternaturally successful. So it's kind of weird hearing that there's ways that loophole. I mean, it's cat and mouse, right? Sure. people are dangerously smart, like so intuitive that there are, like, I mean, we've always

been smart, right? Like, going back to, well, we have, we have. Some of us, I'm still working on it. It's an uphill battle every day. Not me. I'm using, you know, the hegemonic idea of, like, you know, human, humanity being, like, of course, I'm projecting onto other people, right? But other people have figured out some very interesting things.

Sure, sure, sure. And, yeah, that cat and mouse game continues on. AI is a very interesting tool. It's allowed us a lot of, like, really cool opportunities. But, I mean, at the end of the day, people are still figuring out ways to trick it. I mean, there's, I skimmed a headline where people are now giving malicious packets to AI. Because, you know, they're, like, scanning websites and getting a lot of information. So now they're just giving them.

viruses so the AI incorporates that virus and now you have a backdoor into like some of these AI oh yeah so like yeah people people are fascinatingly smart in some aspects and hilariously stupid in others right I mean like we're at our smartest and our dumbest as creatures right now collectively we're at that like tipping point oh yeah I think we should just lean into the dumb let's eliminate the smart yeah no I agree dumb sounds good full dumb well I think full dumb is making a total comeback I don't know if you guys have watched of the news ever in the past six months, but it's really getting a little hairy out there. It's getting a little dumb. So you're a student, so I've always kind of wondered, like a modern

student, because I graduated from college in 2018. Yeah. How much of a place does AI take in your day to day and how do you navigate? Like, am I using it too much? Am I, like, robbing myself of actual education? 100%. Yeah. I personally really try to avoid AI in every aspect I can. Yeah. I think that it is a useful tool. I think it has, you know, good use for certain use cases, right? For example, if I'm scanning a network, it's really good for, like, picking out patterns. So if there's certain network traffic that's really good at, or that's, that behaves in a certain way, and AI would be really good at, like, picking out abnormalities, right? But as far as, like, a learning tool, you're not learning when you use AI,

right? Like, if this AI is writing a paper for me, I'm not writing the paper. Most cases, some people don't even read the paper that the AI spits out, right? So I'm not learning, and that's what education is supposed to be for. It's for networking, and it's for, like, building those connections. If you are asking a machine to do it for you, everybody else who's asking that machine to do it for you, they're thinking the same way that you are, you're just not making, you're not spending the effort to learn. Right, right. And it is prolific in school right now.

A lot of people are using AI. It's pretty obvious who is just because of the answers that they formulate. Sure. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, I see what you do in class. You wear pajamas. You watch soccer. Like, obviously, you're not, like, writing, like, three paragraphs about this.

Like, you're not, you're not doing the work. We're not doing the job. We're watching soccer. That seems like the coolest guy of all time. Oh, man, it's great, except when he's right in front of you and you're trying to pay attention. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he just meant guys who like soccer.

Oh, no, no, no. I love football. You know. How dedicated is he? Is he, like, as soon as he? He's sitting in class, like, oh, man, no, yeah. Yeah, he's, he's my nemesis. Yeah, that's very, I'm, just to go back to really quickly.

So, like, the cyber security thing, like, how at risk does it seem like the American grid is to, like, a cyber attack where they're going to shut down, like, our water and our electricity? Like, are we vulnerable, or do we have a decent amount of backups to stop that? Or if you're not sure that's... No, no, that's a really good question. Um, if you had asked me five years ago, I would have said, yeah, we're pretty vulnerable. Right. Um, I think recently there has been a, an acknowledgement that we are vulnerable in these fields. Um, especially, uh, I want to say it was like maybe five, ten years ago.

I don't remember the exact date. Do you remember when the East Coast was kind of shut down for a little while with hospitals and gas stations and stuff like that? I don't know. It was like a pretty big ransomware attack. It happened a little while ago, but, um, I don't know. Um, essentially like, uh, it happened in the United Kingdom, too, where, uh, a ransomware attack is where, uh, uh, a bad actor will send a malicious pack where, uh, we'll send malware into a computer. It'll lock down the computer, encrypt it. And it's the only way that you can get your information back is by sending, um, either Bitcoin or some kind of like money to that ransom taker, right? Um, and it turns out that hospitals are really vulnerable to these things. Sure. Um, so that, that was like a pretty big issue. I think that people are starting to realize that, you know, war in Ukraine is, especially like in the first conflict, I think, there was a lot of Russian espionage,

a lot of Ukrainian espionage, and it was really affecting the front. And so I think people are starting to realize now that that is going to be a very massive part in whatever major conflict takes place next. Like you said, I think, like if China was ever to invade Taiwan, The first thing they would do would send out a massive cyber attack. And we might be ready, we might not be. We're just not here. I'm not sure yet. Sure.

Yeah, well, speaking of bad actors, him and I just auditioned. That's not trying to find that same same way. Him and I just auditioned for a commercial. And you think AI's coming for our acting jobs? I just heard there's like a... You seen the AI actor girl? Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, I've seen like in the last three weeks, the SORA videos that I'm getting tricked by every single day.

I have every video I watch now I have to look for a watermark floating around, which, is like a weird effect now where like even if I'm looking at a video on my phone that I shot, my brain is like, where's the watermark? Like this isn't, this isn't real 10 minutes someone bombing at an open mic. Yeah. Where's the watermark? It really is. There's going to be a high influx of cheating happening where a guy's getting caught on camera. The girlfriend sees it and the guy's just like, babe, you're going to fall for AI like that? I thought you were smarter than this on.

That guy's got 14 fingers. Look at the video. That's probably why that girl's dating them. Yeah. It was AI. It's true. That, I don't think it will unless we got to keep calling it out when it's bad. Like there is a place for, like, there's, now there's weird, like, AI anime pharmaceutical commercials, which is a weird mesh of three things, but they're playing during the world, the MLB playoffs right now. So it's a weird thing where you're like, well, that even took a job away from a cartoonist.

Like, that could have made that. And it's weird that, like, it's a thing now. So, like, as long as we keep calling that out, there's going to be an avenue for people having real, like, like real content. Yeah, but I think that kind of overestimates maybe the both intellect and morality of the general population where like just something kind of like spinning off that. Like Studio Ghibli, if you're familiar with that. Yeah, of course.

They just had an AI prompt that you could just make anything through Studio Ghibli. And the guy who runs that art animation thing was like, dude, I spent my entire life landing on this art style and somebody made it in 14 seconds. Yeah, that's what sucks. It's crazy. And I don't know where we go and I'm scared, quite frankly. I'm terrified. So, before we let you go, give us a reassuring.

Before you leave, how do you make you sleep? Before we leave, hold me. Give us like a reassuring thing. Something to look forward to, something you're seeing in the cyberspace that is like an exciting thing versus all this dupe and glue. Yeah, I think that as we get better at understanding the field and as more awareness is brought to people, people are taking a stand. people are a really big thing is I guess a couple there's the electronic frontier a frontier foundation it's a digital rights organization so if you are interested in that should definitely check it out it's got a lot of really great resources how to be

anonymous on the internet how to safely protest you know your rights it's a really great website really great resource for people who are interested in being safe on the digital space. And then there is like a really large movement of people who are into free and open source software, which is software that is free for public consumption, free to modify. A lot of people are moving away from these systems that are designed to like extract information from you, like your Microsoft operating system. And they're moving to operating systems that do respect your autonomy more. And we're seeing a really big push on that. And it's really cool. I think that that is the internet that I wanted when I grew up, you know, like the wikipedias of the world.

Like these kind of like, what the internet should have been to make the world a more free, a more open, a more equitable place. I think that that, people are still working very diligently to advance the world and to make life better for people on the internet. And I think that's really cool. That's great news. Socialized internet. I'm right there, Ward.

He'll still it. Fuck, yeah. Very nice. Great meeting you, dude. Thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it. This was a lot of fun. Yeah.

Great insight. Thank you. I also like the. answered to cinnamon roll that was cool yeah i didn't know what else to call yeah i hope it wasn't my breakdance name so what uh oh we can talk about peace in the middle east do you mind talk about that are you comfortable talking about that yeah it's solved right everything's good now yeah we figured it out they got it all figured out turns out all we had to do was lie to the american public and telemedics fixed who would have thought nobody thought of this before

apparently after they said that everything was like cool and kosher all the all the pubs come out and they're like see he did it and then like i think like eight hours later it was like israel just killed 19 people in gaza it's like what do we do it i know we need to get back to like only getting the news once a day true it really is like i was a paper boy that was my first job this is a fun segue but getting the news once a day made the news slow down so much for the world you're like i only one bad thing can happen every day It's like, well, today was a good day thing. All right, I got to wait until tomorrow to see if there's a bad day thing. That would be funny if you, as a paper boy, got lumped in with, like, Fox and CNN. They're like, this is fake news, Montag. That's a bit I have. I was like, here's how I know the news doesn't matter is I controlled it for a cul-de-sac for two and a half years. And it was like if I didn't want to, it was back when you're supposed to deliver papers before school.

And I was like, I was a bad student anyway. If I slept in, I just had to like deliver them after school. So there were people that had to go to work, spend their whole day, somebody else telling them a little bit of the news. I got to get home, apparently, probably something's happening in Benghazi. I got to read it. And because of me, they were a day late. And then they didn't care. I think a lot of people, I think too many people care about the news now.

Yeah, I mean, obviously. I mean, I'm so inundated. I can't get away from it. It's all I can assume now. I've gotten away from it. Really? Very happy. How have you done that?

It's okay. Dude, your life is overtaken with, I listen to the wicked soundtrack every single morning on a drive to school. So I get no, like, not even like, not even. like morning talk radio coming in my ears and then I get like as soon as I get home there's still something that was playing earlier I'll forget and leave like Elmo on for three hours while I'm working from home so then that's just in the back of my head I'm learning shapes numbers colors getting back to basics you got to be nice with shapes and numbers now you got to be a real

rudimentary toy and just start playing with it you're thinking like an abacus we rip an abacus there's no way you're gonna have one in my living room right now somebody gave it to us I wouldn't bought that nerd shit but i'm glad somebody did uh somebody bought an abacus and they just love sliding the stuff back and forth and i was like oh yeah that's it like most important like i've used a calculator seriously 11 times in my life yeah you know how many times i've written boobies on a calculator like let's use things what they're meant for let's actually the basics repurposing things so that way history in like 2000 years they'll think calculators were literally just made so you can write boobies oh yeah they've like put down your phones get off social media and just pick up a texas instrument

The I, what was it, T.I. 87. Texas Instrument, what is that? Greg Abbott's wheelchair? Hello, folks. How we doing? That's a bit of a spin. It took a while. Speaking of spins, Greg Abbott. All right, here we do. All the way from Philly, take that. I do feel bad that me and Kyle thought about this. I think we can give this an episode, but me and Kyle were talking about Greg Abbott,

and neither of us realized that he was in a wheelchair. Nobody did until, I think, until McCusker just did it, he talked about it in his special. Yeah. And a lot of people are like, oh, okay. Well, he is Professor X, and even more so, he's Professor Text. He might be controlling the mutants that be. in Texas. And, of course, we're so upset about his condition,

but there's just, if there's a joke there. What conditions does he have? I think just lazy. I don't know. It's just sleepy bones. I don't know what's going on with them. Well, I can't a guy just have a case of sleepy bones these days. I think when you get, and this is, I don't know, this will play,

but I mean, I think when you get to a certain age, if you're just tired. That's the goal. Maybe not a wheelchair, but like, get in a chair. Like, an electric chair should be afforded to everybody. You made it. If you hold off getting in a chair until you're like 65. Yeah. You've made it.

Dude, get in the chair at 65. Get a motorized one. I broke my foot a year ago. Remember I was in a boot for like a brief minute? Sure, yeah. I took advantage of every motorized, like, cart at like Wagmans at Costco. I'd rip around. Oh, dude, it feels so good.

I can't wait, dude. And now I have something I'm working back toward. I'm either going to keep breaking my foot every two years or just when I hit 65. Get me in a chair, dude. Dude, just you. They're going to be hovering by then. You in your house with your wife with your foot on top of your laminate counter with a fucking hammer. I'll break it again.

I'll go back to the chair. Get me the chairlift. I want to go up the steps. A chairlift? Did you rip one of those when you were a kid? There was a church we used to go to. Nah, I never had old people.

My French church had a lift. And we were allowed to ride it because I guess his dad was a pastor. Yeah. So like we were allowed to stay after ride the chairlift. Greatest thrill I've ever had. Somebody rose you up on Eagle's wings? It kept me going back to church. It was the reason.

I was like, guys, he is risen. Oh, speaking up. To the second floor. From the first. I don't have to use my sweet, sweet, sweet stance. His only begotten son. Yeah. You were Catholic, right?

Yeah. I was a public school Catholic, though. So you went to church, though. You've been around there. Yeah, it was begrudgingly. Like, it was, my parents took us every Sunday. And then it hit the point of, like, my dad stopped going. And we were like, why?

And he's like, I did it enough. Like, I went when I was a kid. I got enough God for a lifetime. Because he went, he was same path as you, same elementary school, same high school. Same college. I might be your dad reincarnated. I'm not going to lie to you, dude. I might be him.

That's incredible. The Holy Spirit of John. I never piece that together. Yeah, dude. I've been trying to tell you for years. All right. Well, I have a paternal instinct towards you. Well, dad.

How you been? Drunk. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not trying to be nasty. Yeah, so, like, we went to church every Sunday, and then it turned into, like, sports started taking over a little bit more, like, baseball bled into Sunday mornings. Yeah.

So then it was like, all right, well, this week was excused. I went to CCD, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about that on our podcast. Well, I'm kind of curious because I've been. getting a lot of, like, TikToks and stuff about it. Top three church songs. Do you have any off the top of your head you can remember?

Well, that's what sucks. I didn't get introduced to, like, the bangers, like, uh, our God is an awesome God. He reigns until, like, college. I went to a Christian college. Oh, okay. So I got, like, smacked in the face with all those bangers that I was supposed to know.

Yeah. Like, then I got hit with, uh, like, weird, like, Christian punk rock and stuff, too. Yeah. Weird sects like that where you're like, I don't need it. I'll need it. But I'd say, uh our god's an awesome gody right that's one top three it's got to be it's got to be uh whatever the one that plays in the catholic mass right before you're about to do communion

because then you knew you were i think dain cox got a bit about it is it the amen interlude there's an almond it might be it might be and that one rips just because you knew you're going home yeah you're like oh i can taste the diner sausage right now they're going to do the pork roll perfect i'm going to ask for it extra extra crispy oh yeah it's going to be great so that was good too whatever that one was and then the bells the bells got to be number three bells are nice dude it was When you, if you can time it in your head, you're like, all right, if I was the altar boy right now is when I'd ring them. Yeah. If you were on point, you're like, got it.

Dude, the bells are so diced. I wanted to be an altar boy so bad. Despite all the jokes and everything, it's like, it looked so fucking cool. I think it was just deep down we all wanted to wear dresses, and that was like our first thing we kind of could do it for. I just think we weren't allowed to ring enough bells as kids. I mean, yeah, that's pretty true, yeah. It's the first chance to do, like, a jackass. It's a really quiet room.

nothing's happening. I'm going to do something that's going to abruptly change everything. It's your toe in the water of you're eventually doing jackass. I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is a reading from Peter. Yeah, he's about to read from Peter.

Yeah, Peter was the rock from which Christ built his church, guys. Yeah, yeah, there's martyrs. We got martyrs back there. Yeah, Phil, we're going to wake Phil out with some not mortars, some martyrs. And it's just like seven Christians being killed in front of Bamar Jarrah's dad.

Yeah, he's so risen. indeed. Yay, Don Vito! Oh, my God. I don't think Vito's loud in the church. That Don Vito. Pam R. Jarrah might be the second coming of Christ, dude. Who knows?

So who are we here with today? My name is Ruth Leibson. Ruth, very nice to meet you, Ruth. My name's Matt. This is John. Hi, Matt. Hi, John. How are you?

Very, very good. So, Ruth, what do you do for a living? I don't do for a living. Okay, what you did for a living. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a great living, fortunately. I had others who helped out But I did a lot of community work

I originally was a concert pianist Many years ago with my twin sister We were a duo piano team That was the first living sort of That's incredible Then I got married and moved to Philadelphia And was very engaged in the medical scene here in Philadelphia And in the wider community

Very cool Wow there's so much All sorts of very challenging work here so much to ask you about okay so the early the early days you're a duo concert pianist what kind of venues are you playing what does that look like is it original music kind of thing uh no it was classical the classical repertoire sure does the name lennard bernstein mean anything it does now he means more than me than anybody rm song Leonard bernstein is that right look it up okay yeah really look it up okay we recorded with

Leonard Bernstein. That was just one of the things that we did. That's amazing. So, anyway, let's move on. Okay. You're running the interview. You call the shots. So then after you're done with the pianist era of your life, you get into community reach, what does that look like?

What kind of stuff are you doing? You said you're involved with medical things? Well, the medical work was supporting my husband who was at Will's Eye Hospital and had a major career at Wells. My father was a patient of Will's. Thank you for him for his work. He may have been the doctor. been incredible yeah his site was saved there so it's incredible work that's done there great great place yeah my husband was the head of cornea at wells well there's a very good chance

your husband's blade touched my dad's eye then how about that it's beautiful beautiful i wish he were here he's upstairs in our apartment so that was a major part of my life that's amazing but i also was doing community work interfaith a lot of interfaith work interreligious work um in the Jewish community and beyond. Sure. And I also, for 10 years, directed a Holocaust program here in Philadelphia. Wow. Engaging the wider community in teachings of the Holocaust.

And every challenge of the community was my challenge as well. Sure, sure, sure. There you go. For 18 years, I was very involved in the hunger world. and so it's been a fun ride so that's kind of an interesting point you were involved in kind of making people more aware

and an understanding of the Holocaust have you noticed that as generations have gone on maybe people are not as familiar as they were because like when I grew up you know going to school in the early 2009 there was weeks dedicated to that section of history have you noticed that as we move along with time that that's maybe not as prevalent as it should be or used to be

or is that well I think you know teaching the Holocaust, teaching the lessons of the Holocaust is a challenge that every community should address. I also, however, feel that I'm not sure whether it should be mandated in the public schools. I think that that's a question that I really haven't resolved in my own mind. But as a Holocaust educator, I guess I should. Sure, yeah. I feel strongly about it. But I would like to feel that schools would address it on their own but there's also so much else out there that needs to be balanced in in the educational day and how to do it how to do it is a challenge that educators have to deal with and there's just more and more every almost 10 years they're like

we need to now shoehorn more history on top of what we already need to teach so there's no end and right and that's where it becomes important where people are out of the education system that you still, you were providing that outlet of, hey, you know, you've gone to this point of being educated. Here's the service that will continue to educate the community, like you said. Exactly. Yeah, that's where you start to see the importance of it. Very interesting.

That's kind of, so going back to your husband who worked at Will's eye, was there any, like, was he at the forefront of any kind of like ocular science or things that he saw that it happened for the first time there? Can you give us a couple little fun ones? Well, I can just say that I think, I wish he were here to talk about. himself and his field much more articulately than I can, but he did some really exciting stuff. Sure. And we traveled all over the world because of it.

And he taught, you know, he taught all over the world and had our guests sitting over there are two fellows, the two gentlemen, were two fellows who have studied with Peter from Israel. And they came to visit us. Oh, that's incredible. We're so touched that they came. One of them was here 42 years ago, and the other was here 30 years ago. Wow. And we have remained wonderful friends, and we are so grateful, as I said, for their visit.

How sick is that? Well, I can tell that they have good eyes because they were looking over at us the entire time. We'll let you run back to them. But we're so appreciative. You came and sat and talked to us. Thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity. Good luck with your project.

Thank you very much. We appreciate it. It was great meeting you, Ruth. Thank you. This is a fun thought I've realized recently. And I thought, these are your sunglasses you left in my car about three years ago. God damn it, I knew they were, dude. And I was thinking about today because about, it was probably two years ago you left him in my car.

And about a year ago, I was like, oh, I should get these back to Matt. I've been wearing him for a year straight. And then I looked him up my Amazon. It was like two for 14. I was like, he doesn't miss him that much. Dude, I bought him at a dollar store, and the lady's called me ugly when I put him on. Like, I literally put them on, and I was like, are these good? And she was like, mm.

You get nothing but compliments for two years. So, thank you. They're lying, you. I was going to buy a two pack and then give you another one, but I just didn't do that. RIP two pack. I mean, of course. Big off. Big E.

Yeah. Are you scared? Because you got young kid. Are you scared about the cyber life they're going to have to grow up in? Yeah, but it's like, what are you going to do? All you get, it's like, everything I'm scared about as a parent. It's like, all right, well, I still just got to get them through today. So that's, like, one of the nice things, like, parenting has made me realize it's

like some days you just got to be like dude what's getting me to 9 p.m. tonight yeah yeah yeah and it's like one day that's going to have to be a conversation of like hey here's how stuff is like crazy and the world's insane but like I haven't reached that moment yet you could go waco dude you could just go full waco take them off the grid I would love to go off the grid what are you going to do off the grid I love the grid oh I love the dude I'm such a fan of the grid Vito's also been hired by a separate guest he's taking pictures for him he does a great picture of our guest so over there? I'm pro-grid.

I'm actually pro-grid, too. I think we need to get less nature, more grid. No, it is. I like my little toe in the water of nature. I'm like, I'll go run around a lake. Is that not what we're doing right now? We're surrounded by nature and we still had to bring a recording device and microphones. I do love parks and cities, but it is amazing to be in a building and be like, I get

to look out and be teased of what nature is. You're like, I do it in my house. I get in the suburbs. You're like, I got a little patch of woods near my house. But there is something that the way society has evolved is that I think as grown men, we cannot be around nature as much because if you hang around nature too much, you look like a pedophile. You're also just going to not do anything.

The longer you hang around nature, the more you're likely to just sit against a tree and relax. Yeah, but as grown men, we can't. Yeah. True. Who would I be if not for my audience? All right, that has been our episode of Men at Work Podcast. Thank you guys so much again for hanging out. We hope you enjoy the interviews.

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