Men At Work Podcast - A Famous Shoe Designer Randomly Pulled Up to the Podcast!

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

A famous shoe designer pulls randomly pulls up on the podcast to talk about his self-built luxury shoe brand, a collab with the Military, and being sued by one of the BIGGEST shoe companies in the world. Also, people apparently do not like our name and we address the reason why there was no episode last week. Watch on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/w4wJxtgD5A4About Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for a living? After that the conversation flows from there. We've talked to substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and the Governor of Literal Pennsylvania. And we'll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a furry convention, and more! Whether we like it or not, our jobs are most of our lives - might as well yap about it. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] If you want more bonus content check out Office Hours a weekly workplace advice show on Patreon that subscribers submit their questions to and we answer them: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod *If you subscribe to the Patreon consider subscribing on a desktop or website or an android device, NOT THROUGH iOS (Apple) APP. Apple takes 30% of every month you're subscribed (yea they suck). Follow Us:The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcast https://www.instagram.com/menatpod/ Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedy https://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/ Follow Kyle: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancbFollow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

You look like an interesting dude. What's up, y'all? What's up, dude? How are you, bro? What's the background? It's just what you do for a living and that's just vibe. It's a comedy podcast. It's a little too comfortable, fellas. Even we don't do that, too.

I'm a design. I'm a forward designer. I didn't know Payless was having a sale. That's awesome. Hey, we're a horse and we goof. We joke around, fellas. Welcome back to another episode of Men at Work. I'm Kyle Pagan, as always joined by Matt Peoples, and we're here.

back in written house square and we have a couple things we want to say before matt delivers his apology to the masses yes uh if you like this show please hit subscribe leave a comment on the youtube or review on iTunes and Spotify wherever you're listening because it helps out a ton and lets us bring on more incredible guests that's exactly right and also on top of that the regular episode that comes out every week sometime during the week we also have a patreon uh patreon you got to get on there we have a one dollar tier come support us. We're doing a bunch of stuff. We're doing office hours every Wednesday around 7 or 8 p.m. It's a live chat. We'll just be on there, screwing around. Send in your stories about

work, your annoying co-worker, your shitty boss. Life too. Life too, honestly. We really just send us stuff anything. We need content and we're whores for it. Yeah, nobody has more together than us. That's exactly right. Why didn't we release an episode last week? Something happened with, I think Vito, I was trying to release the episode, and I remember Vito pulled out like a kind of classic katana blade from a samurai, and he said, Matt, I'm really sorry, but if you release this episode, I'm gonna have to murder your family murder your family wow so as much as i wanted to you know veto is kind of the law of the land around here so uh no i never fucking press record on the audio thing i screwed up i'm sorry hour 30 hour 45 some fucking awesome guests not gonna lie to you did pretty

banger episode i'm really sorry i think we met a guy with million followers you said guy with million followers we had a mother daughter combo in a wholesome sense okay a pharmacist she told me how to regulate my girlfriend's anxieties we found out like actually useful information Did you use what she used? No, I actually, I told Gad that that happened. And then she was like, what you talked about? And I was like, I don't know the episodes going. I can't remember.

Because once it's out of this, it's out of here, dude. Yeah, we're just mush minds this entire hour 30. We have nothing going on. Truly, I mean, again, I don't want to harp on it. But I almost considered telling Kyle release it with no audio. And then I was like, I think Kyle will also kill me with the samurai blade. So maybe I'll just kind of stop pulling these punches. The lost episode.

Man, you guys could have heard about birds from India. Birds from India? How to deal with your girlfriend? Have an anxiety. Using a sour head on the tree. train apparently like sour candy comm's anxiety that's what she told me yeah yeah yeah a nice warhead exactly a warhead actually i used to fucking crush warheads and i was a ball of anxious nerves going up did it help you ever do you felt relaxed i just always had that pucker face that was kind of my

exact thought too i don't know how that would make you feel any better of just like oh great now my jaw's tingling in a way i haven't felt before yeah 100% yeah i don't like that stuff at all but yes i am sorry so my bad just you know what honestly don't be a don't be a bitch about it move get over it guys seriously dude all right just because i was away yeah left the boys i was like hey let the boys play i mean i trust these guys let them do it they've done it before casey rocket honestly what's that about rockets nothing nothing at all actually uh also i we found out recently that our uh our name makes people nervous yeah dude yes it makes people in the park nervous what have you been hearing because apparently with our name men at work and listen one thing i want to say is

good podcast shitty shitty title i i'll meet you halfway it's a dumb name it's a dumb name it's a dumb name. No, it's not. But people apparently, and this is coming from Vito, because Vito tries to get the guest coming on, people get nervous because they think we're like a Charlie Kirk. Yeah. And we just set up in like universities and try to just take kids that are like 17, 18, 19 years old and just mangled their minds full of useless facts and useless knowledge and try to tell them like get you in, get them recorded on gotcha moments. Yeah, listen, do we look like a couple Nazis? You more so with me. I look like a, I look like a gorgeous lesbian this morning. I truly look like

Take the fucking hat off Now it's not good That's Nazi hair That's balding Nazi dude Dude I would have been rounded up And sent to the gulag All right No you would know you would not

Dark hair? You'd be the one doing it Oinsen He'd be coming around You go get it Get her in your little frugger See this is why people don't come on They hear you speak in German And they're like obviously

These guys are fucking nuts Germans now are flowery beautiful little boys They've totally learned their lesson They're like That's not bad Do you know in Germany actually high school You can't graduate high school Without going a concentration can't

Learning about it Wait it's not called a concentration camp Don't call a concentration It's not called sleepaway camp. It's not called concentration camp. It is. That's an all-time sound bite, folks. You got to go to Dock Hour.

You got to go to... Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. So you're saying... I thought you were saying, like, it was like an eight-week summer program where you go to a concentration camp. You go to a camp from the past. Yeah, you go to a camp from the past.

Oh, okay, thank God. Yeah, these guys aren't... Holy macaroni, dude. This isn't Survivor Germany. Jeez, that's what I thought you were saying at first. You're like, you guys got to run it back. Careful. This isn't the amazing race.

No, well, there's only one amazing race, apparently. But no, yeah, they have to go to a concentration camp and then do a report on it, you know, because those who don't learn about history are doomed to repeat it. No kidding. I just found out this is a quick blurb, and then we'll go back to our title

because I think I want to turn into a TikTok, to be honest with you, but that's my vanity. I was watching a thing yesterday about what French people think of the United States. That's my favorite YouTube wormholes. Just finding out, type in a certain country that you like and then type in what they think about Americans. Okay.

It's almost always mean. It's always like fat. They are fat, they are lazy. They are like, not smart. It's like, I, dude. What do the frogs think about us? The frogs, well, this is something that they don't think about us. The girls said she liked that she lived in the U.S. for a little bit.

The one thing that she did note is she was like, in the U.S., people are so excited to ask you about your ethnicity. And apparently in France and surrounding countries, that is like a big, big time no-no. Because back in the 1940s, people went around asking, what's your ethnicity? And they marked down the answer and life changed forever. So she said she was like walking around. I think she lived in New York City. And people were like, oh, my God, your accent. Like, what's your ethnicity?

Like, I guess you're French, what's your ethnicity? And she's like, I do not that what they use that. And it's like, freak it out, dude, which I totally understand. But for us, it's like, my grandmother came over from Italy in 1980. But it's just French. She's probably just white. Yeah, she's, oh, I don't even know what French people are. Frogs.

They got a weird hue to them. Like a smoker's hue. Well, they, like my mom smoked in the house and the walls kind of became a little more yellower. Yes. Like an eggshell, a little bit. So a French looks like if a British, somebody smoked inside of a British person. Yeah, 100%. Honestly. It looks like a cadbury egg.

Okay. Like a white, whitish yellowish Cadbury Egg. That's the true Cadbury Tales. Somebody smoking inside of a Brit. I love that fucking book. It's a banger, dude. It's a great book. Actually, I grew up in a, I grew up in a neighborhood in the surrounding neighborhood behind us. All the streets were named after Canterbury Tales.

Is that right? Yeah. That's a lot of fun. I love that. Look at me, dude. Look at us. Just tying it back. My neighborhood, all my streets were named after British places, which I hated, dude. I grew up on Sussex. My cousins lived on Essex. That's such a... It's a fucking South Jersey thing.

We discover, we fucking fight for America. We get our freedom. And South Jersey just gives honor to the British. It really is insane. That'd be like if you broke up with your ex-girlfriend and then you started dating a new girl, like you were broke up with your ex-girlfriend, like Alexandra. You start dating a new girl and then you have a kid and you're like, what do you want to name her? It's like, oh, Alexander's a beautiful name.

Do you like that name? I knew a guy that just would, would just date Megan's. Is that right? But they never had the same exact spelling of the word Megan. Yeah. He doesn't name Megan. Yeah. So it was like, it kind of was awesome because it was like, well, you can't.

When Megan G-H leaves, I got Megan just solo G right now. Yes. Then you can mix it up. You get like an M-E-A-G-A-N? Where the hell that come from? They're just hand vows. Megan's, the mothers of Megans are the drunken women probably for one, and then the drunken women with power for two.

Yes, 100%. The thing that you can just spin a name 15 different ways is insane. It really is. And also mothers of Megan sounds like a female biker gang. That's just true. We are the mothers of Megan. But anyway, back to our podcast name. Yeah.

We're nice guys. We're good guys. Shitty name, good podcast. Not shitty name. Matt, we picked it after an Australian band. We just literally did not do enough research to know that there's this platinum-selling band touring the entire world in the 1970s and 80s. That's how little bit of research we did on this fucking name. Maybe I talked about France a little too much.

You're hitting a lot of wheeze that I don't necessarily agree with. You picked a name, and I said, you know, it's actually not a bad idea. Yeah? I think I put a name as before me and Kyle knew each other super well. and I put a name in the group chat and he just Kyle's way of really shutting you down He doesn't go

I don't like that or I do like that But maybe not Kyle just goes Here's my idea Yeah I don't respond back Yeah it hurts every time That's okay Meta work though That's a thing

People walk by We're in a public area Why do we name it? Why do we name it this? Because we ask people What they do for work dude And it's named after a goddamn street sign And it's just two fucking dudes

Just sitting at a fucking table At our job Not everything has to be Just taking what you see on the internet Not everything has to be What you saw on the internet and be like, these guys are, these guys are the reason why the troops are being deployed. That's exactly right.

We're exactly deploying the troops right now. I don't know how you got there, but I hear you sold this. I couldn't think of it. I couldn't think of anything. Somebody sitting down our podcast and we're like, so you just had to deploy the troops didn't you. I'm like, sorry, we were being bad. We had a cheat day. Come on.

We deployed the troops. We woke up hungover and I was just like, we're two dudes. Can we just, we're asking people what they do for a living? Can we just name at work? I don't love the name. I never love the name. I think that makes the name even better. But there's so many fucking podcasts out there that you know.

know what? Sometimes the names get taken. NFL, NFL teams, NBA teams, and now two MLB teams are going to be expanded in the next couple of years. I did see that. Probably not going to be great names. It depends. You think they're going to have like the Seattle men at works? Yeah, the Seattle men at work. Well, now it would never fly in Seattle. True, yeah. The Seattle, those, them at work. Like, I think Utah just introduced the hockey club, and there were Utah hockey club for a little bit.

I think they're the mammoth or the Yeti now. It stinks on ice, too. Yetty's pretty sick, but I don't think they are. I think they're the mammoths. I'll tell you what, dude. We're too far in now. The name is what it is. We're two years in. I've been a part of a podcast that changed its name after two years of doing it. And you know what? People give you guff.

Yeah, dude, we're averaging 500 listeners an episode, okay? We've made it already. We can't change the name now. We can't, especially, by the way, I wanted to say thank you guys. 10,000 followers on it's pretty sweet. That's pretty nice. 15,000 on TikTok. We appreciate you guys.

I can't believe people enjoy this. Although, yeah, I can. This fucking podcast rules. This does, dude. It's just a fucking name rules, actually. And I'll never send the military on any of you guys, dude. That's a difference between me and Donald Trump, all right? If you don't like what I'm doing, I'm not going to fucking send the military.

to your house. Department of War. Department of War, yeah, my new job. Yeah, you're in Department of War now. That's actually fucking sick, dude. It's so made for somebody who would say exactly what you just said, dude. It's unbelievable. The Department of War? What are we doing, what are you doing? What do you want to do?

The Department of Renewable Energy? Or the Department of War? Okay, well, one has nothing to do with the other. All right. I'm in the Department of Pacifism. The Department of... How about just the Department of Find out? Fuck around and find out. Just, you find out.

Now, now you know, it's fucked up the Department of War. Yeah. Department of Fuck Around and Find Out. Check out. See what happens. No, for real. I'm curious. I want you to find out what happens. Go ahead.

Seriously, dude. No, no, no. I'm not even trying to antagonize you. I just want you to fucking do something to just see what happens. Kim Jong-un, I'm looking at you, dude. Kim, seriously, dude, it's the Department of, hey, just check out. Maybe something crazy happens. Putin?

I see your finger getting on the little red button over there. That's all. Look around and find out. No, the Department of Fuck Around and Find out actually rules. Yeah, it's pretty sweet. That's the way to go about it. The Department of Fucker out and find out might be the actual military, because unfortunately, that's how we act? Dude, he's all about marketing and branding.

How did he not think about this? He's still got old guy brain. He doesn't have new young brain. It's true. He's got to get Eric Trump in there with his fucking mouthful of 45 teeth. Dude, do you know how fucking insane it would have been? Because there was all that rumors that Trump died last week. Do you know how insane it would have been if I was on my bachelor party, 15 memorial lights deep finding out the president of the United States died?

Would you cry? I don't know what I would do. I'm in Columbus, Ohio A diverse town I don't know how they would take it I'm in a college town though Where I feel like they skew a little conservative So they might fly the flags at half-mast

Yeah 100%. You're in a college town They're going to be very conservative, dude If I keep drinking, is that Dude, you were at what, Texas OSU? Yeah For real, if you've seen like the videos of like The way North Koreans are supposed to cry

When something bad happens at King John movement That would be the Texas Longhorn fans Oh no! Oh yeah! President! No! That's true And Ohio State just horns downing them? Horns down for Trump.

They're flying the horns at half-mast that came here. I do think so. I think no matter what you are at Ohio State, whether you lean left or lean right, you have to horns down the Texas people. Yeah, absolutely. People are all just like, fuck, they... But, like, I mean, just imagine, like,

back in, like, the 60s when JFK got it. Yeah. Just tying one on in a bar. Oh, I think you're talking, jerk it off. Sorry. I'd be like, I would not do that. What, tying your neck? and then, uh...

What are you into, dude? I thought my bad. Maybe this name is right. Maybe these people are right. Maybe these people are thinking what they thought. It's a goof fest. It's a goddamn goof fest. Which is, imagine time on on.

Yeah. At home in the bar. However, they drank back in the 60s and stuff. And it's got to be your bitch wife who yells you about drinking. You go, babe, the fucking president died. Yeah. Can I go see my... And these are all, even better point.

These are all the dudes that you probably served with in World War II. You're now in like your 40s. True. And you're like, babe, the fucking commander in chiefs, can I not go down in the bar for one more? She's like, well, Charlie, every time you drink, you seem to hit me. Honey, I'm not going to fucking hit you. The president died.

The president died. I bet you wish somebody would have hit him. He got shot in the fucking head. What would that be like today, finding out if Matt Peoples, the president died, three THC, not beers, but THC drinks. I don't know why. I think I would be like, I'm next. In my mind, if the president died, I've got to be the second one in the fucking hit list.

Very vain. That's insane vanity that you do not ever have. And I'm not proud to be like that, but you asked me an honest question and I gave you an honest answer. And if you gave me three gas station gummies, of course the world revolves around me because if it does it, my heart's going to stop beating. Why would Lee Harvey Oswald tag you next in your apartment? Well, Lee Harvey Oswald got, I know, I'm thinking about John Wilkes Booth.

That's pretty funny. He got Abraham Lincoln in a theater. Imagine he goes to like some shitty brewery that I'm headlining behind the fucking IPAs that are stacked up. And everybody's like, sir, you can't have a gun in here. He's like,

I can have a gun in here. I can have a gun in here. I can have a fucking gun in here. Honestly, getting shot in front of like a crowd of 30 would do wonders for your comedian career. It would be enormous.

If I could get shot and live, I would take it in a heartbeat. If I became like the 50 cent of stand-of-comedy, I don't think you could survive nine times. 100% I could survive nine times. No way, you could survive nine times. I swear to God I'd go to work the next day.

Yeah, but like, 50 cent had a six-pack. I have three. I got three now. All right, so maybe six shots? Give me half. Give me half, six shots. Four and a half shots?

Four and a half shots. Yes. One gets me in like my, I'll let him get like my left nut. It grazes my left nut. So it's a very like vital area. Well, because it's huge. So it's I was going to hit something.

Why can't he just craze your fucking head? What are you talking about, man? So the guy's targeting you. He's such a bad shot. That's right. That he gets four in the chest. Uh-huh. And then he just goes right for the left nut and he grazes it.

Left nut. Because he's going to see, what's going to happen is he's going to fucking shoot me shirt rips he starts to unveil partly my newly sculpted body he gets well turned on yeah his gaze goes down focuses on the mcnugget this is right for the cops come and take him out the cops are they're that fast huh the cops are there that fast yeah i i had an escort to get to the show so they're obviously waiting for me at a brewery at a police escort to take me to vanity mat yeah vanity fair man i'm i'm i've turned to totally new leaf too i told you a couple weeks ago when i became the man

again, it's been a whole new ballgame. When you're shouting over the Betsy Uralst Bridge saying I'm the fucking man. And no air conditioning in my car, sweating, wearing this exact button down. That was tough today getting over here. Thanks for the car boy. I appreciate it. But man, can we get some Freon in that bitch? Yeah, it's not my best move.

It's also having a conversation with all the windows down, dude. It's like being in an Uber. I'm wearing a new shirt. It's heavy right now. Yeah, dude. Sweating in your Honda Pilot? Shout out the boy. Honda Pilot.

Don't ever put that on my name, dude. It's a CRV. It stands for Crave because you crave another ride in that bad boy. Shout out Jonsky for the t-shirt. Yeah, shout out of our boy, Johnsky. Sorry, I'm on my motor mouth shit this morning, dude. Anything else could happen? Sydney Sweeney's dating Scooter Braun?

Yeah, of course, dude. It's got to be Taylor Swift's worst nightmare. People were like, Sydney Sweeney's a Republican, and then they played, How Republican are you? And then she's like, I'm going to date fucking Scooter Braun, notorious music stealer. I don't know. I feel like that might be a lib move. That's a PR move.

Isn't Scooter Braun the one who, like, stole discographies from, like, Taylor Swift and all them? He bought them fair and square. Are we team Scooter Braun, or we anti-Scoter Braun? Yeah, can we talk about the Taylor Swift situation? Yeah, two seconds. We're not Nazis. She's busy. She's got to go to Caltown Rodeo after this.

She was literally just taking pictures for her Instagram, literally right over there. You don't want to talk to the boys? Five seconds. I'm telling you, dude. She didn't name, good podcast. I don't think they saw the name. I think they're just, people are terrified to speak anymore.

I think that's what AI is taking us to. Nobody wants to have any conversation with anybody they don't know. Cindy Sweeney won't talk about the jeans. Is that right? She won't talk about the jeans. She isn't addressed it at all? She won't, which is honestly, probably the best thing you can tell. What is she going to say

That someone's just going to be like Well, that's either AI or her PR wrote that What the fuck is she going to say? To me, she was paid a million dollars Billions of dollars to do a fucking jeans campaign And read off a teleprompter Yeah, but everyone's like she's a Nazi Which is tough

I think you do have to address the year a Nazi thing I mean Steve Bomber got accused of fucking Siphoning money to Quiet Leonard He addressed it within 48 hours Yeah but that's different That's circumventing the cap dude Yeah, dude, she's certain venting the goddamn American dream. That's setting up a shell company so that they can take Kauai Leonard out of Toronto.

Sidney Sweeney's kind of a shell company yourself, dude. She's got two big clams. And you know what? They did that before. We tariff those motherfuckers, too. True. We should tariff Kaui Leonard. What did you think about that?

That was nuts. I think it honestly had to be, it's one of those things where you get to enjoy the benefits of being smart your whole life, where everyone just gives you the benefit of the doubt in a good way. And eventually, it comes back and it bites you where you do something bad and people are like, we have a dearth of evidence that you do smart stuff all the time. Yeah. There's no way you did something this stupid, dude. Yeah, so if anyone that doesn't know what happened, he set up a fake show company,

which was like a tree company, and the tree company went out of business. It went bankrupt. The guy was, uh, the guy was indicted for wire fraud, I believe. And so they had to obviously list their creditors. I love this dad. He's drinking at fucking 11 a.m. right now. Where's he got? Let's go.

He's drinking at 11 a.m. watching his kid in the park. That's fucking awesome. Speaking of, we got to start bringing beers at the par for Christ, sir. My God, dude. I love that. that's an ultimate dad hack I really love that thanks Vito

appreciate you here's your Diet Coke thanks baby hey that's an ultimate dad hack I love that cheers to you brother I envy you might have a problem

but anyway so Steve Balmer apparently set up a or there's a 25 million dollar credit because when you go bankrupt you have to you have to put out all your creditors

and everything so there's a 25 million dollar credit to Kauai Leonard or Leonard Enterprises or something stupid and everything and everyone was like holy shit they're

circumventing the cap because they're doing a $50 million deal and 25 million is being paid as an endorsement fee from this fake tree company that was set up. Right. And Pablo Torre, who does a good job, but man, is he smug?

Yeah, that's what it is. He's so smug. I want to like Pablo Torre, but he's so smug about all the investigative research he does. He's literally everything that I think sports journalism should become. On video, good speaker, you know, hours and hours and hours of investigation. Yeah. But do you have to be a smug little prick about it? I think, at least my read, and you would know better than this,

I think that's what his audience wants him to be like. I think you're technically not his audience. I think the people that follow him loyally are like, yeah, Pablo, be a, be a prick. That's true, because he's in that ESPN, the ringer, athletic vein? Yes. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I'm probably more of a bro crowd, so that's probably exactly right. But anyway, so, yeah, so they think they literally found them circumventing the cab.

And actually this happened in the Minister of Timberwolves did this for Joe Smith back in 1999. And the Timberwolves lost five picks, five first rounders. And voided the contract. And the Sixers have 29 and 28 of the Clippers, but I don't think they'll be able to take those picks. They have the Clippers picks for the next. Oh, no, the Sixers will still keep it. Yeah, they'll keep them. Yeah, I think if they're not owed the pick, they would, they can't fuck another team for that.

So anyway, so did you see the Cubs is now coming out in defense of Steve Ballmer? Of course he is, dude. Of course. Tough sledding for the Cubs the past year, dude. I saw a clip of him and Pablo talking about it being like, Steve Ballmer, would not be this much of an idiot. Yes. That's really the benefit of the doubt that it gets.

It's like, Mark Cuban, you had this guy literally taking his pants off in the workplace and, like, showing his dick to people for years, and you were like, I had no idea. Yeah. So, like, is Steve Balmer in charge of this? I feel like it would be like Steve Balmer and maybe like the CFL. Yeah.

Like, I feel like there's guys underneath them that are doing all this stuff. It's like, hey, I want to sign Kawhi Leonard. We might not have the cash to do it. Yeah. I don't want to spend, you know, $25 million on a guy. who's maybe playing 40 games a year. What other ways can we do this? I think, and I get that.

I'm not trying to be, like, pro-owner because, you know, I'm anti-billionaire peeps. But, like, some of the onus, to me, should fall on Kauai Leonard's camp, basically soliciting illegal services. Like, if there's, if you're burdened by the NBA cap where you can only pay a certain number, and then his team is like, well,

maybe you can kind of scratch our back a little bit through some back channels. To me, that should be also an illegal thing. What was Uncle Dennis? Remember Uncle Dennis? Uncle Dennis? Yeah, of course, too. dude, yeah. Uncle Dennis. Uncle Dennis ruined my life in 2019.

Because the Spurs, right? Because he wouldn't let, fucking, he wouldn't let Kauai come to Daddy Brett Brown. He wouldn't let him come home. Really? Yeah, that was the deal. Everything that I saw back 2019 when Kauai was on the table, if you guys remember the Sixers fans, Kauai was on the table, and the prevailing thought was that he's going to end up with the Sixers. We're going to give up like Markell, Robert Covington, basically like the Jimmy Butler package

because they're going to take care of Brett Brown had the relationship with Greg Popovich, and they had all worked together for years and won championships. And all of a sudden, Masayu Jiri, he comes in with a dirt fucking shit offer. Damar the Rosen, Yacca Purdle, and a first? Garbage, dude. First for the finals MVP. And this prime.

You get DeMar de Rosen. Oh, we pumped back into another fail again. That's awesome. Cool. Whoa, DeMar. I hope you're actually for real. Your battle with depression's going well. I do like you as a player, though, to be honest with him.

I didn't even know he's battling that. He is. He is him and Kevin Love. Shout to DeMarr. Well, Kevin Lowe's been doing it forever. But yeah, so it's like, I don't know. I mean, I feel like more teams are doing this. is why Cubes is coming out, even though Cubes doesn't really own the Mavericks anymore.

Yes, I think there are. But I feel like this guy, this would be stupid not to happen. Like, Howie Roseman is doing something that, like, nobody, like, everybody else refuses to do. He pushes every contract, like, back a couple years so that he can start signing guys. Like, Lane Johnson, Lane Johnson might have a contract till 2037, but there are, or 2037, but there are so many gap years in, like, 2028 that they got to pay or 2029, or they can backload the contract and revert it to a signing bonus. so then they pay up front. But that also has to be agreed on by the owner to do this. Right, right, right.

So if they want to redo the deal, Jeffrey Lurie's got to be like, hey, he's going to be on the books until 20, 31, but we're going to have to pay him a lot of upfront money and stuff, but then we can go out and get a fucking defense bank or something like that? Yeah, yeah, that's definitely, I mean, but can I ask you something about, from my perspective, as a not full Eagles bad boy, and you are a total Eagles bad boy?

Go birds, baby, 2420. People don't forget. Well, you said that they had 20-23 vibes yesterday, so I don't know if you had all, and it was unbelievable. We are signing a lot of guys that just feels that we're trying to fill a lot of gaps, like 2023. Sure. Okay. They didn't sign many guys during the season in 2024. Fair point.

Total fucking Eagles, woe is me as I'm. You beat the Cowboys by four points. You're like, the Cowboys were supposed to be bad this year. We're going to lose a Super Bowl, even though we were two and two last year. That defense sucked on Thursday. That is true. Couldn't even get to the quarterback. Quinnian Mitchell.

Even though Jalen Carter. Pretty beast move, dude. You got a question, though. Sorry, I totally railroaded. Real quick. Jaylen Carter might be world of t-shirts. Spitting on people. But yeah.

Base move. But Dack spit first. Did he really? Yeah. Dack played the whole game. Dach spit first, right? Hell yeah, he did. Even the governor said Dach spit first.

Really? Yeah, even the governors weighing in on these important topics. No kidding. Oh, the word of the Lord. Asalam al-a-a-a-a-am. Sorry, he's Jewish, wrong one. Yeah, yeah. He, like, came up, spit. And then Jaylon Carter was like, did you spit at me?

And then Jaylon Carter obviously spit on him. That seems like it would have to be in which people. Turn the other cheek, Jaylen. Come on the word of the Lord. But, I mean, he's a psychopath. But you know what? Your defensive linemen should be psychopaths. Charles Haley and Domic and Sue.

Of course. Like guys that stepped on Aaron Rogers' leg. Domic and Sue is a bit of a preck, dude. That's a dickhead move. But he's an offensive tackle. At one point, he was the highest defensive tackle, paid defensive tackle in the entire NFL. These guys, imagine running your fucking head into other big-ass fucking dudes. You think you'd be all there?

You think you'd be able to formulate five words on this podcast? I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't be hard. So don't even think that I would be hard from that. I would never think that you'd be hard. Don't even think that about running into big, strong guys. How do people think this is a bad podcast? I have no idea.

I mean, this guy's hard as shit to think about running the guys. I'm rock hard. I'm going to lift the table with my bone dog. Yeah. God bless. Yeah, that was working. Anyway, so you're an eagle's question. All right.

So I hear all the braggadocious nature about like the Eagles. They just did it again, man. They traded for the next guy. They signed the next guy. Yeah, the birds, Howie. Build a statue for Howie. Howie sees him. Howie, man.

That guy does it. Anyway, dude, it just seems like they have everything to trade all the time ever. It feels like there's no scarcity of reason. resources amongst the Eagles. It's like they got some incredible player and they gave out like a 20th round pick and three drawings of like the guy's mom. How does it, to me, it's just from I'm an NBA perspective where the resources seem to be much more scarce. It doesn't seem that hard to trade for good guys. Howie, season, baby. But it just seems like they always have stuff to trade and the other team is always willing to take what seems like a slop fuck. Howie, say with me,

howie, season, baby. Okay. All right. If that's all it is, and that's all it is. Maybe I could wrap my mind around that. It's just from my perspective, you know, I've watched a lot of Brian Colangelo's. I've watched a lot of, you know. But that's your fault. Okay.

You're in a terribly run organization. You are the fan. It just so happens that your favorite team is run, is mismanaged. You are SEPTA. But how is it a well-run organization when it's that easy to do good stuff? To me, I think my grander point. Easy to do good stuff. When a Super Bowl?

They get good. guys all the time for slop picks and nothing of note. The guy drafted Jalen Hurts when we had Carson Wentz who was on an MVP season. Serbo winning Carson Wentz was still under the helm. Sure. That takes fucking balls. I, true. 2020, people wanted Howie Roseman out of here. Maybe drafting wise, obviously they're, they kill it. Jalen Carter, all those dudes. He signed Zach Bourne and Zach Bonn was a, this is becoming a sports podcast. He signed Zach Bonn and Zach Bonn was literally playing special teams for the Saints and then became an all-pro defensive player of the year candidate. Okay, so signings, I can definitely

Signings and drafting, I could definitely say that takes a lot of skill. But the trades that I see, I think I'm just focusing on the trades. They just seem like you're giving up nothing to get... It looks like when people like proposed trades on like Reddit, where it's like, what if we gave up three firsts for Nicola Yokic? Yeah. And a bad contract. It's like, what are you talking about?

But that's what the Eagles do all the time. I don't think he's actually traded for anyone that good. He traded actually his best trade this wasn't the best, but like the most high-profile person he traded this year was Chaunty Gardner-Johnson. and the guy they traded him for is, like, on the practice squad now. He's inactive on Thursday. Look, Kyle, I have no problem saying that I might not have any clue about what I just talked about. And if you're an Eagles fan in the comments, let me know.

Say, L's at the chat for Big Matt. You want to sit on? You look like an interesting dude. What's up, yo? What's up, dude? My name's Kyle. What's the background? It's just what you do for a living and that's just vibe.

It's a comedy podcast. It's a little too comfortable, fellas. Even we don't do that, too. Yeah, we don't do that. We're not just going to let... We're not just going to let... We're not just going to let... I'm a designer, too.

I got it on clouds. I was going to say, dude. I didn't know what clouds are okay, but... I didn't know Pailas was having a sale. That's awesome. Hey, we're a horse and we goof. We joke around, fellas. You guys stop by Laptone and Hammer.

We'll give you some shoes. I like Laptone and Hammer. Yeah, Brian. Ryan. We designed at least this morning. Sweet, congratulations. That's what you're named? John Giger.

John Giger? Sean Davis. Sean Davis. Okay. So you're the designer? Yeah. And what's your job with this? Uh, business owner.

So we were friends together, and, uh, we, we started the company together, and we built John Geiger together. So I was a sports agent before that. Oh, sweet. Still am for basketball. Nice. Got any reps? Uh, yeah.

Right now, just Spencer Dinwiddy. But before that, I was with Eamon Shumperd and Mo Harclis and a bunch of other people. No shit. Did you tell Spencer, didn't we do the crypto contract? Well, yeah, me and him got crypto together. So that's kind of where we bonded over. So we've been in crypto for, you know, for seven, eight years now. That was it, yeah, that I've worked out, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know OBJ did it and everyone was like stupid and that worked out yeah well Spencer didn't take it what he did is he he tokenized his contract so he sold pieces of his contract but he's been in crypto forever so he's been building crypto but yeah that's kind of same yeah I remember when I saw it came out he was so basically he was going to take like a small contract and that it would be funded by crypto and that would be kind of like other people right if they wanted to buy in yeah exactly kind of like an investment I guess yeah exactly so then he got a bigger deal so everybody got their payout did it end up going through yeah okay because I didn't know if the NBA was like you're not doing that dude yeah so that's kind of how me and like what happened well actually i met spencer because of because of the brand so he he was starting his own shoe brand and me and john had our brand so he reached out you know we'll look for some advice and then you know kind of led to my representing him as an agent too and then me and yeah then we me and spencer would go to china they go to like factories and stuff yeah yeah got you gotcha okay sweet so it seems like this is like a i mean i was big i was big sneakerhead coming in like 2019 2020 and it felt like

when people started getting the stimulus checks, like the resale market for sneakers was fucking crazy. Yeah. And now, like, you go to, like, footlock. You see, like, ones that are, like, sitting on the shelf now. Like, how are you, are you looking at this to be, like, a long-term thing where you'll have, like, the retros going out in 20 years, or is it, like, you're just going to be on top of the trends as they come down? I think, because a lot of people look at footwear, I was telling someone earlier there, I think a lot of people look at footwear, and then thinking, like, Nike and Adidas and stuff like that,

because it's, like, usually that's, like, athletic wear. Right. Even though you can't play in Jordans now, but before they were made for basketball, right? we're more so on like the luxury side. So I'm looked at like a designer shoe. So if you basically wear like a Louvitan shoe, that's what John Gagas looked at. Even though some of them are like, you know,

more colorful more than like a running shoe or something like that, but they're looked at as high-end shoes. So like we're in like Saxon, even Marcus, John Gagas like with like those brands, like Micah Mary or something like that. So that, I guess that I would assume is, you know, the quality is obviously a higher quality, but it seems like something like a luxury brand.

You're also more focused in on the marketing, like trying to make it seem like it's this exclusive thing. What do you do to kind of hit those notes? I can tell that one. He's the best storyteller. So John is great at telling stories. So he designs based around the story and tells the story. So, you know, a lot of it, people connect with the story.

Then, you know, his story from being from Pittsburgh and building from nothing, building on his own. Facing the big brand. We got sued by Nike, went through a lawsuit with Nike. No shit. So, like, a lot of people connect with that. And then you just kind of build out from there. And then you just keep making dope products, dope designs. And stay in, like, the lane that fits you, which is, like, ours is, like, the medium lane, you know?

Right. Is it all about collabs right now? Oh, yeah, I have, we have some really good ones on the way. Yeah. This was MLB for last opening day. This opening MLB, I have it again. I have like probably every MLB team. Yeah.

And it's called Miss Play Series, like overlapping logos. Yeah. I have WWE for Survivor Series. So I have like Stone Cold, the Rock. I have the whole attitude era. I like that. Yeah, so it's in San Diego in November. Right now I have the, I'm the first designer to ever collab with the US Army.

And that's out right now. Yeah. If you go to my social media, I have like another link where I got to collab with the US Army. which was super cool. The Army's throwing fits right now? Yeah, we have a pair of shoes, a jersey, and a jacket. That's a good way. Fuck you, Iran. We're coming, bitch. We're going to be dripped out when we're doing it.

That's pretty cool. But yeah, so I have that and I have the MLB again. Then I have NFL for the draft. It's in Pittsburgh. Sweet. I have the hats for the draft. And then I have NBA after that. I think a lot of the U.S. Army, too, is like, they realize, like, yo, like, a lot of the fashion is ripped off us.

Like, we built a lot of the fashion that people wearing us up. We think about, like, camo pants. like it came from the arm like so they're saying they want to like they want to take back and be like we want to put out collections and I'm the first it's on it they worked with that is crazy you're gonna start wearing those you'd be like dude stole valor dude where'd you serve in what battalion is they're definitely gonna see you coming in these though yeah that's true we might gotta go like night vision right here we look cool but we got shot like all the way on there um I mean something shit so they can't they can't stay at us

dude I'm kind of curious now again going back the sneaker thing like obviously the Jordans had a big moment in like 2010 to 2020 all that kind of stuff I mean they've always been huge but now like it seems like the dadware like New Balance and A6 and like Salmons like are you trying to keep an eye on what they're doing and see how it relates to you or is it really yeah because like even at Laptone those those brands are doing better than all the other brands right like our release today there was Jordans that came out new balance that came out and are sold more than theirs so I mean I know that I'm there and I'm like it's an in-storid event but like Jordans that come out remember they used to always go right and they're like one or two are getting sold now

It's crazy. Now it's the A6. Yeah, Asics are big, yeah. People really like that style of shoe now, like where it's like in this style of shoe where it's more of a runner, more of every day. Right.

Like, it's just what's in now. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Like, to me, I don't know. Who's really wearing like high top Jordans anymore? Yeah, no, cornball, dude. Match it with your fitted.

That kind of stuff. I was in that, I was in that era for a little bit. I mean, the fact that I used the ball and... No, are you a lot of smoke in here? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm like, shit, I ain't kicked out of a part. What's the back story of this, though?

We want to know. What are you just set up? Yeah, so it's a podcast called, men and we got a table today, and it's like, I'm going to start to stuff. Basically, we stole a week, 12-year-old, and now we're here, dude. There's some of the farmer's market that we just stole, we just beat them down. What do you guys do? Yeah, so we started the pod because there's so many podcasts that are just like celebrities jerking off interviewing other celebrities, and it's like you can't really relate to them as much.

There's not as much interest in your day-to-day. Yeah, well, he's a celebrity, so. Yeah, well, so yeah, we got to get jerking off. to some people wait we only jerk off one celebrity of podcast okay that's our fucking rule dude that's in the mast head notice that i said it's a nobody interviewing a celebrity it's actually it so yeah we can interview celebrities well what's like your jobs though before that or now do you have jobs too like regular jobs or just podcast he's in the department of fuck around to find out yeah i do yeah we bought we bought the jerseys from me we do work i work for the dodd and then i'm a stand-up comic at night so okay okay and then i'm a content creator for philly sports oh so when you say you have content for philly like philly in generally philly philly sports philly sports Yeah, so, like, I do a lot of man on the street stuff. So, like, interviewing people and everything, TikTok, short reels, YouTube stuff, and everything. I just kind of based on it. You know the one that's called Fits from the Streets?

No. It's, like, a fashion one where a guy walks up and someone says, like, describe your outfit. I did it today outside of Laptone and Hammer before the release. No way. I have seen that. Was that one big with, like, Playboy Cardi? Yeah. And they would do, like, a little mock or something, like mocked him. They're making fun of them after.

He's like, yeah. He's like a drag. Yeah. Dude, those Playboy Cardi fans are nuts. I don't understand. They're probably boys. Are you a Playboy Cardi guy? No, no, I'm not.

I thought all fashion designers were. Is that like, you see a face tattoo on him. You're like, you definitely got to be a Playboy guy. Is that, like, stressful being, like, working in a fashion brand and being in that thing where, like, every morning you wake up and you got to wear cool shit. Does it ever get, like, overwhelming? I mean, I just, I'm a big vintage tea person. So, like, I wear, like, dirty T-shirts, like, every day, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So usually jeans are shorts of that. And then now my uniform is usually a powered hat, but I'm in Philly I wear this one. True. But I wear a Pittsburgh Pirates hat every day. Yeah. I'll probably wear a Pittsburgh power hats for the past, like, four years straight. Pirates. Underrated a little.

I think, like, being a designer, you have less pressure to dress nice. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's being an influencer, that you have to do it, right? Because I get to wave a lot more. If I have, like, rip pants, they're like, oh, like, it's a designer. Oh, true. You're tripped pants. He's like, you know, are you homeless?

You know, your grandfather didn't. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What do you guys got coming up? Anything good? Anything you're doing today or anything? I'm getting waved off because we got flights and stuff. So you're late too, no?

Go ahead. I got a little bit. We've got to leave, I got an hour. They got to leave, though, but. Yeah, 100%. We'll be put up on you. What's your, we got to add to social media. Yeah, he's got all the, he'll send you all the, I mean, he'll tell you all those.

Is this like live or just like you put it up later? Just YouTube and Spotify podcast and all that stuff. What's the most interesting job you came across so far? You guys are up there? You want to do next? We interviewed the governor of Pennsylvania. That's cool. That's cool.

That's cool. So you guys are up there, you guys are... Look, I'm getting people, I'm getting... I'm not sure if you wanted me to just start telling people to come over. Your checks in the mail, did we appreciate it. Do you want to get on here? Our lives are the most... You live in Puerto Rico?

We don't get it. I know. He's about to go back to Puerto Rico and drive a golf cart around all later. A crypto guy living in Puerto Rico? I appreciate you guys jumping on. Cheers. I think we just met a famous fashion design. Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

I mean, I... And that's the only way you could... If I would have known that guy was famous, I would have clammed up. No, you had to know who's famous. You don't dress like that if you're not famous. you'd be surprised I mean that's one of those things were sneakily

like you look at he's wearing just like a regular outfit I guarantee that was like a $1,500 outfit he came and put his feet on the table yeah he big dog was pretty quick

we couldn't even I couldn't even I couldn't get my tussies on the table we got manhandled and we didn't do anything about it we were just like you guys drove so cool we're such pussies dude

you're like clabs you got that's really stuck in your crawl after that dude no those guys course he likes clabs dude it's all about fucking clabs now it's also cool being around

like truly cool dudes who, like, they have an air of confidence that I just cannot relate to whatsoever. You know, it's so funny because, like, that guy next to me, he lives in Puerto Rico and he's a crypto bro. And, like, that's a guy that I would make fun of on the internet. And then he, like, just meet him in person. It's like, hey, he just has some pretty good business ideas. Yeah, he's just a nice guy. Well-spoken, smart dude. Had a good family. Raised him white.

Spencer did raise him white? What was that? Right. Right. Wow, what's different. Dress is like a guy that I can't even comprehend what I would also make fun of. But you know what? He was a good guy in the end. Great guy in the end. That's what this podcast is all about. He offered his shoes three different times, and you kind of glossed over it. I was like, I will take the shoes that you're offering.

Yeah, he did offer his shoes, and I don't want your fucking handouts. I want the hands out. Speak for yourself, dude. Socialism peoples. I want the handouts. Universal health care pupils ever here. But no, yeah, that was a good time. What's your name?

Chase. Chase. How we doing, boys? How the hell are you, Chase? I'm doing pretty good. Ninety-196. 98. All right.

That was close, all right. That feels like a. That feels like a new 2000s kind of name. Chase is a cool name. Chase started to get big, yeah. Before Chase Utley came around it. I'm pre-Chace Utley. You're pre-Chice.

Before the name blew up. Exactly. Your PC, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You are... PC, I love it. Pre-cha. I mean, you're the MacBook before it got big.

That's... I've heard that before. It goes around. Yeah, of course, dude. It's better than being Crystal Pepsi. That's true. RIP to the big dogs upstairs. I work in reinsurance.

Nobody knows. what that is. No, I know what that is because we've had a reinsurer on, remember? I'm not surprised. It's probably a lot. You insure the big companies of their insurance. Yeah, it's a insurance for insurance companies. Oh, okay. I kind of had that. And I happen to be a reinsurance broker, which we're not even the insurance company. We're the middleman. It's probably, people probably hate us. Yeah, it's pretty evil, maybe. Why do you? No, everybody seems, all my friends hate insurance. You know, everybody complains about

the car insurance and but as soon as you you know my friend in Mannyunk everybody knows the homes in Mannyunk are old as shit yeah a fucking chimney fell on top of his car smashed it to bits

and he was talking shit on insurance for weeks and weeks and he's like dude what am I going to do I'm like bro you got insurance this is my moment I'm like dude they're going to cover the whole car he's like this is the best day of my life dude I feel like I've used that excuse to get out of work

I'm like sorry I can't make it in a fucking chimney fell on my car straight up the chimney wish I could make it flattened his car. Dude, what the hell was Santa doing there? I actually get pro-insurance. Okay.

Because I came out to my car once going to work. Yeah. It was totaled. And it was like a brand new Honda fit. Oh, yes, I fit in it. Mr. Incredible in that thing, dude. It's fucking crazy. It's rude.

Strong gust of window blow your car over. You got to be careful. People don't understand. Honda sponsor the podcast. Honda Fits are one of the roomiest things in the world. You ever seen Shack and a Buick? Yeah. Yeah, that's me and the Honda Fit.

They're a sponsor, though? No, I wish. You think we're sitting in a podcast? Possibly biased. If Honda was sponsored this podcast? I think we're sitting in the square. We'd be in a temperature-controlled room. Be careful, dude.

My 2009 Honda-C-RV is purring in a $33 lot. Without Fri-on. That's exactly right. So I came out, the car was totaled, but brand new. Just got four new tires, only like 10,000 miles on. I brought it from an old lady who kind of went, you not so. So you got a good deal. Got $10,11,000.

Got fired for my job, got a job in the city of Comcast, never needed a car. It's the greatest investment I've ever made in my life in all thanks to car insurance. Fuck yeah. Let me get this clip. I'll be like put this everywhere to my friends. This is great.

This is what I needed. I love insurance. I don't know that I can get to loving insurance. I might be a team not love it insurance, too. You can be a hater. Everybody's a hater until they use it. So they need it. You never know what you need insurance until you need it.

Yeah, I mean, I guess so. I guess with the guy who kidnaps a woman and holds her hostage. What insurance is this? Huh? What insurance is this? I'm trying to make a goddamn analogy here. Are we on the same part? Do you know what insurance is? I've heard rumors.

I'm not sure, dude. I can't fucking read. It's like when you're kidnapping a woman, you know. Classic insurance. That's how it all starts. You guys asked me what I did yesterday. I'm trying to tell you. No, I'm trying to make an analogy.

Let's go. You're saying you don't like it until you need it. Okay. The equivalency that I'm trying to make is you're kidnapped, a.k.a. having insurance. And then once the guy lets you go, you're like, that guy's great. He let me go. That was sick that that guy let me go.

I get what you're saying. There's a word for that. It's the Stockholm. Stockholm syndrome. So do you, so you're insuring, like, is it health care? Is it specifically automobile? No, that was just an example. We do reinsurance for every sort of company.

It's mainly commercial. So, like, so basically, sorry to cut you off because you wouldn't know this better, but basically what we had with the other person was like, if a, if a Sixers fan falls off the elevator coming down and dies. Right. That would be a liability claim, correct. So a premise liability. That was way better than your fucking analogy.

Yeah, man. Sorry, dude. I'm sorry, dude. I'm fucking late the podcast right now. Don't do this to me, dude. You're going to start a beast. Uh-oh. Yeah, I'm going to get real scary.

He gets mad? I didn't know he gets mad. I don't know. I don't know. I'm on the run. I'm actually more of on a walk. So the insurance, I can't take it away. Because I don't know, I have like, I think what it is.

Here's, here's what we can get to a point of understanding. For those who don't like insurance, because I think we think that they're could be an alternative that is like less costly, less jumping through hoops to get your pay out, less dealing with like kind of a middleman. Do you think there are other alternatives that could be in place of insurance from like a grander scheme? There is things out there. There's something called a captive insurance company.

Okay. This is we're getting in the weeds here. You said a captive insurance company? A captive insurance company, man. Great analogy on my part then, dude. A guy holding a woman captive. Which is crazy, actually, you say that. Yeah.

So this is a bunch of individual companies create their own insurance company, right? As a captive, they all control it, and they all insure each other, essentially. Okay. So they just ignore the entire insurance system. They don't go to a company. They don't go to reinsurance. They just go, they create their own company just for themselves. That's what the EPL wanted to do with Super League.

Remember that when the EPO wanted to take the top eight teams? They wanted to get all the, you know, most expensive teams. Instead of being split with the shitty teams below them, they said we're all going to package together and be the best league. Basically, insurance is just, basically insurance is just ahead of college football, because this is where college football is going. With NIL and all these TV rights deals, they're going to take the best teams from the Big 10, yeah, they're going to take the best teams. conferences are dead. They're dead.

Temple can't compete right now. That's what it is. Temple Howard today, 2 o'clock powerhouse game, man. I got to get out of here because we're actually ready to go. You're not going to the game, are you guys? Is it home? I think so. I'm going next to me for Oklahoma.

I'm an alum. Oh, me too. Oh, let's go. 22 on your thigh. I want to make this joke before we leave. Go ahead. The number of insurance claims you denied on this month? Today, actually.

It's been a busy thing. You know, it's got a lot of different, you know, it's fucking two. You know, Mac to Marco? Two by Mac to Marco, best album. I was 22. This is like the cover of the album, this little fucking two. You're feeling 22? I don't know.

Yeah, Taylor Swift. I was at the Phillies game, actually. Some kid comes up to me and sees that. He's like, big McCutcheon fan. from fucking like it was like three years ago fucking i'm like no not really guys on a contract here not exactly is uh is mac de marco the guy who talks his music um who's the guy i'm thinking of where he like he'll he did like a tiny desk concert it's just him yeah that's expressively talking is that that's probably is that big mac he released uh like 500 song album this year

um of all of his like fucking shitty songs that he's just kind of fucking around with yeah it's the longest album in history um what'd you think that was garbage Is that right? I mean, it's 500 just garbage songs, but he's just kind of a weird, quirky guy like that. You kind of dress like him. Yeah, I know. I've been doing it.

I don't know. You seem like you might be a fan. Could you insure a guy like this? We couldn't even get near you. Look at the thighs. You're in danger. I see them. They're bulbous.

They're bulbous. Dude, don't ever say that 22 thigh. I got 15 thighs, dude. That's the number I'm getting all in mine. What are you hiding in there? Huh? No. It's secrets of the universe, dude.

What am I hiding there? It's the stench of fish. That's what I'm hiding. Christ's sake, dude. I haven't showered in eight weeks. We're in a hot-ass park right now. It's so hot. This is insane, dude.

It is hot today. Listening to the gospel. Any parting, interesting things you buy you seem like a very fun, cool guy. You are a fun, cool guy. Oh, well, I appreciate that. You're Chase. I'm Chase. Correct.

Me and my homie Patty Showboats. Okay. We like to host parties around the city. Just fucking, just dumb-ass shit around the city. So I'm MC Barron. And what does Patty Showboat do when it gets on? there when you unleash the beach how do you show us we have to keep him in check he's he's he likes to play the garbage he's like you know every DJ likes to get into their thing they're like

oh this is that underground shit nobody knows about this yeah that's for a reason yeah we keep it down there he's like Mac to Marco has a new album out you guys got to check this out my own no let's keep it hidden far away from the crowd so yeah mc baron and patty showbo's check us out man we're uh we fuck her out we have a good time where do you DJ at anywhere emce yeah uh last night could find patty showbutts at vinyl he's always around you know all the usual spots up in the fish town the ave whatever yeah oh yeah the old district nine there you go these people are really fucking up my concentration yeah my too i'm my my mind's actually getting into the mic now it's it's serious it's loud you guys might need to pivot you might need

a new spot or we're getting out or maybe get in there true honestly honestly if three guys named chase kyle and matt walk up towards that there's going to be a lot of issues going on. It's struck by lightning. It's going to look like a fucking ice trio walking over there, us three, dude. Gotta be careful, bro. We're going to ice tray, the game.

Ice tray, TRE. Like you DJing, is that how you, like, kind of... It's my weekend. You know, I can't say reinsurance is the light of my life. It's not keeping me going in the morning. And no six-year-olds right, and I want to be a reinsurer when I grow up. They don't.

They don't even know... It's almost a trap. You get stuck here. You're not leaving. But it's a good time. You know, whatever. fine, it pays the bills. Back to that captive insurance thing, I thought that was kind of interesting.

Yeah, man. So a bunch of companies just got together and we're just like, I don't need insurance, I need you, we need to all kind of pull our money together because why do they do that? When there's an insurance company in play, right, you have to pay for, they're looking to make a profit. An insurance company is, right? And they have employees and they have all this bullshit that's adding all. You pay for that with your premium. You know, with your insurance premium, with your car premium, you're paying the agent, you're paying all this shit.

that you cut out if you cut out all those middlemen you cut out the profit piece you're not trying to profit when you when you make your own company you just want to pay the cheapest amount of premium as possible sure so when you all own the company you're all members of it if there is any profit or if you pay too much you put you're pretty much putting money in a big pot and then if there's money left at the end of the year that you guys didn't need for for claims Christmas party yeah you just take it out and do whatever you want with it okay I mean that makes sense I get that. But isn't it like basically you could just do that? Is that not just what universal health care would be with just different words? Like instead of paying a premium, you pay taxes in

towards it and it goes towards like a government that you have some visibility on it. That's exactly right. It's one of those things where it comes into play, is the government going to be as effective? Manage that money properly? Is it really going to be as effective? I get that argument. I just go back and forth on where I look at like if it was with the government, their only incentive technically would be to service the people as. well as possible because it's a pool of money coming from them, as opposed to a business, their main goal is they have shareholders that they have to kind of serve to. I think you're thinking about health insurance.

That might be what's, for health insurance, that's a good argument. I think you could be on to something with that, where health is something that everybody pretty much has health insurance. Everybody would be looking for it, right? Yeah. But this is for reinsurance and all these captives. This is for like commercial insurance or maybe for car insurance or liability. So this is stuff that not everybody even.

in needs. You know what I mean? So this is for a company. But for health insurance, yeah, that's a great topic of discussion. You know, you could go on and on about that, where is it, is it a right to have your health covered? That's a great point. Yeah. How about that? Chase, Kyle, and Matt talk about universal health care. Yeah, what the hell? Break and stereotypes, dude. That's very interesting. My mind is just going back and forthway. I guess with the captain, going back to the captain thing for a second, the companies also take a risk. Like, God forbid like some major thing happens and it's like yeah exactly it's like hey guys company a

has to take all the money in the pool because something nuts happen it's great point Kyle thank you chase that is where my company comes into play okay so these companies they create now can go into the reinsurance market and then you can do something called an excess of loss policy so anything over X amount of dollars gets seated right to these reinsurance companies. So it's kind of like a stop loss. So anything, you're like, we're not going to have more losses than this. And then you see, you pay up front a little bit for that coverage. Okay. Got it. Kind of deductibles in a way? It's like a deductible. It's like, well, it's like paying for literally just regular insurance. Think of it as regular insurance. You're

paying for this premium, except it's way higher up. So it's like anything excess of a $5 million loss. And it's supposed to happen like once every, like we have, my friend, at work he's a catastrophe modeler yeah that's a cool job that's a way cooler title than mine hurricanes tornadoes and shit all day yeah so hurricanes and they they just model it and say what's the amount of years we'd expect this to happen so like one in 10 years then we need to get a tenth of the cost of that if it's going to happen one in 10 years and then over those 10 years you pay for it that makes sense i don't know you kind of spread it out over the 10 years yeah and that's a contract yeah and that's what the and that's what the premium is yeah

exactly it. I really, I have, my dumb brain relates everything. It's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, yeah, I mean, it's all. Were you, like, do you guys insure, like, commodities? Like, I remember in the 2008 financial crisis, I know a lot of that stemmed from insurances crossing over to back these, these loans that were kind of horses. Yeah, so that was, like, for mortgage insurance. That's not something I work on. Our company does do that. Um, I think they obviously got into some pretty hairy shit. They got it. Fair enough. They were bad boys, dude. They were breaking the rules. I mean, you can break the rules in any industry, but when you do it in something like insurance where it's people's livelihood on the line, obviously, that's when it's like, oh, shit, that's really, so it's pretty fucking noticeable. Like, obviously, there's illegal shit always happening in financial markets, but it's not breaking, you're not foreclosing people's homes on it every day. So, yeah, that was pretty evil. That was tough, dude.

That was a tough times, brother. The Big Short, I mean, it's great, it's great, it's great, I learned everything about it from the Big Shoe. And you don't need any more than that. Huh? Better book. Never run the book. I just want to be the better book guy.

You're the Harry Potter guy. He's a better book. Back to your boy, Aaron. When's the big boom? I know he's forecasting it every day. What's our next 2012? This is projected to be a big hurricane year. It's going to be a mess.

You ever heard of the El Nino? Oh, yeah. El Nino year. That guy broed out and just talked about insurance. I like hearing the understanding that there's like a seedy underbelly. I think that's what makes it more interesting. It's like it's a job in it of itself, but then it's like, are you guys doing bad stuff. I wish more people would get into that, but I feel like when we ask some prying

questions, they tense up a little bit. Yeah, they do have a livelihood to worry about, which I sympathize with to some extent. Should we go audio? Huh? We should do straight audio. Straight audio. Yeah, don't worry about it. Nobody will see you, and they'll have no idea who you are when you give your full name and where you work at. You should be right as rain. Designer guy, though, dude, he probably taught you a thing or two. You've got to step up your wear. I'm perfectly comfortable being in the middle of a bro to a future father. And I think that's where my style kind of lays right now. Okay.

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