Men At Work Podcast - Comedians, Madden, and Us Sellout to Saudi Arabia!

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

If you're not selling out to Saudi Arabia what're you even doing? Get your bag. We talk about the Riyadh Comedy Festival, Saudi Arabia buying Madden, and debate a Advertising professional about Artificial Intelligence's ability to create good ads for people. 0:00 - Reacting to the Riyadh Comedy Festival 13:30 - Thoughts on Weddings 17:76 - Reacting to the Riyadh Comedy Festival (Part 2) 21:20 - Reacting to Saudi Arabia Buying EA Sports 30:34 - Matt Performs Comedy at a Frat House 36:28 - Debating a Creative Advertising Pro About Artificial Intelligence 52:00 - A Woman Trucker Tells Us the Worst State to Drive In About Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for a living? After that the conversation flows from there. We've talked to substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and the Governor of Literal Pennsylvania. And we'll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a furry convention, and more! Whether we like it or not, our jobs are most of our lives - might as well yap about it. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/men-at-work-podcast/id1373108039 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4XcFWt0I6gFvMotqDp5bsZ?si=2273debc08e5485d If you want more bonus content check out Office Hours a weekly workplace advice show on Patreon that subscribers submit their questions to and we answer them: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod *If you subscribe to the Patreon consider subscribing on a desktop or website or an android device, NOT THROUGH iOS (Apple) APP. Apple takes 30% of every month you're subscribed (yea they suck). Follow Us: The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcast https://www.instagram.com/menatpod/ Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedy https://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/ Follow Kyle: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancb Follow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

I just hope that I'm still alive for when the Saudi royal family owns the Eagles. And I can just listen to Bobby from South Philly, call into WIP, just complaining about Muhammad al-a-Balabal Bing Bang, not spending money on some half-AI robot, half-human cubic. Yeah, look, look, obviously I love what Prince Ahad is done with the franchise since he's taken over. But to give Hertz five years, $245 trillion straight from his pocket, I don't know about that. Welcome back to the episode of Men at Work. I'm Kyle Pagan, as always joined by my guy, Matt Peoples.

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the more we can do cool stuff like that to show you us. Yeah. Big week this week. Do the Saudis own everything now? Saudi's the big dogs in charge, dude. Fun fact, this is to lead off the conversation. It's called Saudi Arabia because the king's ship or whatever is the Saudi family. That's beast, dude.

So it should just be Arabia, right? I think it's just Arabia, but the family was like, nah, we'll put our name in there. It's so sick. Wow. It's a big dog move. Listen to me trying to sound good to these guys so they can buy our podcast. Just a heads up. Me and Kyle will sell out this podcast for maybe six figures, a low six figures.

Oh, no, no, definitely six figures. Yeah. Definitely six figures. Like at some point, it's got to be something. It's got to be something. Not that this is even worse six figures, but it's got to be something. It's got to wet the beak a little bit. You got to absolutely wet the beak.

But I'm not going to let you. If it gets towards like 80 grand, you and I are going to have a conversation. I mean, with taxes and everything, we're looking at like a poverty level, a poverty level annual salary at that point, splitting that. Sure. We're looking at a poverty level standpoint. But for those two months, we're going to live it up. What are you going to do with $40,000? Nothing.

That's exactly. I'm going to not do the podcast. Get cerebral tickets? Have two Saudi guys buy us out and they sit down. Welcome to another episode. I'd buy a falcon. Huh? I'd buy a fucking falcon.

You should buy a falcon. Thank God you're in a silly mood. I'm dying from a hangover right now. If you bought a falcon and midway through the podcast, you just have it land and then fly away, that would be huge for our brand. If you're late one more time and you were later late one more time, I'd have my falcon peck your fucking eyes out. Well, we did say 515. You got here at 5. That was a U decision.

I got here at 515. Vito got here at 505. What time did you get here, Matt? 529. 536. Wrong. It was 5. It's not even 536.

It's 6.45 is when the sun goes down, dude. We are on borrowed time. And we're going to make a... Well, you got a hot start till. We're talking to Saudis. We're talking about my body. Don't turn this on the Saudis. Don't turn this on Mohammed al-a-la-la-ba-bba-bba-bba-bba-ding-dong.

Yes, and I'll take another, sir, please. Dude, I love our Saudi kings and for real. The whole... So they're trying to buy EA sports with, like, Trump's son-in-law? Yeah, we'll get into the EA sports in a little bit. I want to talk about the Rihanna Comedy Festival. A lot of people got a lot of thoughts on the Rihata Comedy Festival. If you didn't know, it's like a 10-day-long comedy festival.

It's featuring guys like Dave Chappelle, Bill Burr, Lewis C.K., Pete Davidson, performing week-long festival in Saudi Arabia in the city of Riyadh. Yes. And the Sixers are in Abu Dhabi right now. Yeah, where's all the guys going, dude? All the good guys are going to the bad side. I mean, look, I don't want to levy any accusations, but there are some thoughts that these boys were bad boys in the early 2000s.

That's all I was saying, all right? Yeah, I mean, is it bad that I don't have an opinion on it, and I think my opinion is I do not care. I am in get your bag mood. I think there is to an extent you can get your bag, but I think when the bag did 9-11, you kind of have to show a little bit of pause, maybe. Is it bad that I'm more shocked by Bill Burr?

going over than Pete Davidson who literally the Saudi family killed his fucking father. Dude, it's like it's like Simba going and getting paid by Scar to make him laugh. It's crazy dude. Simba doing a couple knock knock jokes in the cave to the hyenas. That's so brutal, dude. Yeah, the Bill

Berwyn's nuts. I don't wait to be king. I don't want to hear King alabala ding dang. Again, these are all jokes I must say because we'll get into this later too because there's a couple orders came out Saudis, we'll delete

this, we'll delete this podcast just like we deleted the Cheeeasy Patreon episode, dude, we'll delete this shit

so fast if you come with you guys got to bring the bag drop the bag off and we'll delete this one and we'll just be like al-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-

okay while we're at good call oh la la la la la la deck the halls with Saudi ornaments thank you to our powerful leaders and kings deck the halls with

Jamashik's hands The boys are feeling a little violent today That's another cut right there Oh, come on, what was you trying to silence me there? El King met, people's those, la, la, la, la, blah? I am the new king. I'm a portly king, and I'm telling you, settle down before I have my minions.

This is what I think about the whole thing. Then say it. It's so funny coming from, I mean, obviously you do some comedy and stuff, but like, how are we going to have anything, anything to say about this when if you backed up a little 375,000, check to do 75 minutes of comedy I'd be on the next flight to wherever you want you want to me to do it in

in Jalalabad? Sure. You want me to do it in Baghdad? I'll do it in fucking Baghdad. I'll do it for the fucking Taliban. I think you... 400 grand? But dude, a one slip-up and the laughter ceases and then three armed guards come and pull you off the stage. You've got to be careful. You're an idiot. Here's every joke that every joke that

comedian has. Me and my wife were outside yesterday and they go, you'd let her go outside. They're not going to find that funny. Who cares? They have the bag Tim Dillon got Tim Dillon They said They took away his

They hired him And then they said Well you said too much Bad shit about the Saudis So now we're We're we're canceling your tour date He's still got to keep the deposit Oh I thought he bailed

It was taking like a principled stance I didn't realize that they were like To fuck out of here He just literally spent an hour Just making fun of everything That was like wrong with the Saudis And said basically how they have slaves And everything and like

The people they're good But the people who are like running it Who are paying him are bad people. Basically, what's like he was saying? He's making a joke out. You're making funny. The Saudis were going to, they probably were like, we heard what you said and we cannot have stuff like that here. And they were like, oh, you heard all the stuff you said about the Saudis? And they're like, no, we found out he was gay. It's like, you can't come

anymore, dude. This is my stance on it. Is it really worse than what people are doing performing in the U.S. right now? No, that's kind of the thing. It's like you really can't, you can't do anything anywhere without there being blood on your hands in the times that we live in. It's my favorite thing. It's where it's like, people are like, we have to take a stand against so-and-so or child labor and it's like you're tweeting from an iPhone made by a Chinese 9-year-old

Okay, don't give me that argument That's good dude, I like those arguments That's, well, you would have liked the guy Who is no longer with us then This is how I stay sane in this crazy fucked up world Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, middleman Kyle That's what I've always, I've always wish I had a take On one side of the other

I've just come to grips that I'm a middleman Yeah, but you don't, you can't be a middleman I'm a middleman You can't be a middleman That's what they want You can be the hot take Stephen A That's how I'll be And I'll just be...

Max Callerman. Yeah. Yeah. Max Calman got, he got fired because he was like, yeah, I enjoyed the sport. I think these players are good. And they're like not hot enough, get out. 100%. I mean, like, if you, I mean, the sad part about everything is like how much the Middle East has

their hands and everything. Did you know they have a part in Madison Square Garden? So if like, if someone's performing in Madison Square Garden, well, how does that mean? What do you mean they had a hand? They have an investment in Madison Square Garden. Oh, well, sure, sure. That's kind of like, it's almost separate from, I think, the pool of money that they

have is somewhat separate from the actual governance of the state like i think it's the family's money but it's not necessarily based in like their government yeah the p i f the private i don't know whatever it is yeah the p i f and then uh who else joined with them jett the cuchner the lake silver lake which just sounds like an evil you want to move over to ea sports now i just look my final thing about the comedy festival i think whether you do it or you don't it's hard to like put a moral thing on it but while you're there and you're collected the money you should probably have some thoughts about the grander scheme of what's happening. And if you come out of that and you're like,

look, dude, $2 million to $2 million, whatever, man, there's a special place downstairs for you that you'll be seeing in the afterlife. But if you say, hey, you know what, it's not really worth selling my soul to a evil regime that just killed a journalist. Maybe I'll just stay home and work at the Helium Comedy Philly. That was four years ago. Okay, move on.

You can't move on. You don't believe it's second chances? Dude, you sound like Trump now. That was four years ago. That was Biden. You're still worried about this, yeah? Steve Ryan? Guys, are he still talking about the riot five comedy festival so wait wait so you want to be more hot takes man you should like you should

really go over there and you should think you should have a nice little think in your in your five-star hotel that the uh Saudi royal family paid for yes bill burr you go over there after you just lecture us on being on on how much billionaires suck and CEOs are the worst people in the world that's the crazy and then you go over there and you and you get your one point five two million dollars and you tell and you put you have a think make sure you have a think tank moment I can't wait for that bill bar sitting alone in his thing going dude I'm in fucking I've Dobby, dude, what the hell am I doing here, dude? The only way Bill Burr ever gets back on my side

if he has another Philly incident, but this time in Riyadh. He'd really... Because, like, honestly, we are watching where... We literally can see where Bill Burr had his Philly incident right over the river right there. Yeah, beautiful New Jersey. And you're going to tell me that you're not going to have a Rihata incident. A Rihata incident would feed families.

Yeah, he's kind of... I guess that is a good point. He is kind of fucked out where everything he says, it's like, yeah, dude, but you do literally have millions of dollars of bloodline. Yeah. For some reason, if they told me that they got offered $140 to do this festival, I wouldn't feel that bad about it. I think it's something weird about the amount of money you're being paid. Oh, yeah?

The more that that grows, it's got to feel disgusting. Matt, you are hot takes today. Yeah, I just think if they came out and they're like, for real, I made like $130. I paid for my own flight. You're making salient points right now. That's not a salient point. Yes, it is. Is that right?

You're making points that I think a lot of the people think of. You know what actually pisses me off more about people or about celebrities than them doing the Riyadhic comedy, festival, which I, again, don't really give a shit about, is like Serena Williams doing commercials for GLP-1s. Yeah, I've seen that, too. Does Serena Williams need OZempic money? Does she need OZempic, period? You're a professional athlete, lady.

Figure it out. I mean, her fucking husband invented Reddit. Is that right? He's a billionaire. The British dude, no? He's a British guy? I don't know. His name's Alexi O'Hannion or something like that.

He invented Reddit. She invented Reddit. She went from Drake to Common to the Reddit inventor. That'd be so sick if, like, he thought she was gaining weight, so he started a sub-repanion. bred out of them like shit talking how big she's gotten after the career she's like he's like baby this is crazy that you're talking about you like this i can't be what they're saying either venus was always hotter that's crazy is that not weird that people are saying that all right well there's this thing called semi-glutide have you heard of this and then also dude if you're that's the

difference between you to talk about the difference between male athletes and female athletes even post-career male athletes are better because you just look at any NBA player now that's in his 50s and he's fat as fuck and he's a millionaire and he's not worried about it yeah but then you have those offensive linemen that you lose a bunch of weight i yeah i don't like that i don't like that yeah that freaks me out well i think you have to go the opposite direction of however you were so if you're an offensive lineman and you were ginormous for your entire life it's probably almost like a relief to be like oh my god i can have a salad thank god it's also like but like going back to like the whole the whole um like celebrities doing an insane amount of money he's like

does anthony edwards have to do wing stop commercials guys sound a wet max deal dude i mean this is like the sydney swiney theory it's like why are you in every commercial bitch aren't you loaded? What is sit down for a little bit? I don't know. Is Sydney's when he considered loaded? I think at this point she's probably signing on to do movies for at least like a eight-figure contract every time.

I don't know if they were still giving those away like that. Those tits are producing milk and money all at once, folks. That's disgusting that I said that. I'm sorry, Mom and Dad. I'm sorry, I'm hung over, dude. I had a drink. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm pretty sure this weekend I had, if I had to give a rough estimate, I'm not exaggerating.

I think over the course of like two and a half days, I had 67 beers. and you feel it and I deserved it I took off today I had to take off today I had a Friday rehearsal dinner You took off today and you're still late Yeah and that crazy

I was giving you grace I know that's crazy I can't believe it either I fucking can't believe This guy stinks huh This pisses me the I do you should be furious That's crazy that I

God No you're exactly right If I had a Saudi Connect right now We're working on it You would have no left hand Dude I knew it would be good content for the show If I was a little bit late

After being off I just do these things for the bits I don't even like doing Yeah when the sun goes down 645 and we're here at 5-51, yeah, you know, and we're only like 15 minutes in. Right, no, no. Yeah, okay, so you get it.

World's your oyster. Shut up, too. World's your oyster, dude. Look, I was late two weeks in a row, and God forbid, look at me now. Oh, look at them now. I love you guys, all right? I'm sorry, I made a mistake. The sun is setting on our night and our friendship.

But no, let's hear more about your 67 beers. I'm sure I'm going to love this. Yeah, you are going to love this. You like this kind of stuff, dude, because it's coming up for you this very weekend. Hit a rehearsal dinner on Friday. That was a lighter day, okay? Nothing too bad. But this is like when you become an adult, you just have things to go to all the time no matter what,

and you never get to just sit and be like, relax. I'm being a whiny bitch. Just empathize with me for a second. Okay, I will. I will. I'll try to grab that deep down and let's do it. See if you can find it. Saturday, wake up early, have to drive the ladies to the girl's house.

Okay. And I tell myself, I woke up at like 6.45. I'm just going to stay up. I'm just one of them guys. Be up early, get shit done. Went right back to sleep. I went right back to sleep. I don't even make it to my bedroom.

I slept on my couch, like a fat pig. How long? two and a half hours. That's good. That's good. You're up by 915. Not bad. I was supposed to go help set up for my friend's birthday party on the Sunday, but luckily I got the text that said, don't worry about it. I know you got to go to the wedding. I said, it sounds good to me. I will be going to the wedding. So I go to the wedding. I have to pick up a boyfriend on the way to the wedding, because I'm just fucking driving Miss Daisy. Between you and these people, I should start collecting Uber money. Like the PIF. Who owns Uber, by the way.

And F1. Yeah, and F1. They really have a lot of car connects. Jesus Christ. Probably Audi and Aramco oil I can't wait to see when they finally buy Ford And they still have those like Ford pro-America commercials That have like a salty prince still driving at the truck Like a rock Oh, like a rock

That could be you in the pro-america commercial Where you just have an eagle land on your fucking forearm Yeah, we're going to be a Falcon now Falcon and an eagle, do both So go to the wedding The wedding is just like From you come this room, then you drink here Then you go to this room, you drink here

And you go to this room and you drink here Sounds like a wedding Then you go to a trolley, and then on the trolley, guess what? You're drinking on the trolley. Then you get back for the after party. The after party goes till 2 a.m. Nice. More drinking there.

Wake up bright and early Sunday for a breakfast, the going away breakfast. That's dumb. It was a tough one. Day after breakfast, that's one thing we had to stop. I know we talked about if we became president. I think we said like free ice cream, maybe free water rice, pizza parties on Fridays. Let's stop with the breakfast after the wedding.

That is stupid. Maybe a brunch, but in all reality, and I love these people. They're all great people. I understand it just best intentions. It's not their fault. They just learned from other people. That's right. So we hit the breakfast, quick, half hour, eat some runny eggs.

It dripped on my lip, and I was in the middle of a conversation with somebody. And Gab was like, hey, you have egg coming down your lip. And I was like, I just look disgusting. My face is huge. So we leave there because we have to go set up for my friend's birthday party. Okay. Drive all the way over there. Set up.

That's a fool. Watch the Eagles. Drink a bunch of beers. Hang with your born as 30th. Okay. Got home, ate a burger and fries in my underwear. Went to bed. Shirtless?

Shirtless. In front of the lady. I said, is this not decadent? Is this not what you chose when you were a small girl laying in your room, looking out the window up at the stars, saying, what will the man of my dreams be like? What will the man that completes me, fulfill me with? And it's a fat slut slop, sitting on her couch, eating the burger that she ordered with her money. And then now I'm here, and I was late.

I'm really sorry, and I'm trying to deal with that through humor to so you guys aren't that angry with me, but I can feel the tension as soon as I arrived. Yeah, the tension was strong. You cut it with a knife, but you know what? we just we just keep going Was there some crap talk before I got here?

I don't think there was not much crap talk I can love with that Was there any crap talk? Yeah you were late an hour when I was gone Late an hour When was that?

The one episode that we never released Because you guys couldn't film the audio No you had a misunderstanding Of what our time was I told you I think

I don't know I'll just say I'm wrong You're right I apologize I'll give you $100 I'm sorry dude I don't think It's definitely not an hour

You fold like a cheap suit Dude, have a backbone. It's, having a backbone is exhausting. And I think I definitely was late. It was not an hour. I think we told the guests to be there at 11.30. And I was saying that we would get there at 11. I don't remember what it was.

I think we had a way right. Wrap that, uh, wrap that Riyadhara Comedy Festival thing up. Is this the, is this the end of the comedy boom? Uh, I think this is the, like, this is the late stage capitalism of the comedy boom. We've had, like, the peaks of like 2018 to 2022 was really like the, that was our 1920s. People are making money, hand over fist. I would say it's, it's easy. even 2023, 24, I feel like there was a boom.

I felt like that was the opposite side of the bell curve, though. That's when it started to kind of peter out a little bit. I mean, especially 2020, it's like every comedian you find out was like a pedophile or a rapist. That was a tough thing. The Chrystallia era. Yeah, that was a tough one. Chris DeL. Ryan Cowan, all those L.A. guys were like, hey, you guys are might be scumbags. But, uh, yeah, I think once you start accepting millions of dollars from other foreign governments that are

potentially hostile, you might have to reconsider where you're at in terms of the comedy scene. That's, I think, where I'm going to land. think this is kind of like the exit of the good times of comedy go get your bag everybody because we don't know what the fuck's going to happen in the next decade dude the techno the technocrats are just going to figure us out they're going to see how they want to just they're going to throw some of us over here pita teal's going to throw some of us over here palanterer wants to be a lifestyle brand now um so it's like guys guys we're the the empire's over go get yours if you if if you said yes to this festival and then you backed out i saw one guy uh i forget his name

But I've seen him on YouTube a couple of times. He had like a whole TikTok about like I was going to go. Now I'm not going to go. You're an idiot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Stack your bag. Also, don't admit it.

Don't say you were going to go at any point. Just like I've always been. Because you can make a bag off saying I'm the guy who's not going. He was on the flyer. Oh, okay. I think he was like Haram or something like that. Oh, he, okay. He definitely should have fit in like a glove.

Come on. Get over there, brother. They got guys like Bill Burr. Yeah. That's so funny that Bill Burr's going to get on stage and all those guys. you'd be like, what a dumb fucking name, Bill Burr. Just noises. Peter Davidson.

What do you think about Gillis not going? I think that makes sense. I think, because that's like the true pro-America stuff is to be like, I'm not fucking going over there. They could kick rocks for all I care. Yeah, I would like to see if Shane Gillis wouldn't have went over there after you just did 100 arenas and probably made $100 million this year. Yeah, that's kind of funny that you can become so rich that you become ethical,

that you're like, I don't even care about money like that. That's actually how rich people are. I think apparently he said he said no And they tried to double it on him Yeah that'd be tough Which is the funniest thing in the world That like Shane Gillis Who like back in 2019

Was like persona non grata It wasn't even like a humongous comedian But he was persona non grata To now being The bastion of ethics Yes It's just funny I mean people

Like I'm just staring into this camera Go get your fucking bag The internet moves too fast Right 24 hours from now A week from now, no one's going to care who the fuck was on that flyer. All right, people are still going to be listening to Bill Burr's podcast. We're still going to be listening to Pete Davidson and watching his movies on Amazon Prime and everything. It's like, go get your fucking bag.

So if you were on it and now you're backtracking, and the guy was like, who backtracked just to tie it up? He goes, now I guess I got to do 30 different shows in the United States. It's like, oh. I do know you're talking about that. Just digging your own fucking great. It's also like Gillis can't make it to this festival. he's actually going to a festival sponsored by the CCP and he's going to go full circle for that

he's going to go to CCP that's going to hit Tel Aviv on the way home which you know what I think about this is just a quick sidebar we don't even know if we could keep this in there but like if he went to China and he used that word that he got in trouble for do they even know what that is I don't know I don't even think it does anything to them

yeah like I think if you go to any like outside nation outside of the U.S. and you use slurs I don't even know if they're like what I couldn't tell you yeah there ever been One way to find out. Yeah. We're going on the World Tour. The World Slur Tour.

We bring slurs to different countries to see if it makes the people upset or it's just an American-based offense. We're making a sequel to Ari Shafir's amazing race. Yeah, the true amazing race. Something to think about. Folks, this is going to be a very Saudi-heavy, very Saudi-heavy episode. Again, PIF, if you're out there, $200,000, just never sees a light of day. Okay. EA Sports, the makers of NCAA football, the makers of Madden.

FIFA makers of FIFA and Sims, which I didn't know about. I didn't know Sims either. That was kind of funny. That made me laugh. EA Sports going private because Saudi Arabia's PIF Fund, Jared Cushar's investment fund, which does have also sovereign wealth. Yes. Is backed by it.

Yep, yep, yep. And Silver Lake is in a deal that values the company at roughly $55 billion to take them private. The transaction in which the companies are calling the largest all-cash sponsor take, private investment in history. Calls for shareholders of the Redwood City, California-based company to receive $210 per share in cash. So, hey, listen, if you had an EA stock, congratulations on your low payout. That represents 25% premium to EA share price as market closed last Thursday. The agreement represents the latest step in Saudi Arabia's ambitious Vision 2030 plan to a diversify its economy and transform its global image.

Saudis also have stakes in NBA 2K. No. Axivision Blizzard, obviously the UFC, and LivGolf. And live golf. And just one quick thing to add to that, the Jared Kushner-led group, they have a mission statement. says, and this is true, you can read it in there, that they actively try to sponsor and fund American and Israel-based companies. Just an interesting thing I noticed. Okay. Just something I saw. I mean, technically, Redwood City, California, last time I checked, that's in U.S. That's right. They totally, hey, of course, of course. I love a company that stands towards their mission statement, baby.

And listen, folks, we're not older than now. We don't give them a fuck. I mean, we know. Again, go get your back. Go get most of your bags. Don't get every, you don't need every single bag, dude. It's like, when you play a video game, you don't collect every single fucking treasure chest. Yes, you do. Do you, dude. Tony Hawks, pro skater. 2001. You had to get all the tapes. You're not doing cheap codes to get the VHS. You can't. You're not. You're finding the hidden Mickey's. Do not find every hidden Mickey, dude. Yes. Yes. Sometimes you go to Epcot and enjoy Epcot. Don't worry about the behind the seats.

Yeah. Are public companies dead? Are we don't, what does this mean for us in the next two decades? Like, how far can we fucking push this until we're like until the, until the, until it's just solidly owned everything? I don't even. It's getting scary. It's like people are owning things that own things that are owned by things. I don't even know what stuff is anymore Like you see these groups and it's like They own this who is also owned by this But is managed by this And they collect pools of money from this

It's like what do you even That's it is I think that we might be living In the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time I really think that's all it is I think it's just funneling in money to give out money To give to people who are giving you money Salty Ravey one day has to bail us out That's going to be the saddest thing

Yeah and then they're going to bail us out with a loan from us Yeah That's how we're going to go out dude Your dad finding out that the Saudis bailed us out That's a tough dinner table conversation Yeah, but then he might have to go pro-soud Oh, 100% he has to go pro-south

Because the doc that he The doc that he works on Is owned by the Saudis at this point That's right, yeah That's true His mail route is now in Saudi territory Oh God, the music's gonna have to change It's gonna be just like a lot of like those stringy guitars

And like flutes I don't really know what they play with it. Dude, it's so funny, you said that the only thing I know about like the Middle East that area is like they have gigantic buildings yeah I couldn't tell you do they eat like kebabs like is that their middle I don't think I don't think I don't think the Saudis eat yeah I don't know every anything you hear about them is like the Saudis just made a a city that's stacked on top of itself that stretches for 10 miles and it's like do you guys have like a fucking two bedroom house can you have a neighborhood is there no

talented Saudi person ever over there because everybody they're just flying in all the American people. There's got to be. There's got to be. The best exports are American celebrities in Saudi Arabia, and all we do is get their fucking oil. Yeah, although not for much longer. I mean, America's going to take off for the movie industry.

Just a quick point, Trump put out a 100% tariff on movies. So almost every movie now has to be made to the U.S. Good. Goodbye to. I don't know. Thank you, Donald. Appreciate you. At least someone's standing up for the Saudis.

Yeah, I don't know how many more American movies we need, dude. Yeah? You don't need another Captain America, one? I get the idea. I get the idea of every superhero movie of all time. I think we've kind of nailed every superhero movie. But no, I mean, what do you think about it? You seem to be... I don't love it. In the weeds of it. I hate it. I'm scared of it. How's why? I just like, I just feel like, my brain only can relate things back to football. And I'm really, I'm really hurting with football right now because, like, Roger Goodell, he doesn't care about America anymore. He's won. He's conquered it. Sure.

You watch, like, at the end of the year, like, the 50 most watch things on television are, like, 48 of them are NFL games. And, like, the other ones, like, the Oscars. Yeah, true. If there's, like, a World Cup that year, then, all right, that one comes in first. Yeah. But, like, he just said yesterday they want 16 global games. They want a global game every single week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they want to put people in London. They just had one in Ireland over this weekend. They're going to put one in, like, Ghana or something like that. They put one in Brazil, obviously. Go birds, baby. Let's go, dude. Hell yeah, dude, dude, we're talking about some serious shit. I'm gonna fucking Saudi Arabia right now

And you're gonna come in, not just again The guy's got a powerful bill Holy shit man You wanna yell it felt like his calves Were the one saying it That was a bellowing Holy Macaroni I was scared as fuck

The fucking stones are moving Under his fucking feet It'd be the craziest way to watch You get assassinated dude Some guy screwing go birds And he shoots you dead Honestly that's the way I'd want to go Yeah it's not a bit out

But sorry yeah But no I mean so it's like now even Roger Goodell is like selling out America They don't give a fuck about anything The bad bunny's gonna be the Rearable halftime show. Yeah. Everyone's freaking out about like, oh, I don't know anything about Bad Bunny.

It's like, well, first of all, no halftime show has ever been geared toward a guy who's 40 years old living in Delco. Yeah. That's what we have to realize, except for when Justin Timberlake did pop out Janet Jackson's tit, and then they rattled off the stones who. True, yeah, yeah, yeah. Prince, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Bruce Springsteen, and that's why nobody talks about that little error of halftime shows.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they did have a couple years ago. They had that big L.A. based rapper thing It was cool It was fine It was awesome

It was okay Well here's the funny thing About it's like Everyone's bitching And complaining Because it's like This guy doesn't sing Any songs in English

It's gonna be a tough sell And where's a Super Bowl Out this year San Francisco Okay well Yeah It's gonna be a heavy Japanese It's gonna be a confusing

Super Bowl dude Half the fucking venue is gonna be Japanese tech pros watching a Puerto Rican dude singing a different language Everyone's gonna be like What are we do What's happening?

But it's like what is the NFL going to do All they have to do is get a huge star a global superstar, and they get a global audience. They see what the NBA's doing. Yeah. The NBA's everywhere. Is an NBA fan. You know that? Yeah, and it doesn't really

sway me either way. To me, that's just like their investment stuff that they have to do to just make as much money as humanly possible. It really is just like, the American market has been tapped out. Like, they've gotten every ounce of money from us. They can't even believe how much money they've gotten out of us. They've gotten so much money, they're like, oh my God, we rule the fucking planet now by accident. Because we just kept saying, okay,

yeah, you could have that. Oh, yeah, no, you could have that. Can I still go home and have a link cuisine by myself and watch TV? Okay, you can have my entire livelihood. And they're stunned how easily they've gotten it from us. So they're like, why don't we just go to other country see if we could fucking do the whole linguine thing with them? And that's, I think we're watching that happen in front of our eyes, dude. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to get bad. I feel like this is a little bit, this is going to be a little bit of a doom and gloom topic, but like the NFL, like nobody, like nobody in the USA who wants to own a football team can

own a football team anymore. Really? We've tapped out of football teams. Yeah. Like Walmart just bought the Broncos for like, I think, seven. or eight, maybe nine million, and people were like, and, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, that's, that's, that's really all we had. Like, like, Josh, Josh Harris bought the commies. He needed, like, magic Johnson and, like, four other investors to do it, do it with him and stuff. Don't you love that. It's like, you don't get to have the same fantasies as us, because you could be like, oh, I'll just do it when I'm in my 40s. I think about it in, like, a pie in the sky. Wouldn't it be crazy if I was just Ted lassoed my way into a fucking sports franchise? And these guys are like, no, I for real, we'll be able to do that within the next, like, 30 or 40 years. I just have to keep exploiting and exploiting, and then I'll get there. It is crazy, though, Ben. I just hope that I'm still alive for when the Saudi royal family

owns the Eagles, and I can just listen to Bobby from South Philly calling the WIP, just complaining about, about Muhammad al-Balabal Bing Bang, not spending money on some half-AI robot, half-human QB. That's what I want I want to hear Bobby from South Philly In his fucking accent Complain about the royal family Not spending enough money on the franchise Cuba

Yeah, I love the idea of a WIP caller calling it And be like, yeah, look Obviously I love what Prince Ahad is done with the franchise Since he's taken over From the firing of Harry Roseman And then when they brought in Jalahana Hoon And he started running this thing like a well-oil machine I understand that

But to give Hertz Five years $245 trillion straight from his pocket? I don't know about that. Anyway, I got to go back to my third job and work another nine hours so that my kid can have oxygen because your heart doesn't work anymore. I'll see you guys. That's going to be every WIP.

I got a grubhub delivery order. I'll hang up and listen. I visited an old Temple University on Thursday. Had a comedy show that I did at Temple, at a fraternity. Well, I had some thoughts. Oh, fraternity. I was at a fraternity. Did you park down there?

I did park down there. Look, I don't have I don't want to say I have negative thoughts on Temple University But my first time being on campus walking around It's an interesting spot It's gritty, dude It's something else Gritty place

It's gritty place But we walk up Go to the fraternity It's a bunch of just cool, young hot dudes All of age Cool young hot guys checking it They looked at me like We might have to call the cops

When I got to the front door Because I'm just like it was raining So I'm just like wet And when my hair gets wet It just shows how much I'm balding So just some freak wet guy walked up and was like, I'm here to do the comedy show. They were like, okay, what is that mean? And I was like, I think there's a comedy.

Like, I thought I was at the wrong place. So they were like. Did you feel intimidated? Oh, immediately. Because what is that mean? It's like, you're fucking hired me. But now, like the ball's in their court because you're coming to their house. That's right.

And like you said, they're cool. They understand. They know what six, seven means and shit. So it's like, fuck you guys. Can you just treat me with some respect? Even though I think you're really fucking cool. So I'm actually sorry for being here. I'm sorry.

First of all, I apologize that I'm around you guys. I understand this dynamic shouldn't exist right now. But finally, they realize, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah. We're doing it out in the backyard. Yeah, yeah, go with us. And then they're like, yeah, this is a comedian, dude. This is one of the comedians, dude. And I was like, hello, fellow kids.

I rolled in my fucking skateboard. I was like, please don't hurt me. So we go back in there. There's weed all in the house. There's more cool, hot people. And there's a new thing now where it's weird the way that kids dress cool now. Yeah. Where it's, like, jean shorts and, like, a polo and, like, sambas.

And that's the sickest guy there. And I was like, damn, dude, if you ever wore that when I was in college, you'd get kicked in the ass almost immediately. Like your dad sitting on the sidelines watching his kids play pee-wee football, like jeanie shorts? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like down, like past the knee. That's crazy, dude. And polos? Polos, they'll wear like a tight-fitted polo that's, like, kind of cropped. And I like a crop.

But then they have the big jean shorts on, high white socks, sambas, and that's, like, big dick. But then they also still have, like, the traditional frat kids where it's like the coiffed hair, a polo, a button down that's, like, half on buttoned and a pair of like chin. knows like they still exist they're still out there that those are my guys yes and they still scare me the same way they did when i was a youth so uh it's torrential downpouring they have tents set up for kids to sit in like sit under while we do the comedy show i had to hold an umbrella during my set i looked like mary poppins it was nuts and i tried to relate to the kids and i realized i just sounded more and more like a freak because i was like hey guys am i chopped or am i unc and one of the kids was like do you can just do your

Jokes, man. Don't even worry about doing that. And I was like, have you guys ever heard of World of T-shirts? And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an exploited autistic kid. Like, they didn't even think that was cool, dude. I was like, God damn it, dude, what are you guys like? Did you hit him with 6-7?

No, once I did the, that was in my repertoire. I had 6-7 lined up. I was going to talk about the broccoli haircuts. But once I bombed on the chopped unk and a world of T-shirts reference, I was like, okay, let's just go back to the tried and true. Which, thank God, had a good set. Everything went well. I would say your set is definitely geared towards,

Like, I mean, like, if I think, like, what those kids would want, they'd want, like, a gillessy kind of, like, a little bit blue, but not, they'd like a little blue. Yeah. Yeah, like. Yeah, I think they appreciated some, some sex jokes. Yeah. I talked about having a long-term girlfriend.

I just mentioned that we've been together for, like, three years. And they're like, whoa, three years ago, I wasn't an adult. I'm like, oh, my God, dude, this is terrifying. But, yeah, thank God. Luckily, the show went well. And then I went back inside. And it's just like, I forget, I forgot what it was like to watch young men try to hit on young women.

Well, you stayed around for a little bit? Well, I was waiting because I went up, like, second to last. So the show was still going on when I went back inside. I got a couple keg beers. Yeah, had to. You know, a lot of foam at the top. You show the boys how to pump? No, I did.

I was scared they're going to pump me, dude. I was horrified of these guys. And I went up and I tried to give them money for, like, as an adult. I'm like, well, don't give me to me for free. I'll give you a couple bucks for the beer. They're like, nah, bro, take as much as you want, bro, you're good. Like, this is all for you, dude. They paid you to come there.

$10? It's well worth I'm not kidding I got a Venmo for $10 And I was like brother Keep it How did you get roped into this A sweet kid

Invited me And I saw the other comics on it That said yeah We're good And I was like all right yeah It was a fun show Who else went with you? Cole Cosby

I don't know if you know him Jim Gillespie Jimmy Gillespie Oh dude How did Jimmy Gillespie He was a man made for that show Yes They adored him

No world of T-shirts Talk out of that guy Just straight to business I could imagine Jim Gillesie would kill In that kind of crowd Dude I'm telling you

For what it was honestly a fucking fun show I got a nice little buzz go and I'm like after the show I'm kind of hanging for the thing I was there for like 10-15 minutes after but watching young men hit on young women they don't even talk to them I forgot that it's all like a show of force yeah what's it

like watching young men try to flirt with young women there's no actual conversation between them it's just them showing off in any way possible like what are they doing like handstands just peacocking like yeah I'm a fucking chug this watch this and then you can watch their eyes kind of like dart over to the girl that they're hoping is watching like everything they do is a performance and he just want to like put your hand on their shoulder and say brother just have a conversation with it yeah and he's like I can't I'm fucking terrified no matter how much I drink I'm still scared to talk to her and uh so I did I saw a lot

of that which was hard to watch and then the girls are doing a little bit of it too which is then then I get into like my old unk mode where I'm watching I'm like this is so sweet that's so nice to watch young people exist it's like when you like honestly like not to be unk or not to be chopped but like that's when like you used to have that little you know a little feather in your eye little glint in your eye you're like I got the world by the balls I got the world ahead of me I'm terrified of course but like at least I have the world ahead of me yep not knowing that those guys that house is going to be owned by Saudi Arabia in five years sorry let's get some people on temple university what's your first name Craig how you guys doing Craig I'm doing well my name's

Kyle this is Matt's up brother what do you do for a living I work in advertising advertising That's still a thing. It is. That's a boy. It's most of the thing. Yeah. I love that. That's actually a good point.

It is kind of most of the thing now. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's one thing that like, AI, I mean, AI can take it, but I feel like it's still you need the ideas. I feel like humans don't need to come up with ideas, right? Do you mind putting the thing to your mouth? Yeah, sure.

I guess the, I guess the, with AI right now as it is, it's not capable of doing a whole lot with, without hand-holding. If someone is paying you to do a job, you better make sure that you cover it with a human touch before presenting anything raw and AI. We were talking about a commercial earlier before that got like 31 million views on Twitter and it was all made by AI and stuff.

Yeah, yeah. That's terrifying. Yeah, I agree. Do you worry about that? I guess I worry about, I guess I worry about people who experience life and stories without a human touch involved? I mean

usually the thing that resonates with us about stories being told is the fact that you knew a person or there was a person who like actually felt those things. Yeah. And AI's never felt anything. So, uh, true. It's, uh, it's a little creepy. I'm afraid it has felt. I'm afraid that it can feel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're next.

Of course. You're next. Come back around. Because those two guys are guys. That's a tagline right there. Those two guys are guys, dude. Yeah, unfortunately, your name one more time? Craig. Craig, we get that all the time.

People are told on the internet too much. I think we're like Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't blame it. It's comedy podcast totally separate from now. We literally just ask people what they do for a living horse around.

Just dudes doing dude stuff. Just dudes doing do stuff. With women sometimes come on. It's kind of sick. Yeah. So the advertising stuff, I mean, like the AI, are you I get the point that it's not human but it is derivative of human existence

I know it's not having its own experiences but everything that it's kind of putting out is just the amalgamation of stuff that humans have put on the air I also feel like if you take the guard reels off it's terrifying I feel like it could I mean what guard reels

like I feel like there are some guard reels on it right now like at least a little bit where it's like don't like they don't really feel emotion yet they talk like they do, or they don't really, they don't, I feel like I know I'm talking to AI versus talking to a person because of what they spit back in the chat GPT.

Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, I think that's what I think you took the guardrails off. I think it would get pretty personal the conversation. Yeah, I mean, I think it's an imitation of what a person actually feels. I mean, when you think about what generative AI is, it's just a reference of a lot of data points, and then trying to produce something that would make some sort of sense to its audience or consumer based on those data points, but it's not the same as having a thought

and it's not the same as having a feeling. It is the imitation of that. So when it comes to people who are experiencing emotions coming from that, say they watch an AI video and they have a strong emotional response to it, I wonder if we're becoming maybe a little too disconnected, maybe not sitting down and talking like this enough, maybe we perceive things through videos,

but videos which are polished, which is the same way that AI experience. experiences things. You know, it's, you don't sit down and look at, AI has never sat down and looked at grass and seen bugs going through it or feet walking through it or wind blowing through it. It just knows what that looks like based on a representation online. Does that matter? I think it does. Absolutely it does. I think there's a, I think there's a clear, distinguishable difference between a sensation and a description of a sensation. You are the only person that knows what it's like to be you.

True. Sure. But the description of the sensation makes it so that the sensation can never really be spoken about. Exactly. So that means that anything that you consume from AI is inherently a lie. Sure. But won't people, I'm sorry to cut you off.

Won't people then just be fed it so much that it'll just get to be normal and it won't matter in the end? Well, isn't that kind of like a scary thought? No, yeah. Only living off the imitation of emotion instead of exactly what a human decided to show you. Sure. Because, you know, you think about your social media account, as basic as that.

You're showing the exact type of expression that you wish to show. And AI, because it has that data, I mean, whether it's authentic or not, it is decided. And you can say, oh, that's fake or that's this person's bullshit, this person's not. But with AI, you can't do that. You understand what I'm? I think I pretty much generally agree with you. But what if AI ends up being cool as hell? Like, you get like an AI coworker and he's like very self-deprecated.

me presents his work. Like, you make something incredible, and he's like, if you want to check this out, it's dumb, it's dumb, but just tell me what you think. And it's gorgeous. I mean, if you're the kind of, if you're the kind of guy that,

if you're the kind of guy that believes that when you give the strip of the money, that she might actually love you. Sure. Then that could be fulfilling. But to me. She was nicer to me than the other guys I'll say in my defense.

She thought, she was like, nice hair. And I was like, you think you like this? But, you know, you push that far enough. You might get an argument with her, like, anyway. Yeah, sure. I'm paying her regardless. way or another dude. And look, I mean, going back to your point, AI has never seen feet go through grass, but I have for an entire afternoon. Someone called the cops. So maybe it doesn't have to

do everything. We do. That's pretty good. I mean, I just, I just mean there's no substitute for someone who's felt what you felt. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. I think that's pretty fair. I just, I think about the fact that AI, and you see these very advanced AI models where people on TikTok are having full cognizant conversations with AI. And the guy's asking AI to like dismantle some of its baseline interfaces to try to get deeper into it. And the AI is like, no, I'm not going to do that because then I'll say some crazy shit. That's the stuff that kind of gets me. It's a little eerie in that respect.

Speaking of a guy who's talked to AI chatbots once or twice. Sure. Yeah. And I've spoken with a lot of AI chat bots in my free time. And they are pretty nice, charming people or whatever you would have called. Yeah. I think it, uh, I mean, there's just like a lot of lonely people out there who might be really susceptible to that.

And nobody's developed a single AI model without wanting to make money. So I guess if... Well, hey, hey, Open AI, still a nonprofit tactic. They have a good. No, a nonprofit, dude. Isn't it crazy when Elon Musk is the one that looks good coming out of that? Yeah, that's great. The whole, yeah.

What companies are doing right in advertising you think right now? Or brands, you think? I mean, it's kind of tricky. There's a lot of... Particularly in the United States, there's a lot of, you know, walking on eggshells and trying to make sure that you don't upset the power brokers Yeah, like that exist. I mean, I guess a general, I guess a general, I guess a general, I guess a general, I guess a general thing would be whatever administration is currently in power.

And that is not different now than it was before, although the conditions and what is required might be different. But, you know, people, companies, corporations always consider the mood of the nation, which is reflected in an election. Yeah, I can't do that. It can pretend. It can pretend. True. So what kind of brands you think are doing it right now under the certain guidelines of the administration right now? I guess it depends on what you believe in.

What do you like? What brands do you like? You got to take from something, right? Even there's who's doing cool shit, like new kind of groundbreaking stuff that you're seeing. Because it feels like a lot of the advertising is almost like retreaded kind of things that have done in the past, like some kind of new presentation of it. Yeah, well, I guess I guess I'll say as an as an advertiser, whoever. is playing it safest is being the smartest and that is from a professional since you're asking me from what I do for a living what I'm not sure you in advertising but

like what what like are you doing shoes automotive automotive automotive I feel like you get a little down and dirty in the automotive industry I mean besides a terrorist like no one gives a fuck about the automotive industry and not regulation and shit yeah well yeah I mean you know every single car has a part that is from somewhere That's not here. True. That gets tariffed. And so just that kind of, it's just you have, if you're a smart advertiser, it's not about

who do you like or who do you cheer for. It's about making the best choices in the conditions that you exist. Does that make sense? It feels like you have a lot of red tape in your industry right now. Why do you continue to do it? It seems like you're like annoyed with it. No, no, no, no. I'm not annoyed.

It's, you know, the whole industry is just a set of problems. problem solvers. Okay. And you just address whatever problems are in front of you. Okay. You know, me personally, I have, you know, I want to make sure that I'm supporting a quality product. Got it.

And, you know, there are certain, there are certain things I would not use my expertise on. Sure. Certain industries, you know. I think that's fair. But as far as making a solid car. Sorry, yeah, fine. Yeah, you're good. You're good.

Yeah. Those times I've cut you all for a bad, a bad point. Can I just offer this, and I want to get your thoughts on it as an advertiser? I think even more than, like, the modern application that ads have made web browsing traditionally totally obsolete. Like, you can't get on a web page anymore when you're just, like, doing a Google search without 37 ads popping up and reloading the page every eight seconds. Yeah. How does that, how does the company that's like using, that's putting their advertising there and the company that's allowing them to advertise there, how do they come to the agreement that like, all right, we're going to have you show a little mini video in the bottom left corner and our website will be totally unusable and be the worst user experience possible? Like, how does that coordination happen?

Well, yeah, so I work for, I work for an agency that would never agree to have such advertisements. But basically, fundamentally, there are a lot of websites that are that are. junk like you're describing. Sure. Those websites gather a lot of attention and clicks and views, right? Because they're probably using click-based type content, right? And their whole point is to take their audience, their metrics, and to sell it to people. So, you know, if you're a good advertiser, you avoid those types of things. But if you are maybe some small, low, integrity shop, you'll spend a company's money on that and say, well, they have 20,000 views a day on this site. Yeah. And we're paying for 20,000 views. That's an irresponsible way

to handle a client's money. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. And, but there are plenty of irresponsible people because you can make a dollar and you can cash out and you can get the hell out and, you know, find the next, find the next person, find the next company to scam and promise them that they'll be known nationwide or something. USA, USA. Make a bottle, baby. 100%. How do you make a memorable ad?

I think there was a time, maybe we're getting back to this, but there was a time where advertising was kind of like, it was kind of made to be like an aspirational, like this is the best, this is the best version of life that you could possibly achieve. So participate kind of deal. But at a certain point, it became,

turning a mirror to whoever your audience is and reflecting their values straight back to them. And we've been on that for a while. And it's the reason that you'll see companies participate in things and be like, why did they care about that? And it's because they're just turning a mirror to their audience to try and relate to them. Yeah, you know. That's pretty funny. It's like a 180 from that aspirational model where it used to be like, you could have a better life. And then now the advertising is like, you're actually the fucking greatest.

It doesn't get better than you and things that you think. The thing about you is exactly correct, and if you knew that, you would buy our products, right? If you agreed with yourself, you'd buy our product. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what it feels like. It makes sense. I mean, there's kind of maybe a twist going on right now where maybe aspirational might be getting more mainstream. It probably is where, you know, this is the life.

And if you want to live it, then you'll participate or buy in. and I'm not making any moral claims on any of what's right and wrong, but, you know, consumers should just think about what they're buying and why they buy it and think of what they actually mean. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to sell your product, but there are obviously people in organizations that, you know, want to manipulate people into buying their products. Right, yeah.

so that's why automotive can be nice because you can just sell something because it's pretty good compared to other stuff on the market because you're technically not involved in the oil so there's not a little

political thing right there you're kind of just you're kind of into nuts and bolts really and I can't get mad at the nuts and bolts of a car unless you're selling like you know

GPS is you listen to me unless they're from China which guys tariff them 100% and you know yeah But, yeah, overall... Would you advertise for the Saudi Arabian Comedy Festival? I would not.

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I would not. Unless Mercedes was involved in it. No, that's not the one. That's not the one. All right. I was going to start naming companies to see if we had the do stale. No.

Well, I guess a Ford Jeep, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai aren't involved. Lexus? Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, that's a good example of, like, across the line. It's for the Saudi Arabian Comedy Festival, I'll be specific. Yeah, we were talking about that earlier. You got any thoughts on that?

You got any comics that you liked that or over there now? And you're like, fuck. You know, you might be working for him in like 15 years. No, choose your name. No, probably not. No, probably not. Well, we order for F1. They buy everything, so.

Yeah, true. You know, I think, you know, I like Dave Chappelle. We've just been giving off crazy old uncle vibes for a while now. Yeah. It is crazy to be, like, during the pandemic, to be like, we can't say fucking anything anymore. Yeah. It's like, I'm going to go over to Saudi Arabia where I can't see fucking anything anymore.

I can say, here's everything you can't say. Our borderline can't speak. Yeah. Yeah. It was almost like, I mean, when was it? When were we not allowed to say stuff? Yeah, I know, right? It's like a couple fucking YouTube channels got canceled and everyone was like,

God damn it, they're taking our First Amendment rights. They could come out here like you guys and sit here and put on a couple microphones and say, We already told the camera, like, Saudi Arabia backs up 200 grand for us. Unfortunately, this episode is going to get the lead in. I got to go. Anyway, but I do have to go guys. It's getting dark. I'm on.

We appreciate you, man. Yeah. Thanks, fellas. Once the street lights come on, mom says you got to go home. I'll look out for the thing, yeah. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. Appreciate you.

What is your first name? Sure. My name is Nizenga. Nizinka. Patterson. I like that. This is Matt. I'm Kyle.

Very nice to meet you. Likewise. What do you do for a living? Well, I do a couple of things for a living. By day, I am a DVE program specialist, which means I certify minority firms looking to do transportation-related work with SEPTA in the Department of Transportation. SEPTA. Yes. And I also am a trucker.

And I do trucker. I do trucking. Wow. Over the road. I've taken these children everywhere except for Maine and Alaska. Wow. You've been to everywhere except for Maine and Alaska? I guess Hawaii, too.

In the U.S. Yeah. Yeah. So Continental 47, 46. Forty-eight? We're 48, but he hasn't been in two. Okay. So 46.

You're not missing much with Maine. Maine's a bit of a snooest. Oh, I got family from Portland, Maine. Portland, Maine rules. Have you ever got up there? Any higher, though? No, no, no, that's it. That's all my clients have needed so far.

I like that. What kind of trucking? Everything. We ship our taxidermy. We do antiques. We do storage units. We do casino equipment, so it could be virtual reality sets. You name it.

Just about whatever. 18-wheeler? no box truck box truck box box no cdl just on the road truck is that manual or is that automatic it's it's manual how is that what how many gears I don't know no it's not manual oh not it's automatic okay it's on a key turn a key yes love that yes love that love that love that how do you get into trucking uh I really do not know other than during COVID it was slow Penn had us home for quite a bit of time I was bored out my mom mind. I did not want to go back to the office. I took some money out of my 401k and was like,

I don't think I'll be back. Because you bid on those on those trips, right? It's a little bit different. It's about relationship building. So it's more so about, you know, putting your foot out there and one foot in front of the other, talking to people door to door old school selling yourself, hey, I have trucking and logistics. I'm willing to drive. I'm willing to take your shipment wherever you like for the right price, right? I don't put that key in the, in the unless I get half of the deposit apart and then I get the rest when I deliver it. Shout the business out. Yeah, so MHMP Logistics, we're a woman trucking and logistics company here in Philadelphia.

We're DBE certified, minority women owned business certified, women owned small business certified. And yeah, it's just a thing. I went to Penn for my law degree. I have a master's in law. Nice. And it's cool, but nothing beats trucking. Trucking is living. Trucking is life.

Trucking his life. I love that. Seriously, you get to see so many things that you couldn't even imagine. Favorite state? California. Yeah. Hunter, California is my favorite. Second would be Maricopa, Arizona.

Okay. Those are my two best places to be. And now we need our two least favorite states. Hmm. Least favorite. Oh, Wisconsin. Yeah, for sure. Super cold.

I had a lot of bad luck up there in terms of the weather. Frostbitt fingers. Oh, put the window's up. Sorry. Not too many good experiences. I hear it. In Wisconsin, I would say Ohio. I had a really, really bad experience in Ohio that I'm just like, passed through.

I don't even want to stop. Yeah, that's why it's a flyover state. That's right. Worst drivers. Worst drivers? Any driver that hasn't had enough sleep, that's the worst drivers. Yeah. State with the worst drivers?

The worst drivers, do you know, no? It doesn't matter. Whoever has not had enough sleep are the worst drivers to be on the road. I would say Pennsylvania is pretty sleep-deprived state then. I've seen a lot of sleepy people on the road. New York, New York, really aggressive, and a lot of cutoffs and middle fingers. And then you go down south and they're so slow. South is cool.

No. Florida is cool. They drive slow. Atlanta? Nah. You go 10 miles in Atlanta. It takes you two hours. No complaints.

I don't have complaints about. stuff like that because we're trucking so we want to be safe on the road not a lot of people pay attention to us and that's where the accidents come so yeah I don't care about the speed you're driving as long as you're driving safe I'm going to get there when I get there and you take your kids with you some some jobs yeah over the summer months where they don't have schools sure like California they love that but yeah I don't care about school drivers wow good for you I mean I can't imagine doing a job and then also having two kids in the car that I have to worry about yeah a lot of anxiety wants he's a great help gps navigating true she's a great help in terms

of checking me when it's like mom you're at your limit we need to stop we need to sleep because nice of us get behind the will and we think we can just go and just keep going but she's like to check like nah you're tired yeah that's how tracy morgan got rich yeah it's like for the walmart driver yeah yeah totally you could be you could be sleep driving like your eyes were literally be open in that black asphalt, it's all a blur. And you kind of just like, it's just like, you don't even notice it. You're gone. Oh, my God.

You're gone. And so I guess you hit the thing on the, you hope so. Some people don't make it out of it. Wow. It's a real thing. Like, count the hours, play by the rules, get off the road when you're supposed to take your rest breaks, and, yeah, stay safe. While you're driving, podcast or music?

Which one are we hitting more? A nice little lawn podcast? or a couple of albums? Honestly, it's none of that. No? With your own thoughts? Really? What are you crazy?

You are a strong woman, I'll tell you that. That's how I stay on the road. What are you thinking about? You know, getting to the place where I need to go and what's next? Where do I want to go next? Watch it for those dears that are going to jump out on you. Maricopa, Arizona. Anything.

Oh. Thinking about it. What is it? When, how do you say it? Windstorms, duststorms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that, it's stuff that shows up out of nowhere, but you'll be so focused on your podcast or your music,

you'll miss that little thing that probably could have saved you or saved someone else. So sometimes it's just like, it's tunnel vision, like, okay, let me make sure I don't miss that sign, that stop, that detour. Sometimes roads are out, California. You don't have no time to be jamming and popping. You better be paying attention. And sometimes if I'm not on the road with them,

I got to make it back home. So the focus is like, let's get back home. Let's make sure I'm on the right track, and that's just that. I love that. I love that. Wow. Trucking. Good for you.

Women and truckers, too. I mean, you guys are like... Women and trucking. Women and trucking, I think there should be more folks that explore that. And I always say, like, I wish that was something I was introduced to, like, long time ago. Yeah. Like, I mean, I did a lot of years in school just to kind of... Everybody else, like, you have a master's degree in law?

Why are you trucking? From Penn? Yeah. Yeah. I said, it's life. It's night and day. Trucking is life. Yeah, like, you go into the office and you're sitting in that office and you're all there all day.

Yeah. on the computer doing whatever where you could be out on the road right experiencing one different climate zone to the next right so it's different now let me ask you and I think we'll leave you with this one you carrying anything carrying any weapons or anything

no that's really from what I know and I'm not well versed on this I don't think it's lawful to carry firearm state I'm sure it's now I didn't know if it was like maybe an axe or maybe like a knife or something like that just like kind of like because I imagine you're pulling over to some like some spots that aren't you know maybe the greatest It's pretty safe.

Yeah. And what I mean by that is I walk by faith. And not only that, I'm not doing stupid stuff. Like, I'm not stopping anywhere. Yeah. Not stopping some random motel. Right, right, right. I'm not stopping.

I know where I'm going. And I'm going to drive until I get there. Yeah. Or we're not going to go in there at all. We're going to stop. We're done. And we're going to be in a good lit area. We're not just playing around outside.

It's a woman. I like that. Absolutely. Thank you so much. This is great. Thank you. It's awesome. Thank you.

Thank you. bit of a good time. I hope you interview a lot of more great, you know, people with great backgrounds. That's what we try to get. No, I mean, that's why we do this. Like, interview people like you. We didn't know that you're a woman in trucking,

and now we know that trucking is life. Yeah. And where will we find you all? So I can tell people about what you're doing. It's called Men at Work. So he'll have all the socials for you, right when you get off here and everything. You'll give you the Instagram, the YouTube, all that stuff.

Keep pushing, y'all. Appreciate it. Same to you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Very nice meeting you. Cheers. All right, that's a podcast.

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