Men At Work Podcast - Jimmy Kimmel Reaction, We Debate a Conservative, & Alpha Male Influencers

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Matt and Kyle talk about Jimmy Kimmel being pulled off the air for a joke, we meet an old school conservative who talks to us about growing up during the Vietnam War and have a good debate about our thoughts on the country today, a new alpha male influencer is terrorizing his employees fashion choices, and we train the future of Talent Acquisition how to fire people. 0:00 - Jimmy Kimmel Kicked Off ABC 19:40 - New Alpha Male Influencer is Terrorizing Employees25:41 - The Head of Talent Acquisition Fires Us40:42 - Countries Losing Nukes44:10 - We Debate an Old Conservative About Life TodayAbout Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for a living? After that the conversation flows from there. We've talked to substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and the Governor of Literal Pennsylvania. And we'll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a furry convention, and more! Whether we like it or not, our jobs are most of our lives - might as well yap about it. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/men-at-work-podcast/id1373108039SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4XcFWt0I6gFvMotqDp5bsZ?si=2273debc08e5485dIf you want more bonus content check out Office Hours a weekly workplace advice show on Patreon that subscribers submit their questions to and we answer them: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod*If you subscribe to the Patreon consider subscribing on a desktop or website or an android device, NOT THROUGH iOS (Apple) APP. Apple takes 30% of every month you're subscribed (yea they suck). Follow Us:The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/menatpod/Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedyhttps://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/Follow Kyle:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancbFollow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

I've always kind of have, like, an optimistic feeling about, like, just life in the world, or at least I try to right now. You've lived through so many administrations and stuff that we are as divided as we've ever been, or do you remember, like, the 70s and 80s and 60s and stuff? Oh, no, no, no, this is the worst I've ever seen. Oh, okay, great. Yeah, it seems, it seems, all right. We were kind of looking for you to make us feel better. We were trying to draw from you to be like, gosh, in the good old days. The good old days of the Vietnam War, that's how you know it's been.

Called that the good old days. Welcome back to another episode of Men at Work. I'm Kyle Pagan, as always, joined by Matt Peoples. We are back in Wittenhouse, finding out what people are doing for a living. And before we get into the episode, can you please subscribe, maybe review? Leave a comment down below. Do one of those things. Please.

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So please, for the love of God help. All right, we had a busy week this week. Tell me. A lot went on. A lot. Too much. I've had it off. Do you think there will be Wi-Fi in the camps?

As long as there's Wi-Fi in the camps, I think I'm totally fine. If I can get on there and watch TikTok and YouTube, even if it's state-sponsored TikTok and YouTube, as long as it's just like somebody being like... Well, it is going to be state-sponsored TikTok and TikTok. True. I mean, yeah, I guess so. We're getting the algorithm, but I think we're selling off the parts. Yeah, that's kind of what it seems like. I think we're getting rid of the only enjoyable parts of TikTok. It's just going to be ads on TikTok of some guy being like, somewhat at someone at the shit and piss factory is getting fired.

They just put shit and piss on half off. What happened? Well, grab them while they're still around. I get ads like that all the time, and it makes me want to eat my phone. Yeah, it's crazy. Obviously, we're talking about the Jimmy Kimmel stuff. Crazy? Is crazy the right word? Yeah, see, that's what's tough about being who we are, is that, like, God-fearing questions.

Now, now as are, dude, I promise, please. Listen, dude, we, 12 years of Catholic school, we are sitting pretty. Sitting A, okay. We'll hit a Hail Mary to start the podcast off every time now. Full of grace. The Lord, please be with me. True. But, look, that's the tough part about all this stuff going on is that because you're trying to be a

decent American, you have to defend people that you never thought were funny. Like now I'm in a precocious position where you shouldn't censor Jimmy Kimmel and I have to make the defense like, you can't censor him, but it's like, I also think he stinks on ice, to be totally honest with you. That is actually the funniest part about it, where everybody who's defended Jimmy Kimmel first prefaces it with, he stinks. Yeah. Everyone's just like, this guy stinks out loud, but just let the guy make a joke.

I hate to say that they're making the equivalency between the horrible thing that happened to a unnamed gentleman a couple weeks ago. and like you're having to start You have to start Well I guess Charlie I don't know Charlie the cheesy crinkles You're having to Like start with a qualifier

Before you can make your argument We're like where you talk about Chee Keezy You have to be like look What happened was horrific Obviously it was bad And then you go into like You're the point It's the same thing with Jimmy Killow's like

Obviously this guy fucking sucks But you can't tell guys They can't say cool stuff on TV anymore Am I crazy for thinking That's like the first thing he said funny In like 20 years And now he gets canceled for it? It is insane

Dude, comedy is not back. I mean, the guy did blackface with Carmelin like 20 years ago. And they're like, nah, a YouTuber dies. You can't fucking, you can't have a joke. I thought the fourth stage of grief is construction. Yeah. I audibly laughed out loud. I thought that was a great joke.

And then cutting to that clip, I mean, having that clip to go off of, it makes a joke even better. Yeah. So obviously, it was a funny segment. I was like, Jimmy, where was this for the last 20 years? Dude, and it kind of is like, the whole thing. That is how dads talk during grieving periods, by the way. Old men, they'll start talking about building stuff when you bring up something sad that happened. It's like, oh my god, I can't believe

mom died in that car. I said, well, you know, we got to frame out the basement, you know, I don't want anything. We've had leaks all summer. And you know, don't you miss mom at all it? Because the bathroom's a mess upstairs. I'm thinking I'm just going to pull all the tiling out and we'll just go straight laminated wood. It's like, okay, I hope you're doing okay.

You know you miss her. You can just say it. I think it all, like, like, I think this argument, and by time people see it Monday, they'll just be like, what the fuck, can we stop talking about this and stuff? But I think, like, the argument has been pushed and pulled so many different ways that, like, I think right now what I'm most annoyed at is just, like, billionaires and capitalism is what's going to bring this country to its fucking knees. I don't even think it's politicians. Because that whole stuff with the next star guys, like, they owned, like, 36% of the stations that he was on.

And they're like, we'll pull them if the FCC allows us to merge with our competitor and basically make a monopoly on broad. cast television. Same thing with Colbert. I think that was exactly the same. Paramount. I was trying to do like a major merger and you have to get signed off by the government, which, hey, that's then-government intervention is totally cool. Otherwise, stay out of our way. That's the whole thing where you try to talk to people about, like, socialism and capitalism. It's like, you're basically doing rich guy socialism right now, where they own the means of production. And they are infiltrating the government. We spend and agree at the whim of these dudes. Let's just let us have a little piece. I'll come up with some cool ideas if you let me do this.

What kind of cool ideas? Pizza Fridays. Every Friday. Friday, everywhere, no matter what. Make ice cream free. Make ice cream free, dude. If I was president, the first thing I would do would make ice cream free. I'll put in some tough regulations. Bachelor parties, no more strip clubs. You only get to go to cabins and hang out with your friends.

Get to know your buddy. Get to know your seventh best friend. Everybody, this is a challenge I present to all of you. There's a big friend group that you're part of. There's always your seventh best friend. You and him can only hang out so long as the other six are present. Okay. Get to know that guy, dude.

Go to the bachelor party. That's going to have been in a state of rule. Get to know your seventh best friend on your bachelor. party. Get to know the seventh best friend of the bachelor party. There's always a guy that you had to fill out the brides, the groomsman, because your girlfriend has too many fucking friends. Yes. So you invite, like, the guy that you haven't talked to since, like, junior year of college.

Yes. Reconnect with him. That's a great point. Law number one. I like that. Okay. So to go back to the Jimmy Kimmel point, I wonder if you'll agree with this. He could just come back and host a show as in Blackface and just be, hey, y'all, I'm Jamble.

Can you believe what happened to that other honky? Good thing we canned him, and then he shoots a basket. And that'll full the FCC. These aren't bright guys, dude. I can't believe Bob Oygress and thought of that yet. That's what I'm saying. Why are we not in the offices of Disney? That's what I'm saying.

Just let me pitch it to you guys, all right? First of all, rom-com movie, first best friend and seventh best friend, they end up falling in love. That's for a different Disney Plus film. Pitch number two, bring Jimmy Kimmel back, make him be Carl Malone again. I love that. San's a 13-year-old. I love that.

Otherwise, he's good to go. Not wrong with that. Something to chew on, something to think about. It is funny how, like, we now have to wade into these waters because, like, nobody watches Jimmy Kimmel under the age of 65. Yeah. Which is crazy to me because it's not on until 11.30 at night. Yeah, I don't get the whole...

I don't get the late-night show thing at all. Yeah. Why do you have to be named Jimmy to have a successful one? Jimmy Carson, Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel. Too much Jimmy stuff. Put Jimmy Kimmel on the View, for Christ's sake. How's the view still around? You know what I'm saying?

That's crazy. Jimmy Kimmel got canned before the view. Those bitches' days. Whoopi's days are numbered. That's what I'm saying, dude. Put Jimmy Kimmel in as Whoopi Goldberg. Oh, man. So you think it's mostly just like, are we headed down a slippery slope?

Because if you really want to, like, talk about it, like, it's not the first administration to kind of, like, silence people. It's just, like, so in your face right now in this time. Like, I mean, during, during COVID and stuff, like, a lot of YouTube channels were getting, like, smoked. Yeah. The only problem is this is ABC and this is backed by billionaires on top of billionaires on top of billionaires. And that's where it kind of gets a little scarier than a guy who has like 100,000 YouTube subscribers. Yeah, it really is. It's also like this like the what aboutism that has taken over all of political conversation where Republicans are like, sure, it's bad.

Jimmy Kimmel got censored, but where was all this talk during the COVID shutdowns and this and that? And it's like, so you agree it's bad. Your point is not about whether or not it's bad. already in agreement with me. However, you're like, but the people I don't like said something similar and they let it happen. It's like, get a grip. And it's always like we just like, we whitewash

our brains when like a new thing happens because you can always just go back to history and be like this happened here. Like people were not happy that YouTube channels were getting cut. Yeah. Like I didn't think that was right that whether you agree with the Vax or not. I don't think that's right that someone gets their... Totally agree. Gets their place deep platform. Alex Jones, kind of a

crazy guy. But him getting deep platform is kind of fucking a little bit of oversight. Yeah, but then he flew a little too close to the sign where he was like, Sandy Hook didn't even fucking happen. It's like, all right, dude. Well, then if you're going to act like that, then you can't come to my fucking bar mitzvah anymore. There's a line you got to draw where I get that they're like, Jimmy Kimmel, you know, the things he said about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that's just wrong.

And it's like, it's wrong, but it is not as bad as being like that kid who died is actually just an actor. Like, that's crazy, dude. That's something you got to take. It's true. I guess when you do losing court for a billion dollars, you kind of have lost that one. And maybe you deserve to have your YouTube login taken away from you. Yeah, I mean, it's also like lost in court to the parents of the people. Yeah.

Like, that's who sued him. They're like, dude, fuck you. No way. What are you talking about? That one's tough. So when Mr. Bees dies, do we have just like a seven-day state funeral, North Korea style? Yeah, I think we'd have a military parade. Although I think Mr. Bees is going to be the first person to live forever.

He's going to get access to, like, immortality technology. But if he does ever pass, yeah, I think we're going to have to, like, do a full day of mourning. They're going to, you know, run out Lincoln Financial Field, and we're all going to sit in there and have to do, like, a forced North Korean cry. Oh, missa, bees, rest on peace. Mr. Beast, rest in peace. And then his video is going to be titled, Can I Return from the Afterlife? It's just Mr. Beast rising from a tomb in Jerusalem.

Mr. Bees is the second coming of Christ. Oh, my God. Mr. Bees is probably born in a major. Guys, today I succumb to natural causes. But can I return from the second plane of life? know he's already got that video made. 100%. If you're watching this, I'm dead.

That's what I'm saying. He has, like, that CNN video that they made in case the world ends. You ever seen that? No. CNN made, like, a video in case we go into, like, a nuclear Holocaust about, like, their pre-made kind of thing of how to deal with it and, like, stay inside, find shelter. That's a tough one. So Mr. Beast definitely has his, like, if you're watching this, I have passed.

I went from Mr. Beast to Mr. Beast of the past. Could you imagine Fox Newsdad having to, like, CNN just takes over? everybody's TVs and it's like all about a nuclear holocaust coming and like get in shelter get underneath your get under your table and get in shelter and he's like fuck you dude CNN not going to tell me how to fucking live dude fox news fox news dads are gonna like they're gonna watch the nuclear holocaust like it's a good storm that they haven't had in a while coming in where like they sit at like their glass doors in the backyard looking at like blasts go on a couple miles away and go we needed this we needed this man we needed a good blast it's been

a couple once last time we had a blast 42 yeah we needed a good blast They're going to sit outside, arms cross. Their kids are screaming at them. Please, Dad, come inside. You're already exposed to radiation. He's sitting there as the glass melts between him from the sheer heat of a nuclear bomb. That's going to be a Fox News dad. Oh, my God.

And that I respect. We needed this. We needed this. We needed this. That's just good stuff, dude. Dude, I'm telling you right now, I'd be so pissed off if we had to go to a camp. Yeah, I know. I can't shovel grass.

I got a bad back. Yeah, that's what we're talking. You're Larry Bird, dude. They're going to be out of the league. That's true. The worst part about it was Vito would be like our overlord. How so? Because they would find pictures of him at the Musk rally.

He would check his voting documents. We'd have to take orders from Vito. I'd be like, just put one in me. Put a bullet in me. We could just talk Vito out of every command he made at the camp, though. We're doing the podcast. Sorry to cut you off. We're doing the podcast.

It's just us talking to sticks. Yeah. It talks yet. No audio. What do you do for a living? I'm here. shoveling gravel with you, you fucking idiot. I sleep in pot, one A. I'm next to you and one B.

You know me. We've seen each other. How fast would someone try to be an influencer of the camp? Immediately. Within the first day. Someone snuck a phone in? Get ready with me to go shovel coal into the overlords train. Shovel coal back and forth. Back and forth.

Yeah, that'd be kind of nice put in a nice philosophical spin of like your, whatever, Sisyphus, pushing our rock up a hill. Come with me to my five to nine after my nine to five. Would it be nice, though? Getting some time off just to relax? I mean, for you probably. I work you like a fucking dog. You'd actually probably be awesome in there.

I think I would be pretty nice. I'd be like a top performer. Yeah, you'd be the mule. Yeah, but then they'd see all my backlogs are the things I've said, and they're like, you're done, dude. You got out of it. Public. As long as there's, you know.

Sorry, I'm jumping all over today. I'm just, I'm jazzed. Dude, I love that you're jazzed. You should be jazzed. I just chugged the monster before I got over here. Yeah, and that diacoga is comically large. Yeah, it's one of the bigger ones. I think it just tricks my mind to think I'm having a coarse light pounder.

I need a help. I need a lot of help at home. Things are not going good. Last night I had seven drinks, and I was like, way to take it easy, big dog. Went to a dinner party at my buddy's house. And I was told at this dinner party, you have a close friend. And it's like the, there's a scene and family guy where Lois and Peter are talking. And Peter makes a reference about something, and Lois knows the reference he's making.

And then Peter finds out that she's like the thing that he's liked his entire life. And he goes, I don't know you like that. And she goes, that's part of the adventure. I learned something about my buddy last night. An all-time story, okay? We might cut this because I don't know how it's going to translate to you guys. So he told me that when he was like eight or nine years old, now, just to preface this, he does have a bowl cut at this time. So imagine a young man with a bowl cut, skinny fat, freckles on his shoulders, one of those types of guys.

And he was playing wiffleball out front at a friend's house. Now, at the friend's house, there was a kid who had. no hair, no eyelashes, no hair on his body. Charlie Villanueva? Charlie Villanueva. Yes, very similar to that. So he hasn't met the kid before. So they're in line playing wiffleball, and they would just stand behind each other to go hit.

And the kid, first words he says to my friend is, bet you can't guess what's wrong with me. And my friend Zach is like, I'm not touching that. But then, you know, he's playing the game. He's getting excited. He's having fun. He had a nice hit. He gets back in line, and then there's a silence,

and he whispers, cancer. The kid goes, a lot of people think that. it's called alpecia and then Zach goes I think he had cancer oh that was cooler but just getting in line and whispering to somebody

cancer they never saw each other again which he may have succumbed to his you know ailments but there's alpicia dude listen Charlie Willow and away was out of the league he couldn't beat the alpecia either

couldn't beat a six nine and all dude he could not beat the charges yeah just uh just young kids dude how they navigate that interaction is as good as it gets It'll never get funnier than that. Well, Cass has a nephew who doesn't have alopecia, but he has some, he's some disease. And he doesn't have, like, sweat glands, his hair doesn't really grow.

Okay. But he looks like a cancer patient. So the amount of stuff that my future brother and sister-in-law get because they think the kid has cancer is kind of comical. They have to navigate it, yeah. like getting in line for the for the air uh the airplane yeah right up to the front right up to the jeez man i mean you i mean a ball player an athlete sees this kid yeah oh b line right for the kid right there we're getting an autograph we're getting it's cool i took him to eagle screening camp is that i can't imagine what lane johnson thought he was he probably thought he was a make-a-wish kid

yeah it probably did dude that's actually i mean that kid's gonna grow up and be funny as a hell oh the kid's an animal too he's got the perfect personality for it and everything because you know obviously kids just like look at him perfectly perfectly like zes back being like cancer and there's no malicious intent it's just you're new to this planet this is a different kind of person you've seen you want to learn about their backstory dude if i wasn't around the kid all the time i would think the same as i think i wouldn't i wouldn't go up to him out of my way or do anything i just be oh cass did you see that would be psychotic you see that poor little boy going up to a kid in the park and be like so what's your story it's like

oh second grade it's happened it's happened so much that like i've started to realize it and the dad'll just look at me and be like another one yeah is that right this is another notch on the belt great attitudes all around in that scenario i love that's the best i kind of got treated like that as a ginger growing up yeah people people see me with my parents like what's his what's his thing i don't know lack of melanin and he's also kind of annoying okay so this is normal he's healthy well he's not how he's asthma dude i got to show you this new alpha bro is there no way let me do our last just so we could put a pin on uh the the donald crump trying to censor people and saying that If you put out stuff that talks poorly about me, it can be illegal.

I obviously hate that as a Liberonian cheese, as a guy trying to defend democracy. But as a sensitive guy, it is how I think I would end up being president. Okay. If people are being mean about me on TV, I am going to be like, can you guys stop? You're going to go to jail. Okay, stop. I got a new haircut. I tried something new.

you didn't like it I don't need to see nine news channels talking about my new haircut so unfortunately you're going to the camps that is true that is true

man they were hitting his small hands in 16 17 yeah man dude if you hit me with my small hands if my small hands got mean to death camp

dude I would take a picture of my small hands hovering over the nuclear red button being like how small are they now for real how small are they they're tiny huh

this one's going right to Philadelphia true dude yeah I get carried away I'd start nuking my adversary oh my gosh So I will say, in a moment of human honesty, it resonates with me at least a small amount.

Yeah, is it kind of like only, like, being on social media, too, where it's like, on social media, you're like, oh, fuck, this is, this is so bad. Everything's bad. And then you kind of come out to the park and you're kind of like, people are just chilling. Look at some fine art. They're walking their dog, you know? Internally, we don't know what the fuck's going on with them. But, like, people are chilling. People seem pretty happy.

There's all smiles on their faces and stuff. Totally. I totally. And it's like, it's a beautiful setting. There's, like, fine art being presented and people are purveying it and doing, like, the... You know, when you go to an art museum

and you've got to put your hands behind your back the entire time and kind of look at stuff and nod your head. Yeah. I'm seeing a lot of that, and I love that. I like that stuff. Now, if we took a baseball bat to somebody's fine art and said,

I don't like the shit. Mm-hmm. Or we dump, like, tomato sauce, whatever they do. Like, they go to Louve and they dump it on, like, Mona Lisa. Yeah. And they're like, oil is bad. It's like, all right,

oil painting is good. Stop fucking dumping tomato soup on it, dickheads. I got to show you this album, bro. All right, you got to watch this. This guy's awesome. I just got to preface it with like, basically he's like in the same vein of Andy Elliot and like this guy definitely watches like Andy Elliott videos and all those

and Grant Cardone and all those guys. But basically to preface it with like he gets mad at his employees for wearing like Eagles or Phillies gear at work because he says they don't give a fuck about you. They're not coming to your funerals and basically you're gay. But you got to watch us. We'll splice in the video, so we'll come right back. I think it's disgusting. When I see people wearing Eagles gear and Phillies gear, I can't.

I'll wear something when I go to a game, but... A game's totally different, but when people were just wearing it... All day long, yeah. You heard the story with one of the Munch guys, right? And we won the Super Bowl, and he's wearing an Eagles hat in the office, and I literally walked up to him. I said, what are you doing? And he's like, what?

I'm like, you're wearing an Eagles hat in my building. And he's like, we just won the Super Bowl. I'm like, remove the hat or leave my building. I'm like, the Eagles don't care about you. They're not come to your funeral. I'm like, we support nothing but LB Capital or the branch we represent here. And I just have that across all my businesses. And people think that's it.

I'm like, they don't care about you. The sports players do not give a shit about you. That guy sells roofing. That kind of speak, dude. It really is exactly how my girlfriend talks to me after a band Sixers loss. Or I'm like sulking around. my mind I'm like this is a good reason to be sad and in her mind she's like you're a complete fucking loser I've dated way hotter guys why am I stuck here so she'll tell me the same thing she's

like they don't care about you they're not going to be at your funeral which don't speak so soon you don't know that it's a 90% chance fletcher cox might show up in my funeral somebody might just be in the area just pop in 100% make it an open attendance you're looking for directions that's all it is dude it could absolutely happen and then if let me see his logos first before I'm okay with wearing his merch inside of his building and now if they have a sick logo we can have a conversation That is fair We shouldn't be able to throw stones

Until we look at his merch line Can you imagine like he's in Philadelphia And then his logo is an eagle That's like what do you want to do What do you want to do? Kelly Green Yeah dude All of his stuff is just eagle stuff

It's like all right He's got the baby blue Philly's polos All right Yeah it's kind of sick He's got the black Iverson jerseys What do you want me to do Dude we wear fucking tank tops

With number three on them You know what that guy was a fucking loser For wear an eagle hat After they won the Super Bowl But the funny thing is So we wrote about this on Crossing Broad and we obviously did a deep dive. Actually, one of my buddies used to work for him

and said he's a completely terrible human bitch. Of course. This is him back in 2018. Full Tom Brady sweater. And he's got unpoored. He's just holding glassware. I know he's trying to be a big dog. Yeah.

If you could splice it in. He's trying to be a big dog. He's holding like a canter of whiskey. It's like everything's empty. It's just he's just holding fine china. It's like a big dog. Tom Brady ain't coming to your funeral, bro. Tom Brady isn't coming to his kid's funeral,

let alone yours. Dude, don't worry about what he's up to. Dude, he reached out to my boss and was like, the clip was taking out of context. Big talk, you posted the clip. Yeah. It was on your physical social media. It was your social media you posted the clip for. How was it taken out of context?

That is your context. I took my own clip out of context, dude. And by the way, again, I'm going to be Mr. Try to be on people's side. Maybe this is a case of hurt people, hurt people. Maybe that night he went to the Christmas party, wore that sweater. everyone saw him in that sweater like you look like a fucking jackass and then he's like

no one can wear sports off anymore then we're done That is true That is true Here's the here's a logo Balance Batchaman Capital Lance Bachman Capital

This guy's Adam He deleted Oh but this is what you can't do In Alpha Bro territory You can't delete the TikTok Can't admit you're wrong dude If you're gonna be an Alpha bro You have to keep up

With the visuals You have to You have to keep the TikToks up That's why everything you put You have to be willing To defend your life against it's Literally haters are motivators. Yeah.

His haters are apparently his cancellationers. This was his statement. I want to make sure everyone knows my recent comment was taken out of context. I strongly believe the company has to come first. As a lifelong Philadelphia, I've always supported our local sports teams. You're just in Tom Brady sweater. And always will. But when we're at work, we represent our companies first.

Wearing our work gear shows pride in the team that provides for our families and keeps our community strong. Supporting your company first doesn't take away from loving your sports teams. It simply means business comes first during business. business hours. That's how we win together. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I wish everyone the best. Good luck. I wish I could take a fucking shit on your phone after reading it. Shut up, Dork. Oh, my God. Business comes first. That's how we win together. That's how I collect a seven-figure salary and you make $14 an hour. That's how we win, brother. Yeah, that's how when a private equity firm is trying to buy our company,

that's why I lay off two-thirds of you so I can cook the books and make it look good for the bottom line and make it look like we have a great shareholder value. Yeah, it's all it matters, dude. That's how we win together. That's going to be our new phrase. Dude, the amount of DMs that we got after that was so funny, just being like, yeah, this is the most piece of shit human I've ever worked for in my fucking entire life. One guy was like, he married my aunt, and they got divorced.

There was a fight at the wedding. He stole my Eagles visors or something like that. I was like, dude, people just reaching up being like, if you ever want to write a hit piece on this guy, please use me as a source. Who would have thought there'd be so much intel? Now I'm starting to feel bad for him a little bit that everybody in his life fucking hates him. It's his business. Like, he, like, I don't necessarily disagree with the fact that, like, if someone came into a, if someone came into your office in an Eagles jersey and, like, August on a Tuesday, you'd be like, what are you fucking doing?

Like, this is a place of business. Like, wearing hats at work is kind of weird. Sure, sure. But it's just the way that he was just like, the Eagles don't fucking like you, dude. They actually fucking hate you. Yes. And they actually will spit on your grave when you're, when you're dead. And I was like, all right.

It seems like more than it needs to be. It's also, like, most of his employees are fucking quad. Island dudes so he's like no more FC Barcelona jerseys on the job site no sir please what's up you're a public defender we've got to have you congratulations congratulations if there was no cameras you can't do it I can blur you blur your face out how are you think about it and see if you want to come back around we'll be here for a little bit huh yeah we ask you what they do for a living it's fun yeah both like whatever you prefer what you're first name. Emily. What's your first name? I'm Zach. What's your name? Kyle. Kyle. I'm Matt. Nice to meet you guys. Nice to meet you

guys. What do you do for a living? I do supply chain. Supply chain. Yes. Oh, busy, busy, busy girl. Yeah. I'm actually a student. Okay. Um, in the last year of undergrad. Nice. Um, but I currently have an internship at a nonprofit. Sweet. So, what, uh, what are you going for? Um, for social work and HR. Can you see the school? Oh, yeah, Ramapo College of New Jersey. Oh, Jersey. I live in a Hanfield area. Where is that?

Is that North Jersey? Are you a North Jerseyman? I'm from Malibu County. Oh, so that's the fabled Central Jersey. Thank you. That's what I've heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I give credence to the Central Jersey too.

I think it certainly does exist. Do you believe in Central Jersey exists? I do. I kind of do. There's a difference between like South Jersey. We're all kind of like bumble-fucky kind of stuff. North Jersey is just want to be New York. You guys are just this kind of weird amalgamation of the two things, it feels like.

You believe in a jersey? A little bit. I think I work in central Jersey, like Trent and Ewing. No, that's more south. No, I think that's central to me. Mine's can be blurred. Where does central start and where does it end? I think it, so you know that the distra school bridge.

I'm not familiar with. The church is cold bridge. If you're going like on the parkway, that bridge to get over. I don't know it. There's like the bridge, like the only bridge. I have a loose understanding. My idea is like, I think it starts central Jersey starts after. the bridge. Well, we've all been on the bridge.

New Bridge. There's a bridge called Franklin Bridge. There's some goddamn bridge out there and we're going to cross it as a team one day. But I look at it as like Tom's Riverish. Anything Tom's River is that's central to me, I would think. Interesting. It's right. I can be off. So from Tom's River to where?

Like New Brunswick. Once you get a towards New Brunswick then you start to get to north. Okay. Yeah. I'm like my school is in Bergen County, which is all the way like the most northern part of New Jersey. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. I kind of have like both, you know. Got it. Yeah. And so HR and social work?

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. So would you rather do more social work or rather do more HR? HR? HR. Yeah. I think I'm meant for HR. Do you have a good, like, do you have a good firing tone? Yeah. Because you're going to be dealing with a lot of firing. So, again, people on a Zoom call and saying, head of talent acquisition. Head of talent acquisition. I feel like I'm good at hiring. I could definitely like.

Well, we're going to need some firing, too. I think that's the easy part of it. Okay. It had to be, had to be like a strong skill. Fire him. Yeah, do it. Let's do a quick act out on this podcast. that you invited me on. Yes. We're taking over now.

We just outsourced our HR. You're the head of talent deacquisition, and you're deacquisitioning me. So, Matt, right? Yeah, I just had my first kid, so I'm really excited. I was a guy about the Zoom call today, so... Yeah.

So, thank you to, you know, from Marissa for passing off to me. I just wanted to give you, like, the basic, like, compensation package of what... I don't know. I'm getting fired yet. You've got to tell me I'm getting fired. Again, I just had my first kid. He's so small.

He has so many diapers. that it's so expensive health problems in this economy yeah in this economy with like you know our funding and everything unfortunately um today's going to be our last day with the company so we i know this may be a little bit hard to hear i just had my first baby um it has nothing to do with your performance it simply is just like the budgets um within the company and my wife's in the military she's not even home um so i'm going to pass it off to my um call wait where you pass it Yeah, there was two HR people. You don't have the balls to fire?

Get the Shaq and Kobe of HR firing. I'll get, I'll get better with it over time. Yeah, I liked that. Give me two years. That was pretty good. That was very, very good. You've really good a HR voice. Truly, that was very good.

All right, now, convince me to take a drug test. No, I'm just kidding. Wait, so funny enough, you should probably ask her. Whoa, hey, what's up, Druggy? What's up, drug tests? Yeah, no, I got hired by this company that I work for now. And I was in Texas at the time for grad school, and then I came back, like, moved across the country, and then I got

fired the day of my start date because I was too hydrated. I failed three drug tests for being over hydrated. She's never like done drugs or anything. No like I don't do drugs like everyone knows I don't do drugs. So they they made you test and they just kept saying it was like inconclusive. Well they never they never told me. So then I called the head of talent acquisition and he fired me when I was I was at the bank going to solid core. I lost my move all the way across the country. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Like halfway like Texas. Yeah. So it's still crazy. It was insane. The fuck How many deer parks were you crushing a day? Like 12, 15.

To be fair, you are over hydrant. I'm worried about you. I am. I am. What are you on? Water. I really, like, I don't know. So they obviously thought you had, like, you were buying some stuff off the rack and, like,

trying to pass his drug test. Wow. So what's it? But now I work for them and they love me. Oh, all. All right. Right? It all worked out.

It all worked out. Okay, good. That's a good nice stuff. I think everything happens for the reason. Yeah. It all worked out. How did you not get blackballed? Um.

It's all about, like, talking. You have to network. And not hydrating. And, yeah, literally. I was so thirsty. We used to have problems. I worked in recruiting, and we would have problems, but I'd never heard someone be overhydrated for three.

Right? Isn't that insane? Well, because they never let me know. But I was doing, like, hot Pilates and I was in Texas. Like, I had so much. I gave them, like, the longest email of my life. But, like, during the time, like, where you're figuring things out, you got to explore the city and, like, it worked out for you.

I was making new friends. Family and anything here? You're kind of just. No, they're all in North. Jersey. Okay. So it was just me in the city alone. And then I called him and I was like I got my job taken away. Help. It came as soon as I heard like drove down there. Yeah. But it worked out because I became like best friends with all my neighbors and my roommate. Nice. Yeah. So how long in between getting fired and then getting hired? A month. Oh, that's pretty scary. What's that

month like? You kind of on edge the whole time? I was just I did whatever I wanted. Oh, so it's pretty sweet. It kind of worked out. Like the money wasn't coming in. The money wasn't coming in. It was just going out. But I had the time of my life. Unemployment. So it was. Hydrated as fuck. and spending money. I was so hydrated. The Philly tap water. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. So supply chain, are you guys still getting screwed with like COVID stuff? Is that still kind of?

No, not really. It's more so just like crazy companies. Okay. Like Amazon. Amazon kills us every week. Yeah, they over order that forecast. Yeah. Yeah. And you work directly with them? Yes. Yeah. So I work for church invite, which is the parent company of Armand Hammer, Trojan, first response Trojan Trojan, Trojan, first response, vibes, vibrators. Plimby? No, just first response. So you guys got some desperate end customers that are like, I ordered a vibrator a week

ago, I'm going to lose my mind, it doesn't come in here. That's my girlfriend. Send it to order it. No, it's intense. You know, total respect to her, I mean. Yeah, so you're just pushing condoms, pushing vibrators. That's pretty sad. Yeah, you are, you are important to this society.

Right? People need me. working the other day just like about money and how like nothing in this world is free and like it always starts somewhere like you're saying with your job yeah moving out I was like wow I'm so poor yeah because I didn't realize how much everything cost yeah insane yeah are you in like a like a like an office setting are you like kind of the warehouses on that headquarters yeah no I stayed okay I was gonna say if you're in a warehouse all day you got to be high oh yeah no no warehouse for me yeah I don't believe the warehouses are terrified I'm not like a real like manly man you know

and I've been in a warehouse couple times. I'm kidding. Okay, thanks for coming on the podcast, guys. Is that going to be in the Instagram short? No, we're actually going to drug test you before the pods over. I already had my gallon today. No, that's crazy. Stop having a gallon.

I feel like I did. Like, I already had a gallon of a while. Stop drinking so much water. Hot Pilates in the morning. Yeah, hot potty's in the morning, gallon after a little smoothie. So you've ripped a gallon. What time do you wake up? Yeah.

Like eight? It's just like, you're drinking that. You're drinking that. Coke and I'm drinking water. That's true. We are not the same. We're not the same. I did have a monster energy before I had this. So I'm like the exact opposite of whatever you are. Anti-hydrant. What time did

your day start? Like two hours ago, dude, I'm such a failure. It's crazy. So what do you guys do for work? So I work in sports content and he works in the government. Yeah, I work in logistics for the government. Logistics. And this is like a side project for you guys, passion project. Kind of. It's working.

We have a bit of an audience, so it's kind of become more of a job than we expected. Yeah, still side side passion now definitely we were talking earlier about like how cool it would be to like do either like content creation or like social media stuff full time because we're like watching youtube earlier and we're just like looking at these people and how they're able to like make a living off of it yeah you should just go on TikTok live and just fire people all the time in HR you'll be sick dude I could definitely do one off of like in HR they have like what's your name corporate Natalie if you've seen her yeah or like but I feel like I could do other things too

yeah do you like that corporate kind of content I call him boss baby like He was born to be in corporate America. Yeah. He's only 21. Which is good because like... You're only 21? Holy shit, dude. I mean, it's good that you, like, want to be in corporate America because I feel like

we need more people like you guys because, like, everybody wants to be in content creation now or be an influencer and stuff. Now, if you want to be an influencer in corporate America... You can do both. I can do both. True. I think I'd want to keep, like, my work, like, separate. Like, I could do content creation off of other things.

What would you do content creation for? Maybe, like, I run. So maybe something, like, running base. running the New York City Marathon. Is he? Nice. When's that? November 2nd.

Oh, okay. First marathon? Yeah. How far are you trained? How many miles? Yeah. I did 19 yesterday. Wow.

So that was the longest I've ever run. People who run terrify me. They're crazy. They scare me. Yeah. You could combine the two worlds for your content creation where, let's say you do the New York City Marathon, and before you do it, you kind of reach out to a couple companies of who they're trying to lay off.

And during the marathon, while you guys are running, you kind of go up, tap them on the shoulder and just say hey pack your bags your desk is cleaned out you know that's not idea yeah just something to think about 21 and if they're not there you can just record a video while you're running mile 5 sorry Deborah JP Morgan

is letting you go mile 6 then you just keep going that would go crazy that would get a lot yeah we'll find you 26 people that we want to fire wait you guys should shout out my Pilates studio you can do it yeah focus hot Pilates and Fred Marr.

Focus half Pilates and Brimmar. That's all. Bring your gallon. Bring your gallon of water. Yeah, I get a free membership because I post on their Instagram now. Oh, no shit. Right? That's pretty sweet.

That's like, I was just like posting selfies in the mirror and they were like, wait, like, free membership. Oh, fuck you. Right? What a gig. All right. So I know. Brinmore Pilates will give you a free membership. Yeah.

It's funny. We had once talked about starting a podcast. Yeah? We did our secret. Maybe it's the inspiration. Do you think we're like good enough for that? Yeah. I mean, as long as you don't take our fucking jobs, please.

Just don't do this. So then we should be good. Yeah, as long as you don't come into our landscape. You can't have any rivals. I don't have to bury you. Can't promise that. Why did you get into supply chain? Money.

Yeah. A lot of money over there. There is, it's hard to have, like, a passion behind logistics. I have, like, no passion. Like, I wanted to help people, but I just, I can't. I think I would have went to supply chain at one point in my life. I think supply chain is so interesting. It's fun.

Like, I'm a planner. So, yeah. So I make the plans for the plants, like the co-packers. I make their schedule. What are co-packers? What do they do? They actually make the product. So are they like the people in the Amazon warehouse?

No. Okay, so this is the funny part. I work for Armandhammer, the kitty litter. Yeah. Which I think it's so funny. Yeah. Do you know Army Hammer? Do you know Army Hammer's grandfather was the inventor of Armandhammer?

I've never heard of that. Yeah. Army Hammer. Is that really Army? Army. Army Hammer? Yeah, the former actor. Who then tried to eat a person? That's a real.

story that's a real story his grandfather great great grandfather's name was army hammer and so he's part of that's why the company is named arm and hammer yeah oh yeah cool that's good why don't you bring that up on monday i will monday meeting i'm gonna have to yeah i was on a podcast that is the coolest name of all time army hammer is pretty cool big dick jack guy that's my that's my full day that's crazy dude yeah that's awesome well any uh any party thoughts you guys have for us anything you want to share with folks this was really like really fun yeah you guys are yeah cool for having us Sweet. Nice meeting you guys.

You guys think you'd have a better podcast in this? For sure, yeah. Okay. Just don't do anything similar and we should be good. We'll come on your guys podcast. Yeah, we'll come on yours. Yeah. We'll do it a lot. Okay, awesome.

We'll follow you guys on, like, Instagram, YouTube. Sweet. Thank you. He's got all the socials for you. Cool. Appreciate you. Good luck firing everything. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Sometimes when we get two people on at the same time, I don't know who to talk to, because then I feel like I'm also like ignoring this person every year. And then sometimes I feel like I haven't talked to Kyle in a little bit. I have a hard time navigating. I think supply chain is so interesting. I did want to ask her, like,

when are we getting our, when is our fucking eggs decreasing? When are our grocery prices decreasing? How do we figure out how? I mean, she's still right here. I could answer her, but like, how the fuck, like, why can't we figure things out? Why are things not getting cheaper?

I mean, I think it kind of always goes back to one thing. What? If you can justify an upcharge, regardless of what the upcharge is, the truthfulness of it might not be they can tell you, oh, you know, it's just hard, everything's more expensive and it's really like, we could just mark it up by like 15%. They'll just have to deal with it.

They need eggs. It's still COVID. See you guys. I feel like everyone's just like, still COVID. It's COVID. It still is, though, dude. Because it is. How long is it date to get back?

Well, I hate to say it. In five years. I think it's less of like the people getting fired or like people not being able to go into like facilities. I think a lot of employees died. So it's like they're trying to replace them in a lot of ways. I mean, that's at least my read on it. They're old, dude, they're all retired.

What were they doing, you think? They're retired. Putting together vibrators, an old lady in the store. I'm taking this one home. That is sick. Vibrators, by the way, putting me out of business for crazy. I mean, this is the lady who is in charge of people's sex toys. Yeah.

Can you imagine? Imagine those fucking emails? I ordered this shit a week ago. I'm fucking dry shit right now. You're going to say this when the Sabbath is literally tomorrow? There's got to be somebody that's like putting an angry email. They're like, they got the double XL grinder bender 2000. And they're like, if this thing doesn't come in by Tuesday, I swear to fucking God, I'm going to kill my husband.

Could you see, could you imagine being like, all right, we got to figure out how we can efficiently get the double prong delo to Gary in Indiana? Yeah, you have to be the guy that innovates, like, creative ways to get it like to a certain weight. So it's, it ships for a less amount of money. It's so funny to think about that. Like, everything has a supply chain. Like, even the craziest shit has a supply chain. Like, even nukes have a supply chain. True.

You heard, you did you see that they just found, like, old, I think they might be nukes just under the city of Belgium. And, like, 20,000 people got evacuated because they found missiles underground from World War II. You didn't hear about this? You got to know where the missiles are. You got to know. You got to have a travel log of the missiles. It's, I feel like, here's this story.

Was it legit nukes or was, like, big, time, like, missiles? I don't know if they're nukes, but they were, like, some kind of old-time ballistic missile that was found in a city that had 20,000 people that lived there, I'm going to say they were just choned during World War II and stuff? Yeah, they had to get evacuated. Let me see if I could pull it up. That's crazy. It was, yeah, like a couple days ago. So 20,000 people, they had just get a text message, I guess, from the government being like, hey,

whoopsie. You remember those missiles we were looking for? And I never goes, yeah, we weren't looking for him from that old war when we used to have that old dictator, that old Hitler guy. Whatever happened to those missiles? Was that Belgium? I guess when the third right goes down, maybe there wasn't some, you know, some transcribing really going on.

I feel like there was probably, that's what the thing. The nuke files got probably burned at kitty hawk or something like that. Yeah, they probably were just like, just bygones be bygones. You guys were a little bit of pricks for a little bit. We're going to help you rebuild. Goebbels was probably like, what do we do with the nukes out in Belgium? And he's like, are reverturgy. They are getting buried.

They are six feet under. Oh, they're messos. That's crazy. Can you believe that, dude? I guess it makes sense why they lost them. But doesn't that happen all? Remember you see stories that are like, they, lost a nuclear missile in the Atlantic Ocean.

Like, you see stuff like that a little more commonly than you... You know what they hear about these? Dude, losing missiles happens like not all the time, but for it being a missile happens way more often than you'd be comfortable with. Yeah, yeah. So, like... I mean, losing one missile is too many missiles. I agree.

Full me once. I want that on wax right now. Losing one missile is too many missile cells. Folks... You could take that to the bank. Fool me once? Not at all, dude. Losing missiles.

One's once is bad. Can you imagine the anxiety-inducing job? It must be to be the missile relocator. Everything you touch, you're like, I hope this thing doesn't fucking explode. Yeah. Fuck. Remember when we lost that one over Longitude 37,

latitude 39? Telling your boss. I hope that one does. Hey, you know about that missile that I was supposed to carry? Getting back to the office. And they're like, so how did it go? How did it go transporting that major enormous missile?

It's in the Caspian Sea right now. The missile, the missile. Oh, the missile. Oh, the missile. We were transporting. Yeah, we, Um, me and Bob were talking about it. We, so you're gonna, you're gonna laugh.

We were going over the Atlantic Ocean, it's scenic, and the fucking missile fell off the boat. Bob was like, Bob was like, oh my God, look at that whale! Yeah, look at that, and we love whales. You have whales in your office. You have pictures of whales in your office, you love whales, too. Your daughter, your daughter has that whale. Your wife was a big fat woman. You loved those.

You told me that when we were drinking that one time. We got fucked up that one time. We said, my whale of a fucking wife is a bitch. Yeah, remember said you never loved her, you started dating her because you felt like you had to have a girlfriend. for too long and they think you're gay, so you started dating this woman and now you're tied up with her. Maybe you like the whale, you like that. We dropped a fucking missile in the Atlantic Ocean, dude.

Long story short, there's a warhead at the bottom of the ocean. I guess you could say we're missing a missile. Then our buddy from the last interview comes in and fires us. Yeah. That is something different, dude. Damn. It's starting to smell like poop here. Is it?

Yeah, I'm getting whiffs of poop. Well, there was a dog that I think Vito got that shit on Yeah, it was shit right next to us Yeah, that's not great All right, let's do another one What's up, bro? We do a podcast where you ask people what they do for a living You got five minutes?

All right What's up, man? Dressed in the nines We asked people what they do for a living, five minutes? All right. Hey, folks, how are you? We do a podcast where you ask people they do for a living Anyone got five minutes?

It's a fun time. UPS. You know like two minutes? I'll give you two minutes. Give me two minutes. You can't just tell me that you have two minutes and I'll give you two minutes now. Oh, dude. I've used that trick before.

Yeah. That your wife knows about two minutes. Hello. Hey. You again. You got to stop meat like this. Oh, my God. You got to stop meat like this, big dog.

You guys get out. He's intrigued. Oh, you again, dude. Dude, you guys are just, you're hanging on the rim right now. Dude, that's 15 yards for taunting you, too. Hey, sir, how are you? We do a podcast where you ask me what they do for a living. Can you get five minutes of your time?

Let's go, dude. Let's go. Sit over here. This one's going to be a little longer for you. Just to speak up, I'm a little harder here. Sure. Those will feel like we're in your brain. Yes.

Oh, okay. What's your first name? Jerry. And what do you do for a living, Jerry? I'm retired now. What did you do? Sales. Sales.

Mainly industrial services. Which kind of industrial services are we talking about? Well, you know, if you need a circuit card for your product, you're not going to set that up for yourself. So you would come to our company. We'd make the card for you. What's a circuit card if you don't mind me asking? It's like it has the resistors, transistors, integrated circuits.

You've seen them. A circuit card. It's the board with all the gizmos on it. Sure. Okay. Board for like a computer or for like a... No, even a hospital bed. Everything's electronic.

Yeah. Got it. And, you know, we used to do them for hospital beds, for example. How much they cost? typically back then well our commercial products back then maybe 80 to 150 bucks but you're mass sales right you're selling a lot of those well no well that was our niche you know everything was offshore that was high volume okay and so you know the lower volumes are you know a few thousand yeah you know you get them made domestically that is that

related to the uh we hear about the chip crisis going on at the time we don't have enough chips. Is that kind of fold into your old line of work? Well, after I changed jobs, I then went into microelectronics. And that is basically a circuit card that, you know, you're actually resistors are printed ink. You do it like when you make a circuit card, for example, especially a multi-layer one, you're laying trace multiple layers. And so that goes down step by step. So then, like, when you're ready to put the surface mount, as they used to call them, I don't know what they call them now, but before you would even put the integrated circuits or anything on, you would actually print resistors or print capacitors with ink.

And then when it would come to actually mount the components, the assemblers would actually be using a microscope for the placement. And that was for low-volume-integrated circuits. We did a lot of that for the military because they have so much obsolete stuff that they still maintain. They have such a long life cycle compared to commercial. So, well, we also did HVAC. I had several customers. I came up with our slogan.

We're on the cutting edge of obsolescence. That's kind of the story of my life, to be honest with you. I relate to that quite a bit, the cutting edge of obsolescence. And then I did injection molding, you know, once again, you know, you need a widget or a component, and you're not going to do that yourself because that's not what you do, you know, the core competency thing. And so you'd come to us, and we would injection mold. And once again, because of the nature of economics, we would be doing the relatively low volume stuff. No trash cans and coat hangers, as my boss used to say.

Sure, sure. Got it. I'm kind of curious. I see this, at least a lot of my buddies that are in sales. It feels like especially being in like a technological sales field, you have to have a pretty good understanding of things that are kind of convoluted. Did you see a lot of guys that had no clue what they were talking about, and they'd be up there pitching, and you're like, this jackass has no clue what he's saying right now? Oh, all the time.

Yeah, okay, sure. You know, especially in purchasing. Okay. Oh, yeah, I bet. Just they're spending money. You know, they're just looking at part numbers. They don't have a clue. Yeah.

But I always remember, and I'll even say, Mac Truck. They were one of my customers. And the reason I always remember this was the guy was, theoretically, a graduate of West Point. And I couldn't read a freaking drawing. Okay. You know, it was ridiculous. Sure. Yeah.

And don't get me started on West Point. Oh, yeah. Are you a Navy guy? No, no, I never served. I was Vietnam era, and I got a high draft number. Congratulations. What was that? What was it like, wasn't it, from what I've read and what I've seen, it was basically like you would sit around the TV and if they called your birthday, you would get drafted?

Yeah, well, the radio. The radio, yeah. So, I mean, that's like the, you guys are like the NFL draft of war. Yeah, really. The draft war. Yeah, it was in a way, except that they didn't pay as well. Yeah, sure. I had a poor, we were on trimester, so they were sure.

short, you know, like three sessions instead of two for the audience. Yeah. And poor Charlie Treyer, man. He got 14 and, you know, six weeks later. In fact, I just recently found out through Facebook, an old roommate of mine that Charlie did make it back. Oh, man. But I didn't know for 50 years.

That's crazy. What was the anxiety knowing that like the draft call was. coming up like a week before i personally didn't have any i used to be from brooklyn and i didn't take you know anxiety's gay is what you're trying to say in not so many words you if i had to go i was going to go hell yeah i didn't want to but you know if i went i was going to try to come back yeah yeah what was the general reaction i mean finding out that we were they were starting a draft and you have loose ideas that like it could be any of us is there like a constant worry Well, I imagine some people did, but I didn't.

Exactly. That's really what he's going back. That's the name of the pot today. The cutting edge of obsolescence of getting back from Vietnam in a lot of ways. Sure, yeah. How about that? What was it like around that time? Like piggybacking off of like Matt's question and stuff?

Well, I was along here, which we call ourselves, which at Shippensburg State in the early 70s was a, I wouldn't call it. rare but there weren't many of us and uh but then again we weren't hippies you know you know i always said you know we were freaks you hit us we hit you back sure and uh so i tended to hang around with guys like myself yeah you know so we were in the party and and everything like that but having said that most of my friends and relatives for that matter being from new york were very liberal anti-war i had hair down to hear and I voted for Nixon twice. Really? Yeah, because

I believed in conservative economics, conservative politics, strong America. Yeah. You know, just because I have long hair, party, and... Was that a minority opinion back then? I mean, obviously Nixon won, so I guess it wasn't, but... Well, among the long hair as it was, but

I would say in the general populace, it was pretty common. So you were really, you were kind of incognito. You were like almost behind enemy lines where they were like, hey, he's one of us. And you're like, I'm not wearing tie-dye, buddy. I'm not all the way that yeah yeah I well you know it's it's just you know to me common sense you know this is a great country you want to keep it yeah and you don't want to see it go down so you guys sometimes you know like a like I said I was lucky and didn't have to but

sometimes skin has to be put into the game and unfortunately you know I you know my Facebook feed I get a lot of I have this One or two fees, I guess they are, that, you know, from World War I on up, you know, guys that threw it all on the line for us. Yeah. And, you know, it almost makes you cry. You know, these guys, 20, 21, 18. Yeah. And they just took it upon themselves that I'm going to turn this battle around and save my friends.

Sure. So we have a lot of great people in this country, you know, that I'm thankful for. Yeah. So, I don't know if I'm expressing myself, but that's how I look at it, that, you know, if you want all this and you have to protect it, then you have to protect it. Interesting. And the idea that you can just say peace, love, and kisses just doesn't cut it in the real world. You know, it's a, it's a, people refuse to understand or appreciate that this is a very vicious world we live in. You get out of the United States and a few western countries, you know, like you get into Southeast Asia, South America, Africa.

It's a very dangerous, vicious world. And, you know, we got Russia that we're contending with, China we're contending with. And they have expansionist philosophies. And their philosophy isn't just, you know, be Russia or be China and be half. happy and good, you know, at what I do, their thing is they want to take over. And so if you don't want to end up like them, you have to resist. Yeah. I don't, you know, I don't know the nature of your...

No, I'm just interested really because you've lived such a long life and everything. You've seen so many different administrations. And I would say probably in me and Maddie's young lives and stuff, this is kind of more of a... What's the right word? It's more of a conflicted time, I would say. The most conflicted time, I would say, in mine. Back in the seven, you know, Vietnam era was black and white. You know, the only real big, only two big issues back then was the war and race.

And even in the early 70s, in my personal experience, you know, you go to Shippensburg, the poor blacks there, they trucked them in from Philly and Harry. Harrisburg and most of them had to go to summer school to start freshman year because their schools were so crappy. Got it. But they dump them in Shippensburg, which in 71, you know, like... It's in nowhere. Yeah. There's one casino out there, and I think that's just about it.

And you have to have, and you had to have a car. Yes. And they didn't. Yeah. You know, so what happened to them is like, I knew. I didn't know all that many, to be honest, but you didn't know all that many junior, senior year, because freshman and sophomore year, they wash out,

either academically or they just can't take the... Yeah, the area that they're maroon. Yeah, it's crazy circumstances to be under, sure, sure. Coming from Center City, all you know, or coming to Philadelphia in general, all you know, an urban environment to go into anyone who's watching this who doesn't know Shippinsberg is. Google.

There's a reason, yeah, with all due respect. Mayberry was Mexican. Metropolitan compared to shipping. Sure, sure, sure, yeah. But just like, but going back to my original question of just being like, you know, you live it, you read the news, you see everything. It's like I've always kind of had like an optimistic feeling about like just life in the world or at least I try to right now. Like do you think, you know, you've lived through so many administrations and stuff that we are as divided as we, as we've ever been? Or do you remember, like, the 70s and 80s and the 60s and stuff?

No, no, no, no. This is the worst I've ever seen. Oh, okay, great. Yeah, it seems, it seems. We were kind of looking for you to make us feel better. We were trying to draw from you to be like, gosh, in the good old days. The good old days of the Vietnam War, that's how you know it's been. Cold, not the good old days. Yeah.

Holy hell, man. Yeah, that's how bad is it. Sure. All right, so anxiety's not yet. Okay, so, yeah, we are worried. Okay. Fair, fair, fair, fair. Okay.

No, no, it's, it's really. disappointing upsetting I think it's a good word for you know because I'm an I I wouldn't call myself this but I'm beginning to think I'm an optimist sure yeah yeah because

right now whether you agree with me politically or not I think we may have dodged a bullet this last election if we'd have kept going down the road that Biden had us on Obama had us on I think

Well, Obama is like In the root of a lot of this He's the one who brought race back You know, the great unifier He's the one that brought race back By being black? Or just... To be no, by

Well, yeah, because he was so anti-white You know, he Brought the dichotomy back I think if you look back In my opinion, my experience in the 90s you know race wasn't a thing you know you were starting to you know

he was grunge music yeah first of all you got to understand I grew all up in an all white neighborhood in the 50s and 60s where all you heard was bad things about blacks and Puerto Ricans because that's what they were back then

that was Brooklyn yeah they weren't Hispanics you know they were everyone was a Puerto Rico sure okay and no I grew up basically being told by my dad even you know in so many words yeah they're not good and uh it wasn't until i got to college and actually i only knew two black guys in my

freshman year i went to catholic school there's many black catholics yeah at least in pennsylvania yeah yeah and uh and then when i went to college is where i finally got to meet black guys. I was very anti-gay until I got to college because once again, that's the way you grew up, you know, hearing that. But I got to know a bunch of gay guys before I knew they were gay. Yeah. And then when I found out they were gay, I said to myself, well, you liked them before. Yeah, just a regular guy. Yeah, yeah. Sure, you get, yeah, you get to explain your horizons a little bit, and I think that's a pretty fair. I had not, you know, not directly similar experiences but you do live in kind of like a shelter thing i went to catholic school my whole life

and then you go to a i went to a public school in new jersey and you're like oh my god there's billions of different people that i've i've known 13 people my entire fucking young adult life and now i mean people that you've never seen before it changes the perspective when my daughter went to temple and when we went down for you know like orientation well no before that when you're checking out college when you're visiting yeah yeah sure she went in to talk to them for a bit and i'm stand out front and I'm like I said holy crap I feel like Doug funny man I mean there was like

everything I mean there was everything but literally green and purple people sure but I mean you know like you've seen the the hajeebs and yeah you know and then like like you said every variety of all the colors of the rainbow and styles

yes you know like clothing and you know it just like it was an eye opener sure and uh Definitely. But it's learned experiences, and that's kind of what, like, Nita. Well, that's what my daughter, that's what she wants. I was a type of guy, too. You know, we came down from outside of Allentown, and she grew up in, like, you know, vanilla pudding.

Yeah. And so she was ready for, and she stayed in Philly. That's how I'm here now. I just moved in across the street two months ago. A circuit breakers must have been selling pretty nicely If you moved into cross streets It's not a bad line of business No more obsolescence for us

It sounds like I rent And it's a studio You and me both, bro Hey listen dude You know what else is going obsolete Oating a house Yeah true Well that's another thing

I was just reading I don't know how much you want Yeah You want me to talk but No it's a real It's a real shame Yeah I mean

I've had more I lost the bar because we couldn't make money in the 80s we were paying 18% yeah because it was a commercial loan yeah and it was just killing us I mean we couldn't you know we were making a living yeah but we couldn't get ahead and the bar was just steadily wearing down you know we couldn't replace the cooler we were constantly wearing it just all adds up on top of each other yeah and uh so that's why we finally bailed uh you know got out of it it was just crushing it. I've had six and a half percent house

mortgage. I've had 12% commercial. I had rental properties when I was real young. And they were like that was 12% and you got to understand. Do you mind just bring in the mic to you? Oh, you got to understand. I had like basically pristine credit. I paid off my student loan. I paid off car loans. I paid off a mortgage. Sure. And when we went to buy our house in Allentown, I had to give them even copies of my IRA and 401

statements You know It was brutal Well from what I'm reading Well because of the cost of living You know I also think it's sometimes The approach that young people have today

That I don't think they were raised as much as we were As well as we were You know you got to save up Yeah we get that we get that a lot The old avocado and toast argument Where it's like if you guys saved a little bit more And it's like well you could save as much as you want but that property that is not worth $400,000,

that's what Black Rock bought it for. And now that's its valuation. And I have to contend with these major real estate conglomerance that can out buy me at all times. Well, that's a valid point. Sure. That the article that I read, I didn't think of it, brought up was, yeah, the houses, the valuations of the houses are insane.

You'll go for a house and then someone will buy $100,000 over. I'm trying to get $4.50 from my house. God damn, that's what I was trying to buy, all right? I'll give you $200. It's the best I could do. That's up in Alentany, son? Over by Shippensburg, there's a shack out there for $2.4 million. It's unbelievable.

When I was at Shippensburg, I rented a 200-acre farm. Sure. Just half a mile dirt road, no neighbors, big parties. And it was $165 a month. Crazy. Four-bedroom farmhouse and 200 acres. It's unbelievable. Well, I have one more question for you before we let you run.

This has been a great interview. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. You've asked me a good question. Yeah. I like talking to people your age because you guys have good perspective on things. You got a lot of learn experience and stuff. You do think, yeah, you've got to talk to people from all different perspectives nowadays.

Let me ask you. You voted for Nixon twice. Was he part of Watergate? Did that happen? What was the deal with that? Oh, Watergate. You know, the thing about Nixon and Watergate was it showed he was a terrible politician, although he was very good, obviously.

But he had nothing to do. with the break it okay the cover-up is where he got something right got it if he hadn't been so either stupid or loyal i don't know which it was he should have just thrown those guys under the bus and said hey man i didn't know i didn't order this right but he tried to cover it up and that's what he actually got in trouble for sure not to break it so um i'm also regretting him opening up China. Sure. Yeah. He's the one who kicked off

this whole... Industrial Revolution stuff. A lot of the offshore manufacturing and kind of being the buyers of the world instead of the suppliers. And yeah. See, that's another thing that sucks for you young people. And, you know, I know it's getting a little political, but you know, at least whether you agree with him

or not, but if Trump's policies can be, you know, four years isn't going to do it. Yeah. But, you know, just say we're lucky to get another Trump-type thinker in there, whether it's Vance or whoever it may be. And we can keep these policies in eight years and get all these jobs reshored. You talk about tariffs and stuff? Well, no, bringing the jobs back.

You know, instead of all our, like, machinists, you know, machinist is a good living. Yeah, I ran a machine shop here. Sure. We talked to a... Unbiased opinion, yeah, of course. Yeah, sure. We talked to a luxury. But those guys can make good money, is my point.

Sure. You know, where you can buy a house. You still think people want to do those. Yeah, that's, I think. You think people want to do those jobs, though? Pardon me? You think people want to do those jobs, though? Oh, well, yeah.

If you were going to pay me, I don't, well, hell. Like our age. Like, I don't think, I don't know if, like, our age wants to be building, building iPhones or doing factory work. Well, no, no. Machinist isn't, you're making things, you know. running a machine. There's some class to it, in my opinion. You know, there's some stature. You know, if you're a good machinist, I think you can be proud of what

you do. Yeah. If you're pulling boxes, this idea of giving people a living wage to flip burgers or move boxes at Amazon, where's the pride in that? No, you're right. I mean, we do need some jobs that, like, people have some pride. There's some. I think the argument is just there's enough money to go around where you could make a living wage doing just about anything, especially when, in contrast, you look at, like, CEO salaries and these big conglomerates that own things. Well, see, that's another thing. The CEO, don't quote these numbers, but let's just say 30 years ago, a CEO's salary

was like 100 times, maybe, you know, these numbers are, you know, 100 times, times like their typical employee. Now they're four and five and 600, plus the other thing that pisses me off is, oh, I I don't remember his name, but I remember when the Disney president. Iger, Bob Iger? No, before him. Oh, like Walt Disney? No, there was a guy in between that did like the Renaissance of the Disney movies in the 90s.

I can't think of his name. Yeah, but something around that here. Whoever he was. Sure, sure. He made like a, if I remember correctly, a $200 million bonus that year. Yeah. And you know what he did? He took the Disney library that Walt Disney and all those guys made and put him on VHS.

I mean, a monkey would have thought of that. Yeah. Yeah, there's certainly ideas, but then there's, you know. It's a new technology, and he benefit from it. Right. The other thing is the numbers are so large in these companies now that, and I think this is ridiculous. You know, you're making $50 million.

And it's just because you have nothing to do with it. It's just a massive market you're in. And so whether you were good or bad, you didn't affect the company for $50 million. Yeah, like a monkey can run Amazon right now. It's a totally disingenuous valuation of your contributions. And he deserved every penny he got. Yeah. But now to run it and keep it running, they don't deserve the same kind of money he got.

And I think that's what's really out of whack with the CEO kind of things. I agree with you 100% there. but now you flipping burgers and working in a warehouse those kind of manual and I will call menial labor jobs I did them you know I didn't I worked in high school college same yeah yeah yeah flipping burgers and in the factories sure in the summers you know and those are the jobs that make you hungry you're not supposed to be fat dumb and happy flipping burgers. Now, if that's the best you could do, God bless you. Sure. And I think the argument there is it's not, you won't be fat, dumb, and happy flipping

burgers. And I understand the incentive is like, this is a base level job that you should want to, you know, promote yourself, whether within that company or find a better paying job, but I think you're saying, oh, it's incentivizing it so you can move forward. Well, the incentive is if you don't get this job, you're going to go live outside or you're going to live in a shack. That seems like an unfair circumstance for as great of a country that we live in, that those are the circumstances you're being faced with. And then where's the ramifications? Okay, you screwed off in high school.

You didn't do anything. And, you know, there's plenty of people doing that kind of work that had better talent than, you know, like, you know, some people, that's the best they can do, and that's fine. Yeah. But having said that, that you can't give everybody a living wage because those people are limited. And if you blew your chance, I'm a pretty hardcore guy. If you blew it, and nobody parted harder than me, you can ask my friends. I mean, I went hard. That farm is, that 200-acre farm saw some shit.

But I was still there the next day and got it done. But I had plenty of friends that didn't. They parted just as hard as me, and they didn't show up the next day, and they never got anywhere. So that's their fault. It's certainly their fault, and I think the circumstances, I think we both agree that those people should get left behind. But I think they should get left behind and have to be a burger flipper for the, The rest of their life, they live in a shitty apartment, but they still have an apartment. They still can afford food, as opposed to if they get left behind and now they have to live outside.

And now they're in some tarp somewhere. Yeah, but now they want to flip burgers and be in the apartment complex in the suburbs. And to me, and it's totally fair. I just think they're out of the way for me. I want to succeed in life. I'm not worried about them regardless. I lived in Roach-encrusted apartments when I was young. Of course, you didn't think anything of it.

Sure, sure, yeah. But that's because that's the money me and my friends had to get an apartment, you know. And, you know, certain, you know, I'm a capitalist. Yeah, yeah. And part of capitalism depends on us staying hungry enough to want to keep running. And some people are hungrier than others. They're not satisfied with the house and the suburbs and the factory job. Yeah.

You know. Yeah. They want more, and that's who turns into Bezos and Musk or in between. Which in a lot of cases, they're getting big loans from family members or people that are kind of setting them up with the capital to do these things, that they're now become these kind of Goliaths. Is that what happened with Bezos? Bezos received a pretty large loan, I think, from his parents. We know the whole story with Musk's dad was a billionaire over in South Africa doing Lithium-Mine. A millionaire, but it was a well-to-do, yeah.

Splitting hairs to some effect. Well, look at Trump. His father gave him a million dollar loan back in the late 70s, early 80s. Must have been late 70s. Yeah. Because he was already on his second bankruptcy by the only 80s. Look, you've got to take some shots. Oh, that was a beauty to watch.

I'm originally from Brooklyn. Oh, sure. So you're part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I've been watching this for a long freaking time. Sure. I'm, you know, I was a government major, you know, that's why I went into sales.

Yeah. and that's what you do yeah and uh but uh it was like reading like the yanke's uh sports every every day there'd be something new with the bankruptcy and his second one it was beautiful even me you could eventually see where he had these people so much by the balls yeah they had no more No choice but to help him succeed and give him more money, which he did, and he paid him all back. But it was, you know, I don't remember the details needless to say, but he just had everybody, well, geez, if we don't fail him out, we lose $100 million. If we give him another $10 million, we get it back. He was like the original Merrill Lynch.

He was too big to fail. He was just put too much money in these fucking guys. Pretty much in the same sort of situation. Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, and, you know, I used to think he was a. douchebag. I mean, you know, and but that's, but I love the way he talks, that's New York.

Sure, sure, yeah. He says, you know, you don't like it, eh, you know? Right, right, right. And I know that turns a lot of people off in the country, but that's, don't move to New York. Yeah. You know, but you, you know, I, I just got a kick out of the guy. He was just, he was like, he was a bit of entertainment. I think we got to get back to

16 to 20 talking shit. talking shit Dom and not this fake Christian conservative guy I like 16 to 20 Don where he's just talking shit and telling reporters I mean look I'll put a bonus this way if you don't like the way he talks

move out to Shippinsburg they're a lot nicer out there yeah yeah yeah thank you this was awesome thank you so much for joining us no really there's a great conversation no it's a great conversation I think it's a conversation that a lot of people need right now honestly all right well that's the episode three great guests three bangers yeah HR. We had a woman who was over hydrated. That guy, I literally think we talked every single decade from the 60s to the 2020s now.

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