Men At Work Podcast - Noah Richardson Talks Viral Song Tangerine, Flunking Pre-Med, & New Tour!

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Matt and Kyle talk to musician Noah Richardson about how his viral hit Tangerine came to life, opening up for the Plain White T's, flunking pre-med and becoming a musician, call him out on his Instagram thirst traps, and find out how you make a song. Check out Noah's tour dates in NY, Philly, DC, and Boston: https://linktr.ee/noahriichardson#5052653720:00 - Intro1:40 - When do you become an actual musician? 4:10 - Behind the scenes of Governor Shapiro's interview7:45 - Kyle & Noah talk being tall (Matt tries too)9:50 - What it's like having fans like his music14:25 - How Noah got into music...18:00 - From flunking Pre-Med to viral music sensation23:20 - Calling out Noah Richardson's Instagram thirst traps...24:50 - Understanding fandom29:30 - What’s it like being a musician on TikTok in 2025? 31:20 - The difficulty of finding a musician's fanbase35:35 - Vito’s Special Guest Question37:32 - How did his viral hit song Tangerine happen? 41:42 - The crazy issues Noah went through48:20 - How Noah Richardson's "Gifted Kids" came together49:21 - Noah Richardson's song writing process 53:11 - Noah Richardson's song "Sally" vs. Role Model's song "Sally"58:10 - Who is Noah Richardson's song "Tangerine" about? 1:02:15 - Matt's hilarious story opening up for comedian Mark Normand1:03:43 - Noah's experience opening for the Plain White T's1:06:50 - How tough is it to be an opener? 1:11:15 - What are Noah Richardson's wildest tour stories? 1:16:50 - Check out Noah Richardson's new tour dates!About Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for a living? After that the conversation flows from there. We've talked to substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and the Governor of Literal Pennsylvania. And we'll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a furry convention, and more! Whether we like it or not, our jobs are most of our lives - might as well yap about it. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/men-at-work-podcast/id1373108039SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4XcFWt0I6gFvMotqDp5bsZ?si=2273debc08e5485dIf you want more bonus content check out Office Hours a weekly workplace advice show on Patreon that subscribers submit their questions to and we answer them: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod*If you subscribe to the Patreon consider subscribing on a desktop or website or an android device, NOT THROUGH iOS (Apple) APP. Apple takes 30% of every month you're subscribed (yea they suck). Follow Us:The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcasthttps://www.instagram.com/menatpod/Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedyhttps://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/Follow Kyle:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancbFollow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of Men at Work. I'm Kyle Pagan, as always joined by Matt Peoples. We've got a good one for you today. Do you ever want to listen to an interview with a touring musician, Billy Eilish? Name another one. Billy Elish. Billy Elish. Her brother, Billy Elish.

Anyway, if you ever want to listen to a touring musician, we got No Richardson on. Oh, yeah. Who's on Spotify with viral hits like Tangerine. Sally. Sally, which is not called that. What's it called? It's called Sally. Oh, it's called Sally.

Okay, it's called Sally. Yeah, whatever. Noah's obviously off to the corner right now as we do this intro. All right, it's a great episode. We get into the nitty, gritty of tour life. What's it like coming up in the music industry? Pure sex appeal, the entire episode. It's a banger.

It's a fun one. That's true. But in terms of the episode... We do call them out on the thirst trap. We make sure we let it... I had some burning questions that needed to get off my chest. How do you make a song? We find that out.

And what do you do on tour life? It's not that exciting. Well, you just drive a lot. Do you just drive? And that's pretty basic. and that's exactly how the Lord intended it, but more, not more importantly, but if you guys are enjoying the podcast,

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Let's get into the episode. All right. All right. All right. Too many all rights. We're here with Noah Richardson musician, touring musician. Touring musician. Not one of those fake musicians who are like,

I'm just in my mom's basement, just trying to make it out of it. I've been there. I've been there. We've graduated. That's awesome. We've graduated a little bit. Because we would interview people the Happy Hour episode down in Philadelphia. That's sticking out to me.

And we met probably like two rappers. Yeah. We were like legitimate rapper. He's like, I got a SoundCloud. It's like, well, you're not. Yeah, I got a SoundCloud too, brother. Yeah. Like once we get an advertisement on this podcast, we are legitimate podcasters.

Well, we've had it, you know, ebbs and flows a little bit. Eves and flows a little bit. But when do you become a legitimate music? musician because like everybody like Matt's in comedy and stuff so like yeah you go to an open mic some people run around and they're like I'm an open micer or no I'm a comedian sorry right is that run is that right man I don't want to steal valor no of course I'm not sure when I felt like I think when I first like put a song on Spotify I think was when I first like not like that's like the qualifier yeah like when I first like saw my name on Spotify I thought that I

I was just like, wow, I'm actually like, this is legit. What's the Spotify process like? Is it hard to get on Spotify? Yeah. Not really. Like, you can do it through, uh, yeah, so anybody can go on Spotify. Are you guys, are you guys? You guys are on Spotify?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, blood brothers. How do you do it? Do you do it? Because I'm curious if it's the same thing. Yeah, we use Spotify Connect, which is like a host for. That's what we use. Yeah.

Yeah. We use Spotify Connect, which is a, a podcasting RSN feed that distributes out to all of the podcasting networks, I think. Sure. Okay. Awesome. I had no, that sounds great. You think I just individually put the podcast on, I'd kill myself. That seems like a nightmare.

All right, cool. I feel less guilty. So we, there's like, um, there's a couple different things that, like, you can, uh, submit to, like, a distributor. Okay. That will send you to, like, all of the DSPs, which is like Spotify, Apple Music. Yeah. People in Britain or Europe use, like, Dizer and, like, all this, like, other stuff. What about, Dad Piff?

Do you remember Dad Piff? I've heard of that. I've heard of that Piff. Feel old. very old. Do you remember that Piff? Yeah, I have no close. It was one where all the, oh, I know you did. It's where, like, Little Wayne would put, like, the no ceilings mix tape or Mac Miller would put

like kids out on there, like, everybody, like, coming up. It was like SoundCloud, kind of before SoundCloud. Yeah, I was just going to say. Really? But it was like, you would, you would wait until, like, midnight. Get your feet off my beautiful white sofa. And you would wait until midnight. I'm just kidding.

That felt real. That felt real. That felt real. That felt real and then you realized how much of a bitch you were being in that moment. And now I can't fucking decide if I can put the foot back on the out of it. Meanwhile, we'll talk about datpiff. Don't care. Next topic.

Only the governor's allowed to put his dirty, dirty shoes online. Was he here? Was he in here? Not in this one. He was in the old apartment. That's crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. That's so wild. It was terrifying.

Yeah. His whole, like, Secret Service came in before he did. So they like, had to bed up. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of red tape. Oh, yeah. Cased, how, however you can case a two-bedroom studio apartment. And the entire building. He had to, like, do a full, like, whirl, world.

the exits at like how do we get out in case something it was wrong it was horrible i just think a video of like how he gets off the elevator comes to the apartment measured out a little bit yeah it got wow really yeah and and to think that some crazy guy just jumped his fence and firebond his house a week later fucking crazy

that's got him the secret that's on them dude so fucking they took more they took they had more liberties on that night than they did in my apartment my apartment was like fucking guantanamo bay for a little bit they shut that shit down quick was it the whole did they shut down the whole building no they shut down the whole building but they had everybody at an exit. They had a security guard at every exit.

Two black SUVs outside. It was awesome. That's pretty bad. He was there for like 15 minutes. In and out. That's super cool. They told us to make this all about you. It's because of your podcast.

But they told us like literally like sit down on the couch. We'll bring him in. We'll do a little bit of pleasantries and then get to get it going. We were like, can we shake his hand? And they were like, don't move when he walks in. And we're like, okay. Holy shit. So he walked in and we couldn't even like stand up and say, hey, what's up?

Yeah. Just like, hello, sir. How are you? It was very awkward. Wow. don't meet your heroes folks now we're just kidding we love you go I wonder if we can get gov to come to the show

they would shut the whole place down probably yeah you don't want to yeah you don't want to do that because like I went to Army Navy one time and like Trump was there and it was like it was cool like how you have like the Black Hawk helicopters fly over you got the president of the United States there but like you're also waiting 30 minutes in line to go through three levels

of security sure I'd rather just go through the one level security that we got to go through at Citizens Bank Park yeah so no one puts a bomb in their sandwich out they bring it in It sounds like a cheese steak promotional thing We put a bomb in this sandwich Come to Joey Nickies on Spoon Street The dumb names of these cheese steak places

Anyway back to how do we get on Spotify Yeah of course No you're good So yeah you just have a distributor You like upload the file And then you just like put lyrics In like your cover art or whatever Do you upload the lyrics manually or does it have like an auto

Like an AI detector? I think now it does But sometimes you have to do it like manually. And I would imagine some of the AI doesn't pick up. Like they might think you said one thing and you actually meant to say another thing. Like I've done that with like, uh, with like content making. Yeah. Content making. Like like captions and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I had that all the time with like TikTok. Yeah. Isn't it? It's a bait of my fucking existence. It's a bitch. We'll get. We'll get in the TikTok later. Yeah. And how you got to be a musician on TikTok down. Yes. Letting the auto captions go for like music seems scary. Like you're letting it go. If you just let it do it. You're like, I didn't say. Oh, they hit me one time on TikTok. I guess I said something that rhymes with the N-word and they put the N-word in the captions And people will see, yeah, you'll see that on the auto captions

They'll do that and they'll be like, holy fuck Like I got shit, Vito must have had a hot mic The Eagles fans were loving it All my fans loved it, dude, they were chatting You're from the Northeast So I probably have interviewed like your aunt, your uncle, your cousins, all those people Yeah, so you did actually interview my cousin.

Okay. Your entire extended family I like that. Yeah, I think I remember because like you're very hard not to miss

because like when I'm also like a fucking tall ass guy when I see another tall ass guy you know walking around like okay like I see this guy. It is funny you gotta like meet tall people. You wouldn't understand that

but when you see another tall guy yes yes you're like what's his story? Are you yeah are you usually I'm assuming like you're usually the guy who's like 100% tall

yeah yeah actually we were at the same concert on 3rd Thursday, a guy next to me was actually taller than me, and I kind of felt a little threatened. Like, he was peacock in a little bit. Yeah. But I wanted to know, but, you know, Matt Mason already went on, so I couldn't ask him his whole story and everything. So I kind of let that one go by. Oh, so you wanted to, like, get his info, be like, what's, like, what's the shoe size? Yeah. The back hurt already. Yeah, does the bat. Uh, uh, what's, uh, that's

one like your, uh, the knees, the knees. Yeah. Took a lot of good careers. Yeah. It's got a lot of careers. It almost took me, dude. I stuck the bumps on the knees. Yeah? Yeah, it's brutal. Ooh. My coach just said he's got to play through it.

Basketball. You're the tall kid. You have Osgood Slaters. The coaches have no sympathy. They're all tall guys too. Would you wrap up the little foam stuff and put it around your knees and tie it? That's what you used to do. Now my dad just called me gay and made me play.

I didn't have much of anywhere to get around it, honestly. That seems not right. It was pretty brutal. So wait, so like you don't know, like, I love that you were, that was such an innocent answer that we asked you in the beginning was like, when do you become a musician, you're like, as long as you fucking upload to Spotify, dude, you're a musician. So, like, that's when I felt it for sure. I mean, there's definitely things like incrementally along the way where I definitely started

feeling more like a musician. I got to imagine your first million streams. Yeah. Not even that. No, it wasn't even that. I would say, like, my first, that was definitely a big milestone. Yeah, that was cool. But I would say my first, like, ticketed show where then you'd have, like, people, like,

who don't know who you are. like show up yeah you know it's like really cool i think like your first ticket is show like my first show here was that milk boy sweet so south street or the one in the search not chestnut nice yeah great chicken sandwich by the way yeah love that shit milk boy great bar the nurses outside drink all the time because it's open for the nurses that work at jefferson is yeah it's right across the street yeah so you see the nurses uh that are like just getting boozeing up at six in the morning used to be holy tomato back of the day uh no no top potato is still there top tomato is down the street yeah that's a beautiful that's a beautiful that's a beautiful that's a

beautiful a sound amazing spot it's a great place um okay so the first i like that like the first time you're like all right people are actually coming out to pay for me now were you headlining there were you opening my first one i was like a it's called like a direct support so you're like the second opener okay so like when you saw me at the foundry i was like a direct support for yeah um but i would say yeah um that was it but like that was like mainly like friends and family and stuff like that but like i think one of the first times i really really felt like a musician was my first real tour last year I started off in Omaha, Nebraska. And I went out there, we did like Omaha, Des Moines, St. Paul, Chicago, and then I think we did

like Buffalo, Boston, New York, and then Philly and D.C. So many color cities. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. What was going to say, though. But like literally going out there and like playing some of my songs. and just like people knowing the words to it

and like singing it and I'm like watching their mouths move to my song and I'm like how them it's fucking crazy it's true it's honestly crazy I've always been interested and you probably know this answer

but like how did you know like to go out to Omaha like is it do you look at like where your song is your songs are most popular where your fans are like how did you pick Omaha how did you pick Buffalo how did you pick your tour last year?

I was um so I opened up for somebody so like they needed someone for that leg so like they reach out to to me and they were like hey like a lot of things are like kind of people like work with their friends you know so like it's kind of like a buddy of mine hit me up he was just i'm not trying to name drop too much whatever but it's do whatever but my buddy he opened up for um and a lot of people are just like internet friends which is cool you know you just know them from like ticot or like whatever but like they'll live in like los angeles or something but you'll be friends for like a long time without ever meeting them

um but he played drums for the opener of like Tate McCray last year. So like they got to play like MSG and like all this like cool shit. But he hit me up was like hey like this band needs like you know an opener for like their thing I was like yeah I'll be down to do it

like check it out and uh yeah so like they needed for me for Omaha to DC. So but you're an individual performer like how does it get planned out like who's going to be your background band for your songs like how does that get scheduled? So I think for like solo

musicians um you kind of get like hired guns so i guess like more so like say you're like in a nash for something like there's just like all these like guitar players who can kind of like step in and like everyone's so good he's walked to a bar you're like i need you tonight i'm gonna say yeah no please be there your bartender can probably fucking play like van helen like fucking no business you know what i was gonna say yeah like uh you kind of like have some like hired guns whatever right now i'm lucky enough i've had like a steady enough band the same guys my drummer like played on the EP that I just released so like you know we're like we're like super tight-knit it's really cool but um so these guys have to they learn your music like on the road

they'll have to learn your music kind of like in a snap like how do they figure out how to play the song yeah I mean I don't think my music's that complex but like I think being a musician a lot of the times you can just like learn how to like play shit by ear yeah you know like you can just listen to stuff and like learn how to play it what is a G what is it B what is an A kind of thing? Some people are born with like perfect pitch

Yeah So like they're born with just I have an autistic cousin That's how perfect pitch Is that right? Yeah Yeah you're born with it Or like

That's a super power You can like Learn it You know I guess Yeah I tried to do it like Because I started music like pretty late So like I tried to like

Listen to like Tones while I was sleeping To like try and teach me perfect pitch Really? Yeah It didn't work Okay I was learning that

Yeah, how late did you start? So when I was a kid, my, I guess it's like a long story, but, uh, my mom, my mom forced me to do musicals when I was a kid. All right. But like I really fucking, so my parents were divorced. So like I got two different types of like really good music taste. Okay. With my dad was like the Beatles and like Aerosmith and like all this shit. And then like with my mom was like, like, that.

What's called? Like Guns and Roses. I was like the biggest like Guns and Roses fan like when I was a kid. Yeah. I would like go as like slashes like for Halloween.

Yeah. But, wait, you did musicals as a kid in Northeast Philly? No, so I lived in Delco for a little bit. That's even worse.

That makes that make sense. We're going to cut this part. We even law biz or blah, whatever the fuck is called. Doing the nutcracker coming home, getting beat up. Were you that tall or you did you do the late Grosspert? I think I was getting, so I think I was like six foot two freshman year in high school.

All right. So no one's really going to beat up. But I was like 130 pounds soaking wet. True. So I was like a string bean motherfucker. Would you get me fun of? My friends would just be like, you're fucking lanky. Yeah.

Well, no, for the, for the musical. I'm like, dude, it's a guy who's six foot two. You definitely need you definitely got a foot. One 30 soaking wet, I understand. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so like, all right, so like, yeah, like, that's where I like learn. sing and perform and like whatever and then like I also played like football and like all this other stuff so then like I had like also like uh family members and like people find out but they're like

yeah that's like not cool for like a dude to do like you can't do that so it's kind of like okay like so that I stopped doing it but like then I like would play guitar a little bit but um my brother's also like a really really good guitar player uh-huh so we had bunk beds so like we would just be playing like pop punk covers and like all this like sort of stuff like all the time um but I stopped doing it for a long time this was maybe when i was like 10 or 11 years old i stopped doing it for a while and i was like i'd only sing like low key like in the car or in the shower whatever and people would be kind of like oh you can like kind of say i'm like okay cool yeah shut up bitch no chill no yeah what are you talk about yeah what he's talking about dude dude nah um let me tell you how i was in the nutcracker back

in six days getting a three point stance i was in the you started getting the ground now we're doing the oklahoma drill you sure about that i was in the Wizard of Oz I was in a I was one of the munchkins that's biggest monstead of all time I was in third

I was in third grade I was like maybe like four four I was asked on the line in a production of Narnia is that right I was on the line learned no words

learned no lines I was the asshole who learned no lines now this was a fifth grade play this wasn't like a musical musical if you're getting I'm sorry my bad

you have to be I mean you if being in a musical is like being on the football team. Like if someone's not picking up the slack, like you're just an asshole. Yeah. This is a fifth grade play.

And they're like, Kyle, we need you to kind of, I had really bad ADHD. Yeah. And I think they wanted to give me a part that they were like, all right, we want him to feel like he's connected to this play. And so I'm just goofing off every time we had practiced and everything. So they gave me one of the most important parts of all time. And it was just me looking off to the side being like,

what's the next line in front of the entire school. Yeah, that's the worst kid, too. Oh, man, I would have killed. But I gave a nasty rar. They still talk about that rar. Can we hear it? That's pretty good That's actually not that's good

That's a strong one That's good stuff So you got into it How old were you when you picked it back up We're getting serious I guess So I ended up So I went to Westchester My freshman year

I just like brought my guitar in the dorms Because like other people would have their guitar I'd be like I can like play guitar I'm sure that's why I just just go play with the friends I don't to pick up chicks or anything So I brought the guitar or whatever and then like I was a pre-med student

I was like on a scholarship like all this stuff yeah I was like really smart in school and yeah I had some high expectations as a child I was in like gifted programs like all that stuff

and what's called then I was gonna get kicked out of school and lose my scholarship all this shit my like sophomore year grades are drinking uh kind of both it's like kind of both I think um

what's it called I what the hell happened did they hit you with the academic discipline or whatever the hell is it was more so like I was like pre-med and like I didn't

I just was finding out I didn't love it but like inadvertently so like at the same time my freshman year because like the pre-med courses are super hard but at the same time

I had the Eagles were going to a Super Bowl so like how are you supposed to pay attention to school when the Eagles are going to that's what I mean like it started like

immediately when our my second semester or freshman year started. And 2018, the first one? That was the first one. I mean, that's... Yeah, so, like, we were just, like... Like, class was just, like...

So, like, I remember I was walking to class. I had this class called zoology. And there was a septibus that was, like, that could take you to, like, 69th Street. Yeah. And it was the morning of the Eagles parade, and I had a test.

And I was, like, it was like seven in the morning. This class was, like, eight in the morning. It was, like, first thing, whatever. And I'm, like, walking, and I'm like, do I go to this class? or do I go to the Eagles prey

I'm like I don't really I can't miss the Eagles because like I just watch fucking like four years of

Mark Sanchez yeah like I have to like get a I have to get on this bus and I go on that fucking bus and it was miserable

but I got down there I had a great time but I failed the class you skipped the exam yeah skip the exam I mean honestly it's a blessing in disguise because like

if you were to be a come a doctor one day you can't just skip out on a surgery to go to the Eagles parade. So, like, you made the right choice. Like, the universe was talking to us. Thank God that septa bus was there. Because if that said to us was there, you would have had a malpractice lawsuit and you would have never, ever amounted to anything. You also might be the first guy to fail zoology at

Westchester University. No, no, no, don't, don't get like, zoology is a hard class. It's a very hard class. Dude, they're like, like, um, I don't know. When you go to the Elmwood Zoo four days a week? This one's a draft This is a yak He brought in He was like I have a surprise for you guys

And I was like Okay what the fuck And like there would be like So like you have like this shit It was like rate my professor Yeah The greatest One of the greatest websites of all time

It really is Because of that website I actually played Basketball every Every Tuesday morning At 6th the morning With my fucking Ken professor

To try to get my grade up Sweet guys Yeah How was any good He would fucking shit talk me so bad yeah

he was rough yeah he was like he's like he's like a 50 year old man 55 year old man he was just like he would rip you up you're just trying to get

you're trying to eat out of sea and he was just like I have a wide open shot I'm just waiting for him to just come would you let him win no I'm actually really bad at basketball really

yeah I'm really bad I hate that I hate a 6'5 guy I'm wasted height for sure are we any good football I stopped playing football I ended up playing football I ended up playing

hockey. We're any good at hockey? Yeah, I was good to hockey. I was good until I started drinking every weekend in high school. So then like, then it became less, uh, I'm not making it to the NHL. We're going to, we're going to have a couple of Natty lights on the weekend. I played D3 ball and I thought the same exact thing. I was doing the same thing that my D1 friends were doing.

I was going to study hall, going to 6 a.m. lifts, doing practice, running suicides. And I'm like, I'm not going to the NBA. Yeah. I'm not spending four years at this fucking school. Yeah. Where did you go? Washington College Out in Maryland

Of course Okay Yeah Everyone knows about Powerhouse D3 Powerhouse Are you What's that near

It's like 45 minutes Outside of Baltimore Yeah So Cool I got some I got some questions about These are like

My own Interpretations Thank you What's that I like your Own interpretation Is he's a philosophy He has good questions

I have questions Just that I think about So like I just get a bunch of your stuff He has questions He thinks about Yeah I have questions I think about it

It's just a human experience If you guys If you guys are to be tall dicks you can go to some of the fuck else I'm sorry I thought we were friends here I'm sorry man don't maybe

just don't maybe take you out of the crawl space and have a podcast from there because you guys won't fit you guys leave me out of the tall guy sports conversation pissed me the fuck off dude I'm a little bit tall

six one's cool is it tall though no no yeah no no it's not six one's a solid six one is a solid height if you're on if you're on Tinder

you know that's a beat out's a great shirt my guy. Yeah, he's flaming hot. He's flaming hot. So speaking of, this kind of leads itself into my question. Speaking of flaming hot. You make stuff, you know, you make music, the focus is on music, but do you make a conscious effort to like have to act sexy?

To have to act sexy? Yeah, like, when you're, like, obviously, you're trying to put yourself out there, you're making the TikToks, everything like that to promote your music. Is there like a conscious effort to your mind to be like, be a little sexier for this take? You answer than I'm going to answer. I have no I'd like so like to look good for the

Yeah but there's a way you act There's like a Genesee qua that you have to do you follow Do you follow them? Yeah I think we follow each other I think so Yeah he's he's known a thirstrap a little bit Yeah yeah yeah I'm a little bit recently

Oh That's what I was getting nervous navigating that I'm fucking forget when I post shit Like people can see that And it's like Did I do the same thing that I forget that I was like oh fuck yeah These people do follow me

And I'm just posting shit Well I want to talk about this too so like like um i was just at the eagle's tailgate it's just like trying to do some promotion for the show like whatever i was like walking like recently now like um i just been walking around like people have actually been like oh you're newa and i'm like what the fuck that's when you that's when i knew uh when people knew who i was that's when i was like all right this is working yeah like but it's just like it breaks my brain kind of in the same thing of like um when people are singing my songs back to me i'm like oh i'm a real person yeah yeah and like

you know what i'm saying it's like I'm not just, like, posting out to the void and stuff, you know, like... You feel like you are. Yeah, but then, like, people are like, dude, I, like, listen to your stuff all the time. Yeah, I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know about you, but, like, I don't understand fandom. Like, I don't understand how you can be, like,

I'm a fan of things, but, like, I don't think I'm, I'm rabid about anything. Yeah. Like, there's nothing that I would, like... Sure. I would show my tits for it. Yeah, I kind of fully agree with that. I've thought about people who, like, get obsessed with shit,

and I just can't get, that headspace. Like I was, when we were at Matt Mason the other day, yeah, uh, people were lining up at like four o'clock in the afternoon. I could see like people had like, like, they had some drinks on the, like, when like people go in, they like leave their trash out there and stuff. There was like food, drinks and everything. I was like, I appreciate it.

I was like, that dedication is amazing. Like I would love for what they like, this to be something where people are waiting three hours before that they're like, I need to get in and see the first one in lines to see these guys. I almost feel bad. I have just never understood it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I totally get that sometimes too. I'm trying to think off the top of my head. If there's anything like... Like now at the, sorry to cut you off, but now at the Eagles have won two Super Bowls, I will honestly admit that like my fandom has kind of diminished.

Like I've seen everything I've needed to see. I also work in it, so I guess that's... I like, yeah, that's a realistic thing because I feel the same kind of way. Like, we're not... Like, I'm getting used to like, we are good. We are good.

Like, we're very good. And I grew up in... I mean, we grew up in the era where, like, they were good. Like, our parents didn't see jack fucking shit. Right. We saw four straight NSC championships. Yeah.

A Super Bowl, they lost, a 2008 NSA championship. Like, even though they didn't win, we saw, like, the peak of that. And then obviously 18, 22, last year. Yeah, so I'm, yeah. I was, like, six, I think, when we, or maybe four, five when we lost the Patriots. But, like, my last heartbreak, I think, was the Cardinals. The A.08 one?

Yeah, we should have won that one. But, like, going back to that, like, I'll be down to the lots. And you'll still have people who are, die. die hard fans and will live and die with this team. I mean, we're going through it right now with, like, A.J. Brown and all this stuff. Like, people are literally choosing sides. They're going nuts right now over. Does he want to be here?

Does he not want to be here? And I kind of, like, really appreciate that. And I think about it sometimes is because these people have just built their lives around their family, the birds, going down on Sunday, having the same seats. Maybe vet children of the vet. Now they're over at the link and everything. Yeah. So that's where I kind of like, um, july. us in a way about how much

somebody can like love something like the Eagles or love something like a musician or love something like a comedian or something like that Yeah, so It's like real life Robert De Niro Fucking What's that? Silver Linings Playbook Yeah

You know? Like that is true Yeah Like it is so ingrained like in our culture Yeah As like Philadelphia Yeah, phantom's always just been really interesting to me Yeah

It doesn't fit the people that I think That are still invested I think it sounds like you guys are like actual following fans so then you do get that kind of like cathartic release from them winning the Super Bowl. It does feel like there is a big sect of the fan base. That's like I just love being able to drink and yell on Sundays. 100%.

And that's why they really, there's no ebb and flow of their fandom, but stays pretty straight line across. They do love to say go birds, dick, head on that. They think that's fun. Yeah, that's cool for that. And they like to yell at Cowboys fans and Commander's fans and Giants fans. And you know what? More power to you. If that's how you want to do your fandom, I guess no fandom fits in a box.

Yeah, I think so. Well, I wish it was in a box. The more you know. Those are the fans that go over and then they'll be like, they watch A Sixers game. They're like, Joel and B. should be shot in the head. It's like, all right, just stay. See, they got to go.

Just stay with the Eagles. Wait, wait, my favorite is, uh, shit drives me nuts. What's it, what's it, uh, Isaiah Thomas, who is like, uh, for a frosting. For a frosty. For a frosty. Yeah, he told me, he wanted me to miss and he called me a slur because he said, I wanted a frosty. Yeah. he seems so dumbfounded

because it is like we think about like wow we are pieces of shit kind of like yeah it's he's lucky the fucking chickfilet

nuggets wasn't on the line I can't imagine what would have happened oh my god frosty's one thing chicken fillet nuggets and the fact that they they tack on to them

every time they miss more like crazy unfortunately oh did they're gonna be some worse yeah yeah yeah I think one game they got up to like 12 nugs that's crazy

12 nugs dude 12 shutting the chick fillet down the next day um So you're not going to answer whether or not you think about being sexy, I guess. Yeah. Well, I mean, he does. Jesus Christ, dude.

I guess we're just going to give up. My media training kicked in really nicely there. He does post thirst traps. Sometimes he brings out the dog. Like, you do have a really good social media presence. I will say that you're consistent with it. Thank you. And it's, I know how soul crushing it can be.

I know Maddie knows how soul crushing it could be. He's on a quest for, you've been posting a lot lately. Yeah. I know you don't love all of them. All of them are going to be wins. You know, sometimes you go. back to him and you're just like how the fuck did this get 200 200 uh views i thought this was my way yeah ticket to stardom and stuff yes you're the same way where it's like you know

i'm the same way where it's like you want to post every single day but you know it's not gonna hit and it's so soul crushing what's it like being a a musician in 2025 that you have to be on so it's me all the time all the fucking done um burnout there's definitely yeah there's a burnout for sure um i think it's a sorry sorry you're birthed right and seven night sorry guys we'll get caught

like drinking on the mic and I'll be like swallowing and I'm like oh that is the grossest sound of all time

yeah I will say there's definitely burnout I think recently I've gotten it to like the more positive side

but I think when you're still trying to find your audience and especially when you work so hard on making videos

and stuff and especially like we get into this because we want to be artists and we want to make music and stuff like that. And then it gets to the whole like, well, Bob Dylan wouldn't have made TikToks, you know, like Nirvana like wouldn't have been on TikTok. Yeah.

I don't care what I guess. Like, maybe Kurtzbo Bayne would have blown his brains out on TikTok. It's right. I would have watched that. It would have been taken down, but he would have blown his brains out on TikTok. Comment side bow on that or whatever, dude. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a joke. We said that. Kanye would have never made it because he would have had TikTok.

He would have canceled himself years before graduation would have came out. People are already repeating his talking points on TikTok a bit, so I think he's got the job coming. But yeah, being like TikTok and stuff, like, I don't know.

I mean, you said something that I liked right there, like finding your fan base. I think this is the hardest thing in the world. Very hard. Because you know it's out there. You just are like, do people not like me? Have they just not found me?

Am I good enough? Do I actually just fucking suck? Like, we've been doing this for what, a year and a half, two years in April? and we're still like you know I think we're doing a little bit better than people have done in two years

but it's still like we're not you know we're not even close to scraping where we would like to be where we would like to be and stuff I test your patience for sure yeah and you're just like you're always just like what you just want to like find somebody

who like listens to your pot or listens to your music and be like what do you want for me yeah I'll do whatever you want which kind of leads to the next question you're obviously doing promotional stuff on TikTok do you ever curate the music to like what is kind of working now at all like is there any kind of part in that while you're writing

um oh so like when i'm in the studio like you're kind of like subconsciously thinking like well this this would be good for a tic-tok a little bit you might see one of your boys blow up or someone that you fucking hate blow up and you're like damn should i be making the shit that they make right we go through that with like yeah yeah for sure for sure um yeah and that can be hard especially yeah you'll be in the studio i think i dealt with that more like the past year um because i had like the big like I had the big like viral moment with one of my yeah with that song and um I think that added a lot of pressure to yeah want to do so like that'll that'll creep in your brain yeah especially when you have like other people involved and stuff and you know it's kind of like

what's your brand like what's like this and that and I'm like like when people were first telling that to me I'm like I don't fucking know I just like fucking like making my song can I just be funny can I just make music yeah can I just like but like even that in itself kind of is like you're like being yourself you kind of like are the niche you know like yeah um which i've kind of like learn to figure out but i don't know if i'm completely answering the question no i think that makes sense it like you have to be aware of it to some extent but you realize that you have to sell yourself as yourself so i i get that that's that comes through in the music and it's like you see a lot of people definitely in your industry definitely in mattie's industry definitely in in my industry

you see people who you know that aren't authentic and it just makes your fucking blood boil and when they're being successful at not being authentic it makes me want to just jump through my my phone and just strangle them that's crazy name names let's get a couple came to mind

let's grab some headlines I understand that yeah you just you just get frustrated Gazoon tight Gazoon type Vito God bless you thank you man don't bless him too much

but yeah like I do understand because it's frustrating because like you're working so hard and then you just like see like this guy's full of shit like you know I totally get that makes me appreciate people though like behind the scenes I was I always like I like Sabrina Carpenter because didn't know she was from our area yeah she's Quakertown she started so early yeah on like on Disney Channel but like she just recently blew up in like the last two years but she's been making music since like she was like 12 12, 13, 14, doing some,

like, stupid mall tours, doing some, like, Disney tours, doing, like, stuff that, like, I didn't even know she had, like, a couple EPs and a couple

singles. She's on TV. I mean, she was on TV, don't get me wrong. Like, she did definitely, like, I mean,

she also has an aunt in Hollywood and stuff. So, yeah, I mean, could you, could you call her a NEPA baby? Sure. But, like,

I think, like, she's still, like, grinded to become, like, the world touring musician that she is now. Yeah, true.

Yeah, it still took time. Like, it wasn't just espresso. Espresso just didn't pop out. No, I totally respect. I mean, the grind being that long, I totally respect it. Yeah. But, I don't know. We've talked about Sabrina Carver more on this podcast than any two grown men she's

don't matter. Dude, I think that album was one of the best. It was so fucking good. Last year's? So fucking good, man. Awesome. I didn't get to listen to the new one that much, but. Man child rips.

Man child's, yeah. Some of the stuff I've heard. But I don't know. We're not really asking you questions. We're kind of just shouting statements at you and hoping you take them. That's fine. Yeah, I kind of forgot there was a mic in our hand half the time.

Yeah, I got to just chilled. Oh, you got a question? Oh, Vita has a question. How about that? Oh, we have a guest. Oh, sorry. So, uh, is someone phoning you from the telecom, dude? Holy fuck.

Hi, you're live with Noah Richardson. So they sent your Spotify in the group chat. I was looking at your Spotify and stuff. You said you're from Delco and then I looked up your Instagram. And I'm like, oh, okay. So what part of Delco are you from? Well, all right. So I was born in Philly.

My parents were divorced, so I lived half in Delco and half in Northeast Philly. Okay. So I'm not sure. I would claim more Northeast Philly, I would say. Okay. I think we have a lot of mutuals, actually. Do you do you from the Ridley area or? I used to go to Glen Olden School.

Like I lived in Glen Olden's school. Yeah. Down the street from me. Yeah, so like you, are you from... I'm from Ridley? Yeah. Yeah, so like Interboro and Ridley fucking hated each other. Yeah.

But I'm not part of that, so. Okay. We're cool, bro. You're down the street, though, yeah, but yeah, you're based on my neighbor. Oh, for real. Are you in McDade Boulevard? Yeah, I'm off McDade. Oh, that actually, yeah, so we're, uh, I used to talk about, you guys want to just fucking hang out?

Vito, yeah. You guys who talk about Delco? The main one question was, what part of Delco? That was the question. That was the big, bad question that you had? You would, it was more relevant earlier when we were going through his background, but right now it's kind of out the blue. You wanted to ask him, like, you just like, you know how like a rapper, you got to, like, what is it called when, like, you come into a different city, you got to take a pad. You got to check in, you got to check in.

Yeah, I should make sure. I should make sure. I should make sure. You just check in with me, cause, all right? I'll be outside. Also, I know you're behind the camera. We've got to teach you how to ask questions. When you ask questions, you just peer to people's fucking souls.

I thought you were really going to. I'm not, this is not a thirst trapping, by the way. I'm not trying to be sexually when I do this. You didn't answer the question, the question answered itself. He can't help himself. He cannot help himself. I know. I know.

Get the dog. Get the dog. I know you use the dog. It's in me. Yeah. We'll go to the soul next time. Yeah. All right.

I want to pause this real quick. I've got to turn this down. Yeah, so I was good. I was like, still be your brain. So back to Tangerine. Yes.

That's a viral hit, right? Yes. That goes crazy viral. What were the next couple weeks like? Let's go. I love that. Sorry, brother. Again, the thirst traps just write themselves, dude.

He's dripping with me here. Unbelievable. Oh, you're fine. You're sure. Yeah, just put it on the cup holder. You're gold. I just won't tell my wife. I think it was the guest.

We're still getting some... We're still getting some juice here. Some recoil still going? Well, you're sucking it crazy, dude. Give it like a slurip. Yeah, I'm out there. Pause, dude. Sorry.

Resume. I'm back, maybe. Unpause. Reson. We'll take it from the top. Get somewhere to be? No. I don't know if I honestly didn't know if you had a hard out

I just don't know I have to submit something tonight okay yeah what he had to submit before midnight hey what before midnight before midnight

you're going back to my house you're going back to school you're going back to free men I'm going back to premed um nah there's a what's called I'm submitting to perform at thon at thon Penn State oh Penn State oh sweet

yeah I didn't even know they did that awesome it's kind of like you're going back to college um all right let's take it from the top uh all right so tangerine goes viral yes what's the next couple of weeks like do you think like you think like i'm going to super startup yeah that's what i would think yeah um i think uh so it first happened um on just like a random tuesday like i had a curator uh posted it and then my spotify so i'm going crazy a curator what's that what's having

like um on ticot and stuff there'll be like music curators so like they'll be like they'll be like here's like songs I like recommend and um yeah he like posted my song like I didn't like I remember sending him something like a couple years ago and like I don't think he like checked it out but like this song had like I was consistently posting and this um had been making its rounds for like the past couple months and I think it like it caught wind to him so then like he posted it and then the posted pretty well and then um my Spotify started going crazy and I was like okay this is going last like probably like a day or two like i didn't think i wasn't trying to get my hopes up about it i was like it's going to be like a day or two whatever and um it just like got higher and higher i think i

had like around like a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand uh streams per day or something like i ended up getting like 20 some million right it's that it's almost about to be like 16 million right holy shit yeah so like when um so when you're when you're when you're when you're when you're you're going viral and that was your first big hit right yeah and it's like it's hard to classify as like a hit because like it didn't like go to radio you know like yeah but radio nowadays like who gives it shit sure yeah i guess i'm just thinking in terms of like how the movies yeah describes that would be like us being like you know what i mean like man our goal was to get on the radio yeah we're basically just doing radio four times a week at this yeah i get that though

Like, that's like the old school marker of like if I heard her. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Everything is graded by like what your parents would recognize. I don't know. If I was on rap release, release radar. What is rap? New, new music Friday. Rap cavio.

That's when I would be like, I fucking made it. Doing a freestyle podcast on sway in the morning. Love Q102, love 965, but I wouldn't give up. I mean, it would be cool to be on the radio, but I would be like, I'd rather be on like new music Friday. Anyway, thank you, Presidency for having us on. We appreciate Preston. That's a talk show. Yeah,

Wouldn't care Dude, getting on World Star Hip hop Would be so If I get on World Star Hip It's because I got my ass whooped

Well, yeah, Trots And it leads into you We go this fucking Getting on Dat-Piff If I got on Dad Piff We're back to that Piff At all

The interviews Are always cyclical True But when you were actually I want to hear this When you were going viral And like You're in the shit right now

You're like What is this kind of music Like What do people like Am I making the right music? I'm sure, are you, like, in that kind of right now? Like, when you're going viral... When that happened?

Yeah, when that happened, were you, like, in a good place or were you kind of still, like, fuck, dude, this is never going to work out. Because, like, I've been in that situation where it was like, maybe this shit isn't for me. And then you have one viral video, and you're like, I'm fucking bad, man. All right.

I'll get real, I'll get real honest. I'll get honest about this. Yeah, get honest. But we could take this out if we wanted to. If you wanted to take it out. I got you. So, um... When before the I was just coming off of a I had a gambling addiction did you yeah okay

A gambling addiction and like I never really um like gambled like that how I got caught into it was just like um um I would just see like the billboards and shit like there are billboards everywhere you know what I'm saying it was like free two hundred dollars whatever I'm like oh like this would be nice to like help pay my rent like whatever and then like took that 200 hours and then turned it into like a lot of money somehow yeah and that much you want to say i turned it into like it's your story you tell me it was 13000 12 000 that's a good return on investment playing like like off of nothing but like playing like roulette and like all that kind of shit so was it mostly like

it was mostly like tables it wasn't um yeah it wasn't parlays and shit yeah it was all like tables yeah that don't get you man i've had a couple buddies rent them the same that's what i'm saying so like i thought like because i was like uh i thought i had like a system figured out and i like was like had it together and i was like i'm fucking god yeah i'm like But, like, I didn't realize how much it snuck up on me because, like, when you win that much money in, like, such a short amount of time, it's like, I started shifting my focus away from, like, working on music and stuff like that. And it was like, oh, I could just make, like, like, I was waking up in the morning on the toilet, like, fucking playing roulette. That's the thing.

Really? It was disgusting. Say what you want about gambling and everything. Like, online gambling isn't great because, like, if I had, if there was no online online gambling, you know, no online gambling. gambling. There's so much access. I would have to go down

to Sugarhouse casino and actually like make an effort to go in there and stuff. Dude, when you get on

the fucking toilet, it's like scrolling Instagram. You could play five hands in a minute. I swear to God. Yeah, the money doesn't feel real.

Yeah, I would ruin my fucking day or have the best day of my life by like 10 a. Yeah. And it's crazy. It's really lucrative

addiction too. That's crazy. Like some dude who's like an alcoholic he gets nothing out of it. Your addiction made you 13 grand. That's crazy.

Well, that it loses you too. Sorry about that part. Well, so then, but like, I realized, like, I fucking lost all of it. Because, again, like, the money didn't feel real. Yeah. You know, but because it felt like I was, like, went in with, like, house money or whatever. You think you could always get to 26 more than you can get to zero.

Bro, it's fucked. But then it was just like, yeah, I was just like, like, playing with, like, my rent money and, like, all that shit. Just being, you know, whatever. And, um, yeah, I, like, I, like, I, so I, we had, like, a, a, a big. like a big game. I forget what it was. I think it was like Michigan versus Washington. Okay. National championship. All my friends have money on it. I put like a lot of money on it. I was like, okay, this is going to like pay. This is like my rent money. Yeah. You know? And so it did shift over to sports. It did eventually. Yeah. And then um, what's it called? Yeah. So then I

like everyone else won except for me. Did you have Washington? It's like bad. No, I bet Michigan, but I put like a spread or something like that. Oh, you got to spread a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And they, like, missed it by, like, two points. Fucking Michael Pax, Jr. Yeah, yeah, it was, like, some shit like that. And I was just like, weren't they beating them, like, beating them up and then they came back or something like that at the end? I think they missed a field.

I think Michigan, like, missed a field goal or someone missed a field goal that, like, fuck me up. And, um, but, like, that was, like, a sign of, like, you'll stop fucking doing it. Because, like, you're just playing with fire, bro. You're just like, yeah, stop fucking doing this shit, man. So once you, once you took your rent money and you put it on sports gambling and you lost, you were kind of like, all right, it's, it's over? Um, so I did that.

so I did that and immediately like started writing a song which is on like the the EP I just called it's called my turn my turn so like literally like when it I was like when is it my turn it's like literally like me like because I fucking lost the fucking you know what I'm saying

but like I was like I just want 13 grand dude but when is it my fucking turn but I fucking lost but like I lost like um what what are going to hit the 6 team like far like god damn it oh it's awesome dude my fucking probably has more legs in the caterpillar i'm fucking is there any is there any uh lyrics that people can hear like of referencing any like

gambling uh it could be little like the first lines are kind of just like um big house couple kids white picket fence now seen nowadays short seems so hard to get uh every time i get up out of that hole i get a shovel and i dig down real well it was kind of like literally like i just keep like and like i would say my gambling edition wasn't like um I don't know what it like well I think it was just like a self-destructive thing I just like was just fucking like didn't value

not to get too dark I just like didn't value myself or like you know like so I just like was doing shit that just was like fuck up my life but what's that what's that called that's called there's a there's a thing for that

it's self-destructive behavior self-destructive behavior right yeah like you think it's like you're like everything's going well I got to do something well that that's what I mean yeah I had like a good summer I was like going Well, yeah, just like... It's like, fuck, this is too easy.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a deep personality thing. Like, you're like, I'm not the guy doing this. I'm watching the guy doing this. And then that guy's fucking up stuff in my life kind of thing. I get that. Yeah. Yeah.

So at least it didn't, to my knowledge, the gambling addiction that you had, it didn't... It didn't feel like it stretched over five, six, seven, eight years to a decade now, right? No, but this was literally in a matter of like three months. And this was while Tangerine was going viral? So this, this. is before tangerine went so like this all happened and i was just kind of like uh i don't know what i'm gonna do i'm just like fucking things up right now and then um i was seen like all my friends were like getting married all my friends were like having kids and like getting houses and shit

i'm like fuck dude i'm like gamble my rent money away and then uh two weeks later tangerine went viral wow yeah changed my life that's but like that was like the sign then it was like okay buddy like you're supposed to be doing this yeah don't fuck it up like And, yeah, it's fucking... Is that what you wrote? It was the recent one that I really liked. I think I hit you up about it. You did a lot of TikToks on it,

and it had a really good refrain, I think it was. Sally, Sally? No, Sally's really good, but this one was before Sally. It was the one about, like, we're doing Coke or something like that. All my friends are growing up. All the gifted kids are stupid now. All the gifted kids are stupid now.

All the gift of kids are stupid now, yeah. That was not that. That was more... I had that line in my phone for a really long. time yeah because i remember i remember vividly going to i mean i think just like going to college and um hanging out with your friends like people you see every day like whatever and then just like all of a sudden people are like cocaine like you want to do drugs and then you're just like oh shit like people really do this like you know people you just don't expect like do it

and like so many people do it and um i had that in my phone for about five years or so and then finally found like the right place to like to use it which was that song so i want to know how a song comes together because like i don't know how musically inclined you are but i'm always just like i think i i think i understand it a lot more with rap some guy just gives some guy a beat and he just wraps over it and stuff i think it's so much more interesting with like country and rock and alternative pop like you and stuff where it's like how do you know a drum goes here or a piano goes here or a guitar or bass go here like do you write you the lyrics first or do you found the beat first and then write the lyrics it's uh it's always different

i think it's always different for me um i think originally i started just with my acoustic guitar and like voice memos on my phone um and just writing songs like kind of that way um i was also like before i wanted to do music i was like really low-key like while i was doing the pre-med stuff i was also really low-key into creative writing so like i always kind of like low-key wrote like i wanted to be a screenwriter. So, like, I always wrote, like, different ideas about, like, that kind of shit and, like, um, even, like, poems, like, stuff like that, you know, like, did you ever want to be a white rapper?

Yeah, that's really what we're getting at. No. Every kid, I just, you know, a white rapper? Mm-hmm. Me too. Not like a full white rapper. Oh, I would, like, Lincoln Park white rap. I had, like, half a Marvel notebook with lyrics growing up.

Really? Oh, did you? Do you remember any off hand? No. I think some girl broke out with me in sixth grade, and I fucking penned out my own stand. My M&M stand. I'm driving 90 on 86 right now.

You could have called some things. You dare me to drive? I'm at on Broad Street doing street interviews. Ask Kanye how he feels about the street. Okay, something like that. Just a joke. Again, a joke that I said and only I said,

and it's attributed to me in my own personality. So when you decide, like music and something like that, it's just kind of something comes, like you've had that lyric in your notes for five years. Yeah. you're just waiting for waiting for the right opportunity it's fucking crazy yeah because

like um dude i don't know like i have my phone is just literally fill i have a one note page that is filled with just like it's called titles and concepts and it's just like different types of different like titles and just like all sorts of different kinds of like fucking like uh lyrics and like all this kind of shit is just fill with that and like a lot of the time they just go to the graveyard like I just don't ever use it again but like if I feel like I hear or if I'm like playing the guitar and I hear the right riff I'm like you know what this would make sense like for this like that somehow my brain will like subconsciously grab that now I imagine you are you more writing on the notes app or you bits how do you mean like for your jokes I do the notes app I just go on

the notes app and I write just are there like full fledged out jokes or are there a couple lines here that you're like, all right, that might be a bit later on. I'll do the concept. I'll write the concept out, and then I'll try to write what would sound like a joke if I'm saying it on stage. But it's really tough to be like, like, you'll look back in your notes app. My notes app is like, who would I be more sad about dying my mom or dad? And I go back to that notes app and I'm like, what the fuck was a joke in mine?

I mean, who would you be more sad? My dad, but I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Of course, I'm kidding. Of course. So it's your mom. Yeah. My mom.

Actually, my dad's one who listened to the podcast. So dad, it would be you. he does check in he G checks me sometimes he's like you gotta chill out what do your parents think about your songs and stuff fucking I hate them dude

what's funny they hate them well I mean they're rock people I mean dude but that's the one thing I wish I was a doctor that's probably tough yeah he didn't set him up

yeah that's true I'm gonna go be a doctor I'm in the gifted program it's like oh fuck let's go dude we didn't fuck up and it's like yeah we fucked up for sure I'm gonna go

I'm gonna be an artist and torn a van yep is that like when you write the lyrics So you have songs that come out. Have you ever got any backlash from like you've written a song that's kind of about somebody or has like references to something kind of specific from your life that they could pick up on, like an X or like.

Who's Sally? Yeah, who is Sally? Sally is actually me. Oh. You fucking. You're truthful. Yeah. So, so.

So. I like Sally. Well, no, no. So it's like, all right. So, um. Also, it's got to be tough. I'm sorry to cut you off. Yeah.

It's got to be tough to have a Sally song when that one. Sally's song's going fucking final right here's the other yeah here's the other thing so like I so we recorded this EP in Connecticut um what's called we recorded this and like I had this song uh written I was so excited we were like this was probably the one that we were like really excited about it was just a lot of fun yeah it's great okay thank you um yeah just like it was just like such a fun song and like I loved like the lyrics and all that stuff and just had this vibe to it and then like I remember uh getting back home I like couldn't I was like show my girlfriend the song and she was like you're gonna fucking hate this

and I was like what and she was like look at this and like I'm a big fan of role model I'm actually a really big fan and she showed me the TikTok he's like teasing the song I'm like Jesus fucking Christ I'm like I can't like this is fucking crazy I thought because like I had such an original idea

and I'm like man like obviously like a song with a girl's name of the title is not original but like I've never heard a song called like Sally and I was like this is like gonna be like one of those things and of course that song's like absolutely gigantic while I am you know I put it out to say

Sally Ride Sally Sally, it's all she shells She sells and sells she sells me out Yeah you're in the Sally verse You're in the Sally verse You're all bringing each other up Wait what's the third

I think Sally Wright Sally ride Oh that is fuck yeah You're in the Matt Rushmore Role model doesn't say the word Sally in the song Doesn't he does Sally Yeah he literally

That's the only part of the song I've never even, I've honestly never heard the entire song. I've only seen the TikToks of him singing the hook. The cold like Minnesota? Yeah. And this is giant. It's so fucking good. Maybe he'll see this and he'll bring out.

Yeah, so that's like what kind of like in the back of my head was like maybe this will like spark something or maybe he will hate me. Yeah. Either way, it works out pretty good. So you're not going to. So you're not going to. So you're not going to. Yeah. Sure.

I would hate a few. I'm actually a big fan of his. But for clicks. it's for the career dude yeah i hear you brother i uh you're not getting off that easy what so you're so like well yeah okay all right sorry i've been dodging quite my fucking media training has been uh are you really are you getting some media training hell no okay okay all right good good good couple of miller lights this is going to get brutal dude we're gonna talk about your contract next i'm wearing him down dude i'm like a boxer and he's the

heavyweight i'm just giving him body shots on the record eye contact with the camera here's a fucking deal but now all right so he keeps going it keeps going prone he keeps going front. He'll sit up a little bit when it's a big time question. I'll be like, listen, guys. He was in a robe

literally 20 minutes ago. I just keep taking clothes. Again. Are you guys trying to seduce me? Yeah, you're doing it yourself, dude. All right, Sally. All right. What's called?

No, I've just always had this sometimes had this feeling like I needed to like run away or like be somewhere else to like achieve what I want to achieve or like run away from my problems or like whatever so I kind of like put that in the perspective if like I was a person in a relationship I guess like leaving someone

else to like go off and do better you're like trying to do relationship was it was a real relationship because it sounds like Sally was a little bit of an asshole yeah kind of calling a little bit you know when you know getting a little drunk and calling and be like we should be back together after he broke it off was she no no it's not real no it's not real well well back to maddie's question then because maddie's question was great and i stepped all over it like have you ever gotten pushback from like an ex or from like a friend or something like like that for like how do you draw on your experiences for songs how do i draw on them you're all from like real stuff yeah i would i don't think i've gotten any pushback on anything yeah i don't think

i've really like straight out dissed anybody yeah um any of your friends like hear a song like that's about me you asshole or will they one day if you blow up yeah it's gotta be worse if you actually write something nice and they think think it's about them, but it's not true. And then they go up and they look you totally different way. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm like, I think Noah wants to fuck me.

That was not about you, dude. That was, yeah, my buddy hit me up. He was like, Sally about me. It's like, this and I have been more meaning to talk to you about it. Yeah, I had these feelings for you a long time. That sounds like you can't with the cop out. Andrew, like, no, it's actually about me. It's not about you at all.

Dude, I never even thought about you once in my entire life. Yeah. But nothing. like a song blew up like tangerine's not about anybody oh yeah it is yeah yeah tangerine tangeree's about uh well all right so tangerine tangerine is one of the first like 25 songs i ever wrote that song existed on soundcloud in 2021 no shit wow yeah and then um how long was it out before it blew up we we so we redid it because people liked it on sound cloud i fucking so the what's called so during the pandemic um what's called i ended up like learning how to use

use like the computer and learn how to like produce and like a little bit. So like this is the first song I ever like produce and I wanted to make a song that was like a practice song. So like I like wrote this like song out whatever. This could be like pretty cool. So like let me it's like I watch like a YouTube tutorial to like learn how to produce. So then I followed that tutorial step by step with that song. That's not the one you hear now. The sound cloud one's pretty bad. But um people ended up liking that one and then um what's it called then we ended up redoing it. released it in 2023

so yeah I was out in 2023 it was doing pretty solid in 2023 and then what's called

yeah then it blew up in last year nice yeah that's crazy who's tangerine about

tangerine is about my now girlfriend oh sweet yeah so she damn you can't ever

break up with her I know I got so you can't no you're saying I got so many you got to write a bigger hit

I guess that's got to be like scary being an artist where it almost feels like you have to have traumatic life events all the time to have stuff to write about you have to just draw from some kind of like emotionally deep place I think that was a big thing with Nirvana is why their first album blew up so much is because they were just like

in an awful spot and then they came out with like two or second one or third one and they're like well this is what we want it was like well we're all millionaires now like what the hell are we gonna fucking talk about I think that happens with comedians all the time yeah like what's what's Gillis's next thing

going to be about he's probably like fucking like what am I going to draw on it's all it's the Kevin heartification of any kind of medium is really just the first couple specials are great then the more money he gets it's like hey you guys have been in an assin martin getting head from the hottest chick you ever seen it's like no Kevin we have it you're buying boats with dway and talk about how your checking account isn't backed up to your savings account and then it's but then you can't even like fain the other way he can't be like man I was walking down the street trying to get my snap benefits and it's like

that's also not you you have to live in this weird middle ground yeah you don't relate to like the average person anymore you're not in the trenches anymore yeah um i wrote a paper about that in college actually like do you have to like suffer to be like an artist you know do you have to like suffer to like make like a good art or something which is like you can draw from those experiences but um you don't you definitely don't have to you know so like yeah you just make good music without going through a traumatic Yeah, I would say some of my favorite music I made is what I've actually been, like, really happy. But also, like, a lot, I mean, sometimes, like, I'm writing music and I'm not even thinking about really what I'm feeling.

I'm just kind of, like, making the thing. And it's kind of, like, subconsciously kind of pouring out. And, like, I don't really know what it is until after I finish it, you know? So then I'm like, oh, that's what this is about. So. I don't want to harp on tangerine too much, but, like, did you know it was a banger when you, uh, no. Okay. No.

were you thinking of other ones that were like this is way better yeah not like way better but just has the potential to explode um like there was a song called seven minutes in heaven that we put out um like a a month before tangerine and that one that one's like my second biggest song i think but um yeah that was the one i was like yeah this is probably the one that's like gonna do it or something but that tangerine like completely surpassed it i didn't expect it all and like a lot of people, which is funny, like, a lot of people like, man, I didn't expect it to be that song. And I'm like, fuck you.

I'm like, what the fuck is it? I mean, I agree, but like, what the fuck is that? It's got to be like, when your boys found out, it's like, oh, Matt's opening up for Norman today. Like, I didn't think, I didn't know he was actually going to be this funny. Or when your boys were, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, wait, Matt's actually kind of funny.

That is cool that you open for out wrong five right now? It's always a backwards compliment. You open up for Mark Norman? Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it was sick. I, uh, we, I'll tell a quick, quick tale about it. We're in the green room and I'm just trying to find

conversation to make without being like, I love you, dude, you're so funny. I was like two years in a stand at this point. And my girlfriend at the time came in because I had a white claw and I was like, do you want a thing to drink? And he's like, no, I'm good. And then my girlfriend who was like in the audience.

Comedy. Comedy. Dude, he does it. It's really hip. It's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. And my girlfriend was in the audience, had like a bunch of the drinks with her.

So eventually, before he goes up, he's like, would you might actually give me one of those white claws? And I was like, oh my God, of course. So I text my girlfriend, I was like, get here in fucking four seconds where I'll never speak to you again. Mark needs a white claw. So my ex-girlfriend at the time, she walks into the green room and has a white claw in her hand.

He's like, who's this white bitch? And I was like, ha, Mark, yeah, you're the coolest. Okay, this is going to be a fucking fight on the way home. Great. Of course, she sits back in the audience. She was like, what the fuck was that about? And I was like, I mean, too fair. You should say, like, comedy.

You see like AI, Mark Norman? Dude, that's so funny. Yeah, I used to listen to Mark and, uh, Mark and, uh sam's podcast all the time yeah sam round's great i saw him in helium he was awesome yeah but you just opened up for the planeway t's yeah yeah so this is where i was gonna like ask you about actually with um like when you meet people when you find yourself kind of like in the same spheres as people who are like famous or like um just like in your craft you know but like how does that does that make you feel weird that you're oh yeah yeah you probably i mean like my

method is just when I first started I would just be quiet. Yeah. And I realized that there are also people too, so they're part of this weird social dynamic you're making by being quiet the whole time. So you just try to make conversation, but then like other people that are more experienced are like, don't like fanboy at all, don't. But like, I think it's, like,

to me, I've worked a ton of headliners and I'm like, oh, I love your stuff, like, oh, I love your stuff, like, I know you are, I like your stuff. You don't have to be a weird like, I never heard of you. I heard your stuff's kind of mid. I think if you have good social cues and you have good, like, and you understand, like, how to have a normal conversation with someone. and like you know when to talk

and then you know when to back off Like yeah As long as you can read it Like I mean Was that like you when you're open up For like guys of the Plain White T's Or another bands that are like pretty big? Um

Were they all just fucking assholes? No, they're great guys I only got to meet them for a little bit Yeah So like um I think in the beginning We were supposed to share the same green room Okay

Like before the show But like so it I don't know It was just surreal Because like the plain white T's Are like They were some of the first songs I ever learned on guitar

I used to slow dance at CIO dances to the Plainway Teetown. Yeah, so... What was his name? Um... What was it going to say? I totally derailed, though. That was the best joke he's heard in the years.

What was his name? No, he just wants to know what his name. His name was Sally. Sally. Sal. Sal from the Northeast. You're on with WIP. Yeah.

Sal from Ardmore. Sal from Ardmore. I wasn't going to say. All right. So you're dealing with like these. these big names that you're working. Same green room. I think it gets back to the point of like when like people recognize you on the street and like that kind of thing is like, oh, I'm really a real person. Like I just like makes you feel weird.

Like, oh, am I really like this close to this person right now? Like, you know. But yeah, so we had the same, we had the same green room. But like, I think we were supposed to stay in there. But like I got in there and like some of the band was in there. And like it wasn't like Tom or anything, but I saw them. And I was like, oh yeah, we like supposed to be in there or whatever. And, I kind of chicken out and like left that would be that would be you

that would be 100% I told him the chariot small story because I was just like yeah I was just like

okay yeah I'm just gonna get out of here did you tell them hey I'm one of the openers or you just were like I didn't say well they saw me like

so I was like setting up like my merge and like all this stuff so maybe they didn't know like exactly who I was but um they were like I was setting up my merch and stuff

and like they're just like sound checking right behind me and I was just like like playing like like hey there they're doing all I'm like I'm like, holy fuck. I'm like, you're right here.

You're the guy who fucking wrote and sang, Hey, there, Delilah, right behind you. Yeah. That's crazy. Setting up your merch and your merch is just plain white T's. That one was right in front of me. That's crazy. Oh, man.

So when you do open for bands like that and everything, and you obviously know that, like, people are coming to the show for the plain white T's, how tough is it to, like, kind of like, I watched it with Matt Mason, you know, I didn't know the guy who opened up for him. I know, Joe. you know Joe like I didn't I didn't know who he was I came for obviously Matt Mason and and you know do you kind of just grit your teeth and know that like a lot of these people

might not know who you are so you're just going to play your four or five songs and get the fuck out how do you kind of do it um I think uh what's called I mean like not like greet my like you know I'm here to serve a purpose um it's not about me it's about the crowd like that's how it's about the crowd I'm trying to make sure they have a good time I'm trying to warn with the audience for whoever the opener is. And also trying to win them over. You know, so, like, playing my songs, whatever. But a good portion of people did know who I was.

Sweet. Okay. So that's what was crazy. Again, it's, like, I'm playing, like, some of my songs. And, like, I'm just watching people. Like, I don't know, like, sing it. And I'm like, this is fuck crazy. That's so sick, yeah.

Yeah. It's funny you, sorry. It's funny. It's funny you say that, like, you're trying to win them over. because I have a loose understanding of what you do but like I feel like you're not supposed to win people over if you're featuring or opening like you're not supposed to get too hot right for a for a headliner it seems like we're in a similar vein where it's like you are there like you said to serve a purpose but there is a small part of you it's like hey I'm pretty good too like I want like I'm going to do my thing I'm not going to hold back but you understand that they are there for the plain white T's and you're part of their performance so you're kind of juggling that back and forth yeah like you don't want to do want to just it's weird though because the whole thing is like the best way you can serve that purpose is to do as well as humanly possible in your thing like you're not going to steal the thunder from the main act ever unless you're just I don't know I feel like I mean if like I don't know

there's some I think more in your I think more in your profession than in his profession because I think like I think music you need to know the lyrics I think to enjoy it you need to know the song like you can be like oh that's a pretty good song but I can't sing to it and stuff unless you're like doing some fucking some some mosh pit fucking music or something like that but i feel like if comedians like people are able to recognize what's funny and able to be like i can relate to that and i can and i can think that's so much more hilarious that like i'm surprised that like some headliners might not just be like if you went too hot and you had the crowd like going nuts that they would be like all right dude relax on that you're kind of show you're

kind of showing me up a little bit well that's like i wonder if this is like similar music and comedy a lot of times when you're opening for the main act they try to make you weirdly enough they try to make you dissimilar from the main act so that every act going up before the the main guy is a different vibe because like so I open for Todd Barry forever ago and he does a lot of crowd work and I do a lot of crowd work in my set yeah and before I got on stage they were like don't do any crowd work Todd's doing crowd work like do you get any of that in music where they're a little conscious of if you sound like you have a similar vibe like are you supposed to match up to the main

act or it should it be a little different I think for the most part, you are. Yeah. I would say, yeah, if you're going on a tour, because also say, like, you're the headliner, like, on a tour, you want to have, you want to have, um, what's it called? Somebody who's in your same genre, the same vibe to bring the same type of, like, fans, I guess, over to the show.

Yeah, you can't go death metal with country. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, those people. It makes Indian and French. That'd be sick, dude. If you did reggae before the... Yeah. Wai-Wan, my name Noah Richardson.

We got Big Bang our Sally girl. No, Waman, not. Media training kicking in. Everyone's like, holy shit, this is awesome. It's like, play Delilah and get the fuck off the stage. We want Waguayn-N-Ritchardson back here. My girl, Sally, don't sell seashell, sit down, sell me out. Real bad girl.

Okay. I'm kind of like Chet Hanks. Yeah, dude. Well, he's actually, he's our podcasting God.

Yeah, we hope the one day be Chad Hanks. The ghost, oh, that ass? Chad Hanks? Is that your North Star? Chet Hanks?

Once we get Chet Hanks on the pod, we got to, we got to, that's when the pod ends. We see the final episode. Okay. Nice.

Yeah. Well, so now you've had these great fucking gigs, Plain White T's opening for big names doing your own tour.

Give us some of the hell gigs. Give us some brutal ones where you're just like, what am I doing here? What's happening Holy fuck Let me think Let me think

Let me try and fucking put the media training This is my job You remember I have a quick question Did you do a show In Cape May In the past like five Like around

Mother's Day Yes Okay I think I saw you Yeah I was there Yeah I thought that I kind of recognized

Yes Yeah I was definitely hung over Yeah It was like 10 in the morning I felt bad for you did Yeah

I was hung over I'd play for four hours Four hours Yeah That was fun Those are all Now, is that an eat-shit gig, or is that a gig that you're, like, yearning for? Or is that, like, you have, like, Matt will perform in a shoe store.

Sure, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I don't want to say that's an neat shit gig, but, like, uh, it makes the show I ran. It makes me laugh. Is it full locker or? No, it was worst. It's just. Worse and snipes? Yeah, vintage.

It's just two Puerto Ricans. Is that one right? Or is it, uh, no. No, I was hoping to get snipe during the show. It was a nightmare. Is Maudels coming back, by the way? Fuck now, dude. This is the part of the guys.

I miss Mose, man. You got to go to Mose. Dude, I used to get my hockey stakes there. Yeah. Great place, man. Anyway. But yeah, give us some hells. Give us some tour.

Some hell to... Hell fucking... Oh, dude, this is so funny. I don't know if I can't talk about this, but I will. Well, talk about it and then we can cut it if you want to cut it. Okay. This is at the end of the opportunity. I'm just trying to keep everyone anonymous.

Keep them anonymous. But we're also an hour and 15 in. The chances that 30% of the podcast is going to get to this. is amazing okay oh so it's all right yeah uh let me let me think here uh so um i played in uh this location and um what's it called during my set there was this like lady who was uh just like screaming like the whole time she was just like every like yeah like just screaming the whole time not like after a little bit i was like she's like riled up whatever but then like she just kept doing it like non-stop for like 30 minutes and uh it's my

first time i'm like damn dude but um so do that whatever i go downstairs like one of the other openers he had to like go get something off the stage like i come up with him whatever and um the headliner will kind of like shout out like the openers like before the um that's her now Someone's breaking in my car. But now the headliner will kind of shout out, like, the opener, like, before this, or during the set, you know, kind of give their props. And what's it called? The other opener, like, walked up to, like, get the things to hear he was right there

as he was, he was, the headliner was saying, like, giving us props and whatever. And the lady's just like, I'll suck your fucking dick right now. As you're getting your props. It wasn't me. It was my buddy. So I'm like sitting out. I'm like, just sitting there. And like, you got groupies. I was just sitting there.

I was like, holy folly. She just screamed that in the middle of his fucking bar. And, um. That was my mom. That was my mom and Kate May on Mother's Day. Mom, stop. Mom, stop. Please.

This is actually what I'm talking about. Yeah. I just, I wanted it. That's why I was. He's protecting me. Sorry, man. You were in the bathroom. She was.

I'm not anxious, man. Sorry. I'm just kidding. But, uh, what's called? Yeah, so then after the show I got out in like meat or whatever I was like hey you know I really love your energy

And like all this stuff She's like yeah This is my husband And I was like Of course Every time Every time It's so much to unpack right now

But hey Whatever close your boat You do what you gotta do Do you guys travel by like a lot By like car And stuff Van and stuff It's like old school

Because I always think of like You guys on tour I always think of you guys Of you guys of like I always think like old school Guys that have van For this tour I'm getting a van I'm getting a van

I'm getting a van I'm getting a band Nice So some, like, fucking... What's it like on tour? What's it, uh, how do you guys pass the time? What do you guys do? Anything fun?

Driving is probably the main thing. Yeah, well, I assume so. Like, what do you do when you're not behind the wheel? Literally, that's, um... So it's literally kind of just like, uh... Okay, so, uh, get to the venue, load in, um, sound check. Um, then pass the time between sound check, whatever, maybe get some to eat, like, whatever, set up your merch, like, blah, blah, blah.

and then you um you know hang out with the show play your set sell your merch you know hang out with the fans all that stuff

get done maybe you packed up like midnight straight to the hotel straight to bed get up immediately go wow yeah

sometimes you guys have to go through the night and sleep in the car sometimes yeah you're just gonna make sure um yeah sometimes you do if you have a driver

Like, I think that's easier, but I'm not at that point yet, you know. Normally it's like me, like a lot of the tours I've done have just been like solo acoustic. So, like it's me, like plain white teeth I drove out there by myself. Yeah. Where was that at? Missouri. So I drove like 16 hours. Nice.

Yeah. Not straight, but, yeah. Plain White T's call. Flame white T's call, you answer. 100%. You answer the call. 100%. A lot of calls.

It was cool. You answer. I was in chief territory. Found her. Yeah, there she is. So where you shout the tour out? You're going on tour, I think, starting Tuesday, right? Or next week?

18th? In like two weeks? Less than two weeks we're going, yeah, yeah. November 18th, we're going to New York City at Mercury Lounge. This is my first headlining tour. Yeah, shout out of. So, yeah, fucking I'm excited. First headlining tour playing in New York City.

Then we're playing in Boston, November 19th at City Winery. November 20th, we're playing Underground Arts in Philly. that's going to be an exciting show well they all are but yeah with the delco and northeast coming together it might be too much

for the underground arts yeah it might fucking dude might be like the outsider what's this fucking shit on the wall I was gonna say it's been the weirdest the weirdest mix of like fish town girls

of like 55 year old northeast philly people did yeah he sounds pretty fucking good up there I'm not gonna lie yeah he plays Springsteen dude yeah free bird

I might to go out with the mic I might to come to the underground arts and ask some eagles questions before the gig let's get your guys in the line I'm not trying ESP is a rumor

to be at the show ESP is a rumor to be at the show you should you should bring up on stage and you can just if you guys need an opener it's just him

talking about the AJ Brown trade if he was actually called it the trade that line or not yeah he's gonna hit like a tweet the next day it's like give me no

at Richardson over Edge Shearing every day of the week that's like that's true you don't want to be in that tweet that's gonna say oh my God yeah

the Edge Sharon fans will attack no no just because I mean he had he had Noah Von Leigh over Joel Embed. And he had Ace Bailey over VJ. Edgecom. Yeah, you can make sure he deletes that.

Yeah. Go see No on tour, dude. We're going to link all your stuff at the bottom so they can see where to come see you. Yeah. And if any A&R executives are listening to this, I heard you're in a contract here. You want to say anything to them? I don't know what they're talking about. That's another question.

Hell yeah, dude. That's what we call a joke in the podcast game. That's a franchise tag. He loves his representation right now. He said it. You want to say it? I don't have any representation. Ooh.

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