Men At Work Podcast - The Most BIZARRE Guests We Found at the Oddities Expo!

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Kyle and Matt are at the New Jersey Oddities Expo presented by Darkside NJ to talk to the most bizarre guests we can find! We talk to a bondage entrepreneur who tells us all the behind the scenes of the bondage scene, the deviance, what hotel chain it goes in, and the industry that loves it. There's a chance you work with someone. We then talk to a Warehouse Manager who has some thoughts on Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul. We finish with a goth barista and goth nanny who tell us all about the culture, their dreams, and what it's like to fly with exotic piercings. 00:00 - Matt's Emo Stage 10:53 - Bondage Entrepreneur 33:20 - Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson Thoughts 38:09 - Imperial Officer Warehouse Manager 48:50 - Goth Nanny & Goth Barista #oddities #expo #odditiesandcuriosities Check out our sponsor Thrive Flower! Thrive sells real cannabis products outside of the medical system. They have 9 strains of flower, 6 strains of pre rolled joints, 4 strains of vapes, gummies, and lemonades. They are the first and only company offering same day cannabis delivery within Philly. Order your cannabis at https://thriveflower.com/ and it will be delivered in about an hour. Use code menatwork15 for 15% off orders. Simply choose “same day delivery” during checkout. This applies for Philly residents ONLY. About Us: The Men At Work Podcast asks one question: What do you do for work? After that the conversation flows from there. We’ve met substitute teachers, Bangladeshi t-shirt moguls, a real estate broker tight with LeBron James, and more. And we’ll record anywhere. Random sidewalks during an eclipse, a baseball game, a bar crawl, casino, and more. We like to find out what people do for a living. If you want us to come to your event email us at: [e-mail] Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/mf7YFbk15x8 If you want more bonus content from every episode check out our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/menatworkpod Follow Us: The Pod: https://www.tiktok.com/@menatpodcast https://www.instagram.com/menatpod/ Follow Matt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattpeoplescomedy https://www.instagram.com/mattpeoplescomedy/ Follow Kyle: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kylepagancb/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kylepagancb Follow Vito: https://www.instagram.com/vito_visuals/?hl=en

A three, two, one. Welcome back to another episode of Men at Work. I'm Kyle Pegg, and as always, joined by Matt Peoples. Matt, where are we today? Dude, you better bet your bottom dollar. And I mean this. We are at the New Jersey Oddities Arts and Market, brought to you by Dark Side New Jersey. The good folks at Dark Side New Jersey, they had us out here to come check out what the heck is coming up north.

I feel right at home, to be totally honest with you, dude. How so? Dude, these are my people you don't you see me now you see cool guy coiffed hair beautiful skin all that stuff back in the day dude i was i had a beautiful side swipe justin bieber the tightest jeans you may have ever seen my dad i made him buy tight jeans for me all the time and he was so upset and i would shred the gnar on a skateboard play play guitar. Wow. Dude, I was that guy. Osirises? Osirises? Osirises. I switched to Osirises after some

Etnies. The Etnies were the big dogs and then a couple kids in my neighborhood made fun of me for wearing Etnies. Really? Yeah. They made fun of me. They said, you have dumb shoes. I said, I would disagree. And then I said, hey dad, now you gotta buy me shoes. And he's like, I don't, you're not, I'm not proud of you. So here we are. Wow. I do a podcast, dude. I thought Ennies were always cool.

I thought that was the cool show. That's what I thought. Ryan Sheckler, the hottest guy of all time, used to wear them. Ryan Sheckler was a big guy. Every big skateboarder wore Ennies. But for some reason, the kids in my neighborhood, they were like, we're actually just kind of like the alt scene. I guess for sports, Jordans were always, and Nikes were always the big ones. So if you wore Adidas or if you, God, if you wore Reebok.

Yeah. Oh, a pair of Reeboks. Post Allen Iverson. Post Allen Iverson, yeah. Yeah. The Reeboks are crazy. If you wore a Stefan Marbury's, you were kind of the bro, but you knew they had maybe two games left in them.

Yeah, you were the poor kid. The Stefan Marbury's need to make a comeback. I bet you while we're here at the Otter Days convention, we're going to see some Stefan Marbury's. There should be a Stefan Marbury vendor. Wow. He should just be here trying to sell the shoes again. Damn. Wow. He should just be here trying to sell the shoes again. Damn.

What's odder than Stefan Marbury selling inflation-raised, like, now they're $32 sneakers? No one remembers how awesome the Starburys were. I never had a pair of Starburys because I wasn't a Knicks fan. Yeah. But the Starburys were really cool. I always thought they were kind of the poor kids, though, because they were always branded as, like,

hey, these are really cheap sneakers and stuff. They were probably a little bit above the Shaxx. Yeah, the Shaxx were tough. Shaxx are still pretty tough. And then the do you remember when Master P came out with his own sneakers? Master P, Lil Romeo's dad? Lil Romeo's

dad, yeah. He had the spinners in the... Oh, that's what he... Oh, I remember those, too. I knew one kid that had the spinners when we were playing CYO ball. And I remember we were sitting on the foul line, and I was like, can you do it? Can you spin for me? And he's like, don't ever ask me to spin for you. No, he loved it.

He loved it. Really? Yeah, dude. Yeah, you do want to show off the wheels every now and then. They were like cool kid Heelys. You could either have those and be sick, or you had Heelys and you got your ass kicked pretty regularly. Yeah, now Heelys. You could either have those and be sick or you had Heelys and you got your ass kicked pretty regularly. Yeah.

Now Heelys are like kind of cool. Like everyone that I see is like who Heelys out of like a supermarket. I'm just like, you are the coolest dude of all time. Dude, you should bring back Heelys for man on the street stuff. Just Heely into an interview? Yeah. You run up to people and be like, hey, what you think of that game over there? But you come up with like, you know, you're very in line as you do it.

Yeah. It's like, I wasn't gonna talk to that guy until he got on his Heelys and was like, all right, fine. Now, now that guy's kind of won me over damn stealing some guy's lady on the heel dogs she's mine now hop on you make her get like a piggyback ride to pull her away from him what is your emo face my emo face all right i was a big how far did it go it went deep dude i was my chemical romance i was panic at the disco i was those are mainstream they weren't at the time they were on mtv which was not great but But that was that was pre MTV stinking.

Then I got it. No, you got on MTV. You were mainstream. No, I was not a mainstream hipster. I was all don't ever say hipster. You know, you're you're mainstream emotional. You know, I have tight hips. Don't bring up hips around me.

Dude, I was you know what? This is what really got me. And then I became Screamo guy. You ever listen to Screamo? No. Oh, dude, you have a lot of Screamo fans here. It's very dark very dark very neutral patterns yes very spiky uh just looking at everybody else right now at the nj oddities

expo yeah i didn't realize there was this many shades of black yeah 50 shades of black dude it's uh it's an amazing place i've always enjoyed subcultures like this i like watching you at places like this because i feel like i'm a little more like I can kind of see this. But you kind of this isn't your your mojo dojo. Now, these are my people. These are my kind of people. These aren't the people I ever hung out with. These are the people that I really ever let into my inner circle.

Yeah. But I feel like I kind of am reliving my formative years a little bit where I was like you were very like, you know, when you were like 10, 11, 12 years old. That's kind of like the years that like shaped you. Yeah. Like what you got into. Yeah. Kind of like why you became the person you are in your 20s and 30s and 40s and beyond. That's right.

And I blocked these people. Yeah. Yeah, but I think deep down, guys like you always wanted to hang with them. Didn't you find them interesting? No, I used to run away from them at the fair. Really? Yeah, dude. Because I was a Catholic school kid, so we were always trained and I liked these guys.

Yeah. They were occult people. They were Satanists. They were all that. And it turns out they just like, they just didn't believe in God, which 12 years of Catholic school,

I'm right there with them now. Yeah, but that's kind of funny that like, do you think you met like 12-year-old atheists? Yeah, dude. Was that a thing? At the church fair?

They were 12? People walking around with like goth makeup on and with their chains attached to their wallets and everything? Wow. yeah dude was that a thing at the church fair they were 12 people walking around and like with like goth makeup on and with their chains attached to their wallets and everything that was yeah that was big in uh in lansdale pennsylvania we had a we had our share of goths no kidding yeah i was that's kind of funny for me because i was so scared that god might send me to hell forever that i was still emo and i felt all the satanic atheist qualities but i was still like still love the j man dude still hold it down for the J-Man. Yeah.

I was the first emo Jesus lover. They have all these new cool, hot churches. Start an emo church. Which is like Dashboard Confessional just plays? Yeah, dude. That's like how all the songs sound. They're like, we love God, don't we know? Wow.

Oblique 182. Yeah. A lot of my kids. Oh, I was. My young man. I was like... My father. God was so phenomenal.

Got Delco on that one. I'm excited. We have a couple of fun guests hopefully hopping on. There's performers. Everybody's dressed very scantily clad. It's a very sexy event too, I've noticed. Yeah. Some cosplay people.

Some cosplay people. A lot of... So what separates... I'm looking at these two over here. Definitely biker vests. Yeah. Some cosplay people, some cosplay people, a lot of. So what separates? I'm looking at these two over here. Definitely biker vests. Yeah. But doesn't definitely does not have like a chopper sitting outside. How far do you do you feel like, you know, the pagans and the Hells Angels? Do you think this is kind of like stolen valor? Yeah. Cultural appropriation. Like where does the biker start?

Yeah. And the emo screamo guy. I think that's a great question. I think it stops the minute you walk into a trader joe's you gotta you gotta come to grips with yourself and go look i'm gonna leave the vest in the car it's fine i'm gonna go pick up some organic stuff then i'll go back in the car throw on devil wears prada i put the vest back on like my guy is so interesting right now he looks a little bit like rob zombie he's got like uh how are you he's got like he's white guy with dreads and stuff, biker vest on and everything. Tattoos down the arm. He's a handsome guy, but I'm pretty sure he loves a good impossible burger. I think that's right. I think that's exactly, you know, I think that's happening a lot.

He's probably vegan. Yeah. Although vegans are kind of bad ass now. What? No, stop it. Why? You don't think so? Why? I don't know. You're doing a terrible job with the email thing already. So, but you got to support your argument. I don't really think you with the emo thing already. But you gotta support your argument. I don't really think you were an emo guy. I think you just kind of got hooked on My Chemical Romance. And you just went, I was a young boy. My father told me. Because that song rips.

That's the one song you know, dude. You gotta go listen to Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge. Every single song on there is a banger. What was it, All American Rejects, Sum 41? See, that's your wheelhouse, dude. Technically, and someone can correct us in the comments here, is Blink-182 emo? Because I feel like the emo people have tried to take Blink-182, but I also feel like the pop punk people have tried to take Blink-182,

and they have a stranglehold where they're just doing a tug-of-war on the message boards. I think they've got to be pop punk. That's got to be pop punk. But my evolution, I went into Screamo concerts. I remember this is a fun little tale for me. This is when I really tried to embrace the email. Who'd you go see? Huh? Who'd you go see? There was a band playing at the place called The Laboratory that was in Deffert.

It was right next to a Pathmark. It was just an empty karate studio that they let bands play at once a week. That's awesome. So me and my boys were like 13. We're like, we're hardcore guys, dude. Let's go. Let's find out what the deal is. Now, the one thing we heard about is that some of those concerts had skinheads oh like nazis like the bad guys yeah it's not the cool guy which apparently now

skinheads are like cool they're like oh they're just people yes i think that's all my dad's a skinhead but not either bald yeah true well i don't know the bald's have to stop trying to make bald cool bald is already cool you did it okay you win yeah bald with the beard is sick you're you were you were secure enough to cut to shave all your hair off because you couldn't grow hair anymore sure and you made bald cool and there's been enough bald action figures in the action movie stars yeah like guys stop with like uh calling them the skinhead just you're bald you're cool you're beautiful true nixeriani yeah six and l yeah yeah but that's a shot i don't know we'll get back to the nicky boy but so we go to the concert.

We walk in, and we're like, again, we are badass. We're cool guys. As soon as we walk in, it's just big, sweaty dudes and girls that are stronger than us. And then they start moshing. Familiar with moshing, dude? We thought we were cut out for it. I got hit in the tummy. And if I get hit in the tummy, I go down pretty quick.

I double over. I bend as soon as I get hit in the tum. So, guy, we're in there. We're trying to do it. I'm looking around at all my buddies, and I can see we're all equally nervous go down pretty quick. I double over. I bend as soon as I get hit in the tum. So, a guy, we're in there. We're trying to do it. I'm looking around at all my buddies, and I can see we're all equally nervous. Nobody's smiling. Nobody's singing. We're all just kind of swaying and getting pushed.

I got hit in the belly, and then somebody went by my buddy and pushed his neck forward, and he looked back and he goes, we cut a kid out. And then we went home, and his mom ordered us Little Caesars. We were like, this is probably more of our wheelhouse here, dude. So, that's what I'm saying. I tried to push it as far as I could, but then when I tried to live that life, I wasn't about that of our wheelhouse here, dude. So that's what I'm saying. I tried to push it as far as I could. But then when I tried to live that life, I wasn't about that life. I'm sorry, dude.

I think you're fake emo. I might be fake emo. It's okay. And you know what? It's way cooler than me sitting in my room watching Sunday Night Baseball and keeping score on a score book. True. Yeah, I guess we're all our own dork in a lot of ways.

But I was interested. We were talking about, like, when does the vest change? Is it stolen valor? I kind of feel the same way about, like, I rock Dickies and Carhartt, and I couldn't even unclog a drain. You have a white-collar job. I don't know how that became cool. Someone wants to come on?

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I'm Jillian. Jillian. Okay, and what do you do for a living? Do you want the boring job or do you want the fun job? Give me both. Give me the boring first. The boring one, I'm in security. Wow.

That's pretty cool. That is actually pretty cool. I mean, it's kind of lame. It's a little lame, but you know. What are you securing? Panasonic. Oh, this is pretty sweet. Like the electronics section? Yeah. Of like a Best Buy? No, in the

big building in Newark. Panasonic is in Newark. Okay, we're South Jersey and Philly boys, so I didn't know Panasonic had a spot up here. I didn't know Panasonic still, I thought they just made like camcorders back in the day. And that was the whole bag. I mean, it's like an office building. Yeah.

So it's it's it's so lame. Don't even ask it. You're just trying to keep like cut the questions. You're just trying to get a bunch of dads out. Yeah. Dads and tucked in shirts and shirts. Yeah. And they say, I have something to say to you.

Yeah. Yeah. Drunk people trying to like buy TVs. Oh, really? Yeah. A lot of homeless. A lot a homeless. Tucked inserts to their jeans. Tucked inserts, yeah. And they say, I have something to say to you. Yeah. Yeah. Drunk people trying to like buy TVs. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. A lot of homeless.

A lot of homeless. Are we not allowed to sell drunk people buying TVs because then they come back? I don't stop them. Oh. Yeah. But is that like a rule in the game? Because I mean, like, if a drunk guy wanted to buy a TV, I would feel like that would be, there'd be a lot of like the clientele of Panasonic.

Yeah. The bottom, they're the ones keeping the bottom line in. Yeah. Like, all right, we got drunk out of Chili's. Let's go buy a 16ele of Panasonic. Yeah. The bottom, they're the ones keeping the bottom line in. Yeah. Like, all right, we got drunk out of Chili's. Let's go buy a 16s Vizio. True. Blacking out and buying a TV, that's the best thing to wake up to. Like, what happened? And you look, you got a nice 65 inch

in your room. You're like, okay. Take an edible, go look at an Ultra HD TV. I got no bones about that. That'd be nice. No bones about that. No. So I see that you have the, these are the Executioner? No, this is the pandemic mask, right? Yes. Oh, that's it, that's it.

Yeah, and so, but also used for a lot of orgies. Oh, yeah. So because I'm in security... Oh, yeah, here we go. Here's the fun job. Yeah, so say what the fun job is. Sorry, we... No, that's fine because it works because security, handcuffs, orgy bird.

It's great. It all bird. It's great. It all translates. It's all perfect. I love that. Do you ever dress, do you ever put the handcuffs or the orgy bird mask on and be like, I'm not fucking with this woman at the Panasonic? Yeah. That's actually what I wear to work.

Yeah. I like that. That's my uniform. I love that. So how do you get in some, like, is it BDSM? Like, what is the proper nomenclature for what you do? Yeah. I mean, like, I'd go to church on that, you know?

I love that. Doesn't have to be, but... Yeah, maybe the father, the son, the holy shit. What is that? Yeah, do you imagine fucking fathers ripping a homily? You look over. Wait, I think that's the lady from Panasonic. That's the lady who kicked me out of Panasonic. Some dad just with his tight jeans

And tucked in a shirt Drunk as fuck Hammered again So is this That's like the second job Is you make these, sell these So what's that like? How does that go?

You get a lot of drunk people Damn dude You just That's your clientele You are just Yeah You're Moses And the drunk people just find you you lead them across the desert 40 days and 40 nights it runs in the family i love that so do

you outsource this stuff do you make this stuff yourself i make everything in my one bedroom apartment wow so is it like cutting leather and then the structure like how much how much you get like um you get a whole big side of leather. I'm not tanning it or anything. It's already done. And then I cut out everything. I punch the holes. I color it.

I tattoo the inside here. So that's legit tattooing. Yeah. So red ink. Wow. You stitch it up too? Yep. Wow.

One touch? Please. Yeah. You can wear up too? Yep. Wow. One touch. Please. Yeah. You can wear it. I would love to. You get this on your hand. Is that okay if I put it on? Yeah, hell yeah.

Okay, thank you. Your Neanderthal face. Yeah. That's crazy. So like, how does somebody find themselves in this line of work? Well, I was one of the patrons of the Lunar Fair. What's that? It's like a traveling market around New Jersey.

I know you Philadelphia people don't know anything about New Jersey. Nothing past like Deptford, we understand. Okay. So, yeah, it's a New Jersey market. And there was another leather vendor, and he took me under his wing. And then I went off from there. Hal, you're ready for church, bro. That dude's ready to listen to a gospel right now.

Here, go underneath. Is it real okay? Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah. Well, no, no, not really. Okay. How about now? Is this any better? That's better. That's really good. Yeah. Okay. Um, this is kind of cool. I feel like being in North Jersey, all the Italians, they have this much leather on their face anyway. So this is a pretty common place. And the nose to match. That's great. She's funnier than we are. Oh my God. So are you like, were you into BDSM or were you into like

kind of like leather, like fashion? Were you into like, what were you into that got you so? Definitely more the fashion. Yeah. And then you just,

you know, it just kind of spirals from there. Yeah. So this is like your gateway drug and it just goes yeah that's the way for real and then you're shoving that in your ass it's crazy yeah i've been there that actually sounds phenomenal so a lot of your customers i'm sure it's a really don't ask don't tell kind of business yeah so like especially with the paddles and stuff people will pick them up and like smack their like partner or whatever and then laugh g stuff, people will pick them up and, like, smack their, like, partner or whatever. And then laugh, giggle, whatever, and then put it down and walk away.

Yeah. So, I don't know. People are, like, weird about it, but. Yeah. I kind of like it because, like, I'm one of those people that are, like, weird about it, I would say. Like, I don't understand it. And then as we do more of these episodes, I'm kind of just like, shit, people like what they like. You know, I'm growing as a person, trying not to make fun of people for what they like

and stuff, coming to these kind of oddity festivals and everything. Yeah. I kind of think that's awesome because I think I've been in that situation where I absolutely hate my corporate job or I hate my security job with all the drunk people coming in for Panasonic. Yeah. Let me do something on the weekends that I really enjoy. Yeah.

And that's just fucking make Birdman. So how long does this take to make typically? That one probably took around like nine hours. Oh, okay. So you can... What are the margins on this thing? So like, what does this go for? That one's 200.

And then how much do you think it would cost to make? Oh, probably like... Probably like 80. That's pretty good margins. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's really good.

It's more the time, you know? Yeah, of course. Definitely. And it's just you solo? You have nobody else to kind of... My husband helps. Husband helps? Okay, gotcha.

And he helps. Hey, folks. That's good, dude. So some things don't make it to the table, I feel like. Some for personal use? Yeah, a little bit. That's fucking sick, dude. Yeah.

When you come to the expo, you find which ones you bring. We're like, is this one sticky? All right, we're not going to bring that. Yeah, right. These ones just got cleaned. Okay, nice. So when you bring friends over to the house and everything is it like do you put the stuff away or is it kind of like all this place no my mom doesn't come over anymore no that

was good yeah yeah these are like security for your mom like you can't let her in yeah it's all connected it really is that's cool all connected she leather. Try to steal a Panasonic. Yeah. So do you notice that there's any kind of like stereotypes having to do with being into this that you think are totally unfair? Or are there some that are like, all right, that kind of checks out? What do you mean? Give me an example. I think what's the BDSM community kind of like? Like, is it like... Yeah, you just think of like deviants and all that.

But I'm sure they're just regular people after it all. It's all the same. I think it's definitely changed recently because I think people are more open. Sure. So I get a lot of like 18-year-olds like trying to find themselves. Nice. Wow. So that's cool.

And I get a lot of questions like how can I do this safely? Yeah. Oh, nice. So I like kind of being a mentor for that as well. Yeah, that's cool. How many New Jersey politicians? I can't say. That's good enough answer for us.

I like that. I like that. Do you think it's kind of still like a subculture, like a secret thing like that people don't want to like talk about? Like is the Orgy community or like the BDSM community, it's still going strong, just kind of more under wraps? Definitely more under wraps. Yeah. What is the Orgy community? What is their preferred hotel chain? Like a Sheraton, a Hilton? You know, definitely the Sheraton.

Really? Definitely the Sheraton. It goes down on the Sheraton? It goes down. No kidding. What do you think it is about the Sheraton? The bathrooms. Really?

Yeah. The stalls are big. We went to a furry convention in a Sheraton now that I think about it. Yeah, okay. That kind of checks out. Yeah. Okay. Those motherfuckers were fucking.

Yeah. Shout out to our boys. We heard stories about the parties, yeah. We got invited to a couple. We couldn't make it. We were a little bummed. Oh, you couldn't make it. Yeah.

I had to get down to the shore. I was never there. I didn't fall in love with one. Not I, no. Did you have a first owner? No, no, no. We went there and just kind of had, we had like, we had no idea about what the deal was. Yeah.

So what's up? I said, we did, we did this. Yeah. Met some dogs though. Met some, met some bros. Met some. Some real dogs. Yeah.

Some real dogs. Yeah. Australian shepherds. Yeah. No, it was really cool. So like, what do you, like, what do you like outside of like this? Like, is it just work, work, grind, grind, grind? That's, like, so lame.

I know. That's so lame. I do a lot of drinking. Yeah. Panasonic. Right there with you. Well, I mean, you want to be able to understand your clientele. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. And if you can't get drunk, you're never going to understand why this guy came in and is trying to boost the TV off the wall. Drunk, weightlifting, you know. Yeah, drunk drunk weightlifting you know drunken weightlifting together yeah exclusively i hate to say you do a couple shots for the gym you feel pretty good do you really it's happened before yeah i've been there a couple times you're lifting that weight yeah and you also feel like you're the coolest person ever you look at every mirror you're like whoa is that really me then two hours later like oh my god i'm a loser i just drank for the gym i gotta get pull it together do you ever just take the chains off this and use these as straps for when you're powerlifting yeah yeah that'd be kind of

sweet i did make a belt a weightlifting belt oh yeah of course of course tell me about like the bondage community like i'm very interested because i don't know about it so we do this podcast we ask these questions right there i mean they're definitely really open yeah and i can hook you up with a lot of like different communities and everything yeah because i used to work with someone that like exclusively did harnesses got it so like sex swings and stuff wow so is that that falls into like the dominatrix kind of yeah what is do you know any dominatrix is any dominate dominate try i do yeah i do are you yourself one i know I'm not.

I'm actually kind of a bitch. Yeah. A little bit of a pussy. I mean, if you're a bitch, then we're fucking pussies. Well, we are. Yeah. Yeah. That was never in question.

Dude, I get in there. I'm like, wait, wait, we're switching up this time? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? I thought we were doing belly to belly, and then I'm going to go to bed. Yeah. Yeah.

My safe word is get off. Yeah. My safe, yeah, I do like a let's door dash. Yeah. Yeah. Trick them with food. Yeah. My safe word is get off. Yeah. My safe, yeah, I do like a let's door dash. Yeah. Yeah. Trick them with food. Yeah. So is that, is there like a certain psychology you notice about the people that you know

that are dominatrix? Is there like a certain thing to them or they're just kind of. They're just like very confident. Very confident. Very confident. Yeah. And really nice. Yeah.

Really. And really nice. Nicest people I've ever met, for real. Yeah. How do you think you got into this? Do you think think it was more of your upbringing or did your husband influence you or did a friend or something like that?

I grew up in a very Catholic household. It's always what it is. If you take away the temptation from somebody, because we were Catholic school kids too, then you're going to want to do something extreme. I went to church every Sunday. I was scared of the big guy. Oh my God.

Now you're dyeing your hair, you're shaving the sides and you've got handcuffs. an extreme church every sunday i was scared of the big guy yeah of course oh my god and now now you're dying your hair you're shaving the sides and you're i've got handcuffs getting tied up i love that come on now like jesus i love that have you told like when you told your parents not one of your mom doesn't come over anymore yeah she was like i don't want any part of that yeah whatever yeah well i mean i there's no shot that our parents understand this my mom has gone through a total renaissance as she's entered her like late 50s she's so open Whatever. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's no shot that our parents understand this. My mom has gone through a total renaissance as she's entered her late 50s. She's so open to things, it makes me nervous.

That's awesome. She would love this. I mean, I hope. I mean, I don't. She would enjoy the subculture. My mom doesn't want to. I don't know what my parents do. Okay.

They love each other. Anyway. Okay. Yes. So where does the bondage community go from here? Like for the future and stuff like is AI going to take over? Is VR going to take over? Oh my God.

I hope so. I want to fuck a robot so bad. Really? What's it about a robot? I don't just the lifeless stare. You can't get that from your husband? No. Got too much life.

Lifeless stare. Too much personality. This guy. Yeah. But just shut the fuck up. Got too much personality, this guy. Yeah, but just shut the fuck up, you know? But that'd be brutal if a robot doesn't answer your text. He's like, oh, it wasn't about my phone. It's like, you are a phone. You are the phone.

Then I kill myself. That's definitely not cheating, I feel like, right? Because it's not a human that you're fucking. Yeah, but now they are. They have their own personalities that they've made through AI. You want nothing, just a straight face, kind. In and out. I'll see you later. Okay. Wow. How many dodos do you have?

Too many. Speaking of lifeless. My goodness. But yeah, so I mean, VR is going to be, it's going to change the game. I'm actually, I'm scared of the robots. Are you? Because like, you start fucking a robot. Yeah. Oh, son, that guy goes into like overdrive. He goes into like

jack mode jack yeah and now you're just woman dead by robot dick and then you're in the paper and then you're a legend yeah she died doing what she loved yeah yeah it's true legend that's true it is not a bad way to go out what else can we talk about with you i know i can have you we can have you this is great thanks yeah when we we, sometimes we get really bad guests so that when we have good guests, we're like, just keep her on as long as we fucking can.

Truly. Truly. That's fine. Keep me away from the booth. Exactly. Right. This has to be, yeah.

So, all right. Going back to your, going back to your job, like how many conventions do you typically do? Where do you reside? Like, so I'm like in the Newark area of New Jersey.

So like kind of central, um, the season's kind of over now now but we will be back here in December okay so at least like two three a month so do you just hit um and how long would that how long would that last um like December to when I think they start back up in like March okay so you'll go from like December to March and do, like, two or three a month? Mm-hmm. And then from March to...

And then from, like, March to, like, the end of the summer. Okay, and how far do you travel? We've gone, like, all the way to, like, Albany. Yeah. So, you know. But then, like, this year's been really slow. Yeah. Why do you think that?

I think the election. That's the rumor. Oh. You'd think that people would probably want to get more of their sexual proclivities during a... Panic by the handcuffs. Yeah. Come on.

Like, if I, like... Or their outlaws. Yeah, people are just scrolling Twitter too much, watching the news too much. Don't you want, like, a sexual release? Don't you want to fuck a robot? Yeah. Oh, God, man. I can't.

That's how, that's how milquetoast I guess my sex life is because I just don't want to do a I don't want to fuck a robot they scare the fuck out of me I'm going to get

enslaved by a robot I know I am oh lucky you then hell fuck you we just keep naming fantasies we just found aliens we didn't just

found aliens they just said aliens are real I think this woman might be an alien she knows exactly what the robot technology that we're getting

in a couple years I would also fuck an alien. She knows exactly what the robot technology that we're getting in a couple years. I would also fuck an alien. You could definitely talk me into an alien. They make dildos, like alien dildos, and they'll deposit eggs in you. What? So what is that? Wait, so it's like a couple Skittles? No, like eggs.

Like legitimately... Like big silicone... I was going to say, eggs... That's insane right now. Eggs are like $4 a dozen. Yeah, true. Yeah, you might want to go resell those. There's a lot of value held in those eggs. Yeah, especially used ones, you know? Right, yeah, of course.

Yeah, of course. So, you've got a dildo, alien, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Do you press a button? Yeah, you, like, squeeze them. And then the eggs just deposit, silicone eggs just deposit in your vagina. How do you get those out? You just kind of squeeze them out. And then the eggs just deposit, silicone eggs just deposit in your vagina. How do you get those out? You just kind of squeeze them out. So you're like a hen.

Mother hen. Holy shit. Yeah. Are you like, you just like waddling over to the bathroom? You're like on the bed? I know we're getting personal. Anywhere.

Anywhere. Anywhere they land, they're landing. Yeah. What's the website? Thornbloodcreations.com creations thornbloodcreations.com i'm guessing you're like you definitely got some gothic font on the logo you know i love that i love that a rose growing around the first letter yeah i like that a sword a sword even thicker yeah sweet so where do you go from here wait what's what's the future look like uh

hopefully i get to quit my corporate job how far do you think you go from here? What's the future look like? Hopefully I get to quit my shitty corporate job one day. How far do you think you are from there, doing that? Probably maybe like three years. Oh, sweet. Realistically, three years. And how old are you? 27. Oh, yeah.

Right? My life's not over yet, right? No, not even close. I don't know. I don't know. I'm 28. It might be over. We might be fucked. I'm 31, and I'm enjoying it. Okay. It's so, not nonchalant, it's so hacky, but when people say, like, your 30s are the best, I honestly kind of believe it. Yeah, it seems like it.

30s are pretty sick. Okay. 30s are pretty sick. All right. I just seem like, yeah, towards the end of your 20s, you start to exit. I don't know if you're feeling it. I'm feeling it, too. You start to exit that constant anxiety and worry about, oh, my God, what are they saying about me?

What are they looking at me like that? The older I get, the more I'm like, I don't give a fuck at all. And I think that's what 30 is. And we're always trying to chase, like in our 20s, we're trying to chase, like we're comparing ourselves to our buddies who might have better jobs or more successful relationships or doing some other stuff. Or maybe they make better bondage equipment than we do. And your 30s, I just think it doesn't matter because you're like man he's here but he's gonna probably blow his brains out in five years or she's here but they're those fucking two are gonna get divorced you just see that like more and more when you're in your 30s and the decade like doesn't really matter because

you're not really at your 40s yet when you're like okay i probably have kids or all right i'm actually i'm staring down the uh almost the back nine yeah of uh of life and everything 30s is kind of like you know what i'm just gonna ride this i'm gonna ride this and we're gonna see where this life takes me yeah i mean literally staring down the back nine of life and everything. Thursdays are just kind of like, you know what? I'm just going to ride this. I'm going to ride this and we're going to see where this life takes me. Yeah. I mean, literally staring down the back nine. All my friends golf and I hate it. It's the worst thing of all time.

Not golf, bros. The golf thing, it makes no sense to me. Just say you want to go drink during the morning. Just go do that. That's all it is. They always say they're like, we have a tee time at seven. I'm like, this bar opens at seven. Why don't we just go there and do that?

Tee time at seven. Unbelievable. Do you do anywhere else to't we just go there and do that? Tea time at 7. Unbelievable. Do you do anywhere else to sell this stuff besides online and at conventions? Like, where's your guys, like? Yeah, no, kind of just here. Yeah. We'd love to open a store one day. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, how is the online footprint with this stuff? Terrible. Is it really? Yeah. Because it's just, like, you guys just have to, like, market, get your marketing better and everything? Yeah.

Cool. You guys on, like, you guys just have to like market get your marketing better and everything cool you guys don't like you guys on social yeah and stuff so so it's probably so crazy because like you obviously don't want to get like uh kicked off the platform because yours is might be looking on tiktok is like oh it's so crazy we had a lot of shit get taken down yeah really so there's only like three posts on yeah which is so lame Yeah. Fucking Zuck. I get Zucked all the time. Zucked and Cucked. Not good. Nuh-uh. I think that's his podcast that he's starting actually with his wife. Welcome back to Zucked and Cucked. This guy's gonna

fuck my wife this episode of that, so I'm gonna sit here. Are you into cucking? I guess you're not. No, God, no. Actually, I don't think you're the one to decide if you're into cucking or not. A lot of your clients, would they be into cooking and stuff? Yeah. Speaking of Sheraton, the cook chair is like a big thing right now on social media. We're like there's these all these profiles and everything are just dedicated to people going into a hotel room and just taking pictures of the cook chair.

Yeah, because there's always this random chair that's just sitting there. And we've all watched a lot of porn to be like, oh, yeah, it is true that it's on a hotel room or it's in like a master bedroom. And this dude's just sitting in a chair in a corner yeah and i but it hurts my feelings because i don't know if there's a psychology behind it every time i go to a hotel that's the first place i sit i like that chair i'm drawn to that i love sitting in that chair yeah i didn't break it in well not for its further use but i guess it there it's nice i don't want to go right on the bed i want to sit on the chair soak it in for a second but ever since it's going viral on social media i refuse to sit in the cuck chair.

And they always have a really nice ottoman that you can put your feet up on and everything. It's usually a pretty nice chair. It's a beautiful chair. And I'm like, fuck, dude. Someone probably got cucked on that chair or fucked on that chair, and now I can't sit in that chair. And now it's goopy. Yeah. Now it's goopy.

And you know they don't fucking clean that. They barely clean the beds. Did you hear they don't clean the... I heard they rarely clean the... Comforter? Top sheet. The comforter. Yeah.

I've heard that. So they always say, like, don't sit on the comforter. Yeah, I've heard that. So they always say, like, don't sit on the comforter because that one doesn't get as clean as much as like the sheets and everything get clean. So what am I going to do? Sit in the cuck chair. I think that might be full circle. We're going back to the cuck chair. Cuck versus comforter. All right.

Where can people find you on social media? Yeah. Thornblood Creations. Thornblood Creations. Thorn Blood Creations. Thorn Blood Creations on Instagram. And Etsy. What did you feel like when you put this on? It felt awesome. Yeah?

I felt great. Is it comfortable? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it really is. It sits on the face nice. And like I said, I have a really upsetting jutted out forehead. This was really nice. It gave me a lot of room to breathe.

Did you feel like a dominatrix in it? I felt something. I felt something different a lot of room to breathe. Yeah. Did you feel like a dominatrix in it? I felt, I felt, I felt something. I felt something different. I felt a little powerful. Yeah. Okay. He, what's the opposite of the dominatrix? Who's the one getting dominated? What do we call them? Um, Kevin from accounting. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin's. One more before we let you go. Um, who would you say, what industry do you think is probably your main clientele? Is there a certain white collar, blue collar? Definitely the office people.

Definitely the office people? Definitely the office people. And cops. Cops. They just love being in a position of power. That actually makes a lot of sense. They love it. That's crazy.

Every time they put handcuffs on somebody, they're like, you don't know how lucky you are. Dude, I wish I was you so big a hardest. Yeah true What white-collar industry would you say Such a fucking Boring life. Yeah ones and twos and zeros and three's like I could totally see yeah yeah yeah my best friend's like an accounting bro oh my god dude really oh my god buying shit and everything yeah yeah but like his job is just horrible yeah imagine yeah damn why do you think i don't know everyone's just lame you know got it everyone's just lame yeah so we're cool as fuck yeah since we don't do it yep you got lame ass clients no let's not say that our customers are phenomenal and please keep buying

buy all the time yes my words not hers yeah well thank you so much yeah this was great you were so much fun yeah thank you so much you know where to find me absolutely thorn blood creation blood creations look for the gothic print. That's right. What did you think of that? I love it, dude. That's the cool shit, but I like that I think it has to. You want to make it more mainstream so it's more accepted,

but I think something like that, all the coolness is tied up and we don't talk about this. The behind the scenes. It's the fight club. The Sheraton. Yeah. Did you watch the fight last night? Dude.

Jake and Mike, dude. What a tough watch. He is one of the greatest promoters? Dude. Jake and Mike, dude. What a tough watch. He is one of the greatest promoters of all time, Jake Paul, because he had me hook, line, and sinker again. I was excited to watch it. I saw Mike Tyson slap him in the face, and I didn't know that that was going to be the only time that Mike Tyson was even going to connect with him.

Yeah, that's a good point. That was insane. The women fight before that was awesome. Those girls were just teeing off on each other. There was some controversy. It just felt like off on each other. There was some controversy. Yeah. It just felt like old school old school boxing again.

And it was just like these two lady brawlers Puerto Rican and Irish. What else can you fucking ask for? Really just cut from the same cloth. Just different shades

of the same thing. It really is. Just love to just brawl. Just two two kinds of people that just love to brawl. Does that do anything for you too?

Ladies boxing? Does that get you going at all? No. No? No. Yeah me either, too, ladies boxing? Does that get you going at all? No. No? No. Yeah, me either, for sure. Not me either.

What gets you going about it? Well, you know, it felt like, because I watched it after I got home. I got home late last night and rewatched it. It felt like a microcosm for, like, Joe Biden's presidency. It's just an old guy getting the shit kicked out of him. And he's just got to make it to the end of the fight. And guess what? When he does it against Conor McGregor in a couple years

or he does it against someone else, I'm going to be right back in. At least we didn't have to pay for this one. At least it was on Netflix. True. But did you see Netflix? I don't know if you had it on the rewatch, but dude, the buffering and everything and the stream pixelation, terrible. Oh, my gosh.

Dude, Netflix did not come prepared for some live sports programming, which is shocking because they've done live programming before. But, man, I guess live sports is a different beast because they did a terrible job. I mean, people were just – Netflix was trending about how many people's stuff that was buffering and everything. It's like, damn, dude.

Jerry Jones was like, we're all being introduced to Netflix tonight. No way that Jerry Jones knew what Netflix was before yesterday. Yeah, no shot, dude. That's one of the only products that you can buy, and if it's shitty, they're just like, whatever. Like, if you went to a store and you bought, like, spoiled food, you could go back to the store and they would have to reimburse you. Netflix is just like, deal with it, idiot.

Yeah. It kills me. It's like you're not going to stop watching all these crime dramas and all these Hitler documentaries and all these Netflix originals and stuff, these movies and everything. Yeah, you're still going to be here. It leads me to believe that they know that that will be the fact, I don't know, all these Netflix originals and stuff, these movies and everything. Yeah, you're still going to be here. It leads me to believe that they know that that will be the fact and they kind of cheap out on whatever the streaming software they use is.

Yeah, I mean, you've got to imagine they're getting better. They're going to get better. But what's the NFL supposed to go to them on Christmas? Really? Netflix is doing a, yeah. I hate that stuff. Yeah, Netflix is doing one, I believe. I forget where it is.

And Jerry Jones yesterday was kind of like mentioning that he was like that stuff yeah netflix is doing one um i believe i forget where it is and it's and jerry uh jones yesterday was kind of like mentioning that he was like the nfl could potentially have netflix as like i think they already have a streaming partner but like as like the main streaming partner like down the line he'll be dead but like oh what it's amazon prime now right already they're on a stream amazon prime's great honestly i mean it's just it's just the hassle of getting there getting to it like getting all these different like imagine it when like you're like some old school dude who loves baseball it's like okay i gotta go to the roku channel to watch the phillies i gotta go to the peacock to watch the phillies i gotta go to apple tv to watch the phillies and i have my basic cable subscription

to watch the phillies i just feel bad for like those people i think that that's why i think it's crazy the nfl would go there most of their client base is my dad who's like matt do the volume can he do the volume on this and it's like you're gonna make him click nine buttons go to a streaming thing sign into my mom's frog's mom email dude like amazon paid 100 million dollars for the black friday game last year she's one game lord above the advertising yeah the advertisers gotta be crazy but all they did was just just promote black friday commercials by the way there's a there's a really good um conspiracy out there right now about Bezos. What's that?

About Bezos' grandfather, I think, was a part of DARPA, who basically invented the internet and everything. And that he's just a plant for Amazon. And it was just a way for the United States government to collect a bunch of data from consumers. Oh. Makes too much sense. Yeah, it does. But it sucks that they look at us and they're like, what's the number one thing

they like doing? Buying stuff. And they knew that's how they would cash in on us. And by the way, have fun with my data, dude. Yeah, seriously, what the fuck do I have to hide?

Have fun seeing how many times I Googled, is that herpes? Are you seeing on Twitter right now all the libs are leaving for blue sky? Yeah, that won't last. It threads all over again.

It's like the fifth iteration of them leaving for blue sky it's like fine all right like you can go to another social platform you're still addicted to the twitter dude yeah you love the twitter you love the scrolling you love talking you love getting your opinions out there you'll be back i'm not leaving i'm going down with the fucking shit i'm right there with you all right i dance with the one who brought you here that's what i'm saying i came up Twitter. I will die in the same casket as them. Yeah. So it's like, it's like all this.

Shut up. All right. Also calling it X. Change the name back, Elon, or I will rough you up. Damn. What's up? Take a load off. What's your first name?

Nick. Nick. And what do you do for a living? I'm actually a warehouse manager for an art store. Nice. Really? Yeah. Nice. So actually, I get this now. actually a warehouse manager for an art store. Nice. Really? Yeah. Nice.

Actually, I get this now. Yeah. You're an artsy guy. Yeah, nobody else gets it, but you get it. That's the important thing. Yeah, exactly, exactly. A warehouse manager, huh? Yeah.

So you come in wearing this to kind of scare the people below you, let them know who's really in charge? Oh, I don't need the outfit for that. Really, though? You're kind of a tyrant yourself? Oh, yeah, pretty much. I like that. Very nice. You can volunteer or be voluntold.

Dude, I saw you walking around a little bit with the staff, man. You look like you had some business. You meant some business. Well, you know, I'm not here for costume play. I'm here for costume business. Oh, what kind of custom business? Oh, yeah, I totally stole that line from the Venture Brothers. Nice, nice.

I am not that witty. Dude, you could have ran with that. I would have no ideaitty. Dude, you could have ran with that. You could have no idea. So who are you? I just do general Star Wars original character stuff. Okay, good. I was going to say Bane. That's on me.

That's on me. Everybody does that because of the mask. So you said Bane. That's a little bit like a Darth Vader, like a pseudo Darth Vader with the mask. That'll work too. Yeah. Yeah. Up to interpretation.

Yeah. I just roll with it at this point. So as a warehouse manager. Yeah. You manage the warehouse. Mm-hmm. And you do a lot of volume? I mean, again, the main thing is I pick up heavy objects and move them.

Sure. Yeah, so. What kind of art objects are you picking up and moving? Fine art stuff, you know, paints, clays, anything. That's got to be kind of nerve-wracking. Not really. Really? No.

What if you drop it? Nothing all that valuable. It's not art yet. Oh, okay. Oh, so you're more exporting it to its destination. So if someone needs like a marble block, you're like, I'm your guy. Right, right. Got it.

Is it a lot of forklift? Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, you're the middleman. Oh, God, they would never give me a forklift. No? No. Oh, man. No, I would be a danger to middleman. Oh, God, they would never give me a forklift. No? No. Oh, man. No, I would be a danger to every man, woman, and child in all of Christendom.

Why so? You don't think you can whip around a forklift? I'm not careful. I have no spatial awareness. Really? And, you know, I don't look. No disrespect, man, but you sound like the worst warehouse manager of all time. Well, it's only me in the warehouse, so it's, you know.

Oh, sweet. You can just, you can, these hills are alive with the sound of music. Oh, yeah, forks up, just spin it around. No skin off mine. So, dude, it's just, so, wait, wait, it's kind of sick to call yourself, it's kind of crazy to call yourself a manager when you're the only one who works there. But I like it. I like where your head's at.

I like where your head's at. I manage the things in the warehouse. Okay. Ah, the guys that can't talk back. Yeah, let's go with that. I mean, you're making me feel bad enough as it is. No, no, no, no, no. It's out there now.

It's out there now. Let's deal with it. No, I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. What are you moving the most? Product-wise.

It's really hard to say because we get so much stuff in. Let's just go with paint. Can't make art without it, apparently. Do they have the same kind of paint cans that they would in like a Sherwin-Williams? Or is it a different kind of paint because it's more fine acrylic? No, that's like house paint. Yeah, like the fine acrylic stuff. Nice.

Are you an artist at all yourself? Do you do anything in your free time? I used to, but I see, you know, I the fine acrylic stuff. Nice. Are you an artist at all yourself? Do you do anything in your free time? I used to, but I see, you know, I deal with that stuff all day. Right. So it's kind of like the old joke about the gynecologist and his wife wants to make money if I see one more. Yeah, okay. I like that. That's a good way to put it.

Wow. But you make the, it sounds like you put together the costume yourself. So that's kind of like the artistic kind of. Yeah, but mostly I didn't make any of this. I just bought it. I know how to put a fit together. Right. I know how to put a fit together.

I like that. I like that. What have you done before you're a warehouse manager? I actually, I was a kickboxing instructor for like 20 years. Ah, fuck. Wow. This guy's going to kick my ass. Oh, God, no.

That was. Sorry about all the jokes earlier. We were just fucking around. We were horseshoeing. Sorry about this. Ah, fuck. Wow. This guy's going to kick my ass. Oh, God, no. That was... Sorry about all the jokes earlier. We were just horsing. We were just fucking around. We were horsing. Sorry about this. That was many years and many pounds ago,

so trust me. I don't know. Something tells me you can still put that boot right to my face if you wanted to. Only if you bend down for it. Okay.

Damn. So were you... You said you were a coach? Yes. Wow. Were you ever professional or anything? Never got to the pros. Yeah. How far did you get? Semi- you were you coach? Yes. Wow. Were you ever like professional or anything? Never got to the pros. Yeah.

How far did you get? Semi pro. Competitive? Yeah. Competitive. Yeah. It's one of those with bad, you know, the timing has to be right. And it just never was right.

So the timing is in like terms of like athleticism and everything, or they're just guys stronger, faster, quicker. Like, how's it kind of like play out? Cause like we were basketball players and everything. You know, obviously it's like guys can jump higher, guys can shoot better, guys can finish better and all that. For me, my peak was right before the Ultimate Fighter broke out and blew open the whole martial arts thing.

So it was just one of those, okay, like, I end up retiring due to injuries and all that and then Ultimate Fighter comes out, gets everybody a lot of exposure

and it took off from there. Wow. Wow. Makes sense. Seems like there's a level of calm with guys like you

who know how to fight. Is that how most of the community is where like, you're kind of at peace because I could just kick somebody's ass if I need to.

Not that you ever would. And you've been even punch in the face too which i think is like i think like i've never been punched in the face oh wow i could have used and as my youth a good punch in the face a lot of people could these days because you know again being being on the receiving end of a punch in the face like if, if I went to smart-ass somebody, there's, like, this little synapse in my brain that says, will this get you punched in the face? Right. There you go. Right.

And it's not the best solution, understandably, but some people do need it. I think that's probably right. I think that's probably right. Yeah. And once you've had a taste of it, you never want to have a taste of that ever again. No, it hurts.

Yeah. Not only does it hurt, it's kind of embarrassing because, like, the time it happened to me, my eyes welled up and snot came out. So not only did I get punched, I'm like sitting there droopy and I'm like, you didn't have to do that. For me, it was the teary eyes. It's like, oh, you're going to cry now? You're going to cry? Nothing makes you feel like more of a bitch than getting teary eyes. And then if somebody asks you, you're going to cry now? It's like, yeah, well now you keep talking about it. Now I'm in pain and you make me feel bad. Yeah. Don't make fun of me.

Were there a lot of concussions or was it more just bad knees, bad legs, bad hips? Like what was the main injuries? Bad neck. It was bad neck. The concussion stuff I'm dealing with now as I get older, the whole CTE thing. Really? Now they call it CTE. Back in my day, they called it punch drunk.

Yeah. Punch drunk. bte back in my day they called it punch drunk yeah punch drunk uh so just between injuries not making money you know that sort of thing it's just you know what i can teach it and make money off of other people yeah you didn't watch the tyson jake paul fight did you no yeah uh once i stopped you know training and all that I kind of just stepped away from it. And that sort of thing, uh, to me has no appeal. It's more of a charade.

It's a farce. You didn't miss much. You know, uh, from what I'm told, the best part about it is you got to see Mike's ass at some point. Yeah, we did see Mike's ass. His ashy ass. That was wild. It was pretty sweet.

It's a nice ass. You'd be surprised. Hey, he lifts weights. It's pretty sweet. It's a nice ass. You'd be surprised. Hey, he lifts weights. It's so hilarious. Like just the entire thing, how that cameraman just did not in any way try to just shoot him from above the waist because he does the interview. Right. Kisses his son. And then all of a sudden we're just getting blasted with his ass right in the face.

And it was like, holy shit, that guy was had his jockstrap on the entire time that he was literally giving the interviews. It just makes you think, like, how many interviews have I watched where guys just go in full jockstrap or just full glory? Just daffy ducking it. It really is sad, too, because it's like he kind of embarrassed himself, so it kind of fit the anecdote of like, ah, you showed your ass. But the thing is, he's $60 million richer. Is that what the number was?

It's a big number, yeah. I don't know if they both got 60 million or they split 60 million uh but again you know for 60 million i'll show my ass yeah okay dude but yeah but i don't want iron mike to be the last thing i remember of him is his ass and him just kind of like losing his legs in the second round against a 27 year old fighter that's what kind of sucked and the shitty thing is he did in the first round he did haul off and it felt like he actually really hit him and then I feel like

he peeled back a little bit because he was like well I still want to get paid if Mike wanted to kill him Mike would have killed him I agree you see some of those training montages man he's still got the quickest hands it's you know everybody else you know would be asking me about the fight and you know like well he's 58 and I'm like he's Mike fucking Tyson yeah, you know, everybody else, you know, would be asking me about the fight and, you know, like, well, he's 58.

And I'm like, he's Mike fucking Tyson. Yeah. And, you know, everybody sucks. Jake Paul's dick is like he's a good fighter. He's actually a good trained fighter. Right. I watched him yesterday and it's just like he still looks like he's like a novice fighter out there. Like, I don't think like he forgets to put his hands up.

Sometimes his feet are still kind of unorthodox. He doesn't really like he punches off his back foot. I think more like people are like, yeah, he'ss to put his hands up sometimes. His feet are still kind of unorthodox. He doesn't really, like, he punches off his back foot, I think, more. Like, people are like, yeah, he's a good fighter. Yeah, when he's facing 58-year-old guys and washed-up UFC fighters. And that's just like, I just feel like everyone wants to get their own kind of, like, get their part of it. And hope that, like, Rosie Perez was on the commentator. She knows her shit when it comes to boxing. Really?

Yeah, don't fuck with Rosie on that. I did not know that. She knows her shit. And this to boxing really yeah don't fuck with rosie on that she knows her shit and this is not rosie o'donnell it was no it was rosie perez it was uh this guy that i don't know and it was roy jones jr roy jones jr is one of the best boxers of all time yeah i did not where the hell did she do start doing i only know from white man can't jump she goes back she goes back in the day with Mike, too. Really? So she knew him from her club days. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Okay. But, no, she is a fan. She knows what she's doing. Like I said, don't sleep on her when it comes to boxing knowledge. Yeah, that was. All right, well, there you go. Learned something new. I had no idea.

But, yeah, I do agree. Jake Paul, he fights like he's doing, like, rocky choreography. Yeah. He fights like boxing in a movie. He and his brother, great athletes. I'll give him that. Sure. Because I've seen some of what his brother does in the WWE.

Yeah, dude, he's awesome. He's a big dude. They're good athletes. Can't take that away from them. But if you put him in any serious gym, they would eat him for lunch. Yeah. I mean... And I think Jake Paul went up in weight because the Texas commission the fight and everything.

So he looked even slower with like 20 more pounds of muscle. Yeah, he did look big as hell. He shouldn't have been fighting at that weight. No. Yeah. So... Well, anything else? No, I think we kind of covered it.

This was great. Yeah. This was a lot of fun. It was cool. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Good luck moving around the pall This was great. Yeah, this was a lot of fun. It's cool. Thank you, guys. Good luck moving around the palace and everything. Yeah, keep cool. Yeah, I was actually on my way out when I was just like looking for a sneaky exit.

Yeah. So, appreciate you, man. Want to sit right there? Yes, please. And then we got one over here. Hi, how are you? What's up? Good to see you guys. Let's have a blast.

You're caked up on the earrings. Yeah. Holy shit. How are you? How are we? What's up? Good to see you guys. Let's have a blast. You're caked up on the earrings. Yeah. Holy shit. I just got my hand tattooed. That's why it's all covered. Just now? Uh, yeah, like two hours ago.

I honestly thought you were just chill as shit and it was part of the costume. No. It's pretty badass. Yeah. It's got like a Rock Lee kind of look to it from Naruto. I like that. That's why everyone's like, oh did you get in a fight? It's like, nah, it hurt really bad. It was like debilitating like i have

a lot of like all over and that was probably one of the worst ones really right on the knuckles yeah yeah like it goes over like your tendons yeah when you're like the tendons and the muscles are they always hurt right the side of the anime tattoos i got my ribs gone up damn i don't really have any leg ones, but I got some scratcher ones, and they hurt. What are scratcher ones? Scratchers, they're like...

Yeah, let her rip. Oh, sorry. Let's go. Sweet. Oh, yeah, my uncle was in prison. They used to put a staple on the top of a pencil eraser, and they used to poke you,

and that's how they do tattoos in the pen. Now, is this paint or is this makeup? It's makeup. Nice. And what do you do for a living? I am a nanny. You're a nanny? Wow.

You show up like this? No. Are you talking to the mic a little bit? My nanny kids, like, before I was a nanny, I worked at preschool, and when I would go to work in just regular clothes, they would say that I was a vampire when I would come in what's that what's a vampire attire look like like what were you wearing I just have my bangs are messed up right now but usually I have

like the bangs and I don't wear color ever yeah for any reason at all but I couldn't like I could have my tattoos out but I can't't have ripped jeans or anything like that. So I'm mostly covered. But I was allowed to wear shorts, and the parents did not like my Dracula-like tattoos because I have a lot. Oh, really? The parents complained about it? They wouldn't complain, but they would give me looks.

Yeah, they do. The old white lady, like, oh. Yeah, the Karen look. Yeah. But the kids probably loved it. They're like, this is probably so cool. Well, they don't even know. I used used to have a lip ring and they would ask me what was in my face and i would just be like it's a decorations decoration yeah what do you do i'm

like a barista kind of sweet i work at like it's like a smoke shop coffee shop damn ass place they're getting crazy in some of the coffee shops dude i know yeah we don't have anything too crazy yet but he he's got ideas what kind of ideas has he got he's like trying to do like it's fall so he's trying to do like all this hot cider stuff i'm like dude i don't know if i can like make that true because like we do this one it's like uh like an outside type thing and we have like a little booth kind of like the cat by coffee. Well, actually very similar to that. With like the water jugs and everything. And he's just trying to like get all this crazy stuff.

I'm like, dude, your truck only had so much room. Yeah. He wants to get like a crock pot and like mill his own like hot cider in it. You're like the Steve Jobs of like coffee. Yeah. He's a goddamn visionary. He's like a visionary.

I love gimmicks so much me too i'm a i'm a huge gimmick guy yeah you strike me as someone who likes the wah-wah gobbler i um well i just brought back the the caramel cream like whatever coffee it's just drip coffee but i love it so much you ever had a gobbler no you gotta try a gobbler goblers are incredible yeah you have a gobbler i haven't had it yet sandwich you got a wah-wah tattoo and no gobbler? No. You got to try a gobbler. Gobblers are incredible. You should try that. You ever had a gobbler? I haven't had it yet. Is that a sandwich? You got a Wawa tattoo and no gobbler? I've never had it.

My friend wants that Wawa tattoo. I tattooed that Wawa tattoo on him. Yeah, it looks good. Now you have the gobbler. It's basically just like Thanksgiving on a sandwich. Try that. Yeah, you got to like give up your sense of self when you eat it. You can't take yourself too seriously while you're eating a gobbler.

And you kind of exclusively have to eat it in your car alone. It's kind of one of those types of foods. That is so real, actually. Yeah. Wawa revolutionized like gas stations. Yeah, true. And then B of exclusively have to eat it in your car alone. It's kind of one of those types of foods. That is so real, actually. Wawa revolutionized, like, gas stations. Yeah, true. And then Buc-ee's came out of that. Yeah, have you ever been to Buc-ee's? Yeah.

We drove 20 hours to go to Buc-ee's, and then we immediately turned around after we got there just because we wanted to go. What are you supposed to do? I don't know. It's just like a gas station. What are those things? Like a farmer's market?

It's kind of like a farmer's market. It's like a giant farmer's market, but inside. I drank a Modelo in the parking lot. Let go and with the bucky statue so that's so you drove 20 hours because you were just very i just want to see a bucky's that was the whole time we've done everything in the entire new jersey yeah that takes about a weekend yeah yeah we saw the sign on the parkway or the turnpike that says 581 miles to bucky's and we were like wouldn't it be funny if we turned around right now and went there and we did like when you got to like hour 10 were you kind of like what the fuck yeah yeah I was like I should just get on the train the Amtrak and leave because this sucks

yeah how do you fly with that this yeah um I actually had to do this yeah I actually have a question too because I've never been on a plane oh yeah I had to do this like uh if you were if you were in 32b I would try to seek you out actually i had i have like everything i have on i didn't wear the uh the bullet belt though just because i was like worried they were gonna give me a problem with it but i know i know people who have worn it so it is doable but um they don't make you they don't make you take any of the the jewelry out but when you go like the big body scanner it'll like show where there's metal so they'll just like scan you like it's that but like all the belts and stuff

you gotta take off and it sucks god you must be a TSA knight I am TSA you have no idea how to handle it I can't handle it like if they are like okay well you can't bring that

you have to throw that away I can't fly I just cannot really like I I don't like the airport because I hate TSA because

I don't want them to make me throw out my like giant jewelry the cure insurance arena security is worse than that. Do TSA PreCheck save lives? I love TSA PreCheck. They are worse than the museum in Washington, D.C.

Oh, yeah. To get into a museum like this, that was fun. They were, like, okay with it, though. They were, like, okay. I'm sure they see way worse things trying to come into, like, the museum. The Smithsonian. Yes. They were, like, do you have a gun or a bomb?

Oh, no. Okay, you're okay. Sweet. Get in here. Yeah, like, okay, come on in. They're like, no, pussy. Get in here. Yeah.

The TSA is like, I don't know. One time I went through TSA and the guy was like a dick. He was like, oh, come on. Why'd you dress like this? I'm like, they're just my clothes, dude. Because it was like, it wasn't like a far flight. It was to Georgia. So it's like a two-hour flight. And it's at, like, at like 8 a.m like i'm getting off the plane and doing stuff i'm not

getting off the plane and going to my hotel immediately right there's they have no process they have no idea what's happening either they're just there to yell do you think you want to be a nanny forever no what's your dream um i i want to be like a mortuary makeup artist yeah that makes that checks out that's like a really saturated like over saturated market right now like everyone wants to do that everyone who's a little weird wants to do that so it's dressing up dead bodies yes like doing like reconjecting them the competition there's there's competition there wow competitive it's literally a competitive field because everyone everyone decided to have that idea to do that. So I'm going to wait it out.

Horror movies became like too mainstream and now everyone wants to do that. Everyone wants to do that. But I guess the only solution to unsaturate is like we need more people to die. We need more of a client base.

We need another pandemic. So every time you see on the news like a bunch of people died, you got to be like, sweet. Yeah. I saw this one guy post on Reddit about how he goes on vacation at places where there was just a tragedy. Yeah. He goes on a vacation where there was just a bombing or a natural disaster.

The flights are cheap. No one is there. Yeah. It's amazing. You just have the whole place to yourself. What's your dream? My dream in life? I don't know.

I wanted to be like, when I was a kid, I wanted to be like when i was a kid i wanted to be like a tattoo artist and i can't draw i can't draw at all like i can't draw i can't trace i just can't do it yeah so i went to like barber school and i realized i hated it i realized i hated everyone in it and i hated everything about it i don't know how to do it they didn't teach me so i can't do it i'm certified i have the certification right but i don't know what i'm doing yeah it's like i go to i could probably go work in a shop i like i don't know how to do this why did you hate the people in it what if they were all just like money money money money money that's all they talked about i don't really care dude hairdressers i don't know it's so like hard to pick like what do you want to do versus like what

are you actually gonna do yeah i could work it like be cool work at like uh the place like where they record the music like the recording studio you're one of the sound guys that'd be cool actually so attainable really like that's emma's boyfriend's job it's like so attainable and my other friend that's his job too it's literally like do you have to like know how to do it first actually my dream job is i want to work at the the record printing place in boredomown that'd be cool that's what i want to do so bad but i just i have no idea how to even do that just walk in there one day yeah it's like like a factory i mean you always say your dreams like you know you go work at like some store that sells whatever but then you realize yeah they're still gonna pay you like minimum wage yeah it's like yeah it'd be cool

to work there and like sell the stuff you like at the store and like a cool environment but like they're still gonna pay you 15 an hour and that's just not enough money i love monotonous tasks so much yeah you're just like standing at the cash register all day. I was sewing. I sewed my pants for like, I can't even like, like what, 40 hours this week? Yeah, something like that. Full shift.

Maybe we just want the same thing over and over and over. It was so easy. It was boring, but it was easy. You can get an upholster. I knew a couple guys

who like do upholstery. My mom was a seamstress. But I don't know how to use a sewing machine. I don't know how. I can only hand sew. I can't use a sewing machine. I don't know how. I can only hand sew. I can't use a sewing machine. I don't know how.

Yeah, but you do. You got to do. Yeah, I think you just got to do it, dude. You got to do it. Let it rip. You think we knew how to do this podcast? We still know how to do this podcast. Yeah, we're watching it.

I'm hoping it works. Who knows it's recording? Yeah, it's true. Actually, it's good. I hope it's recording. All right, cool. Were you always kind of, like, gothic? Yes.

When I was a kid, my cousin, like, she was seen, and she really wanted me to be like her, so she trained me to be like her. Yeah. She gave me music, and she gave me clothes. Never Shout Never? A lot of Never Shout Never back then? There was never a time where I was not destined to be the way I am now.

When I was a kid, my dad was really worried I'd get tattooed. Like, so worried. Was he Catholic? Were you guys Catholic? Uh, kinda. Yeah. My parents randomly converted to Christianity and were super Christian, and they took it back and were Catholic again.

Sweet, sweet. Are you pagan or occult or... Do you believe in that stuff? I'm Catholic. You are Catholic? Yeah. Okay. People think it's really weird.

No, because I think like, because with pagan and Satanists, I think Christmas is like a big, also a big holiday for them because don't they say like the Chris in Christmas is like something occult or dark? My aunt is really, really, really into it. I don't know what it is, but she celebrates it. The Yule. She celebrates the Yule. The Yule. That's what it is. Christmas.'t know what it is, but she celebrates it. The Yule. She celebrates the Yule. The Yule.

That's what it is. Christmas. It was, you know, the birth of Christ, but he wasn't actually born in December. He was born in, like, July. July, yeah. Damn, is it true? Yeah.

No, he wasn't. They had to overtake the pagan holiday from mostly the Norse and French pagans back in, like, the church rule of Europe. I did hear the Bible was changed in like the 1300s or something like that. It was. And that's where a lot of the homophobic stuff comes from. Originally the verse was

a man shall not lie with a boy the way he lies with a woman. Boy as in child. Yeah. But they're all doing that. Medieval England, they loved kids. They loved being pedophiles. It wasn't like frowned upon in the 1400s. And then King James of, I think, England changed it.

So it could be that. So he could do stuff with his cousins or whatever. I love that you just can't help yourself but talk about ancient history. It's not ancient. That's technically medieval history. He'll go toe-to-toe with this guy. Ancient medieval. It's the same course. No, medieval history. He'll go toe-to-toe with this guy. Ancient medieval. It's the same course.

No, ancient history is before the turn of BC. Okay, but when you do it at school, it's the same course. It's not, actually. These two dorks will just ancient history out. We'll throw it out over here. It's the history of autism. Let's go. I'm right there with you.

I took every history class in my high school. I exhausted the history classes. Same. They were easy. I didn't like the modern stuff. I didn't care. I school. I exhausted the history classes. Same. They were easy. I didn't like the modern stuff. I didn't care. I didn't care about the Civil War the eighth time.

You're not a World War II head at all? I know everything about World War II. You open your mouth like you're like... Okay, I like it. It's very interesting, but it's also like... The other stuff was cool too, and no one talks about it. Underappreciated. Yeah, underappreciated. Other like- Underappreciated. Yeah, underappreciated.

Like other like medieval histories underappreciated. Everyone's into World War II now. I love medieval history. Yeah, World War II's hot in the streets, man. There's so many fucking Hitler documentaries on Netflix. Like do we need any more Hitler documentaries? There's one or two. The key is finding yourself about him.

There's pictures to go with it. Yeah, that's why. There are like, there's like videos. Yeah, the Hitler stuff is way overdone because they're trying to do stuff where they're trying to like give you other bad stuff about him And it's like no we he was He was mean to his staff it's like okay, that's not really the German Shepherd don't care. Yeah, not really the issue here folks Look painting. Yeah, probably sucked. Sure. Whatever it suck. He was bad at painting painting. Yeah, dad's Jewish. So it's like okay Yeah, I got the Sure, whatever. He did suck. He was bad at painting. Terrible painting. And dad's Jewish. So I was like, okay.

I got the surface level facts. Hilariously. That's good. You wanted to be good at drawing as a kid, and then you grew up as a normal person. You didn't go that route, so that's good. Yeah, you didn't go take it over Germany. Invading Poland.

Yeah. You got anything else? My last question. The septum piercing. It fascinates me very much. Okay. What is the origin? Like, who was the first that popularized it and

then how does it like what intrigued you guys on was there like a jamie septum so um originally it was worn by like it's really old like it goes back like pre-history people like you can still see it like african and maori and south american tribes they still have septums especially gauge septums like i have a mine is bigger than hers because mine's a bigger gauge like my ears here your mic um toxic masculinity over here yeah it was um it was a sign of depending on like it was a sign of like rank in like their societies of different places or um you see like the uh african women with the giant lip plates yeah yeah those are a sign of femininity and the bigger your lip plate is in that specific area the more like beautiful you're considered wow so it's all it meant

different things all from parts of the world like you can see everywhere they had gauged ears they had lip piercings they had uh tattoos and they all kind of figured it out but they all meant different things and i think in recent times people popularized it was like the guy from like the Screamin' Mad Jayhawks because he had like the bone through his nose in the 60s. And he did the song

I Put a Spell on You. He's the original one to do that. And then like, you know, in the 60s, like the hippies and then like the punks

and the metalheads and the goths in the 70s and 80s just for like, what metal can I put in my face? Sure. And not everyone

has the right anatomy for it. If you don't have a little piece of meat, like, right here. That doesn't hurt. Pull on that? No. Nothing? Even when you get it pierced, it's probably, like, of all my piercings, it probably hurt the least.

Really? It's kind of like. Did you start with a little boy, and then you had to work your way up to. I got pierced at a 12 gauge, which is, like, pretty big. That's kind of big. Is that big? That sounds very big. But it's, like, a four now.

I tried to go to a two, but it just hurt too bad. So it gets bigger as the number gets smaller? Yeah. And then eventually you get to double zero and then it goes

to like millimeters. Okay. What would double zero be like? Double zero, my ears are too, like, too after a double zero.

Oh, okay. So like double zero's not that big. No, no. It's like a nose one. How far can you go down? You can go down into inches. Yeah. Like eventually it just gets into's not. How far can you go down? You can go down into inches.

Yeah. Like eventually it just gets into inches. Wow. And then you need them custom made. Yeah. Then you can't like go to Spencer's and buy them. And we have like custom order. Like, yeah, my septum ring is like, no, it's not.

My earrings are from Spencer's. One last question. Because you mentioned being a scene kid. I was an attempted scene kid back in the day. He was a fake scene kid. I tried my best. I was emo. Okay. even better. He said emo. He was not emo. I was emo He looked at you like the I was my chemical romance. I was I didn't like I only went mainstream

I didn't like the like the actual like whatever third way be most of I like like a fine stuff, which is Yeah, there's tons there are eras of emo every like 10 years a new one comes out so like the emo that I was is not really considered emo anymore

it's just hardcore so what would you give top 3 emo bands when you were growing up um I love AFI so much sure AFI is like

on Chemical Romance I have 2 MCR tattoos let's go and I don't know what I want to give my 3rd they're touring I know I saw I saw I have two MCR tattoos. Let's go. And I don't know what I want to give my third. They're torn. I know.

I saw. I saw. I have them on post-notifications. And the third one. Yeah. A little Panic at the Disco action. A little... I love Pretty Odd,

which is the acoustic album. That was a good one. Yeah. I love Pretty Odd. It's so beautiful. Nine in the Afternoon was on there, I think. The acoustic version, perhaps.

Is Blink-182 emo? No. They're like pop punk. Okay. All right. You're right. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on. Yeah, this was great.

This was a lot of fun. You guys were a lot of fun, man. Cheers. Have fun today. Yeah, seriously. That was fun. All right. That's the podcast.

Thank you to the New Jersey Oddities presented by... Dark Side, New Jersey. Our buddy, Joe, thanks for having us, man. This was awesome. A lot of fun. I feel like we learn. We're the learners, dude. What did you learn today?

I learned. Here's some things I learned. BDSM people seem like they're pretty cool. And I would like to get involved in it, but not in the act. I just want to be in the room. I just want to maybe pay a ticket, have an admission. There's a couple that knows what they're doing with it. I'll just hang to the side and be like, you guys do your thing.

I'm just kind of hanging out. I'm not doing anything nefarious. I'm not touching any bodies or anything. I'm just kind of observing. What? You don't want to just see what it looks like in real time? You have no curiosity. All right, that's our next step to break you a little more.

The curiosity. Like I'm a dog? You got to house break me? Yeah, I think so. You do not want to watch pdsm i want to do it one time i want to do it one time i just want to check you would be out of that room in no less than two minutes that's okay at least i was there for two minutes and i'll go and i'll say guys this is uh not my bag but i love what you're doing you both seem like great people

um i put my uh food on your guys uh room service i I'm going to head out. Thanks for having me. Just sitting there eating ribs. It's like... Well, the worst part is my stomach gurgles a lot. I imagine that would ruin the mood if you're just sitting there getting into it and you just feel like... Farting over there.

I'm just nervously like, I didn't have breakfast this morning. Sorry, I had to cut. Yeah, I know, dude. You had a monster and chicken bites from Wawa for breakfast. Sorry. It's the chicken bites. That's the hot girl diet, dude.

All right. Thanks, everyone, for listening. We'll talk to you next episode. Peace. Peace.