Mention It All - A Beador Divorce & Reunion Discourse Ft. Dave Quinn (RHOA Reunion)

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

Dylan is joined by author Dave Quinn, who’s fresh off of covering the Queen’s funeral (though sadly, no Bravolebs were in attendance). They discuss Mary Cosby’s puzzling charges being dropped, and Dave spills some tea about David Beador’s shocking divorce news. Then, they unpack the latest part of the RHOA reunion, where Marlo’s shortcomings are becoming more apparent, and it’s clear the group is lacking a central figure. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I am thrilled to be joined on this Monday afternoon by a good friend of mine and acclaimed writer and the author of Not All Diamonds and Rose. Please welcome back to the podcast, Dave Quinn. Hello. Hello, Dylan. How are you this morning?

I, is it morning for you? It's not morning for me. It's nighttime for me at this point. We were up very early. I slept like a baby knowing that I was going to miss the first few hours of Queen's funeral coverage, but I know that you were awake. Not even bright and early, dark and early. Dark and early.

Yeah, I've been covering it all. It's so funny. All of the major events that I've had to cover in my career that have to do with anything that's happened with the monarchy always ends up being in like the dead of nights. Like I think about the weddings and now this funeral, so it's exhausting. It's really rude of them to not take North American time into consideration. Can't you just do your events in the afternoon and then we could, you know, do a little breakfast moment while you're watching?

I mean, let's talk about it. That's exactly the sort of change I need to see from King Charles. I was a little disappointed not to see any Bravo Lebrides getting in. an invite to the state funeral. I mean, I don't know who I really expected to be there, but we, Sandra O. and Bear Grills were about the best we could do. I am truly surprised Durinda didn't find a way in. I feel like she like knows a lot of the parties at hand, and I could have seen Durinda be there. And I'm also surprised that so, like, don't you expect Sonia to be there? I mean, in my, in my fantasy world, I expect Sonia to be there, like, you know, sharing a tender

moment with Camilla or something, but like in the real world, knowing what I know about Sonia's standing in that world, which I think is kind of non-existent at this point. Like, it was a pretty, there weren't very many celebrities or people like that at the funeral. It really was a pretty like you're a royalty or a government figure and that's how you're getting invited. Right. It was simple and long and lots of choir boys singing songs that just endlessly felt like I was never going to get escape from. Yeah, those Church of England services aren't very rowdy. It reminds me when I was in high school, we went on a beautiful pilgrimage to Rome. I went to a Catholic school. And we were there for Holy Week. And we went for four days, we had Mass with the Pope, private masses with the Pope. It was incredible. And this is OG Pope. This is John Paul, too. This is like good Pope. You know what I mean? famously the first pope, John Paul the second.

Exactly. The only pope that I ever knew before. And I fell asleep in almost every one of those. They were like four hour masses in a variety of languages. It's just at a certain point, these long traditions, you just end up being snoozy. So I was on snooze watch. I was trying to figure out who was going to doze off first. Well, speaking of going and hearing church people sing, this is going to be a nice little

segue into our first topic. Just you wait. When I was like nine years old, we went on a family vacation to Yellowstone and we started the trip in Salt Lake City. And we flew into Salt Lake City, rented a car, drove the whole rest of the trip. But we were in Salt Lake City for like half a day. And the only like tourist thing we did in Salt Lake City with my parents, myself and my sister, we did a tour of the temple, the LDS temple. Obviously, we couldn't go inside the temple because that's a privileged thing,

but we did a tour of like the complex and included in that was like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They weren't there. They were like busy. They were on tour or something. But we like went in the venue and watched like a full video of one of their concerts.

And it's like, why did we do that? Oh my goodness. That sounds exhausting. Hard pass on that. But I do hope that the Mormon Tabernacle Choir makes an appearance on season three of Real House versus All they see. Don't you think it's about time? They can perform at someone's party. Well, at this point, I don't know that anybody in the cast is in terribly good standing with the LPS church. We see that Heather wants to be like formal, or is it Whitney wants to be like formally excommunicated this season? Like there's there's a lot going on. And I don't know if any of them are really like friends of the church right now. I know. And yeah, I think we've lost it, I suppose. But who knows, maybe there'll be a new housewife who will join who will have those connections.

Perhaps. But going back to somebody who is no longer a housewife in Salt Lake City, one, Mary Cosby, there was some news that was positive for her today that her charges were getting dropped for when she was charged with unlawfully providing shelter to who. a runaway and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The Salt Lake City Assistant Prosecutor said that there were evidentiary concerns. And Mary took to social media to celebrate her victory saying, I don't live my life to please people. I live my life to please God. And to the people who are committed believing lies. Kisses. I'm trying to read this caption among the emojis and the probable typos. Like, I'm trying to convey it. And I don't know if I'm conveying her exact meaning, but I also don't know if she knows exactly what she means when she types. Yeah, I mean, I think that you did a great job. It is, you have to kind of be a detective sometimes

with a good housewife post, especially one from Mary Cosby with the amount of emojis. But I think, you know, she seems very happy by this. She said originally through her lawyer that this entire thing was a misunderstanding to begin with. It is kind of kind of confusing what exactly went down. But I'm glad that she was vindicated. Yeah. And it's funny because for the whole time that Mary Cosby has been in the public eye, there's been so much conversation about her church and the potential alleged abuse that might have happened there, cult-like stuff, Mary being kind of the leader figure of this sort of seedy church scene. And these charges had nothing to do with that. So I think it was a little, it was a little strange as a viewer when it was

like, oh, I assumed she was going to go to jail, but like for this for this other thing. And then it was like, oh, I don't know about these charges. So these ones, maybe there will be something else coming down the pike. Listen, I mean, when it comes to Housewives of Salt Lake City and legal charges, we're now one for two. So she got out, Jen Shaw, not as lucky. Mary, how much do you want to bet that like this morning, Mary, was like, damn, if I was only back on that show right now, if Jen could see me now. Oh, my goodness. You know, it's, it's, I, I bet she was like that. And I, I am saying this to you earlier, because I was, I feel like a little, I forgot that Mary's not going to be a part of

this season. And I'm really going to miss her. Like, I knew that she had left, but she's one of those houseways exits. I wish I could write another, a sequel to the book, because she's one of these housewives sizes, I still don't really understand why she left, why she didn't show to the reunion, what the conversations were like behind the scenes. I'm so interested. Right. And she was one of those housewives where, of course, there are problematic sides of her. There are, there's toxicity there, potential legal issues as we've seen and as we've all, you know, seen lots of Reddit threads about. But she was a really important piece of the puzzle for these last two seasons within the cast and seeing when they dropped the cast photo for this season

that it's really just those five OGs and that none of the new women even made it to full-time status. It's like, oh, damn, this is, it does feel like it's going to be necessarily kind of a new phase of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City just because the, the crew has changed and we don't have all our OGs anymore. Right. It's a totally different world now. We have two angies. With two angies. I'm confused already. I'm going to really have a hard time with the Angie thing.

I'm not going to lie. Well, yeah, it's like the two angies don't look anything alike. But then one of the angies and the other new friend of Dana kind of have like a similar look, you know, both like kind of brunette women. I don't know. Like I just feel like I'm curious to see once we get into the season whether any of these women are really going to pop on the show or whether it's kind of just like, oh yeah, they were clearly. filming for a while and then just kind of fizzled out. Like what happened with Angie, Angie won last season. Right. Yeah, where she disappeared, but she's back again. Yeah, we don't see that very often, where it's like you get the, you're filming,

maybe you're being tested to be a housewife, but then it fizzles out. You don't go on the main cast trip. You don't get invited to the reunion. And then the next season, they're like, I guess we could try her again. I know. It is kind of wild that that actually went down. Again, there's so much in Salt Lake City that I'm interested in unpacking. I really need a book, too, but I think we still need to wait a little bit, a couple more years to get into it. But I'm dying to know what that story was. And I can't think of, I think through my history of doing this, if there was ever, if there was never another person who was kind of like considered, tested, filmed, and then boomeranged in that way, I don't think there was. I mean, there were lots of women who had been considered and never made the cut however many times they auditioned and then eventually got on the show.

But yeah, she may be the only one. Though I am one of the minority who was hoping that Tracy Johnson got another chance because I thought she'd be a great housewife. I don't know specifically about Tracy. I didn't feel any strong connection toward her. But I do think with Jersey the last couple seasons, they were kind of in this rut where they weren't finding the right people to join the cast. clearly. After they had found that solid group in season nine, I think it was, they really, nobody else clicked for the next few seasons. We had Michelle, the realtor, come in, she was a flop. Tracy really couldn't get her, you know, onto a foothold. And it almost does feel like we might be

in that mode a little bit with Salt Lake City now where, you know, last season they brought Jenny on. And, you know, however you feel about Jenny's performance during the season, it was untenable for them to keep her on the show. And then you have this season three women who I can't imagine they weren't at least considering some of those women to be housewives. And clearly none of them really did what they needed to do or fit into the group dynamic enough to really secure that spot. So it does, it always makes me nervous from a casting and long. longevity perspective when it feels like they're trying and just not finding the right people because like maybe this season will still be amazing. But then a year from now, Jen's in prison, potentially. Who knows what's going to happen with the rest of this group? And it's like,

if you can't find anybody to add, all of a sudden you're going to be in, you know, deep shit. Yeah. I mean, it is difficult to bring a new person onto an established housewife show, period. And I think the issue is that so many people only view it now looking at Beverly Hills and the Star Trek. You know, like what celebrities do they want on these shows? Whereas I think you and I, I assume you might agree with me that the best housewives are the ones that you don't know before. The Shannon Badoors, the Margaret Josephs, the like, where have these women been? A lot of them and a lot of times with Tracy especially, Tracy filmed all season as a full-time housewife. They filmed all of her, you know, home storylines.

and lots of scenes by herself and then decided kind of really at the last minute that they were going to downgrade her. And I think that, you know, you imagine how much story is kept out of there. So the viewer's experience is like, well, she couldn't really find her footing. But I think that we just never got a chance to see it. Personally, on paper, I can't imagine that like Tiki Barber's wife. It was shocking to me that that didn't actually land. But yeah, I mean, I think they have to keep fighting to find the right people. and it's really difficult to fit into a group, have a voice, and not feel like your, you know, be confrontational and not feel like many people will say, what are you, what are you getting involved in this? You know, like, it's hard to do all of that. I'm interested to see how Salt Lake City makes it work this season.

Yeah. And speaking of Beverly Hills, the last time they really found someone like that was Sutton. And the same thing happened her first season where she filmed all season as a housewife and then for, you know, reasons that were. out of her control at the last minute. It didn't work out. And that it happened with her, too, that she had filmed with her kids, had these scenes at home. And all of a sudden, that whole side of her was just chopped off. And I think that first season, a lot of people had tough reactions to Sutton because they were only seeing her in these group dynamics. And as we've seen in the last few seasons, she's not always the best when she's pushed up in a corner. You know, she could be somebody that is a little hard to love at times

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Sprite is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. While we're talking about this idea of Housewives moving from various roles to full-time, it kind of brings us into Atlanta because I'm so curious what you think this year about Marlowe as a full-time housewife. Somebody who had been confrontational, always was used to kind of stir the pot. And now we saw her home life this season to do. diminishing effects, I think. Yeah, I think it's a little bit tricky because I still really enjoy Marlowe a lot of the time. I think her read game is always entertaining.

I do think her issues with Kenya are a longstanding thread on this show that I am glad we've gotten to follow for a long time because I think that is something that builds strong franchises. but I do think in terms of what she was showing us about her private life this season, it didn't really do anything for her. And if anything, it made her kind of harder to enjoy on that kind of surface like, oh, Marlowe's so messy, Marla's so shady. She comes around and she, you know, will, you know, read Kenya down.

Like that side of things lost a little bit of its luster when you're seeing the home life. And I think that, I mean, the situation with Michael and William, there's just no real way to set aside the fucked upness of how that went down. And even Andy, I think on this part of the reunion, you could see that he's trying, I think Andy tries for better or for worse, a lot of the time to stay as neutral as possible. And in that moment, he was just like, look, hearing you talk about what you went through as a kid, now being a parent, that really resonates with me, because I would never want that. So then watching you send these two boys who have been entrusted in your care,

potentially down a similar path, there's just no real way to reconcile that. And I think at the end of the season, that's kind of what we're left with, that it's like, well, if there's no way for you to ever get along with Kenya again, and we're not loving you on a personal level,

it is kind of like, what do we do about that? Yeah, I think that what I can see with Marlowe is that she's somebody who for years wanted to be a housewife came and recognized that the only way that she was going to get camera time is if she was messy and angry and started fights and futes. The fans really rallied behind her to give her this full-time position. The network, you know, agreed, gave her the shot. And I don't think she recognized that doing housewives as a full-time housewife is much more of a marathon than it is.

a sprint. You have to paste things out a little bit longer and that this show is really all about reconciliation and conflict and finding ways to move forward. You can see her carrying all the baggage of years and years and years of, you know, when she says, I feel like I was not wanted. It's really about the show. It's about the dynamics of the group. It's feeling like none of these women wanted her. But at the same time, how could they want you if all you were doing is saying horrible things at fighting with everyone all the time and throwing them under the bus. Right. And like when they had, when Marlowe was saying, Andy asked where her issues with Kenya started and she was like, well, she's never, she's never really liked me. The only time she ever

kind of allowed me that grace or forgave me for anything was when she didn't want me to be getting along with Portia. And it's funny to hear Porsche's name brought up in such a, really a throwaway capacity because it's also not about Porsche. It's about the show and the group dynamics and the numbers game. At the end of the day, these women have been on this show for a long time. And even if Kenya didn't, you know, Kenya doesn't care who's friends with Porsche. She cares about who's going to have her back on the show. And so I think what we're seeing with Marlowe is that maybe there have been some ups and downs in the past. But when it really push comes to shove, Kenya doesn't feel like Marlowe is ever going to be that person for her.

And so she's never going to, it's not in her best interest to ever really let her in in a more meaningful way. Yeah, of course. And, you know, you have to be able to work towards that. And Kenya's never going to allow that person there because she doesn't see the end reason for it. What does she get a gain from that? I don't think that Marlowe is really genuine in her feelings of wanting to fix it. because the truth is the second it gets on good terms,

she knows that the next filming, if she needs to make drama, she'll say something negative towards Kenya. And Kenya is smart enough to see that. Yeah, and something that I think I appreciated about this season sort of as a reset from last year was that overall in the group, there's much less toxicity, there's much less kind of hard lines of people who just don't get along. And last season, we saw, obviously,

there was stuff with Marlowe, Porsche, left on pretty bad terms with a lot of people, even going back the year before when Nini left on pretty bad terms. This year, looking at this reunion, Marlowe is the only one who really has these high-level fundamental issues with one or more people in the cast. If you look at Drew and Sonia, of course, they're bickering, they're arguing, but it doesn't feel that deep. It feels like they're having these disagreements and part of it, maybe it's a storyline, maybe they just aren't each other's type of people. But there's no kind of, there's no darkness there. And I think even with Kenya, we talk about this season how she had kind of a lighter energy. And I think it's noteworthy

that Marlowe is kind of the only person on that couch who is leaving this reunion not in a good place with most of the cast. Yeah. And I thought it was really interesting that Kenya, and to some extent, Candy seemed to call Marlowe out on this fact that there, There's a huge portion of her life and her past that she has never accounted for. And I thought it was, you know, I was very touched by what she was talking about, about the experience of growing up in foster care and how difficult that was for her, both at the end of last reunion and the beginning of this reunion. But, you know, when Kenya brings it up, it's such a good point.

It's like there is this person who we have known tangentially for season and season and season, boasting about her riches and men who we've been aware has a crazy. arrest record and has never spoken at all about how she overcame that, what happened to her at the time. And I almost wanted this season, maybe it'll be the path for next season. I almost wanted some Danielle Stalb book energy around this. You know, like I almost wanted Caroline and Jacqueline and Dina like researching and trying. You know, I wanted that sort of like, what's the truth about her past because I feel I don't know another housewife who's been on the show even in a guest role as long as she has who I literally know nothing about her past.

Right. And when we haven't heard about it for so long and then it seems to be used as kind of a deflection or as Kenya says, damage control about the stuff that we've seen this season, not, I don't think it subtracts at all from the reality and the, you know, terrible nature of stuff that Marlowe has gone through. But there is, it matters when we bring things up, the context in which we bring things up, and the way that we're potentially manipulating other people with us saying these harsh things about ourselves. And I think with Marlowe, it's hard because I want, I want to have that space where we can really, you know, come around her.

and, you know, uplift her and value the experiences that she's gone through. But it's hard when it feels like we're only really getting it in a transactional way because she knows she needs to come up with something. And when Kenya says it's called damage control and Marlow's responses, it's called evil bitch. It's like, I don't think Kenya is being evil here. I don't think Kenya is being like the nicest, warmest person to Marlowe. But I don't, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who. really thinks that Kenya is being that awful in this situation. It's like, there have been times

where I would say Kenya is called evil bitch, but like, it's not today. No, it's not at all. And, you know, she brought up such a good point. And so did Candy. What I liked about this reunion is it felt like the fourth wall was really kind of pulled back a lot in this case. And Candy brought it up when she said that Marla was doing that thing where they prep before the reunion. And people tell them, you should say this and you should say this. Now, that is something that I'm very well aware. Most housewives do. I wouldn't be surprised if Candy does it to some extent. I think the difference is that Candy isn't somebody who's really swayed by other people telling her what to say, where I think other housewives, and I can name a few, really need that strategy to help them see

how to move and maneuver through. Well, and I think Candy is somebody who I'm sure, whether it's coming from her organically or whether it's somebody that she's working with, I think she is good at seeing how the season plays out and identifying the right things to kind of call out and comment on. And she kind of has that producer brain, not in a messy way, but in a way where it's kind of like a professionalism, where she knows the right things to say, the right things to do, and doesn't really get caught in things. Whereas I think Marlowe, it's like maybe she has gone over with.

with somebody like some reads that she can do or that she should get into her personal story to kind of offset some of the stuff that's happening. But it doesn't really feel like there's kind of like a larger strategy at play. And I think that's why you see Candy's been on this show. If she sticks around for season 15 as she's teased, she will be the longest running full-time housewife ever. And the way that she has in large part stayed out of mess over that. tenure, but has never really been on the chopping block, it's not by accident. And it's not

an easy thing to do thinking about how much mess has gone down on Atlanta in the time that she's been on the show. Yeah. No, I mean, she's incredible. And I think it's well deserved because she's very smart about how she moved over. She reveals a lot about her life. I know, I feel like, and you may agree, know a lot about her family life, her relationship with Todd, her relationship with her daughter, her stepdaughter, her mother. That's all been revealed. I know what's happening in her career. She seems to be a good friend to everybody, but never really causing massive fallouts,

confronts people when necessary. I mean, it really is a masterful performance in a lot of ways. Yeah, we know about the stuff with Riley's father. It does feel like she's not somebody who necessarily is coming on and is bringing us all the baggage at one time. but the fact that she's been on the show for such a long time and really has opened up about different things here and there, you don't get the sense that there's really skeletons in the closet. And that's why that's why the whole like she sucked dick in a locker room thing kind of to me falls flat a little bit. Like it's a funny soundbite.

Like obviously it's entertaining to hear like, well, she sucked dick everywhere. So of course she sucked dick in a locker room. But like you don't really feel like there's some big dark sea. that's coming around the corner for candy. No. But how do we still not know who wrote that? Oh, my God. Is there not like a, is there not a third camera angle where they can see when the ladies were

like writing out on the pieces of paper? Come on. Can we get some handwriting analysis? Like, I know. I mean, the producers were airing everybody's receipts this season. As noted at this reunion, they held everyone, uh, to the fire. So I was surprised that. this just got away from everyone that we didn't confront it.

Especially, you remember Andy, like, T's in and watch what happens live. He was like, we're going to get to the bottom of this at the reunion. We never did. Right. It's like, I don't, it's not even like something like SnakeGate that happened a couple seasons ago where like, maybe we don't know 100% of all the details, but we kind of know who, who's in the direction to point the finger at. Like, on this, it's like, there's only six of them and nobody is, nobody is saying anything.

So it's like, okay, like I guess we're just never going to know. And I guess Candy's not really that upset about it. So it doesn't feel like it's this dark cloud hanging over the group five. But it is kind of like, this is the reunion. Like, we're supposed to get the tea. I know. And I just wanted to find out so that candy could have turned and said, You said that?

I was like praying that that's what we got. Bitch, I suck dick worldwide. No, that's a T-shirt I will buy. Put that on. Okay, maybe we can put that in the Petsch's merch store. I'll have to get that one approved. I do enjoy watching Drew Sadoras performances because I think she is somebody who kind of falls in the middle of like a candy and a Marlowe that it doesn't necessarily

feel like we're getting the full picture of everything that's going on. in her personal life. But I do really appreciate that we are seeing how messy things are. And I don't really, I feel like when she does make excuses, she kind of knows that you're seeing through it. And I love watching her squirm. Like it just, oh, it's so perfect. Her saying, when they're asking about Ralph being on playing football in college, and her

opening response to that is just, well, he's an athlete. You can tell. Just look at him. And it's like, Drew. Drew, please. You had months to prepare for this. That's what you ended up with. Yeah. She needed a better coach. I completely agree with you. I mean, my issue with Drew has always been, I am the biggest Drew Sodorra fan as an actress. I've seen Step Up a million times. I think she's incredible

in it. I was so disappointed because I feel like she's so hanging on to that acting that she can't let go of playing a role and she's trying so hard to script this narrative and it's just been difficult. But I am glad that I stuck it out with her. I think that this was a better season. She's growing and I think by next season, I think she'll really be giving us something that will be fun to watch. I think she will lose it. You know what I mean? Lose the control of her character is what I mean. Like just be natural. And I think Andy has said this that what he always tells people is that if you come on the show, the longer you stay on the show, if you have skeletons in the closet, they're going to come out sooner or later. And with Drew, it's like,

we don't quite know if there are skeletons in the closet, but at the very least, the closet is dirty. Like, there's, the closet needs to be swept. And I feel like it does feel with the amount of questionable things that we've seen about her marriage with Ralph and her business ventures, seeming kind of mysterious slash made up, it does feel like there's got to be some climax to these storylines if she stays on the show long enough. And like, I don't think she's going anywhere if she has anything to say about it. No, I don't think she is either.

But boy, boy, boy, did she fall flat with this whole Anthony thing. I mean, she felt so proud of herself sitting there playing that voicemail from him, that voice memo or whatever that was. And then the second Chiray got him on the phone, it was like, I mean, I would be, I would crawl under a rock if that happened to me. Right. There is a certain art to like,

you can't just have the one receipt and then rest on your laurels for a year until the reunion. Like, you have to do a little bit of witness prep. Like, sure, whatever happened between this season and between this reunion, in, I don't know if Shiree finally found a way to make a payment to Anthony or if there was just a nice conversation. I don't know. I'm not alleging anything.

But it's like, whatever happened when the moment came, Shiree got him on FaceTime and he said exactly what she wanted him to say. And so it's like, Drew, like this voicemail, we don't know when it's from. We don't know the context. Whereas we've got Anthony literally on FaceTime. saying everything to corroborate Shire's side of the story. It's not, it did fall flat. Yeah, she

lost the witness for sure. And I have never seen Andy Cohen less interested in giving somebody a platform at a reunion. He was like, okay, we're done with you. You said everything you need to say. Like, he did not want to entertain the Anthony of it all, period. He was over it. I don't think they even showed his face on the

FaceTime, which to me, that's like the ultimate, that's the ultimate, like, you're not getting anything out of this. It's like, okay, so we'll leave this in because it feels relevant to the storyline, but we're not even showing one little flash of your face on the screen. I know. He really got the short end of the stick there, but that's what you get for trying to be a mess. At least they didn't, like, invite him to the reunion and not use him a la Tracy Johnson again.

Oh, my God, poor Tracy. I feel bad that she's the punching bag in that sense, because there's certainly been other people who had like no time on the show who at least showed a little bit of. I think of, you know, what's her name from Potomac last season? We saw her for like 10 seconds. Oh, Eskala. Yeah. Scala, who I love. I thought she was going to be back this year. I was surprised when she got shut out completely because she seemed, she got in the mix a little bit. You know, she was fun. Yeah, well, I think you will see her this next season, but just not in a formal capacity. Okay. I am, what do you think about Monietta, I guess not, I don't know if she wasn't invited to the reunion or any thoughts about that? Do you, are you?

It's so strange to me as well. This is what I don't, I didn't really understand. She didn't seem to be a full-time friend of. So I guess she was just a recurring guest. Somebody they were likely scouting for a full-time housewife and decided at a certain point that they needed to cut back on. But she seemed to still have so much. connections with these women, I'm Santa sad that she wasn't around. Yeah, it always is an interesting dynamic when you can tell that somebody is genuinely a friend of the women, but doesn't click in the way that they really need a friend of too, that it's like sometimes you, somebody not getting screen time or not getting asked back or to the reunion or anything like that, it's not a reflection. You could be besties with these women off camera. You could be in the group chat. You could be whatever.

But like at a certain point, the producers are like, I think we're good on her. And sorry, Candy, your friend doesn't get to come to the events anymore. Yeah. And they really do, by the way, for those listening, like on the back end, they get told they can't come. A lot of times, Housewives will want to bring friends that there's along and producers will say, no, we don't need them there. We don't need them there because they don't want to have to shoot around them. them all the time. So that happens a lot. Right. And that when when people do kind of pop back up and make cameos, that's not just like an accident. Yes, it's not an accident. It's always planned in some

capacity. But it's funny because I think that she's somebody who obviously had potential. I just wish, I don't know, it's like I didn't want the show to fall back into its previous habits. Remember there was that one season, maybe even last, where there was like five housewives and five friends of. And it was like, it was last season because we only had five full-time housewives, but then we had, Latoya was coming around, Marlowe was still there, Tanya was there at the beginning of the season, Shamiya was still lurking in the corner. And it was just, it's, even if these women are great on their own or have, you know, one standout moment, oh, and then they brought on Fallon at a certain point in the season, it's just, it's,

it's too many bodies to keep track of and too many people to be invested in. And I think that's going to be an interesting thing following up this season of Beverly Hills. It's similarly a cast of 10 when you have Kathy and Cherie. And it's like, I don't think that that is a sustainable situation. And it'll be very, very curious to see kind of which way the wind blows in terms of them making some trims here and there. Well, what do you think about Atlanta? I mean, everyone is rumored to have been asked back next season. Are there some that you think should stay, some you think should go?

I actually feel like this is a season where I don't think anybody needs to be fired. I don't, I don't think, obviously I think Marlowe is the one who kind of has had the most chatter around in terms of like, oh, she is full time and it was a flop season and she didn't deliver what we wanted her to. And I think that's definitely accurate in a way. but also I think I think you have to value these women that have been around for a long time and have these real connections with the other women, whether they're positive or negative or what have you.

But I think Marlowe does, is valuable to the group just in that she is a legitimately a member of this group. And I think what we were talking about earlier in the show, when you bring in these new women, they have, it's, you know, there's so much potential. It could be amazing. You could cast somebody new and they're an iconic housewife and they're a fan favorite and all of this stuff. But also you could put, you could invest so much time and effort into casting new people. And then just for whatever

reason, they don't click. And then if you've fired two other people, you're really left back at square of zero. And I think, I don't think this season was rough enough. to really merit any kind of shakeup. I would love for them to, you know, experiment with a couple of new people, but I really don't think they need to go to the drawing board after this season, really, at all. Yeah, I feel the same way, though I'm still, like, I think as longtime viewers of the show, we're missing, maybe not her, but we're missing the energy of a Nini, the energy of a Portia, the energy of a Fedra. And I really, I don't necessarily think any of those women should come back, but I really want them to find somebody in Atlanta who has that energy.

Think of someone like Quad, right? Somebody from Married to Medicine, who, you know, or maybe even any of those Married to Medicine women who normally you wouldn't imagine in the spotlight, those sorts of personalities I would love to see introduced into this group rather than finding another Drew or, you know, Asanya or anybody else who has a spot, a career already in the spot. spotlight. Yeah. And I think what you, those three people that you just named, one thing that they all have in common is that they were really good at providing commentary on what was happening on the show, whether it was on their own scenes or on somebody else's scenes or being shady or just being funny. All three of them could get in that confessional chair and really just lay it down. And I think

we still have, it's not like the people that are on the show currently are, you know, non-factors when it comes to that type of thing. But I don't think you have that kind of one person that is always hitting the slam dunks in the confessional chair. Like, I think even looking at like a Bethany or a jazz, half the cast of Potomac. I mean, you're kind of missing that, that big personality that's really going to just tell it like it is. And I think you're right that like somebody like quad is that kind of person where like whatever she's saying, I might disagree with her, but she's probably going to make me laugh, and I'm probably going to be glad that she's there to give her take.

Right, exactly. And even, like, I think of Chanel-A-on from Dubai, like, just that sort of, like, irresistible charisma. That's what I'm missing in this show, just somebody who has that, like, where have you been all my life? Right. And, like, when Kenya's in her love and light era, it's like, we're struggling a little bit. We need a little more material.

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Well, I can give you some tea about this. I mean, why not? Shannon was in the middle of filming when she found out. God, this is nothing. Nothing I like to hear. I know. It's great. hear more than that.

They were at an all-cast event. So not only were you to get Shannon's reaction, where you get Heather's and Tamara's and everybody at the same time, I'm really excited to see how this all plays out. But yeah, I was shocked. I mean, this is the woman who David started dating really months after the split. I think they split in September, and he went public with their relationship in January.

They were together for, I think they're five years together, but only 23 months married. So they have a lot in there. Now, I do know that there has been, from what I've heard, some strained relationships between Leslie and his daughters that may have kind of aided in this. I'd be interested to see if that resolves itself now that Leslie may not be in the picture anymore,

but, who, I mean, this is a divorce. It's been interesting to see the last couple seasons on O.C., Shannon's daughters have been much more active participation. participants in the show. So that could be potentially a really interesting storyline to follow on next season. And I'm definitely excited to see Shannon's reaction. I know. I mean, she tried. She sent that baby gifts. I think she did the right thing by trying to mend fences with Leslie. But, you know, I think they've never even met. Well, like, I mean, you would know better than me, but I definitely think last time it was brought up on the show, it was basically no contact ever.

I don't think that was wild. I mean, listen, I don't wish anybody, listen, relationships, breakups, those things are all really difficult and hopefully they can both find peace. There's a kid involved and everything. But I'd be interested to see what's really happening because my impression watching what went down was, yeah, there's things about Shannon that's kind of, she's kind of a pain in the ass in that marriage with David. Like you could see that and be like, you're kind of annoying. But it really felt like David had a total midlife. crisis. It really felt like, you know, he got really very involved in fitness. And then he was like gaslighting her and the whole like, I'm fine, but not touching her. Like all that sort of weird

behavior. It felt like he wanted out of that marriage. And now the grass ain't greener. So I don't think he's going to come back to Shannon. But I do think this is somebody who needs to still address the issues, probably what drove him to this little midlife, re-life in the first place. The grass ain't greener or being naked in the woods with somebody else isn't greener. Listen, at least they gave us that. I will forever, how disgusting it is, will forever appreciate that bit of nonsense. Yeah, thanks for the memories, David and Leslie. And Dave, thank you so much for stopping by.

Always a pleasure. Everybody go by Dave's book, Not All Diamonds and Rose. If you're listening to this podcast, it's clearly a must read for you. But Dave, thank you so much. Thanks so much, Dylan. I can't wait to see you soon. I will love to see you soon. Thank you so much everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mentioned All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmacat. Editing by Horpeau. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram. and Twitter.

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